PATRICK J. ADAMS Brushed Death in the Grand Canyon

Summary

Family Trips with the Meyers Brothers: Patrick J. Adams Brushed Death in the Grand Canyon

Episode Release Date: January 7, 2025

In this captivating episode of Family Trips with the Meyers Brothers, hosts Seth Meyers and Josh Meyers engage in a heartfelt and adventurous conversation with guest Patrick J. Adams. The episode delves deep into Patrick's tumultuous experiences, from delivering a baby under extreme circumstances to his passionate embrace of the camper van lifestyle. Below is a comprehensive summary capturing all key discussions, insights, and memorable moments from the episode.

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1. Welcoming Patrick J. Adams

The episode kicks off with a light-hearted exchange as Seth and Josh welcome Patrick, affectionately nicknamed "Pashi," who appears dapper in a suit—a departure from his usual attire.

• Seth Meyers [00:13]: “You're looking dapper. Also, Happy New Year.”
• Patrick J. Adams [00:23]: Laughs “Best foot forward.”

Patrick explains his choice to wear a suit for the podcast, highlighting his guest's penchant for formal attire. The hosts humorously debate the comfort and practicality of suits, setting a warm and relaxed tone for the conversation.

2. A Surprise Appearance by Yorm Taccone

Midway through the introduction, Yorm Taccone makes an unexpected cameo, adding an element of surprise and camaraderie to the episode.

• Yorm Taccone [02:42]: “Always a joy to jump in.”

His lighthearted interruptions bring additional humor, though Seth and Josh gently steer the conversation back to their primary guest.

3. Delivering a Baby in the Grand Canyon

The core of the episode revolves around Patrick's harrowing experience of delivering his second child in the Grand Canyon. This intense narrative showcases Patrick's resilience and the surreal circumstances that led to this life-threatening situation.

• Patrick J. Adams [09:19]: “I delivered my second in the front seat of the car... she went into labor at 4 in the morning.”
• Seth Meyers [11:00]: “How was it for you?”
• Patrick J. Adams [11:08]: “What a night nightmare. It was the scariest moment of my life.”

Patrick recounts the ordeal of navigating a sudden labor situation in a remote parking lot, emphasizing the chaos and his desperate attempts to secure help. The emotional weight of the story is palpable as Patrick reflects on the split-second decisions he had to make under extreme stress.

4. Embracing the Camper Van Lifestyle

Transitioning from his near-death experience, Patrick shares his journey into the camper van lifestyle, highlighting both the joys and challenges it presents.

• Patrick J. Adams [13:57]: “We have a camper van that we just drive across the country every summer.”
• Seth Meyers [17:35]: “How do you feel behind the wheel? Do you have confidence?”
• Patrick J. Adams [17:47]: “It's a Mercedes. It's fun to drive... but it can be terrifying when broadsided by wind.”

Patrick describes the operational aspects of his camper van, including its self-sufficiency and the freedom it provides to explore national parks. However, he also candidly discusses the fears associated with driving in challenging terrains, illustrating the duality of adventure and risk inherent in this lifestyle.

5. Family Vacation Memories

Delving into his past, Patrick reminisces about his family's unique vacation traditions, shaped significantly by his parents' professions and later, his mother's influence after his father's passing.

• Patrick J. Adams [29:00]: “Cottaging is a big deal in Toronto... We spent summers on a tiny island in Georgian Bay.”

He fondly recalls the magical summers spent on the island, contrasting them with the demanding and often absent father figure. The transition to managing the family property after his stepfather's passing marks a poignant shift in his family dynamics.

6. Childhood Adventures and Challenges in London

Patrick opens up about his challenging childhood move to London, detailing the cultural shocks and bullying he faced as an 8-year-old.

• Patrick J. Adams [53:07]: “British kids are ruthless... They thought everything was funny.”

Despite the hardships, Patrick eventually found his footing, forming meaningful friendships and discovering his passion for acting. These formative experiences significantly shaped his resilience and adaptability.

7. Reflections on the TV Show Suits

Patrick provides insightful reflections on his time starring in the hit TV show Suits, highlighting the intense work environment and his personal challenges with fame and self-image.

• Patrick J. Adams [58:10]: “I can't watch a thing... It gets me in my head. I have some body dysmorphia.”

He discusses the resurgence of Suits during the pandemic era, emphasizing how the show served as a source of comfort and connection during a tumultuous time. Patrick candidly shares his struggles with watching the show post-production, revealing a deeper layer of his personal battles with mental health.

8. Final Reflections and Closing Questions

As the episode winds down, Patrick answers a series of personal questions, providing listeners with a glimpse into his ideal vacations, transportation preferences, and family dynamics.

• Patrick J. Adams [65:10]: “Camper van. Gotta go.”
• Patrick J. Adams [67:12]: “If I could be stranded with one family member, it would be my older sister who lives off the grid.”

These responses underscore Patrick's enduring love for adventure and his deep familial bonds, rounding off the episode with heartfelt and relatable insights.

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Notable Quotes

• Patrick J. Adams [09:19]: “Delivering my second in the front seat of the car... she went into labor at 4 in the morning.”
• Patrick J. Adams [17:35]: “It's a Mercedes. It's fun to drive... but it can be terrifying when broadsided by wind.”
• Patrick J. Adams [53:07]: “British kids are ruthless... They thought everything was funny.”
• Patrick J. Adams [58:10]: “I can't watch a thing... It gets me in my head. I have some body dysmorphia.”
• Patrick J. Adams [65:10]: “Camper van. Gotta go.”

Insights and Conclusions

This episode offers a profound exploration of Patrick J. Adams' life, highlighting his ability to navigate and overcome significant personal challenges. From the perilous birth of his child in the Grand Canyon to his embrace of the nomadic camper van lifestyle, Patrick exemplifies resilience and a zest for adventure. His reflections on family dynamics, childhood hardships, and the pressures of fame provide listeners with a multifaceted understanding of his character. The heartfelt and candid nature of the conversation underscores the podcast's commitment to unveiling the authentic stories behind family trips and personal journeys.

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For those who missed the episode, Family Trips with the Meyers Brothers delivers a rich tapestry of personal stories, ensuring an engaging and insightful listening experience every Tuesday.

Transcript

[Sufi]

This episode of Family Trips is brought to you by Nissan Adventure calls in the first ever Nissan Rogue Rock Creek. Learn [e-mail] Here we go. Hi, Pashi.

[Pashi]

Hi, Sufi.

[Sufi]

You're looking dapper. Also, Happy New Year.

[Pashi]

Thank you. Happy New Year to you. I thought we were doing. I thought, like, it was new Year, new you.

[Patrick Adams]

Oh.

[Pashi]

Best foot forward.

[Sufi]

So this is you. This is your project. 2025 is to dress nicer.

[Pashi]

I thought. No, I thought we were. I thought I was.

[Sufi]

Oh, you thought. And you thought. You told me that.

[Pashi]

Yeah.

[Sufi]

Hmm.

[Pashi]

Maybe it was just subtle.

[Sufi]

With that said, I feel like I look nicer than normal. I'm wearing a collared shirt, at least.

[Pashi]

Yeah. I'd say you're moving. Moving on.

[Sufi]

So it's 8am in LA.

[Pashi]

Yeah.

[Sufi]

So you woke up and you put on a suit for a podcast for.

[Pashi]

Yeah, for a. Yeah, but I mean, it's not just any podcast. It's.

[Sufi]

Oh.

[Pashi]

Oh, okay.

[Sufi]

And, you know, and as a reminder, there is a video element over on YouTube so people could go check out Pasha's nice suit.

[Pashi]

Yeah. But if this is. Yeah. If it's too much, then I guess it's too much. But I mean, our guest today, I felt like, also called for it.

[Sufi]

Oh, that's right. He's in suits. Patrick Adams is in suits. So you wore a suit for a podcast. One, cause it's a new you. And two, because suits.

[Pashi]

Yeah. Maybe I won't wear it for the full interview. Now I'm starting to rethink it.

[Sufi]

Yeah.

[Pashi]

Yeah.

[Sufi]

I think suit.

[Pashi]

A lot of people, you know, who don't wear suits often will, like, put on a suit and be like, ah, I can't even, like, move in this thing. And suits can be very comfortable.

[Sufi]

I know, but I will say now that I don't wear a suit on the show. When I put a suit on, I do feel very. I can't move in this thing.

[Pashi]

I mean, classically, historically, dad always would wear a suit to work, and he would come home, and the first thing that would happen was we'd go upstairs while he would change into something more comfortable.

[Sufi]

Yeah.

[Pashi]

Not that that shouldn't sound creepy.

[Sufi]

Yeah, it did with the way you said it did, but it was. Yeah, he. I mean, yeah, he was. He was definitely happy to get out of his suit. Yeah.

[Pashi]

And we would, like, jump around on the bed while he went into the closet and put on some jeans.

[Sufi]

You know what Axel wore to school his last day of school? Not a suit. But he wore a full Santa costume. Oh, look Jorma Taccone's here. Who's not? This isn't his podcast, but he's here.

[Pashi]

Hey, Yorm, I'm here.

[Yorm Taccone]

What are we talking about, guys?

[Sufi]

Santa, I love. So Yorm and I do a different podcast called the Lonely island and Seth Meyers podcast and we do. We have to record. Yoram and I have to record something else after Josh and I record something. And this is very on brand for Yoram to be showing up at the wrong time.

[Yorm Taccone]

Very on brand. But everybody likes seeing me, seeing and hearing me. So, you know, I feel like it's good to jump in.

[Sufi]

Do you think Yorm could do what we're doing, Josh, and pretend like it's actually January?

[Pashi]

I don't know. Let's see.

[Sufi]

Happy New Year. You're Happy New Year.

