For the past decade, Raphael Bob-Waksberg has pioneered the niche genre of hilarious-yet-heartwrenching animated TV comedies. The BoJack Horseman creator’s new show, Long Story Short, recently landed on Netflix and was immediately met with praise for its perfect balance of madcap humor and intricately layered storytelling. It’s not the kind of show one puts together without many years of developing a craft and a voice. Long before he was creating and writing animated shows, Raphael was a member of a college comedy troupe alongside our very own Adam Conover. Today, Adam and Raphael discuss their earlier sketch work together, using it to plot a foundation for their creative careers over the past decades.

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