ANA GASTEYER Took VW Bug Roadtrips

Summary

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Family Trips with the Meyers Brothers

Episode: ANA GASTEYER Took VW Bug Roadtrips

Air Date: July 21, 2026

Hosts: Seth Meyers & Josh Meyers

Guest: Ana Gasteyer

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Episode Overview

In this hilarious and nostalgic episode, Seth and Josh Meyers welcome the multitalented Ana Gasteyer—actor, singer, and Broadway Tony nominee—to reminisce about childhood road trips, family quirks, cross-country VW adventures, and the joys and disasters of family travel. Ana dives into her unique childhood in the heart of Washington D.C., her family’s unconventional vacations in a cramped VW Bug with a menagerie of dogs, and shares insights into her own family’s modern travel rituals. The episode is rich in warmth, laughter, and candid storytelling about family, exhaustion, and the traditions (and growing pains) that shape us.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Ana's Broadway "Mishap" & The Reality of Tony Season

[05:45–13:35]

• Broadway Burnout: Ana recounts fainting mid-show due to sheer exhaustion during her run in "Schmigadoon!" amidst relentless Tony nominations, press, and performances:
  • "It was like being an active, wilting flower. I felt like a cartoon." — Ana [07:22]
  • Her therapist’s view: sometimes the body needs to force a rest when ambition pushes too far. [12:35]
• Life Backstage: Swapping out to her understudy on the fly, Ana describes the surreal moment hearing her lines spoken by someone else as she lay faint below stage.
• The "Blown Adrenals" Era: Both Ana and fellow Tony nominee Rachel Dratch text each other "#blownadrenals" as a joke about the toll of awards season.

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Childhood in the Heart of Washington D.C.

[14:48–20:16]

• Ana grew up just three blocks from the Capitol, learning to drive stick shift on Capitol Hill during rush hour traffic ("A terrible idea," she laughs) [15:06].
• Her father was a political insider: lobbyist, lawyer, campaign manager, and even mayor of Corrales, NM—giving Ana both urban and small-town America experiences.
• Desert People: The brothers and Ana riff on the eccentric, "frontiering" spirit of people who choose to live in the desert—Ana: "You have a frontiering capacity to go without water." [17:10]

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Family Road Trips: VW Bugs, Dogs, and Midwest Destinations

[20:19–36:10]

• Car Trip Disasters: Ana details epic family road trips in a VW Bug—with two kids and a dog:
  • "My memory of it only involves like VW exhaust, hot plane air, and car sickness." — Ana [31:24]
  • Entertainment? Mastermind (with thousands of tiny pegs) in the sweltering backseat.
• The Gasteyer Menagerie: Her mother bred rare terriers, leading to a rotating cast of dogs on each trip; later, a memorable whippet—"He was super skinny and super gassy," laughs Ana [33:39].
• Midwest Family Roots: Trips to visit "spinster aunts" Henrietta and Winifred in tiny Loop City, Nebraska—straight out of a sketch comedy (barns at 45-degree angles, dinner at the Phillips 76) [35:04].

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Modern Family Travel, Teenagers, and American Landmarks

[41:47–49:08]

• Ana’s Own Family Road Trips: Detailed stories about touring the southern U.S. (Memphis, Tallahassee, Tampa), combining concerts with site-seeing, and elaborate desert tours (Carlsbad Caverns, White Sands, Marfa).
• Audiobooks and Habit Stacking: The Meyers and Ana discuss the value of audiobooks on journeys—and how Ana combines treats ("habit stacking"/"soothe stacking") to make tedious tasks more bearable:
  • "To develop a habit, put something nice with the habit you don't like." — Ana [48:12]
• Changing Family Travel Norms: Ana points out that her brother, an academic and a true helper, inherited the "stay in touch and help old people" gene, which her son now seems to have as well.

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Notable Family Traditions and Vacation Philosophies

[49:09–55:59]

• Planning Traditions: Ana admires friends who do an American city each winter break and international travel each spring—a ritual she wishes she had established.
• Favorite Family Trips: Marfa, Texas stands out for Ana’s children; London trips for Harry Potter tourism are memorable, but sometimes the best vacations are renting a "big dumb house" (with a pool and basketball hoop) stocked with Costco food and just hanging out.
• Games & Puzzles: Ana’s family is drawn more to puzzles and word games (Balderdash, Categories, Listicle) than more deceptive social games like Mafia—"I hate things where I have to lie to people." [58:11]

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Peak Nostalgia: National Parks, AM Radios, and Jim Beam

[59:45–66:03]

• National Park Observers, Not Hikers: The Gasteyers were a "Vista Point family":
  • "We were a Vista Point family, and I still am a Vista Point family." — Ana [60:04]
• The Realities of Long Drives: Strong memories for Ana: the mound of luggage in the Super Beetle, motels, and parents unwinding with Jim Beam in the evenings.
• Skiing Revelations: A surprising anecdote about her husband’s hidden skiing prowess, and the Meyers riff on the absurd fantasy of living in a sea-level alpine chalet.

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Speed Round: Lightning Questions

[65:27–70:47]

• Ideal Vacation: Educational ("I like to have a little activity with some history and good food.") [65:39, 68:56]
• Family She’d Most Like to Travel With: The Buckets, from "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" ("Grandpa Joe was game, and Charlie was a very compliant child.") [66:36, 67:06]
• Stranded on a Desert Island: Her husband—"he’s very resourceful"—but admits the whole family is highly compatible now that the kids are grown [67:26–67:53].
• Dream Trip: Biking through Norway, Ireland, or any place with castles, inns, cheese, wine and just enough physical activity to justify the indulgence [68:34–69:11].
• Pitching D.C. as a Travel Destination: "The Smithsonian is free... Even the zoo is free." [69:23–70:03]
• Grand Canyon Verdict: "Absolutely worth it." [70:16]

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Most Memorable Quotes & Moments

• "It was like being an active, wilting flower. I felt like a cartoon." — Ana, on fainting mid-show [07:22]
• "My memory of it only involves like VW exhaust, hot plane air, and car sickness." [31:24]
• "We were a Vista Point family, and I still am a Vista Point family." [60:04]
• On spinster aunts: "They were named Aunt Henrietta and Aunt Winifred... Like out of Wizard of Oz." [34:04]
• "Sometimes the best trip is just renting a big dumb house... get everything at Costco and do puzzles." [55:00]
• "I don’t like Mafia or Traitors. I don’t like things where I have to lie to people." [58:11]
• "The only sad thing is they move out once they're really easy to be around." [68:14]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 05:45 — Ana joins, Broadway mishap/fainting story
• 14:48 — Growing up near the Capitol, learning stick shift in D.C.
• 20:19 — Gasteyer family car trips, VW Bug stories
• 32:43 — The family’s “spinster aunts” and farm visits
• 41:47 — Ana’s current family road trips and activities
• 48:12 — Audiobooks, habit stacking/soothing strategy
• 60:04 — Vista Point vs. Hiking Family philosophy
• 65:27 — Speed round questions & answers
• 69:23 — Selling D.C. to tourists
• 70:16 — Grand Canyon: worth it or not?
• 74:33 — Musical recap outro

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Episode Tone & Style

True to Seth and Josh Meyers’ signature style, the conversation is sharp, affectionate, and inviting, effortlessly weaving nostalgia with comedy. Ana brings warmth, candor, and self-deprecating humor to her family travel tales, and the trio riff like old friends.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode is a masterclass in how family trips shape us—from VW Bug cross-country slogs and motley packs of family dogs, to Broadway burnout and the enduring tradition of board games and puzzles. Ana Gasteyer’s stories are both singular and universal, guaranteed to inspire laughter, memories, and perhaps a little planning for your next family road trip—with or without a whippet.

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Hey, bud.

[A]

Hey, Sufi.

[B]

How's it going?

[A]

Good. How are you?

[B]

Good. I had the Poncas visit. Oh, yeah? I had a very fun time with the Poncas and the kids. The kids are so happy to see the Poncas.

[A]

Yeah, they get pretty. It's fun to see grandkids get fired up. Grandparents. And they definitely do. I've been there for those arrivals.

[B]

They also, obviously, they see Alexi's parents more than they see hours. And there was a really good moment where Axel said he was like, I want to go hang out with my grandpa. And Tom was there, and Tom said, well, I'm your grandpa, Axel. He goes, not the one I see all the time. Yeah.

[A]

Scarcity.

