GOOD CHARLOTTE Can't Get Enough of Australia

Summary

Family Trips with the Meyers Brothers

Episode: GOOD CHARLOTTE Can't Get Enough of Australia
Hosts: Seth Meyers & Josh Meyers
Guests: Benji & Joel Madden (Good Charlotte)
Release Date: September 2, 2025

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Overview

In this lively episode, Seth and Josh Meyers sit down with Benji and Joel Madden, twin brothers, bandmates, and co-founders of Good Charlotte, to discuss childhood mischief, growing up in rural Maryland, their unbreakable brotherly bond, style evolution (or lack thereof), international touring, family, and their special connection with Australia. The Maddens open up about touring, parenting, creativity, the joys and weirdness of promotion, and the stories behind their music and personal journeys. As always, the conversation is peppered with sibling banter and memorable stories—with plenty of humor and heartfelt moments.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Opening Banter and Life Updates

• [00:00-06:39]
  • Seth describes performing at a zoo in Seattle, worrying about both animal and audience reactions.
    • “If a person has a hyena laugh… last place you should come to see comedy is a zoo.” —Seth [01:22]
  • Josh shares excitement about attending a Backstreet Boys concert at the Vegas Sphere, discussing the dedication (and temptation) that comes with being a true fan.
    • “I opened Ticketmaster to buy more tickets, but I was like, what am I doing? Like, I’ve seen them.” —Josh [04:20]
  • Brotherly ribbing about spoilers and concert etiquette.

Introducing Good Charlotte: The Madden Brothers Join

• [07:40–08:16]
  • The two sets of brothers joke about how confusing it is for listeners to tell their voices apart:
    • “Everyone listening is gonna at no point know if there are four or two people on this podcast.” —Seth [07:53]
  • They confirm this is their first real conversation, leading to immediate rapport and sibling banter.

Sibling Dynamics & Twin Tricks

• [11:02-15:36]
  • The Maddens share about their family: two brothers, one sister, all spaced 18 months apart.
  • Stories of tag-teaming, switching places for fun (and sometimes out of necessity), and taking the fall for each other.
    • “I definitely took a few whoopings for Joel.” —Benji [12:31]
    • “We still do it. There’s definitely interviews out there that are me that really Joel did, and vice versa.” —Benji [13:06]
  • Mother dressed them identically (“sailor suits until we were old enough to stop it” —Joel [15:19]), leading to jokes about looking like haunted dolls from the 1930s and The Shining twins.

Style Evolution… or Lack Thereof

• [18:53-22:36]
  • Discussion of how their personal fashion developed independent from “punk band” trends.
    • “We were more influenced by uncles and bikers than bands.” —Benji [19:28]
    • “Stylists tried, but we always end up wearing what we wore in that day.” —Benji [20:38]
  • Both married to stylish women, but wives generally let them dress as they wish.
  • Preference for consistent looks:
    • “Our style hasn’t changed much... I think that’s how it is sometimes.” —Joel [21:27]
    • “If you Google me and look at some of the shit I tried to pull off… there’s some awkward pictures in there.” —Joel [32:59]

Growing Up Madden: Waldorf, Maryland & Family Life

• [27:01-31:13]
  • Childhood in southern Maryland, surrounded by rivers, woods, and far from the city.
  • Family didn’t travel much; main vacations were to a nearby theme park, King’s Dominion.
    • “We never really took family vacations, I want to say. Once, we went and visited my uncle in Alabama.” —Benji [36:31]
  • Memories of riding old scooters, penny candy missions to the country store, and early independence.
• Rural upbringing fostered close-knit family and inventive ways to entertain themselves.

Punk Roots & Early Touring

• [38:07-42:39]
  • The impact of being “green” and isolated until breaking out as a band:
    • “We’d never been anywhere before. By the time we started seeing shit, doing 300 shows a year was nothing—we loved it.” —Joel [38:47]
  • First time on a plane at 19; kept the barf bag and plane ticket as mementos.
  • Touring opened their worldview, reinforced excitement for discovery, and made them eager to make friends everywhere.

Discovering the World, Learning to Travel

• [42:39-44:24]
  • Early tours stuck close to hotels out of frugality and inexperience—over time, learned to venture further and seek out memorable local experiences (crediting families and wives for opening them up to this).
    • “You don’t really know how to do that… it’s important, trying restaurants and experiences.” —Benji [42:55]
  • Their genuine awe at new things amuses their friends:
    • “That’s the most amazing burger I’ve ever had in my life!” —Benji [44:14]

Australia: The Band’s Second Home

• [44:24-49:35]
  • Australia was Good Charlotte’s first major international success and remains a “home away from home.”
    • “Australia just loves some real motherfuckers… they embraced us first, maybe, of anywhere in the world.” —Joel [45:44; 47:09]
  • Cultural resonance between their rural upbringing and Australian ethos—a mix of “down home, friendliness, and a bit of an edge.”
    • “Australia feels culturally closer to middle America than New York or LA… they’ll tell you what’s up.” —Benji [46:12]
  • Travel tips: for a proper visit, spend at least five or six days in Sydney, longer if you want to see more of the country.
    • “Perth is really cool too… it feels like you’re on the edge of the earth.” —Joel [49:05]

Family on the Road

• [53:00-54:55]
  • Their family does come out to shows sometimes—mom included, who is known for making friends and sometimes bringing fans backstage.
    • “Your mom will get caught up talking to every. Like, she’ll go and she’ll start talking to fans, and then she’ll start trying to help them… our mom would be taking people back and forth all night long.” —Joel [53:59]
  • Manners and politeness are treasured values the Maddens credit their parents for instilling.

Promotion, Publicity, and Middle-Aged Rockstar Life

• [63:14-67:34]
  • New experiences have changed (and slowed down) their career: longer breaks between albums, more considered touring schedules, and the need to “sign up” for the full commitment, including awkward TV appearances for promo.
    • “You gotta want to get on stage. You can’t phone it in. …it took me a long time to want to get back on stage. I don’t know why.” —Joel [61:09]
    • “I really enjoy not having to look in the mirror… but also, I like where I’m at right now, this is my favorite part of my whole life.” —Benji [63:14]
  • Band reunification for family events reignited their creativity—new album inspired by playing little sister’s wedding.

On Parenting & Perspective

• [70:14-71:59]
  • Their kids grew up touring, don’t listen to Good Charlotte much, but think it’s “cool.”
    • “They don’t necessarily want to come to shows anymore… but sometimes they do, like when we played Stagecoach with Luke Combs.” —Joel [71:01]
  • Funny, practical attitude from their own children:
    • “God, it raised a lot of money. So how much of that do YOU get?” —Seth’s son, regarding charity gig [72:17]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If a person has a hyena laugh as well, like the last place you should come see comedy is a zoo.” —Seth [01:22]
• “We still do it [switch twins for each other], there’s definitely interviews that are me that really Joel did, and vice versa.” —Benji [13:06]
• “Stylists tried, but we always end up wearing what we wore in that day.” —Benji [20:38]
• “Australia just loves some real motherfuckers.” —Joel [45:44]
• “It’s like home away from home when we go there… really truly, we’ve had this, like, really truly, it’s like home away from home.” —Joel [47:09]
• “That’s the most amazing burger I’ve ever had in my life… friends are always like, oh my god, when you try something it’s literally like your mind is blown.” —Benji [44:17]
• “You gotta want to go on stage. You can’t phone it in. …it took me a long time to want to get back on stage. I don’t know why.” —Joel [61:09]
• “Movie stars are badasses, the way they go promote their shit.” —Joel [69:17]
• “I want to do it. I’m trying my best…and you show up and you’re trying to get with it and be there and match the energy and promote your shit. But it’s awkward and weird.” —Joel [64:21]
• “Our mom would be, like, taking people back and forth all night long, because they would be…she’s like talking to everyone. It’s sweet, but it makes it really hard to, like, function at work.” —Joel [54:33]
• “They [our kids] have a relationship with it that I think is sweet…they don’t necessarily love my music…but they think it’s cool that I do this.” —Joel [70:34]

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Memorable Segments with Timestamps

• [09:06-10:10] — Joel’s tips for performing with a sore throat: “Just take prednisone… I don’t care who knows it.”
• [11:02-15:23] — Twin hijinks: switching interviews, sailor suits, and sibling alliances.
• [35:52-37:14] — Early family “vacations” were mostly to King’s Dominion theme park.
• [38:07-44:24] — The effect of rural Maryland on their outlook, creative drive, and excitement to see the world.
• [44:24-49:49] — The band’s unique relationship with Australia, and detailed touring recommendations.
• [53:00-54:55] — The mothers who can’t help but connect their sons with random fans at shows.
• [61:09-62:25] — The inspiration for the album “Motel du Cap” and the power of playing family events.

