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Hey, everybody. The third annual Wayfarer Summer Festival is coming up on July 11th, and you are not going to want to miss this. We're bringing in some amazing speakers like Thomas McConkie, Christine Hogland, and Katherine Sontag to talk about spiritual attention in the age of AI, the history and future of Mormon utopianism, and what a Latter Day Saint cultural renaissance might look like. Plus, just lots of amazing time to connect with friends old and new. And we've got catered lunches, poetry readings, musical performances, breakout sessions, an art gallery, and everything taking place in the gorgeous Heber Valley. Space for this is extremely limited, so you won't want to delay. You can get tickets@wayfairmagazine.org or look for the link in the show notes. Hey, everybody, this is Aubrey Chavez from Faith Matters. They call him the Mr. Rogers of farming, and I think you'll understand why. Carl Ebeling spent 33 years as a chemical engineer before feeling an undeniable pull back to the land and to a childhood love of farming that had never really left him. He combined his love of the earth with a desire to help and heal and founded eden streets in 2020, which is a farming initiative that helps individuals relaunch their lives and cultivate community through farming. Carl has watched firsthand as the earth does her healing work in the souls of women and men experiencing homelessness, addiction, or disconnection. Today, he joins us to talk about the gifts of creation and what it might look like to, in Elder Kasse's words, grow, enhance and improve upon them and what that kind of stewardship does for our own souls. I was so moved by Carl's grounded wisdom, his reverence for the Earth, and by the lessons that he's learning from the natural world about rhythms, relationships, belonging, and peace. With planting season upon us, we hope that this conversation inspires you to step outside, to put your hands in the dirt and experience the way the natural world is reaching out to heal you. And now, here's Carl Ebbeling. All right, well, Carl, welcome to the podcast. I'm so excited to have you here, and I've just really been looking forward to this conversation. So thanks so much for joining me.
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Thank you, Aubrey. It's a delight to be on Faith Matters. I love what you're here.
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Well, we're excited. Thank you. I've always been fascinated by people whose lives seem to really be led by the things that they love. So. And I think there's really some wisdom around using your gifts, but also just like your desires and your passions, as a compass to find meaningful work in the world. And you are such a good example of one of these people. And so I think it would be interesting. I'd love to just hear about your story growing up and when you first felt a real connection to nature and the earth.
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Yes, well, sad but good story is it took me 33 years to kind of come around to what my native love is. And so just a little background. My parents moved to Berks County, Pennsylvania from California when I was three and that was to be near my grand grandparents. And ever since I was in Maxitawney, Pennsylvania at the farm that my parents rented, I just fell in love with the soil. So even at 10 years old, I remember my brothers and sisters were watching cartoons Saturday morning and I would just like, I want to be out in the garden, I want to turn the soil, I want to be discovering nature. And at the time I was in 4H and they had a garden class. My advisor had this small garden, but it was like picture perfect. And I said, could I have one of those? You know, what would it take for me to create a garden like this? And so she advised that I get Organic gardening magazine and Rodale Press was Rodale Farms, the pioneer in organic farming was just three miles from my house. So as a 10 year old I would get their monthly organic gardening magazine and read it cover to cover. I just, I loved it. And so Saturdays and evenings I was out in the garden.
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When you look back, do you feel like you can see what nature was doing for you as a kid?
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Yeah, I just sensed peace. I sensed beauty and like my soul can't get enough of this, you know. We had a large pond alongside our hundred yard driveway and I spent hours just sitting by the edge of the pond or making canals and watching the water and listening to the spring peepers and with my dog Rusty. So that whole presence was amazing. In fact, my mother's birthday is on the 11th of August, and her tradition for the family was we would lay on blankets near the oak tree by the pond and we would watch shooting stars. And so I was predispositioned, if you will, to nature and the wonder of it that I feel privileged to have experienced.
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I wonder what you think about the cost of just our modern life. Maybe it's the pace, maybe it's the setting. How do you feel like we've changed because of our patterns in, you know, 2026?
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Well, if anybody doesn't have a cell phone, I'd be surprised. And the cell phone has so many benefits. And it's kind of our connection to the world. It's almost like Urim and Thummim in a way. We can ask Google anything we want and voila, instant information at the same time. That is an opportunity cost that short circuits our time with Mother Earth and nature. So, you know, the information age that we are in right now, many people's livelihoods is 8 hours in front of a computer screen, and then we are texting and then we're social mediaing, and all that adds up till it's hard to take a walk, you know, and just being out gardening, even.
