EXPANDED Podcast Ep. 350

Title: Conscious Motherhood & Entering the Void of a New Identity – The Process with Emma
Date: April 11, 2025
Guests: Emma (TBM Pathway Member)
Hosts: Lacy Phillips & Jessica Gill

Overview

This episode centers around Emma's transition into motherhood as a spiritual, personal, and identity-shifting journey. The conversation explores the liminal “void” that follows profound life transformation (in this case, becoming a mother), the tension between personal authenticity and societal/online expectations, and how spiritual, psychological, and energetic tools (like astrology, human design, and the TBM process) support evolving identity and manifestation. Listeners are taken through Emma’s deeply honest reflection on integration, loss and rediscovery of self, and navigating both “real life” demands and spiritual growth.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Emma’s Astrological & Early Conditioning Journey

• Astrology as Permission
  • Emma: Sagittarius Sun & Moon, Taurus Rising, Mars, Mercury, Venus, North Node in Sagittarius.
  • Astrology clarified that being “too much” is simply who she is, not a flaw, offering liberation from childhood messages to "tone it down."
  • [05:55] “I’m not wrong, this is actually who I came here to be. It was very liberating and was a huge piece in my journey of healing and reconnecting to my authentic self.” – Emma
• Rebellion vs. Performance
  • The duality of wanting to be accepted/socialized and needing to express her authentic, rebellious truth.
  • Emma became a performer to fit in, but resented it: [07:58] “I was always looking at them, knowing they were looking at me as if I was a little bit too much to handle.” – Emma

2. Cycle Breaking & Parenting Consciousness

• Parenting from New Awareness
  • Emma is conscious not to limit her son’s “bigness” as was done to her, especially aware of generational impacts.
  • She references using astrology and Human Design to parent intentionally: her son is a Taurus Sun, Sag Moon/Rising, similar to Emma.
  • [10:49] “I carry the belief that our generation, we are like the cycle breakers. We are here doing so much healing for our ancestors and just karmically… not only for our own soul, but for our mothers and their mothers…” – Emma
• Generational compassion: Her mother regrets suppressing Emma’s energy, Emma’s grandma gave her mother "How to Raise a Spirited Child."

3. From Athletic Identity to Spiritual and Maternal Identity

• Sports as Outlet & Trap
  • As a multi-sport athlete (field hockey, ice hockey, lacrosse), competition and physicality gave Emma a container for her fire, but also tied her worth to performance and body.
  • [15:41] “I’m Emma and I’m an athlete. I’m Emma and I’m fit and I’m strong. And that definitely fed the box that I had myself in.” – Emma
• Recovery & Resiliency Postpartum
  • Emma faced starting from scratch physically after giving birth: “This is the first time in my entire life I’ve ever had to get in shape and feel like I’m starting from scratch.”
• Healing Relationships with Movement
  • Spiritual awakening led her to reframe movement from punishment/discipline to nourishment and intuition (inspired by Melissa Wood Health, cycle syncing, holistic wellness).

4. Motherhood, Surrender, and the Portal of Identity Loss/Rebuilding

• Pregnancy & Birth as Soul Initiation
  • Emma’s planned home birth became a difficult pregnancy ending in a C-section:
  • [40:49] “You’re not given the pregnancy or birth that you want. You’re given the one that you need. On a soul level…it’s an initiation.”
• Physical & Emotional Toll
  • Severe pregnancy symptoms, nerve pain, and postpartum anxiety/depression.
  • Emma notes the compounded pressure: lack of rest/recovery culture, needing to work before she felt ready, and the broader societal disregard for the needs of mothers.
  • [45:03] “If women were given the ability to just focus on that, it’s not just the mom and the baby and the family unit would benefit. The world in general would benefit.”
• Entering the ‘Void’ of Not Knowing
  • Transitioning from “old self” and not yet being the “next self”—a liminal space full of discomfort, confusion, and inner void.
  • [48:27] “Stillness is so incredibly hard, especially for someone like myself… When it comes to myself, I think I struggle with the void. I really struggle with the in between.” – Emma

5. Spiritual Tools as Anchors, But Not Panaceas

• Pushing Back on Over-Curation and Online Wellness
  • Emma describes how journaling, meditation, and other tools that once felt authentic began to feel performative or forced due to online trends, leading her to rebel against her own healing practices.
  • [28:29] “…All the things that I plucked and implemented into my life out of love, I was seeing reflected back to me in the aesthetic ‘you should do this’…It made me recoil.”
• Recalibrating Intentions
  • Lacy and Emma discuss the importance of acting from alignment, not force or expectation.

