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Lauren Sherman
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Jason Stewart
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- [02:00]
Lauren Sherman
Hello and welcome to Fashion People. I'm Lauren Sherman, writer of Puck's Fashion and Beauty Memo line sheet, and today with me on the show is Jason Stewart, host of How Long Gone, world famous DJ and husband of one of the world's best fashion stylists. We're chatting fashion in the Midwest, Laura Piana's labor issue, Ty Haney's return to OV Burger, Burberry's revival, Keds, and so much more. Happy Tuesday everyone. I'm in Chicago visiting family and friends. I spent Sunday afternoon digging into my mother in law's magazine collection and I'm very careful. We only take a couple home every time we visit because I don't like collecting crap, but these magazines are gems they're not crap. I got a Harper's Bazaar from 94, a Vogue from 92 and a Vanity Fair from 94. I wish that she had more bazaars, but apparently my mother in law was a Vogue reader. Not really any Hearst. I found one Cosmo, but it's all Arc Digest, Vogue, all Akande greats. And also the only annoying thing about that is that she pretty much has every single American vote from 88 to 2000. Except for November 88. So Anna Wintour's first issue anyway. Maybe she sold it on ebay, I don't know. This week, online sheet. I ripped a page from my reporter's notebook to address everything. Everyone is talking about this Laura Piana situation. The future of caring and Gucci after Luca de Mayo's arrival in a month, Ty Haney's return to Ovaries. Jason and I are going to talk about some of this stuff, but you get the real reporting in line sheet. So it's a fun one. Check it out. And also today, Sarah Shapiro has a great conversation with Laaleen CEO Molly Howard. I'm a big fan. She's really smart. And our beauty guru Rachel Strugatz will also be back later this week with her agenda setting coverage. So let's get going with Jason. Jason Stewart, welcome to Fashion People.
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Chris Black
Welcome. Hi, how are you, Lauren? Great to be here.
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Lauren Sherman
I'm very well. You're the third in your family unit to be on this podcast?
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Chris Black
My family unit being my wife and my business partner, yes. Okay.
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Lauren Sherman
The only person left is Chris's wife, who I have a feeling will never be on this podcast or any podcast.
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Chris Black
But I don't know. You never. She's welcome.
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Lauren Sherman
She's welcome. How's it going?
- [04:43]
Chris Black
Going great. Just riding high in Chicago. You're still here, right?
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Lauren Sherman
I am still here. We're leaving tomorrow morning. When do you. Are you all going back to LA or not?
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Chris Black
I go to Washington D.C. on Wednesday. Chris and I are gonna go have dinner at Mineta Tavern there. Check out one of Keith's properties on the Hill, and then we're gonna do a little photo shoot. We just did an interview for the observer. And then we have a show on Thursday in D.C. and then a show in Toronto the following day and then head back to la.
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Lauren Sherman
So you're on a mini tour. How many times of year do you guys do these podcast tours?
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Chris Black
We usually do two. We do like kind of smaller secondary cities in the summertime. We'll go over to Europe and do Copenhagen and London, which we're going to do this trip and then during the colder months, we'll do our LA and New York shows and then hopefully Australia as well.
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Lauren Sherman
Do you do these to make more money or is it one of those things where, like E Commerce, when they open a store in a town, their E Commerce sales go up. Does it also increased awareness for the podcast?
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Chris Black
Yeah, I mean, it does make some money, but the way that Chris and I travel are, you know, the money going in goes out quickly. You know, as I speak to you.
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Lauren Sherman
For a while, you both are very tall and you can't. Yeah, you can't. You have to basically be in business class or you would die. Right?
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Chris Black
I mean, you know, I was. I was sitting in first class yesterday on the plane over here, but it was a small plane from Minnesota to Chicago, so I had some of the worst legroom I've ever had in my entire life sitting in seat 1A, just because it was a small plane with the bulkhead. But, I mean, I've been on hundreds and hundreds of flights in my life. Most of them are in coach, so I've learned to adapt my body and pretzel it up thanks to my mega reformer classes.
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Lauren Sherman
Did you do any workouts here in Chicago while you were here?
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Chris Black
Yeah, other than the hotel gym yesterday, and I plan to do it today as well. They have a nice facility. Hit the steam room.
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Lauren Sherman
Did Carolyn go to any classes? Who takes classes?
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Chris Black
Carolyn did not. She actually just left to the airport one minute ago, right before this happened. She went on a little walk around the neighborhood, you know, check out the water, visit the Cartier store for a cool down, normal Carolyn stuff.
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Lauren Sherman
You also threw out the first pitch at the Red Sox. Oh, I said the Red Sox game.