[B]

They also call. I don't know why, because they are the Poncas, but they just call Mom, Hurry, which is great. And they only call dad Ponky, so Ponky's the best. Yeah. And then Addie started calling him Ponky the Donkey. Outstanding.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then I said, what's everybody else? And she goes, hurry, the burry, Daddy the baddie, Mama the llama. And I said, what is Axel? And she goes, the asshole. So also, Alexi, here's what I'm dealing with with Axel. Alexi sent me a video because I'm in New York and they're not in the city. And it was a turkey with its little turkey babies. Turkey chicks. I wonder what you call baby turkeys. Baby turkeys, sure. Walking behind the mom turkey. And it's just the most beautiful video. And then at the end, you just hear Axel go, oh, that's so cute. Should we cook them? And just the screeching tires of from. Should we cook them from.

[A]

Excuse me.

[B]

They're so cute. Should we cook them? I mean, he's eating turkey. He likes turkey, probably. Good boy.

[A]

Loves turkey. Turkey. Say that.

[B]

Get that young. Get that turkey. Veal. That little. That young turkey. But it was a wonderful visit and. And so great to see them. And the kids are very particular about who picks them up from camp, who drops them off from camp. They feel like they want a real fairness as far as who gets to hang out the most with the punkies.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We also Watched the. I want to say the second Pirates of the Caribbean movie because the kids are trying to watch them all this summer because they've been invited to a birthday party. They've been invited to a birthday party, and they've been told they're watching the fourth Pirates of the Caribbean Caribbean movie at the birthday party.

[A]

Gotcha. So they want to be up to speed.

[B]

We watched an hour of it one night, and mom and dad watched with us. And I swear to God, when my kids watch half a movie, the amount they're like, when do we get to finish it? Like, you could not hear them over mom saying, when are we going to finish it, Mom?

[A]

Are those movie scary? Is it scary for the boys?

[B]

No, not really. They definitely did a good job of, like, frightening, not scary. Gotcha. Yeah. But, yeah, it was lovely. How have you been?

[A]

I've been good. I'm trying to think of what I've been up to.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Mackenzie's back home. She went home for her father's birthday, so. Oh, very nice. Yeah, that's been fun. And, yeah, I don't know. I'm gearing up. When this comes out, I'm gonna be almost on my way down to Comic Con, which we've talked about how. Yeah, it's blowing your mind that I'm going to Comic Con, but I'm going to be going down to Comic Con. Looking forward to that. Yeah. Then I'll be coming to the east coast in August for a big old stretch.

[B]

So we're doing our live shows August 11th. August 12th, correct?

[A]

No, I think it's the 12th. We're in Philadelphia. And the 13th, we're in Boston.

[B]

And August 11th, you're out of luck.

[A]

Yeah. August 11th, I'm flying to Philly, but I'm very excited about that.

[B]

Very. We're very excited to be doing our live family trips. You did one, I guess, in Amsterdam. So these are our first domestic live family trips. Very excited. Those are the city wineries in City

[A]

winery in Philly and then City winery in Boston. So that's. Yeah, I'm excited about those.

[B]

And if you're going to the Boston shows, a high probability of a ponky the donkey sighting.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

No, they're peeled. Keep your eyes peeled. Well, Anna Gosteyer joined us, and she's just wonderful.

[A]

Yeah, she's the best. She's still on Broadway in schmigadoon.

[B]

She's still schmiggin it over on Broadway.

[A]

And Tony nominated. Yeah.

[B]

Remarkably talented and a great convo. So enjoy. Anna Goss Dyer. And thank you guys for listening.

[C]

Family chips with the mice brothers. Family chips with the mice. Here we go.

[B]

Nana.

[A]

Hi.

[C]

Sorry, I don't have headphones. And also.

[B]

That's okay, right?

[C]

Yeah, that's it.

[A]

You're also surrounded by plants, which I love.

[C]

I did that on purpose to soothe you.

[B]

Yeah, it is very soothing. It's immediately soothing. Anna, the last time I was supposed to see you in person, you had a Broadway mishap.

[C]

What happened?

[B]

Well, weren't we all supposed to get together after your show? And you. You had to bail.

[C]

You had to bail. That was rough, by the way.

[B]

I can't believe it doesn't happen more, but did it really?

[C]

Did you have to? It's my first time.

[B]

Did it happen at intermission?

[C]

It happened mid show. It was terrible. It was terrible. I've never.

[B]

Ana is on stage in the Tony Award winning Schmigadoon.

[C]

That's right.

[B]

And it's a very exciting time for Broadway. Maya Rudolph is on Broadway. Rachel Dratch is on Broadway. Ana Gas Diaries on Broadway. And there was gonna be cocktails, and we received a text from Anna. Tell us. Tell us what happened, why you had to cancel drinks afterwards.

[C]

Well, I'm. You know, it's. I'm glad that it wasn't explosive diarrhea, because, you know, that's happening right now.

[A]

That's. That's what everyone was thinking up till.

[C]

Every news story. Every news story keeps leading with explosive diarrhea. Parasites, like, they don't even, like, leave it to the imagination. Like a gastrointestinal discomfort. They just tell you what it is. No, you know what? I. I fainted.

[B]

Mid show or off stage?

[C]

Yeah, mid show. I think I had like a blood sugar crash or something. We had just been going. We went straight through, you know, press, press, press, press, press. Tony's Tony. Tony's. Tony's. Tony's Opening. Opening, opening. Like, all of that. And I really, you know, whatever. We all work hard, but this was like, in a. In a career of. Of. Of pretty busy times. Like this was. I didn't have a day off for 13 weeks. I counted.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Just because we were always doing stuff on.

[B]

You get on Broadway, it's supposed to be res day. And from speaking to you, from speaking to Dratch, who was also Tony nominated, it does seem like a totally second job that is running in parallel with being on Broadway, which is doing the award press for a show. Yeah.

[C]

And they're voting on you the same time that you're doing the press all day. So the shows themselves actually matter quite a bit. Not that shows don't matter, but you have particular stress placed upon those because a third of the audience is conceivably Tony voters. So it's pretty stressful. Anyway, I was tired, and then we did the Tonys, and then the following Monday we did the cast recording, and then I came and did your show. And then just a lot of running around and whatever. And I think I just was, like, under. I really don't know. It was like being an active, wilting flower. I felt like a cartoon. I was downstairs. There's this little, like, area, wardrobe area in the underpass of our show, and we usually sit and enjoy some snacks and chat in between entrances. And I. I was sort of chatting and then, in fact, it was hilarious. My friend Richard Yoder, who's in the ensemble, was like, what's everyone's word of the day? And I said purposeful, meaning, like, I'm going to put one foot in front of the other. Because I was super tired that day. And I just immediately failed on my word of the day because I wilted. It was like instant. Like, all of a sudden it's like, oh, shit, I think I'm going to. You know when you're, like, either going to faint or shit my pants or barf, something was happening. And remember, I'm in a series of petticoats, a really huge wig and hat. So add all of, like, that already. I'm a. She's gonna blow. Like, I didn't think I was gonna.

[B]

It meant. What that means is the costume designer was praying for faint over barf pants. Based on the. The how expensive your costume.

[C]

We were actually in the wardrobe department and they, like, zoomed to those barf backs. Like, you've never. Like, I was a trash can in front of me in a barf bag. And like, it was like, faster than a parent with a toddler. A car sick toddler. Yeah. And then I fainted and then I went home and then I. I just went to sleep. So it was completely fine. Like, I just think I was exhausted was there.

[A]

And did you have more on stage activity to do?

[B]

No.

[C]

That's what was so insane was that I was awaiting in act. I have a pretty light act one, and I was awaiting my third entrance. And it was like I. I could hear. I could hear the, you know, the orchestra and I could hear my cue coming and just the sheer panic of, like. And then, you know, somebody, like, we're gonna get the stage manager. You know, like a lot of People be like, hey, hey, do you think you're gonna make it? You know, just really stressed, high pitched, you know, crisis management. And then like them zooming by with my. My understudy was. Is in the ensemble. So like her zooming by and then her running up and then hearing my lines out of somebody else's face.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Is it about halfway through the show.

[C]

It was almost the end of Act 1. So like I said, I've never done this before in my entire career. Like, I've, I've never. But it's pretty much just puking or like ankle breaks or something like that. That would.