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That's such a good point. It feels like without a phone there. There may be. It may be more of a reflex to relax outside, to, like, go outside for a breath of fresh air or just to sit. And that is rejuvenating. And I think when you have a phone in your hand, then of course the impulse when you need a break is numbing. It's the opposite. It's not rejuvenating. It's just like. It's checking out. Yeah. It's so subtle, but probably so many hours of our lives that are completely, unintentionally gifted to something that is not healing.
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Yes. And so intentionally, I'm really blessed because I'm farming now. And so every day I am in the soil and working. And I call it this life force that this is this healing, nourishing, educative power that streams into our lives when we're open to it, as we go into our backyards. And like Voltaire concluded his little novel, Candide, he said, we must cultivate our gardens. That's why God told us to tend these. These the ground. And because we tend it, we are transformed by it. I feel that life force flowing into me. And that's the opportunity waiting for us when we're ready.
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Oh, my gosh, that is so beautiful. And I do want to get into that. A couple of years ago, George Hanley spoke at one of our RESTORE events. And it was the year that there was this huge eclipse. And he spoke right before the eclipse was a solar eclipse was going to happen. And I remember him telling this story about a really heartbreaking tragedy in his family and how he found himself going to the Provo River. And the sentence that has stayed with me ever since is that he said, I felt nature absorbed, absorb my pain. And I just. I. When. So when you. When you talk about that, like, I, I, I. And I know that feeling that of I can't even explain what's happening. But there's something about being on the real ground, breathing new air that, that does feel like you're being held somehow.
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Yeah.
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So I'd love to hear, like, what is happening? Do you think?
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What is it?
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Yes.
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May I share some real life experiences that just happened this week? Okay.
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Oh, please. Yeah.
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So we work with two recovery centers in, in Ogden. And both recovery centers, as part of their program, they have two hours of volunteer farm work that I actually offer them. They want, they come because guess what? Connection with the soil is so healing. And what? This past Tuesday, 12 men came from Weaver Recovery center. And they showed up and got out of their vans and you know, I saw their countenances change from despair, discouragement to hope and life. Our task for the day was to harvest the COVID crop and to dig beds, new growing beds, and to create some compost piles. And I gave them size like these big size that you harvest wheat with, you know, the old days size. And I gave them shovels and I gave them some steaks to make this compost pen. No. In five minutes there was this magic. They said, I'm feeling so good here. This is amazing. I love it here. And by the end of the even, they only spent 45 hours and 45 minutes. Sorry. And they had to go. They said, thank you, farmer Carl. This has been amazing. This is like the highlight of my day and even of my week. And so can I explain it all? I can see it's that people are able to feel the peace. And one lady, her name is Colette, in our Eden Streets life relaunching farm based program. She said, I came over to the farm and I started working in the soil. And all of a sudden it came over me. I could forgive my father for what he had done. And she started to cry and she said, I don't know what it is, but when I'm in the soil, I was able to get over this obstacle in my life and forgive my father and move on. So even spiritually speaking, physically speaking, emotionally speaking, Earth wants to heal us. And it's real.
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Do you see this in scripture? Do you see places where we're taught that Mother Earth wants to heal us?
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Absolutely. You know, I've been studying this for now close to 30 years. One of my favorite sections in the Doctrine and covenants is section 59. After the Lord gives us the, the, the laws of the Sabbath and the fast, he says, inasmuch as ye do these things with thanksgiving, with chilfer hearts and countenances, he says, the fullness of the earth is yours. The beasts of the field and the fowls of the air, and that which climbeth upon the trees and walketh upon the earth. Yea, and the herb and the good things which come of the earth, whether for food or for raiment, or for houses, or for barns, or for orchards, or for gardens or for vineyards. Yea, all things which come of the earth in the season thereof are made for the benefit and use of man. To both, both to please the eye and to gladden the heart. Gave for food and for raiment, for taste and for smell, to strengthen the body and enliven the soul. You know, that, that, that. Strengthen the body and enliven the soul, to please the eye and gladden the heart. Those are some of my favorite phrases, because that's what I feel. That's that life force that I feel when I'm out in. In nature, working in the earth.
