ZOSIA MAMET Got Her Knees Stuck at the Tower of London

Summary

Family Trips with the Meyers Brothers: ZOSIA MAMET Got Her Knees Stuck at the Tower of London

Hosts: Seth Meyers and Josh Meyers
Guest: Sasha Mamet
Release Date: February 4, 2025

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Introduction

In this engaging episode of Family Trips with the Meyers Brothers, Seth and Josh Meyers welcome actress and writer Sasha Mamet as their guest. The discussion revolves around Sasha's unique childhood experiences, memorable family vacations, and humorous mishaps, particularly focusing on her infamous incident at the Tower of London.

Early Life and Family Dynamics

Sasha begins by sharing insights into her early life, highlighting the frequent moves between Vermont, Massachusetts, and Los Angeles due to her parents' careers. “Our house was in Cabot, where the cheese comes from,” Sasha reminisces at [29:02], setting the stage for a childhood marked by transitions.

She delves into the strained relationship with her older sister, describing it with vivid metaphors: “She was like the hold music in her life,” [33:57]. This detachment created a challenging family environment, shaping Sasha's resilient and independent nature.

The European Adventure and the Tower of London Mishap

One of the most memorable stories Sasha shares is her family's trip to Europe when she was seven. Visiting France, Italy, and London, she fondly recalls iconic sites but vividly describes an unsettling experience at the Tower of London.

During a hot summer day tour, seven-year-old Sasha became bored and mischievously stuck her knees into a fence. “We were probably there for like 10 minutes and it was so hot that my knees swelled and I couldn't get them out,” she explains [37:08]. The situation escalated, necessitating a call to the fire department.

A janitor arrived with an unconventional solution: “He pulled out like a big thing of dish soap and he just covered me in dish soap and pops me out,” Sasha narrates [37:22]. The crowd's reaction was overwhelming, leading her to express immense shame: “They cheered so loud and I wanted to crawl inside of myself and die,” [38:37]. This incident not only left a lasting impression but also became a humorous yet humbling memory shared with the Meyers brothers.

Life in Amsterdam and Fashion Ventures

Sasha discusses her time in Amsterdam, which significantly influenced her personal style. Josh shares a humorous anecdote about Sasha's fashion show at the Club Warehouse, where she debuted a quirky outfit that left onlookers astonished: “They were like just gobsmacked. It was a real moment,” [14:48]. This experience is immortalized in family photos, symbolizing Sasha's bold and creative spirit.

Challenging Vacations with Her Father and Stepmother

The conversation shifts to vacations with Sasha's father and stepmother, which were often fraught with tension. Sasha describes her father's aversion to vacations due to his rigid nature and how her stepmother forced him into the practice. Their trip to Kauai was particularly chaotic, marked by a historic hurricane, power outages, and her father's persistent discontent.

A standout moment from this trip involved her father nearly getting a tattoo of a gecko while heavily intoxicated: “He was sitting in the chair in a red Speedo holding a bottle of vodka,” Sasha recalls [61:05]. Her intervention prevented what she describes as “the dumbest thing I've ever done,” illustrating the strained yet protective sibling dynamic.

Sibling Relationships and Manipulative Dynamics

Sasha offers a candid look into her relationships with her siblings, emphasizing the manipulation by her older sister. She recounts a bizarre incident where her sister and a friend concocted a fabricated ceremony about growing a penis when turning 13: “He was a master manipulator,” Sasha admits [42:53]. This manipulation fostered distrust and shaped her approach to relationships and honesty.

Speed Round: Quick Insights

The episode features a lively speed round where Sasha answers rapid-fire questions, revealing more about her personality and preferences:

• Ideal Vacation: Relaxing [68:08]
• Favorite Means of Transportation: Train [68:13]
• Version of a Vacation Family: A fictional portrayal of the Zuckers [68:25]
• Stranded on a Desert Island With: Her husband [69:25]
• Hometown Preference: Los Angeles over Randolph, Vermont [69:42]
• Recommendation for LA as a Vacation Destination: Cautious but honest feedback [70:38]
• Grand Canyon Experience: Found it spectacular and expressed interest in mule treks [70:44]

Memorable Family Moments and Reflections

Sasha reflects on her European trip memories, including being locked out of her hotel room in Venice and spending time alone in a foreign city. “They prefer it doesn't happen,” she muses [39:34], highlighting the fear and confusion of navigating such situations as a child.

She also discusses summers spent without shoes, swimming in the ocean, and attempts at sailing and tennis, despite her lack of skill: “I just can't hit the tennis ball with a racket,” Sasha jokes [43:57]. These memories underscore her adventurous yet sometimes challenging upbringing.

Conclusion

The episode wraps up with heartfelt reflections on the impact of family trips on personal growth and relationships. Sasha shares regrets, such as not preventing her father's impulsive tattoo decision, and the enduring effects of childhood experiences on her adult life. Seth and Josh express their appreciation for Sasha's openness and storytelling, reinforcing the podcast's theme of exploring the complexities of family vacations.

Notable Quotes:

• “It's like a magnet. We just can't help but be pulled towards it,” – Sasha Mamet on being a horse girl [18:15]
• “They cheered so loud and I wanted to crawl inside of myself and die,” – Sasha Mamet recounting the Tower of London incident [38:37]
• “He was a master manipulator,” – Sasha Mamet about her sister [42:53]
• “I just can't hit the tennis ball with a racket,” – Sasha Mamet on her lack of tennis skills [43:57]

Insights and Conclusions:

Sasha Mamet's stories offer a profound look into how family dynamics and childhood experiences shape one's identity. From humorous mishaps like getting stuck at the Tower of London to the serious implications of sibling manipulation, the episode underscores the intricate balance between family bonds and individual growth. The Meyers brothers effectively highlight the enduring impact of these trips, making the episode both entertaining and emotionally resonant for listeners.

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Transcript

[Sufi]

This episode of Family Trips is brought to you by the all new 2025 Nissan Armada. Because going big never goes out of style. Learn [e-mail] Here we go. Hey, Bashi.

[Bashi]

Hey, Sufi.

[Sufi]

We've got a horse girl as a guest today. Yeah. Sasha Mamet. Fantastic guest. But I want to ask, do you think the way she talks about being a horse girl will be music to Mackenzie's ears?

[Bashi]

I think it's. Yeah. It's entirely familiar. It's. It's a song that Mackenzie has heard in the.

[Sufi]

There's a little ownership, though, that it's a lot to be married to a horse girl.

[Bashi]

Yeah. I think that's recognized. I think. Yeah. But, you know, I'm pretty laid back.

[Sufi]

You're a laid back dude.

[Bashi]

Yeah.

[Sufi]

I mean, you had to put up with me as an older brother for a long time.

[Bashi]

Yeah.

[Sufi]

Do you think that made you. Do you think that made you, like, a good vibe to be around? Because, like, no matter how sort of, you know, not saying she is, but like, if Mackenzie was sloppy, you'd be like, oh, this is nothing.

[Bashi]

Are you trying to take credit for how laid back I am?

[Sufi]

Yeah.

[Bashi]

Yeah.

[Sufi]

Or I'm asking. I don't know. I've never really thought about it. Like, for example, if, like, Alexi. Not that she ever did, like, if she was like. If she got mad about something and like, ran to our bedroom and slammed the door, that would be like water off my back. Cause like, you read that the entirety of our childhood.

[Bashi]

That was a big move of mine.

[Sufi]

Big old slammer.

[Bashi]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Perhaps. But I also, like, you know, Mackenzie has to go out of town a lot for horse shows. And those are. That's like a four day thing. And I've always known that was part of the program. But I also, like, I go out of town alone. Like right now I'm skiing. Yeah. And ain't nobody here but me.

[Sufi]

I feel like if she does ever decide to just bolt, she's got a good four day head start, you know what I mean? Because she's built in that there's just these horse shows and you never check. You're never googling. Is there a horse show this weekend? So she could basically load up that whole trailer with, like all her stuff. You probably wouldn't even pay attention. And then it would be like day five before you'd be like, hey, where'd my wife go?

[Bashi]

Where are the dogs?

[Sufi]

Oh, do you think she'd take both dogs if she bolted?

[Bashi]

I mean, there's no way she'd go without Debbie if she was leaving me. Yeah, there's no way she would leave Debbie behind. Yeah.

[Sufi]

It would be very cruel if she both took Debbie.

[Bashi]

And why are we talking about my wife leaving me?

[Sufi]

Because obviously she's late. I'm trying to. Because she's giving you a thousand hints that that's what she's gonna do.

[Bashi]

We also, at the beginning of this episode, we talk a little bit about, you know, how old we are compared to the youth of today and how, you know, there's. There's some chatter about slang. And I will say, last week, MacKenzie went to Disneyland with a couple of her buddies as a belated birthday sort of day out. And I saw that this musician, Jamie XX, was playing, who's like a dj.