[B]

The crazy thing is I, I went to a couple nights earlier, I had been at Dratch's show, Rocky Horror.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

And a similar thing happened where one of the leads was made it to intermission because, you know, unlike you, a pro and Absolutely. But I admit it, it was crazy, you know, and I guess just back seized up and, you know, it. It really speaks to understudies that, you know, more often than not, obviously they're just seamless and they go on and, you know, I think, you know, audiences, especially audiences who see the first act of the star and then the understudy, like, obviously they're gonna be disappointed to miss you in the second act, but they probably also leave being like, you know what, that understudy really knows what they're doing.

[C]

Like, it's kind of crazy, I guess. I mean, I was really like, I just sort of slunk home. I mean, I slunk. I literally got out of my costume and got home. But I, and I've been on stage before where you had a person, a lead, say something, exit, and then their understudy shows up. And it's a very funny moment. Cause you're like, that's no longer the person I was doing scene with. And half the time the audience barely notices. But yeah, it was, it was just dramatic. I, I, you know, as Dratch keeps texting me, hashtag blown adrenals. Because I think we were both just like our adrenal. I mean, it was just so much to manage all at once. And my son graduated. My, My baby graduated from high school the Tuesday after the Tony. So we just had. It was like a very loaded month. And it was a great month. And certainly it was nice that Shamiga Dune won best musical because that, you know, obviously made it all kind of worth it.

[B]

I actually kind of like it when sometimes the body of a person like you needs to be like your, your work ethic and Ambition are great, Ana, but we're gonna shut things down for a day.

[C]

My therapist says exactly the same thing. And actually, what I will tell you is that. So we. Like I said, we did the cast recording and then I did your show and then something else. Oh. Oh. We went to Omari to see Maya because I knew that I had to see her before she left town. And, you know, all that she finished, she finished yesterday. And, you know, with the two sets of eight show weeks, like, your schedules are slightly different. So it was like I could only go on a Monday night. It was the only way I was gonna be able to see her. So on Tuesday, I actually texted my co star, Sarah Chase. I was like, oh, my God, I don't think I can do this today. You know, just kind of in the. Sometimes you do that and the other person is like, yeah, go get your venti coffee and meet me there. You know, And I did. And then the same thing was true when I started the show with my purposeful word of just like, I'm tired, but I just have to slog through this. And then that was it. I think my body was like, remember that time 48 hours ago that you weren't feeling good? Like, that's what this was. So I just ended up taking off the rest of the day, and it was great. I was like, noon the next day.

[A]

Are you a fainter? Historically, do you.

[C]

No.

[A]

Okay. I've got a buddy who faints semi regularly, and he was at his. Yeah, his wife's birthday party and he passed out and everyone was freaking out, and his wife was like, no, he was due for a faint.

[C]

He's just a fainter.

[B]

Just a fainter.

[C]

I know some fainters, but no, no, it really. I don't like. You know, I really. It's like, I don't like losing control. What a big surprise.

[B]

I would. You know, I think what would be most disappointing when I. If I actually ever saw you faint is that it would be way less of a stage faint. Like, I want to watch you act fainting because I think it'd be very funny doing it. But I bet the actual you fainting is scary.

[C]

I've actually fainted a lot in shows, but. Yeah, because it's funny, but when you

[B]

get on a God star in a show, you like, might even write in a faint scene just for the fun

[C]

of it, you know? But in real life, it is. You just kind of put your head on the table and say, don't talk to me,

[B]

funk. All right, so you. Sorry.

[C]

I Don't have my. I'm like, really?

[B]

I feel like, yeah, this is. It's not cool. You're on the sturdy.

[A]

If you're watching this on YouTube, you might faint.

[C]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

You grew up in the D.C. area? I did, but like the hardest property. Not even D.C. area.

[C]

Yeah, not even the area.

[B]

Yeah, this is like dc. Like how far from the capital?

[C]

Downton. I grew up three blocks from the Capitol. Literally.

[A]

Crazy.

[B]

Like you just don't think about people actually growing up there.

[C]

No, it's weird. In fact, yeah, it is weird. And I don't think about it very much, but yeah, I did. And so like stuff like, like, of course I. We only had stick shift cars because it was the 80s, you know. And like my mom taught me to stick shift on Capitol Hill, which is a terrible idea, like at rush hour, you know what I mean? So like learning how to like shift while you're growing up in major, like with a, you know, Rayburn House office building to your right. Strange.

[A]

Well, you get.

[C]

Probably got pretty good at it very, very quickly.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Dignitaries just constantly holding up. Dignitaries sitting senators all honking.

[A]

Were your parents in politics?

[C]

Yeah, my dad was a lobbyist. So yes, you're not allowed to say that anymore, but back then it was not an embarrassing job to say your dad had, but he was a lawyer and he was a campaign manager for a congressman out of Oregon. And yeah, he was in political sphere. And then I think Seth knows this, but it's kind of cool. My dad had like. My parents had three proper chapters. Like they grew up in the Midwest. They came to DC for political adjacent career. Much like people would go to New York for Broadway or LA for film or whatever. And then after we left, after we left, they'd raised us, they retreated. I guess that's not quite the right word. They relocated to New Mexico. And then my dad had a full small town politician life.

[B]

He was the mayor of Corrales, New Mexico.

[C]

He was 2.

[B]

Which is a stone's throw from where my wife grew up.

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

New Mexico.

[C]

It's like a kind of a really rural, groovy town in New Mexico. And he was the mayor and stuff like that. So yeah, I grew up around a lot of politics, big and small.

[B]

I say this with love. Can I just say run this theory by you that people who choose to live in deserts are a little, little weird. Like in a lovable way. And again, my wife's from there. I love my in laws, but like to opt, to opt into desert life is you. You're kind of like I'm a little freaky, just FYI.

[C]

Yeah, I guess it depends where. I mean, I think there's like a strong vein of like American libertarianism that exists because it's people that have like a frontiering capacity to go without water.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, right.

[C]

Type of thing. I don't know. It's beautiful. It is beautiful.

[B]

It's gorgeous. I. But I've kind of learned that there's a. What I've learned from my interactions with desert people is they're going to zig when you think they're going to zag.

[C]

That's fascinating. I find that, frankly. And again, I'll probably get canceled for this. But if this is it, then that's sort of a sad state of affairs. I find Arizona more zagwa zig than New Mexico. I know I have relatives in both states. But I do find it. I find it gorgeous. My son Ulysses, which is he last year did one of the most fantastic old school, 17 year old things you could do, which is he wanted to do high altitude training. I don't know why I put that in quotes, because it was actual. But up in. In New Mexico. Right. So we were looking at all these like, he's a cross country runner and we were looking at these camps in like Colorado and all these places. And where my parents live in Albuquerque is like 7,000, almost 7,000ft. So I was like, you could go live with grandma and granddad. And he was like, okay, cut to my son living in my parents senior retirement community for seven weeks.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

In the summer.

[C]

Last summer.

[B]

I mean, that is. First of all, it's so hot in New Mexico in the summer. So for. But I will say if some. It tells me that Ulysses is serious about cross country running. Because if you wanted to be better, you'd be like, I'm going to go to the highest place that is the most Colorado hot.

[C]

Right. We're like $5,000 for like a week. And you really, for high altitude training, have to be at altitude for a considerable amount of time, supposedly to help acclimate your body. And, you know, plus he gets all the perks of, you know, living in a senior retirement community.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Which obviously are amazing.

[A]

What did he say? What were his like, hangouts with your parents? Was he.

[C]

Well, it was so funny. Cause it was like he was all excited about it. And then because it is so hot as Seth, he was like, so wait, I'm gonna go running at 6. And then I was like, you're gonna start changing someone's password and it'll take you to 4:15 and that's dinner.

[B]

I would say he got, he got everything you would want out of a cross country camp for free, except for anyone to push him physically. You know what I mean? He's like, yeah, the second fastest person he probably met was like, I would say probably 4x to 12x slower than him. Yeah.

[C]

But he did, he did all kinds of things. Like he, he volunteered because again he was like the, he was 17 in a senior community. So he was like the star.

[B]

Right? Healthy. A healthy like with a huge lung.

[C]

Yeah. Just lots of fixing and moving stuff.

[B]

Fantastic. By the way, it's like, it's. It literally he ended up going to like college essay camp. When this is over, just write about this.

[C]

Wait, so he did, you know what he did? He did a podcast. He did a podcast of his own making that was to interview old people. The questions on the Common app, which is the thing you apply for college. And it was amazing. It was like asking, you know, 86 year olds like, what's an, what's a event in your life that really changed a perspective on, you know, like shit that they asked the 17 year olds. And he did this, he. That's what he ended up doing was this like little podcast cast the whole summer and then writing his college essay about that.

[A]

It's great.