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Chris Black
It.
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Lauren Sherman
What? They did play the Red Sox, right?
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Chris Black
The Cubs, Yeah, they did play the Red Sox. The Red Sox did win, as I'm sure our listeners don't care too much about the final score. But, yeah, it was. It was quite an honor. And there is a fashion connection. Our friend of the show, Mary Kate, who basically runs the Neiman Marcus store in Beverly Hills, her brother does comms and like, PR for the Cubs. And Wrigley, he listens to the show and saw that we were in town and graciously asked if I'd like to throw out a first pitch.
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Lauren Sherman
Oh, that's so fun. Yeah. I was wondering how that happened and how they chose people. It was very exciting.
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Chris Black
I think. They choose. I've learned that there's three criteria for being chosen. You are a legitimate celebrity, and that's Just what happens. And then you are somebody like me, where somebody who works inside the organization is a big fan and there's an opening and we need to fill a slot, so slide them in. And then the other one are like the contractual obligations. So, like somebody who works for, like, a liquor distribution company or like any of these businesses that stadiums and sports teams work with, they'll be like, oh, you know, get the Budweiser guy in here and he'll throw out the pitch kind of thing.
- [08:49]
Lauren Sherman
It's like a pay to play that's interesting.
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Chris Black
It's a back scratch deal kind of thing. It's one of the perks of dealing with stadium life.
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Lauren Sherman
Did I read somewhere or did I. Was I talking to someone who said you had a custom Cubs hat made or something?
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Chris Black
Customs Cubs jersey. They give you a jersey and you could put whatever you want on it. Mine just said jeans on the back. Just a classic. And I thought it was ironic that this name, that was my graffiti name when I was a teenager, is now embroidered on the back of a Major League baseball jersey as I throw the first pitch.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah. Do people really call you tj? Because at your show on Saturday night, I was talking to Ben Edgar and his girlfriend, and she said, TJ this, TJ that. And I thought, who's tj? And then I realized.
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Chris Black
Chris started calling me TJ around when we started doing the podcast when we were. Chris was sheltering in place in LA after he escaped Montreal because Alex was stuck there during the quarantine. And then we would hang out all the time and just have fun during the global pandemic. And I just got the name T.J. somehow, some way, and everyone would call me that and it just kind of stuck. It's cute, you know, it's cute.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah. Yeah, I like it. So how did you feel about Saturday night? I really enjoyed the PowerPoint PDF format or whatever it is, whatever that thing is called. I've never used any Adobe Suite.
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Chris Black
Yeah, it was a keynote presentation in our style, but basically just the same thing that we always do at live shows. Typically, when we do a live podcast, it's the exact same as a regular podcast. We just get up there and tell stories and bullshit about what happened that day, traveling or whatever, and a few hot topics, but this one, we have, like hard line talking points and statements that are declared with visual bits and jokes, and then we'll kind of talk about it, engage with the crowd and stuff.
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Lauren Sherman
I thought it moved really fast and the crowd was like, chiming in quite a bit, especially that guy who lifts weights without shoes on.
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Chris Black
He was a good chimer. He knew exactly. His name is Sage. He knew exactly how to reply to things, you know, like he knew the answer that we wanted to hear. And it's great when you get somebody participating from the crowd who isn't trying to heckle or derail, you know.
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Lauren Sherman
What did you think of the Chicago crowd in terms of fashion?
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Chris Black
The crowd at our show or Chicago in general or both?
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Lauren Sherman
Both. Let's start with the show and then we can broaden out.
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Chris Black
I mean, honestly I didn't really get a good look at most of the people in the crowd, but I would say that a lot of the people in Chicago in our demographic of listenership, it has like an elevated kind of not working class but like the car hearty bro but elevated to a more higher end level. Not, not getting into like true luxury brands or anything like that, but just like a more tailored, put together, elevated version of, of the kind of standard car Hardy uniform.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, I'm feeling that the guy we were sitting next to who walked out with us to was wearing like. Do you remember those APC the really worn in when people would like wear their APC jeans for five years and never and put them in the freezer to. He was wearing those with like Clarks or something. It felt very like early 90s.
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Chris Black
Yeah, a lot of Clarks. A lot of Clarks I saw. I mean a classic wallaby on a Chicago guy with some worn in APCs. It's a great look all day long.
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Lauren Sherman
It's true. What, what have you seen? You went to the Polo. Is it called the Polo Bar here? It's called something different.
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Chris Black
Is it just called RL or like the RL Bar or. I don't know, we. I think people just call it the Polo Bar.