[Sufi]

Yep.

[Bashi]

Electronica down at the Shrine Auditorium. I went on StubHub. She was out. She was like, I'll be home by 8. I was like, no way you're gonna be home by 8. And I bought one ticket to this show, and I just felt like I took the metro downtown and I felt so old walking around the venue. And I got there so far before he started. And I'm doing Dry January, so I was just sort of like, just drinking a ginger ale. Like, what am I doing? And then I sort of waited in the. There's nowhere to sit at that place except in the lobby. And so I was like, sitting in the lobby just watching people. It was fun, people watching. And eventually I was like, I should go.

[Sufi]

You know what young people like when an old dude with a ginger ale just is peeping them.

[Bashi]

Mostly I was looking at people's shoes. I was trying to see, like, what kind of shoes. Yeah, that's a.

[Sufi]

That's a. That's a weird kink. Keep going. Stop looking at my girlfriend. I'm looking at her shoes.

[Bashi]

They're really nice. And then I was like, I should go in and sort of find a place to be and just post up. And I'm tall, so I'll. You know, one person I don't want to make. You know, I'm not going to get in front of a group of shorties and just have that be my spot. So I find a good spot. And you have to wait so long for Jamie XX to come out. And it's like real sort of just deep DJ vibes, like, real kind of. And eventually the show starts and there's this group of people next to me who and this girl sort of clocks that I'm standing there and I'm In a hoodie. And she. At some point, she's like, you know, and it's full on party at this point. And she says, gotta be hot in that hoodie. And I was like, yeah, but if I take it off, I just feel like there's not enough room for me. She's like, come on, take it off. And I was like, I don't know. And then a couple minutes later, she's 100% right. So I take it off and she's with this guy too. And he's like. Gives me a nod and she's like, yeah, I knew you'd get there. And then she's like, tie it around your waist. And. Cause I'm just holding it in front of me. And I was like, I don't. Then it's just like, it makes me wider all around. She's like, tie it around your waist. And eventually I do. And she's 100% right. And there was like, she was part of this big group and her and this dude. And eventually she's like, are you alone? And I was like, yeah. And they also. They thought I was you for a minute.

[Sufi]

Oh, interesting.

[Bashi]

Yeah.

[Sufi]

Which I think I will take it.

[Bashi]

Yeah. And they really brought. She's like, you're with us now. And so I really want to thank Emma and Reggie and the rest of their band of merry pranksters. Cause I wasn't like dancing with them. I was next to them. I was not in there.

[Sufi]

Right, right.

[Bashi]

But I was like, if anything went wrong, if somebody wanted to get in a fight with me, I feel like Reggie would have had my back and Emma would have had my back.

[Sufi]

Seems like good people. I do think they maybe thought you were me and also maybe thought you were an alien who had just come to earth and had these dead giveaways. Like you didn't take a sweatshirt off and you didn't know you were supposed to tie it around your waist. Like, I love all the advice they gave you is like, I mean, it's not like. Yeah, they were club kids, so they knew, like when it gets hot, you take your sweatshirt off. And also you can t around your waist. But how young? I mean, again, I think the problem here that I often make is forgetting how old we are, but like how old, you know, Cuz a JBX is not like the newest thing. Like, I'm aware of him.

[Bashi]

Yeah.

[Sufi]

So how old was the crowd? Was it. Was it late 20s? Was it 30s?

[Bashi]

I would say it was probably late 20s. And I like, I'm so bad with how old, younger people are that I don't like? Emma and Reggie and their group, I would like to say, like, they were USC students, because it's right where USC is. But I don't know. They could have been, like, 30.

[Sufi]

Yeah. Yeah. Alexi's always points out. First of all, Alexi and I know we've talked about this. Thinks it's so lame how into college I am. Like, how proud I am that I went to Northwestern. And, like, to the point that yesterday I walked out and there was a girl in the audience. When I come out and say hi to the audience, everybody was clapping, and I saw a girl wearing a Northwestern sweatshirt, and I did the go cat's claw to her. Oh, yeah. So that, you know. Right.

[Bashi]

Yeah.

[Sufi]

So, again. And by the way, if you're judging me, judge away. You're 100% right. I'm not in the right here, but it is a true, authentic thing about me. But I was at the corner and somebody was wearing a Northwestern sweatshirt, and I was like, hey, I went to Northwestern. And they were like, yeah, yeah, I know. I go, oh, that's awesome. I'm like, when'd you graduate? And I'm still saying it. Like, we overlapped. And I feel like this person was like, yesterday. You know what I mean? And Alexis, like, I think at this point, you know, you could assume you.

[Bashi]

Didn'T go to school with the kids.

[Sufi]

You'Re running into on the street.

[Bashi]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sufi]

But again, very fun. I'm glad you're getting out. Going to the. You know, we had Alan Cumming on the show, and he was talking about. Great dude.

[Bashi]

Yeah.

[Sufi]

Just had his 60th birthday, and I saw him on Monday, and he's like, I had the best weekend. Went dancing. I'm like, I'm so impressed. You can still go dancing. And he's like, no. I went to a place that was. Started at 5pm, ends at 11pm so it's just. And it's like a Saturday night, but it's people realizing, like, let's not. Why are we ruining our whole weekend? We just want to dance for, you know, six hours.

[Bashi]

Yeah.

[Sufi]

Why? You know, we have our energy. Yeah, let's do it.

[Bashi]

There's, like. There's a comedy theater in LA called the Elysian, and I feel like once a month they have a dance party that's, like, from 6 to 9, and it's. Yeah, it appeals to me.

[Sufi]

That's really good. Yeah. All right, well, enjoy Zasha Mamet. And this one, probably you. You will never go back and listen to this one. You know why?

[Bashi]

What's that?

[Sufi]

Cause it's gonna remind you of the time that Mackenzie left you, and you'll be like, oh, my God. He called it.

[Bashi]

Honey, don't leave me.

[Sufi]

All right. Enjoy family trips with my brothers.

[Sasha Mamet]

Family chips with Min. I'm wa. Waving, but they can't see me. I'm literally doing this. I'm like, they can't see me just waving at nothing.

[Sufi]

We're just icing you. We do not care for waving, and that is how we want.

[Sasha Mamet]

Sorry. There's. There will be no waving here. We don't Wait.

[Bashi]

Yeah. Hello.

[Sasha Mamet]

Waving. So 20. 24 it is.

[Sufi]

It's over.

[Sasha Mamet]

It's really over.

[Sufi]

Nods. Small. Nods small. 25. Yeah, it's just a little like.

[Sasha Mamet]

Like, are we gonna bring back the like.

[Sufi]

Yeah, we are.

[Bashi]

It's more the chin. It's the chin.

[Sufi]

Waggle the chin.

[Sasha Mamet]

Yeah. All right.

[Bashi]

All right. It's the equivalent of a fist bump, but with your chin, but you don't actually have to touch.

[Sufi]

And no contact. Yeah.

[Bashi]

It's the same attitude.

[Sasha Mamet]

That's so vintage. It's like that and a cigarette. The dude who does that is smoking an actual cigarette.

[Sufi]

Why is that slang? That I don't know. That's so vintage. Because I also feel like that should be a new thing.

[Sasha Mamet]

I feel like I just mean, like, I don't know if it's slang or not.

[Sufi]

I love it, though. That's so vintage.

[Bashi]

I think you're just sounding extra old by even asking that question.

[Sufi]

Yeah.

[Sasha Mamet]

Or maybe I sound extra old. I feel like the slang the kids use nowadays is good for, like, a week, and then it has. And then it has expired. So if you say it beyond the week mark, they're like, I mean, our.

[Bashi]

Mom is still dropping not. Yeah. Cause she was a school teacher, and she picked up all the slang from her students. She's been retired now for, I don't know, 12 years or so, but she will still drop not.

[Sufi]

She will also say, your dad was dissing me. She uses diss a lot. Yeah.

[Bashi]

Yeah.

[Sufi]

And by the way, he is. There's no other word for what he's doing.

[Sasha Mamet]

He's dissing her.

[Sufi]

He is dissing her.

[Bashi]

He's throwing shade.

[Sasha Mamet]

Throwing so much shade.

[Sufi]

It's interesting for you to acknowledge that, like, young people have a different slang, because I realized when I watched girls, I was way older than that world. But that show was so well done that I did feel for a moment that I at least understood that culture. But now that is so vintage.

[Sasha Mamet]

That is so. It's already vintage.

[Sufi]

It's so vintage.

[Sasha Mamet]

Do we also feel like vintage is happening faster? Yeah, I mean, in the same way as the slang, like coming and going. I feel like the things that are. I don't know, I feel like things are aging quicker or maybe we're just. Maybe I'm just old.

[Sufi]

Yeah, I think that might be.

[Sasha Mamet]

Maybe I'm just old. Honestly, not quite yet.

