JASON SCHWARTZMAN RETURNS (And Went Overboard In Lake Tahoe)

Summary

Family Trips with the Meyers Brothers

Episode: JASON SCHWARTZMAN RETURNS (And Went Overboard In Lake Tahoe)
Release Date: April 14, 2026
Hosts: Seth Meyers & Josh Meyers
Guest: Jason Schwartzman

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Episode Overview

This episode of Family Trips with the Meyers Brothers welcomes back fan-favorite guest Jason Schwartzman, who joins Seth and Josh to swap stories about chaotic family vacations, moving cross-country, losing wallets, and floating away (literally) in Lake Tahoe. Schwartzman brings his signature blend of warmth and self-deprecating humor, giving a candid look at family life, parenting challenges, and his persistent quest for non-competitive fun. The hosts and guest reminisce about peculiar childhood camps, vacation mishaps, and rediscovering joy (and bruises) with their own kids.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Joys and Nightmares of Family Vacations

• Lice After the Beach (00:12–03:09)

  • Seth recounts returning from vacation to discover his kids—and himself—have lice, dispelling the myth that lice prefer dirty hair ("Lice actually likes clean hair." - Seth, 01:43).
  • Jeff asks if you should publicize a lice outbreak the way you do with COVID.

• Beach Football, Missing Wallets, and Mishpocha Moments (03:09–07:46)

  • Seth talks about playing intense beach football with his sons, who only enjoy activities when scorekeeping is involved.
  • He shares a classic parenting fail: his son Axel insists on bringing a beloved wallet, promptly loses it, and after a tense search, younger brother Ash finds it—then rubs it in with "How did you miss it?".
  • Jeff jokes whether Ash staged the entire wallet drama.

• Count Olaf Pool Games & Negotiating Wake-Up Times (08:20–10:26)

  • Seth describes playing "Exhausting Count Olaf" in the water with his daughter Addie.
  • The brothers laugh about negotiating with kids over what time they're allowed to wake parents—an elaborate and futile negotiation ("6:25." "6:20." "6:21." "Alright, but I might be a minute early." - Seth & Axel, 09:42–10:13).

2. Family Sleeping Arrangements & Modern Tech

• Story Boxes and Siblings (10:50–11:25)

  • Seth describes the new bedtime craze: four kids in one room, each with headphones listening to their own "story box" content, creating a "first class airline" look.

• Moke Mishap (11:26–12:33)

  • Seth tries (and fails) to impress a valet by backing out a stylish Moke car himself—and hits a motorcycle. He responsibly gives his number but jokes he gave "Axel's number".

3. Jason Schwartzman: The Unexpected North Carolinian

• Moving to Chapel Hill (14:18–20:02)

  • Jason reveals he’s relocated from LA to Chapel Hill after his wife surprises him with the idea (15:31). The genesis: his daughter's best friend’s family was moving, prompting the decision for a new lifestyle.

  • He tells a touching story about a 24-year-old kindness experienced at a Chapel Hill music venue, which made the place feel special—a full-circle moment when he discovers the same staff member still works there and remembers Schwartzman's band (20:02).

    "A gentleman told me where to go to the co-op... that kindness 24 years ago is really the reason that when my wife said, are you open to moving to this place, I was like, absolutely."
    —Jason Schwartzman (20:02)

• Fitting in, Reinventing, and Nick Offerman (23:43–24:30)

  • Jeff jokes that the move was to escape Nick Offerman. Jason plays along: "Yeah, I left... Now I have an English accent and work for a cream cheese company studying local bagels!"
    (24:10–24:47)

4. Childhood Camps: Puppetry, Rocketry, and Non-Competition

• Finding the Right Environment (31:23–34:36)

  • Jason contrasts his childhood aversion to competitive camps with thriving in creative, collaborative settings like puppetry and rocketry camp.
  • He shares that he still owns his childhood worm puppet, symbolizing how non-competitive creative spaces shaped him ("Those were good buttons!" - Jason, 34:02).

• Planning vs. Improvisation in Adult Life (34:36–36:33)

  • Jason admits he’s not good at planning trips ("It's so funny how unnatural it is to me to think ahead to plan a trip.") and reflects on how his wife handles family logistics.

• What Makes Fun—And How Parenting Shifts It (35:32–37:02)

  • Seth: "I think more things are fun to me as I got older, as opposed to less."
  • Discussing how parenting means adapting to others’ (kids’/spouse's) ideas of vacation fun.

5. Mishaps and ‘Engineering’ at the Beach & Lake Tahoe

• Sand Crabs and Overambitious Engineering (37:16–39:38)

  • The Meyers recall endless digging up sand crabs at the beach, a ritual for Seth’s kids.

  • Jason recounts his and his son’s doomed attempt to build a working water tunnel using hardware-store plumbing, drawing in other kids—but doesn’t mind failure, embracing the group effort.

    "It didn't work at all. But that was perfect—I love getting lost on a weird mission like that."
    —Jason Schwartzman (39:38)

• Lake Tahoe Overboard Story (55:23–58:33)

  • On the Truckee River, Jason unintentionally launches himself out of the raft after striking a rock. He describes being “tumbled around,” barely able to stay above water until his family throws him a life vest; his son tries to jump in after him.

  • (“Please don’t drown in front of them.” — Jason Schwartzman, 57:13)

  • Returns to the boat, pretending it was fun but admits “I was scared as hell.”

    "That's the risk you always take on the Truckee River. You know it going in—and you know it going out. You just remember it during."
    —Jason Schwartzman (58:18)

6. The Search for Competence and Sharing It With Kids

• Parents as Role Models (or Not) (41:28–44:14)

  • Jason and Seth discuss the anxiety around not knowing how to do “practical” things like camping, and the (sometimes misplaced) childhood perception of parents as all-knowing.
  • Jason: "My kids don't get to see the one place where I feel competent in my work."
  • Seth: "When my kids come to my show, I'm so happy for them to see a place where I know what I'm doing."

• Home Movies, Memories, and Legacy (59:19–62:05)

  • The trio talk about their emotional blocks around watching old home videos, digitizing family footage, and the difference between "highlight reel" photos and the more mundane but revealing long-form home movies.
  • Seth admits he sometimes feels overwhelmed by his wife’s family's prolific home video-watching, joking, "It’s like watching a long documentary about unfamous people".

7. Jason’s New Show and Recent Work

• Show Announcement: Kevin (63:01–65:26)
  • Jason plugs his new Amazon show “Kevin” (premiering April 20), voiced with Aubrey Plaza and Joe Weingart, where he plays a cat “going out on his own for the first time.”
  • He shares how actor Ike Barinholtz profoundly changed his outlook on life during their recent film shoot together, speaking at length about his kindness and inclusive spirit.

    "He [Barinholtz] made me really see life through a different lens working with him."
    —Jason Schwartzman (65:20)

  • "He exists in hyperbole but without being inauthentic." — Seth (64:42)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Lice After Vacation:
  "I had lice and I didn't have the most lice." — Seth, 01:38
• Sibling Snafu:
  "How did you miss it?" — Ash, after finding the wallet Seth spent an hour searching for, 07:39
• Jason on Chapel Hill:
  "24 years ago, this gentleman's kindness was really the reason why...when my wife said, are you open to moving to this place, I was like, absolutely." — Jason, 20:02
• On Whitewater Mishap:
  "I was really struggling to stay above the water...I was scared as hell." — Jason, 57:44–58:05
• On Parenting & Performance:
  "My kids don’t get to see the one place I feel competent in my life." — Jason, 43:05
  "See all those people clapping for Daddy?" — Jeff, 44:10

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Timestamps for Highlight Segments

• Lice Story & Beach Football: 00:12–03:44
• Missing Wallet Saga: 05:01–07:46
• Negotiating Wake-Ups: 09:23–10:26
• The Moke Valet Mishap: 11:26–12:33
• Jason Moves to North Carolina: 14:18–20:02
• Kindness in Chapel Hill, Full Circle: 19:21–21:41
• Rockerty & Puppetry Camps: 31:23–34:36
• Lake Tahoe Overboard: 55:23–58:33
• Parenting, Competence, and Stage Work: 43:04–44:44
• “Kevin” Show Plug and Barinholtz Anecdote: 63:01–65:26

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Tone & Style

The episode is a breezy mix of wry self-awareness and affection, with plenty of laughter at family dysfunction, self-doubt, and nostalgic mishaps. Schwartzman, as ever, brings a thoughtful but unassuming perspective, happy to be the punchline of his own stories. The Meyers brothers riff and reminisce with familiarity, turning every tale—however embarrassing—into comic gold and proof of the enduring chaos (and warmth) of family.