[B]

Very smart boy.

[C]

And he made a lot of friends. He made a lot of friends in their 80s, which was pretty great. Like friends that my parents aren't even really friends with. Like people that he would be like, you know, I'm going to the Western Cafe with Don and

[B]

I would say they're going to be lifelong friends, but just on an actuarial.

[C]

It's going to be short lived.

[A]

But yeah, for Don. For Don. For Don.

[B]

Yeah. I think Don Ulysses will be a lifelong.

[C]

But he did volunteer crew on a hot air balloon, which is a very New Mexico.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Like some random person was like, oh, you ought to go with my friend, da da da. And he did. And that was at 5am Just like some weird. And then he said it was great because some of the hot air ballooners had beef with other hot air balloons.

[B]

By the way. I, by the. I have such a crippling fear of heights. Plus balloons.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

That, that the, like the. Even a bigger barrier to entry for me would be some random guy who has beef with other balloons. You're not even up there.

[C]

But as you know, my favorite thing on planet Earth is petty rivalry. So I mean also, Seth, you were in one of my all time. One of my best friend's favorite sketch of all time. So I've.

[B]

I know exactly what you're gonna say. By the way, ahead of it. Hot air balloon mystery theater.

[C]

Yeah. It's one of the funniest stupid sketches we were ever a part of. It was mystery that took place on a hot air balloon.

[A]

I also want to clarify, Seth. You're not. But you're not afraid of a regular helium balloon.

[B]

No. Okay. Just. Just the ones that take you up.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That's a fair legit fear.

[B]

Yeah. Mike Scher. It's a Mike Scher classic. And the reason I think about it all the time is it was. It was a photo in the sno hallway for all my years there, but it was. Mike Scher wrote it. Ian McKellen played a Sherlock Holmes type guy. And it was called Hot air. Yeah. Who was trying to find a killer in the basket of a hot air balloon.

[C]

And every single person. That was peak. All of us just crushing it. Everybody was looking like this. Oh, yes.

[B]

And then I remember there was a chase scene where it was just a lot of people shuffling.

[C]

Everybody running around inside the balloon.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Very fun.

[B]

I like that. I was like, oh, Anna and I, we only overlapped for one year. And that was probably our. That was probably our tippity top working together.

[C]

Sarah Blazon.

[B]

Oh, Sarah Blazon. Yeah.

[C]

You weren't Sarah Blazon.

[B]

I wasn't Sarah Blazon.

[C]

I know. We never wrote together, which is a tragedy.

[B]

It's a tragedy.

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in partnership with Airbnb. I'd like to share a travel story. Well, Pashi, the time has come. We circled the date on the calendar. The NFL schedule is out. We know when we're going to Pittsburgh this year, and Mackenzie is going to join us. Yeah.

[A]

Her first time in Pittsburgh.

[B]

So this is very exciting because now we're seven, and we've got big plans for this trip to Pittsburgh. And one of the biggest parts is that we're just gonna hang out. It's gonna be you and your wife, me and my kids, our parents. We're gonna play games, we're gonna watch movies. We're gonna do a lot of things out, and we're gonna do a lot of stuff in. And every one of our Pittsburgh trips has been made so much better because we have booked a home through Airbnb.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It is.

[A]

We stay in a neighborhood that just allows you and the boys, if you want to run out and go to a toy store. It's just right down the road. And we can hang out and wait for you. We can come with you if we want.

[B]

You haven't been to Pittsburgh until our dad has told you what used to be a pharmacy.

[A]

We know. We know because we've been there.

[B]

Oh, I'm so excited for. Yeah, but mackenzie's going to hear all about it. Yeah. And that'll be good, because I've already heard it. Get to hear it again. Yeah. But you get to discover authentic local experiences, and you get to take a trip with the people you want to take a trip with. And you get to be comfortable in a way you want to be comfortable. And we highly recommend it. Here we go. So you grow up in. You're in D.C. you have one sibling.

[C]

I do.

[B]

Older, Younger?

[C]

Older.

[B]

How much older?

[C]

Steven Gasteyer. Two and a half years.

[B]

Okay. Gotcha. So you're close, you and Steven?

[C]

We are closer than we. Yeah. We're friendly. I would say we're very different. He's an academic. He was in the Peace Corps. He's, like, super actively helping the world, whereas I wear wigs.

[A]

Were you guys. Was it contentious growing up? Were you.

[C]

No, Never been contentious. We've never been contentious, but. But I would say we're closer, weirdly, the older we've gotten. Just because we have more. I don't know, like, just like, helping old people and stuff like that. It kind of kicks in. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

It seems like your son got Stephen. The Stephen helping old people gene.

[C]

He's got a lot of Stephen Gastire in him. He's just really. He's really kind. My brother's definitely the kind sibling. Like, he stays in touch with the other relatives. Like, he reaches out to me. I'm terrible. I'm a terrible correspondent. And.

[B]

Well, you know what? Josh is the Steven. I would say Josh has done a lot better job staying in touch with dark stone.

[C]

Is that true?

[B]

Yeah, to a degree, Josh. I mean, I'm not. I don't.

[A]

My board isn't full of gold stars, but I've. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I think I do a slightly better job. Yeah.

[B]

In. In the. In the contest with me. You're crushing it.

[C]

Well, that's all that matters, by the way.

[A]

Low bar.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. He lives in Michigan. We live. We all. My family's spread out, so it's very American that way. Like, very. Everybody's sort of spread hither and yon. And, you know, that was kind of expected of us. Like, you kind of go where work. Work is.

[A]

And so where would the Goss Dyers go on vacation? Where were you guys getting away to?

[C]

So famously, we. We weren't. My dad was a. Technically a lawyer, but we were not like, super well to do. But so there were a lot. And the family homestead, like Gasteyer. Original German people that came on my dad's side landed in new. Born in Nebraska. So early on, we did a lot of car trips, like, in, like, not. Not well planned and very hot. And we had a VW Bug for a long time. We would drive with two kids and a dog in a VW Bug. I mean, this generation. I know this is like the oldest lament in the world, but literally our activity was the game Mastermind. Do you remember that game with a thousand tiny pieces?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And they're, like, trying to, like, play mini Mastermind while driving across the Great Plains from Washington.

[B]

It's like peg game, right? Little pegs, Teeny, tiny peg game. Yeah.

[C]

I don't even know.

[B]

It feels a little bit like it has the you sunk my battleship Kind of.

[C]

Yes. And my memory of it is only involves like VW exhaust and sort of hot planes air and a little bit of car sickness that. So I. I am not. It didn't become a lifelong favorite game.

[A]

I.

[B]

We are of the generation. When someone talks about pegging, I think they mean playing Mastermind in the back of a. Oh my God, that's station wagon. A long drive.

[C]

That's exactly right.

[B]

And it turns out I will tell you just from some of the side eyed looks I get from my younger writing staff, that is not the pegging.

[C]

They're talking zestier than that. It's a zestier.

[A]

Yeah. Who was the dog that was on that ride?

[C]

Oh God. So, so many dogs. It's so weird that I grew up in like a super city urban area, but we always had my mom. This is insane. My mom bred dogs for a while. It's like fun pastime we had in DC. I. What we went. So I went to the public schools through fourth grade and then we were like sort of airlifted out and shoved across town to these fancy schools that were like expensive. So my mom, I don't know, one of her like money making schemes was to breed dogs. I don't know. My mom was a teacher. It wasn't like. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah, so we had these, we had. We had these really cute. They're called Sealy Ham terriers. They were. Did you ever read the like where the Wild Things Are?

[B]

Sure. Yeah.

[C]

It's a little white terriers. They're sort of like scruffy.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Bodies and so I don't know. We had one, they'd won one of them won the Westminster Dog show and so we got one. And then my mom bred that. She was bred. I guess if you get like a purebred dog you have to breed it by decree or something. And so we ended up having puppies, like a bunch of puppies for a while until they were sold or adopted or whatever. And then by the way, we've always adopted dogs ever since. And then we had like. We found a collie in. In the middle of downtown D.C. so we had her for a while and then we had. We. My mom, they adopted a rescue whippet for my brother who farted constantly. He was like super skinny and super gassy. Like just. It was. Anyway, it was just a real menagerie whip.

[B]

It also sounds like the name, the sound it would make.

[C]

He just like shook all the time and farted. He had a bad life. I mean, I think we saved him from his sad, like, dog racing life, but I'm not sure it was much of an improvement.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

You know what I mean?

[B]

So what? He's like. If he could talk, he'd be like, oh, this is because of what happened before I met you.