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Oh, that's such a beautiful example. I love that. I remember reading somewhere, let me see if I can find it. Yeah, I remember you said you wrote somewhere, the more you connect with Mother Earth, the greater the return of life force. And I, I've never thought about it like that, that, like there is some kind of an exchange that, like, it requires something from me.
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As we open ourselves up to it and just put our hands in the soil, there is this feeling of peace and connection. You know, our bodies carry a charge with them. And so taking off your shoes, walking barefoot, we really ground ourselves. And when we do, Mother Earth is there to heal us, to really heal us. The calmness, the peace, the fresh air, and to be a part of co creation. So, you know, Alma talks about making room for the seed and making sure the soil is good and then planting that seed. This experience you can experience every time you plant a seed and let water it for three days and watch it come up out of the ground, it's resurrection in progress, right? It's. It's glorious and joyful.
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What does the earth teach us about rhythms and seasons? It feels like there are these very literal things that hold such deep wisdom for our lives.
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Right? Let me give you an analogy. I grew up on the east coast, and so we went to the beach often. And I love to ride the waves. So what? The Atlantic Ocean at least has big enough waves that you can catch the wave. And you, you're 50 yards, 100 yards out there from the shore, and you watch the waves come in and they crest and then they fall. And as I got really good at this, I would Catch the crest of the wave, and it would propel my whole body forward, like in. In just a matter of seconds. I had covered 50 yards. Right. And that's what nature offers us if we're in tune with the rhythms, the waves, the waves of energy, the. The cycles. You know, I am a student of the endowment that we receive in the temples. And a third of the endowment is dedicated to creation. And a good part of that talks about, and God gave us the day and the night, the moon and the sun and the stars for times and seasons. And as. As just as a person, you know, when I lay my weary body down to sleep, there's restoration happening, there's rebuilding, restoring. And. And my body needs that rest. And the same with the sunrise. And I gain energy with the sunrise. That's how we should wake up in the mornings, really gradually and not just all of a sudden, you know, 60 miles an hour.
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Yeah.
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So the moon, even just watching the moon, there's the Jewish holidays and celebrations centered around the moon. It's interesting that the Passover began with the new moon, but on the 14th day and the 15th day, which is the full moon, that's when you killed the paschal lamb. That's the full moon. That's the celebration. And in broad daylight, the Savior was slain for the world. And so you start looking at Leviticus and numbers and Exodus, and you start seeing, wow, the Israelites were taught seasons and patterns, holidays and Sabbaths. The Sabbath is such a part of renewal and rest.
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Yeah. Wow, this is so fascinating. I think for me, the cycles that have been nourishing, to start noticing and recognizing my own life are just of death and rebirth. You know, it just seems like, okay, in a. In a spiritual sense, like, I love reading about faith crisis and faith development and it. And it just feels like you could overlay this on any living thing. They're just. We're always all in these cycles of. Or the way Richard Rohr puts it, is order, disorder, reorder. And I love that. That is the wisdom of. Of the Earth.
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And in fact, our composting process, when the women or the men that we're working with on the farm, grass composting, it's like they themselves realize that they may be considered by society, the dregs, the leftovers, the waste of the world, but when they go through this composting crisis, they come to black gold. They are renewed energy. There's more life in that compost than ever before. And that goes back into the soil. And then we bring forth new life. So very much this. I am in this phase of life. I have this window of opportunity. Let me harvest this day and this month and this year to be the best creation I can be for my creator.
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That has been so true in my own life. The dark, dirtiest, hardest seasons like that, that it really is where all of the growth seems to begin. Like, that feels like such nourishing foundation, even though it feels like such a mess. So I love that that's there. Yeah.
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And I think Isaiah talks about from ashes to beauty. That's the restoration that happens. And it happens over and over again. I see resurrection over. And so I feel very lucky to be a farmer.
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I heard just the other day. I don't know if you've heard of Mike Petro. He works at the center for Action and Contemplation with Richard Rohr, and he, on his podcast, recently had such a beautiful interpretation of the wheat and the tares. That's a. That's a nature parable that I've always struggled with because we make it about, you know, heaven and hell and judgment. And so I've often felt, like, real resistance to this parable. But the. The wisdom that he sees in that parable is that sometimes we have to let things grow to fruition before we can see if they're good or bad. And. And it's impossible to sort those seeds because they look so similar in the beginning. And I thought that was such a beautiful way to think about it, that, like, there's. There's no urgency. We're just letting things grow. And it will be clear when it's clear, you know?