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Speed Round: Rapid-Fire Questions

[72:55-75:12]

• Ideal vacation: “Relaxing. Educational.” —Benji & Joel
• Transportation: “Classic car, big truck.”
• Family they'd travel with: “Duck Dynasty… Married With Children/The Bundys.”
• Stranded island companion: Both answer “My wife.”
• Would they recommend Waldorf, Maryland as a vacation spot? “Absolutely!...There’s a lot to see. There’s a lot to do down there.” —Benji
• Have they been to the Grand Canyon? Not really, but open to it—with the right company.

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Final Notes & Tone

This episode is fast-paced, genuine, and warm, featuring sharp sibling chemistry between both pairs—Meyers and Maddens alike. The Maddens display a grounded, funny, and insightful attitude, sharing both the absurdities and the gifts of their unusual lives. Their appreciation for each other's company, family traditions, and their Australian fanbase shines throughout. Sibling humor, mutual admiration, and a theme of embracing authenticity define the conversation.

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Listen to the full episode for more stories, laughs, and details from the Meyers brothers and Good Charlotte. “Motel du Cap” is out now!

Transcript

[A]

Hey, Abashi.

[B]

Hey, Sufi.

[A]

I'm on the road.

[B]

Yeah, I can see that.

[A]

I'm looking at something very cool right now.

[B]

Is it the Space Needle?

[A]

It is the Space Needle. Oh, yeah. Do you remember the children's book we used to have about space?

[B]

The Wheedle and the Needle.

[A]

The Wheedle and the Needle. Yeah. And I'm just a big fan of the Space Needle. And in general, I'm a fan of Seattle. Yep. And I am doing a stand up show at a zoo tonight. It's an outdoor venue. It's like a concert venue, but it's definitely at a zoo.

[B]

For animals or for people?

[A]

I guess for people. But I do think, you know, I was like, maybe it's not. Maybe it's more a concert venue than a zoo. But then I saw that I had to get dropped off at the otter lot. I think it's definitely a zoo. Outdoor comedy can break either way. So I'll report back. Yeah. You know, a lot of people on a lawn. I feel like you definitely want a ceiling for comedy. Cause you want to, you know, you want to catch those laughs. Yeah. But you know, it's a beautiful, beautiful night in Seattle. Friday night in Seattle.

[C]

Great.

[A]

Hopefully people are, people are ready to laugh.

[B]

You know, there's a chance that there are going to be some, like, some chimpanzees or some howler monkeys or hyenas or something who could be sort of almost like mock laughing.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Throughout. Hopefully you don't have to contend with that.

[A]

Well, you know, and again, if there's anybody who's thinking about coming to the show tonight, obviously already too late if you're listening to this. But like, don't come if you've got what people describe as a hyena laugh, because that'll just be.

[B]

No, but I'm saying an actual hyena.

[A]

That's what I mean, though. If a person has a hyena laugh as well, like the last place you should come to see comedy is a zoo.

[B]

Because you might rile up the other hyenas.

[A]

Yeah. Or just throw the performer who the whole time is gonna be like, well, the hyenas are out. Yeah. Like, usually when I'm doing a show, I'm not worried about wildlife rushing the stage. Yeah. But today that's gonna be the back of my mind, obviously. Just putting safety first.

[B]

Do you think after the show you might ask to go look at a couple animals? You might be like, hey, could I just take a quick spin through the, through the monkey house or whatever?

[A]

They offered show up early, come see the. A private tour.

[B]

Gotcha. Which you probably are too stressed out, right?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Also, I, you know, I don't want to name names, but I am doing a podcast right now. It's the life of having podcasts. You know, like, every time you're like, oh, should I go see a new city or talk to the person I've seen the most in my entire life.

[B]

Yeah. But also, you've. You've often said that you're not very good at taking advantage of.

[A]

I am. I am a little stressed out right now. Sure.

[B]

Cause also, you had your special Dadman walking that came out last year. Emmy nominated.

[A]

No, Golden Globe nominated.

[B]

Golden Globe nominated. Special.

[A]

I'll take it.

[B]

And so now I'm guessing you're doing all new material.

[A]

New stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

I'm excited to see you out again with some new stuff.

[A]

Yeah, I'm very excited for you to see. Yeah. You got a little. You took a couple strays for your veganism in the last one. Yeah, sure. You are currently not in it. Better in it. Not sure if they're gonna super dig it.

[B]

Yeah, well, yeah, that's what you get. That's.

[A]

That's what you get.

[B]

Get used to it.

[A]

That's such a good reason. Comedians, they're gonna. They're. It's gonna come back around on you.

[B]

I'm very excited as we're recording this, it's Friday, and tomorrow I go to Vegas and I'm gonna get my second trip to the Sphere for the Backstreet Boys.

[A]

Oh, that's great. Yeah.

[B]

And then who have, for the record, added dates. They're doing like, New Year's.

[A]

Then they added all Sphere dates.

[B]

All Sphere dates. They. I feel like maybe it's. It's like the 26th. They could be doing Christmas for all I know. But I. And then they're doing more dates. They just added yesterday in, like, February. And I was. I had an appointment at 9am the other day when the sort of like the New Year's Eve tickets had gone on sale. And that's when the tickets went on sale. And I, like, I opened Ticketmaster to buy more tickets, but I was like, what am I doing?

[A]

Like, I've seen them.

[B]

Seen them once.

[A]

Like, when did you turn. How fast you turned into this person.

[B]

Seeing them on Sunday.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then I was like, should I. Should I just buy them for New Year's in case. So I don't know. We don't know what our New Year's plans are yet.

[A]

Somebody Posted a video, you know, on one of the social media platforms, and it feels like the opening of the show, it like they just, like, explode onto the stage.

[B]

I mean, sure, I don't want to give anything away, but.

[A]

Is that a spoiler? Yeah.

[B]

I've been telling mackenzie, don't watch anything. Like, don't.

[A]

Oh, really? So it is. You believe this can be spoiled?

[B]

I mean, there's no way to spoil it.

[A]

Right. But still, you're like, you. You have a lot of integrity for the surprises they've built in. And you're not. Yeah, you're not out here.

[B]

You know, me, I sort of. For a long time, I wouldn't watch any trailers to any movies because the.

[A]

Only thing you were okay spoiling was the experience for the people you were with. You know, because you want to go to the movies and sit next to somebody who's covering their eyes and ears like, they're weirdo.

[B]

I would cover my. My ears with my palms, and I would drum on the back of my head with my fingers that really.

[A]

Yeah. You know, that's a cool vibe. That's a cool vibe. Yeah. All right, well, I'm very glad you guys are going back to the sphere.

[B]

Yeah, I'm excited because now I'll be going with mackenzie, and our friends Molly and Devin are coming as well, and. And, yeah, we're gonna. We're gonna get our Vegas on. I'm really.

[A]

That's great.

[B]

Really looking forward to it.

[A]

Well, have a wonderful time.

[B]

Thank you. Break a leg tonight.

[A]

Thank you very much. And although I think, you know, once again, though, like, if you break a leg, I don't think you're allowed to say that at a zoo. I think you say that at a theater. I think when you say break a leg at a zoo, that just means you're prey. I think at a zoo, you're supposed to say, have a good show, and then in a theater, you supposed to say, break it.

[B]

Okay, well, have a good show.

[A]

And you can say. You can say macbeth at a zoo. All right.

[C]

All right.

[A]

Okay. Hey, these are brothers.

[B]

These are brothers.

[D]

These are.

[B]

Yeah, these are brothers who have. Have been at it for a while.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Lovely rocking stages, new album out. Yeah. Good Charlotte. It's been a while since they've had a new album, but they got a new one, Motel du cap out.

[A]

Now I feel like we didn't. And I feel like I should have asked them, would you recommend Charlotte as a vacation destination? Yeah. So that was a missed opportunity. Yeah. That's good. It's good. All right. Have fun in Vegas. I don't know I just said that, but I really want you to. Yeah. And enjoy this conversation. Bye, everybody.

[C]

Family.

[A]

Chips with the M. Here we go. Yeah. Yeah.

[D]

There we go.

[A]

So nice to see you. You know, everybody said it's insane to do a podcast with your brother where nobody can tell your voices apart. And we said, we're gonna do you one worse.

[D]

Oh, we're gonna do you guys even better here.

[A]

Yeah, we're gonna just. Everybody listening is gonna at no point know if there are four or two people on this podcast in one.

[D]

In some ways, there are only two, and in some ways, there are only four.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. By the end, maybe by the end of it, maybe we're just going to be one.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe we can find our way into the singularity. Nice to see you both.

[C]

I think we have to be in person together to do that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, we'll figure that out. That this is just the first step. This is, like, just to get to know each other. How are you fellas?