[Pashi]

Yeah.

[Patrick Adams]

Good to see you guys.

[Yorm Taccone]

Yeah.

[Patrick Adams]

What do you got?

[Yorm Taccone]

What are your resolutions?

[Sufi]

Josh is going to start wearing a suit and wearing suit.

[Yorm Taccone]

I'm going to hit the gym more because of my biore. My love for biore.

[Patrick Adams]

Oh, yeah.

[Pashi]

That stuff soft.

[Sufi]

That stuff soft. You can pick out different stuff. Your. Hypothetically, if it was, let's say, December 20th, what would. What are your plans for the holidays?

[Yorm Taccone]

Heading out to the bay on Sunday. My mother, we're staying at my mom's house. She's going to Mexico City, so not saying her, but the Hellers are in the bay.

[Sufi]

So are you really going to stay at your mom's house and she's not going to be there?

[Yorm Taccone]

Not going to be there. My brother is in Mexico City. He's dating a woman who lives there. And so, yeah, I've never been. I would love to go to Mexico City.

[Pashi]

Yeah.

[Yorm Taccone]

Yeah. I think it's. I think it's real cool, you guys. I think there's a lot of artists and cool stuff happening there.

[Pashi]

Yeah. High, high elevation. You think like, oh, Mexico, it's going to be like right on the water.

[Yorm Taccone]

But no, I flew in there once and I felt like I was flying into the city for like 20 minutes. There's so many. Building is so big and it felt like it was just like, oh, my God, this is a never ending city.

[Sufi]

But that elevation thing is what gets me every year in my holiday travel to New Mexico, which is everybody I tell I'm going to New Mexico says, oh, well, at least it'd be nice and warm. And I'm like, no.

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah.

[Yorm Taccone]

It's like, oh, it's. It's.

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah, it's cold.

[Pashi]

Right.

[Sufi]

It's on top of a mountain. It's super yeah, it's.

[Yorm Taccone]

Do you get nauseous? Like, do you get.

[Pashi]

Do you have to like, re.

[Yorm Taccone]

Acclimate?

[Patrick Adams]

I get.

[Sufi]

When he hits the bottle.

[Pashi]

When he hits the bottle.

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah, yeah.

[Yorm Taccone]

Well, you gotta get through the holidays, right, guys?

[Sufi]

Every time I go to Albuquerque, the only thing that makes me nauseous is the unfair reviews that MacGruber got.

[Yorm Taccone]

By the way, Mari. Mari recently was like. She's like, you know, her movie is a little bit more controversial. She's gotten like, lower reviews.

[Sufi]

This is Night Yarma's wife, Mari Heller just directed a movie with Amy Adams called Night, which I have not seen yet, but I encourage everybody to see. It's great.

[Yorm Taccone]

I. I think it's fantastic. But like, but like, but she is a little, you know, she's just like, not used to, like, getting more controversial reviews. And I'm like. And I immediately was sending her McGregor, rotten tomatoes. I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah.

[Pashi]

Yeah. We can speak from experience. We're huge MacGruber fans.

[Sufi]

Yeah, yeah.

[Pashi]

I so take those reviews and show.

[Yorm Taccone]

That 35% of positive.

[Sufi]

The other thing about MacGruber, if you're looking for a holiday movie that's under the 90 minute mark, that's what you got going for you. MacGruber. What a lean to mean. 87 minutes.

[Yorm Taccone]

Lean, lean, mean. 87 minutes. Like, I don't, don't see the uncut version because like, both me and Akiva, I think are guys who like, the director's cut is shorter than the original. But yeah, I do not like that there's an extra like three minutes in the uncut version.

[Sufi]

Well, I feel like. I don't know what else to say. It's just super weird that Yorm's here. But I kind of love it, you know, it feels like I'm still on.

[Yorm Taccone]

Finished time, guys, you know?

[Pashi]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Yorm Taccone]

Been a week.

[Pashi]

Yeah, we just had Oliphant on and he was talking about that Finnish licorice.

[Yorm Taccone]

He's a fucking joy. I gotta send you this video. We did a thank you video to Finland and I was like, hey, let's go shoot this music video. And he was like, yeah. I was like, what are you doing on Saturday? He was like, you know, I'm stuck here, man. Like, what else am I doing? Something. So we, we filmed a little music video. It's 20 seconds. I'll send it to you guys. It's just him popping in a frame saying quitos, which means thank you.

[Sufi]

A 20 second music video saying thank you really will mean the world to the people of Finland.

[Yorm Taccone]

That's like, a real waste of time.

[Sufi]

Well, we're gonna just. To try to, you know, for the people who are listening to this, for Josh and I and not Yorm, we're gonna get to our conversation with Patrick Adams. It's absolutely lovely. And. And as a reminder, go to the YouTube channel. You can watch this and you can see how genuinely surprised we were when Yorm showed up.

[Yorm Taccone]

Also, guys, I'm a lot of fun.

[Sufi]

But delighted we're taking family trips, stories or questions on a rolling basis. This is just whenever you want. Go to speakpipe.com familytripspod we do love to hear your stories, and we love to get your questions. And Happy New Year to everybody who's listening. Andy. Andy. Yorm. Happy New Year.

[Yorm Taccone]

Happy New Year to you guys. Oh, you know, it's going to be a good one, guys. I think everything's looking up.

[Sufi]

Happy New Year to you too, Jeff Tweedy. Sing us a song.

[Patrick Adams]

Family trips with the M Brothers. Family chips with the mindless brothers. Here we go.

[Sufi]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Yorm Taccone]

Oh, hi.

[Sufi]

Hello, Patrick.

[Patrick Adams]

Oh, my God. Thanks for having me.

[Sufi]

It's really nice to meet time. We've never met.

[Patrick Adams]

We've never met, actually, that's what true.

[Sufi]

I want to say where Beck and.

[Patrick Adams]

Kyle are dear friends of mine from snl, and I came to see them a number of times because they stuck me in the back door, basically. And I think I met you once and said some weird stuff about how great you are and then got really awkward and just bailed. So I think it was a good first meeting.

[Sufi]

Well, as a credit to you, I'm glad I didn't remember that.

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah, let's do it. We'll rewind. We'll do better this time.

[Sufi]

I want to jump in. And I know this isn't technically a family trip, but I guess it is, because it was about a new family member and you were in a car, so your second was like. Our second came fast.

[Patrick Adams]

Oh, yeah. I'm glad we start. I've always wanted to talk to you about this. Yes. I delivered my second in the front seat of the car. You were in the lobby.

[Sufi]

We were in the lobby. So we hadn't even made it to the Uber. But you're in la, so you're in your car, correct?

[Patrick Adams]

Yes, we were in our car. I had been shooting in Toronto. We. I got this job and it was during COVID and so no one was working. And I got this film in Toronto. We asked the doctor, can we do it? He said, you could probably get Away with it. So anyway, I went up. She was very pregnant the night I got home. I got home at midnight from Toronto, and she went into labor at 4 in the morning.

[Pashi]

Wow.

[Patrick Adams]

But our first labor was like, 26 hours, so we kind of were very lazy. We were like, we'll take the morning. There's no rush.

[Pashi]

Oh, and.

[Patrick Adams]

And, you know, we spent about three or four hours at the house, and then we were like, it's probably time to go. And then we got to the parking lot of Cedars Sinai, and that's how far we got. Yeah.

[Pashi]

Do they still charge you? Do they still. Is there still a bill?

[Patrick Adams]

I love it. I love that you asked that question.

[Pashi]

Delivering in vercula.

[Patrick Adams]

They did. I'm sure they're like, cedars Sinai will come after me for this. But, yes, my lawyer, who I don't remember why I had spoken to at the time, it's not normal to call your lawyer right after you have a baby. But I, for some reason talked to him, and he said, before you leave that hospital, go check the billing. And they had, in fact, charged me for delivery, which charged insurance for delivery.

[Sufi]

But, yeah, we had called 911, and then we were told we had to get in the ambulance and go to the hospital. My wife was buried.

[Patrick Adams]

You had.

[Sufi]

The baby was born. The baby was fine. Umbilical was cut. And Alexi was very much like, I think I'm ready to just go back up to the apartment. And they'd be like, the umbilical was cut.

[Patrick Adams]

Like, you just cut the umbilical cord.

[Sufi]

A fireman did. How about that? Oh, yeah.

[Patrick Adams]

But at what point in the process did the fireman get there?

[Sufi]

The baby had been born, so the baby was sort of on my wife's chest.

[Patrick Adams]

How was it for you?

[Sufi]

What was this? It was great. You know what? I recommend it. I just thought it was cool. I thought it was exciting. No, it was. Thank God it was. And I'm sure you feel this way as well. Thank God it was our second, you know, that you'd actually seen it happen through it.

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah.

[Sufi]

Because when you. I think every. Certainly for a man watching it, every birth looks like something's going wrong. And yet you kind of realize, nope, that's just how it looks. And, you know, again, I was scared, but my wife is very on it, and I think she, you know, she wasn't showing up.

[Patrick Adams]

Their instincts are pretty sharp at that point.

[Sufi]

And I was kind of like, this is historically, through the history of man, ultimately, like, their instincts have been the one that have Kept us alive as a species.

[Patrick Adams]

Just do what they say. It's a good way to go.

[Sufi]

She had.

[Patrick Adams]

It was funny because on the way to the hospital, like, you know, in the first kid, you have, like, months of planning and you have your laminated game plan that you're going to tell the doctors and your candles are in the bag. And the second kid, we had absolutely nothing. And we were on the way and we're like, what's the plan? What are we doing? And she said, all I care about is that you catch the baby. I want you to catch the baby. And I'm like, sure, okay, yeah, we'll get the baby. And then lo and behold, you know, 16 minutes later, I'm holding a baby.