6. Manifestation in the Liminal Space: Breadcrumbs, Pings, and Realignment

• Not Forcing Clarity or Action
  • Emma shares that following pings (intuitive nudges) isn’t always a linear road to “the answer”; sometimes it’s about the process, experimentation, and letting plans unfold imperfectly.
  • [53:01] “New realities started to emerge. Yes, new realities, but more so like just straight-up new timelines…I had to get to the place where I could close that down and be like, okay, so if I'm not that, then what am I? ...Because I made those decisions, this new me has emerged.”
• Internal Shifts Are Manifestations
  • Lacy reframes “manifestation” as an internal sense of clarity or embodiment, not just external achievements.
  • [56:20] “The sensation that feels in the body is the manifestation. That is the beauty of it all. That moment of clarity is the manifestation.”
• Devotion to Self vs. Discipline
  • Emma names devotion to self—loving, accepting, and nurturing through the process—as the guiding principle over forced discipline.

7. Vulnerability, Expression, and Permission in the Age of Social Media

• The Struggle and Necessity of Authenticity
  • Emma discusses the challenge of remaining vulnerable and authentic online amid trends toward curation, as well as her desire to serve as a “permission slip” for others to be real and imperfect.
  • [71:18] “I’ve just been looking for a permission slip… Maybe you are the permission slip…I’m here to facilitate the permission for others…to let life be a little messy sometimes…”
• Recurring Symbol: The Fool
  • Drawing the tarot Fool card repeatedly, Emma takes this as cosmic encouragement to begin anew, throw out rules, and embrace authentic “ignorance is bliss” exploration.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Astrological Permission
  • [05:55] “It was very liberating and was a huge piece in my journey of healing and reconnecting to my authentic self.” – Emma
• On ‘Cycle-Breaking’ Motherhood
  • [10:49] “We are like the cycle breakers. We are here doing so much healing for our ancestors and just karmically…” – Emma
• On the Paradoxes of Being Both ‘Too Much’ and Suppressing Self
  • [07:58] “I just always felt like this walking duality…” – Emma
• On Recovery & the Postpartum Void
  • [41:22] “My job is hard, but it unfolds for me with ease when I’m in alignment. If things aren’t unfolding with ease…that’s just not for you. But there is a lesson here…” – Emma
• On Surrender
  • [40:49] “You’re not given the pregnancy or birth that you want. You’re given the one you need. On a soul level.” – Emma
• On Permission and Authenticity Online
  • [71:18] “Maybe you are the permission slip… I’m here to facilitate the permission for others…to let life be a little messy sometimes.” – Emma
• On Manifestation in the Void
  • [56:20] “The sensation that feels in the body is the manifestation. That is the beauty of it all. That moment of clarity is the manifestation.” – Lacy Phillips
• On Truth & The Fool Card
  • [65:45] “This is my chance to start again. This is my chance to be ignorant to the noise out there.” – Emma

Timestamps for Important Segments

• Emma’s Astrology/Birth Chart, Impact on Self-Acceptance – [05:45]–[07:19]
• Cycle-Breaking, Parenting with Consciousness – [10:49]–[13:12]
• Athletic Identity, Eating Disorders, and Transition – [15:41]–[18:54]
• Healing Relationship to Fitness (and Online Tropes) – [18:54]–[28:29]
• Motherhood as Portal/Initiation, Birth Story – [40:49]–[45:03]
• Postpartum, Limbo/Void State, Returning/Redefining Self – [45:03]–[56:20]
• Manifestation, Pings, Internal Clarity as Guidance – [53:01]–[56:20]
• Permission Slips, Authenticity Online, Being "The Fool" – [65:45]–[71:18]
• Final Reflections, Where to Find Emma – [68:29]–[70:21]

Thematic Highlights

• Conscious motherhood requires relinquishing control and embracing liminality (“the void”) as a space of self-discovery.
• Spiritual, psychological, and even “woo” tools anchor (but do not exempt) one from discomfort, and ultimately must be reclaimed as personal and authentic rather than performative.
• Devotion to self—measured by loving, compassionate acceptance of one’s evolving identity and messy humanness—outweighs “discipline” and external compliance.
• Authentic vulnerability offers others permission to do the same, both online and in real life.
• Manifestation is embodied in reconnection with one’s own clarity, purpose, and presence—not in fixing or controlling the external.

Emma’s Closing Message

[68:29] “You’re gonna be able to not just learn from me, but witness me… and I think just witnessing me going through my life the way that I do is what makes my community feel seen… It’s not just like, I wake up every day and I’m the person I want to be. I really have to put in a lot of love and effort into loving myself and accepting myself…” – Emma

For More from Emma:

• Instagram (@emma’s handle not stated)
• The Real With podcast (Spotify, Apple)

Engage with the Episode:

• Leave comments on Spotify & YouTube to share what resonates or connect with Emma.

For Listeners Experiencing the Void or Seeking Refinding Self:

• Accept stillness; action may not be immediately clear.
• Use tools for aligned decisions, not forced progress.
• Allow yourself (and others) to be permission slips for authenticity, messiness, and change.

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