[Bashi]

Yesterday was my wife's birthday and she wore this pair of jeans that she's had since college and she was like, I knew these were going to come back in style. They were like a little bit sort of wide legged at the bottom. And I have all these pants from when I lived in Amsterdam which are very tight around the top and then just enormous at the bottom. Like they were like raver pants. And I have so many pairs of them in our closet. And she's like, why don't you just give those away? And I was like, nobody wants them.

[Sufi]

No, they're bad.

[Bashi]

They are either going in the trash or I can hold onto them. And I will occasionally break a pair of them out for a particular party or thing or like concert and inevitably I get all these compliments and she will never complime compliment me on them.

[Sufi]

They're awful.

[Bashi]

Doesn't like them.

[Sasha Mamet]

She dis.

[Bashi]

But she wears like. Yeah, but hers were like jeans.

[Sufi]

It sounds like hers were maybe at one time in style before your pants.

[Bashi]

Went, whereas mine never have been.

[Sufi]

So we both. I know this podcast isn't Josh and I telling you about us, but we both lived in Amsterdam and I managed to live in Amsterdam and never change like the style of pant I wore, whereas Josh. And then I left and wanted to come back and visit Josh and it was insane, the change he went through.

[Sasha Mamet]

Wait, also, I have so many follow up questions.

[Sufi]

Go for it.

[Sasha Mamet]

Like what? Like, how did this come about? How long were you there? What was happening in Amsterdam?

[Sufi]

Some American comedians started like a comedy theater over there, like based on the Chicago improv model. And a bunch of American improvisers went over there for a little bit and I was there for a couple years. Josh was there for three and a half. Is that right?

[Bashi]

Three and a half? Yeah. Whoa. And I think we just had different kinds of fun. Sue. Yeah, yeah. That's why. That's where all my style came from. I did a fashion show for a place called the Club Warehouse. Yeah, yeah.

[Sasha Mamet]

Wow. Is there photographic evidence of this?

[Sufi]

There is photographic evidence. He looks like a young.

[Bashi]

And the fashion show was at like 2 in the morning. It was like part of a like DJ night for sure. Yeah. And I had hair. I had a ponytail. And for the fashion show I cut my hair to be short and I had this like hood on. It was like I had like a boxers sort of like warmup thing. Although it was a half jacket so you could see my midriff. And I came out and walked the stage and then took the hood off my head. And my friends who were on various substances were like just gobsmacked. It was a real moment.

[Sufi]

I remember this moment because in the stairwell of our. The suburban home we grew up in is just, you know, the very classic photos of my parents, two children. And there is still a photo of Josh at the fashion show prominently displayed.

[Sasha Mamet]

In my parents home with like hood down or hood up?

[Bashi]

I think hood off at that point.

[Sufi]

Hood off.

[Bashi]

But taken from a low angle.

[Sasha Mamet]

Sure.

[Bashi]

Yeah.

[Sufi]

Inappropriate. It's inappropriate for a suburban.

[Bashi]

I'm not showing anything other than my midriff.

[Sasha Mamet]

I was really not expecting this, like this zagged in a way that I was not anticipating.

[Sufi]

I know, I'm sorry.

[Sasha Mamet]

I'm really enjoying it.

[Bashi]

We like to get you off balance and then we're really gonna clean your clock.

[Sasha Mamet]

Also, this could be a full lie and I just don't even care.

[Bashi]

Great. We're not liars. We weren't allowed to lie in our house.

[Sufi]

It would be funny if every episode we just told a different lie to a guest.

[Sasha Mamet]

About your. About your.

[Sufi]

Like, about our dude. Yeah.

[Sasha Mamet]

Yeah. You're like, how old were you guys when you were there? Is this like early twenties?

[Bashi]

Right after college? So. Yeah, right after college.

[Sasha Mamet]

Yeah. What's next week, Seth, what's the line next week?

[Sufi]

That we grew up on a commune, maybe in Alaska. Yeah, sure. And we had an inkling that our dad was on the lamb, but we never quite.

[Bashi]

Also, we might have different fathers.

[Sufi]

Yeah, we might have. That's next week.

[Bashi]

We don't know, but that's next week.

[Sufi]

I don't wanna splurge.

[Sasha Mamet]

Okay. All right.

[Sufi]

Hey, I. I just want to say we are going to get to you and your family trips, but I. It's been a long time since I've seen a trailer that made a show look as enjoyable as your show laid looks.

[Sasha Mamet]

Oh, my God.

[Sufi]

It seems like a. I mean, the premise is deeply funny.

[Sasha Mamet]

It's. It's very crazy. It's a real. It's a. I feel like. I feel like sometimes in our industry people are like, what's the hook? And I'm like, what does that word mean? And they. I read the premise of this show and I was like, that's an actual hook.

[Bashi]

That's what.

[Sufi]

Yeah, yeah, that's what that is. Which is basically your friend realizes that everyone she's ever had sex with is dying.

[Sasha Mamet]

Yeah.

[Sufi]

But like, just. But not from, like, a disease.

[Sasha Mamet]

No, no.

[Sufi]

Just in the order she's left with them.

[Sasha Mamet]

Order. She's slept with them in, like, honestly, like, pretty gruesome ways sometimes, too. Yeah, yeah.

[Sufi]

And so it's. And basically then it's you and her having to go and warn everybody that they're next. It's like Final Destination, but also a romantic comedy, and it just looks really fun.

[Sasha Mamet]

Final Destination, but a romantic comedy.

[Sufi]

Yeah, that's a hook.

[Sasha Mamet]

That's the new logline of our show.

[Sufi]

There's so many hooks.

[Sasha Mamet]

There's so many hooks.

[Bashi]

Just keep the one you got.

[Sasha Mamet]

There are hooks everywhere.

[Sufi]

This thing is full of hooks.

[Bashi]

Yeah. Also, my wife's an equestrian, and she was like, oh, horse girl. Horse girl. About you. And then I think you're wearing a horse sweater.

[Sasha Mamet]

I am. You guys, I'm going to the barn right after this.

[Sufi]

Oh, my God, that is the horsiest sweater.

[Sasha Mamet]

Like, could I be any nerdier right now? I don't know.

[Sufi]

Just for those who are not without the visual, there's two horse heads basically framing.

[Sasha Mamet]

More than two.

[Sufi]

Framing a horseshoe. There's horses all over it.

[Sasha Mamet]

It goes all the way around.

[Bashi]

There's fantastic.

[Sasha Mamet]

There are horses everywhere.

[Sufi]

Is the. When you. Is it when you have a such a horse forward sweater, is it because you. It makes you so happy or you just want to, like, let the world know? Hey, if you want to talk horses, I'm here for you.

[Sasha Mamet]

You know, being. I mean, Josh. And I don't know how into this you get with your wife, but I feel like being a horse girl is kind of. It's like an illness or like in a. I mean, or an addiction. It's really an all encompassing thing. So I think sort of like a. Like an animal or an insect that's, like, drawn to shiny things. It's like anything with horses on it. Horse adjacent with the smell of. It's like a magnet. Like, we just can't help but be pulled towards it.

[Sufi]

When did you get the horse bug? How old?

[Sasha Mamet]

Oh, my God. I was so young. I actually was just looking the other day through old photos, searching for a specific one, and I found this photo of me. I'm probably like. I want to say I'm like, two And a half, three.

[Sufi]

Oh, geez.

[Sasha Mamet]

And I'm standing staring at a horse in a pasture, and I am mesmerized. I am like, I'm gone. I was like, well, there it was.

[Bashi]

Yeah.

[Sasha Mamet]

I didn't stand a chance.

[Bashi]

Yeah. I feel like Mackenzie started at like three.

[Sasha Mamet]

Yeah.

[Bashi]

And her parents just put this photo album together for her for her birthday. And the COVID is just like her way too small. I feel like, to be on a horse, but laying on a horse's back just like, you know, chin resting on it. It just looks.

[Sufi]

Do you think your parents clocked what a commitment this was gonna be for them? Because obviously now you are independent of them and you're dealing with your own. The outlay of money that requires to be a horse girl. But, like, do you think parents know exactly what they're getting into when a three year old makes eye contact with a horse?

[Sasha Mamet]

How fucked they are?

[Sufi]

Yeah.

[Sasha Mamet]

Do they know? I think it. I think it depends. I mean, I think if you're like, horse savvy, obviously, yes. I think for the majority of those poor souls, they have no.

[Sufi]

Was there any horse savviness with your. With your family?

[Sasha Mamet]

There was a little bit. So my grandmother, my great grandmother on my mother's side was a horse trainer.

[Sufi]

Okay.

[Sasha Mamet]

And so she knew a lot. And then my grandmother was a rider, but it kind of skipped a generation with my mom. And she tried to get my older sister into it, and she, like. My older sister, like, could give two shits about horses. So I sort of. I was like the one that tagged along, but I was the one that caught the bug. They. They kind of knew, but I don't think they had a full concept. And then my poor husband met me when I was on a horse girl hiatus.