[Pashi]

In a parking lot. Well, job well done.

[Patrick Adams]

She got her way. She got her way.

[Sufi]

I do want to. So you have two now you stopped at two or you.

[Patrick Adams]

That was our second.

[Sufi]

Yeah, all right.

[Patrick Adams]

Stopped is. Yeah, all right.

[Sufi]

You don't know your Covid baby.

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah. Yes. It was very much a Covid baby.

[Sufi]

I want to get to your youth. We want to get to your youth. But you. Is it true that you are currently a camper family that.

[Patrick Adams]

Actually, yes, we have a camper van that I just. We drive it across the country. We have a place up near Toronto now that belonged to my mother and stepfather, and we bought it from them two summers ago. So we have this camper van that we kind of fell into during COVID We did that thing where everybody wanted to take a camper van trip, and we did a few, and we fell in love with it, and we thought maybe we're campervan people. And there was a company nearby here that was taking advantage of people who thought they were camper van people. And they were like, for a very small fee of hundreds of thousands of dollars, you can make your own. And we'll rent it out and you'll get a percentage of that rental, and it'll pay itself off after a few years. And we were like, great idea. You use it two weeks of the year. The rest of the time it's being used by someone else. So we did it. We paid an enormous amount of money to make this thing. And then six months later, their company folded and they were like, here's your van. And now we are full time van owners. So we were thrust into, okay, we need to be a camper van family. So we drive across the country every summer.

[Sufi]

Okay. So it's once a summer and I guess there and back. How long does it take from. And I'm assuming it's. Is it north of Toronto?

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah, it's like that cottage country up there. The area is called Georgian Bay. There's like two, there's like a Muskoka and a Georgian Bay. And we're up in Georgian Bay.

[Sufi]

I've been to the Georgian Bay.

[Pashi]

Beautiful.

[Patrick Adams]

It's beautiful. Yeah.

[Sufi]

So what's the drive la to Georgian Bay?

[Patrick Adams]

Oh God. We, because we have two little kids, we try and like, we try not to be in too much of a rush. So I think this year we did it in eight or nine days.

[Sufi]

Great.

[Patrick Adams]

Stopped at a Great Wolf Lodge in Kansas City. Like you have to just to really drive it home and yeah, we take about eight or nine days. We hit as many national parks along the way and stuff like that. But it's, it's great. It's actually a really. At the end of a crazy year, the kids are out of school. It's like a nice way to transition into like vacation time up there. It's also a nice way to drive us insane. We have like, it's a very high and low eight days.

[Sufi]

Do you have kids that are old enough to be excited about this kind of trip? Is there anticipation?

[Patrick Adams]

They are very into it, yes. They're at that great age where they're kind of excited about everything. But then as soon as it starts there's also the things they hate about it. So it is a lot of time in the car, but because it's a van, we can get them. This is probably not legal, but we let them. Once we're in a good straightaway and we feel safe, they can go and lay in the bed in the back to read the book or look at the iPad. It's all about the iPad now. So for us it's just the challenge of getting them to like look at the national park.

[Pashi]

And do you, do you get like a spot that you can pull up in in a national park where you're like crashing in the park?

[Patrick Adams]

We actually don't do a lot of camping in national parks because it's pretty hard to get good sites in national parks because that's what everybody wants to do. The good thing about the van is it's so self suffic efficient that you can be anywhere. So it has power and it has solar on the top. And so you actually go and find what are called dispersed parking spots which are not official campsites but they're legal. So you can go like find a logging road and sleep in the middle of the wilderness. And like a national Forest where nobody's gonna really bother you. But it's not quite as, like, built up as a national park campsite would be.

[Pashi]

Are there ever scary moments? I know I once camped with just my dog on, like, BLM land, and there was, like, one car that was driving out this very sketchy dirt road towards me, and I just sort of stood with a shovel next to my car, ready to, like, fight or flee.

[Patrick Adams]

I didn't know.

[Pashi]

And then they drove by, and I was like, oh, my God.

[Patrick Adams]

This is the. Yeah, this is the murderer moment.

[Sufi]

What is BLM land push.

[Patrick Adams]

Bureau of Land Management.

[Sufi]

Yeah. And I've seen Josh with a shovel. It is.

[Patrick Adams]

You do not want to. With Josh, it was like.

[Pashi]

It's like a camping shovel that, like, screws together. It's about this.

[Patrick Adams]

I know. I have one of those in the back. Yes. Terrifying. Yeah. I was most scared. I'm scared when I'm not scared. I'm. I'm more alert when I'm alone. This pet. When we did the trip back, I just ended up getting a job that started shooting in Montana, where I literally just got back from yesterday. So I drove the van from Toronto to Montana by myself. Well, with our dog. And I did a night of camping that was pretty sketchy and had me a little worried because mostly just bears at that point. It was also in, like, northern Michigan, which there was just a lot of terrifying signage. It just did not feel like the place where you're like, if someone comes across me in the middle of the night, this might not be a great situation. But then you realize I'm in the middle.

[Sufi]

Things like, no one's your friend here.

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah. Yes. Basically, death. Death to all who enter.

[Sufi]

How does it. How do you hand? How does your van handle? How do you feel behind the wheel? Do you have a confidence?

[Patrick Adams]

It's a Mercedes. It's a Mercedes engine, so it's great. It's actually so fun to drive. The thing is, you get used to it, though. So you're up above everything, you know, you're, like, above the traffic. And then when I get home and get in my normal car, I feel like I'm sitting on the ground.

[Pashi]

Did you ever get broadsided by the wind, though? Isn't that jarring?

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah, that's a thing. Yeah.

[Pashi]

Yeah, for sure.

[Patrick Adams]

That's the thing. And it's terrifying. That's a sphincter. That's a sphincter tightener, for sure, because it happens out of nowhere.

[Sufi]

Do you share driving duties with your wife? Do you guys go back and forth a little.

[Patrick Adams]

Not as much as I should.

[Sufi]

Yeah, she.

[Patrick Adams]

But she actually just. We were just in Montana together and we were supposed to drive the van. It's all about where how do we get the van from A to B. So we were there and I was going to have some time off, so we were going to drive it together with the girls from Montana to LA to get it home. Schedule changed, I had to shoot. And so it was the first time where she was like, I'm going to do it solo with the girls. We flew her brother up so that she had like a partner in crime. But it was the first time she had done the van without me in it. And she was nervous and it was a total success. She loved it. So I think she just.

[Pashi]

Did she love not having you there?

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah, I think it was much better for her. You could hear it in her voice, you know, like, you know what I called her? And she had like this sort of trucker, like, like this confidence.

[Sufi]

She changed.

[Patrick Adams]

Day two, I was like, how's it going? She's like, oh, we're doing great out here on the road. It's fine. I'm like, oh, okay.

[Pashi]

Calling you good buddy.

[Sufi]

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[Pashi]

Well, anytime it rains in la, which isn't very often, I throw my gear on and I get out in it and my dog Woody loves to get out there with me. And we'll start on a trail on sort of a big fire road trail, but then we find those smaller trails where you need to crawl and get your hands dirty. And the wetter you get, the better you get. And yeah, that's what we like.

[Sufi]

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[Pashi]

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[Sufi]

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[Pashi]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Sufi]

I just watched one, a YouTube video of that, but my tummy, like made my tummy feel weird.

[Pashi]

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[Sufi]

Rogue Rock Creek, she sends me, Right?

[Pashi]

Yeah, we don't have the right.

[Sufi]

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[Pashi]

Yes, UVI?

[Sufi]

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[Pashi]

I mean, that sounds about right.

[Sufi]

Wrong. It's like $300.

[Patrick Adams]

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[Sufi]

It's a huge difference.

[Pashi]

Yeah.

[Sufi]

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[Pashi]

Yeah.

[Sufi]

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[Pashi]

Oh, yeah, you shouldn't be in charge of it.

[Sufi]

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[Pashi]

Few years paying like 1299amonth for.

[Sufi]

Yeah, yeah, that's. I'll tell you that. That's no fantasy.

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[Sufi]

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[Sufi]

Here we go now. I feel like Montana. Oftentimes, people who have been on this pod and talked about it, that is a wonderful destination for a trip. I feel like you hit the jackpot that you booked a job there.

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah. I mean, it's insane. I'd never been to Montana before, so it's so beautiful. It was so cool to have the van there because I could actually camp out for work. We're. We're shooting on this huge ranch out there, and so. And it's sort of far from where we're all living in Bozeman. So I was just camping out on this, like, property in the middle of nowhere, you know, having a campfire every night and then show up to work the next day. It's just the total opposite of what I've been used to, you know, being on suits for so long, like, shooting in the same office wearing uncomfortable suits. So when I came off that show, it was like, please, God, just let me shoot something outside. And so I got my wish, I guess.

[Sufi]

Yeah, it's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking that one of the tidbits we've always learned is that. Already learned, I should say, is that the suits were uncomfortable. In suits. Just what a. It feels like.

[Patrick Adams]

How do you feel? How do you feel in a suit? I guess you don't wear a suit most of the time.

[Sufi]

I stopped wearing a suit, and I feel great. I literally feel so much better. Just like, for me, it's like the neck. Every. Like, just.

[Patrick Adams]

Just this. Just everything. And then the. You know, on tv, it's all the detail they need to know how to coll. Interacts with this. And so it's like, one of the hardest things of being on set ever is how much touching has to happen. There's always so much touching, and when you have a suit, there's just more to touch. There's more details. So there's just always hands adjusting things.

[Sufi]

When I was in college, John Malkovich came and spoke at our college, and somebody, like, we had real theater kids, and they were asking him about, like, movies and how the acting's different. And he was like, in a movie, like, right before you have to do a scene where you've heard that your mother has died, someone from the makeup department comes over Licks their thumb and rubs something off your cheek.