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Lauren Sherman
What were people wearing there? What have you seen out and about?
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Chris Black
So two different things. I would say we'll start with the RL at the top and work our way down to the general population of Chicago. But a lot of just great elegant WASPy looks and, but not, not just boring white ladies wearing, you know, pearls and brooches and sweaters, but people of all ages and ethnicities and everyone, you know, behaving very similarly in the same room. But the Chicago angle is that everyone is really drunk compared to when you go to New York or la, which makes things more fun. Like there's a woman, very elegantly dressed sitting behind me, just straight up fall out of her chair. Last night on a Sunday dinner at.
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Lauren Sherman
6Pm I would say I noticed this as well. We went out on before we ate at this restaurant. Have you been to Cellar Door? I feel like you all would like it.
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Chris Black
I haven't, man.
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Lauren Sherman
It's a really nice restaurant here in a neighborhood I can't remember. But. But you know the Psychic wine guys, there's a wine shop called Divert Diversi Diversity Wines that's connected to that ordinaire and Psychic Wines in La Ordinaire in Oakland. They're all the same group.
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Chris Black
Sister properties.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah. And this restaurant's connected to Diversey Wines. But we were sitting next to these guys, and I said to Dan, I was like, these guys are definitely going to. How long gone? And they were there.
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Chris Black
Oh, really?
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
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Chris Black
I mean, you can definitely. I've definitely been to a restaurant before or after a live show of ours, and I could exactly tell, you know, these. That table is gonna go. That table's gonna go.
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Lauren Sherman
But I did notice when we were leaving the other night, we walked by, like a pub. Like. Like, people really drink beer here, which I don't. I haven't drank beer in 25 years. I don't. I never really drank it anyway.
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Chris Black
But Chicago, man, is what we do here. But I. I would. I would. When I was at the rl, there were a lot of, like. It's a lot of older people typically in the. In that place in which I like. It's like almost more bumping and cool during lunch than it is dinner, which is a. I think, a cool, unique aspect about it. But for every old person, you would see, like, the young horse riding, super wealthy, insane plastic surgery, rich kid table where they've been going there since they're three and now they're 21 and they have the goyard bags and they have plastic surgery and their hair looks insane. And they're wearing tiny little Celine sweaters tied around their neck. And they walk in the room like, you know, like Gossip Girl style, like, we need to shut the cafeteria down kind of energy. I love it.
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Lauren Sherman
You need to go there next time.
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Chris Black
You gotta go there. But I would say just walking around, like, Friday, Saturday night in Chicago, every dude just dresses in golf clothes.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
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Chris Black
And that's just what it is. Like, just the uniform. Oftentimes the shirt is tucked in, which kind of cleans things up a little bit. Show, show that little booty poking out in the malar khakis or whatever. But I've noticed that the girl. Like, the younger girls going out, you can kind of like, for, like, I guess 30 and up, you can the only real, real way to tell if they're luxury dressers is by the bag. Otherwise you can't really tell by the clothing.
- [16:46]
Lauren Sherman
No, that's very true. Wow. I think this is the first Peter Millar mention on fashion people. Very exciting.
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Chris Black
I think, I think our hotel's around the corner from, from a PM but for the younger, like 20 year old going out, you know the West Village girls of Chicago, it's like denim, like long denim skirt and white tube top or colored tube top and long flowing white skirt and then you just interchange which color. Like is, is it going to be black or white on top or bottom and the other one is flipped and then that's it.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, I mean that's America. Right?
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Chris Black
Which is just America.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, yeah. This Chicago really is America. I feel like we're staying in Lincoln park and I've been having to get up at 5:30 every morning because in LA Fritz has blackout shades and so he doesn't. And he also. We have a lock on his door so he can't leave his room. It's not true.
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Chris Black
Brave of you to admit the lock. Brave of you to admit the lock.
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Lauren Sherman
Look, I gotta say, I recommend it to anyone. This kid calls me and says mommy, I would like to leave my room. He listens to me. He sits in there until 7:30 every morning reading books. He's 4 years old, can already sound stuff out, can identify.
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Chris Black
Does he have an ensuite bathroom?
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Lauren Sherman
So no he doesn't but so the thing this is going.
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Chris Black
Does he have a bathroom bell that.
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Lauren Sherman
He could ring perhaps we don't need that because he wears pull ups at night. So he is fine on the bathroom. He has been since he was like two. But little boys in particular, it's not even worth trying to get them potty trained overnight until they're like six or seven.
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Chris Black
Oh, okay.