[C]

Yeah, 100 or. I don't even. He also. I don't know how smart he was, to be honest. I think he just was sort of a lot of internalized trauma.

[A]

So he was an athlete. He was just an athlete first.

[C]

He was a broken athlete. He had been bred too early. So, yeah, so we just had a variety of dogs. And then we would drive. My grandparents lived in the Midwest, so we would drive. So to visit them. They. But they died when I was pretty young. So then. But then after that, we would drive to New Bra, to Nebraska, to see these two old spinster aunts. Like out of a, you know, wizard of Oz or something. They both. They were like little. They were named Aunt Henrietta and Aunt Winifred. And they had a tiny, tiny little farm in Loop City, Nebraska. And they had a barn that was complete, like, at 45 degrees angle and a big old green stew to Baker. And the only. You would go to Phillips 76 for dinner. That would, like, be the big event because the Phillips had, like, a little, like, restaurant. And so we would drive and visit them. And then we did a few, like, great American car trips, like the Grand Canyon and the Grand Tetons and the Badlands and a bunch of those things, which I'm super psyched that we did, because we saw a lot of, like, American, you know, national parks and things like that.

[B]

I do want to double back to the fact that you had aunts that were sketch comedy characters and they look really apple faces

[A]

and they live together.

[C]

They live together. And my dad referred to him as his spinster aunts.

[B]

And nobody knew, like, who they were related to or whether or not they

[C]

were actually related to my grandfather. I think they were probably my grandfather's sisters, but I didn't know.

[B]

But when you showed up, they did know who you guys were. They weren't just.

[C]

Yeah, they knew who we were. I mean, I don't really remember. We were young, but. And very, very hot, you know, because, remember, it was a. I want to reiterate, a VW Bug driving from Washington, D.C. probably like that diesel quality. Yeah. And there was no ac. Right. It was probably like an AM radio.

[B]

I think when you see a VW Bug now, and I think it gives you a pang of nostalgia and you might Wish you had one. But nobody wishes they had one to drive from D.C. to Nebraska.

[C]

No.

[A]

Yeah, not the old.

[B]

The old variety.

[A]

Like there are newer ones. Our mother had one that was like the last bug that they made.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

They have the little well in the back. Do you remember the little well?

[B]

I don't know if the modern ones had the. Well, the shape was the classic shape.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I do want to. Just because we're talking about spinster aunts.

[C]

Sure, sure.

[B]

Just give a quick shout out to Cluster Funk Christmas.

[C]

Oh my gosh.

[B]

In this era where there's so many TV shows, our listeners might have missed the Rachel.

[C]

If they like holiday.

[B]

Holiday classic.

[C]

Yeah, they like Holiday Fair. Dratch and I wrote a parody of the holiday Hallmark movies called A Cluster Funk Christmas. And we play the sisters Cluster Funk.

[B]

Which is, it's really wonderful.

[C]

It's really fun to do. We, we have another one which I'm really hoping we get to do. We wrote a second one where the spinster ants go to a. You know, a lot of these holiday movies. It'll be like a made up European country. So we go to a tiny European nation and we and the two princes inexplicably fall in love with some middle aged ladies.

[B]

Oh, great.

[C]

Because that's the standard of beauty there. But we go for a strudel contest.

[B]

Oh, you, you go to a wet concert.

[A]

A strudel.

[C]

Compete in an international strudel competition.

[B]

Sure, of course. Yeah.

[C]

As you do. But I'm dying to make it because there's, there's a really good part for you.

[A]

Great. You're very queen of Christmas. I was, I was gonna say I didn't know when we were gonna brush against it, but Sugar and Booze, your Christmas album.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Is so good. Yeah. I came to your show when you were at the Bourbon Room, which is since shut down in Los Angeles, and I like, I, I looked up, I like googled last Christmas, like, oh, is she coming again? Is she doing it again?

[C]

Coming this year? I'm coming.

[A]

Oh, great. Well then, yeah, maybe.

[C]

I can't remember a good venue in LA. I have two nights there.

[A]

It's. I will, I will 100% come. It was, you know, I love, I love Christmas and I love Christmas shows and I love getting tickets to sort of unique things. And I've like, I've seen the LA Philharmonic play along with Home Alone at the Walt Disney Concert Hall. I've done that a couple times. It's amazing. It's wonderful. If you haven't done it, you must but your show is also, like. It is top level holiday entertainment. And also you have so many friends that I'm friends with. And it's just so nice to see, like, your Mike Hitchcocks and your people. Like that.

[C]

It has such a. Thank you for saying that. And I'm so happy that it gives people a sense of tradition because it really is rooted in that. And every year I'm like, are people sick of this yet? But the nice thing about holiday is that it is. It grants you this culture tradition. It grants you the right to revisit something and to be sort of to. We have so few kind of common rituals like that. I feel that it's really nice to be able to do that, you know, together and. And enjoy the same moments together. So I. I love it. I love Tor. We have a lot of dates on the calendar. We're also playing, if you like symphonic. We're also. I'm also doing the Long Beach Symphony this year. I know that's out there. So that's. If some of those. Some of the songs we have now have symphonic charts. So there's a few symphonic. So fun numbers, which is so fun. Again, you know me, I try to like nothing cornier and more hilarious and old school than to like, make the orchestra do bits with you, which is my favorite.

[A]

So they must love it too. That must be so fun.

[C]

They're always resistant and then they love it. Yeah. I did Boston Pops a couple years ago and it was like, mind blowing to have. You know, I was. And it. Cause just shtick. It's just literally recycled old bits. But it's very, very fun.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Did you. When you said the great American road trip to the Grand Canyon and to the Badlands and Teton, was that also in the vw? Yeah. So what is. What. How long is a drive? Is that like. How many nights are you staying to Montana?

[C]

I mean, I don't. I don't have to ask my parents, like, was it.

[B]

Was it. Did it feel rollicking or did it feel like just a sludge across the sludge.

[C]

100 sludge. Okay. Miserable.

[A]

I remember.

[C]

I must. We must have taken another car because I. We had a Super Beetle.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

For a while anyway. All I remember is like a mound of stuff and then a bottle of Jim Beam, which my parents would. We would get to like a motel and they would. They would get like the ice and put it in the sink and the little plastic cups and have a little Jim Beam. Yeah, I have a strong memory of that. I mean, I don't remember it like in a negative way. I mean, I'm. It just wasn't.

[B]

I mean, I think all road trips in the end probably are more.

[C]

You know, my brother and sister in law, like, are the most passionate road trippers. They drive from Michigan here. They drive from Michigan. He teaches at Michigan State University. I'm always stunned by it because I'm good for about four hours and then, you know, kick off like one book on tape and then I'm, you know, my butt starts hurting and I'm done.

[B]

I. Based on who you are as a person, I could picture the gossipers like, like show tunes and. And whatnot. But it doesn't seem like maybe you guys were that family.

[C]

We had like an AM radio. It was.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

So could you even find, like, would you find a music station on the AM radio or just to have some.

[C]

I really wish I had better stories. I think we.

[A]

Yeah, no, that's okay.

[C]

Probably sang like 99 bottles of beer on the wall.

[B]

Yeah, that's it. That's how you know things are dire.

[A]

Yeah, that's rough. That's what the gym beam's for.

[C]

Yeah, totally. I mean, my family. Do you guys do car trips with your kids at all or families?

[B]

We don't. I would say four is about the limit. That what that we do. I don't think we've done anything longer than that.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, I drove cross country, but just me and my dog. So that's different. That's a whole different.

[C]

That's a whole different thing. That's a different book.

[B]

Did you. Have you done it with your two kids? Do you and Charlie take them on the road?

[C]

We. So, because I. We tour. When I tour as a singer or I'm sure you just stand up or whatever. Like, I've done years where I've tried to arrange it around regions. So like we had an amazing trip. That was Memphis, Tallahassee, Tampa, like sort of the south, like Georgia and whatever. I guess you would call that the panhandle, where we'll do those drives so that like. So you can drive up the Florida Central highway, which sounds insane, but like there's. You can stop and see alligators and like, there's a ton of like crazy good southern cooking and things like that. So we'll have trips like that. And we've done a fair amount of western because as I mentioned, my. A lot of Charlie's family lives in Arizona and then I have family in New Mexico. So we've driven. Like, we did an amazing trip One year where we went from Albuquerque, there's a lot of like there's Carlsbad Caverns. I don't know if you've ever done that. Which are these buried caves and then White Sands. Have you ever done that, Seth?