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Closing Thought

Jason Schwartzman remains the podcast's most relatable guest, delighting in doomed beach “engineering,” floundering in rivers, and searching for competence as both a parent and a performer. He leaves the door open for future visits, proving some family trips (and conversations) are never finished.

"Can we just not put out this episode? Because it just makes...I'm just losing everything. I'm just a loser." — Jason Schwartzman (55:19)

"We love talking to you. We are going to book you again." — Seth Meyers (66:25)

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Listen to This Episode If:

• You want to hear about true family vacation disasters (lice, lost wallets, and being launched from boats)
• You enjoy smart, meandering conversations about modern parenting with real vulnerability
• You miss summer camp or ever felt out-of-place at one
• You love Jason Schwartzman’s particular brand of humility, wit, and nostalgia

Transcript

[Seth]

Hey, Baji.

[Jeff]

Hey, Sufi.

[Seth]

How are you?

[Jeff]

I'm great. How are you?

[Seth]

Good. We had a pretty cool visitor.

[Jeff]

Oh, yeah.

[Seth]

At our apartment.

[Narrator]

Huh.

[Seth]

This morning.

[Jeff]

I'm fascinated.

[Seth]

You want to guess?

[Jeff]

Visitor at the apartment? I don't.

[Seth]

Lice.

[Jeff]

Oh, geez.

[Seth]

It was. It was actually last night. So Addie. We went on vacation and Addie was scratching her head. My sister in law, Arielle, was like, I think she has lice. I'm like, no, we're just going to the beach every day. She's got sand in her hair.

[Jeff]

Yeah.

[Seth]

And then we came home last night and, you know, we had one of those little lice combs.

[Jeff]

Yeah. Cause you got so fancy.

[Seth]

Yeah. So Alexi pulled the lice comb through her hair and then put it on a tissue paper, and there was a little dot and she was like, it. Like it felt tiny. She goes, can you take a picture of it with your phone? And then zoom in and. And she's like, what's taking so long? I'm like, I can't because the. The dot keeps. I was like, I can't get a picture of it. It's moving around too much.

[Jeff]

Oh, no. That's a process.

[Seth]

It. Well, you know what I think, like, it. It's the best now that it's ever been. Right. Like, we found. I think it's called Lice Mamas. Hashtag. Not an ad. For real. Like, we called up a place and they were me like, hey, what's up, Lice mamas.

[Jeff]

Oh, yeah.

[Seth]

And. And they came over and so they checked all their heads.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Mm.

[Seth]

I guess. Did I have lice?

[Jeff]

I'm gonna guess you did not.

[Seth]

I had lice and I didn't have the most lice.

[Jeff]

Yeah.

[Seth]

Also, they said something very nice, which was. They go, you know, a lot of people say that dirty hair has lice. Lice actually likes clean hair. And I was like, based on that, I thought I was in the clear.

[Jeff]

That's what I thought, that your hair was gonna be so awash in, like, I don't know, old gel that lice wouldn't be able to see.

[Seth]

Yeah. That the lice would be like, no, thank you. Like this. This one star hotel. Yeah. So we had to do the light. But it's a process in that, like, it's like an hour a person to like, get the lice out.

[Jeff]

And they like slather you up and drag those combs through your hair. Right. Don't they?

[Seth]

I looked real. I had a real Gordon Gecko vibe

[Jeff]

this morning when I walked into the

[Seth]

Walked into the building, people like, hey, new hairstyle or lice? And I was like, license, is it

[Jeff]

incumbent upon you, if you are a family with lice, to then sort of tell the world? Is it like, we've got Covid. Is it.

[Seth]

Oh, interesting. And now I'm wondering if it's bad that it's on the podcast. I am pretty sure that when you have the people come and, like, de lice you, the lice moms, you're in the clear. Cause, like, they basically, like, they don't leave until they're confident that you ain't got no lice.

[Jeff]

Right. Well, that's fun.

[Seth]

Yeah. Good way to. Good way to come back to the city after our vacation. We had a great vacation and a lot of beach football with the boys.

[Jeff]

Oh, that's fun.

[Seth]

They can't catch if they're moving, so it's a lot of get to a spot, a lot of buttresses. I'm like, let's just. I'm like, let's play catch. I'm like, it's a lot of. A lot of families have full, robust lives just playing catch. And they're always like, no, we want to play a game. We want to keep score. Like, their whole life is like, who's winning, who's losing? Yeah. It's never just like, let's have a nice time together. Do you.

[Jeff]

I bought. You weren't there the last time I went to your apartment, but I found a tech. A tech mobile board game.

[Seth]

It's fantastic.

[Jeff]

It's fantastic. I played it with them, and it's so fun, and it's such a throwback, and it's so basic, but it's good.

[Seth]

I haven't seen it yet because they have this, like, new. I can't remember what's called, like, but they have this, like, refurbished Game Boy type thing where they can only play, like, Mario Tetris, that kind of thing.

[Jeff]

Yeah.

[Seth]

And they got a Tecmo bowl for that, which I haven't seen yet, but I've heard they don't like it, which I'm surprised by, because they loved playing your TECMO board game. But I think there was something about the actual Tecmo bowl that, like, they had fallen in love with the board game version more, which is obviously, in this day and age, incredible.

[Jeff]

Yeah. What kind of football are you throwing around? Little Nerf ball or.

[Jason Schwartzman]

No, little.

[Seth]

Little, like, rubbery leather thing, but, like, smaller.

[Jeff]

Yeah.

[Seth]

You know, it's not an official football because it's like, aqua and there's a Bunch of, like, sea life on it.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yeah.

[Jeff]

Like, if it hit some. If it goes through their hands and hits them right on the head. Is somebody crying or is it, like, soft?

[Seth]

Stunned, I would say. Stunned. And then assessing whether or not they should cry and then. And then find. Yeah, yeah.

[Jeff]

And you were. You had. You had the whole. The whole ash posse with you.

[Seth]

The mishpuka, as it's known. Yeah, we had the whole mish Book of lovely. You know. You know, they're. They're a good group.

[Jeff]

Yeah. Were Tom and Joanne, the. The grandparents on that side? Were they off doing their own thing?

[Seth]

No, they were with us most of the time.

[Jeff]

Okay.

[Seth]

They're. They're a good hang.

[Jeff]

Yeah, I know. They are better. They also like, doing their own things.

[Seth]

They do, like, doing their own thing, but, you know, they didn't have a social life. Like, a lot of times we are with them, and their friends are around, and so they didn't have any of that here. Gotcha. You will enjoy that. At one point. And I kept my cool on this trip. I think I did a really good job right at the end. I was very mad at Axel. Both Alexei and I said, don't bring your wallet. He has this, like, old wallet, and he has all his money in it, which is, like, $41. And, like, he has, like, a decommissioned ID of mine. Like, just like. It's like. But he means a lot to him. And we're like, don't bring it. Like, you're just gonna lose it or,

[Jeff]

like, to take it.

[Seth]

Yeah, he wanted to bring it on the. On the trip. Just on the trip in general. Like, don't bring your wallet. He's like, I need it. So he brings his wallet. Last day, he's like, I don't know where my wallet is. And we got, like, an hour before we leave. And I'm. To my credit, I literally spent an hour looking for this wallet. And there's one. At one point, like, everybody's like, have we checked the loft? There's, like, this, like, sort of loft room. And. And I'm like, axel, you've been in the loft. He's like, I went in the loft. And so I was like, I'll go check the loft. So I go and check the loft. I don't see the wallet. And I'm just like. I'm. You know, I'm like, axel, we don't have your wallet. And he's, like, so upset. And, you know, at the same time, I'm like, which doesn't matter to a kid. But I'm like, we told you not to bring it. He's not like, ah, you're right, it is. So it's a teachable moment. Is it a teachable moment, Papa? So then Ash goes up in the loft on his own and finds the wallet. So it was somewhere else. I had missed it. Yeah, in the loft. And Ash comes down. I'm so happy. And then you can imagine this from my in laws.

[Jeff]

Yeah.

[Seth]

And they're like, didn't we say to look there? I said to check the loft. And I'm like, didn't. I thought I said to look there. And. And then I think I said something along the lines of like, oh, look at us go. Turning a positive into a negative.