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Lauren Sherman
They're gonna just pee the bed all the time. So she wears a pull up, it's fine. But here we don't have a blackout shade and he's been getting up at 5:30 every morning screaming mommy, I want to get out of bed. Which is hilarious. He doesn't have a lock on the door here. He doesn't have anything. He could just get out and he. But he's been so I've been getting up.
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Chris Black
So is he like sleeping on a, on like a cot in the room with you guys? Is that.
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Lauren Sherman
No, no, no, this is. We're staying at a friend's. It's a three bedroom.
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Chris Black
Got it, got it.
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Lauren Sherman
So he is in his own room. Very luxurious, very nice bed. But anyway, I've been getting up really early and going. First of all, the boutique fitness situation here is even crazier potentially than la. We're staying in Lincoln Park. Solidcore, which is a chain that I love going to. It's great. They have a 4:30am class, which obviously I didn't do, but I have been going at like 6:30 or 7. And I will say everyone here a, everyone just wears like leggings all day long. But also everyone's very fit. There might be like an extra layer of plushiness because of all the beer, but they're very fit. I went to a class today that reminded me of Carolyn because I know she does burn in la, which is like, yeah, strange.
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Chris Black
Shout out to all my Studio City burners.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, I mean we love it. It's so good. This was called Yoga Box.
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Chris Black
Okay.
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Lauren Sherman
It was very similar but like everyone looked amazing in their sets.
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Chris Black
The thing I have noticed that walking around, that there are a lot of fit people walking around, men and women, jogging, running, walking, early morning, late night, all hours of the day. And you're right, Chicago sort of has a reputation for being a bunch of beer drinking fatties. And I think this trip has proven that to be wrong. It's an outdated stereotype.
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Lauren Sherman
I mean, you can be both. I think that's the reality, is you can have fun and you can also work out a bunch. That's incredible this morning. Yeah. So the one look that I've seen here that I had to look up and was shocked, there is this pair of shorts or running tights with piping down the front. They're really cute. And I saw a girl walking around the other day and I looked them up and lo and behold, they were from Vuori.
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Chris Black
Vuori Piping pants.
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Lauren Sherman
Yep. And then today the instructor at Yoga Box who was very cute, had it on and she was talking about how she just got this new set this weekend. They were hunter green with a bra top, little piping. Honestly, if it didn't have the Vuori square on it, which I just can't bring myself to buy, I would buy them.
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Chris Black
You know, I've had some Vora items sent to me and the logo and the branding is very minimal. Like a little tonal black on black hit on the side. But they put it on in such a way that it is. You're unable to debadge it if you wanted to.
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Lauren Sherman
Well, on these shorts it's like right next to the piping. It's placed in A very odd.
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Chris Black
Like, put it on the head when you're piping.
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Lauren Sherman
Pardon?
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Chris Black
When you say piping to the uninitiated, like myself.
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Lauren Sherman
So think about a stripe. But piped like, oh, okay.
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Chris Black
I think I'm looking at it right now. It's just like, so, like green pants and it'll be like a little white.
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Lauren Sherman
Yes, like a little white raised. Yeah, it's three dimensional.
- [22:38]
Chris Black
Like this.
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Lauren Sherman
Exactly. Those are them.
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Chris Black
Okay.
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Lauren Sherman
And look, they looked good. I might get them because I have been going to burn a lot with my friends. And so I was thinking maybe I should get like a cute set that's not set because I'm not a set girl.
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Chris Black
What do you think the Lauren Sherman of one or two years ago would say, hearing you consider buying a Viori set?
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Lauren Sherman
I'll try everything once. I'll try everything once. Because, you know, I'm a basic beat deep down inside. I try to act like I'm not, but I am.
- [23:18]
Chris Black
Everyone is. Everyone is.
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Lauren Sherman
Everyone is. So here's the thing I really want. I haven't. I used to wear, like, a high school T shirt and, like, shitty shorts to run in. And then Outdoor Voices came along and I got really into their color block leggings, all of their tanks, their sports bras, and became devoted. They did it. I remember they did APC collab with everything. Yeah. And so this week we found out that Tyler Haney, who was the founder of Outdoor Voices and lost it in this spectacular manner, is now consulting for the company again. It's owned by this licensing firm, Consortium Brands, and who knows? I'm sure more will be revealed this week. But I know that she's brought in a bunch of the OG Outdoor Voices people. She's redesigning the website. They're gonna do a big brand refresh and look like, I don't really think you can fix any of this stuff. It's too late. Someone just should pay her a bunch of money to do a new brand. But what I will say is there is literally not another other than I wear a lot of Nike and Lululemon because it's like the quote unquote, best thing out there for me. But there is nothing that I've found that I've loved since that early Outdoor Voices stuff. What do you think about this?