[B]

No, it's talked about it all the time. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. If you're ever in New Mexico, it's a good getaway from your in laws and it's also, it's really weird and beautiful. Yeah, we did that drive and then we drove to Marfa. We drove down to Tucson and then to Marfa along wherever that is in Texas. The bottom of Texas basically.

[B]

Now what, what are the vibes in the car with your kids? I mean obviously this is a different era.

[C]

Yeah, different era. I do like a ton of research on a fun bonding book on tape. Like a Tony Hillerman. I did Tony Hillerman mystery. That way nobody listens but me. And then I talk about it the whole time.

[B]

We, I mean I, I wonder if it's just then I'm like, I just

[C]

loved the book how I'm that lady, you know. These red rocks remind me of that one scene.

[B]

We did do books on tape when we would go on drives, when we would go, we would go skiing and it was like four hour drives to go skiing and we'd wake up, crack of dawn and we'd get in the car and we would listen to books on tape and I mean obviously pre phones there were no distractions otherwise. And I loved it.

[C]

I know we did. We actually read Hatchet, you know that one where the kid gets lost in the wilderness. Anyway, that's a good YA book. We listened. So with my parents we drove to Durango once just to see like an old, old western town. Yeah. We've done some field trips in New Mexico too. And there's a lot of like Chaco Canyon and like those cool. There's some, there's some wild like prehistoricy, not prehistoric but you know, ancient ruins and things like that which are cool in New Mexico. But yeah, I.

[B]

My book on tape thing and Josh, tell me if you think this is true. Like I aspired as a kid to have the same taste as my parents, as our parents. Like I wanted to like the things they liked.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I, I would like push myself to like maybe get past the initial like resistance to like listening to like, like Jeeves and Worcester Wooster stories until I sort of fell in love with them. Whereas I feel like my kids, anything, anytime, I'm like, I like this. They're like you by the way you

[C]

were probably like that too. And then later you have appreciation for it. Do you know what I mean? You don't remember that you were. You were probably scowling.

[B]

I don't think I was scowling about it, though. I really don't. Whereas I feel like they. I don't know, I just feel like we, like, like even today, like my parents are visiting and I just have like saved. I feel like I get Instagram reels or like TikTok. I just save all the things they suggested to me and it's all like. Like Don Rickles clips or old Golden Girls clips or thing like Bob Newhart clips. Like, things they liked and that I liked. And then the algorithms suggesting it to me and I'm showing it back to them. And I just worry that my kids don't care about my taste.

[C]

They don't like Don Rickles?

[B]

No, man. They will eventually. They'll get it.

[A]

I think your kids are a little too young also. I think that we, you know, your kids have so much more access to audiobooks now.

[B]

Like, they listen there.

[A]

Your eldest, Seth, like, actively listens to audiobooks. And it was sort of. We didn't.

[B]

That's true. So he understands even know about them. We didn't know that they existed. Right. My mom would have to go to the library and get a bunch of cassettes.

[A]

Tapes. Yeah.

[C]

We listened to a lot of comedy albums.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

My generation. Our whole generation did. I mean, that's something you could probably play for the one who does like audiobooks. You know, you just slip them in there. It is. My curiously. My mom loves audiobooks. Loves them. That I actually keep. I have to. It's a whole thing. I have to like, keep the audible credits coming because she's. She listens to them all day long. All day long. Yeah. Which is great.

[B]

Real quick question. I know we've talked about it before. If you listen to a book on an audiobook, would you tell people you've read it? Would you use the. The word red?

[C]

Great question. I tend to flip in between.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So that's fair again. Yeah. It depends on your level of engagement, I would say.

[B]

I think that's true. I think that's based on how much you're actually listening.

[C]

So now Kindle does this thing, which is kind of great, where you can whisper sync. So like.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Right. So if you, like, get to the point in the book, then, like, I'll do it a lot. Like when I'm making dinner or doing dishes or whatever. And then I just listen to My book while I'm, you know.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Doing some other task.

[B]

And then at night you read the book.

[C]

Yeah. And then for a while I would pin. I would. Which, like, I could only go on the treadmill if I was listening to the thing. Like, I would try to tag, you know, habit combine or whatever that's called.

[B]

I think that's right.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Habit combined. I think we should start it. If it's not what people are saying, I like it.

[C]

There's a better. It's a better. There's a better term for it.

[A]

It's not multitask.

[C]

It's not multitasking. It's like letting. It's basically to develop a habit, put something nice with the habit that you don't like. So that's like, okay, I don't want to go to the gym, but if I, whatever. If I listen to the cereal podcast or, you know, family trips with the Myers brothers, I can only listen to it when I'm on the treadmill. So it gives you like a motivation. Yeah.

[B]

Is it habit stacking?

[C]

Habit stacking. Did you Google that?

[B]

I did. I wasn't gonna pretend like I just came up with it. Both of you like the way Josh was like.

[A]

Yeah. No, it's just like you're always googling. You can always see when Seth is in the middle of an interview, he

[C]

goes like, there's a quick checkout in it.

[B]

Uh huh.

[C]

Habit stacking. But I don't actually think habit stacking. I mean, this could not be more boring, but I don't actually think it covers it. It's about putting something.

[B]

Yeah. Yours is trying. Yours is like habit soothing. You're like, you're like you're stacking to soothe.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. It's a sooth stack. Is that good, Josh? Soothe stack.

[A]

Yeah, it's great.

[B]

Yeah, thanks.

[A]

You can, you can even trademark that one because no one wants it.

[B]

Sue stack. If you Google suit stack, I hope it says I came up with it. Really.

[C]

I have a really good friend and this is not at all what we're talking about. I'm just going to say it, but I was really. We're not that organized because of show business ruining every vacation always. And. Or just like having to integrate a lot of our travel around work, like just sort of making the whole thing kind of paste itself together. Which I realized might just be a me problem. But we have a good friend and there's something I wish I'd always done which was such a great. When, you know, there's school holidays, there's like the winter holiday and then the spring break or whatever. The midwinter and the spring. And every midwinter they would do an American city and every spring they would do an international place for travel, which I always thought was so cool. Like, it's just a cool way to like define making sure your kids see the world, you know?

[A]

Yeah. It's also just a good way to put a marker out there.

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Yeah, Sufi. How are you?

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Here go. Do you feel like you have a peak vacation you took with you with your children? Like if you said if we were to ask them, like, what's the greatest family trip you guys ever took?

[C]

Oh my God. I. I think that Marfa trip was pretty cool. It does sound pretty cool because we saw so many. It was well. Or like it was well planned. Like it was the perfect ratio of like driving to interesting, weird things. The food was great and we. It was like a good combination of like. We stayed at a hotel called the Dusty Boots. For some reason my son always brings up Dusty Boots.

[A]

That's great.

[B]

You know, we have my. Our parents once ate at a restaurant called Crabby Bills. And I feel like it's just like completely entered our vernacular. It's what we call someone who's be in a bad mood. They're crabby.

[C]

Oh, but you gotta pop by Crappy Bills. Yeah, that's like on the way up to Cape Cod. They have that old English lettering. You know when. Because to indicate that you're in an old timey place and you always know you're close when you hit the oyster half. We're almost there. Hey guys. It's the oyster house, stupid. But yeah, I would think. I think my Kids probably really enjoyed that. And we did, like, we did London. I had never. Weirdly, I've only been to London once, so I sort of had a moment of like, we have to go to London because nobody's ever been to London. But it wasn't like our. I mean, we did a lot of, like, activities on that and we did, like, Sherlock Holmes house and like, some cool, you know, a lot of Harry Potter and stuff like that. But I. I bet my kids really loved that, that trip the most. I don't know. My son is, like, super happy. Just like. Like some years I, you know, just renting, like, a big, dumb suburban house. Like, sometimes we've done that because my family's spread out and I'll be like, we're all going to Phoenix. Phoenix. And I gotta, you know, I got a pool and a basketball hoop, you know, and some. Sometimes those trips are, like, more successful. People not in their own space. And so nobody's, like, feeling responsible or, like, they have to fix things or plan things or. You know. Some of those trips are weirdly the most relaxing.

[B]

It is true. Like, I think sometimes when you take your kids on a vacation to someplace that everybody is going on vacation, like, that's when you're in a tiny hotel room and the vibe is like, all right, guys, let's. We gotta get out of.

[C]

Get the most bang. Yeah.

[B]

Whereas, like, if you go to a bigger house where there's a foosball table, you know, heaven, they're just like, yeah. And they don't want to leave.