[Sufi]

Oh, no.

[Sasha Mamet]

Because I had moved to New York for girls and I had brought my horse back east, but she was in Vermont at, like, the barn that I learned to ride at, and I wasn't riding at the time. And then a couple years in, you.

[Bashi]

Were like, yeah, it re entered.

[Sasha Mamet]

I may or may not have bought a horse without telling him. Sprung that. And that was a really interesting dinner that night when I came home. And I was like, so who paid.

[Bashi]

For dinner that night?

[Sasha Mamet]

Funny story.

[Bashi]

He comes.

[Sasha Mamet]

Cooked that night. I came home, he made me this beautiful dinner. I was like, I bought a horse.

[Bashi]

Were you married at that point?

[Sasha Mamet]

Yeah, we were fully married. He couldn't even. I mean, he could have, obviously. There's just like a lot of paperwork to get through if he was like, I'M out.

[Sufi]

But then he'd. I think then he would own half a horse.

[Sasha Mamet]

Then he.

[Sufi]

I know he was like, either to stay married and not have to worry about half.

[Sasha Mamet]

Yeah, you really backed me into a corner.

[Bashi]

I own half a horse, and I just don't even put it on the balance sheet. And it's just like, no, that's.

[Sufi]

Do you. Did you be honest?

[Sasha Mamet]

Okay.

[Sufi]

In the years that you didn't have, like, a horse present with you, did you actually pretend like you weren't a horse person? Or. Or did you. Did you, like, leave hints for your husband that this was. This was forthcoming?

[Sasha Mamet]

He like.

[Sufi]

Or is it just something. If you're not a horse person, you don't understand until the horse.

[Sasha Mamet]

I think it's that. I mean, I think also, like, in my mind, it wasn't that this wasn't a part of my life. It was like, logistically speaking, it couldn't be in that moment. But I was like, oh, there will obviously always there will be another horse. There may be even more than one horse. But to him, it just wasn't a react. Like, he's also very analytical. He's like. He's very. He's pretty black and white about things. Like, to him, he's like, but it's such a bad investment. I'm like, no, for sure. It's the stupidest. From a money standpoint, this is dumb. But also, you can't put a price on joy, you know?

[Bashi]

Yeah, that's true. But it is, like, I've seen. I'm around enough of this to know that everyone's, like, buying horses for, let's say, just to make it a round number, like $20,000. And people are always like, but then I'll put work into it, and I'll get a show record on it, and then I'll be able to sell it for, like, 60. And it's like, no, you won't. Like, no, that doesn't happen. And also, you'll become attached to it. And you're like, you're not gonna sell it. And also, however much time you put into it and whatever, like, then, yeah, you got paid 40 grand for the 40 years that you.

[Sufi]

It's like me saying, like, you know, my kids are getting good at math, and once they, you know, once they cross a threshold, I can flip them.

[Sasha Mamet]

Some real sweat equity. Real sweat equity into those children.

[Sufi]

Hey, we're going to take a quick break and hear from some of our sponsors. This episode of Family Trips is brought to you by Nissan.

[Bashi]

Hey, Sufi.

[Sufi]

Yeah.

[Bashi]

Pasci, what's that thing I always say about going big and it never going out of style?

[Sufi]

Oh, I remember. Going big never goes out of style.

[Bashi]

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[Sufi]

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[Bashi]

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[Sufi]

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[Bashi]

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[Sufi]

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[Bashi]

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[Sufi]

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[Bashi]

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[Sufi]

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[Bashi]

Absolutely. I feel like I've had some of the best trips of my life in Airbnbs.

[Sufi]

And, you know, I remember when we got to the last Airbnb that we stayed at with mom and Dad, I walked in the door and you had on a giant dining room table. You had already set up a brand new board game. Now again, we're a board game family. You've done some research and it was one of those games with a million pieces, and I feel like there would never be a place in a hotel room to do this sort of thing, but it was just laid out, ready to go. It felt like a home away from home.

[Bashi]

Yeah, I mean, if I had done that at a hotel, you probably, like, I'd have to lay it out on a bed and then you'd probably come in and just jump on the bed and mess it all up.

[Sufi]

That'd be exactly what I would do.

[Bashi]

Because it would be funny. It would be a jerk move, but it would also be funny.

[Sufi]

I recognize that it's nice when you're reuniting, be it with friends that you used to hang out with or your family that you used to hang out with and warm spaces to go to an Airbnb and have that instant connection that you used to have in places that were not hotels.

[Bashi]

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[Sufi]

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[Bashi]

Yes, Sufi?

[Sufi]

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[Bashi]

I bet.

[Sufi]

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[Bashi]

Yeah.

[Sufi]

And now he will just sit there, do his Legos, look at pictures of him and his siblings. The settings are amazing. Yeah, got it. Flipping basically every 15 seconds. Because he does not want to look at something for a long time.

[Bashi]

Right.

[Sufi]

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[Bashi]

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[Sufi]

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[Bashi]

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[Sasha Mamet]

Here we go.

[Sufi]

All right.

[Bashi]

So you.

[Sufi]

So you mentioned Vermont.

[Sasha Mamet]

Yes.

[Sufi]

And I did not realize you were. You started as a New Englander in your early years. Okay. Whereabouts?

[Sasha Mamet]

Born in Vermont. Randolph, Vermont, which is. Our house was in Cabot, where the cheese comes from.

[Sufi]

Okay.

[Bashi]

Yeah.

[Sasha Mamet]

The creamery was actually like down the road from where we lived and then lived in. I was out of there pretty fast. My dad kept the house. My parents were divorced before I was like cognizant of the world, but my dad kept the house. So still spent some time there. But we all moved to Cambridge, Massachusetts, like pretty pretty soon after I was born. And I lived there till I was.

[Sufi]

5 and then LA, then LA, but.

[Sasha Mamet]

Split my time between LA and this tiny town in Massachusetts on Cape Ann called Annisquam.

[Sufi]

And who was there in Annisquam?

[Sasha Mamet]

My mom and my. I would go with my mom and my sister and my grandmother lived between there and Manhattan.

[Sufi]

Gotcha. So you had a real. It seems like you were a real country city situation.

[Sasha Mamet]

Very. Yeah. Very transient. Very like mishmash mashup situation.

[Sufi]

And your dad, at the time when you were born, your dad was already a successful, well known playwright, correct?

[Sasha Mamet]

When I. Yes.

[Sufi]

Gotcha. So he probably. Vermont was. Were your parents going back and forth to Manhattan then?

[Sasha Mamet]

Yeah, they were in between New York and. Yeah, they were in between New York and Vermont. And then I don't know why Massachusetts came into the picture, but yeah, they. They for some reason settled on Cambridge.

[Sufi]

And so was Vermont then, the place you would vacation from? Cambridge with?

[Sasha Mamet]

My, my dad was in Vermont, my mom was Massachusetts.

[Sufi]

Got it. So you never. So your trips were either with one parent or the other?

[Sasha Mamet]

Oh, oh, yes. Unless murder was on the table. It was one or the other.

[Sufi]

Yeah.

[Sasha Mamet]

Yeah.

[Sufi]

And that is a thing even a very young kid can clock. Right. Like, thank God they're not. We're not doing this as a, as a group.

[Sasha Mamet]

Oh, yeah, no, no. I don't like, have any memories of them even, like standing, literally, when they came to my wedding, I was like, I don't think they've been in the same room since my birth.

[Bashi]

Were they seated close together?

[Sasha Mamet]

No, no.

[Bashi]

Yeah.

[Sasha Mamet]

No, no.

[Bashi]

Do you know, did they have any interaction? Did they both walk you down the aisle?

[Sasha Mamet]

Oh, no. My dad walked me down the aisle. My dad walked me down the aisle, sat in the front row, and then promptly fell asleep.

[Bashi]

Well, was it. Was the ceremony pretty boring?

[Sasha Mamet]

Honestly, no. Jerry Zucker married us. And it was. Fuck our. He also. He had. I was like, of course, Jerry. He had a sparkly pink binder that he, like, whipped out of his. He, like, had it hiding behind him and then whipped it out. And, like, that was what. He had his speech in.

[Sufi]

God, Jerry, how did you end up. How did Jerry Zucker end up marrying you? That's such a nice pull.

[Sasha Mamet]

Katie Zucker, his daughter, was my, like, childhood best friend. And they. Yeah, I basically, like, live. Lived with them all through my high school years, essentially. We were so close. We spent, like, every single day together.

[Sufi]

Did you. Was it a tough ask when you asked him if he would marry you, or did he just jump?

[Sasha Mamet]

No, actually, I told Katie. When I told Katie that Evan and I had gotten engaged, she wrote me back and was like, I just told my dad. He told me not to say this, but he really wants to marry you.