[D]

Nice to meet you guys. This is our first time meeting.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. Yeah, it's really cool. We did. I. You guys were on. You played SNL when I was there. But I would not say, other than maybe a good night hug, I would not. I would confirm that we have not met.

[D]

I actually just walked right off. Right off from the.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. You were like. You walked up and you're like, I did not care for this, and you will not.

[C]

Yeah, no.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Tasteless. Tasteless.

[A]

Tasteless. Yeah. This comedy. You call this comedy? Yeah. I have a. Before we start. All right, I have a question, and both you can answer this, but I feel like, Joel, you might know more. All right, so when you have. What is your treatment for a sore throat if you have to perform? Cause I feel like you're the guy I want to go to as I'm drinking hot tea on a day like today.

[D]

Sore throat or you actually don't have a voice? So it depends on where you're. What level of.

[A]

I guess it's like I had a sore throat, and now I feel like my voice is going to be raspy.

[D]

There's a spray you can get. You can spray it and numb it.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

You can also just take prednisone.

[A]

All right.

[D]

Just get your doctor to give you a couple of prednisone pills.

[C]

Steroids.

[D]

Take them. Take them like, six hours before you have to perform, and you'll be like, money.

[A]

So steroids, in the end, have earned their Reputation. Yes. Yeah.

[D]

Performance enhancing drugs.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Then we'll look out for the rage, Sue.

[A]

Yeah, well, I'm already a little angry.

[D]

Prednisone doesn't make you angry, but it does kind of like energize you when you take it for, you know, the wrong reason. So if you just take it for your voice, which is probably not a. Not the right reason to take it, but I definitely do it when. If I have no voice and I gotta go on stage, I will take prednisone.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

I don't care who knows it.

[A]

How often, career wise, how often have you had to cancel for a health related reason?

[D]

Never. Never cancel the show for me. And I don't know how many shows we've ever canceled. But for the vocals, if I lose my voice, I either just push through it or now I, you know, now I'm like, let's take a Prednisone and I'll just like. It's not actually healthy if you do that all the time, but.

[A]

Right. I don't know.

[B]

I get it.

[A]

I feel like that's allowed.

[C]

There's worse things.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

There's worse things. That's true for rock and rollers. You know, there's. I feel like behind the music, there was never one about prednisone. Yeah.

[D]

Well, if you ask me if I. If you asked me if I did drugs, I don't. I never have. But I've taken prednisone every time my voice goes out.

[A]

Yeah. I think that your fans would appreciate that loophole that you've allowed.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

All right. So you guys twins? You got one. One older, one younger sibling.

[D]

Yeah, we have an older brother named Josh.

[A]

Nice.

[B]

Good call. Well done.

[A]

Good to have a Josh.

[D]

Yeah. And a younger sister named Sarah.

[A]

And where do they fall? How much older? How much younger?

[D]

18 months. We're all 18 months apart.

[B]

Oh, that's nice.

[A]

How would you say they would reflect on life with twins as siblings?

[D]

What do you think, Bench? Probably.

[C]

That's a good question. I think there's. They'd probably say there's pros and cons. We've had a lot of. I mean, I think now that we're all a bit older, it's super easy when we were kids, though, you know, I mean, there was four of us crammed into, you know, whatever space. And, you know, me and Joel were always a team, so.

[A]

Right.

[C]

You know, you always have an advantage if you have a team, you know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So would the other two sort of. Would they naturally team up to sort of try and Balance those. Those scales.

[C]

Maybe it might have been. They might have been like, you know, maybe in some of the scenarios where someone needed to get blamed for something.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And then I definitely. I think me and Joel would take the fall for each other at certain times if it was. If it was strategic, you know.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I definitely took a few whoopings for Joel.

[A]

That's really nice. And at the time you were taking him, was the expectation that you were taking them out of love or out of knowing that one day he would take one for you?

[C]

It's always strategic. I think we have always been strategic.

[A]

Yeah. Gotcha.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

How interchangeable, I'm assuming at home, everybody knew who you were. How interchangeable were you at school, or was that something where right away people sort of knew the difference between the two of you?

[D]

Not really. We definitely switched it up at school sometimes and actually have kind of done that our whole life.

[C]

We still do it.

[D]

Yeah, it's great. Still do.

[C]

Like, there's definitely interviews that you can read out there that are me. That really Joel did, and there's definitely interviews out there that are Joel that I did. And they do it. I mean, people still do it all the time. You know, you'll. They'll. They'll, like, you know, whatever music outlet or whatever will have, like, you know, you know, Joel Madden, you know, or, you know, and there'll be a picture of me and vice versa. Like, it happens all the time.

[A]

Um, yeah.

[C]

And when we were kids, we definitely did. Did a little bit. I mean, I think the whole, like, you know, switching classes or. Or, like, you know, that kind of stuff, we.

[D]

We.

[C]

We didn't really do that too much because I. I think we were. We were. We were having too much fun with it, so we sort of gave ourselves up. Like, ha, ha. I'm not Joel, you know, like. Like somewhere in the middle of the day or something, you know, but when we've needed to stand in for one another, like, you know, there's been. I mean, so many times, you can't even count, like, the amount of times, like, where it was either, like a thing where one of us, you know, either, you know, got sick or there was a. You know, we had a family commitment or something, and instead of just, like, making a whole thing about it, like, Joel will just be like, dude, I'll do it, or I'll do it. Yeah, especially.

[D]

But now with Zoom, a lot of times, if you plan something with Benj and I show up, it's not too. It's A quick little three minute, like, ah, yes, you get me instead. Or whatever.

[A]

Right, right.

[D]

But yeah, we've definitely been doing that for years. All our life.

[B]

Did you. You. You guys have a similar style, but did you ever dress identically?

[C]

I mean, we dress pretty similar.

[B]

Yeah, but would you ever, like, go, like, when you're kids in particular, like, sometimes, you know, twins, same outfit, same, same, same.

[C]

Not.

[D]

Our mom did that until we were old enough to. To stop it.

[A]

Right.

[D]

So if. Until about seven, probably.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

We were dressed the same. It was ridiculous. It was sailor's suits.

[C]

It was like the Shining.

[D]

Listen, the sailor suits is not far off from.

[B]

That's amazing.

[A]

They probably only made those four twins. They were like, no, one kid. One kid's gonna get wailed on if he's the only sailor at the party. But if there's two, there's a chance.

[B]

Yeah, because then there might be a ship out at port and it could be full of them.

[C]

It was humbling. It was like, what are we on the Gilded Age? Like, where are we?

[A]

There's. I feel like there's a picture of us, Josh and some real, like, sailor. Like, blue shorts, like, red bow tie kind of look.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Almost those, you know, blue striped shirts that.

[A]

Yeah, well, one of those artists wore all the time.

[D]

The problem with women who are dressing boys alone with no input from the father.

[A]

Right.

[D]

Is you get these Victorian looking to this day.

[C]

Like, why is 20, 25. Why I said the other day, it's like, what do you know? Where are we? Are we. You know, is this Edwardian? You know, so funny, you know, France or something? Like, what?

[D]

It's crazy. I was, like, looking at my son the first two years of his life, and my wife gets, like, some outfit, and she's like, doesn't he look cute? And I like, he looks like a baby doll from, like, back in 1934.

[A]

Like a haunted baby doll that somebody forgot at a vacation rental.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[A]

So you were raised by a single mother. And it is very funny that obviously, like, I can only imagine how hard that it was for her.

[C]

Well, we weren't raised by a single, I have to say, but my dad was always working, so. Always, like, always working. He worked like three jobs. But he was cool, though. Like, he would come home and be like, it was like the Christmas story. Like, the pink bunny suit. He's like, yeah, do you want to take that off? You're like, yeah, I do. Go take it off. You can go take that off.

[A]

That is nice. That is a great moment from that movie. He just realizes how sad his kid is. Yeah, we have. It's interesting. Do you both have two kids?

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Have they developed a fashion style at this point?

[D]

Yeah, mine are teenagers, so they have their own.

[A]

Okay. So they have their own thing. Got it.

[C]

It's a wild. It's a wild house over here. There's. There. There's not a lot of fashion.

[A]

Right.

[C]

It's all function over here, I think.

[A]

Got it, got it. You're in the function years.

[C]

Just all function, function years.

[A]

I got three. And it's funny because my nine year old dresses like he never wants anybody to comment on his clothes. Like, he's just like the most basic look. If he could wear the same sort of like normie outfit every day, he would. And then my middle one dresses like somebody said the other day, he. He always looks like Chris Martin when he was wearing that, like, super colorful jacket. Like that era. It's like that era. Coldplay.

[B]

Seth's middle kid just pieces it together. It's very. He's like a wizard one and he's like, you know, and Robin Hood's Band of Thieves the next. It's.