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Chris Black
Well, to me, there's some similarities between, like, Dove Charney with a fantastic exit with American Apparel and then him starting LA Apparel.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
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Chris Black
Obviously, Ty and Dove are two very different people with very different situations.
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Lauren Sherman
A little different.
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Chris Black
But Ty, has she. She started other Companies in the meantime. Right. There's like, Joggy.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah. So Joggy started as, like, CBD gummy vibes, and now they do energy drinks. But she started this thing called try your best, which is. It's. I don't. I don't want to talk about what it. It's some, like, crypto AI thing. But what it is fundamentally is a loyalty program that can be, like, layered on. If you own a company that you sell stuff can layer. Her loyalty program, and I did. I interviewed her about it in 2022. We've. She and I have had, like, a lot of. She, like, thought I was out to get her type vibe. Obviously I wasn't, but then, you know, she's very smart.
- [26:03]
Chris Black
Is it obvious, Lauren, is it obvious that you weren't trying.
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Lauren Sherman
I'm not out to get anyone, Jason. This is a thing.
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Chris Black
I don't think you are either, but.
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Lauren Sherman
You know, I think it's hilarious.
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Chris Black
She is putting myself into the. The color block tights of a tie in 2022. I'm on defense. I'm assuming everyone is trying to have, you know, get a. A damning quote out of my mouth.
- [26:25]
Lauren Sherman
She has had a lot of shitty things done to her, but also, whatever. She was 22 years old. Who cares? I think it's amazing that people still care about this brand. Like that is what I will say. It's crazy.
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Chris Black
Burn really bright and huge. I mean, I would wear, and I like, ironically wear an outdoor voices hat sometimes just because I thought it was funny and, you know, like, everyone wore the clothes. I think that she's just one of those people that is never going to stop creating and has a thousand ideas and she just outworks everyone. She's just like that kind of psycho that gets it done one way or another.
- [27:05]
Lauren Sherman
Hundred percent. I kind of wish she, like, Nike would hire her or something. I don't know. I get it. She wants to. She wants to create her own things and. And she just raised $11 million for the. The whatever, the loyalty platform. But interestingly, I did see someone with one of those ov old school tote bags, which were ubiquitous from like 2016 to 2018. And you wanted them to die. It kind of looked vintage.
- [27:37]
Chris Black
Enough time has passed in the cycle. That is a vintage, thoughtful piece.
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Lauren Sherman
But look, I'm excited for it. And I also think this company, this licensing firm, they bought Jonathan Adler, I know, is a friend of how long gone. And they also bought Reese Witherspoon's fashiony lifestyle line, Draper James. If they can create something where they are like still working with founders, but they're one of these like blood sucking vulture firms, so it feels really good. But they're also making tons of money on a bunch of bs. Good for them and I hope they make some good stuff. I really do not have anything I want to buy at. There's a lot of amazing alo makes great stuff stuff. Set Active makes great stuff. This is not for me. And so let's make something for. For Lauren Sherman and I think this could be.
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Chris Black
Yeah, well, we're. We're going to have Ty on how long gone this week she told me that the Outdoor Voices announcement stuff is on embargo until a week from today, I think. So obviously you already know about this and people are already talking about it, so it seems like the cat is out of the bag, right?
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah. Well, embargoes. Embargoes don't work. When they don't, they're not shared with the person. But I wonder. I'm sure she got like a big.
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Chris Black
You know it. I mean you're Lauren Sherman, so you get the scoops. But you're not the only. You're not breaking this news that.
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Lauren Sherman
No, no, no. They put it. They broke it themselves. They put it on their Instagram that they followed one person, her. And then she put Outdoor Voices on her Instagram. So then this is how we announce.
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Chris Black
Brett and brand collaborations and business partnerships now as we do social media blackout and follow one person.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, you gotta control the narrative. And also then this. I'm sure I haven't read Emily Sundberg today. I'm sure she'll have a little thing on it. Although maybe she doesn't know about Outdoor Voices. I don't know if that was post her or pre her, but this Instagram account, people, brands and things, I don't know if you're familiar with it.
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Chris Black
I'm not.
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Lauren Sherman
It's like, it's cute. They wrote about it last night where they were like, I don't know what happened. And then I subscribed to their subset. I think it's really. It's good. The person who runs it was like, maybe she bought it back. That's not what happened. She's just consulting for them.
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Chris Black
But I forgot about doing things. But being there, doing things.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, I can't. I'm. I'm excited. So welcome Tyler back, back to fashion.