[C]

In fact, that was a Christmas. And I, like, fully. I just. I just. Basically everything we ate was from Costco. I was like, we're getting everything in the first Costco run and we're all going to enjoy it. Yeah. And then we did a lot of puzzles and movies. It was great.

[B]

It sounds really good.

[A]

Do you guys play games? Are you more puzzled? Okay.

[C]

What do you play games? I'm like an old sort of alcoholic who enjoys a late night puzzle. Like, you know, just like, I'm gonna stay up and try to get this corner.

[A]

Do you have a big. Do you have a big spatula?

[C]

No. What do I need the spatula for?

[A]

I heard of this group of puzzlers that I think Kevin Nealon's actually part of and Jack McBrayer. And they have, like, a huge spatula, like an oversized spatula, to, like, move a section of the puzzle that is ready and you can move it over in front of yourself and be like, I'm gonna work on this section. Now.

[C]

But it's like brilliant.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I've. I've been. I've spent a lot of years and unsuccessfully so trying to figure out like the perfect puzzle table vibe, you know, what can move with you sections. That's. That's great. I love. I can go into a really happy place. I dream one day of having like a. Just a, like being that kind of person. I was just like the puzzle area of my home. So I puzzle. Everybody says they're interested. They do two pieces takes. They usually take credit at the end. You know, that's the other thing. Yeah. Like, hey, I finished it. Nothing more enraging to somebody who's been working on it for four days. But we do play a ton of games. Yeah. I love games in the summer especially.

[A]

What's your go to?

[C]

I like all word. Okay. So I like all word related games. I love like categories and like Listicle and Balderdash.

[B]

Are you a Balderdash family?

[C]

Love Balderdash. And actually one of the reasons I love Balderdash is it's because of the way that, that it's a very well designed game for multiple ages.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So that you can deliberately pick the definition that the nine year old will get. You know what I mean?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Or won't get or whatever. It's nice. So you can like play with lots of different people. I've had lots of fun. I don't like games that are. I don't like Mafia or like Traitors. I don't like things where I have to like lie to people.

[B]

I hate it.

[C]

Yeah, I hate it.

[B]

I hate it. I've always hated it.

[C]

Me too. I feel so validated right now.

[B]

I hate the way I remember. I think I maybe just played once in my life and just, just everybody. The way people are like, look at me. I'm your friend. Would I lie to you? I'm like, of course you would.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

It's the game.

[C]

Like, what are we doing here? And I hate when I am the traitor. Like, and it's, it's upsetting because it's so in now. Like, not like, I'm sure people say to you like, you should go on Traders. I'm like, absolutely never. And I know whole friend groups. I mean, you probably know them. Josh, like my friend Tony, the one who loves hotter mystery balloon theater like that, that like his entire friend group is organized around mafia that I was. And every time I go to LA and I stay with him, I have to like participate in. And I like also I don't like playing games where you can't chat a little bit. I like the social aspect, so I don't like it when people are like, shut up. Like that.

[B]

A lot of arts.

[C]

Because people get, like, people playing bridge and stuff. They get really serious. Like, you can't.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

There's no chit chat. I like to.

[A]

I love Jenga for that reason. Jenga's great because you're just sort of. You have this thing in front of you, but there's. There's no conversation has to stop. It just.

[B]

It keeps moving. But I like Hearts in that you play a round of hearts and then you. You talk during.

[C]

That's true.

[B]

The show. Like, I. I'm fine with that, but,

[C]

you know, and hearts can go on for hours, which I like about it.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Like, if you wanted to play Hearts, if it was raining at, like, a beach day, you could totally play Hearts all day and be fine.

[B]

It's a rainy beach day where I am and my parents are visiting, and we've already played Hearts.

[C]

I love it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Swinging back to your. The national park trip with your family.

[B]

Do you.

[A]

Were your parents, like, let's get into the Grand Tetons. Let's really, like, hike in here. Are you guys sort of going to parking lots?

[C]

Vistas.

[B]

Vista points near the big.

[A]

Yeah, near the big stuff.

[C]

And like, are you a hiking family or a Vista Point family?

[A]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[C]

We were a Vista Point family, and I still am a Hista Point Vista Point family, which is weird because, like, our best family friends who we travel with, we made. We ski with them. And I love it early on, they're, like, really avid skiers, and I hadn't skied. Sorry. I'm going a field. May I go a field? Permission to go a field?

[A]

Permission granted.

[C]

So I feel like you'll enjoy this. So we skied on and off. Growing up. East coast skiing, as you know, is. Is kind of a show. It's really icy. Like, there'd be, like, school trips and stuff. And anyway, I wasn't, like, an accomplished skier, but I enjoyed it. And then my. At Northwestern, where we all went to college, my RA had grown up in Utah, and so my. My sophomore year, he was like, hey, come. Come to Utah and we'll all ski for spring break. We did. We, like, went and lived in his. His basement and skied super cheap, super fun. Anyway, then I met my husband, who has incredibly strongly held opinions. Like, he doesn't have a lot of them, but they are passionate and deeply meaningful. To him. So he denounced skiing early on. Like, I met him when I was 23. So he's like, I hate skiing. We will never ski. I hate the mountains. I hate Alpine architecture. I hate. I hate anything that has to do with me. I was like, great. Got it. Obviously not going to push this. Who cares? And then 30 years later, I was 49. My best friend was like, hey, we have a ski house. And our boys were best friends, and they were the same age. And, you know, like, boys, you're like, what are you gonna do for. It was like a vacation coming up. And she was like, come stay with us. It's super fun. It's in Montana. It's so beautiful. The boys aren't ski school all day. They'll have the greatest time. And I was like, okay, but my husband really hates it. And then the dad was like, I hate skiing, too. I just ski in the morning. And then I like, like, cook and make beer and drink beer in the afternoon. Charlie's like, great, I'll do the beer and, like, cooking part anyway, by the way, we get there, 30 years lapse between the two times, and skiing is like a bicycle. If you've done it, you get up pretty quickly again and you're like, oh, wait, I kind of remember how to do this. And my husband. We're on. We got like a teacher the first day just to, like, get our. And the teacher's like, so we really want to make sure that our weight is downhill, you know, whatever. And he's like, like, for example, look at Charlie. And here comes Susie fucking chapstick. He was like a European, Austrian, like, heading to. I was like, what? You hate it and you're amazing at it. Like, it's so not fair anyway. But the same family loves travel, and they're really, like, good at it. And, you know, you're like the organized friend who's, like, great at planning the trips and everything. And so she quickly. And it was terrible because it was like the wrong brand. Like, they just assumed because we did the skiing part that we would want to do the, like, Galapagos and, like, you know, inner basin of the Teton trip, which we just really are not. So I've just done nothing but disappoint that friend pretty much ever since.

[A]

I will say that's such an interesting

[B]

to say because I don't like skiing, but I do like Alpine architecture. I think that's the burn on me.

[C]

There you go. That's the burn.

[B]

I'd love to live in a. I want to Live at a sea level ski house.

[C]

Oh, well, that's like just an A frame. Yeah.

[B]

But like, I really want to make all my like beach neighbors mad at me. Like, I want to have like a beautiful chalet. A chalet, like a coastal chalet that just like is a. Is a real eyesore. And I just want to be. I want to always be in my front porch drinking cocoa and mulled wine.

[C]

But you want it cold at the beach. I don't understand. Is it a seaside?

[B]

I don't want it cold. I just want it to be. I just want it to be unnerving for people who like the beach. I just want to make their day a little bit. I want them to be as confused as you are now all the time.

[C]

Okay, got it. And will you be wearing like a tight Nordic sweater?

[B]

I don't think so. It's a great question. I don't think so. I know because I don't want to be uncomfortable. So I think I'm just in. Maybe it's like, yeah, I'm in a swim. Swim trunks drinking but like iced mulled wine and, and, and. And steaming, steaming hot cocoa. But it maybe is just a prop. It might just be a regular mug that just. I've. I've rigged to have steam come out of it so that people are just.

[C]

Oh, that's perfect. You can get a little dry ice.

[B]

Yeah. Little dry ice. And that's a good.

[C]

Just a piss. When they walk by with their surfboards, just go, how the slopes today?

[B]

I definitely am not gonna have skis up. I definitely.

[C]

It.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

May I ask, were you in Whitefish Mountain or Big sky in Montana?

[C]

Big sky, which I love.

[A]

Yeah. I've never. I've not been, but I hear it's gotten very shishi.