[C]

That's cool. Yeah, that's cool.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I like that. You got a little bit, you know, you got one that's just utility. He's like, you know, Steve Jobs just like, you know, his closet just gonna all look the same and you got one that's, you know.

[A]

Yeah. That was the way we were. I mean, Josh was the peacock and I was the. I feel like the. A normal. Not normal, posh. I didn't mean it that way.

[B]

Yeah, no, that's okay.

[A]

Did you guys. Do you feel like your style developed from the kind of music you liked, or do you feel like people dress like you because they like your music? Like, I can't decide. Like, did you. Because you have such a specific look. I mean, like, predated.

[C]

Yeah. But I think. I feel like we always. If you think about like the sort of genre and the bands we were touring with, a lot of punk bands and like, I mean, we definitely had our moments, but I feel like we always looked a bit like odd. Odd ones out. Like, I mean, I think Joel always had, like, more swagger in terms of, like, how he was dressing. I think we were younger, but, like, I don't know. I think. I feel like we were more influenced by, like, probably growing up there was like, we had a couple really cool uncles who were like bikers and like, we had a couple, you know, guys around that were just Like, I think like we were like, oh, that's how a man's supposed to look. Right. And you just kind of model after that. More so than coming into sort of. I always, I think in entertainment, like, we've never been able to use a stylist. Like, we tried a few times. Like, they'll say, oh, you need a stylist for this, this big shoot. And then we always just end up wearing our clothes. Like we go and we try to be nice. We try to. But like. Yeah, it was a little funny. It's just funny. It's just like, okay, you try a couple things on. You go, yeah, I think I just wear what I wore in here today.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

Thank you. Though.

[A]

You're both married to very stylish women. Are they the ones who say like, you know what, a stylist might be helpful or is that.

[D]

Didn't you come?

[A]

Yeah. Okay, gotcha.

[D]

My wife is very. Nicole's very much like, just likes how I show up and occasionally will say, like, dress up a little bit more. Like I have a. The older I get, the less I want to dress up. I just, I want to wear a hat and a hoodie or whatever. But occasionally she'll be like, joel, we're going somewhere. You need to like, put something on and I'll do it. And happy I did usually because I would have been completely underdressed and felt even more awkward, so. But yeah, she's always been cool with whatever I wear.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Our style hasn't changed much over the years. I think that's how it is sometimes.

[A]

I think that's nice. I do, for the record, think that especially, I don't know with bands when their style changes drastically. It's a little jarring. Yeah, I do want some consistency.

[C]

Yeah, I guess you can like do the album cycle where you all like wear suits or something. I feel like that like there's like. Or like maybe you can do like the thing where like everyone wears like the like garage jumpsuits or something like.

[D]

Or like the all white era or something like that. But also, you know, when we, we came, you know, out in the early 2000s, we were kids. So now we're grown middle aged guys. That's jarring enough for people when they're.

[C]

Like, they're fucking older. You know what I mean?

[D]

Like, what the fuck? So you can't change that much about us. We already change enough. Just it.

[A]

Yeah, it would be, it would be too depressing for everybody to realize the passage of time if you were also Wearing, like, khakis and golf shirts.

[C]

Yeah, just pleated.

[A]

Pleated, yeah. Oh, my God. They were great. They still rock. But the pleats really threw me.

[C]

We're in our Dockers era.

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[A]

Here we go. So where so you're Waldorf, Maryland, where? What parts of Maryland is that you guys grew up?

[D]

Southern Maryland is kind of a part of the state. It's down there and it's kind of like it kind of starts in PG county but goes to Charles County, St. Mary's County. So we grew up down there in like Charles in St. Mary's County. So it's, you know, it's a little bit away from D.C. and it's probably about an hour and a half or ish more hour 45 maybe from DC.

[C]

Where we grew up.

[D]

So there was kind of access. Our grandparents lived in D.C. so we did go to D.C. a little bit. But it's, it's down there a lot. It's beautiful. A lot of farms, a lot of. There's water everywhere. So everybody's on the water somewhere. It's a beautiful place, Maryland. It's a gorgeous.

[C]

It's a really, it's a really pretty place. I remember I took my wife there for the first time and she was just blown away at how beautiful it was. Like, it's like a place you never really heard of because it's just. You hear about Maryland, but you know, if you live there especially. We didn't leave, I mean, until we were probably 18, 19, so. And I mean really when I say we didn't leave, we didn't leave our town, which, you know, it's a little bit further down there than Waldorf. Like Waldorf was like where the mall. It was. So if you needed like, if you wanted to find like a alternative press magazine so you could find out what the bands were or you wanted to find like, you know, you would go up to Waldorf. Um, but that was a good 40 minute drive, 45 minute drive to where we grew up. And you know, you're down there for months and months, right, without leaving. And it's out there. When I remember when I took her there for the first time, she was blown away. Just how, how pretty? Pretty. It's really pretty down there and it's, it's really sweet too. Everybody's really, really. It was a sweet place to grow up. And I think very like classic American too. Like when you watch like the, like movies about like, just like football and like, you know, baseball and like those, like, you know, stuff like that. But I remember taking her there for the first time and she was just like, oh, I kind of get you a little bit more now.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Which I think goes back to the style thing of like. It's another thing I think we both appreciate about our wives is if we, we have to go somewhere or something and you go, can I just wear this? And. And my wife's like, most of the.

[D]

Time mine's like, perfect.

[C]

Yeah, that's perfect, honey.

[B]

That's great.

[A]

My wife does this thing where I'll try really hard to dress exactly the way she wants me to dress. So I'm the opposite of you guys. And then I'll come downstairs. By the way, everything I'm wearing she has bought, right? There's no, I have no agency Other than trying to put together an outfit.

[C]

That'S kind of nice though.

[A]

It's kind of nice. But then I'll come down, I'll be like, how's this? And she'll say, I don't love that shirt but it's fine. And I'm like, well then don't plant the seed, you know, drop out the, you know, if it's fine, just say it's fine. But now I'm walking around being like, what's wrong with the shirt that you bought that I never would have picked out in a million years?

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

You know when you walk in, you're ready. You walk in and she goes, are you dressed yet? And you're like, yeah, I just ready to go.

[A]

See, I feel like you guys have done it. You guys have laid down like a decades long base coat. So if you just do a little bit, I bet people are like, oh, they really did a little, you know.

[C]

Button up shirt, made an effort.

[D]

Well, you know, we're lucky cause when we dress up all we throw on is a black button down and a black jacket. I wear black jeans anyways. I wear black vans or black slip on, whatever, black shoes and I'll throw a fedora on so I don't have to do my hair and go. And I'll be dressed up. It's very easy dress up situation.

[B]

Has anyone ever given you for a birthday or Christmas an item of clothing that's not black? Do you own things that aren't black?

[C]

Well, the funny thing I always try to do every now and then. Every now and then, right. I don't even know why it's in my head, right? Like because I always, I always like want, of course, you know, you want your wife to be like, oh, you look handsome, you know, and, and it's always nice when that happens. And, and so I'll always like try to find like some sort of like preppy like thing or like something every now and then. Every now and then, like every probably I do this probably once every like two or three years and now go out on a limb and I would like buy like a nice shirt that's like not something I would wear. And then I'll just like if we're going to like dinner or with you know, friends or we're going somewhere, then I'll come out and I'll be like, you know, I'll be like, okay, I.

[A]

Hope she likes this feeling.

[C]

And then, well, just like hoping that like this preppy new look will like just like, you know, transform me from being like, you know, dusty tattooed guy into, like, you know, refined gentleman. And it, it, it. And then I wear it and come out and she's like, oh, oh, that's.

[D]

That's new.

[C]

Oh, oh, you know, honey, you look handsome. And then I'll be like, okay. And then I'll. I'll be. About two seconds before we leave, I'll go take it off, and I'll be like, sorry, I can't wear it.

[D]

But I definitely have a couple different other colors in my wardrobe. I could pull off khaki pretty good. Like, more like garage khaki probably is a bit more. I can pull off dark browns and things like that.

[A]

Incredible range. Nobody appreciates the range.

[C]

I've got good range all the way.

[A]

From black to garage khaki.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And navy blue, a dark gray, a navy blue. Those colors work over the years, though. If you Google me and look at some of the shit I tried to pull off, I think in the late 2000s, probably around then, I was trying to maybe grow up a little bit or something, be taken more seriously in my head maybe. So I was trying different things, and there's some awkward pictures in there of me trying some different looks, you know, so we all have our. We all have our moments of trying to figure out. And you usually land right back where you started, where you're like, you know, what I'm comfortable in and what fits me.