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Chris Black
Are there any questions that you want me to ask her before we move on to the next topic? War. Should I just say, like, look, you know who Lauren Triman is? Look at her Instagram and design. Design a Pilates hit class set that would be great for a young mom on the go.
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Lauren Sherman
I think I would love for her to bring back the Steeplechase bra. I'm sick of buying them on Poshmark. It's kind of gross.
- [30:46]
Chris Black
Steeplechase. We don't want to have secondhand brassieres anymore, Ty.
- [30:51]
Lauren Sherman
Usually I get them with tags, but it's just even saying it out loud. I'm like, ooh, I can't believe I do.
- [30:57]
Chris Black
It's just been sitting in a stranger's house for years.
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Lauren Sherman
Yes. And also some some materials innovation. But I trust her. I think it's going to be good.
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Lauren Sherman
Okay, so another trend that's happening. I don't know if you've noticed. Well, you have noticed it. One thing that came up on your slides was that you and Chris are elder millennial, borderline Gen X. And I noticed. Did you see Casey Lewis? We were part of a story that Casey Lewis did this weekend about the return of Keds.
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Chris Black
Yes, people are Tagging us in the Ked talk.
- [33:02]
Lauren Sherman
Yes.
- [33:02]
Chris Black
So Ked talk.
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Lauren Sherman
I bought Keds a few weeks. I've worn Keds all my life, on and off. I bought two new pairs a couple of weeks ago because I was almost bought those Sperries like you know, sort of Keds, but they're too preppy. The vans. I'm not cool enough for Vans. So I and my friend Becky Malinsky was like, just get Keds. I was like, oh yeah. So I got slides and I got normal Keds. And then at the Celine show, Michael Ryder did like a little white dance shoe that also reminded me of Keds. And then I was wearing my Keds in Chicago. I've been wearing them all week. And Casey Lewis had done this whole thread about Keds are becoming a really big thing that you all were talking about them on. How long gone. Because Lana Del Rey was wearing them or something.
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Chris Black
Or I think we were talking about them in reference to, to the Selene show.
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Lauren Sherman
Oh yeah.
- [34:01]
Chris Black
But I don't remember. But I know Lana has been wearing them the whole time. Just like, Just like you. Yeah, she never stopped Kedding.
- [34:10]
Lauren Sherman
Never stopped Kedding.
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Chris Black
So. So you. So basically Keds are having a moment and we're. Do you. What do you. Why do you think so? I have, I have some ideas.
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Lauren Sherman
I think a. We have gone full circle on the white sneaker thing. So we were wearing them like 10 common projects area like 10, 15 years ago. And so we're back to the white sneaker looking. The sneakers got so crazy. You have to like totally pare it back down. And there was actually. I have all these old Vogues from my mother in law. There was a. I wanna say 89 vogue. Oh 1990 vogue where it just had tons of plimsoles and was talking about how in the 80s all the sneakers were so like sneaker culture became a big thing. And then you have to like pair back. And there were Chanel Keds in this like Chanel Plimsoles in the, in the spread. But I think it's probably that, that like sneakers just got so ugly and garish that everyone's like paring it back down. And also the, the pant line is narrowing again. So if you're gonna wear. You're not gonna wear Keds with. You could wear them with a cropped flare, but you're not gonna wear kids with a long flare. You're gonna wear them with like narrow. So. So that. And yeah, I don't know. But I, I appreciate. I do think it's. It Seems to be very much in our generation. I don't know of younger girls or boys are going to start wearing like these daintier sneakers, but what do you think?
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Chris Black
I think that younger people will start wearing these lower profile, daintier sneakers. I think it is like a reaction to the pendulum swinging away from the, the giant Balenciaga, you know, $2,000 oversized running shoes or like chunky Prada loafers that only like, you know, I guess I, I won't talk too much shit, but so people are moving away from that. There's also like a big trend of. We're having enough of like the giant Hoka sole.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
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Chris Black
Where it's just like so squishy and so big. There is like a real return to like we were joking around about the guy taking his shoes off at the gym to squat better or deadlift better. And I think there's a huge uptick in low profile, zero lift shoes. And so Leica Ked or a pair of Vans or the Onusuka Tigers or all these other shoes. People are realizing that feeling that grounded earthing connection with the world is something they want more, but also, you know, just a cyclical trend. Like it was big in the 80s with the preppy people and it was big in the 2000s when like Misha Barton was a Keds spokesperson and they were doing like a bunch of ugly like ballet flat kids. And now they're just a regular staple shoe. Just like a Jack Purcell or a Vans or whatever they're in. And they're never going to go out of style. They go with everything.