[Jeff]

Have you considered the possibility that Ash had stolen this wallet? And then was like, oh, I'll go look for it. Oh, here it is.

[Seth]

Oh, the whole time.

[Jeff]

And he was like, this is. I'm holding on to this piece of hot property and I need to find a way to right this ship. And I'll go look at the place that everyone's saying to go look. And I've had it the entire time.

[Seth]

I mean, he. Because he did me so dirty. Well, because not only. Because he came down and he was like. Not only was he like. Because I was like, oh, my God, you found it. And instead of being like, yeah, it was under the. He's like, yeah, it was right there. How did you miss it? Like, immediately. And I'm like, just like, give your brother the wallet. It was bad and it was right at the end. But I. I was very. I felt very good. I was in the water a lot, playing with kids. Addie had this little inflatable flamingo. Like, you know, a little ring that she'd be in the middle of.

[Jeff]

Yeah.

[Seth]

And she. All she wanted to do was go as deep as we could in the ocean. And then she would tell me to go and check how deep it was, and I had to go underwater. We play a game where I pretend to be Count Olaf from the Lemony Snicket Books. And it is an exhausting game that I don't want to play anymore because I have to. I have to do a voice. And at some point, the voice gets frustrating to do. And she's very bossy. When we play Count Olaf, she'll be like, count Olaf, you are Count Olaf, but you are nice and you are hungry, and the only one who has food is me. And it's just. She's the best, though. She's also watching her swim. We Also had a pool and she likes to dive for rings. And she's just like a very strong swimmer. And like being underwater and watching her like go like kick her little legs and get down and it's great.

[Jeff]

I like diving for rings, too.

[Seth]

Diving for rings, really good.

[Jeff]

Yeah. If I'm at a pool and they have them, I'll just throw them into myself and.

[Seth]

Did I tell you the story about me and Axel negotiating what time he could wake me up yet?

[Jeff]

Mom and dad told me.

[Seth]

Yeah, but man, talk about something they shouldn't do.

[Jeff]

No, but like, it's a good story. I think you can relate the story for our listeners.

[Seth]

The story is I was having to sleep in the bunk bed. I slept in Ash's upper bunk. Cause Ash was sick and sleeping with Alexi. And so I said, axel, remember, don't wake me up until 7. He goes, I'm going to wake you up at 6. And I'm like, 6:40. And he goes, 6:20. And I'm like, 6 30. And he's 6:20. And I go, 6:25. He goes, 6:20. And then I go, 6:21. He goes, all right, fine, but I might be a minute early. It's like the best.

[Jeff]

And what time did he get you up?

[Seth]

Six. Oh, you know what? 6:30. And he said, you look tired. No, 6:25. He said, you look tired. So I gave you five more minutes.

[Jeff]

Do you think for that five minutes he was just standing next to you looking at you?

[Seth]

I think he. Like, I was top bunk, so. Yeah, right. I think he might have been. Cause I feel like I heard like some creaking on this. I think he creaked up the stairs, creaked down, and then like thought, you know, he did the best he could.

[Jeff]

Yeah, yeah. He wakes up, he's ready to go.

[Seth]

We had our niece with us and there was. We put all four of them in one room and kind of a disaster.

[Jeff]

Oh, yeah.

[Seth]

But it was fine at night when the three of them all went to bed together.

[Jeff]

Yeah.

[Seth]

Also no screens, but we have these, you know, these like story boxes that are sort of all the rage right now.

[Jeff]

Yeah.

[Seth]

Four kids with headphones on going to bed is a very funny look. It does. It looks like. It looks like first class in an airplane. Like they're just like four lie flat seats.

[Jeff]

They can't just agree to listen to one story together.

[Jason Schwartzman]

No, no.

[Seth]

And then eventually we just. We moved a mattress into our room and Addie slept with us.

[Jeff]

There you go.

[Seth]

Very good. Super fun. Super fun trip. I. Oh, the other thing is we were driving. You know what a moke is? You know those little cars? No. They're very cool. You'd like a moke?

[Jeff]

Yeah.

[Seth]

And I was, you know, I was very excited to drive one and went to this restaurant and valeted it. And then it was right there. It was right by the valet stand. And so, you know, I paid the guy and I'm like, it's that one right there. He's like, do you want me to pull it out for you? I'm like, nah, man, I'm good. And then I fully backed it into a motorcycle. And the guy who had just. I just been like, I got it was literally did this. He was like, ah,

[Jeff]

I am looking at that. It is cool.

[Seth]

It's very cool.

[Jeff]

Yeah. Oh, fun.

[Seth]

But I. I had to. I do want everybody to know. It was not, like, the motorcycle was not. You couldn't tell anything. But I did give the guy my number and was like, tell him what happened if you want. And nobody called me, so. No.

[Jeff]

There you go.

[Seth]

I mean, I'm sorry. I gave him a number.

[Jeff]

You have Maxel's number.

[Seth]

I gave Axel's number.

[Jeff]

We have a returning guest. First time we've had just a. Straight up. Someone's been a guest and they came back and they're doing a full episode as a guest again. It's Jason Schwartzman, everybody.

[Seth]

He's the best. He kind of requested. He was like, get me back out there.

[Jeff]

Yeah. And he. He kind of requested again.

[Seth]

Yeah, I think this isn't. This isn't the last. Yeah, the last we've heard of.

[Jeff]

He's got a new. A new show called Kevin, which he'll tell you. He loves it. Yeah, he just loves it.

[Seth]

He plays a cat. We love him.

[Jeff]

Yeah.

[Seth]

And do enjoy. And it's great to see you, Pashi. Yeah, it's been a minute after a week away.

[Jeff]

And.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yeah.

[Narrator]

Here's Jeff Tweedy family chips with the Myest Brothers.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Family chips with the My

[Seth]

Brothers. Here we go.

[Jason Schwartzman]

I see.

[Seth]

There he is.

[Jason Schwartzman]

I see.

[Jeff]

Returning champion. Returning champion.

[Seth]

You know, this is a first timer.

[Jeff]

Yeah. First time we've had a return guest. Well, Oliphant. Olyphant's been on twice.

[Seth]

That's true. But he's kind of. Yeah, he's a. He comes uninvited.

[Jason Schwartzman]

He just clinks on a zoom link that just to see if he does.

[Seth]

He kind of has. Yeah, he has one of those. His zoom is that premium zoom where you can just join any zoom you want. He gets an alert when there's a podcast. I feel like Jason's already frozen. No, there he is.

[Jeff]

Thank God.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Is it my problem or is it.

[Jeff]

No, it's your.

[Seth]

It is your problem. Cause you've moved out of a center of our industry. You used to be where the industry was, where the Internet was good, and now you've decamped. Are you public about the fact that you've left Los Angeles?

[Jason Schwartzman]

Should I be using a personal hotspot? Is that what you.

[Seth]

I have a landline hotspot.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Wait, I do notice it, but is it better now?

[Jeff]

Yeah. Yeah. Yes.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yeah. Well, we're working on it. Yeah. I haven't told. I mean, I haven't told. I mean, some of my family probably doesn't know that I'm here.

[Seth]

Okay.

[Jason Schwartzman]

But I love it.

[Seth]

That's great. Are you.

[Jeff]

Have you moved out of the state? I don't need you to say exactly where you've landed here.

[Jason Schwartzman]

So mysterious. I'm. Sorry. Hold on. Bonjour.

[Jeff]

Oh. Oh, mon Dieu.

[Seth]

You're in Montreal.

[Jason Schwartzman]

I'm in Montreal, of all places. No, we moved to North Carolina.

[Seth]

What was the impetus behind it? Do you have a connection to it?

[Jason Schwartzman]

Well, it's not a funny story, but I'll tell you because you just asked. It's a weird story, and I don't know how the right way to tell it, but first of all, here's how I found out about us moving. I found out about it last year. I was checking in with my family, who was. They were on spring break, and I was working, and my eldest daughter's best friend since kindergarten. They are like sisters. It's like another. We're very lucky to have that. I don't. I, you know, very like. She's like another daughter to us, in a way. And so our two families were on a trip together, which, yes, I wasn't on. And we were just catching up, my wife and I. And then she said, oh, I have to go, but we're thinking about moving it. Moving to North Carolina, if we can talk about it more. But. But soon, the girl. If we do it, we're gonna have to do it before ninth grade, so we have to move this summer about half to go. And I said, okay. All right.