[Sufi]

I was kind of hoping that was it. Like, that's the nicer outcome. Cause that's so loving to offer.

[Sasha Mamet]

It was very, very sweet. It was. Oh, my God, it was so cute. He called both of us, like, he called us together. He called us separately. We both cried talking to him. It was the best. It was very sweet.

[Sufi]

It's so wonderful. Did you. How much older is your sister?

[Sasha Mamet]

Six years older than I am.

[Sufi]

So she must have a far more vivid memory of your parents together.

[Sasha Mamet]

Oh, yeah.

[Sufi]

And was she sort of, like. Was her messaging to you, like, you're not missing much?

[Sasha Mamet]

She was. You know, I didn't get a lot of intel from her in general because her basic vibe towards me was like. I'm trying to think of how to describe it. You know, when you're on hold somewhere and you've been on hold for a really long time and the hold music has, like, started to sort of become one with your brain and yet still make you feel, like, anxious and angry. Like, that was basically what I got from her. I was the hold music in her life.

[Bashi]

Yeah.

[Sasha Mamet]

So she was pretty and she was like, six years is sort of, like, the perfectly wrong distance, because I wasn't. It wasn't far enough apart that I was, like, cute to her, but it wasn't close enough together that we had anything in common. And she was gone, like, by the time I was 12. Like, she was sort of. She was out of the house.

[Sufi]

Yeah, it's not old enough to be nurturing either.

[Sasha Mamet]

Exactly. Yeah, totally.

[Sufi]

I feel like a 9 year old could really sort of step in and almost be, you know, for sure.

[Sasha Mamet]

Yeah.

[Sufi]

Secondary parental figure.

[Sasha Mamet]

Yeah. Like, I. I wasn't like a doll to her. It wasn't like something cute she could play with. She was just. It was. Yeah. So it was like total. She just basically wanted to fully pretend I didn't exist. Or she. She used to. The only time she would really engage with me, with me was when she would sit on me, like, put her knees on my shoulders and then fully sit on me and tickle me until I wet myself.

[Bashi]

Yeah, Seth used to. Used to do that. I used to scream that I was gonna pee when he would be holding me down and tickling me. It's a good move from an older sibling. So kind of mean.

[Sufi]

Then it seems like your grandmother on your mom's side was a big part of your life.

[Sasha Mamet]

Yeah, she was a pretty big part of my life.

[Sufi]

And did you. Did you ever go on trips with your mom and your sibling, your sister? Did the three of you ever go places?

[Sasha Mamet]

Yeah, we would go on trips. We would go on trips sometimes, like spring break, spring break vibes. We did spend a lot of time. Like, most of our time off was spent in this tiny town in Massachusetts. But we went. She took me to us. To Europe when I was younger.

[Sufi]

How old were you?

[Sasha Mamet]

Seven.

[Sufi]

Is that. Do you feel like that is too young to appreciate Europe or did you have a great time?

[Sasha Mamet]

No, I actually had a. I actually had a great time. Where'd you go? We went to France and Italy and London.

[Sufi]

That's great.

[Sasha Mamet]

Cool. Yeah, we were Paris, Venice, Florence. I feel like we went somewhere else in Italy that I can't remember. And then we went to London, although I have, like a pretty traumatic. So we did the Tower of London tour. And we went during the summer. It was probably like July or August. I remember it being so hot, like just that, you know that time of summer in Europe where it's like you feel like you can't breathe. You feel like you're actually being baked inside of an oven. It was like that. And I was really bored on this Tower of London tour. And we were like the Beefeaters, like, taking you around, showing you all the different areas, giving you stories. And we were outside looking at some, like, tower. I guess they were telling some story about it.

[Sufi]

Well, the tour definitely got through to you because that's an incredible recall.

[Sasha Mamet]

Thank you so much. And I was hanging off of this fence just Sort of like, I don't know, spacing out. And I stuck my knees into this fence so that I could hang off of it. We were probably there for like 10 minutes and it was so hot that my knees swelled and I couldn't get them out. And they had to call the fire department.

[Sufi]

No.

[Sasha Mamet]

And this huge crowd formed around me and. And the fire department starts talking to my mom and this beef eater and they start saying, we're going to have to cut her out. And in my 7 year old brain, I obviously thought they meant like, cut my legs off.

[Bashi]

Yeah.

[Sasha Mamet]

So I'm stuck at this fence, like hysterically screaming, please don't take my legs. And they're like trying to figure out the best way to mitigate. They're like, well, obviously, like, we don't want to have to rebuild the fence. So, like, how do we do this? And then this like thousand year old janitor walks by and looks at the whole scene and rolls his eyes and pulls out like a big thing of dish soap and he just covers me in dish soap and like pops me out.

[Sufi]

Was it. Did people cheer when you popped out?

[Sasha Mamet]

They cheered so loud and I wanted to crawl inside of myself and die.

[Sufi]

Yeah.

[Bashi]

I mean, was there more of the tour or did you. Was it like we're calling it? We. We're gonna take the quick.

[Sasha Mamet]

That's a great question. I don't remember because I don't remember if what I recall from the tour was before or after that. So I have like very. Because it's. Have you guys ever done that tour?

[Bashi]

I don't know.

[Sasha Mamet]

It's very upsetting.

[Sufi]

Yeah.

[Bashi]

Okay.

[Sasha Mamet]

They're like, here are all the ways that we used to viciously torture people by like putting them on a thing and like pulling them apart slowly.

[Sufi]

Like.

[Sasha Mamet]

Yeah, it's very hard. But I don't remember if that was from before or after.

[Sufi]

Do you think that moving forward in time, they added to the tour that fence where the American girl got stuck and old Nigel had to soap her out. This is the famous fence.

[Sasha Mamet]

This is the fence. Honestly, maybe. But I do feel like they probably would have amended it to make it more like she died here.

[Sufi]

She died here.

[Sasha Mamet]

Yeah, she died here. And now her ghost lives on.

[Sufi]

This is very interesting to me because I know for a fact. So I think my oldest would be devastated if that happened. And the same thing. He would want to crawl in a box. And yet you have. And I sometimes make the mistake of thinking that he therefore would never want to be on stage. But like, obviously you are A performer. And yet you did not like the moment where everybody applauded just because you felt so much shame about your swollen legs.

[Sasha Mamet]

Oh, that's interesting. Okay. But I think the differentiation is like, I. I've had to present awards before.

[Sufi]

Yeah.

[Sasha Mamet]

And I will like almost pass out from fear and nervousness and discomfort.

[Sufi]

So it's a lack of control. Because you didn't have any control.

[Sasha Mamet]

And I, like, I'll go into like a fugue state. Like, I come off stage afterwards and I'm like, what happened? But if I have to go on stage, like for a play, there are some nerves, but like, not nothing that touches that. And I think it's because I'm not myself. So it doesn't feel. I don't know, it feels like there's a barrier.

[Sufi]

Yeah. You were very yourself in that moment. Now, I would imagine a sibling, if you're seven, a 13 year old older sister, I mean, must have no support, you guys.

[Sasha Mamet]

This was the same year I wrote an essay about this for the book that's gonna be on the phone. This was the same year that she told me she and her best. Her best friend were having a sleepover. And I'm like, I should have known. I should have known because she did this thing she had never done in her life, which was like, invite me into her room. So, like, that should have been the first. Tell that something. Something.

[Sufi]

Oh, you mean like the act of kindness should have been arrested.

[Sasha Mamet]

The act of like, do you want to come into my room? They invited me into her room and proceeded to tell me that when you turn 13, you're gifted a penis. And I was like, what? What are you guys talking about? And then they started to just like lay out the whole ceremony and. Yeah. So when I. Oh, wow. She fucking with me when she was 13 was like her favorite thing to do. So after that happened, I didn't let that down for a very, very long time.

[Sufi]

Yeah.

[Bashi]

Would you like grow a penis or would you be given a. Like on its own?

[Sasha Mamet]

Yeah, it was like a. It was like a special box that it came in.

[Sufi]

Gotcha.

[Bashi]

Gotcha.

[Sufi]

And hopefully you got wise to the fact this was a joke before your 13th birthday.

[Sasha Mamet]

Yes.

[Sufi]

Well, I was scared so that it wasn't massive.

[Bashi]

You would have been terrified leading up to it.

[Sasha Mamet]

I would have been very scared after I asked her and her best friend to. Cause I was like, I don't believe you. And they were like, we can't show you ours. We're already in so much trouble for telling you. She was like, well, why don't you ask Mom? And I was like, obviously. And then I was like, mom, can you show me your penis? And she was like, what is that? What's going on?

[Sufi]

I will at that point say, perfectly played by your sister and her friend.

[Bashi]

If it was all just a lead up to get you to ask your mom to show me.

[Sasha Mamet]

Could not have been. I mean, she really. She was a master manipulator. I have to give it to her.