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Right.
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Yeah.
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I do like seeds. We want to be the full mature plant right now. And so it's like when you plant a plant and you pull it out and say, is it done yet? You know, you gotta let organic process.
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Yeah.
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And do their thing. And we. And patience and long suffering are all the lessons we learn in the process.
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Yes. Yes. That's what. That's where I was going with that. It feels like there is a real patience without fear. Like, that it's okay for things to grow and move. When nature is healing me, that feels like the message that I can breathe and settle and trust that the season is moving either way, and I don't have to stop it or push it, and I can just be part and present with the process. Yeah. Okay. Tell me about. Tell me about this word relationship, because I know that that's something that has been meaningful to you, thinking about ourselves in relationship with the earth, not just not just taking. Not a relationship where we're. That's one sided, but something with a lot of giving and receiving. So I'd love to see either where you see that in scripture or, or how you've experienced it.
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Yeah. So obviously I have a relationship with myself. As far as I have a spirit inside my body, that awareness is one level of relationship. And I have a relationship with my Creator and God the father of my spirit. That's another level of relationship. Then I have relationship other people, right. My family especially, and then my neighbors. That's human interaction, nature. Now set that aside. I know those. But what if, what if you could relate to every created thing? Doesn't that blow your mind? I remember Covid hit in 2020 and we didn't go into work anymore, right. I said, okay, this is my chance to really become a farmer. So I turned my whole front yard as well as my backyard into a garden that I found such solace and such peace and such power. And then, you know, the more I've read the scriptures, I realize that Mother Earth is a. I call it Master Intelligence. In other words, I think every element in the universe, every atom is possessed of an intelligence. But those elements combine into compounds which combine into tissues, which combine into organisms. And the earth is like an organism. It's organized with one master intelligence that has a personality. We read about this in book of Moses when Enoch feels Mother Earth crying and weeping for the unrighteousness of the earth and the wickedness that's pervading because her purpose is not able to be fulfilled. The Creator gave Mother Earth the mission to save families, to feed them, to teach them, to transform them, and to. To help them connect with Creator through her presence. So she is the medium through which we come to know the Creator. And it sorrows her that through our wickedness and disconnection, we ignore her and the healing and the life force that's available to us. So I can talk to Mother Earth. In fact, every morning to start my day, to first of all create it spiritually. After I have my to do list, I go do yoga. And in that yoga, I'm connecting with my body and my breathing and my mind and trying to make sure that they're all one. And then in the Shavas, I start meditating about Mother Earth and I thank her for supporting me, for feeding me, for teaching me, for being so beautiful and giving me pleasure and joy and happiness and just. It. It's not long, it's probably 30 seconds to just thank you, Mother Earth. And would you help teach me some things today, help me to be open so that I can learn from you. So that's kind of the relationship that I'm talking about. Now, that's just mother Earth. What about the tree that's in my front yard? You know, have you ever touched a tree, said, thank you for your leaves, your beauty, your balance. What you teach me about reaching toward the light? And what about the ladybug do you see on the flower? And what about the stone? You know, it's interesting reading numbers. The Lord commands, Moses says, speak to the rock and tap on it, and it will bring forth water. What is he talking about?
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Wow.
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The rock is not alive. Now, wait. The rock is alive. And when Enoch says, you know, he could command the mountains to move or the rivers to change course, there's a whole nother level of creation connection. Right? That's. That's what I'm talking about. And when you gain this idea that you are a being of connectedness and that you are a conduit of life force, your world changes, your worldview changes.
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Thank you. That is so beautiful. I. I love this idea of. Of the yoga being part of this connection, because it does feel like maybe some of the collateral damage to our modern life is a real disconnection with our bodies. And. And it feels like for a lot of us, probably the first step to feeling this connection is connecting again with our. With our own.
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Yeah.
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Flesh and blood. That feels like a practice that could be so fruitful.
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Yeah. Just. If I could add to that, please.
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Yeah.