[Patrick Adams]

Exactly.

[Sufi]

And then they're like, hold on, hold, hold. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Patrick Adams]

But it is.

[Sufi]

It's a lot. It's a lot of fussing.

[Patrick Adams]

So I want to know something quick because I am. I've become a fan of the show. I want to know how the wedding was. I feel it's super invested.

[Pashi]

It was fantastic. Yeah, it was exceptional. It was long weekend. Everything I had imagined. There were things that just worked out so well. Like Friday night, we didn't wanna plan another event or something. So we were like just book a reservation at the restaurant of the hotel with some friends.

[Patrick Adams]

And where were you guys? Where was it again?

[Pashi]

We were in the Catskills. We were at the Glen Falls house beautif. Which we had rented out the whole place. So we had the whole place. And so my now wife and I and her mother and the maid of honor and her boyfriend, we had dinner at 5 o'clock and then people just kept coming in and it's like a very small cozy restaurant. And then eventually it was just like we had almost every table in the place and you could musical chairs your way around and sort of, you know, welcome people like that. There were, I will say, maybe three tables that weren't associated with the wedding. And Seth, I think talked to all three of them because he was being. He didn't know that I thought they were guests.

[Sufi]

Yeah, I did think they were guests.

[Patrick Adams]

And they let you believe that they wanted to keep you around.

[Sufi]

I was talking to a guy who was there with like a three year old and we talked for like 15 minutes and I'm like, well, I'm very excited for my daughter to meet yours tomorrow. He's like, oh, I'm not gonna be here tomorrow.

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah, I have no idea what you're here.

[Sufi]

Very good, very good, very good.

[Patrick Adams]

How many people were at the wedding? How many were there?

[Pashi]

It was 140 good numbers. And yeah. And I was adamant about not knowing anything about the dress. And the dress was a banger. It was great.

[Sufi]

Yeah.

[Pashi]

She.

[Patrick Adams]

Wait, what ended up being the song. The last I've heard on the pod. We were trying to figure out what your song was gonna be.

[Pashi]

It's not.

[Patrick Adams]

Are we allowed to know? Yeah, yeah.

[Pashi]

It's a Frankie Valli song. You're a song that I can't sing. Was a song. But although it was really like we had 16 songs that we had given the DJ and he was like, you gotta pick a song. We can't play 16 songs. And we were like looking at the tent on the day of the wedding and like, just walked through and we were like, we need to tell him something. So we were like, this one, this one. And it's one of the ones that MacKenzie was leaning towards anyhow. But we don't have a song. It's not. We love that song, but it's not like hours.

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah, I remember you saying, yeah, it was great. Well, I'm so happy for you.

[Pashi]

Thank you.

[Patrick Adams]

Great. Yeah. As somebody who doesn't know you at all, I through now listening to the podcast felt deeply invested.

[Sufi]

It would have been a huge bummer if it was like, well, it was a dud. Yeah, we did a lot of run up to it. It was a real. Did you speak?

[Patrick Adams]

I'm assuming you had. You.

[Sufi]

You.

[Patrick Adams]

You spoke, Seth.

[Sufi]

I did. I spoke. I. I was very emotional. I felt a great. Honored to have the burden of responsibility for putting into words how I felt about Josh.

[Patrick Adams]

I bet, I bet. Well, so happy for you, man. That's so great.

[Pashi]

Thank you.

[Sufi]

I don't know if I told you this, Josh, but Alexi was sitting with my eldest, stayed awake for the speeches, and I got up and I started my toast and I started with a joke and everybody laughed and Alexi said, ash laughed really hard and then looked at her and shrugged like, get it.

[Patrick Adams]

But I like, oh, great.

[Sufi]

But I like that. He was like, I'll play along, but I want you to know I don't get any of these jokes.

[Patrick Adams]

I'm not enjoying this.

[Sufi]

I am not enjoying it, But I get that it's important to dad. Yeah.

[Pashi]

I also liked cuz Axel was up for a little bit of like the earlier speeches, but anytime anyone swore, both boys would like, look at each other and then look at Alexi. Like, that was a swear. Yeah, Yeah. I get very excited and semi shocked.

[Patrick Adams]

We're awake for swearing.

[Sufi]

We're awake for swearing.

[Patrick Adams]

That's great.

[Sufi]

Did you. Is it safe to say based on the fact that you bought this home in Toronto that was a summer house, that that was a big part of your upbringing?

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah, it sort of was. You know, it's interesting. Cottaging is sort of like a big deal in Toronto. That's like what everybody does there during the summer, either.

[Sufi]

Lake houses. When you say cottage.

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah. So it's like. It's really. I mean, I grew up thinking that this was just sort of normal, but it's not. It's a very unique sort of part of the Canadian shield up there. It's lots of lakes. The thing with mus is it's, like, lots of little lakes, and Georgian Bay is one huge body of water and a lot of, like, little islands. But you'd always, in the summer, take off to the cottage, whether yours or somebody else's. That was kind of. You wanted to get out of town. So we did a lot of renting of cottages growing up. We never owned one until after my folks got divorced. The man my mother ended up with was a big cottager. And so they went off and found this beautiful, tiny little island in Georgian Bay. So it was already. I think they got divorced around, like, 15 or 16 years old. So I was already kind of doing my own thing on the summers, and I was also pissed at my mom for getting a divorce. And so I would go to the cottage, but it wasn't, like, where I'd spend the whole summer. I'd go for a week or two, bring some friends up there. So it was a part of my life. But, like, my little sister was there all summer and, like, working at the, you know, the diner across the lake and doing camp. There's a little camp across the. Across the water for. For the kids. So, you know, a lot of people would. Would do the full, like, two months up there. And that. That wasn't my situation. But, you know, when we lost my stepfather sadly passed two years ago. And the island is a lot of work. You gotta, you know, get everything out there. You gotta, you know, you do the grocery shop two hours away. You gotta get it out, and all the garbage. It's just. It's just an amount of work that my mom was not looking forward to doing. So she said, you know, I think I'm gonna sell the place, but if you guys want it, I'd love to sell it to you. So we.

[Sufi]

We.

[Patrick Adams]

We're trying it out. It's kind of wild to have a place so far, but so we've done the last two summers there, and it's just magical. I mean, I think you guys know you spend a lot of time out.

[Sufi]

Yes. Out of the city in the summer based on how. What a raw deal you got on the Sprinter van and the fact that Cedars Sinai made you pay even though you had a baby in the car. I'm assuming your mom ripped you off. Your mom got to pay, like, two or three times.

[Patrick Adams]

She is a businesswoman.

[Sufi]

Come on. Like, totally took you for a ride on this house.

[Patrick Adams]

No, she gave us a very good. But she is a businesswoman. She. She. She, like, when she offered to sell it to us, it, it. She's. She gave us the terms instantly. Like she had already thought about the contractual terms.

[Sufi]

Did she do that thing of like, I don't know, is it crazy to sell? And you're like, I mean should we buy and then immediately you get a fax? I have a lot of interested buyers. You gotta move fast.

[Patrick Adams]

She gave us very good terms and she's very excited that I think that we're, we're trying to like keep it going. But it is a little odd because it was not my. I have an emotional attachment to it, but it wasn't like my. The whole way I spent my summer. So we're kind of trying to like rebuild it for ourselves and figure out what it is for our family. But it's beautiful. I mean it's a stunning way to spend the summer.

[Sufi]

And does your mom then year round is she in Toronto?

[Patrick Adams]

So she actually has another place. So we're on an island which involves all the work that we talked about. She's got another place that's on the mainland that she can just pull her car into. So she spends the summer there and is close, close by. But it's a lot easier. She can come and go by car and we can, you know, come. She can come out and visit by boat. But we're the, we're the ones out in the island.

[Pashi]

Gotcha. Are you the only ones on the island?

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah, it's a, it's a. This always sounds like weird, like it's just a small island. It is a very small island. You could throw a baseball over the island. You know there. It's a tiny little sort of piece of rock, but we're the only ones on it. Yeah. Oh, but you like, like there's an island, you know, you could also throw a baseball at the next island. And there's those people.

[Pashi]

Do they ever throw baseballs at your house?

[Patrick Adams]

Constant throwing baseballs.

[Sufi]

There is one downside of this cottaging life. There's a lot of baseball throwing.

[Patrick Adams]

You got to keep your head on.

[Sufi]

A swivel cuz there you're surrounded by baseball throwing islands. Does your mom take. Can she take her own boat over to see you?

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah, she bought a. She.

[Sufi]

We.

[Patrick Adams]

She got a new boat when she. My stepdad, rest his soul, he was the kind of guy who would never buy a new boat. He only. He would buy only the oldest possible boat because he understood how to fix boat boats. So the idea of ever having a new boat that like just worked was insane to him and he would never allow it. And so my mother and I, by virtue of his decisions, would always be driving around these boats that stank like diesel and felt like they were going to explode at any moment. So when we lost him and it was time for us to figure out the boat thing, we were both like, we're going to get new boats. It's a lot of money, but we just need to invest in this so that they work when they work. So, yeah, she has her own thing. Can get out to the island now. Yeah.

[Sufi]

You don't. You don't want your. You don't want to watch your mom push off a tiny island on a boat that you. Like, like 50. 50.

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah. No, no, that's probably not gonna make it.

[Sufi]

You know, I still got a deal on the boat.

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah. Yeah. He had, like, four of them, too. We had to, like, you know, when it was time to. To sell them. Sell them. There's no selling it. It's like, please just take this. I'm gonna charge you to take this boat away. With the condition they were in, he would get.

[Sufi]

It was when it was no longer technically a boat. He was like, I think it's time to move on.