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Lauren Sherman
Someone who used to do marketing for kids DM me and was like, you should do a collaboration with kids. So kids wants to do a collaboration with Puck. Message me.
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Chris Black
So you be you being Puck or you being Lauren.
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Lauren Sherman
I'm not, I'm not doing individual. I am Puck. I am owned by Puck.
- [37:39]
Chris Black
Yeah. I mean, nobody wants to. People will be lining up, jumping and crawling over themselves to get a pair of shoes that are in collaboration with a newsletter.
- [37:51]
Lauren Sherman
I agree.
- [37:52]
Chris Black
I'm using sarcasm.
- [37:54]
Lauren Sherman
I definitely.
- [37:57]
Chris Black
You know what you should do? You should do Puck heads and give them away the way airmail would give away their hats. They probably.
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Lauren Sherman
We don't give away anything.
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Chris Black
We cannot afford to give away anything right now.
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Lauren Sherman
So here's the thing. This is also extreme going back to this guy with no shoes lifting and everybody being obsessed with weightlifting and protein, which Chris, your heterosexual life partner Chris Black just did a column about the protein extreme. The extreme protein thing that's happening in Culture. He did this for gq and I read it. I got through the paywall to read his column, and I just gotta say, I totally agree with him. It's completely insane. The amount of protein that is suggested I eat. Even if I weigh, like, I would love to weigh 10 pounds less than I do. Even that much is too much protein. Right, right, right. Like, it's crazy.
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Chris Black
And so you're 120 now. You would love to only have to eat 110 grams of protein every day.
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Lauren Sherman
120, yes, exactly. It's too much. It's so crazy.
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Chris Black
Well, I. I agree with that. And I think there are a lot of other actually qualified people who agree with it. We had Harley Pasternick on our show, I don't know, maybe like eight months or so ago, and he just wrote a book about this whole thing. It's like basically saying, like, we need carbs. Carbs are not bad. Carbs are not the enemy. Just the protein pendulum swinging. I think a lot of people adopted the high protein diet because it's a good way of controlling what you're eating. Not necessarily the portion size, but basically, if you have to hit. If I weigh 200 pounds and I need to have 200 grams of protein every day, that's a lot of work. And I will not have any space left inside of my body for anything except high protein foods. So I'm just going to be pounding chicken breasts and broccoli because there's no room in my stomach for Cheetos or anything like that. So they hope that it'll work out, work its way out, but it's a very unsustainable way to live. Nobody wants to eat a seven egg omelet in the morning.
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Lauren Sherman
No. And your body can't process this stuff.
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Chris Black
Unless you're like an extreme athlete. If you're Michael Phelps and you're burning 3,000 calories before breakfast, eat a fucking deep dish pizza every day. It doesn't matter.
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Lauren Sherman
Totally. Here's the thing. As someone who really watches, like blood sugar levels and all that stuff, and very conscious about eating protein, like the last few weeks, the insanity of the idea that eggs don't have enough protein, that's crazy. Eggs are the perfect protein. They're the perfect food. They have fat, they have a little bit of. I think they probably have like 1 gram of carb. Like, it's. It's a great food. Eat as many as you want. It's get.
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Chris Black
Yeah, but. But also, one egg has six grams of protein. And how much does a David bar have, you know, it has 20 or something.
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Lauren Sherman
Well, but this is the thing. Why, first of all, have you tried one of these David bars? No, I have not though it's disgusting. The Jacob is way worse. I can't believe these people.
- [41:17]
Chris Black
There's a bar called Jacob too.
- [41:19]
Lauren Sherman
Yes, it's. I don't know if it's supposed to be it. The weird thing is it's better for you. Like it has less weird in it and it has, I think real sugar or whatever. It's not, not as much crap, but it tastes even worse. I was like, this is just. I had to spit it out and I don't, I don't really snack. I don't do any of that stuff. So I don't need. But occasionally like, I'm like, I need a Jason.
- [41:46]
Chris Black
Must be nice.
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Lauren Sherman
I'm a 42 year old mom who's about to turn 43 who had gestational diabetes. I'm not snacking, I'm eating. Snacking is not on the menu meal that I enjoy. And having ice cream sometimes, but okay. Did you see this David Cod thing?
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Chris Black
I did see the David Cod thing.
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Lauren Sherman
Do you think that they're going to send you. Is David going to send you all, you and Carolyn as food and lifestyle and fitness and famous influencers? Do you think that they're gonna send you some David Codd and hope that Carolyn does a recipe for them for her substack and that you also blog about it?
