ExpANDED Podcast Ep. 380

"Taking a Leap of Faith and Learning Surrender: The Process with Jenna Zoe"

Host: Jessica Gill, To Be Magnetic™ (TBM)
Guest: Jenna Zoe, creator of My Human Design and the Align App
Date: November 7, 2025

Episode Overview

This episode explores the courage required to take a leap of faith and surrender to life’s unfolding—a process illuminated by Jenna Zoe’s deeply personal journey from food entrepreneur to Human Design leader. Host Jessica Gill and Jenna discuss reframing purpose, redefining success, and the intricacies of manifesting a life aligned with one’s authentic self. The episode moves through Jenna’s origin story, her transformation through TBM’s Money Challenge, evolving family dynamics, and practical approaches to living purposefully in the emerging "new paradigm".

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Real Meaning of Manifestation

• Jenna opens with the assertion that the truest manifestation is "becoming a person you love being and someone you're proud of" [00:00].
• It's not about material gain but about embodying inner fulfillment.

“What if I can really love being me? Because that's how I'm going to really love my life.”
— Jenna Zoe [00:00]

2. Jenna's Leap of Faith: From Catering to Human Design

Story begins: [09:29]

• Initial fears: Jenna describes leaving her food business, acknowledging both fear and relief at surrendering security for deeper fulfillment.
• Recognition that her true joy came from "depositing something in people" via Human Design readings, despite a lack of social acceptance for spirituality at the time [12:00–13:00].
• She grappled with letting go of her old identity and needing “proof” before making the leap.

“The entry price you pay is that you take the risk, even though no one guarantees you that it's gonna work out.”
— Jenna Zoe [13:26]

• Immediate momentum: Waitlist for readings rapidly grew, but new challenges of scaling and staying aligned arose [17:31–19:29].

3. Surrendering Control and Redefining Purpose

Discussion: [15:20–16:35]

• Surrender: Jenna recounts the necessity of detaching from expectations and letting "thy will be done," emphasizing service over outcome.
• Jessica notes the paradox of needing to be in service—not to get needs met, but because it’s the right path, and then abundance follows.
• Surrender as a continual practice—a theme echoed throughout the episode.

4. Refining Authenticity and Success

Key dialogue: [20:36–25:24]

• Jenna explores the disconnect between outward success (being recognized as a businesswoman) and inner fulfillment (creative expression, joy in her "code" of using words).
• Participation in TBM's Money Challenge led her to reevaluate what she actually wanted—not money for its own sake, but for experiences and abundance of feeling.
• Notable insight: The "template" for her dream life isn’t more, but deeper, richer presence, time, and love.

“What is it that I need to be happy? It's very clear...it's actually not about money. It's about that feeling of abundance.”
— Jenna Zoe [23:03]

5. Manifestation Work and Healing Family Patterns

Transformative family experience: [36:29–45:20]

• Jenna candidly shares doing the Money Challenge with her family—an unprecedented experience of connection, vulnerability, and real-time corrective healing.
• Past grief over family distance was unexpectedly followed by genuine closeness after her parents began solo spiritual journeys.
• The work enabled new, compassionate relationships, with Jenna highlighting the unexpectedness and profundity of this shift.

“The money challenge, the most important thing it gave me was like, real, proper feeling of like, a template for good connection and love that I didn't—I genuinely put it to bed.”
— Jenna Zoe [41:30]

• Jessica reflects: Sometimes, deep acceptance and doesn’t-need-anymore energy is what allows new love and repair to enter.

6. Letting Go of Pedestals and Embracing Your Path

Integration: [49:22–55:30]

• Discussion on how no one escapes human emotional challenges—including those idolized in media or the industry.
• The importance of tuning into your own cycles and joys, not society’s "templates" of success.
• Fulfillment is about recognizing and responding to what lights you up—not what looks good externally.

“I want myself to be free of heavy things that feel heavy to me. So, of course, therefore, I would want everyone else in the world to also be free of that too. But I can't believe that for everyone else if I don't believe it for myself.”
— Jenna Zoe [31:37]

7. “Eating the Space”: Mastering Discomfort & True Surrender

Current practice: [64:26–70:49]

• Jenna details a practice with her sister called "eating the space"—resisting the urge to fill every moment with distractions (digital, relational, or mental).
• The value in doing less and creating space for the Divine to enter—even when discomfort or FOMO arises.
• Most "downloads" and transformation come unpredictably from this cultivated emptiness, not forced effort.

“It's the hard work of overcoming yourself and your addictions and your mental addictions and your ego addictions all the time...but it's a doing-nothingness that is not…cosplaying as...spiritually manipulating.”
— Jenna Zoe [68:43]

8. Micro-Tweaks and Living Your Truth

• Discussion on the continual, granular refinement of personal and work life—noticing and releasing even the most subtle out-of-alignment roles and tasks [28:15–32:00].
• Purpose is a lived energy, not a job title or achievement. Success comes from devotion to the "assignment" you’re given, carried out with integrity and joy.

“Can you be okay with not needing to shout about what it is from the rooftops before you devote yourself to doing it?”
— Jenna Zoe [57:32]

9. Practices, Routines, and the Power of Consistency

Routine from Jenna: [74:53–78:31]

• Jenna shares she does a TBM Deep Imagining (DI) nearly daily—especially in the morning.
• Favorite DIs: Authentic Self, Unblocked, Self-Love, Blind Spot, Expand Your Aura [77:56].
• Recommends treating it as "non-negotiable," like morning coffee: frequency brings rewards.
• Flexibility and intuition guide which tools she uses each day.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If you take the risk of being more loving than you think is acceptable in any format, any dynamic, it does come back to you.”
  — Jenna Zoe [00:00], [41:30]

• “It is how we show up and the energy that we're putting out in the world, like, that's really it.”
  — Jessica Gill [55:30]

• “You're the practice ground for the humanity that you want to see.”
  — Jenna Zoe [31:46]

• “The ultimate manifestation is the feeling.”
  — Jenna Zoe [15:20]

Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:00 — Jenna on true manifestation: loving oneself
• 09:29–15:46 — Jenna’s journey taking the leap into Human Design
• 15:46–20:36 — Surrender, purpose, and detaching from outcomes
• 23:03–25:24 — Insights from the Money Challenge—abundance is a feeling
• 36:29–45:20 — Transformative family healing via manifestation work
• 49:22–55:30 — Universality of human emotional challenges and choosing your unique path
• 64:26–70:49 — “Eating the space”: practicing intentional stillness and letting inspiration arise organically
• 74:53–78:31 — Jenna’s tips for consistent self-work and favorite TBM DIs

Episode Highlights & Actionable Takeaways

• Taking a leap rarely means you'll have all the evidence or certainty you want—courage and surrender are prerequisites.
• True abundance is an inner state, not a quantity of possessions or achievements.
• Healing and expansion in family relationships often arise not through forced fixing, but by letting go and leading by example.
• Integration is a continual process: keep refining, releasing, and let your true codes (values, gifts, joys) lead you—not inherited scripts.
• Space and stillness are keys for receiving guidance and embodying a new paradigm—don’t fill every void with noise.
• Practice routine self-inquiry and subconscious reprogramming for ongoing support and alignment.

For further reflection:

• What micro-tweaks can you make to more fully enjoy your life?
• Where can you create or “eat” more space for the divine to enter?
• In what areas are you still waiting for external validation instead of validating your authentic path?

Explore the episode’s recommended Deep Imaginings via TBM’s playlist in the Daily Practice section.