[Patrick Adams]

Not seaworthy for sure.

[Pashi]

So when you were a kid and you were sort of renting these cottages, was that exciting for you? Were you little. Little when you were going up there and you've got two sisters. Am I right there?

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah, two sisters, older and younger. Meredith and Ariel. Yeah, it was always great. I loved getting out of town. My family wasn't like, the thing that we didn't do was, like, camping. So this was as close as we got to, like, nature, which was great. But I always felt like I wanted to be a camping family. Like, I wanted to know what it was like to be in the tent and go. Go backpacking and do all that. So that was stuff that later in life, I. I sort of tried to teach myself or push myself to go do or get people to come do that with me. But as a kid, that was as close as we got to the lake and the trees and, you know, nature. So it was always great to do it and just a good way to spend time together, you know, my. Both my mom and my dad were pretty devout workaholics, and so my memory of a youth was just like them being gone for long periods of time doing things. So when we got to the summ. Got to be there. It was the time when we all got to just be together, you know?

[Pashi]

Yeah. What would you do for, like, school vacations? Would you Travel anywhere else or would you go see grandparents or.

[Patrick Adams]

So my family was weird. My father was a journalist, like a foreign correspondent. And so we lived in Canada and then we moved to London when I was like seven and I was there for about four or five years. So we were closer to Europe at that point. And our vacations were always like a bit more adventurous. Like my dad was really devoted to like giving us cultural experiences. Like he, he wasn't a resort beach guy, even though we really wanted him to be. Like, can we just do the Disneyland thing maybe you know, he would be like, no, we're going to go to Israel, we're going to drive through the west bank, we're going to go to.

[Sufi]

And these weren't working vacations. This was just places he wanted to.

[Patrick Adams]

This was like we are going to go have experience. And I, it's an amazing gift. It didn't make for relax. I, I where they were not relaxing vacations, moment of relaxation, they were always like, you'd kind of come back wide eyed and like, oh my God. I, I saw part of the way it's exactly what he wanted, you know, an education essentially. But you know, as we got older and then my parents got divorced, I was like, can we just go to Disneyland? You just take us to a resort. But we'd go, we'd end up going to a resort and within two days he'd be like, let's get out, let's get out of here. Let's like go into town. Let's like go find like the weird part of the city. Because that's what he did for a living. Like he was constantly surrounding himself in places like that and I just don't think he really felt like alive unless we were in those environments. So yeah, our vacations were always definitely educational. Sometimes a little scary. We'd get into some hairy situations and.

[Sufi]

Do you remember, do you remember a time like where you were like this even as a kid you were clocking like this isn't where we should be right now.

[Patrick Adams]

Well yeah, and I mean like we're like scary to talk about because obviously Israel's hot button. But like that trip to Israel was, was pretty crazy. I mean the, my mother. Well, where did it start? It started with us like going to the airport obviously and my sister who at the time is like 16, 15 and it's just a total nightmare teenager at that point and wants to make everyone's life hell and we're in the security line to get onto the plane to go to Israel from London. And so they're taking it very seriously and going through everything and they grab her guitar and they're looking at her guitar and looking inside of her guitar. And she, that little 15 year old, looks at the garden is like, what, you think I put a fucking bomb in it?

[Sufi]

Yeah.

[Patrick Adams]

And the whole airport shut down. They put her in a security room. They said the flight was not taking, like, it was so intense. And finally they released her after two hours. She never saw the guitar again. Gone. That was the beginning of the Israel trip. That was like the Griswolds go to Israel essentially.

[Sufi]

Now I obviously think that was an overreaction to somebody pretending they had a bomb. I don't think that's an overreaction to somebody who travels with a guitar. I think anytime someone comes to the airport with a guitar and is not on their way to a paid gig.

[Patrick Adams]

Did us a favor.

[Sufi]

Think about it, shut it down.

[Patrick Adams]

And then that trip, you know, so many crazy things happen. But it ends with my mother going, we should drive through Hebron.

[Sufi]

Right?

[Patrick Adams]

Like just for a drive.

[Sufi]

Your mom's complicit here in this. Like.

[Patrick Adams]

Well, my. Yeah, but my mom, I think it was like my memory was. I. I asked them about this because she, I had. My memory was we should drive through Bethlehem, was my memory, because that's Bethlehem and we should go drive through it. And my dad says it's Hebron. And I'm not. I haven't looked at a map recently. I'm not sure how close they are. But anyway, not a part of the world you're supposed to be driving around with yellow Israeli license plates, which we had because we had been spending most of our time in Israel. And as we were driving through Hebron, our windows all got smashed by rocks. And that was like the end of it. Understandably, like, this is not a place for a family trip. And, and you.

[Sufi]

And obviously you weren't in a situation where your sister could like play a folk song to calm everyone down.

[Patrick Adams]

If she'd only had the guitar.

[Sufi]

If she only had the guitar.

[Pashi]

And Cedars Sinai billed you for the window.

[Sufi]

Us, they build you for that, which is like, that's years.

[Patrick Adams]

They always get you. They.

[Pashi]

They always get you.

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah, so it was stuff like that, you know, which ended up being this like incredible life experience for what was I 8 years old at the time, to just set up, be like, oh, the world is a place where is complicated and things like this are happening. And to have a father who could explain to me what just happened and why it happened and get us out of there safely. It sort of felt like I was, you know, my dad was like Indiana Jones or something at the time.

[Pashi]

Yeah, we. We've got some research here that says you also went to Guatemala. Was that.

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah, yeah.

[Pashi]

Also. Did that get sketchy or was that.

[Patrick Adams]

That never got sketchy. That was just beautiful. We. It was coming up on Y2K and there was all this talk about what was going to happen and what it was, but it felt. It felt important. And so. And it was just after the divorce. So, you know, I remember it was just like a tricky time. And, you know, we wanted to spend more time with my dad, and so he wanted to do a vacation with us, and my sister had already left the house, wanted to come and do. Do something with us. So he picked. I think we decided we wanted to do something in the Aztec realm because there was so much talk about. Or the Mayan realm, sorry, the Mayan calendar at that point. So we picked to go to Guatemala and it sort of start again, started resorty. Like, we were out in Belize, I think, which is just next to Guatemala, and we were on the beach and doing the beach thing and swimming with sharks and all that stuff. And then we decided we were going to drive to Guatemala to be there for the actual. For New Year's. And we ended up, you know, sitting there were all these temples. I can't remember exactly. Tall. It's Tall, I think is the name of the. The ancient Mayan city we were in. And anyway, there's a Temple of the Sun. And so, you know, this is my dad. He's like, well, let's climb the Temple of the sun so we can watch the sunset on the millennium from the Temple of the Sun.

[Sufi]

Wow.

[Patrick Adams]

Okay, fine. And then, of course, it's the most miraculous, beautiful thing. And then camped out, you know, for New Year's and all these bonfires out there and people celebrating New Year's and then everyone in the morning before the sun came up on the new millennium, went up and climbed up onto the top, top of the temples, and with hundreds of people on top of these temples, we watched the sunrise. So, yeah, like, how old were you?

[Sufi]

So what's it. What. I mean, how old are you in 1981?

[Patrick Adams]

2019.

[Sufi]

So that's a good. I mean, that's a good age to see a sunset on the millennium.

[Patrick Adams]

It was like the perfect thing for me at that time, and I was so grateful. And it was really matched up with, you know, this divorce energy and this, like, life is changing you know, Well, I guess it wasn't right after the doors a few years but like that was a painful time and you know, figuring out what our lives were and what our family looked like after that, I just remember that, that trip being yeah. Pretty fundamental.

[Sufi]

I do think that would probably put things, not make everything better, but certainly put it in perspective. When you watch the sunset on the.

[Patrick Adams]

Temple of the kind of ruins New.

[Sufi]

Year's, it does ruin the rest of your life though.

[Patrick Adams]

You can't really.

[Sufi]

When they're like, there's gonna be an all you can eat shrimp buffet.

[Patrick Adams]

I'm there.

[Pashi]

And now we're gonna take a quick break to hear from one of our sponsors.

[Sufi]

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[Pashi]

Hey, Seth.

[Sufi]

Yeah.

[Pashi]

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[Sufi]

I'm a snow roads bird. Like to go up my snow roads, maybe pull over at one point, pop off a couple snow angels back in the car. Keep on rocking.

[Pashi]

Yeah. I was gonna say your snow angels are some of the nicest snow angels I've ever seen.

[Sufi]

They look as though an angel fell from heaven and just splatted into the snow.

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah.

[Pashi]

One thing I will say a note on snow angels.

[Sufi]

Yeah.

[Pashi]

You don't have to do them face down.

[Patrick Adams]

What?

[Sufi]

This is going to be a game changer. What about you? Posh rocky trails or snow roads bird?

[Pashi]

Well, I mean, I'm a bit of both. I do love when you're in a vehicle that can handle some rocky terrain. I like driving slow and feeling a big old tire sort of creep over a rock and sort of waggle you back and forth. And that's the kind of feeling that you can get with some confidence in the Nissan Rogue Rock Creek.

[Sufi]

And I would say a lack of confidence in the car we drove in high school which was a Renault le car. And if it was even a little bit rainy, you wouldn't go outside.

[Pashi]

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[Sufi]

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[Patrick Adams]

Here we go.

[Sufi]

Hey, what. What is the age gap with you and your sisters?

[Patrick Adams]

We're all six years apart. Wow. Yeah. Pretty big spread.

[Sufi]

You must have a very unique relationship with each of them because it probably was never a time where it felt like, like the three of you were all hanging out and doing stuff together.

