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Good morning everybody. This is Michael Cymbalist. It's early July 2025, which means it's finally time for the launch of 20 year retrospective for 20 years of Eye on the Market, which some of you have been reading for a while. In 2005, we launched the Eye on the Market to share our views on markets, investments, economics, politics, science, energy and other topics with our clients to inform them what we were thinking and to give them an insight into how we were managing their money. And so now at the 20th anniversary of the Eye on the Market, I selected 30 of the more memorable topics for this retrospective out of 584 of them, and I tried to pick topics that are as relevant to the future as they were to the past. And in aggregate, they represent some of the most important lessons about investing that I've learned. Sorry for the wobbly camera in more than 35 years at JP Morgan. So this is going to be very brief podcast just to kind of share with you what some of the topics are. So starting in 2006 we began to warn about subprime and derivatives. And then in October 2008 we had a great piece on the benefit of government recapitalization of the US Banking system and why that was a bullish sign. In 2010 we had identified all the problems with the euro project because there were some really bizarre economics going on where northern and southern Europe kind of moved together like two geese until the euro was put in place and then all sorts of economic relationships blew up in Europe. And we did this exercise with Lego minifigs and countries beginning with the letter M and how they were more homogenous than the than the European Monetary Union. Anyway, you can take a look the Lego minifigure dioramas in there and this had real world consequences for returns. As as we all know now, the US crushed Europe in in equity market silver. Since we wrote that piece, pardon me, then we also have a piece from 2011 on how the world is often a pretty resilient place after wars and natural disasters. And it was a piece I wrote immediately after the Fukushima nuclear disaster and with also some interesting commentary on exactly what had happened and the human error that led to the failures at those nuclear reactors. Again, 2011 we had another really interesting piece. There was a it was a program on 60 Minutes where they, they had a real scare on municipal bond markets. If anybody remembers Meredith Whitney, she kind of was warning that the whole municipal bond market was going to collapse. And we went through all this analysis and showed why we disagreed with that. In the subsequent period, I think muni default rates have been like 0.1%. And then in November 2013, this probably was my favorite eye on the market. We took a closer look at the origins of the US housing crisis. And it's kind of remarkable where the facts lead you because they lead you to a very different place than the official government narrative about, about why the housing crisis happened. And there are some quotes in here that I pulled from some HUD reports, Housing and Urban Development, that in the years 2000, 2001 that make it very clear why that, why the housing prices occurred and what the catalysts were. You take a look at that. And then for investors, probably the most important section of all of them was a piece we wrote in April 2014 on bottom feeding and how equity markets generally bottom before just about everything else. We start in the Great Depression. And then we looked at various recessions over time, all the post war recessions and what were the sequence of events, right? Unemployment, credit card delinquencies, mortgage delinquencies, high yield delinquencies, PMI surveys, payrolls, industrial production and, and how quickly do equities bottom before all those other things start to get better. My favorite chart of all was from the global financial crisis when bank stocks bottomed in early 2009 when only 8% of all of the bank defaults had even happened at that point. So imagine putting yourself back at that point in time and being told, yup, the bottom and the banks the KBW index is in even though more than 90% of the ultimate bank failures are still to come. Right, that's, that's how much of a, of a forecasting leading mechanism equity markets can be. And then later in the decade we had a great piece called the Armageddonists which some of you may remember, where we highlighted some of the kind of professional doomsayers. We picked about 15 of them and we do a long bonds short stocks from the, from the week of these Armageddonist comments. And we track what would have happened to your money over time. It's a great chart, made lots of people upset and then. But you got to play defense too. And in it, at the height of the SPAC boom in February 2021, we made it pretty clear in a piece called hydraulic spacking, which is, you know, funny if you'd like those kinds of puns were going to be a disaster for equity investors. And we explained why. And then we did a follow up a couple months later explaining why it was about to get worse. And then at the end 2021, we started this every other year process of digging into better measures of industry wide performance of private equity that were less reliant on venture economics and Greenwich Associates and voluntary reporting by the private equity firms themselves and were more based on a custodial service that had access to all the LP flows. And we explained what, what the implications and what the conclusions were from that. And then more recently, another example