[A]

My wife suggested. She said, hey, for your show, let me just pick out an outfit one day, because I feel like you're just kind of sticking with one look. And I'm casual in the show now, so it's a lot like jeans and button ups. And she picked out a pair of navy green pants and sort of a purple sweater. And by the time the show was over and I walked back, my producer had printed out all these pictures of me side by side with the Super Friends Lex Luthor. And I was like, son of a. This is what I get something for you.

[B]

And then dad texted you, lose the sweater.

[A]

Yeah, no, I wore. I wore it. She picked out a shirt for me to go on Kelly Clarkson, and by the time I walked off, he said, lose the shirt. I'm getting it from all sides, guys.

[C]

It just means you love your wife.

[A]

Dude, I do love my wife. That is.

[C]

That's it.

[A]

Somewhere between love and fear lies where.

[D]

That's.

[C]

That's. That's what it means.

[A]

It's a nice management. Yeah.

[B]

What were summer vacations like when you were out of school in Waldorf? What Would you guys do to occupy your time? Were you just playing music or were you getting out on the water?

[D]

Yeah, so there was lots of rivers, creeks, ponds, lakes around. So you're always on. You're always kind of in a creek somewhere. Like, we were running around barefoot in the woods all the time. When we were younger, my mom would just kind of lock us out. She'd be like, okay, here's a pitcher of Kool Aid. Come back later. And we would just be outside all day.

[C]

And then we got older, we playing. Playing in the woods?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Were there other, like, neighborhood kids around in there? Would you.

[C]

There was a lot of fun. There was a lot of fun stuff to do, but we would either be maybe playing with, like, some of our cousins or. Or just the four of us, you know, but we also had, like, I. Through the years, you know, and there's a lot of, like, sort of country roads down there. So my dad had brought home this old, like, Honda. Like, I think he. Honestly, I think he got it for, like, 25 bucks. And he, like, got it running. And the rule was if you. If you go out to the main road, you have to wear shoes and a shirt.

[D]

And we.

[C]

So we were. We were just two of us at a time, riding that around. There was a little general store out there where you can go and get, like, you know, penny candy and, like, you know, like a soda or something. So we would ride up there and there was all places. Fields and stuff. And then also we had this little. Remember the little. The little trucks? Like, remember those little Datsun, like, Toyota trucks? Like, they don't make them that small anymore. Remember the old, like.

[D]

Yep.

[C]

So he had one of those, too. And we could drive it around. I'd say, like, once we got to a certain age, like, like 13 or something.

[D]

14.

[C]

Yeah. And then. And we were just like. Yeah. There was always a river or a creek or, you know, so there were. You were fishing, you were crabbing. There was, you know, like, we played Little League. So there was that. I'm trying to think what else. You know, we never really took family vacations, I want to say, in our lifetime. We once we went and visited my uncle in Alabama, and that was a vacation we drove.

[D]

But every summer we would go to this place called King's Dominion. It's in Virginia. You drive. It's about an hour, hour and a half over there. Anyways, we would drive there every summer for, like.

[C]

That was a big deal.

[D]

Yeah, we'd go there. The whole family would go there once a Year. And I always remember that being like, where do you.

[A]

What would you get up to at Kings Dominion?

[D]

Roller coasters. And.

[C]

Yeah, that was like. Yeah, that was a theme park. Yeah, theme park.

[A]

And so a day trip to Kings Dominion.

[C]

Yeah, trip. Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. It was pretty simple. Pretty chill.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That thing you said about going to the, like, country store, which very much, I feel like, was a part of our summer. Like, how much your summer was just thinking to the point where you would get soda and candy.

[B]

I see.

[A]

And then. Yeah, it just. Like what? Like, it just some aiming towards that moment and then just the slow come down until, like, dinner. That, like, ultimately was enough to make a summer day. If you were on a bike and you were with a couple friends and you had a little bit of cash in your pocket and you knew you weren't going to need, like, a parent to help you make the transaction, that was a really nice level of freedom.

[D]

But I think that that childhood ultimately, like, led us to what we did, what we do for a living is. You know, my dad left when we were, like, 13. He was gone, out of the picture after that. That's when we started the band. We were pissed off. We wanted to, like, you know. And so it's interesting, the childhood of being down there, then getting into the band, and then when we hit the road, we'd never seen anywhere. We'd never been on a plane till we were probably, like. Till we got a record deal. We were 19 or 20, so we were ready to go. And so traveling and touring was nothing. We were doing 300 shows a year.

[A]

Wow.

[D]

It was no problem because we just love to see shit.

[A]

We had never been anywhere before you started seeing shit. Did you know that was a hole in your life? Were you. Do you feel like, as kids, you were like, oh, my God, I want to see the world, or. It wasn't until you started seeing the world that you were like, oh, my God, show me more.

[C]

I don't know if it was sort of almost like. And there was actually down where we live, there's Amish community where I feel like we were almost Amish.

[A]

Yeah. Like.

[C]

Like, we've never been.

[D]

There was a lot of rules. We didn't.

[C]

We didn't.

[D]

We didn't watch MTV until we were teenagers and we'd go to other people's houses.

[C]

You are.

[A]

Are you saying you were Amish? Ish.

[D]

Like religious? Yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But I don't know if we knew there was a hole there. I think, like, you know what I mean? I remember the first Time we. I remember the first time we flew on plane. It was right before we got a record deal because we had an aunt that lived in California. And that was the first time we ever went on plane as we were 19 years old. And I remember saving the barf bag because I was like, you're like. And the ticket. I think I still have the ticket somewhere, I swear, because we were blown away just going to the airport. It was. I know that sounds crazy, but, like.

[A]

No, it makes total sense.

[C]

And we were just so green. But I think it set us up in a nice way because we did come out into the world and do our first record, and we were really excited and we were trying our hardest. And I think there's something sweet about that. Like, we weren't jaded at all. We were very green. And so every single person. I remember the first time we ever saw, the first famous person we ever saw when we. When we first went to la, was Marlon Wayans.

[D]

And he was really nice, and we.

[C]

Told him that story, by the way, like, now we're friendly. Like, we told him that story, and it was just like. It was. I think it was a sweet way to come into the world. But then also you get your ass handed to you, and then you grow up a little bit, like, you know, as you. As you get older and you do a couple records, you know. But I think that we somehow managed to preserve a little bit of that excitement and curiosity and like, you know, that still to this day, I think it makes us appreciate how we do it now and where we get to go and all the places, you know, we get to see. I think we've always kind of made friends everywhere we go, and I think that's a function of that whole, you know, experience, you know, And I think that that's. That's never a bad thing when you. When you are going maybe more into it with a. With that attitude than being jaded, I guess.

[A]

You know, I mean, I'm happy to hear, like, making friends because, you know, I sometimes assume, like, part of the touring life is there's not much time to actually be a human being. It's a lot of just like the travel and then the being a stage Persona. Do you feel like you guys just were getting the most out of every place you went?

[D]

I think so. We've always been that way. And we have each other, so we have a built in friend. And so I think we're more set up to be friends with people quicker because I think that we have a. We have that kind of relationship with each other. So, you know, I think being close to people isn't hard for us because we've just grown up with being close to one another. But I definitely feel like it set us up to really enjoy everything we do. Every restaurant, every hotel, every place big and small, every country. We were always excited to be there and we thought it was cool and we were into experiencing shit. So I do think that set us up in a nice way. And to this day, I still enjoy. Every time I'm anywhere in the world. I really enjoy it. I. I get a lot out of it.

[A]

Are you, so are you the kind of people? Because sometimes I. When, you know, and I don't do that often, but I'm on a stand up tour, like, sometimes I have a. I don't know, a capacity to just like sit in my hotel room for like five hours before the show. Are you like, all right, we're here. We're not going to be here long. Let's like get out and do like one thing before the show.

[C]

We had to learn how to do that, right? Because a lot of times, especially if you haven't traveled. And I think our families have taught us how to do this. Our wives have taught us a bit how to live. They taught us how to live a bit. Like, like, because especially too, we were broke. We were. So we, we, you know, so that's another thing is like learning that you actually can go and do stuff. Like, I think like trying restaurants and experiences are important, but, like, you don't really know how to do that, right? So I think that we would before, when we first started, right? You might go to a hotel and you only go like within like a one block radius of the hotel, you know, and you'll be like, oh, yeah, they got a chick fil a right there. Cool. All right. And then you didn't know, like two blocks away was like the one restaurant that everybody goes from around the world to go and try. So I think as we got older, we got a little bit better about that. And probably definitely with the help of our wives, I think. But I think all of our friends kind of laugh at me and Joel sometimes because when we do try something, right, we're like, that's the most amazing. That's the most amazing burger I've ever had in my life. That's crazy. That's crazy how good that is. And we'll just talk about it and we'll just, you know, like, our friends are always like, oh, my God, when you Try something. Like, it's literally like your mind is.