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah, Yeah. I think I. I'm lucky because I'm in the middle, so I feel like I have a very. A closer relationship, I think for them. I don't want to speak for them, but I think it was a different thing because that's a 12 year spread, which now they're very close. But I think it. That's happened as they've gotten older. But, yeah, I mean, it's all I know. So I've seen other people who are much closer, and obviously our kids are closer. So I think there's a real benefit to that. You have sort of more of a playmate. But. But I think at the same time, I sort of idolized my sister, and I don't know if I would have done that the way that I did had she been closer in age. We certainly fought a lot, but Josh.

[Sufi]

Idolizes me and it's only two years.

[Patrick Adams]

Well, that's obvious.

[Sufi]

You don't need it.

[Pashi]

But I also. I see the failings as well.

[Sufi]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you see it. You sort of say often the way you see me, the way one might see the millennium, the dawn of the millennium on the temple of the sun.

[Patrick Adams]

Were you guys always close or did you have a period when you were younger, when it was like, get away. Just stay away from me?

[Sufi]

Not really.

[Patrick Adams]

Pretty much always close.

[Pashi]

Yeah.

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah.

[Sufi]

I mean, I would say, like, maybe like, I would say like my senior year in high school and your sophomore year in high school was the time we had our own strongest friend group.

[Patrick Adams]

Right.

[Pashi]

Yeah, but that's just. Just being.

[Sufi]

But like we learned in high school. Yeah.

[Patrick Adams]

Is it just the two of you?

[Sufi]

Yeah, it's just the two of us.

[Patrick Adams]

Okay.

[Sufi]

Right. The best thing that happened at my wedding is we had like a hangout with just me and Josh and my parents, and we were just sort of having a cocktail about an hour before the wedding. Does that sound about right? Posh.

[Pashi]

Yeah.

[Sufi]

And I said, hey, I've never asked this. What was it like the two years I was gone? You know, I went to college, and then, by the way, then Josh ended up coming to college with me. So we had absolutely shared everything. And I go, but there was two.

[Patrick Adams]

Years where you were.

[Sufi]

I was like, what is that what happened in those two years? And they said, literally all three of them said the sweetest thing, which was. I don't remember. Every one of them was like, I have no memory of it.

[Pashi]

I don't.

[Patrick Adams]

I really don't.

[Sufi]

It was this. It was like the sweetest thing to hear. It was like, oh, my God, it was so boring.

[Patrick Adams]

You said that was the best part of your wedding.

[Sufi]

The best part? Yes.

[Patrick Adams]

Does your wife.

[Sufi]

I'm not going to change my answer now I see what you're trying to do. I'm not going to change my answer.

[Patrick Adams]

I just wonder if she knows.

[Yorm Taccone]

We should.

[Sufi]

The opening of my vows were. Well, it's been all downhill since this.

[Patrick Adams]

Conversation with my brother.

[Sufi]

The entirety of my vows were like, my parents and Josh just did the sweetest thing.

[Pashi]

Yeah, it was just like, you get so busy when you're like a junior and senior in high school. You have your whole kind of life going on, which I think is what's supposed to, because it gets you ready to go off to college and be your own person. I've got a friend right now in la and his wife just got this job where she's out of town a bit for these big chunks. And his son just went to college. And then his daughter is a junior in high school. So it's just him and his daughter at home for like big stretches of time. And he's like, it's so weird. But also she's so busy, like she's just out doing stuff.

[Patrick Adams]

Everything's happening. Yeah. My kids are so young, but I have friends who have kids that age and it just, it's a full time job. I mean, they're just. It's like they're good getting ready for college. They're writing the essays, they're getting all the test prep. It's nuts.

[Pashi]

Yeah.

[Sufi]

So it's crazy. I mean, I think we're very lucky to have that perspective of. I also have a lot of friends whose kids are like, I feel like a, you know, half generation older. And I think it's good to have those friends because they're all like, dude, enjoy it. It's like, however bad your, like sleeping is now, it gets so much worse.

[Patrick Adams]

Enjoy.

[Sufi]

Like when they're like, you're dumb. Do you. So was there. Do you ever remember a trip? Because I guess too, like just sort of the. If my math is right on the timing of the divorce. Do you remember a trip where it was all five of you?

[Patrick Adams]

Israel is one of the Last big ones, maybe. And maybe that's why it weighs so heavily on my mind, too. We did a cal. I was really young. That's funny. Actually have a picture. This is, like, from a trip I have no memory of, but that's me and my sister, like, in California, you know, that was a trip that we did, a road trip that I've had them tell me a bit about. But, you know, they got so busy. My dad was just flying all over the world. He would disappear for months at a time. So it was rare that we would line up, up and. And be able to do it. I think we did some ski trips, but usually because of my parents alternating work schedule, it was like one or the other, which is maybe why divorce happened eventually. But. But. But they were always, you know, always great. But to have the five of us together was pretty rare.

[Sufi]

Who did your dad write for?

[Patrick Adams]

So we worked for the CBC when we were in Canada, and then the Christian Science Monitor when it was a paper in. And then. And then the CBC moved him to as a foreign correspondent to London, where we lived. And then he worked for the Christian Science Monitor. And then he ended up leaving there and he didn't work for the BBC. I think he started working for Global. Can't remember. I think he might have also gone freelance at that point. But then we moved back to Canada, and then he bounced around a little bit before becoming a teacher and now retired.

[Sufi]

Do you have a lot of memories of your time in London?

[Patrick Adams]

Did I loved London, yeah. I mean, it was terror. You know, the age when you go at 8 years old and change your whole life. It was like, you're killing me. This is the end. I can't do it. And so there was about a year of just feeling like I was a complete. Just like I didn't fit in at all. And the kids were just brutal. But then, you know, found my school, found my place, found my friends, and then loved it. Yeah, I loved being in Europe because these trips, these little trips we would do would be, you know, what you would normally be here, like, like, let's go to Big Sur. But instead you'd be in Switzerland or, you know, just have these crazy little trips in Europe.

[Sufi]

Did you. Were you devastated when you had to move back?

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah, yeah, of course. Like, devastated when I had to move. And then when it was time to come back, like, no, no, no, no, no, wait a minute. This is my new life.

[Sufi]

Someone pointed out that's ultimately, like, everything you bring your kids to. It's like, all right, come on there's a Halloween party. I want to go, I don't want to go. And then you finally get them there and they're like, we gotta go home. And you're like, could one of these, could you agree with one of them.

[Patrick Adams]

Just say one thing?

[Sufi]

Just either be happy to go or sad to leave, or sad to go and happy to leave.

[Patrick Adams]

But this, my therapist has helped me to realize that maybe, maybe some of the issues in my life have to do with that. Like, exactly that moment where you're building a sense of ego and identity, like between 8 and 12, where, like, you're holding on to anything at all to be like, is this me? Is this where I belong? That's when I moved all the time.

[Sufi]

Right.

[Patrick Adams]

So by the time I, like, get to adolescence, it's like, who am I? Where am I? What's going on? So I've gotten to spend the rest of my life figuring that out.

[Pashi]

Did British kids at, at 8 think your accent was funny?

[Patrick Adams]

They thought everything was funny. And British kids are ruthless. At least they were in 1989. Yeah, it was, it was pretty. I remember it being pretty brutal because at first they were trying to put me in British schools. So, like, my worst memories were like, like, let's go try this school for the day. And to an 8 year old, you go into a British school, it's like you're in a World War II movie. They're wearing the little shorts. They don't understand a word they're saying. They're all laughing at you and insulting you and insults you've never heard. And they're not shy about it and the teachers don't care. It was just eviscerating. I'd come back from these days and be like, I can't do this.

[Sufi]

It's also so funny to be like, all right, children, this is Patrick. He'll be here for a day and no longer. So there'll be no consequences or fallout from how you treat him.

[Patrick Adams]

Oh, God, yeah. So then I ended up finding a school that was a bit more closer to like a Western education there and had like a mix of kids from all over the world and sort of found my way and found acting there. Honestly, that was like the first time I was exposed to that. And, you know, once I found that, started to feel like I had my place. And just as I started to figure that out, it's time to move. Go to a different country.

[Pashi]

Sure, yeah.

[Patrick Adams]

And back to Canada.

[Pashi]

Would you travel around the UK a bit as well? Or when you traveled, was it mostly going to Switzerland.

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah. We did the uk. We, you know, up and down. We went to Scotland. We. Yeah, all over. All over. I think we didn't really ever do Ireland. I did Ireland as an adult. But yeah, we, you know, there's a fair amount. My parents were good that once they weren't working, we were on the move. We were doing something interesting. We didn't like to sit still for very long. Long.

[Pashi]

Yeah.

[Patrick Adams]

So I feel like we got a lot of. A lot of the United Kingdom.

[Sufi]

I want to this. I'm going to make this a very tortured transition.

[Patrick Adams]

Great.

[Sufi]

But I feel like when nobody could move. Right. And I'm hopefully. Is this my timeline? Right. Is the reemergence of suits Covid or is it postco?

[Patrick Adams]

The reemergence of suits is strike.

[Sufi]

Strike.

[Patrick Adams]

Which all felt. It felt Covid. Yes. It was like we all just transitioned one into the other.

[Sufi]

When did it dawn on you that it was happening and what was that like? Because it is so unique that a show has a emergence like this completely.

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah, it was a slow drip. I mean, I had moved transitioned into like, obviously sad that the strikes were happening and that no work was happening. But I was also in, like, I'm going to embrace this time. Like, I'm gonna be with my family. We were up at that cottage that I was talk. Talking about. It was our first summer there, so I was going full Mosquito coast.

[Sufi]

It was. Having lived through the 0708 strike, the timing of this past one was way better because it was a summer strike.