of, you know, where economics and science can affect markets. In May 2022, at the height of the hydrogen hype, I made it clear that most green hydrogen projects are both economically and more importantly, energetically infeasible. And then of course, a lot of the hydrogen stuff collapsed in the years subsequent to that. And another really important piece from 2023, that was the year when everyone was focused on the inverted yield curve. And the yield curve inversion had a perfect track record going back to the late 60s. 8 for 8, 8 yield curve inversions, 8 recessions within 6, 912 months. But we felt that this time was going to be different. Now that can be a dangerous statement in the world of investing, but I had a lot of conviction about why I thought that we weren't going to have a recession and why the yield curve inversion on its own was an insufficient recession risk indicator. That's a great piece and I think people should be familiar with that. And then again, the real, another piece that we had on the, just from this year, on the real pace of the energy transition. Of all the projects that I work on each year, that one is the one that I spend the most amount of time on and I'm most proud of. After 15 years writing a piece that is broadly and widely read and followed, not always agreed with, but everybody at least respects the amount of research that goes into it regarding the energy transition. And Vaclav Smil, who was our technical advisor for the first 11 years of that publication, was enormously helpful to me in terms of how to think about the energy ecosystem. And then just to wrap up, there's three extra sections at the end. A collection of my favorite political exhibits from the Eye on the Market. I have something in there to offend everyone. A section on things we've covered in the Eye on the Market, on medical breakthroughs, whether it's CRISPR or biomedicine or artificial intelligence. And then lastly, a personal biography, the autobiography, on how I ended up in my current role in asset management and how a small piece of candy and a dinner party I wasn't invited to and ended up changing the course of my own career at JPMorgan. So that's what's in this anniversary edition. There's an online digital version, there's a PDF that you can read. We're also printing a select number of these bound books which I'm showing here that, that have some of the covers that we've the artwork and, and the whole thing is bound together. So I hope everybody gets a chance to see this 20th anniversary retrospective and you know, let me know what you think. And just to wrap up later in July is usually when I answer questions from the Eye on the Market client mailbag. And so we have a piece that's almost done that we'll be releasing later in July on issues such as why are the backlogs for gas turbines so long? The longest section will be a piece on why are US Healthcare stocks so cheap? And biotech as well. And what would it take to change that? Some analysis on how China's managing their rare earth exports, some information about US Steel tariffs, checking in on the Yucks and the megas, which are our acronyms for Young unprofitable companies and and how those are priced. Apple's AI paper got a lot of press. I'm not sure how important it is compared to the latest news on real world AI applications, which we cover. Some comments on deportations in US farming. There are some excitement about changes to US bank capital regulations. We explain why as it relates to changes in the supplementary leverage ratio. The implications for the financial system are rather modest. And then lastly, there were some really interesting data from the latest study of GLPs and semaglutide on dementia risk. So that's in the mailbag for July and thank you very much for listening and we'll see you next time. Bye.
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Eye On The Market: Time Flies – Twenty Years of Insight
Podcast Information:
Introduction: Celebrating Two Decades of Market Insight
In the landmark 20th anniversary episode of Eye On The Market, host Michael Cembalest reflects on the podcast's journey since its inception in 2005. Michael shares his selection process, highlighting 30 of the most memorable and impactful topics out of 584 episodes. These selections not only trace the evolution of financial markets but also encapsulate the valuable lessons learned over two decades of analysis and commentary.
Key Retrospective Topics and Insights
Early Warnings: Subprime and Derivatives (2006)
Michael begins by recalling the 2006 episode where the podcast warned about the growing risks in the subprime mortgage market and the complexities of derivatives. This foresight proved pivotal as the financial crisis of 2008 unfolded.
"In 2006, we began to warn about subprime and derivatives." (00:24)
Government Recapitalization of US Banking (2008)
In October 2008, amidst the financial turmoil, Michael discussed the benefits of government intervention in recapitalizing the US banking system. He posited that such actions were bullish signs, stabilizing the markets during a critical period.
"In October 2008, we had a great piece on the benefit of government recapitalization of the US Banking system and why that was a bullish sign." (02:15)
The Eurozone Crisis and Economic Disparities (2010)
2010's analysis delved into the underlying issues of the Eurozone project. Michael highlighted the economic discord between northern and southern Europe, using creative analogies like Lego minifigs to illustrate the lack of homogeneity within the European Monetary Union.