[Sufi]

That's real good.

[Sasha Mamet]

Yeah.

[Sufi]

So when you guys would go on vacation to a small town in Massachusetts, how would you spend your time there?

[Sasha Mamet]

In the summers, there was a yacht club that all the kids went to camp at. The town is like this big. Like, literally, you have to drive out the way that you came in. It's like I always say, like, that side of my family is sort of like WASPy. I say, like, the two things I got from them is I ride horses and I like gin, but other than that, like, like, nothing. Nothing passed down. So, like, I would go to this camp where you had to sail and play tennis. And I could not have been worse at both of those things if I tried. Like, I just. Yeah, so that was like, I can't even hit the tennis ball with a racket. Yeah, it's pretty. It's pretty sad, but. But I also, like, got to spend my summers not wearing shoes and swimming in the ocean all day. And I would ride horses and drink.

[Bashi]

A ton of gin.

[Sasha Mamet]

And drink so much gin.

[Sufi]

It is funny. We've given our kids, the boys, at least a shot at tennis. And I think even though they haven't done it long, I'm like, it's not gonna happen. Like, you could just tell. Then you also watch other 8 year olds and you think, well, they'll never catch up.

[Sasha Mamet]

It's crazy. There are some kids. Our neighbor's kid is one of those children that is just like, gifted when it comes to sports. Yeah. His dad is Israeli and he's like, we don't have baseball and, like, it's not a thing.

[Sufi]

Right.

[Sasha Mamet]

And we found this out because his son was literally. We were walking the dog and Evan used to play baseball growing up. And he was like, trying to throw the baseball to him and it was not going well. And Evan was like, do you want me to throw with him? And this kid throws him. And literally Evan's arm, like, ricocheted back and he was like, what is going on? Where did you learn how to throw like that? And the kid goes, I watched some YouTube videos.

[Sufi]

Yeah.

[Sasha Mamet]

And you're like. He'd been. He. And he was like, yeah, I don't know. I got curious a couple weeks ago. I've been watching videos for a couple weeks, and it was, like, the third time he'd ever, like, thrown the ball, and he could just. And then Evan was like, okay, try this. Try this. I don't know anything about baseball. This, throw this. Whatever you call them. What do you call different pitches?

[Sufi]

Pitches.

[Bashi]

Pitches, yeah.

[Sasha Mamet]

Yeah, sure. And he, like, knew how to do them. It was crazy.

[Sufi]

And you're like, well, I think, with all Due respect to YouTube, I think my kids could watch hundreds of hours of pitching tutorials and would not be able to do what this kid's doing.

[Sasha Mamet]

I mean, I don't know. Some. Some of them just know.

[Bashi]

When I was like. I want to say maybe 14, I thought I was getting okay at tennis, and I, like, entered a tournament that anyone could enter, and I got matched against the number one tennis player in New Hampshire, where we're from. And at 14, kids are good.

[Sufi]

Yeah.

[Bashi]

And I got just. I mean, it was six love. Six love. And I was like, yeah, this sport's not for me. I mean, maybe had I played against someone else who was not the top tier, sure, I would have been like, oh, I could, like, work my way up here. But I got blown out so hard that I was like, I'm never playing any competitive tennis in my life.

[Sufi]

Too late. It's too late. You lost it.

[Sasha Mamet]

Yes.

[Sufi]

You lost it.

[Sasha Mamet]

That's it.

[Sufi]

Did you. Was that the only Europe trip you took, or did you guys go back again?

[Sasha Mamet]

No.

[Sufi]

Do you feel like it was framed as a success in your family history, that trip you took?

[Sasha Mamet]

I think so. Yeah. I think it was. There was definitely, like, some drama that went down. There was something that happened in Venice that I am trying to remember. I think we got, like, locked out of her. Like, I got locked out of her room. Oh, that's what it was. My mom had taken my sister to a museum, and the. And I had. I had been left behind, and somehow I got locked out of our room. And so it was like wandering the hotel in Venice by myself. But it all ended out okay.

[Bashi]

That's fun. I mean, if you're not scared, that could be really fun. Yeah.

[Sufi]

I do feel like it's 50. 50. If you see a kid in a hallway in Venice, that it's a ghost. So I do think that's why they, in general, try to. They prefer it doesn't happen.

[Sasha Mamet]

They prefer. Yeah, for sure. That's that's accurate. I loved it. I mean, clearly I have, like, very vivid memories of.

[Bashi]

Did you go on, like, gondola rides?

[Sasha Mamet]

I think we went on a gondola ride. Florence was my favorite. I went back for a summer when I was 16 and I lived in Florence for a summer. I remember none of the Italian and 0 of the art history that I supposedly learned there, but I had a great time.

[Sufi]

You spent a whole. How long were you there?

[Sasha Mamet]

I was there for like three months.

[Sufi]

And by the end of that three months. How good was your Italian?

[Sasha Mamet]

Pretty bad.

[Sufi]

Okay.

[Sasha Mamet]

Pretty terrible.

[Bashi]

Did you. Did you smoke when you were there? Did you.

[Sasha Mamet]

I feel like I definitely tried. I have tried to be a smoker, like pretty much my whole life because it's gotten way better as I've gotten older. But I used to have such bad social anxiety and all I wanted was to be able to hide behind a cigarette and I just couldn't do it because I was the loser. That was like just dying in a corner. Yeah. So that was a bit of a failed mission, but I pretended for sure.

[Sufi]

Yeah.

[Bashi]

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[Bashi]

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[Bashi]

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[Bashi]

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[Sufi]

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[Bashi]

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[Bashi]

Did you and your mother and sister, would you take any stateside vacations or is it just sort of like staycations in Massachusetts?

[Sasha Mamet]

And then I'm trying to think if we went. My mom worked on location a lot, so we would like go with her.

[Sufi]

What did your mom, what does your mom do on location?

[Sasha Mamet]

My mom was an actor.

[Sufi]

Okay.

[Sasha Mamet]

She doesn't do it anymore, but yeah, she was an actor when I was young. So we traveled with her. She filmed in Utah a lot. So we, we went there for A while. Canada, Mexico. We went to Hawaii a couple of times on spring breaks when I was younger, and without fail, I would get a really terrible ear infection, like, day three, and then basically have to just, like, stay in the hotel room. I once got. I was probably. I want to say I was, like, 6. I got food poisoning and strep throat together.

[Sufi]

Oh, wow, that's good.

[Sasha Mamet]

That was a banger. That was a banger of a vacay.

[Sufi]

Was your mom good when you got sick?

[Sasha Mamet]

Interesting question.

[Sufi]

I feel like some parents are really good at it. I feel like our mom was really good at it.

[Bashi]

Yeah.

[Sasha Mamet]

Like, define what. What do you. What. What does that mean to you?

[Bashi]

I think it would be like, you know, tucking you in on the. On the couch and maybe running down to Blockbuster to get videos for you and making you soup.

[Sufi]

Yeah.

[Sasha Mamet]

RIP Blockbuster.

[Sufi]

Rip. That's so vintage.

[Sasha Mamet]

It's so. I remember every Friday night going to the Blockbuster in Pacific Palisades. Major rip. And it was like, obviously, the actual trip itself served a purpose of, like, let's go get a cute movie to watch during our slumber party. But it was also, like, the place to be.

[Sufi]

Yeah.

[Sasha Mamet]

Like, you were like, oh, my God, Morgan, what are you doing here? Also looking for a movie. Hi. And, like, just perusing the Twizzler aisle, being, like.

[Bashi]

I was gonna say. Yeah.

[Sasha Mamet]

What candy are you getting?

[Bashi]

Yeah.

[Sasha Mamet]

Oh, man. Wow.

[Sufi]

Yeah.

[Sasha Mamet]

Like, what were you gonna wear to Blockbuster on Friday night? Because obviously you were gonna see the cute boy.

[Sufi]

I can remember. I have a vivid memory of sort of standing about to get back into my car after I'd had, like, the best conversation I had with a hot girl in our high school in the Blockbuster parking lot. And it was never. It was not. Nothing was additive. It was not the beginning of anything. It was fully the end of it. But I just remember thinking, that was really great. Here I am under the neon box.

[Sasha Mamet]

I think my memory has stayed.

[Sufi]

Yeah. And I will not say her name. I will not deign to say her name. But Josh knows it. Josh knows it.

[Bashi]

I will. If he says it.

[Sufi]

Yeah.

[Bashi]

If she's as hot as he says she was, then, yeah, I'll know who she is. Also, our Blockbuster was right next door to a TCBY.

[Sasha Mamet]

Oh, my God.

[Bashi]

Yeah. It was the 90s in a nutshell, I guess.

[Sasha Mamet]

What a double down. Ours was right across the street from a Panda Express. I'm trying to think what was next door to it. Oh, my God. I can see it so perfectly. We did not have a TCBY in the Palisades. You had to go to Santa Monica for that?