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You know, in Second Corinthians, Paul talks about the members of the body and how they all do their parts and they work together. I believe that our bodies are a microcosm of the universe. That's not unique to me, but part of biodynamics. And what that means is that each of my body systems has a purpose. There's so much complexity and so much wonder in our bodies that getting in touch with our bodies is a really important part of our health.
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You mentioned peace earlier, but I'd love to hear more about that. And what. What is it about nature that fills us with peace?
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Well, yeah, I think you would agree that there are certain things you can't explain. You just need to exp. The sacred grove. I think of the savior leaving the 12 and going into the wilderness for a night, needing to be alone as he contemplated his next step, calling the 12. You know, just. I need peace. And where did he go? He went into the wilderness. The 40 days of fast. I love The Joseph Smith translation. He went into the wilderness to be with God. God is peace. That's why we go and hike a mountain. That's why we go to the temple. You know, there's peace and creation. Most, some people mistakenly think that creation is all about competitiveness and getting ahead. You know, dog eats dog, whoever's the biggest and strongest will win. But if you observe nature, it's an incredibly cooperative system of egos. An ecosystem of every creation has its need and its, and its function. And when you put all that together in a balance, you've got the Garden of Eden again. It's the way it was designed. It was perfect harmony. And that harmony brings about peace.
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Beautiful. There was a talk recently, sort of recently by Elder Kasse and I, one of his line, the lines from that talk that I loved, he said that, that our role as stewards of the earth is not just to conserve and preserve, but to grow, enhance and improve upon. And that God has called us to be co creators, like you mentioned, be a co creator. And we were really excited to see that there's a new section in the handbook now about caring for the earth. And so I'd love to just hear from your perspective what this means for, for, for the Earth, for our responsibility, but also just for our own souls.
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Yes. Okay. This is like the universe in one question. Taking care of the earth and stewarding is base one. Right. Okay. So I don't throw trash on the ground, I don't burn down forests, and I don't exploit resources. Right. The Doctrine Covenants, the Lord warns us about exploiting. And then he said, be a good steward. Okay, So I have my backyard and my front yard and let me take care of that. But grow, enhance and improve upon you See, that's where you get into a whole nother magnitude or dimension of personal development. Earth wants us to be transformed. And as we work with her and are possessed of this life force, a literal transformation happens in growth within us. So that we become the plant that God is growing and we start taking on new leaves. The growth we see is a growth in knowledge. As we're planting those seeds and watching the fruit come, we grow in the ability to be grateful. We grow in the perception of reality and the proper order of things. And what this universe is about. There's a lot of perception that increases and expands and clarifies. And that's the empowerment that we have when we work in the earth. So those three other verbs that he uses are just, they open a universe of growth and development for Us.
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I think, I know that so many people feel most connected to Heavenly Mother in nature. And, and I think the symbol of the Tree of Life and is a real connecting point too. And, and I. The way that we always talk about the Earth as feminine, I just, I would just love to know how you think about that. Is that, is there a connection there to a wholeness that we might be missing in places like our regular worship service and in the temple?
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You know, I, I'm a more expansive thinker about this. When I, When I say the word Elohim, I think of the gods and I think of Heavenly Father, Heavenly Mother, and Jehovah, and I see them, I visualize them sitting on their thrones watching over this creation. And I thank them every day for the gift of life. So, although not preached in church, that's fine. I have a relationship and I try to learn more about Heavenly Mother through the creation. Mother Earth is such a nurturer, and I can only imagine that there's a pattern on Mother and Mother Earth that totally reflective of Mother in Heaven.
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Thank you so much for saying that. I think maybe what lights me up about it especially is that if the Earth is sort of our access for learning more about Heavenly Mother, it feels like there's this, this fullness that is all around us. And, And I love the idea of, like, if, if our access is the Earth, we've, We've. We've known her forever. You know, we've. And there's a familiarity and a. And a relationship there, actually, that we maybe just need to practice recognizing. So I really appreciate that. Thank you. I think this time of year, people are probably moving outside more and, and maybe people are considering starting a garden or planting something new or. And maybe, hopefully we'll feel inspired by your wisdom today and, and want to get started, but I would, I just would really love if you could leave us with some ideas for. If you're, if you're feeling the energy and you want to feel connected, how can you start? Because to me, I'm not. I, I want to love this, but I've struggled in the garden and I love some advice that is not overwhelming, but that would be like my, you know, a first, second step in the right direction.