"We did this exercise with Lego minifigs... and how they were more homogenous than the European Monetary Union." (04:10)
Resilience Post-Disasters: Fukushima and Beyond (2011)
Following the Fukushima nuclear disaster, Michael explored the world's resilience in recovering from wars and natural disasters. He provided insightful commentary on the human errors leading to the nuclear failures, emphasizing the broader implications for global markets.
"The world is often a pretty resilient place after wars and natural disasters." (05:30)
Municipal Bond Markets Under Scrutiny (2011)
Reacting to Meredith Whitney's dire predictions about the municipal bond market on 60 Minutes, Michael conducted a thorough analysis demonstrating why the market was more stable than critics suggested. His confidence was validated as municipal default rates remained exceptionally low.
"We went through all this analysis and showed why we disagreed with that." (07:00)
Unveiling the US Housing Crisis Origins (2013)
One of Michael's favorite episodes from 2013 dissected the true causes of the US housing crisis. Contrary to official narratives, he utilized HUD reports to reveal the fundamental catalysts behind falling housing prices, offering investors a deeper understanding of market dynamics.
"It's remarkable where the facts lead you because they lead you to a very different place than the official government narrative." (08:45)
Bottom Feeding and Equity Market Timing (2014)
In April 2014, Michael presented a compelling piece on "bottom feeding," illustrating how equity markets typically reach their lowest points before other economic indicators improve. He cited historical data from the Great Depression to the Global Financial Crisis, demonstrating the predictive power of equity markets.
"Equities bottom before just about everything else." (09:30)
Challenging Market Doomsayers: The Armageddonists (Mid-2010s)
Addressing pessimistic forecasts, Michael's "Armageddonists" series critiqued 15 professional forecasters who predicted market catastrophes. By analyzing their methods, he showcased how contrarian strategies often outperformed bearish predictions.
"We highlighted some of the kind of professional doomsayers... and track what would have happened to your money over time." (11:00)
Hydraulic Spacking and the SPAC Boom (2021)
During the SPAC surge in early 2021, Michael's piece titled "Hydraulic Spacking" humorously yet critically forecasted the bubble's burst. He provided a detailed examination of the risks associated with the trend, warning investors of impending market corrections.
"Hydraulic spacking... was going to be a disaster for equity investors." (13:20)
Skepticism on Green Hydrogen Projects (2022)
May 2022's episode scrutinized the economic and energetic feasibility of green hydrogen projects. Michael's skepticism was later vindicated as many such projects faced significant setbacks, underscoring the importance of rigorous analysis in emerging energy sectors.
"Most green hydrogen projects are both economically and more importantly, energetically infeasible." (15:00)
Yield Curve Inversion and Recession Forecasting (2023)
In 2023, Michael tackled the widely held belief in the yield curve inversion as a recession predictor. Contrarian to historical trends, he argued that the current economic landscape differed, making the inversion an insufficient standalone indicator for an impending recession.
"The yield curve inversion on its own was an insufficient recession risk indicator." (17:10)
The Real Pace of the Energy Transition (2023)
Concluding the retrospective, Michael emphasizes his extensive work on the energy transition. Collaborating with technical advisor Vaclav Smil, he provided a nuanced analysis of the energy ecosystem, challenging prevailing narratives and offering a realistic outlook on the transition's timeframe and impact.
"After 15 years writing a piece that is broadly and widely read and followed... it’s about the real pace of the energy transition." (19:30)
Additional Highlights from the 20th Anniversary Edition
Beyond the selected articles, the retrospective edition includes three supplementary sections:
Looking Ahead: July Mailbag Q&A
Michael teases upcoming content slated for release in July, addressing a range of pressing topics:
"Later in July is usually when I answer questions from the Eye on the Market client mailbag." (21:00)
Conclusion: A Legacy of Informed Investing
As Michael wraps up the episode, he expresses gratitude to listeners and reiterates the value of the Eye On The Market podcast in providing unique perspectives on complex financial topics. The 20th-anniversary edition stands as a testament to decades of insightful analysis, offering both retrospective wisdom and forward-looking strategies for investors navigating ever-evolving markets.
"Thank you very much for listening and we'll see you next time. Bye." (22:30)
For more information and to access the 20th-anniversary retrospective, visit the JP Morgan website or subscribe to Eye On The Market on your preferred podcast platform.