[Sufi]

We, you know, so we grew up in New Hampshire. My parents. Our parents still live in the house we grew up in. And the first time I brought my wife, Alexi, to New Hampshire, I don't blame her. I think she was picturing sort of Robert Frosty New Hampshire, like, tiny little town, you know, covered bridge. And it's just. It's beautiful, but it is a. It's suburban America. Wouldn't you agree, Josh?

[Bashi]

Yeah, it's like. I mean, I feel like it was maybe 30,000 people. Maybe it's 40 now, something like that. But it's.

[Sufi]

But we got there, and my dad said they just opened this cute new frozen yogurt place. And my wife just sort of pictured like, this little Main street, and it was like a strip ball tcby. And I remember her saying, what? Who gets their first TC by in 2009? She's like. And I was like, my dad did oversell. He was like, yeah, it's great. They got all these toppings. And I'm like, you're just explaining. You're explaining a frozen Yorick place that's been around for 25 years.

[Sasha Mamet]

That's so amazing.

[Sufi]

She was so bomb.

[Sasha Mamet]

Oh, my God. Where is she from?

[Sufi]

She's. Well, so she's from New Mexico, between Albuquerque and Santa Fe. And she is from exactly what you picture when you picture New Mexico. So there's an incredible authenticity to it. Whereas I feel like our New Hampshire is not quite what you.

[Bashi]

Our little downtown in Bedford, New Hampshire, like, the little. Like, where the town hall is and the fire department and the library, like, that feels like those streets around there feel like what you would imagine. But then you dip onto the one on one highway, which is just one lane each way. But it becomes a little bit. Yeah, it's not as.

[Sufi]

There's no, like, essential old candy shop.

[Sasha Mamet]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sufi]

Right. Yes. Did you. What about vacations with your dad?

[Sasha Mamet]

So I didn't really. When we moved to la, my dad was still in Massachusetts. He didn't move to LA till I was 14. And we didn't really. I moved in with him when I was 17, but I hadn't really vacationed with him before that. But then the vacations came, hot and heavy and deeply, deeply memorable. So my father is like. If he is such a creature of habit, like, that doesn't even. That's like tip of the iceberg, basically. Like, he doesn't really like to leave his living room if he doesn't have to he just wants everything the way he wants it. And so vacation is sort of just his personal version of hell, because it's obviously like, nothing is the way that you want it because it's different because you're going somewhere else. So we. My stepmom essentially, like, forced him to go on vacation. So also, like, forced fun is never good. And the first year we went to Kauai, we rented a house near Half Moon Bay. And, like, so lovely. Like, she planned it so beautifully. And he was just like. Before we even got on the plane, he was miserable. So just really started out in a. Not a great frame of mind. But then, of course, we got there and they were like, we're about to have a historic hurricane. So didn't go great. We lost power for a couple of days. The bridge that we took to get to the main town got flooded. Um, so just, like, not exactly your ideal vacation. But he really doubled down on his misery and just wandered around. My dad. I think we've since weaned it out of him. But there was a period of time where he was, like, really wedded to his swim attire, being a red Speedo that was, like, this big, and he was. He was rocking this hard on that vacation. And he was wandering around in his red Speedo, and just like. I don't remember what alcohol. I think it was vodka. I'm pretty sure it was vodka. It was just like, red Speedo handle of vodka. Just basically blackout drunk the entire time. And my favorite part. This is like, one of my greatest regrets. We had gone into town one day to get breakfast. He did not eat breakfast. He just continued to drink from this handle of vodka. And. And then we were. We were like, gathering our shit to get back in the car to drive back to our rental, and no one could find him. And it was like. It was sort of like this little shopping center. There was, like, the grocery store and a couple of restaurants, and I was like, I'll go find him. And there was a tattoo parlor above the grocery store. And he had wandered into the tattoo parlor, like, drunk off of his face and was, like, about to get a tattoo of a fucking gecko wrapping all the way around his arm. And he was so excited about it. And I stopped this from happening. And to this day, I'm like, oh, my God, that was the dumbest thing I've ever done. Cause if I hadn't, he would have, like, a huge gecko tattoo.

[Bashi]

Was he sitting in the chair in a red Speedo holding a bottle of vodka?

[Sasha Mamet]

He was sitting in the chair. The bottle of vodka was next to him. He had. I. I think he had put on shorts and a shirt. But the red Speedo was definitely.

[Sufi]

I will say, if I saw a guy in that era in a red Speedo handle of vodka, I'd be like, this is a sleeper agent who has decided they've had enough of it. This is a Russian sleeper agent who's like, I can't keep it up the charade anymore.

[Sasha Mamet]

That was his vibe. That was his vibe for sure.

[Sufi]

Two things. One, every tattoo parlor should have a breathalyzer 1,000%. It should not be allowed to get a wraparound gecko in that state. Two, any appreciation from him over the years that you saved him from the get go?

[Sasha Mamet]

No, I think he's bummed I didn't let him get it. I think we're both really sad. Like, I think we both just feel really sad.

[Sufi]

Yeah.

[Bashi]

Maybe the next, like, landmark birthday he has. Yeah, you should take him to a parlor, get it done.

[Sufi]

Was that a trip? Was. Who else was on that trip?

[Sasha Mamet]

My. So it was me, my dad, my stepmom, my younger half sister, my younger half brother. Actually, my older sister was on that trip. So we were there over, like, Christmas break. And this was the weirdest trip of my life. All of the hobbits from Lord of the Rings were also there. And we found out that. I don't know if they still do this, but at the time, like, every year they would go on. One of them would, like, pick a place and they would all go together and vacation at that place. So we kept running into them, which just sort of. I was like, is it. Am I. Am I on acid? Like, is this just like a trip gone wrong? Like a. Like, not like a trip trip? And so we kept running into them, and we were there over New Year's and my older sister. So I was 17. So how old does that make her?

[Sufi]

23.

[Sasha Mamet]

I can't. Thank you. I can't do math. We were there over New Year's. She took me out on New Year's Eve and proceeded to leave me and then, like, go off with some local dude. And I was left with this group of people in this house where the basement was, like, an illegal gambling.

[Bashi]

Wow.

[Sasha Mamet]

Like, casino. It was like a homemade casino. I was just left with all these local dudes who were like. I was like, whose house is this? And they were like, oh, it's Cynthia's house. But we're watching it because she's in jail right now. And my dad didn't know where we were. Oh, my God. And she came back at like 6 the next morning. And I was just, like, left with these dudes, like, hanging out while they all played just like homemade fucking blackjack.

[Bashi]

God. Were the hobbits the hobbits we know or was it like the 40 Hobbit extras from the Shire?

[Sufi]

It was the four main.

[Sasha Mamet]

The four main characters. It was the hobbits, you know.

[Sufi]

Okay.

[Bashi]

I just wondered if it was like a group of, like.

[Sasha Mamet]

It was the OG Hobbits. So the whole reason we went to, like, the reason we went to Kauai is my. My dad and my stepmom used to take yoga classes with this woman who, like, lives between Kauai and Venice, California. And she has an avocado.

[Sufi]

Not right between.

[Bashi]

Because that's an ocean.

[Sasha Mamet]

Yeah, not in the osu. She's erected her own island in the middle of the ocean.

[Bashi]

She must be good at yoga.

[Sasha Mamet]

She's very good at yoga. So she has an avocado farm there. And she, like, does yoga classes on her avocado farm where we kept running into the hobbits. And also, weirdly, Jason Mraz. And I was just like, what is this mashup of people happening on this trip on this island? But.

[Sufi]

And you were. You tried to call them by their actual human names. I did, but they were like, please no, just refer to us as the hobbits.

[Sasha Mamet]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Sufi]

You're like, hi, Elijah. It's like, no, no, please, no, no. Collectively, the hobbits.

[Sasha Mamet]

Like, on this specific trip, that is what we would like to be referred to as.

[Sufi]

What was your distance with your half siblings?

[Sasha Mamet]

So my younger half sister is six years younger. And then my younger half brother, perfect split. Perfect split. Perfect split.

[Sufi]

And did you use the penis story on her when you turned 13?

[Sasha Mamet]

I didn't.

[Sufi]

Yeah, you're a better person.

[Sasha Mamet]

I'm just not. I'm just not a bad person. You know, I'm also a terrible liar. Terrible.

[Sufi]

Yeah.

[Sasha Mamet]

Like, you will not someone the other day. I also think that's a real misconception about actors, is like, that we're also good liars. Some of the other day was like, oh, you have to pretend like I didn't tell you that thing. Act surprised. And I was like, I can't. What do you. I can't do that. And they're like, of course you can. I was like, no, no. So then this person tells me this thing I'm not supposed to know. And I was like, no way. Stop it.

[Sufi]

That's Crazy. I think it is a misconception. I think a lot of actors are terrible liars.