[A]

Blown, you know, But I don't know, like, people are. People allow themselves to, you know, have their minds blown. Like, that's what gets you out of the bed. And, like, I'm gonna go try something new. Like, it's a great way to experience things. You guys, I know you have. Is it safe to say you have a really fervent fan base in Australia? I know you have it everywhere, but, like, it does seem to have a unique relationship. Is that something that. Like, how did that. How quickly did that happen? And because I know you guys were even over there working on the. Was it the Australian voice? Was that what we did?

[D]

The Voice? I actually think that our relationship with Australia is a really special one. It started in 2000. That was the first place we ever went to internationally. So I think there was something about that that was special also.

[C]

There was the first place we ever had, like, mainstream success, because here we were touring with a lot of punk bands, and on our first album, it wasn't, like, kind of mainstream in Australia. It was like the first song we.

[D]

Put out on all over the place.

[C]

You know, on the mainstream radio, mainstream tv, everything. That was the first experience we had with that. And I think.

[A]

Did anybody ever explain to you why they thought it happened there in a way that was different from the States? Was it just the alchemy of whatever they were looking for at the time?

[D]

Because Australia just loves some real motherfuckers.

[A]

Yeah, that's what I thought. I was wondering if that was it.

[B]

Could you just.

[A]

Could you feel it on stage?

[B]

Did you know right away that this.

[D]

Is, like, way right when you.

[C]

Like, right when you got. When you got off the plane, it was like, oh, damn, they know who we are here. That's crazy. And then also. But I. I think, Joel, we've talked about this. Something about Australia, there's a through line with where we grew up.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

There's something about.

[C]

Closer than you may be culturally closer than what you will find in, like, New York or la, where you go and you made. You made your records and, you know, met with the label and all this stuff. I think Australia is a little bit closer to, like, middle America in. In a lot of ways. Like, with, like, the. With a lot of, like, the mindset and. Or, like, how. I don't know.

[A]

Like, I feel like definitely when I think about us, if I saw a movie that took place in Australia and the dad's rule was, like, you have to put a shirt on if you Got to the road, I'd be like, that sounds right. Yeah. So, like, yeah, you know, you guys are basically, like, talking. Your upbringing sounded a little Mad Max with just, like, weird little cars and scooters. Yeah, yeah.

[D]

Like little junk. Junkyards and shit like that. Hanging out and going to places like that.

[C]

But.

[D]

But Australia, I think.

[C]

Remember, we used to actually go to this junkyard for fun. There was a junkyard.

[D]

We love the junkyard. We love the junkyard. I mean, there's so much fun to be had. But Australia, I think, was just that they embraced us first, maybe of anywhere in the world.

[C]

And.

[D]

And it. I think it was just a unique thing that happened where we just had this great relationship. Our whole career, we've had this, like, really, like, really truly. It's like home away from home when we go there. And it, like, we've had a really great, like, standing in Australia with everything we do and even just going around there. It's just a different experience than what I hear maybe someone else has there. Like, it does feel, like, very homeish, you know, like, it feels like home. So I think we've been lucky. We just have this, like, unique relationship with Australia.

[A]

That's great. That's very cool. Have you. When you go. Do you. How many different cities do you hit when you go on an Australian tour?

[D]

Usually in Australia, you do Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne, Adelaide, Perth, maybe Canberra.

[C]

But then on some tours, you know, you'll hit some, like, in between markets and depending, you know, there's a little mini festival or there's, you know, things. But the other thing about Australia, too, is that Australia does as. As. Like down home. And as nice as it is, it has a bit of an edge, too, which we. I think we do as well. Like, we. I think we're. We. We. We have. We have the. The. The friendly, curious and fun side, but then we add a little bit of an edge, you know, I mean, we can be a bit protective and a bit like, you know, for people we love. And so I think Australia's got a little bit of an edge, too, which I think we. We. We enjoy a bit. They'll tell you exactly. They'll tell you what's up. They'll tell you what they think. And we. We like, you know, we like that. It feels.

[A]

It feels honest, you know, so I've never been, Josh. Never been. Nope. Kind of crazy. In all our travels and now, you know, job, kids. I mean, I know I like it. But when you guys go, like, what if you. I mean, again, I know you go to do shows, but like if you were going not to do shows, how many days do you think you have to stay in Australia for the travel to be worth it?

[D]

I think a really good, well, it depends on which cities you want to go to and how many and whatever. But I think if you're going to go to Sydney or I would say like for me my two choices would be Sydney and Melbourne, but Perth, But Perth is really cool too because you're like on the edge. It feels like you're on the edge of the earth in Perth. It's just like really special. I can't explain it but like if you're going to do Sydney and Melbourne, you want to do like three or four days in each place at least, you know. But if you're just doing Sydney, five, six, seven days is great.

[A]

That's awesome. I think.

[C]

But I think like a good, like what depends on if you got your family with you or not because it's a, you know, it's hard to be away too long, you know. But I think a good two, three week run in Australia is good.

[D]

But minimum, minimum five, six days. A lot of nice shit there though. A lot of like luxury and shit there in Sydney. It's just beautiful city right on the, you know, the water, everything. It's really nice.

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Start speaking with Babbel today. Get up to 55% off your Babel subscription right now at babel.com Spotify spelled B A B B L.com Spotify rules and restrictions may apply. Here we go. Do you guys. You said you didn't travel much skids once you started meeting with success. Would your family. Would your brother, your sister, your mom, would they ever travel come see you do shows?

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

We.

[C]

We bring them out.

[D]

I'm trying to think of where. I'm trying to think of where in the world though. Definitely. My brother and my sister came all over the world at some point. They were my mom, I'm trying to think if she ever went international. She definitely did us all over. All over the U.S. but yeah, yeah, everybody was traveling a little bit.

[A]

I know this is a weird question, but are you aware Because I'm so aware when my parents are in the crowd for a show.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

Are you like, my mom's here tonight and I hope it's a good show. Do you ever think that way?

[C]

It's a little bit stressful.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

To be honest with you. Yeah. Also you want them to have a great experience Even more so than the show. Like, you, like, want them to, like, have. Have a good experience. So still, to this day, I'll be more stressed out if my mom's there, and then I have to remember that she just wants to see us, of course, you know, do our thing and have, you know, see people, you know.

[D]

But also, your mom will get caught up, like, talking to every. Like, she'll go and she'll start talking to fans, and then she'll start trying to help them, you know, Like. Like, you don't understand. She came all the way here from here. And you're like, okay, of course, if I know it, I'm gonna stop and take. I'm gonna bring someone backstage, take a picture with them, give them whatever they want. But everybody in the crowd has. Has a. Has a story of why they need to come backstage. So your mom. My mom would be, like, taking people back and forth all night long, because they would be. She's, like, talking to everyone. Sweet. And you're like, it.

[C]

Sweet.

[A]

That is the best. It's so funny that your mom's like, you're not going to believe this. They're also big Good Charlotte fans.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

You're like.

[D]

And you're like, mom, we're going. We're going on stage in five minutes. And, you know, so she's, like, coming back and forth, and she's, like, connecting with people and talking to them, and it's very sweet. I love it. But also makes it really hard to, like, function at work.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I told this story, but my dad. The amount my assistant would be like. Because at this point, which makes perfect sense, my dad just communicates with my assistant directly, and she'll be like, hey, friends of your dad are at the show tonight, and he wants you to say hi afterwards. And I'm like, of course. And then I'll go back and I'll talk to them, and at some point, I'll be like, how do you know my dad? And they're like, oh, I was wearing a Pittsburgh Steelers hat. And he came over and talked to me because my dad's from Pittsburgh. And then he told me that you're his son. And then he asked if I ever wanted to see the show. And I'm like, so you just kind of bullied you? He also. Maybe he just bullied you into coming.

[D]

But that's kind of how it goes. That's kind of how it goes.

[A]

But again, like, we're very lucky to have parents who are promoting us and are proud. And, I mean, I think Also, it speaks to your mom. She must know that you guys, she has an expectation of politeness when she brings people to you. And that's a really special thing too.

[D]

Politeness is definitely a thing and manners are a thing. And I think we were absolutely. One of the greatest things my parents gave me was a respect for manners and being polite to people, period. Which is why, of course, if your mom is bringing or anyone she sends your way, which is the same thing. We met on a plane and I told her, and her daughter's best friend grew up and she, this is, you know, and they tell some story and you're like, this is great, I'm happy. But it's just funny because it's always like that. You'll be in some situation, you'll be in some situation. And you know, like, that's what parents are great about. That's what I think. When you're an entertainer and you're like in the entertainment and you've been doing it for long enough, you can get jaded on how interesting other people think it is what you do. It's not that you don't think what you do is interesting, but you've been.