[C]

But it wasn't even when we went 10 years ago.

[A]

Yeah. Whitefish. Whitefish is a little town I've been to. Sort of right near Glacier National Park. But I've not been there in the winter. But it. I feel like it's sort of as a little hit more hidden gem than Big sky.

[C]

But that's what they say. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's beautiful.

[A]

Yeah, I bet.

[C]

Like really beautiful. And mountain true mountains glorious.

[A]

Montana. Montana is great.

[C]

Nuts. Yeah.

[B]

Anna. It is. Thank you so much for joining us. It is always lovely to see you, but you're not off the hook yet.

[C]

Great.

[B]

Because Josh is going to hit you with our round of speed. Round. Lightning round.

[A]

Okay, here we go. You can only pick one of these. Is your ideal vacation. Relaxing Adventurous or educational?

[C]

Educational.

[A]

What is your favorite means of transportation?

[C]

Like, to a trip? Sorry, I know it's a speed round.

[A]

No, just a. How your favorite way to get around. It could be different.

[B]

Point A to point B.

[A]

Could be walking. Could be an airplane, car, or bicycle. If you could take a vacation with any family, alive or dead, real or fictional, other than your own family, what family would you like to take a vacation with?

[C]

Oh, my God, I'm terrible at this.

[A]

It's a hard one.

[C]

Well, because the only family I can think of right now is the Kennedys, but I don't want to go on vacation with them.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Bad stuff happens.

[C]

Yeah. I feel like it's just a bad scene.

[B]

Right. Maybe family that old, that. That mtv vj Kennedy, maybe go with her. George Kennedy, the actor?

[C]

No, no. And I gotta think of a different family.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Charlie and the chocolate factory's family.

[B]

Yep. Great. Yeah.

[A]

Charlie Bucket.

[B]

The Buckets. Great. Yeah.

[A]

If you had to be stranded on a desert island because, you know.

[B]

You know. And by the way, before he won. Before he won the golden ticket, you want to go with the buckets Pre like that. You want to go with the real. The. The poor buckets. You want to travel with them. Like four grandparents, one bed. That's your bucket vacation.

[C]

I just think Grandpa Joe was game.

[B]

He was game, right?

[C]

And he was always down for the adventure.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And Charlie was a very compliant child.

[B]

Grandpa Joe, if he had been at that New Mexico retirement home, would go running with ulysses.

[C]

I think 100%. He would have been in the balloon.

[B]

He would be. Yeah, exactly. Following. He would be in the follow balloon.

[A]

If you had to be stranded on a desert island with one member of your family, who would it be?

[C]

One member.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That's really hard because this is like Sophie's Choice now.

[B]

Oh, so it's definitely not Charlie. Well, Sophie's choice, famously being a choice between two children.

[C]

That's true. I mean, I guess it would be my husband because he's very resourceful. But I have to say, as a foursome, we are very compatible. I feel very lucky that way. Like, it's a pretty agreeable bunch.

[A]

That's good.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, they're old. My kids are old.

[A]

What is. And that's why you get along. You didn't get along when they were little.

[C]

Meaning. We're sort of. We've. We're. We're. We've been through a lot of briar patches. Like, we're on the fun side. We're like at the most awesome side of Teenagerness, which is where they're pretty self aware and they know themselves and they're super independent. So.

[B]

Yeah, great.

[C]

The only sad thing is they move out once they're really easy to be around.

[B]

Yeah, of course.

[C]

Yeah, it's really sad.

[B]

Brutal.

[A]

But then it'll be that much more special when you go on vacations with them in the future.

[C]

I want to go on vacation and. And I also just literally want to buy like a duplex and have everybody live in it together. Like, truly. I don't. I'm not gonna be able to pull it off, but I'm gonna try.

[A]

What is your dream destination for a family vacation?

[C]

I really would like to do. This isn't the question you're asking. I'm a terrible guest. I apologize. I would like next to do one of those like, like biking through Norway or like, you know, I'd like to sort of do Ireland or. But I like to have like a bike. A little activity with some history and a shitload of good food.

[A]

Yeah, that's a. That's an excellent answer.

[B]

I want to do that. A bike through Norway sounds.

[C]

I don't know, Norway. Like I'm just like, like a cute bucolic area. Slovenia, I don't care. Just like little, little castles and inns. Food, cheese, wine, and a small amount of physical activity. So you feel, you know, like you're taking.

[A]

Taking in the view and you are from. Is Washington D.C. your hometown?

[C]

It is.

[A]

If you had to get more families to come visit Washington D.C. how would you sell that town?

[C]

Oh boy. This is. Well, the biggest thing is this, recent events notwithstanding, the Smithsonian is free.

[B]

Yeah, that's good.

[C]

The Smithsonian is free. I mean, it is a. For years. I mean, depending on what's going on in Washington. It is. Those museums are incredible. And I grew up going to them on with amazing regularity because I grew up right around them and they were like what you would do on a Saturday because they are free. So anybody that number of birthday parties that you would have at like the Air and Space Museum or the Natural History Museum, they're incredible. The art museums, all of them have lunch, you know, whatever. So it's a good reason to go somewhere. Even the zoo is free there.

[B]

Great. Perfect score.

[A]

And then Seth has.

[C]

I feel validated.

[B]

I know the question was, have you been to the Grand Canyon? I know the answer is yes, but there is a follow up. And the follow up is, was it worth it?

[C]

Yeah, it's absolutely worth it.

[B]

Okay, great.

[C]

I actually think I'm gonna go further Than that. Which is to say, have you done Chaco Canyon or have you done. I think it's called Choco Canyon.

[A]

There's Canyon Duche. Is. Is like out.

[C]

What are the two big.

[B]

I know. Canyon dsha. That's what he was called in high school. Now he's Choco Canyon. It.

[C]

That was his second album.

[B]

When he got to college, he's like, call me Chaco Canyon. All right. Just wanted to reinvent himself.

[C]

Wait. Somebody look it up. Mr. Looking up. Mr. Look up. The two. Look at the. Look, it's the. There are two ancient sites in New Mexico. One is Chaco Canyon and the other

[B]

one is Chaco Pueblo, Bonito. Casa Rincanada.

[C]

Nope. Okay, you can edit this.

[B]

No, this is good. I just want people to know how good I am at googling.

[C]

And just. Can it make more of a clicking sound, please, with your fingers?

[B]

Mesa. Verde.

[C]

Yeah, Mesa Verde. And what does it say about Mesa Verde?

[B]

Often the one of the two that is forgotten compared to Chaco Canyon. Mesa Verde has to be Googled. Mesa Verde is in southwest Colorado. It's known for its well preserved ancestral Puebloan cliff dwellings, notably the huge cliff palace. The Chapin Mesa Archaeological Museum has exhibits on the ancient Native American culture. Mesa top, loop road winds past.

[C]

Good. No, you're done. But super interesting. And also Choco is interesting. What does it say about Choco?

[A]

Oh, you're gonna make him read again?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, went so poorly last time.

[B]

No, this is good. Choco Canyon, born canyon to Cheyenne. Is. Is great. All it says is it's great.

[C]

Really?

[B]

Usually there's more. Usually there's more information.

[C]

It doesn't seem like a lot of fun.

[A]

It says.

[B]

It says it doesn't pay for deep Google. I'm just gonna read what it says and you guys can judge me. Like, not worth Googling. You have to see it to believe it.

[C]

Three stars.

[B]

Three. Three out of five.

[C]

One of the best bets in the world.

[B]

Love you, Anna.

[A]

Love you. Congrats on. On schmigadoon and I'll see you this Christmas. Can't wait.

[C]

Family chips with the money.

[A]

Grew up right near the Capitol

[C]

Learn

[A]

to drive stick where streets are full and while she might not pop the clutch her brother Steven stays in touch

[B]

he'll have a chat and call them back.

[A]

Drove to Nebraska from D.C. with a whippet who was gassy Kept whipping out those nasty toots memorable as dusty boots One's a spell, one's a motel Sometimes just rents a big dumb house Stock up on Costco don't go out for puzzles.

[B]

She's the only one.

[A]

But they show up when it's all done.

[C]

Look what I did.

[B]

Damn those kids.

[A]

In the kitchen. When Anna cooks, she listens to audiobooks with Googling. We got from Sue. He says that it's a habit, Sue.

[C]

I take that back.

[A]

It's a habit. Stack, habit, stack, habit, stack. Sue thinks the Grand Canyon is whack after a long drive.

[C]

Know what's nice?

[A]

A cup of Jimmy Moba ice.