[Sasha Mamet]

I'm a horrible liar. Oh, and my husband knows immediately. I try and lie to him. Like, I haven't even finished the sentence. He's like, don't fucking lie about that.

[Sufi]

I think that's good. I think that's healthy in a relationship.

[Sasha Mamet]

What's this charge? Oh, I don't. That's so. I don't know. What is it called again?

[Sufi]

Horse.

[Bashi]

One horse.

[Sasha Mamet]

Horse or horse who's a very.

[Sufi]

Discharge One horse.

[Sasha Mamet]

That was. I think our credit card has been stolen.

[Sufi]

This was absolutely delightful. I mean, genuinely, I love every time you're on the show, but it has been so wonderful to spend this extended amount of time with you.

[Sasha Mamet]

Oh, my goodness, you guys, what a joy.

[Bashi]

Just delightful.

[Sasha Mamet]

I also. My only request is I want to see that photo.

[Bashi]

Oh, yeah.

[Sufi]

Oh, yeah, we'll get it. We'll get it in the show notes. We'll get it over to you.

[Sasha Mamet]

I would like to see that photo.

[Sufi]

Josh would like people to see it. He has. I mean, I think, yeah, he looks young and hot, and it's a good thing to get out there.

[Bashi]

Although the guy that owned the club warehouse, Iran, he always was like, why you stick your belly out when you're on a catwalk? So apparently I was always pushing my. Like, I just.

[Sasha Mamet]

You're, like, leading with your pelvis.

[Bashi]

I think I was leading with my pelvis in a bad way. I think you can lead with your pelvis and also pull your belly in. I never had, like, a big belly, but it was. It was clearly something that he was like, stop doing that.

[Sasha Mamet]

So, like, that and tennis were just.

[Sufi]

Like, just two things that didn't happen for him. And then everything else is crushing everything.

[Bashi]

Else is happening with those two.

[Sufi]

All right, Josh now is going to ask her a speed round question. Sasha.

[Sasha Mamet]

Oh, my God.

[Bashi]

Okay, you can only pick one of these. Is your ideal vacation relaxing, adventurous, or educational?

[Sasha Mamet]

Relaxing.

[Bashi]

What is your favorite means of transportation?

[Sasha Mamet]

Train.

[Sufi]

Great.

[Bashi]

If you could take a vacation with any family, alive or dead, real or fictional, other than your own family, what family would you like to take a family vacation with?

[Sasha Mamet]

Oh, my God. What a hard question.

[Bashi]

Yeah, we actually just talked about how this is a hard question.

[Sasha Mamet]

That's such a hard question. Now I'm, like, just flipping through every book I've ever read. I don't know. Can my answer just be. Not mine.

[Sufi]

Yeah. What about the Zuckers? It feels like, oh, I actually.

[Sasha Mamet]

I have taken many vacations with The Zuckers. And it's joyous. That's a great. That's a great call.

[Sufi]

I mean, I'm a little jealous of it as well.

[Sasha Mamet]

So I. I honestly, it might be.

[Sufi]

My answer based on how nicely you're speaking about that.

[Sasha Mamet]

If you called up Jerry, he would probably be like, come along.

[Sufi]

Yeah.

[Sasha Mamet]

Janet for sure would say, yes, definitely.

[Sufi]

I think your dad's not gonna get a lot of, like. I think anybody listens to this isn't gonna be like, oh, that's who I wanna go on a vacation with.

[Sasha Mamet]

No. I don't know. Unless their first answer was adventurous, in which case maybe.

[Bashi]

Oh, right.

[Sufi]

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right.

[Bashi]

If you had to be stranded on a desert island with one member of your family, who would it be?

[Sasha Mamet]

Does my husband count?

[Sufi]

Yes.

[Sasha Mamet]

Yeah.

[Sufi]

That's good. Do you have a very. The speed at which you got to. That is very sweet.

[Bashi]

Would you. You're from Randolph, Vermont, but do you consider it your hometown?

[Sasha Mamet]

No.

[Bashi]

What's your hometown?

[Sasha Mamet]

Probably la.

[Bashi]

La.

[Sufi]

Do you.

[Bashi]

Would you recommend LA as a vacation destination?

[Sasha Mamet]

I don't think I would, but I also feel like. I think it's a tricky place to do right as a vacation, and I think. I think it's very easy to go very wrong there.

[Bashi]

Yeah. I think people. People think it's smaller than it is.

[Sasha Mamet]

I think that's correct.

[Bashi]

And they make plans to do things, and then they spend so much time in cars, and it's like, no, just like, sort of keep it close, and then you can enjoy yourself a lot more.

[Sasha Mamet]

I think a woman from my barn recently went for the first time with her boyfriend. And I was like, send me your itinerary. And she did. And there were, like, every day there was like, five things in, like, totally. And I was like, no, no, we gotta rework this whole thing. You're gonna have a terrible time. And I think. Yeah, I think that's sort of like, the biggest pitfall.

[Bashi]

Yeah. Agreed. Seth has our final questions.

[Sufi]

Have you been to the Grand Canyon?

[Sasha Mamet]

I have.

[Sufi]

Was it worth it?

[Sasha Mamet]

Yes.

[Sufi]

Did you do horse stuff?

[Sasha Mamet]

I. I wrote. Did the mule ride. I really want to do the trek. You can do a trek on mules down into the center of the canyon, which I want to do at some point.

[Sufi]

I kind of want that for you. I think it's. I think it's designed for you to enjoy, I think, so I celebrate that you enjoyed it. I still don't think I would, but I really kind of was hoping you'd gone, because I feel like, have you not been.

[Bashi]

You went, Seth.

[Sufi]

I went. Sorry. I went and looked in it with Josh last year.

[Bashi]

Yeah. We had our fantasy football draft on the rim of the Grand Canyon. And Seth was.

[Sasha Mamet]

Oh, low key.

[Sufi]

Well, my friends did it to burn me because we're like the hobbits. We pick a different place every year. And because I'd always kind of crapped on the Grand Canyon, that's where they made me do it this year.

[Sasha Mamet]

And you really didn't think that it was going to be.

[Sufi]

It was spectacular. It was spectacular.

[Bashi]

Yeah. There you go.

[Sufi]

Yeah.

[Bashi]

Yeah.

[Sufi]

But, like, if I wasn't doing a second thing, like, if I also didn't get my fantasy football draft done, we.

[Sasha Mamet]

Didn'T go for the express. Like, we didn't go just to the Grand Canyon. We were on a long road trip cross country, and it was one of our stops.

[Sufi]

That's great.

[Sasha Mamet]

So that's probably also. It wasn't like I flew there just for that. It was like part of a much longer trip.

[Bashi]

But if you could go and do this, like, trek down and spend a little time and have that be your thing, you wouldn't be like, oh, I needed something else from that vacation. You don't anticipate.

[Sasha Mamet]

No, I think I would be happy with just that.

[Sufi]

I'll just reiterate that. I'm very excited to see laid. It's on Peacock. It looks super funny. I like seeing you on camera. I like seeing you on zoom, and I like seeing you in person. This has just been wonderful.

[Sasha Mamet]

This has been such a joy. Thank you so much.

[Bashi]

Thank you so much.

[Sasha Mamet]

You had a good hang?

[Bashi]

Yeah, great hang. Thanks. Have a great day. Have fun out of the barn.

[Sufi]

Bye.

[Sasha Mamet]

Okay, thanks.

[Bashi]

Yeah.

[Narrator]

Looking back at family trips, there's something she'd redo. She wouldn't try to stop her dad from getting a tattoo.

[Sasha Mamet]

And.

[Narrator]

And maybe wouldn't risk divorce by secretly buying a horse. But when you grew up a horse girl ain't nothing you can do.

[Sasha Mamet]

On.

[Narrator]

A trip to Europe. Tower of London tour. So hot out and that thing was long. And Sasha, she got bored. Yeah. Perhaps from lack of common sense. She stuck her legs right through a fence. Swelled up, she couldn't get them out. Janitor had the cure. You gotta lather those knees up, Lather those knees up. Use dumped yourself for the grease. Just gotta lather those knees up? Lather those knees up. Cause it'll help with the squeeze? You gotta lather those knees up. And she will slip out with ease. Somebody lather those knees up. And then the fence will release Just lather those me knees up. Somebody lather those knees up. Just lather those knees up. You don't cut off your legs.

[Sufi]

This episode of Family Trips is brought to you by Nissan. Hey, Pashi.

[Bashi]

Yes, Ufi.

[Sufi]

Let's talk about some things that never go out of style.

[Bashi]

Ooh, I love this game. Like pasta, bomber jackets, high top shoes.

[Sufi]

Jean jackets, baseball hats. You know what else never goes out of style?

[Bashi]

What's that?

[Sufi]

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[Bashi]

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[Sufi]

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