[Seth]

Is this in line with the way your wife often is? Or were you taken aback by this? Or were you like, oh, that's her.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Great question. It's not in line for her to. That's a pretty big.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[Jeff]

I mean, if she's doing this kind of stuff all the time.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yeah. No, that's a. I mean, no, I mean, but it's not in line for me to hear like, hey, we're going to have pizza tonight, you know, if you're okay with it. Yes, no problem. But yeah, but no, yeah, we're not, we're moving this fall is not something that. But anyway, but I get, you know, and they had my wife and, and the wife of their family had been talking about it and yeah, I think it was just like wanting a different way of life and our kids really kind of were the ones that like initiated it, to be honest. But the story for me, that is. So we have no roots down here or anything, but in 1994 or 5, I forget when the first Ben Folds Five record came out.

[Seth]

It seems about right.

[Jason Schwartzman]

By the way, I got, I remember, I got it and looking through the book, the booklet, and I remember there being a picture inside of it of them playing live. And it said, it said the name of the venue in North Carolina. I don't know if the, you know, and I said to myself, okay, if we ever get to tour and, and, and, and play it, this is going to be like a big place for me. Gotta go there. And sure enough, seven, you know, 2002 or one or two, we, we, we get, we get to this venue and it's. I'm so happy to be there. We're loading in and everything and I'm just like a real dream come true. And anyway, I was going to call a taxi to go to a market to get food for our next leg of our journey. And this gentleman who was helping us there was like, oh no, there's a, you don't have to call it. He was just very sweet. He's like, there's down there, to the left, to the right is this wonderful co op. And there done. Tell him. I said, and he was just so helpful and so sweet and kind and you know, when you're in a place for just a short amount of time that a person like that can come to represent the place to, you know. Though we went back many times, it was like Chapel Hill, they're nice, you know, like that really was the impression. It was so sweet. And sure enough. So when we came to. Oh, anyway, I said the name. Well, whatever.

[Jeff]

Sure.

[Seth]

Blew up your own spot.

[Jeff]

Fuck yeah, it's okay.

[Seth]

Well, anyway, I could tell from the window is Chapel Hill. By the way.

[Jeff]

Get ready.

[Seth]

Chapel Hill.

[Jeff]

Here come the crowds. Here come the.

[Jason Schwartzman]

No, I, it's, it's not, it's really. Well, I didn't want to Say. Because it really is because just Bill Belichick moved here. We wanted to just kind of check it out.

[Seth]

Follow. You followed Belichick?

[Jason Schwartzman]

We're into it. Yeah, we just follow him. We kind of picked him as a way.

[Seth]

Is your daughter's friend his girlfriend?

[Jason Schwartzman]

No, no, no, no, no, no. But they have. But that is funny. They have the same name. I'm not kidding. But anyway, but here's the story. So we come back here just, you know, to. To my. To check it out, to see if our kids like it. We go to the club. I take my son to the club that I played because I have a friend that lives here, a musician. And I said, hey, we're in town and I would love to see you. And he said, well, I'm going over there right now. If you want, I'm going to do like a music video type thing and you want, I can show you guys around. I said, great. So my son and I go over there. We walk over and my friend's standing outside and he says, oh, Derek, this is Jason. Jason, this is Derek. Derek runs the place. I say, hello, it's nice to meet you. He goes, I loaded in your drums for you 24 years ago. And I said, no. You say that, you know, to all the drummers. And he said, no. You had a black sparkle Ludwig drum set with little drawings that he knew. He remembered, like very. He knew it. And as he's talking, I realized this is the person that told me where to go to this. To this co op. And I didn't ever tell him. I still haven't told him, but it just was so powerful because I thought, gosh, in many ways, this gentleman's kindness 24 years ago was really the reason why when my wife said, are you open to moving to this place? I was like, absolutely. Because of that guy. And it's just weird and I know, it's so. Just bizarre to me. I couldn't believe it. And it was very. It was very cool.

[Seth]

Well, you seem very happy about the move, so I congratulate.

[Jason Schwartzman]

It's not great. I don't love it. It's like, it's. But we're. You know, I'm hardly here. I'm mostly in la.

[Seth]

No, no, I just went down. I did stand up in Durham maybe two months ago.

[Jason Schwartzman]

You're kidding.

[Seth]

I know. I'm bummed and I feel like maybe somebody told me when I was after the show, somebody mentioned that you'd moved down there, and I was equally bummed that I. But I just Want to say about the area you're talking about.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yeah.

[Seth]

Not only one of the best shows I've done in that. In regards to how responsive the audience was.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yeah.

[Seth]

But afterwards we walked to, like a local bar and just.

[Jeff]

So we.

[Seth]

We ended up kind of walking down the street with people who'd been at the show.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yeah.

[Seth]

And it was just the most lovely people to be around.

[Jason Schwartzman]

So shout out to that area where. Do you. Do you remember where you D. Pac. Okay, I. I love that we. I went and took my son. We went Neil DeGrasse Tyson there and it was really.

[Seth]

So. It was pretty. It would have been redundant if you saw me. It's pretty. It's pretty similar.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yeah. I don't like to ever go to the same place twice, except 24 years later, it's me.

[Seth]

It's me with the no science stuff. No science knowledge. Talking about.

[Jason Schwartzman]

I wonder where you went, though. Oh, yeah, no science.

[Seth]

I do a lot of science. We went to a cool little bar. Although we went. Do you know Emily Spivey?

[Jason Schwartzman]

She's from.

[Seth]

Yeah. So I think that might have been. Who said that you were down there. She lives down there and she. Yeah, she came to the show and we went to a bar and it was a really cool bar. And then maybe at like 10 o', clock, the bar was like transitioning into more of a nightclub and they turned the music up and it was. We felt 100 years old because we were having so much fun. And then we immediately were like, we. Well, I can't hear anything.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, it's. But there are so many wonderful. I wonder where you went because there's so many wonderful. I haven't really explored, but it's wonderful down there. I love it.

[Jeff]

Did the move have anything to do with you being intimidated by Nick Offerman?

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yeah.

[Jeff]

Yeah.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Okay. Yeah, yeah.

[Jeff]

At the end of the last episode, you talked about.

[Seth]

No, it's. Well, it's.

[Jason Schwartzman]

I.

[Jeff]

You didn't say his name, but we.

[Jason Schwartzman]

I. It was pretty easy to figure out, I'll tell you. I think. Yeah, I. I guess I ran away or. Yeah, I left.

[Jeff]

Right. Rather than. Rather than confront the streets.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yeah. And it's great because here I speak with an English accent and I just kind of. I've reinvented myself. And it's. It's. It's so cool because you don't get to do that in life, you know, it's like.

[Seth]

It's so funny for an actor to think they can move and reinvent themselves.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Hello.

[Narrator]

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[Jason Schwartzman]

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[Seth]

which you do have dairies here. Oh, yes. You're very clearly gonna take them over for nefarious means. Yes, do show me your dairies.

[Jason Schwartzman]

And so these bagels, they're sold at a prices such as this.

[Seth]

Really? They're like, hey, Jason Schwarzman's acting like a dumb British person. He's shocked by the cost of everything.

[Jason Schwartzman]

It's this many pounds for a bagel. Why? Anyway, sorry.

[Seth]

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[Jeff]

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[Jeff]

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[Seth]

Probably for the best. Probably for the best. Mom and dad aren't using. Once they start saying it, it's over, everybody.

[Jeff]

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[Jason Schwartzman]

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[Jeff]

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[Jason Schwartzman]

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[Seth]

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[Jeff]

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[Jeff]

The first time you were on, Seth asked you, like, what was a big vacation that you took? And you responded there weren't any.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yes.

[Jeff]

So, yeah, so this is. But then at the end of the episode, you said, I had so many stories that I wanted to tell, so I kind of like feel free to just tell any of those stories.

[Jason Schwartzman]

You know, I forgot, I forgot so many of what they were because they were so coming out of things we were talking about. But I know that. Well, one really big one was that we talked about towards the end. We actually brought up these two big trips that I did take where I went to a playwriting festival. Remember, we talked about this and did I go into it at great detail, though?

[Jeff]

Some detail. There was one in Italy where you

[Jason Schwartzman]

would go to never talk about. Never talk. Yeah, I'm not talking about.