[C]

Doing it long enough that there's no.

[D]

Novelty in it for you. It becomes more of like a craft thing. And I think that people, there's a lot of novelty for people in entertainment and seeing, like, what is that like to do that for a living? And I was, I totally get it. But you know, with our moms and dads. Will, will, will. They'd have a whole ass meet and greet, I think everywhere with us. Also, they're proud of you. And like, I totally get it. But I think as you get older, you're, you're middle aged, they're like, this is just. It's not that I don't love my job, but it is my job. It's just a job. Like, I go, I'm more excited to get home and hang out with my kids and hang out with my wife. That's true. That's how I feel.

[B]

Do you guys ever wrap up a tour and sort of tack a vacation onto the end of it to sort of decompress and have everybody out?

[D]

Absolutely. If you're ending somewhere cool and if you can, if it works out, we're like, Europe's pretty cool for that. Where you could go, like, let's jump over here for a few days and hang out.

[C]

It always comes down to family logistics, right?

[A]

Yeah. And school and that sort of thing.

[C]

And we just took you Know, we just put a record out and it's our first record in seven years. And even the kind of two records we put out before that, we. We sort of only halfway put them out. We weren't really. We didn't really tour them that much or, you know, do it like we're doing it, you know, on this one, I think we've had, like, 10 years off.

[D]

Really? Like, from real 20. Yeah.

[C]

From, like, really doing what we were doing, you know, the first 15 years. So I think that we've now. I think we do it all a little bit different because we're just 10 years later, like, you know what I mean? Like, Joel, your kids are grown. I now have two kids like it now. I think we'll do it a little bit differently. And I think that just comes down to, like, you know, honey, what's your schedule, you know, and logistics.

[D]

How far apart do you guys live? Like, from each other?

[A]

Opposite coasts. Yeah.

[D]

Oh, wow.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm la, he's New York.

[A]

What about you guys? Are you guys super close?

[D]

We moved up to be closer to them, so we moved out of the city.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Because we were in LA for 20 years, and then we finally moved out of the city, which I really wanted to do a long time ago. But Nicole grew up in LA. It's all her whole life. It's. Her parents are 10 minutes away, you know, so that was a big move for her, and it's turned out to be great. But we did. One of the big things was we were too far away from them.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, we're lucky. It's funny, you talked about how, like, it was easy for you guys to make friends places because you were brothers. And Josh and I had a similar experience where we went to college together. And so we have this one big group of college friends that we're, you know, both in. Then we had our first job together as we worked at a theater overseas. And so we have a second whole group of people. And it is so nice to have that, you know, connect, because otherwise, like, you don't get. As you get older and you have these more responsibilities, like, if your brother's not your friend, you still have to find time to see your brother. So it's so much nicer because you're like, I don't have room for a friend and a brother. Right. I gotta, like, lump it all together.

[C]

Our brother's name is Josh as well. We actually. We've worked together pretty much. We've worked together for a long time, and now we work, you Know, we have a few different companies, and all of us work together on all. On everything, and we love it. I mean, definitely we started to learn how to communicate better in our 30s. You know, I'd say we would fight a little bit in our 20s. And then. And now, I can't even remember if we've. If we've had an argument in the last ten years, really.

[A]

Seven years between albums. But how long. How long did you start working on the one that just came out? Is it a year? Two?

[C]

I want to say we started working on it about what, Joel, a year and a half ago?

[D]

Yeah, about a year and a half.

[A]

And was it a situation where you just kind of both knew it was time to start working on one?

[C]

Yeah, that was pretty much it. I mean, we couldn't force it. It was just. It really like. And I think it comes down to Joel more than me. Like, I feel like, gotta have something.

[D]

To write about, and you gotta want to go on stage. You gotta want to go on stage. To go on stage. You can't phone it in. So it took me a long time to kind of want to get back on stage. I don't know why. I just didn't feel. I don't know. I don't know what it was, but. And then it all just kind of hit in, like, 2023, we played my Little Sister's Wedding, and it was like the first time we were together as a band in five years. And it was really, really nice. And it was. I was really happy. I had such a good time. And. And then that was the first. That was where. That's the story with the record. Why it's called Motel de Cap. You're at Hotel Du Cap, and it's like this beautiful, big, fancy wedding, really nice, with this girl that I've been raising since he was 7. My wife's little sister, and I love her more than anything in the world. She's one of my favorite people. And her husband, who's now one of my best friends, they asked us to play the Wedding. We went and did it, and it was fucking awesome. We had such a good time, and the band was back together. And I was like, this would be fun if we could do this again eventually. Like, we can. Let's make a record. And then out of that, we went back home and we started piecing it together and figuring out. And, you know, two years later, we have a record out. So it's a nice story.

[A]

It's literally the first act of a screenplay that an old punk Band gets together to play at a wedding.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

And it's like, you gotta do it again.

[B]

The guests at that wedding must have been pretty psyched. Were you a surprise or did people know it was gonna happen?

[D]

It was a surprise for the guests. I don't think they knew.

[B]

Oh my God.

[D]

Our family was really nice.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's great. And then I know you guys have dates sort of coming up. Have you. Have you already been touring with the new album or is it. Is it all about to.

[C]

We decided this year we were just mainly going to do festivals and. And sort of looks like that and then. But. But we're going to do a series. You know, we're going to do serious tours.

[A]

Awesome.

[C]

You know, next year. And you know, actually weirdly excited about it.

[B]

Great.

[C]

I didn't know if we would be again, not because we don't like it. I think it goes back to like, we were talking about like, you know, the whole thing, how you dress, all this stuff. It's like I really enjoy not having to look in the mirror. You know, I really like not really having to think about what wearing and then, and then, you know, so you're kind of approaching this thing going like, okay, like what? You know, we came out when we were 20. 20 years old. 21. I'm 46. Like, I don't want to be 21. I like where I'm at right now. This is my favorite part of my whole life. I love it. And I think just relating to like how we relate to the world. And I think once we sort of like made peace with that, we just gonna be ourselves and, but also, but.

[D]

But also, Seth, you. I know you would know, like what we do is what we love to do. So we want to do it. But then you go to promote it and you're on like, you're on Kelly Clarkson. Great show. Great. She's great. But you're there and there's like these other guests and you just are self conscious. You're like, what the fuck am I?

[A]

100%. Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. What do I say? What do I do? I'm just here to promote my record. I want to do it. I'm trying my best. And you show up and you're trying to. To get with it and be there and like match the energy and promote your shit and it. Because you have to, you have to. If you love this thing and you want people to check it out, you got to go do the promotion. And the fact that they've invited you to come on their show and you respect the platform. You got to show up and you got to like, give it your best. But it's awkward and weird and it's like, it's not like I'm not too good for it. And I'm also like, not jaded where I'm like, fuck that. Not at all. It's just you're at home with your fucking kids and you're like, you're like, you're like, you're level at home. You're just like, I can. I don't have to look in the mirror. I just get dressed and go take the kid to fucking baseball and go do the. And then you go out into the world and you're like, oh, shit, I haven't checked in in a while. And you're looking around and it's just like a. It's kind of bizarre. It's not that I can't do it. I do it all the time. When we have.

[C]

There's also, I think there's. There's a silliness that comes to the industry that's just funny. You know what I mean? It's like, it's like, hey, do you guys have a coffee? Could I grab a coffee? He wants a coffee. Oh, there's a coffee. Oh, yes. Radio to so and so they want a coffee.

[A]

With somebody holding an ear.

[C]

There's a coffee.

[A]

We can have the coffee in three minutes.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

And you're like, all this makes me regret that I asked for the coffee.

[C]

Yeah, so. So there's a part of that you just have to get comfortable with. And I. Yeah, like, yeah, you know, you're going back and into what people are. You know, they're. Everybody's trying their best. It's like, no one's trying to be. Be. You know, no one's really trying to overdo it. Everyone's at their job, but, like, there's a part of it you got to make peace with. And so going back into it is like, you. I think you enjoy 10 years away from having to deal with anything and just kind of like moving at your own pace. And, you know, we started our own companies that have thankfully done well. And like, we just live in a world where, like, it's all just pretty low key and chill and then. And you know you're going back into that and you say like, okay, are we really gonna do it? Because if we're gonna do it, we. We really gotta sign up for it. And so I think we. It took us a couple years. I think that's why we made the record slowly, like, we would do. We would work for, like, three, four, five days at a time, and then we would go back to it, like a month, two, three months later, and we would do a few more songs. And I think that was a nice way to do it. And I think the whole time we were just sort of, like, actually asking ourselves, like, do we, do we, do we have it in the tank? Do we really want to go and, like, really, you know, really do it? And the answer was like, yeah, I think we are old enough now and have enough experience to do it our way. To do it our way and still cater to, you know, to understand the way the world works and everything.