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Yeah. So, you know, I hear horror stories of my mom and my dad every Saturday morning. They forced me to go outside and weed in the garden, and it was noon and, and it was so miserable. That's why I never want to garden. You know, that was a very sad situation because 1. This was imposed upon them as some kind of. You have to do this. We naturally want our agency. And two, when are you doing this? You're doing this in the hot of the day. And you talk to us. Get hot and sunny. Oh, my goodness. And you're maybe doing it all by yourself because your parents are inside doing something else instead of gardening with you.
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So, yeah, I've been guilty on the parents. I've been guilty, I think, of everything you just mentioned.
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So my recommendation is rhythms and togetherness. So it wasn't Adam alone in the garden. It was Adam and Eve. You know, the joy comes when you're together. And you know what? I am almost sure that Adam and Eve did not garden in the heat of the day. We have this paradigm about gardening in the heat of the day, and then we get sunburned and bug eaten, and it's just misery. Right? But let me tell you, when the sun rises and you're out gardening, it's a totally different experience. So I would say, you know, if this podcast, the audience is people from living in apartments to people who have 10 acres in there and don't know what to do with it, I would say, can you get a milk carton and fill it with soil? You know those wax.
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Yeah.
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Small milk cartons. You know, poke a hole in the bottom, cut the top off, put a little soil in there, make sure it's got a lot of breathing air in it. And you put that marigold seed in there and you water it. You water it and you watch and you watch and you put that in your windowsill. You may not even have much of a space for sunlight, but that simple. You watch that plant come up, and you're like, wow, this is amazing. And then once you get success, then you're not feeling guilty. You're not like, oh, this was too much work, you know? Then start with a bigger container. Maybe it's your. You have an urn or a little pot you can put on your steps as you walk in the house. And you put a little plant there. And then if you, you know, if you're feeling up to it, make a plot that's 2 yards by 3 yards, something small, and take good care of it. Just that little plot. But I tell you where you start. You'll. You'll feel that feedback, that, yes, I see the fruit of my labors, and I see this plant thanking me for giving them the gift of life. I happen to be father of about 100,000 plants this season. They're in my backyard. They're in My ground. Can you imagine how I feel? I feel like I'm part of creation. I'm co creating with God and I'm facilitating each of these organisms becoming their best selves. And in the process, guess what? I get more back than. Than I receive. Let me share you this experience. I. I worked at Wasatch Community Gardens, Green Phoenix Farm in Salt Lake City as a farm intern for 10 months. And on one particular day, we had in our high tunnel, 44,000 seedlings. And I took my friend for a tour and the sun was setting, and the sun hit these 44,000 plants, and I heard them singing and it was incredible, this wave of joy and life force that I had been a part of for 44,000. Guess what? Those plants were going to go to a thousand customers who were going to plant them in their backyards and, and they were going to enjoy tomatoes and peppers and cucumbers and. And so all I'm saying is start small and be open to that amazing feedback from that plant that you're giving life to, you're giving an opportunity to. And then you realize, God is giving me an opportunity. This is the day that the Lord has given. Let us be glad and rejoice in it. That's the opportunity for us. Brooke Levan summarizes it this way. Everything is alive. Let the life all around us speak through us, making sure to not let our egos get in the way. As a farmer, I am a steward, here to create arenas for all life to do their best work. It's our job to create unity in sanctified space. And so that's the real wealth. It's not measured in dollars. It's measured in connection. It's found in connection to the land, in food grown with intention and community nourished together.
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Thank you so much, Carl. I. I mean, I can see the way you radiate just so. I mean, it feels like love and gratitude when you talk about it, and I feel so inspired to have that experience. So I'm just so grateful that you would join us and, and share it all.
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Thank you, Aubry. It's. It's a pleasure. Thanks for all the great questions. And I'm hoping this inspires people to plant the seed, get. Get out in nature, be part of creation. Mother Earth wants to heal.
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All right, thanks so much for listening. We really hope that you enjoyed this conversation with Carl Ebling. If you'd like to support Carl and the incredible work that they're doing at Eden Streets, you can go to edenstreets.org to learn more, donate or get involved. We'll also link to the website in our show notes. Thanks again for listening.