[Patrick Adams]

It was a summer strike. And so I was like, I'm just gonna be with my family. I'm gonna enjoy this and do this cottage thing and pretend I know what I'm doing at this cottage thing and crawling around under cabins trying to teach myself how to do plumbing. And like I was really pretty grungy and growing the beard and just living this sort of out there life. And then I started getting these thinking like, there's no work, there's nothing to be done. I can just ignore that completely. And. And I started getting these like emails from, you know, the reps being like, hey, just so you know, check this out. You know, it's dropped on Netflix. It's, you know, broke, well, one week record broke the two week record. And then, you know, and I kept just being like, okay, I don't know what this. It doesn't mean anything. What is that? It'll be over in a flash. Like everything is. And over the course of like those eight or nine Weeks or whatever. It just became, you know, this record break. Like an unimaginable amount of numbers, like 58 billion minutes. I love how we, like, rank things in minutes. Watch now.

[Sufi]

Is it a palpable difference in how often you are recognized?

[Patrick Adams]

Yes. It's changed. And it's also, for me, the. Yeah, I guess the. The recognition, it started to die down a bit, but it's also like the. The people. Other people in the cast will argue with me, but I never really had a lot of young people. Even when Suits was like, in its heyday, so to speak, there weren't like, it wasn't cool. It was like, hey, my mom really loves you. Can I take a picture? It was not like, hey, dude, oh my God, you're Mike Ross. It wasn't. Those people did exist, but it was not the overwhelming amount. And I found that with this run, all of a sudden, like, 17 and 18 year olds are as excited as their moms, which is not what our experience was the first time, which is really cool. So it's not only has it re engaged people, it's for some reason found like a younger audience as well. Yeah.

[Sufi]

Multiple former cast members of the Office, when they're on my show, like Rain or John or Jenna, when they come out, they've all said to me, the audience is cacophonous when they come out. And they're always like, that would not have happened when the Office was on.

[Patrick Adams]

Because it had a second life too.

[Sufi]

Yeah, that it became a show that everybody watched sort of like on a loop, a comfort loop.

[Patrick Adams]

And I think because they were a Covid show.

[Sufi]

Right.

[Patrick Adams]

That happened in Covid.

[Sufi]

I think that was Covid show. Yeah.

[Patrick Adams]

And so I think for both of us, maybe us being post Covid, there's like an emotional attachment to it that's different than the first one. It wasn't just a show on tv. Now it is a thing that got me through a thing. Like, this was a really hard time. And this gave our lives, like, purpose and direction and made us feel connected. And I think that creates maybe a stronger bond. I don't know.

[Sufi]

So you're doing a podcast, which is a rewatch podcast, and this is my favorite detail. So you and your co star, Sarah era never watched the show?

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah, I mean, we had seen episodes of the show, but I would. I think what we've maybe 10 tops.

[Sufi]

Gotcha.

[Patrick Adams]

Of 134 episodes.

[Sufi]

And is this sort of just the way you approach all your work or.

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah, I can't watch a thing.

[Sufi]

I get it.

[Patrick Adams]

Even having this little square with me in it right now is really problematic for me. I, I'm the guy that, if you take a picture of me, I can't just don't, you know, on set continuity photos, like, okay, look at that. Like, don't show it to me. I don't want to. It gets me in my head. I have some body dysmorphia. Whatever it is. Like, I just, it's way better for me to not get in that mind space. And I'm not proud of it. It's something that I wish that I could be better at. But I learned it really during suits when, you know you're going non stop, you have to shoot the next day you're shooting, you know, 16 hour days, five days a week. It was like, like, I can't, I, I just need to do the work. I can't think about the outcome, thinking I would do it later. Oh, when the show's over, I'll watch it. But then, of course when the show's over, you're thinking about what the next thing is. So, yeah, I just, I just, it just never happened. And then it went into the past and then I left the show a couple of years earlier than some of the people and I was like, okay, what's next? And just forgot about it and was like, okay, that was this wild, life changing event. What's next? And this resurgence really for me was just a wake up call of like, maybe take a look. Like maybe, maybe take a look a. Because there's people who are really excited about it and these podcasts that we've been listening to, like, it's a really good format to do that. Yeah, but take a look because like you're, you know, like you're ignoring it and that can't be healthy. You know, like, like dive back in, like change that thing which has maybe all this like sticky feelings about it. Like dive into it and see what that's about and maybe turn it into a bit of gratitude and like acceptance and, you know, joy, because it was a really incredible time that did change everything about my life. And trying to sort of keep it up on the corner of the shelf felt a little weird all of a sudden. So.

[Pashi]

And then I also, that it must, having the podcast must force you to sort of mete it out and do, you know, one at a time.

[Patrick Adams]

Like you can't and slow it down. You know, when you're shooting these things, you're like, like I've said it a few. It's like you're running a marathon at a sprint's pace. Like you are you. It is so. You're going so hard for so long and it go. You, you just miss moments. You don't get to enjoy really any of it, right until you get to the end of a season and you go, oh, wow, we did it. And so this is an opportunity to like enjoy each episode and like in conversation with somebody else who was having a different experience while it was happening, talk over the scenes. What was going on for you? Because we're as interested in that as we are watching the show. Like, what was going on for you? What. What were you doing? You know, Sarah had this totally different experience of the first season and that she was separated from her family and I was working all the time because I was, you know, one of the top two. She wasn't in that first season, so she's separate and having this very sort of like, I'm not working enough to be distracted. So I find that stuff endlessly interesting. Sometimes I'm worried people don't really want to hear how the sausage is made. But so far on this podcast, it seems like the fans are really interested in that kind of behind the scenes stuff. And so. Yeah.

[Sufi]

How much did you interact with Doug Lyman?

[Patrick Adams]

Very little. Love him though. He's so good. He came. I hope this is not Ty to school. He came. All I remember the first meeting was he came to a table read and you really not been too involved up until that point.

[Sufi]

He produced the show. He directed the pilot.

[Patrick Adams]

Hip. No, he didn't even direct the pilot. Hypnotic. His company produced the show and really his right hand man, Dave Bartis was the guy on, on the ground making it happen. You know, he, he had much bigger things going on obviously. And then he showed up to the table read and the first table read and we're all like, oh, you're here. And we did the table read and then as if it was like we were going to start shooting on Monday, you know, and he's like, all right, well I've got some notes. And he gives notes that you would have given it the, like we shoot in a year stage.

[Sufi]

Right.

[Patrick Adams]

And because it's him, he's just so friendly about it. It was so matter of fact about it. Like, well, I think the third act needs a lot of work and we're gonna need to restructure it. I remembered them being like, okay, actors, why don't you get out of the room, we're gonna have a little chat.

[Sufi]

And also don't go Practice your lines.

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sufi]

Cause they might be different.

[Patrick Adams]

We're gonna change it all.

[Sufi]

Yeah.

[Patrick Adams]

No, he's great. He was great. I wish we had him more, you know? Cause he was at the time doing a lot of interesting television, but for some reason, and, I mean, I know he was involved behind the scenes and looking at cuts and giving ideas, but not as much as we would have liked.

[Pashi]

Yeah. Hearing you talk about sort of going back to suits is not entirely dissimilar to the wedding in that we had such a different experience of it than everyone that was at the wedding. And now my wife, Mackenzie, is like, hey, can I see your pictures and your videos from, like, other people? Because in a lot of ways, it was a show that we put on, and. And, like, I've been telling her, it's like we were in a play, and when you're in a play, you never get to see the play, nor should you.

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah.

[Pashi]

Yeah.

[Patrick Adams]

So that happened for us. We had the most magical wedding. I was. We came out of our wedding just. Just high on it. It was so wonderful. And then someone sent the video. They were like, hey, we cut together the video. Do you want to see it? And we watched it, and it was a beautiful video. And I couldn't watch a frame of it because it did not.

[Sufi]

That's right.

[Patrick Adams]

I was like, this is not my. This cannot do justice to the feeling that I had coming out of this weekend. It's. It's making, and I can't deal with it.

[Sufi]

That's a real. Talking about not wanting to see a continuity photo in my head. I am way more dashing as a way this was.

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah. Then all of a sudden, I was charming.

[Sufi]

Just like, my. My head's matted. Yeah.

[Patrick Adams]

I feel like in, like, again, time. Every time heals everything. So I'm sure we watch it in, like, 25 years, and we can have that feeling again.

[Sufi]

You want to be old enough that however shitty you look to your wedding, looks handsome to how you look.

[Patrick Adams]

Exactly. Which at this stage of my life is, like, every week. It's just downhill.

[Pashi]

Yeah.

[Sufi]

Now you and I are going to.

[Patrick Adams]

Sit down and watch it.

[Sufi]

It's been fantastic meeting you officially, talking about everything. And now Josh is going to ask you some questions that we ask all of our guests.

[Pashi]

All right, Here we go. You can only pick one of these is your ideal vacation. Relaxing, adventurous, or educational?

[Patrick Adams]

Adventurous and educational are an interesting distinction. I mean, I guess, given what we've talked about, I think adventurous, and I hope there's some education in there, but I'll lean adventurous. Yeah.

[Pashi]

Oh, yeah. Very good. What's your favorite means of transportation?

[Patrick Adams]

Camper van. Gotta go. Camper van. I'm invested at this point.

[Pashi]

Is it so well organized? It has to be so well organized, doesn't it?

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah. You can go online. We did one of these Architectural Digest like, walkthroughs of our house recently, and. And I forced them to come do an Architectural Digest walkthrough of my camper van. So it's somewhere online. It's quite small, but it's very well organized and it's got a kitchen and the whole thing. So, yeah, I'm a Virgo, so things need to go where they need to go. Yeah.

[Pashi]

If you could take a vacation with any family, alive or dead, real or fictional, other than your own family, who would you like to take a family vacation with?