[A]

It's funny because, you know, obviously I host one of these shows, but every now and then I'm a guest on one of them. I'll go and do Kimmel or I'll go and do Fallon, and. And it's so much harder, you know, to speak what you're saying, Joel, to, like, be a guest on these shows. When I go and do it, I'm like, oh, my God, this is so awkward. And to have this, like, little bit of time, and I'm like, I can't believe I make people do this every day.

[D]

Well, and it's not awkward because it's a bad experience. No, it's just because you're just, you're going in and you're like, you're presenting yourself. You know what I mean? Kind of. You're just like, here I am.

[A]

It's not right. Especially when it's like, it's not the work. It's a projection of the work.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

And everybody's cool as shit. Like, balance, cool. He's, you gotta go do. I also appreciate it. Like, it's a big look. It's a great look. People watch. You get texts from your aunt or your mom or your best friend's mom, or, like, it's really like, we did Good Morning America. You have to be there at 4am, 4.30am to play rock music.

[C]

And.

[D]

But you do it because your mom is watching, your aunt is watching, your friends and, and you also. They're all really nice. They're fucking so nice. They're welcoming. Everything's great. It's not that you don't want to be there. It's just different than, like, maybe the reality of, like, touring or, or even just being home.

[C]

So I, I, it.

[D]

I have to be careful talking about it from the experience of it, because I don't want people to think I'm like this. I'm not. I want to be there. I said yes to it. It's just. It's just a strange kind of experience, you know.

[A]

Well, also, you have the wisdom, you know, of having done this for a long time since you were very young, of knowing exactly what you're getting into. So I think that ultimately, like, probably builds in the hesitation of, are we going to do another album? Is, you know, everything that has to go into it. Not just making the music, but also then that whole promotion arm that I think that's the part people don't understand.

[C]

Yeah. The promo, that's the part you get paid for.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Dude, you do everything. You would do everything.

[D]

Movie stars are. They're badasses, the way they go promote their shit. But also, I will say this, it's really nice as well to go into someone else's shop. So, like, all the people working on Good Morning America, they all get up super early every day. And you get to chat with them in between whatever. And you get a sense of like, these are real professionals getting up and grinding and doing this, like, this job that is like a platform for people like us to promote and for our moms to watch and all of her friends to watch. And it's like a. It's a nice thing. But I think that, like, you do get, like, a sense of like.

[A]

We'Re.

[D]

All kind of working, you know, we're all just kind of like showing up to work and this is what we happen to do for a living. And we all have kids and we're just trying to like.

[A]

I have a question about. I know one of yours is too young, probably Benji, but of the other kids, do they think what you do is cool and are they excited about the fact that you're going on tour?

[D]

My kids were on tour with us the first, like, probably like seven years of their life. Binge, would you say?

[A]

Yep.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So they fully. There. Got it.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

They have very kind of vivid memories about, like they were on tour, on a tour bus, on planes, you know, so they. They have a relationship with it that I think is. Is sweet. Like, they think it's cool. They don't necessarily, like, love my music in the sense of, like, what they listen to, because they're like more, I'd say, like hip hop and pop and stuff and some rock stuff, but more modern.

[A]

Like, they're.

[D]

They're into the new shit. That's all they care about. But they think it's cool. They're like, they're. They think it's cool that I do this. They don't necessarily want to come to shows anymore. Like, when I'm like, hey, I've been. My. My daughter's going to be a senior in high school, and my son's a sophomore, and I always invite him, like, hey, we're going to do this festival. Sometimes they'll come sometimes. But then, like, Stagecoach, my daughter wanted to bring all her friends, and we went. We had. We did a performance with Luke Combs, and my daughter and all her friends came, and they ran around all day, and they had a great time. So it's just hit or miss with what they want to do.

[A]

Was your daughter like, dad, just know we're here for Luke Combs?

[D]

Yes. She was like, dad, yeah, yeah. She's like, we're gonna go. We'll see you at the end.

[A]

But those festivals, that's like, they have.

[B]

Such being at the Olive Garden in terms of the menu that's. Of different bands that they could see. So I feel like that's a good way to bring them in.

[D]

Yeah, it's great. It's great.

[C]

Yeah, they were really cool. They were very cool, too, Joel, because, like, afterwards they were. It was. It's interesting. I remember they were just like, that was great. That was really great. Good job, guys. And then they were like. It was almost like they were trying to be nice.

[A]

So funny. My son. I just did a fundraiser that my son was in the audience for. He's nine. And it was over. He's like, God, it raised a lot of money. I'm like, it did. He's like, so how much of that do you get? Any hunt for charity? You can tell he was just like. He just saw it as a manager, he's like, we got to stop throwing away your time.

[D]

Like, it was like, what, you don't get a 10 bump for risk.

[A]

Come on, dad, you tell me. The auctioneers walking out of there with empty pockets. You guys, he's an entrepreneur. You guys have been amazing. Thank you so much for your time. But before you go, Josh is going to ask you a speed round. Lightning round. All right, here we go.

[B]

You can only pick one of these. Is your ideal vacation relaxing, adventurous or educational?

[C]

Relaxing educational.

[B]

What is your favorite means of transportation?

[D]

Classic car, big truck.

[A]

Great.

[B]

If you could take a vacation with any family, alive or dead, real or fictional, other than your own family, what family would you like to take a vacation with?

[D]

Oh, this is so good. This is such a good question. God, any family. I have a really tough one.

[C]

Probably the was It.

[D]

I'd probably go with Duck Dynasty.

[B]

Duck Dynasty and Married With Children.

[C]

Very.

[B]

The Bundys.

[A]

The Bundys. All right. Yeah.

[B]

If you had to be stranded on a desert island with one member of your family, who would it be?

[D]

Which family? Like my. My nuclear family or my. My. If I was stranded on the island.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Well, I was gonna say my wife, probably, because.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

How long are we stranded? Are we talking?

[A]

Very, very. I like that you're thinking ahead.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Very good. Good answer.

[B]

Benji, are you match. Are you matching your wife?

[C]

I. I gotta go with my wife.

[A]

Yeah, you certainly do.

[B]

Now, especially.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Jill sort of forced her hand. You guys are from. Would you say you're from Waldorf, Maryland?

[A]

Is that the.

[B]

Would you recommend Waldorf as a vacation destination?

[C]

Absolutely.

[D]

I mean, like, how long of a vacation are we talking here?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I mean, it sounds like Australia. You could do, like, three days. You could do five days. You could do three weeks.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

There's a lot to see. There's a lot to do down there. There's a lot of. And you can go to DC if you want to go to the city for a day, and you can go back down there for the beauty and.

[C]

The people and the food, and it's nice.

[B]

Great.

[C]

Nice rental car. You're seeing everything.

[B]

And then Seth has our final questions.

[A]

Have you gentlemen been to the Grand Canyon?

[C]

Like, in a tourist way? Never. I mean, obviously, like, flown over it, but never been to the Grand Canyon.

[A]

Do you want to go?

[C]

I'd go with you.

[A]

Great. Okay. So a software.

[B]

I would say with Benji, be careful what you wish for, because, Seth, I don't. I also don't that into it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. If you were. If you were like, hey, guys, I love doing the podcast with you. Do you want to go see the.

[A]

If we. Maybe we might do. We might get together a trip of reluctant canyonites.

[B]

Yeah, I'll lead it because I'm into it.

[D]

I probably wouldn't. I probably would say yes, and then I'd bail.

[A]

All right, well, that's good to know. We will when you RSVP yes. We'll keep that in mind. Yeah. Motel Du Cap is out now. It's very exciting to have new music from you guys, and it was lovely talking to you both. Thank you so much for your time.

[D]

Great hanging out, Seth. Thanks, Josh. Thank you, guys.

[B]

Thanks, guys. Have fun on tour, guys.

[C]

All right.

[D]

Thanks.

[B]

Grew up in a Waldorf. Hour and a half south of D.C. in the woods, on the water. Twin brothers Joel and Benjy dad bought a little scooter Riding around getting scratched and bruised. If you go out to the main road just be sure Wear shirt and shoes. Went to King's Dominion a day trademark trip that they could drive, go on roller coasters, ride some of the other rides 300 shows in a year. Enjoyed the travel. It was not a drag. Everything was new to them. Benji kept that first barf back.

[C]

When.

[B]

They need an outfit, they got a look Goes way, way back. Dabble with preppy and khaki but it's always safer to bet on black. There were times when they tried stylists to pick out their clothes. Never said yes, only said no. And when they asked their wives they were always told we trust you guys. Benji and Joel have a style that just works for them. And on the pole all they ever really had to do was be themselves. Be themselves, be themselves.