[Jeff]

And then the other one that your mom got invited to and then never went to a show, but you went to all the shows.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Okay, so I've done those. I've done those. Okay, so, okay, those were big ones that I was excited to talk about more. But why don't we just find new things to talk about? And where did we leave off? Can you refresh me?

[Jeff]

Those were the last. I did want to ask you, you didn't go into much depth about puppetry or rocketry camp.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yeah, I can tell you about that in depth. I mean. Okay, but what is depth? What is depth?

[Seth]

I mean, by the way, for a kid who at one point was going to rocketry camp and now bringing his own son to see Neil DeGrasse Tyson. What a life is a flat circle or.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Well, let's talk about this. No, no, but here I think that's just. I, I, I know what you're saying, but we were going to Neil DeGrasse Tyson to like, we were just tailgating. We didn't actually see him.

[Seth]

Oh, I see.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yeah.

[Jeff]

Hanging out outside.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Hanging out outside.

[Seth]

Well, let's just say we hang out with the anti science crowd.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yeah, right.

[Seth]

Cause a little trouble at Neil DeGrasse Tyson.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Hey, where you. Where you idiots going? Going into there, D pack. Huh? Okay. But we. Nope. You know, so it's funny you say my. My kids go to sleepaway camp and they love it and they go for two weeks, which. And my son went for the first time when he was six. God. Or like. Yeah. I mean, like at a remarkably young age, truly, to be away for two weeks in a totally different place. And he loved it. And it's funny because my wife, she loved camp. She went, I think, for like, she was one of those people who'd go for a month. And the idea of that is. Was, you know, a hard thing for me to want to do as a kid. And I said to my wife, why did you like. Were you like. When you was like raced to like a buoy, did you know, everyone line up on the dock? And that's not what I am good at. And I don't like that kind of. That kind of instant competition. I think that's what led me to rocketry and puppetry camp was because it was a bit more like. I mean, though some rockets would go higher than others and it would be easy to tell they were a clear, you know, better rocket. It was a bit more supportive and I think that, you know, I could come home and the. At the puppetry camp I loved so much because I still have the puppet. My mom still has it. It was a giant worm. It's one of the. Yeah. I have a photo of myself with it. And I just. I think that I loved. That's the environment that I felt kind of better in. I think even at a. At a young age was like, is that weird to say that?

[Seth]

It's a.

[Jason Schwartzman]

It's a.

[Seth]

It's.

[Jason Schwartzman]

It's kind of. I guess it's non comp. Competitive in a way compared to other stuff. Like, it was. I liked the idea of like, oh, what do you got over there? Oh, those are good buttons.

[Narrator]

Those are good.

[Jason Schwartzman]

That's really good. You should keep going with that. Is that a spider? You know, I think that like, I was really. I liked that environment and. And seeing what everyone. I liked making things. And I think that that's always been like a, you know, even now where my, like, you know, my wife's really good at. While running our lives and our families. But. But also, you know, and part of that is trips and coming up. And it's so funny how unnatural it is to me to think ahead to plan a trip. It's Not.

[Seth]

No.

[Jason Schwartzman]

You know, and I. And I don't know. I don't know if it's from never doing it, but she said to me recently, like, well, what is your idea of, like, fun or relaxing? And it was such a weird question because I have so much fun, and I'm like. I'm like, I love. I love everything, and I'm so relaxed, I think. But it didn't stump me, and I don't know how to answer such a question.

[Seth]

It is very funny for someone you've been married to for a very long time and three children. Correct.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yeah. To ask me, what's my idea?

[Seth]

Just, like, late in and be like, what chills you out?

[Jason Schwartzman]

What are you into? To. When's your birthday? No, we. No, it's. Well, no, it was. It was just. I think she was a little frustrated and I think genuinely confused.

[Seth]

Right.

[Jason Schwartzman]

I mean, do you find the same things fun that you found fun when you were a kid? Have the. Is there a through line?

[Seth]

Nothing's changed for me as far as what I find fun and what I find. But I. I actually think more things are fun to me as I got older, as opposed to less. Well, because my kids are wired a little bit differently than I was. My wife is very wired differently. And so it's a lot of being outdoors. It's a lot of beach and, like, boat and things that I am not covetous of. And yet I have found that, because that's where my children are. If I kind of open my heart to it, it's a great way to spend time. But, like, even when Joshua and I go, you know, our parents would bring us to Florida, and I would just want to, like, sit in a hotel room and read a book. Like, that's all I ever wanted to do. And you can't do that as a dad.

[Jason Schwartzman]

What do you do? No. And what do you do at the beach?

[Seth]

Now? I feel like, you know, they.

[Jason Schwartzman]

That's a strange question. I'm just, like, curious.

[Seth]

They're a little bit more. They can. You know, the boys are about to be 10 and 8, and so they can entertain themselves a little bit. But, like, if they bring a football to a beach, like, they want me to throw it the whole time. That's not bad. Like, it's more fun. I like that more than five years ago, where it was like, dig us a hole. Eat a lot of, like, dig us a hole. And that was just. I just felt like. I don't know. There's that scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail where they're just like. There's some people just putting mud in buckets. That's what surfs did. And that's kind of what I felt I was doing. It's just putting mud in a bucket. Cause we might need it later, right?

[Jason Schwartzman]

No, I hear you. I hear you.

[Jeff]

The beach that Seth and his kids will go to, I've been there. And there are these little sand crabs. And you dig in the sand and inevitably there's like two or three sand crabs with every scoop of sand.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Which kind. A little. Tiny.

[Seth]

Tiny. Little white, almost translucent.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yes. That disappear sort of very quickly.

[Seth]

They run away.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Okay.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[Jeff]

And Seth's middle son Axel would always point them out like it was the first time, but it was. Every single scoop, he'd be like, sand crab. I got it, bro. I got it.

[Seth]

Oh, oh. Sand crab.

[Jeff]

And it was like, you could not pick up sand without getting a sand crab.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Does he love when the sand. When you have a bucket of sand and a sand crab goes in the bucket, he's like, definitely one in here.

[Seth]

Yeah. And then, right. They're like, there's so many in this bucket. And you're like, it's all. They're just a hundred sand crabs is basically the same as no sand crabs to me.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yeah, no, it's funny you say that, because that is. I do love that. Like, I loved you. Give me some buckets and a shovel. I will dig. And last summer. Last summer we went to Lake Tahoe and I was sitting on this beach, this little beach by the lake. It was so beautiful. And cooked up this idea with my son that we could try to make some type of, like a pipe, a pipeline connecting one thing of water to. To. To another to have it filter in around a sandcastle. So we went to the hardware store and we bought. Went to the plumbing section. I bought various, like, pipes and things. And I had no idea what. I mean, it's the first time I've ever been to the. That part of the so. And it was just weird. I mean, the guy, I didn't want to tell him what I was there to buy. I mean, why I was buying.

[Seth]

He's like, what's your project?

[Jason Schwartzman]

You're like, all right, you know, a three bedroom lagoon adjacent.

[Seth]

But, like, you're like winking at your son, like, don't give up the game.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yeah, but we bought this. I bought this really cool, fun pipe. And we went out there and we must have dug all day and buried it and tried to. And it was just like. And other Kids were coming over. What are you doing? You know, we're like, we're building a tunnel from the. You know, it was like. And it just became kind of like, get in if you want to get. Everyone was helping and it didn't work at all. But it was. That's, that was. That's an idea of like a perfect. That I love. Like kind of getting lost on a weird mission like, that I love.

[Jeff]

Were. Did any other parents come by and look at it and be like, no, it was not gonna work?

[Jason Schwartzman]

No, I felt one. There was one guy looking at me from a distance. That's what I felt he was thinking. But that was. Could be total projection. But I did feel that he was clearly going like, idiot. If you just. If he just had it higher than the other side of it, the water would go straight down.

[Seth]

I mean, I don't know much, but I think that, I think that was obvious.

[Jason Schwartzman]

That I know. That I know. No, no, that I know. Obviously I didn't. I'm just, you know.

[Seth]

But I think he taught you that at Rocket how. Yeah. Your oldest is, is. Your oldest is a teenager, right?

[Jason Schwartzman]

15.

[Seth]

Wow. So what is, what is. What are family vacations like now with a 15 year old?

[Jason Schwartzman]

Great. Well, they're,

[Seth]

they're.