[Patrick Adams]

This is hard. Cause I feel like you've had every family. Right. There's no new answers to this question.

[Sufi]

No, we practice surprising.

[Patrick Adams]

It stimulate. I talked to my wife about this Swiss Family Robinson.

[Sufi]

That's a good one.

[Patrick Adams]

She said Robinson Crusoe, and I was like, are these the same thing? And it sent us down a rabbit hole of understanding.

[Sufi]

Robinson Crusoe. You don't want to be with Robinson.

[Patrick Adams]

Crusoe was the original book that Swiss Family Robinson was like. Oh, like, I guess there was a lot of fan fiction, I guess, essentially at the time. Gotcha. And that's why Swiss Family Robinson's called Swiss Family Robinson.

[Sufi]

But, yeah, Swiss Family Robinson started on Reddit. A lot of people don't know that.

[Patrick Adams]

Yeah, yeah. It was crowds first on Reddit. Yeah.

[Pashi]

So Robinson Crusoe or Swiss Family Robinson?

[Sufi]

Swiss Family Robinson.

[Patrick Adams]

I think Crusoe gets a little darker.

[Sufi]

Yeah.

[Patrick Adams]

I'll go. I'll go. Swiss Family Robinson.

[Pashi]

Okay, great. If you had to be stranded on a desert island with one member of your family, who would it be?

[Patrick Adams]

I love all the members of my family to say that at the beginning. I love you guys. My younger sister is an incredible chef, which would be amazing to live with. But my older sister lives off the grid in a cabin on the northern reaches of an island off the coast of British Columbia where she, like, hunts and gathers and fishes, and that's the person that you need to have on the desert island.

[Sufi]

Any. Any guitar fear. Is there any?

[Patrick Adams]

Can't go near him now.

[Sufi]

Okay.

[Patrick Adams]

She makes guitar bombs now. That's like, what she's doing up there.

[Sufi]

Oh, God. See, you can find her on Etsy. Etsy Black. The black.

[Patrick Adams]

It's the 4chan Etsy.

[Sufi]

The dark Etsy.

[Pashi]

Are you from Toronto proper?

[Patrick Adams]

I am from Toronto proper, yep.

[Pashi]

Would you recommend Toronto as a vacation destination?

[Patrick Adams]

It's hard. I. I recommend, yes. It's. It would be, you know, obviously a city vacation. But I love Toronto. I think it's an incredible city. Unbelievable food, the people are wonderful. So I love that city so much. Vacations are tough. Whoever wants to just go to a city for a vacation, but go to the city, then head on up to cottage country.

[Sufi]

I did stand up there this winter, and I will tell you that the opening joke that went really well based on just driving in from the airport, is like, you have a beautiful city. I think you guys can stop building it because there's so many.

[Patrick Adams]

That's good.

[Sufi]

They're just like. So everybody, every time I go to Toronto is just like cranes.

[Patrick Adams]

It's everywhere.

[Sufi]

Insane.

[Patrick Adams]

That's a great joke because it is. Yeah. And it's like the traffic is. I think it's now considered the worst traffic in the world. Literally. Like, that's not hyperbole. I think it is. People say that the 401 in Toronto is the worst highway in the world.

[Pashi]

Do you call it tdot?

[Patrick Adams]

I do not. I call it Toronto.

[Pashi]

Okay.

[Patrick Adams]

Or the six. No, I don't call it.

[Pashi]

I've also heard a car. Raccoon city.

[Patrick Adams]

Is that like a Drake thing?

[Pashi]

No, that's. And I know there's like a raccoon city in some horror video game, but it's like you guys had raccoons that would, like, live in the city all within. Like, they'd live in a three block radius for their entire lives. And then you changed your trash cans to have like a little lip or some lever that raccoons can't operate it.

[Patrick Adams]

And then the raccoons move it around.

[Pashi]

Then they were like, losing their minds.

[Patrick Adams]

The raccoons in Toronto are pretty legendary. Yeah. You see some big ones.

[Sufi]

All right.

[Pashi]

And then Seth has our final questions.

[Sufi]

All right, Patrick, have you been to the Grand Canyon?

[Patrick Adams]

Well, guys, this is the one. I've been to the Grand Canyon many times, and the closest I have ever come to death in my life was in the Grand Canyon.

[Sufi]

Really? Now a lot of people. I mean, rest in peace. But, you know, this is happening to a lot of people. Was it user error or do you blame the canyon? Canyon.

[Patrick Adams]

You never blame the canyon. Always blame the user. I. I had a friend who planned a trip and I did not follow up. He's like, I got it. I did. The details just show up and so we got in the car, and we went on a backpacking trip on a route that not a lot of people are on, not just the normal up and down in the main area. And he had just miscalculated the time of year where water was going to be. Long story short, that thing, the sign that's everywhere in the Grand Canyon in. Have enough water. Know your sources. We're fine. About halfway through the first day, we ran out of water, and we thought that there was, like, water coming or a creek at some point, and there wasn't, and. And he ended up vomiting and passing out and dropping down. And I was starting to get dehydrated, and there was no one for miles. And I was tearing through the canyon, screaming at the top of my lungs, and I was like, I have to make the decision to try and push forward. Do I eat him right now? It's right now I should start eating him. No, I just really. It was. It was the scariest moment of my life. I was like, this is. I have to make a decision now that I'm gonna have to live with for the rest of my life.

[Pashi]

And how did it resolve?

[Patrick Adams]

He's dead, and I left him there. And, no, this is the crazy part. This is where it gets biblical almost. And it's hard to believe, but this did occur. I was screaming into the canyon, literally screaming like, help. Hoping someone up there would hear, which is hopeless. And all of a sudden, I hear a clap of thunder. And I look up behind me, and there's this. It was a perfectly beautiful day. This cloud comes up over the top of the canyon and fills the sky, and it starts pouring rain. Out of nowhere, there's a horned ram, like, behind me. When I do this, literally, I'm not joking. Up on the. No, we just saw. We were just at the canyon. We saw, like, a. Yeah, just like, standing there. And then another clap of lightning, and the ram took off. And I was like, I have to get back to my friend, and started running through the rain. Snakes were coming out of the ground at this point because it was raining. So there's all these snakes. I get back to him, and he's finally awake because he's cooled down. And I'm like, we have to walk. We are going to die here. We have to walk. He's like, okay. And for the next three miles, we're just pushing. No water, both getting dehydrated, hydrated. And finally we come up over this ridge and see down that. We finally have gotten to a creek. And so you didn't walk back to the top.

[Pashi]

You kept.

[Patrick Adams]

There was no walking, like, at that point, you know, you're at that decision, looking at the map, and we're like, closer to what should be water. But at that point. We've had so many what should be water moments. But we're at that point where, again, it's so many choices. You're like, and is this the choice that kills me? Do I go back or do I go here? Do I. Do I leave you here? Or go and go ahead and hope I find someone to come back for you? It was just. It was a real night nightmare. So that was my first Grand Canyon experience. Wow.

[Sufi]

I can't believe you went back. Let me just.

[Patrick Adams]

I had to re. I had to re. I had to expose myself in a different way. That sounds wrong. Don't expect.

[Pashi]

How was the rest of that first trip after that experience? Were you just sort of on a high? On a strange high?

[Patrick Adams]

No, we were. It was really kind of the dissolution of that friendship, if I'm honest. It was too bad. Like, we don't keep in touch anymore. It was really just this. Like, we survived this and we could never speak again. Like, it was. It was just we were already a bit at odds with each other and. And so it was one of those trips where, like, we were doing it to see if we could still be friends and, like, figure it out. And by that point, it was like, no, this is clearly indicated that this time in our lives is over.

[Pashi]

How much water did you start with?

[Patrick Adams]

Did you have, like, the normal amount? Like, never enough, I guess. But I was drinking it liberally. I was really like, you know, let's go for it. Like, I'm. Because that. You showed me on the map where the water is. So it was. Yeah, it was really dumb.

[Pashi]

Oo, mamma mia.

[Patrick Adams]

Dumb, dumb. But I love the Grand Canyon, you know, despite it.

[Sufi]

We're gonna. I don't know if in the end they're gonna let you be their celebrity endorsement. What a pleasure, man. I hope we see you in person soon. It was really great. You do.

[Patrick Adams]

Thank you. It's really great to meet you both. I'm a huge fan. Thanks for having me.

[Sufi]

Thanks, man. Love to your family.

[Patrick Adams]

All right. All the best suit.

[Pashi]

When you're delivering a baby in the parking lot in the parking lot in the parking lot when you're driving through Hebron look out for the rocks look out for the rocks look out for the rocks if it's summer up in Canada Go out to the cottage Go out To the cottage. Go out to the cottage if you're wondering what these things all have. And come on, you just heard it all, fool. We have Patrick Adams on that Patrick. Patrick Adams with a J. He's got a cottage on an island in the bay. It's not enormous. You can clear it with a baseball. Neighbors throwing baseballs. What's with all the baseballs? Bought it from Mama who moved to the mainland. Less upkeep, so it seemed like a good plan. Gave him good terms, she wasn't being cutthroat. When it was done, they each bought a new boat. When he was 8, he moved to London. But how to find the perfect school was a conundrum. Reddish kid with thick accents. When you're a student for a day, you're playing defense against these toughs in their little short shorts with the stickball and their funny Brit sports. Eventually he settled in and found his friends. But before you knew it, they were moving back again. When you ring in the millennium, go to Guatemala. Go to Guatemala. Go to Guatemala. Got a guitar at security. Don't say it has a bomb. Don't say it has a bomb. Don't say it has a bomb. If you're hiking Grand Canyon, you gotta bring water. You gotta bring water. You gotta bring water. And if you hear a thunderclap and you see a ram, then you live. But you don't ever have to see that friend again.