[Jason Schwartzman]

She loves, she really loves a pool. They love. You know, they like, they like. It's like, I mean a kind of a classic. She likes a pool at a book and you know, they love that. That's what they. They. So there's a lot of like, it's a pool focused type thing I find.

[Seth]

But still part of the family unit. She hasn't like rejected like the idea of being.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Oh my God. No. We have the. I mean, I'm so lucky to say that my kids are. I just, I love them so much and. No, they're pretty down with. I mean, that said, I do have a thing where other people talk about what they're about to do on a trip and it makes me feel like I'm not a good parent. There's a lot of things I didn't learn to do that I therefore can't really impart.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[Jason Schwartzman]

And I, you know, and, and like we like. Yeah. Puppets. We could, we could do all day here.

[Seth]

But I feel the same way where I would. I would like to go camping with my kids and I'm a little worried about doing it.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yeah.

[Seth]

Unless we're with some people who've done some camping.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yeah. But I think one of the great things. I don't know if you felt this way. But, like, my dad was a very, like, knew what to do type of person. At least that was the impression I got. I'm sure that he maybe didn't. Who knows? But, like, a real, like, that guy is a. Like a. To me, like a. Like this superhero, just badass, you know, and new things, new answers to things. And I. I just. I think that for whatever reason, I'm. I'm obviously different than him, and I've really just embraced that. And I think that it's been. I just kind of go with it. So, like, the camping thing, I would probably be like, let's figure it out together. Like, I try to make it, but that I. That's what I'm saying. I kind of feel like my son's like, I don't want to learn it with you. I want you to go out on a reconnaissance mission, do your homework, figure out the thing, and then show me how to camp when you learn how to do it. I don't want to be on YouTube in the mountains watching how to assemble a tent, like, with the poles. I just want you to do it.

[Seth]

Yeah. It turns out kids are drawn to competence. It does turn out.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Well, I'm finding that. Well, I'm finding that to be true. And the weird thing is that. Well, I don't know if this is a good thing to say, but, you know, so much of the things that I do for a living, they don't get to see me do.

[Seth]

Right.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Which I'm not competent in that either. But if it's the one place in my life where I sort of feel competent a bit, and I. But they don't get to see that. So for all they know, as I'm talking to you now, it sounds like a pretty terrible childhood for them. I mean, they really don't have a father is what it sounds like. Well. But I will say we went to a music store the other day in town because my son's taking drum lessons now, and they were really. I felt so into. I just knew, you know, I was. That I was in my element there. And I think they were really like. We walked out. My daughter's like, wow, you really knew your way around there. They really liked you.

[Seth]

I was like, yeah, that's great.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yeah. I felt like, ugh.

[Seth]

See, I mean, it's embarrassing, but, like, when my kids come to my show, I'm so happy thanking to see a place where I know what I'm doing, where I think it's just like a moment where they're like, okay, right. All right. Thank God. Thank God there's some place where he's.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Do you really feel that way?

[Seth]

Terrified. I really do. I'm like, oh, see, look, Daddy knows where to go, knows where to stand.

[Jeff]

See all those people clapping for Daddy?

[Seth]

They know that he's here.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Wow.

[Seth]

It is just nice when they're like, oh, he doesn't just leave to go act like he does here.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Right? Exactly. Exactly. And it. Yeah, it's just. And, you know, it's also too, like, for me, you know, if I. If I'm gonna go to work or something. And so much of it is just kind of like thinking, you know, you're just thinking about stuff all day long. Like, it's just on your mind all the time. You can't stop thinking about stuff. So. But it. That doesn't look like you're work. I mean, from a distance, that looks like you could be staring at the floor or something. And so it's. It's weird, you know, like you're thinking about stuff so much, but, you know, your kids just see you sitting there sometimes, and yeah, you're like, I'm sorry. I am kind of. I mean, I'm not technically working, but, you know, this is part of what I do. And. But I was at work recently and I was like, bye, guys, I gotta go to work. And then 10, 20 minutes later, it was on the set, someone showing me, like, want to see the cool chimney gag? How we can get the guy to fall down straight to the chimney? I was like, this is the best. Like, I just wish, like, it doesn't feel like it, you know, I wish they could see me go to work. And first, this is what I do for work. And I just. I'm the happiest person in the world. I love working. I could just. I could. I'm the best version of my cell phone. I love it.

[Seth]

I mean, I think, you know, we're lucky. And I was talking. I just had Kurt Russell on the show, and he was talking about how many of his grandkids were like, you know, creative people and both how you are excited that they're doing something they love, but also a little worried because you know what the business is like. And I was just like, the problem is, like, we love it. And why wouldn't they want to do a thing that. It looks fun, it is fun.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yeah. Yeah. And I. It. Yeah. I mean, Kurt Russell, I met him just one time, by the way, and I'll never forget how his hands felt. Yeah, it was like. It was incredible. It Was like, it was like literally shaking hands with like a beautiful baseball mitt or something like that. It was, it was enveloping and it was enveloping and, like had a feeling like established 1872, like, you know what I mean? Like, it was just like, it was like, for real, like, it was like, right. And I, I just remember he shook my hand. I was like, I have never had this experience. I've never had this experience shaking someone's hand like this. This is a different type of hand. And I couldn't believe. The only thing that was just distracting besides that was just his eyes so blue and beautiful. And I just can't, you know, you can't believe it. But, man, yeah, yeah, he's the real deal. But. But what was I gonna say is, yeah, I mean, I think that, yeah, we do love what we do. And it's fun too, because, you know, I love what I do. And just because I like, I like, I'm really moved by the idea of like a bunch of a group of people trying to make one thing is quite. It's. It's very moving to me. So whether it's a band or what, you know, I'm just like, I like, I'm very. I, you know, I'm very moved by that. And I wish, yeah, I wish they could see that. But I don't like them to come to the set because I'm a kind of a dick on the set. I want to also see daddy being a dick.

[Jeff]

Hey, we're going to take a quick break and hear from some of our sponsors.

[Seth]

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[Jeff]

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[Jason Schwartzman]

there's no one like you and there never will be. From the producer, Bohemian Rhapsody

[Jeff]

There are

[Jason Schwartzman]

many legends, but There is only one Michael. Rated PG 13. In theaters April 24th.

[Seth]

Here we go.

[Jeff]

You mentioned you have some Polish heritage. I do in the last episode. Have you ever been To Poland?

[Jason Schwartzman]

Never. I'm dying to go.

[Seth]

Okay.

[Jason Schwartzman]

I'm dying to go. I'm dying to go.

[Seth]

Alexi does. My wife does, too. And I really want to go. I feel like there's no. I've never been. She's never been. Really? Yeah.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Where's her family from? Do you know?

[Seth]

Krakow. I want to say.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Okay.

[Seth]

But I might be making that up. But, you know, it's that weird thing where, like, you know, obviously, you know, Jewish people from Poland often didn't leave for the best reason. And so I think it's a weird. The visit back is like an interesting place to me. Yeah. Yeah.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Truly true. No, absolutely. And my grandparents, though, they left earlier anyhow, I think they hit. But. But yeah, I grew up. I didn't even realize they had accents until I remember being like 25 and then realizing they had accents one day because that was just how they talked. But they spoke. They taught themselves how to play English by. By playing Scrabble every night, which is pretty fun. Yeah, it was neat.

[Seth]

That's great.

[Jason Schwartzman]

And, you know, I still remember their breath and everything.

[Seth]

Any you mentioned, are you so bored right now?

[Jason Schwartzman]

Are you so bored?

[Seth]

No, no, no. I was just trying to imagine what their breath was like.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Oh, it's good. I'm letting you guys down. I'm sorry. I fucked up. I fucked up. I just thought I fucked up because I was like, oh, they got. They know. They want. I forgot it was me. Who's saying I had more talk.

[Seth]

I was just like, oh, you just wanted to talk.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yeah. I was like, they got stuff for me. I was like, they got stuff for me.

[Seth]

I've got more to ask you, like, because we're about to maybe embark on our first family Disney trip. It was that something. The Schwarzman and yes, very much.

[Jason Schwartzman]

As a kid, a few times. As parents, a lot.

[Seth]

Yes.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Where are you going to go?

[Seth]

Not.

[Jason Schwartzman]

No.

[Seth]

I mean, I would, like, I think it's, you know, it's Florida and it's, you know, because there's also universal down there. And so maybe, you know.

[Jason Schwartzman]

You're going to do that?

[Seth]

I think we might do it. Yeah.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Okay. So that's a little. So I grew up in la. I know. Disneyland. I know.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[Jason Schwartzman]

I only went to the Florida one last two summers ago. I don't know. It's totally different. It's so big.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[Jason Schwartzman]

I mean, it's humongous. It's five parks or something, right?

[Seth]

Yeah, it's great.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yeah, it's humongous. Yeah. Another. That's another. And then we went to the water slide park that's connected to universal and. Yeah, that was another one like waterslide park. What am I doing at a water slide park?

[Jeff]

Well, what did you do? I mean, would you go on the daring of rides?

[Jason Schwartzman]

Guess which one I went on the Lazy River.

[Seth]

Yeah. That seems like your speed. That does.

[Jason Schwartzman]

No, I loved it. I loved it because there's a part where it's like kind of rapidly like, whoa. You know, I like that part.

[Seth]

And then you're like, oh, thank God now, whoa.

[Narrator]

We just got to get through this one part.

[Seth]

Wait, did you ever. Have you not. I'm going to step away from a second. Have you ever been on an actual whitewater raft?

[Jason Schwartzman]

No, I've never been white water rafting. I've always wanted to do that.

[Seth]

We did it once. We did it once when we were young. Yeah, really. And they were. It was one of those. It was the most of those photos where you do an experience where there's like one part of the whitewater rapids and this was on a proper river, but it was a tour and they clearly knew the best place to take a picture.

[Jason Schwartzman]

How many other were you?

[Seth]

We were young.

[Jeff]

We were young. Our parents were there. Our uncle probably like probably 8 to 12 to a boat. Something like that.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yeah. Okay.

[Seth]

And there was a really great picture of us going over the white waters where everybody's.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Who took the picture.

[Seth]

Someone from the side, someone who worked for the like, is like, we're gonna stand up there and that's gonna be the picture. We have you over there.

[Jeff]

But I feel like our Uncle Kurt was like stabbing like his oar through the air.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[Jason Schwartzman]

That's awesome.

[Seth]

That's awesome.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Did anyone fall out?

[Seth]

No, No.

[Jeff]

I feel like there was a place where you could jump out and just like float here for a little bit. Cause it's a hot day.

[Jason Schwartzman]

But my wife. Uncle who passed away when she was younger, but he was a guide on the Snake river. And that just sounds like the most beautiful. That's like a trip I would love to do is like go down. Really go down a river quite far. Would be really fun. I think it'd be nice, you know, but no, but I will say, can we just not put out this episode? Because it just makes. I'm just losing everything. I'm just a loser.

[Jeff]

I mean, you're probably going to come back a third time.

[Seth]

You might are your favorite guest at this point.

[Jason Schwartzman]

We were in Lake Tahoe. We were in Lake Tahoe last year. And we were. We went down this. It's called the Truckee river, which is not a white water river. It's quite. You float the river, as they say, you know.

[Jeff]

Yeah.

[Jason Schwartzman]

But there are slight part. Anyway, I did have a thing where we were on the boat and I've never had anything like this happen to me. I had. I didn't have my life vest on, and there was a lot of. There was a bunch of kids, adults, and we were heading towards a rock, and I went to sort of like push as we were. As we were approaching the rock. I was sort of trying to put out this. The. The. The ore to sort of deflect us off. And I just didn't realize, you know, how quickly we were heading towards the rock. And I hit. We hit the rock and I went flying off the back of the thing and I went like. I mean, really flying. And. And I didn't. It's not like a very fast river or anything, but where it was was a little crazy at that point. But so even that I was getting tumbled around and my. Apparently my son was. My wife had to grab my son. He was gonna jump in after me, which is so sweet. But they threw me alight. But I was getting tumbled around and there are. You know, there are so many rocks underneath. And I was. There was a moment where I was like, this is incredible. But also, I'm really like, I am having a hard time. I am. They were yelling, you're gonna be okay. And I was like, I know it's not deep, but I am really struggling to stay above the water is what I was thinking. It's like, I. This is. I get. This is hard.

[Seth]

Did you have a moment where you're like, oh, please don't drown in shallow water?

[Jason Schwartzman]

Well, I wasn't thinking about the shallow. I was just thinking, well, please don't let me drown in front of them.

[Seth]

Yeah, yeah, maybe.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Maybe let them get farther ahead. Right?

[Seth]

Yeah, I didn't think.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yeah, I didn't think. I did say go. I didn't think I was going to drown, but I did start to. It was colder than I expected. And I was like, I mean, it's so funny how quickly you are totally, literally, like a. Just panicking idiot. You know what I mean?

[Jeff]

Well, yeah. I mean, if you go rag doll in a river, it was insane.

[Jason Schwartzman]

I was like, hitting.

[Seth]

I was like, oh.

[Jason Schwartzman]

And I got back in the boat. They're like, are you okay? And I was like, yeah, it was fine. It was fine. Did it look fun? Did it look cool? Yeah, like, yeah, I mean, I was definitely I was scared as hell.

[Seth]

Were you beat?

[Jeff]

Were you bumped and bruised? Were you.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yes, very, very bruised. Yeah, very bruised. But, hey, that's what happens on the Truckee river. And that's. That's just, you know, that's the risk you always take.

[Jeff]

You know that going in.

[Jason Schwartzman]

You always know it going in and you know it going out. You just remember it during. And that's what happened.

[Seth]

I mean, the greatest. The greatest thing learned on that is that your brother, your son. Excuse me, was gonna jump in after you. Like, that's an incredible. What an incredible thing to know.

[Jason Schwartzman]

I know. But also heartbreaking because I feel like he shouldn't have to feel that. He should. That's going back to the comp. I mean, he should feel like, look at my dad. Like hell. Look at that. He's a hell of a swimmer. He's got this. Don't worry, I'll give him five minutes. He'll be back in this thing.

[Seth]

He used to go to a camp where they swam to a buoy and then. Yeah. Your daughter's like, that was Mom. He made a worm puppet and he's like, I gotta get in there.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yeah, I gotta go. Yeah. They were like, yeah. But it was. That was a scary moment. But I've always wanted to do the river rafting. I don't. Yeah. I don't have a lot of family photos of. Of anything really. My wife has a lot of them. It looks like such a great. You know, you see photos of people's lives on a wall and it really. You know, it's easy to think that they had this, like, perfect.

[Seth]

Yes.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Life, because you're just seeing the kind of edited highlights and stuff.

[Seth]

It's very interesting. Why do you think you guys weren't a photos on the wall kind of family? Do you think you were?

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yeah, I don't think they're. I don't know. We were a family, though. That took a lot of home videos, Right.

[Seth]

Well, that makes sense more than.

[Jason Schwartzman]

I mean, we had a lot of it and it is. You know, so there was that. There was a sentimental or there was a need to. To film and. And stuff like that. But, yeah, like, a lot of my friends don't have family. We have so many videos. And yet one thing I did that I was really happy about was I went to my mom's house and I found tons of them. And she always has this fear that I keep stealing stuff, which is true, because I just have this fear that it will get lost in the house. But I took every video I could find. And I sent it to an archivist. Not an archivist, but that's technically what it is. And I had all of it copied and digitized from every different medium. I started to do it myself, and it was too sad. I can't even watch. I can't watch a video from yesterday of my children. I will start crying.

[Seth]

I don't know why.

[Jeff]

Yeah. Our father always said that he didn't want home movies because they would make him too sad.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yeah.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[Jeff]

And we don't really have them.

[Jason Schwartzman]

You don't have any.

[Seth]

I just. For the first time. And I did it because Josh was getting married, But Josh. I had videos of my wedding, and Josh gave the greatest best man speech of all time. And because in preparation for doing, by the way, I shouldn't have watched it. Cause it was likely it was unachievable. But, like, watching it was not. Like, I was like, this is just making me so. It's my favorite thing, like, watching it again is. I just, like, couldn't process the emotions I was having. It was too much, really. Whereas, like, my wife's family will watch the amount. They're like, have you seen this video? I'm like, a hundred times. You've shown me a hundred times. You've seen the video where I got a bike for Christmas? I'm like, yeah, really? To the point that I think I got a bike for Christmas.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Wait, wait, wait. How are you. When are you watching those videos? When you go back?

[Seth]

No, it's just now that, like, they're all. You know, my wife Sammy did a great job of, like, digitizing everything. And, like, the amount they, like, email old videos.

[Jason Schwartzman]

They're sending them to you.

[Seth]

They're just sending them.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Oh, my goodness.

[Seth]

Or they're just like, sit down. Have you ever seen this one? I'm like, yeah, man. And by the way, they're great. I just. At some point, you're like, I feel like I'm watching a, like, a long documentary about unfamous people.

[Jeff]

Ken Burns does Lashes.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Well, it's funny. That is one thing, though, that I will say I think about with iPhones now and people filming a lot of videos on their iPhones, is they film such shorter things. The intention is just get the thing. Hopefully get the moment. Whereas a lot of those videos, they will go on for.

[Seth]

Oh, dude, four hours.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Like, it's just like. It's like. It'll be just like, put that down. Put that down. All right, pick it up.

[Seth]

There you go.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Come at me.

[Seth]

Now what?

[Narrator]

We're out back.

[Jason Schwartzman]

It's just like. It's just like. It's just all rolling the holes. So I think those are some of the best things in those videos, by the way, are those moments that are, you know, when they're just rolling and rolling and rolling. And unfortunately, I feel like with the. Yeah, now we have less of that kind of stuff.

[Seth]

But I guess you. We're gonna run out of time with you. So I do wanna say. Cause I'm very excited about your show, Kevin Aubrey Plaza.

[Jason Schwartzman]

This is the worst day of my life.

[Jeff]

We are. We have another guest. We have another guest if you wanna call. Elizabeth Banks.

[Seth]

Elizabeth.

[Jeff]

Tell her.

[Seth]

Have you ever worked with Elizabeth Banks?

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yes. Will you tell her I said hi?

[Jeff]

I will.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Gosh. I mean, I feel like we have so much to talk about because I feel like.

[Seth]

Well, I mean, at this point, we're gonna have you on again.

[Jason Schwartzman]

I got to work with, like, Barinholtz for the first time. Really?

[Seth]

When? Where?

[Jason Schwartzman]

Last year we did this movie called Artificial. And I just, like, spent. And I know he's. I've known. You know, we know him.

[Seth]

Simon Rich. That's a Simon Rich penned.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Yes.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[Jason Schwartzman]

But what a. This guy.

[Jeff]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jason Schwartzman]

In real life, when you spend that long working with him, I can't. I can't believe it. I can't believe it. I don't believe it.

[Seth]

He is the definition of mensch, right? Like, with. Absolutely. When people are like, what does that word mean? You're like. Mensch means like Barinholtz at his.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Could not. This man. The kindness, the sweetness and the endless. He seems to be having so much fun.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[Jason Schwartzman]

And he. And he makes you. He's laughing, he's enjoying, he's eating. He's. It's so. It's thrilling to be around him. Like, we were. What. We were working in Italy, and I would walk with him and I just felt like I honestly was, like, drafting behind, like, a race car.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[Jason Schwartzman]

I was like, you know, I was just watching him. Like, this is incredible. This is. This is life.

[Seth]

And he. He has. I think you've got to try this. It's the best thing you've ever had. This is the best. And he's just. And it's. We always say, like, you know, he's.

[Jason Schwartzman]

He.

[Seth]

He exists in hyperbole, but without being inauthentic. Like, he truly, when he says, this is the best ice cream you've ever had, if 10 minutes later, he's like, this is the best. It's not a contradiction. Like, he's like, in this moment, there cannot be better ice cream than this ice cream.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Absolutely. And he's inclusive of every.

[Seth]

He.

[Jason Schwartzman]

He's like, hey, we're going out to dinner. I've invited every single person we met today, and we're all going to this place. You know, I just. I love him, and God bless him. I just. I wanted to just say that as I. He changed my life. He made me really see life through a different lens working with him. But, yeah, my show. Oh, the show.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Kevin, that's a fun. It's a. I love it. Well, I love it, but. Yeah, it's on Amazon. It's on April 20th. But I did it with Aubrey Plaza and Joe Weingart, and we've been working this for a long time. I mean, this was the first thing. This might have been, like, early on in Pandemic, they reached out. We started recording it, like, in there, I believe. But it's so fun. I love it. I mean, they are. Aubrey is, you know, of course, very singular. And Joe, I don't know if. Do you know Joe at all?

[Seth]

I don't know Joe. No.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Oh, my gosh. So freaking funny. And Philip Deep Philadelphia. Every time you go into the recording session, it's like, well, what new Mitchell and Ness Philly gear will I see this time? It's like, just like, really cool stuff. But, you know, I play it. Yeah, it's fun because I. I play a cat. These two guys get a divorce, and I'm a cat that goes out of my own for the first time. And I love it.

[Seth]

We love talking to you. We are going to book you again.

[Jason Schwartzman]

What's Elizabeth Banks going to talk about?

[Jeff]

Yeah, what's she got coming up? She's got miniature wife with Matthew McFadden and her on peacock.

[Jason Schwartzman]

She did that. She ended up doing that. Oh, Matthew ended up doing that. McFadden did that. I was wondering who actually took it.

[Seth]

Who was there actually today.

[Jeff]

Today, as we're talking to you, the 40th anniversary of RAD is today.

[Jason Schwartzman]

I cannot believe you just brought that up. Fuck.

[Seth]

Yeah.

[Jeff]

And it's in theaters. And I found.

[Jason Schwartzman]

My brother just sent me a whole. Yeah, my brother runs that whole. You know, he puts it out and everything. And my God bless my brother.

[Jeff]

It's. Yeah. I thought there was a chance I was gonna see you tonight at Universal, but maybe he'll be there. It's in the back of my mind,

[Jason Schwartzman]

you know, I saw these Rad40T shirts, and I was like, I should get one of those. Yeah, my brother Is like a whole different. I don't know who he is. He's the fuck. He's incredible. He's.

[Jeff]

Yeah, if it's Matthew and Robert, one of those. Then those two guys were hanging out and you had a lock on your door.

[Jason Schwartzman]

So.

[Seth]

Yeah, you.

[Jason Schwartzman]

You really did review the show right before. Right before we came on. I would never.

[Seth]

Meanwhile, you showed up being like. I went to theater camp. I know we didn't get to it last time.

[Jason Schwartzman]

We didn't talk about it, but theater camp, do you know? No, I just had more details about stuff.

[Seth]

But, guys, next time, bring the worm. You gotta bring the worm.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Oh, I know what I'm gonna tell you guys. I'll tell you next time.

[Seth]

All right.

[Jeff]

Should we skip? Should we skip this?

[Seth]

Yeah, we're gonna. We're gonna skip the speed round.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Can I just say, your show. Thank you for what you do. Your show is the one. It just brings me so much pleasure at the end of a day. I count on it so deeply.

[Seth]

Oh, thank you. We hope we see you in person. You're the best.

[Jason Schwartzman]

You're the best. Love to everyone.

[Seth]

All right. Love to you, buddy. And love to you.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Rock and roll. Rock and roll.

[Seth]

Bye now.

[Jeff]

He was not so cool in school. I mean, he went to camp for puppetry.

[Narrator]

Was not the guy to swim back first from the buoy. And his rockets didn't fly so high at his camp for rocketry. Oh, gee.

[Jeff]

Very supportive.

[Narrator]

What do you find fun? No competition. What is relaxing? A water tunnel. Underground.

[Seth]

Shovels and pipes.

[Narrator]

Buckets and more at the hardware store. What are you trying to build? Don't ask. Hey, kid, you wanna get in on this? Do you think that it's gonna work? I don't think it's gonna work. There were two pools there to connect. And maybe someone should have checked. One was up and one down. But there was no flow through the tunnel underground. He's no Archimedes. No. Fine. It didn't work. Don't be a jerk. He still had fun.

[Seth]

Oh, weird missions.

[Narrator]

What he craved was found.

[Jason Schwartzman]

Water was splashed around.

[Narrator]

He'll faded Pipeline underground land wasn't sound. But nobody drowned there. Water tunnel built underground. A river. Floating truckee. Pushed off of a rock with his oar. Promptly got launched into the water.

[Seth]

Should be no trouble.

[Narrator]

Cause it was indeed. But as it turned out, he got rock bounced around, hit rocks, fish flop non stop. Yeah. Overboard. Overboard. Guess he's not savvy with an oar. Let's not ignore that his son thought to save him. When Jason was propelled over four. Daddy

[Jason Schwartzman]

when he was away, his family

[Narrator]

he wasn't even around Decided to go on the country. He was working out of town. Sa.