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Chris Black
I don't think they will. Especially after this conversation after you called their food disgusting and with my association to Chris talking about. I'm sure he said some negative things about it as well. I think that as a advertising gimmick and a way to spread viral brand awareness, I think it's really smart. I think it is a great way to get everyone talking about the brand regardless. I think they're doing it in a small limited release and they know that it's not a good value proposition. Um, I think where it hurts them is they're like the sustainability parts of it and just the shipping and the packing and the dry ice and all this money to send, you know, six little pieces of fish for what, like almost $70. And it's arriving at people's houses during a heat wave and you know, the ice is melted in the. And the cod is just, you know, defrosting on your driveway while you're at work all day. So I think it'll be a gimmick that backfires a little bit as well. But cod is A great source of protein. And if you, you know, unless you're living in a true food desert, it's a sad existence. If you have to have your COD shipped in, in a box with this millennial packaging that's ripping off Oakley advertising from the 80s and eating it over your sink with some hot sauce on it. It's, you know, it's no way to live.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, I would say just buy fish, wife. I really love it.
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Chris Black
Or you know, go, go to your local fishmonger, wherever it is that you live, every major city, if you're listening to this, there's a place that has great fish that is close to you. Cod is expensive. You can buy different fish.
- [44:16]
Lauren Sherman
It's true.
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Chris Black
And that way a local business of people who work hard and every day to make the best quality product they can versus a VC backed company drop shipping salmonella packets to different places in Manhattan so people could post about it on TikTok. People are only buying it so they could share it on social media.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, I mean, I guess that's, that's one strategy, but they should definitely send it to you anyway. If I were them after this conversation, I would reach out personally and be like, I want to change your mind. But not everybody is.
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Chris Black
Well, maybe. I mean, if they send me the COD and it arrives and you know, I'll hit it with my infrared thermometer and if our temp is good, yeah, I will. I'll create a great little ceviche bowl or some shit with it. But otherwise, I mean, you know, sending highly perishable foods via the our crumbling postal service right now, it's tricky business.
- [45:20]
Lauren Sherman
Yeah, that's true.
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Lauren Sherman
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Chris Black
Which makes sense to me.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah. But the happy scarves are back. They had pretty good results last week. What do you think of. Does Carolyn have a Burberry bikini? I could see her having one and looking great in it, but she does.
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Chris Black
Yeah.
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Lauren Sherman
What do you think about the Burberry revival?
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Chris Black
Well, I heard you, you and Scott were talking about it a couple weeks ago on this pod. I thought both of you guys had a lot of great insightful points. And Scott is so good at talking about the stuff and he's miles ahead in terms of knowledge about this than myself and probably you a little bit. No offense. He's just that good.
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Lauren Sherman
None taken.
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Chris Black
But you know, I think that Burberry has, has always in my mind been like a tweener brand where it's not quite full luxury, but it's a step above, you know, the Lacoste or the, or the Polo or something like that. But you guys were discussing how the price point does not reflect that it's things are priced, you know, Cuccinelli prices, but it doesn't have that luxury feel. And I think a lot of the reason why is because it's we're just really craving sort of exotic and foreign things right now. And unless something is Italian or French or Grecian or, you know, something a little more exotic and different, it's hard for us to attach a dollar amount to it. Like, oh, this is, this cashmere is not from Italy. So why am I going to spend 900 on this sweater if it's just, you know, white people making it in a white people place? It should be $500.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, well, there is this thing of. I wrote about this a little on Monday. Like luxury stuff has gotten so expensive and then there's all this cheap shit that you can buy and there's. For a long time the middle, like the middle class was being squeezed out, but now there's actually this and it's sort of a step up from quote unquote accessible luxury. Which Burberry coach, Tory Burch, they all sat in the late 2000s, post recession. That's what was big then. Michael Kors, but a lot like Tory Burch and Coach. But Tory Burch in particular has been able to like step up to. It's now a designer brand. Their Runway shows are like really valued and, and reviewed in the same way, like a European show. But. And the product looks unique but. But it's not. The prices aren't so crazy. And there is like, the thing is, yes, we talk about the vanishing middle class. There actually is still a lot of people who are middle class and like a lot of people who are, you would think are rich. But it's technically middle class now because everything's so expensive. So I think there's actually a lot of opportunity in this space that's like we're still a fashion brand, we're still luxury, we're still designer, but it's also like on a different, in a different wavelength. That's like La Mer Aurelie, these Jackamoose, like all those brands, they're not like accessible luxury or contemporary. They're designer, but it's just not as expensive. And I think Burberry can benefit from that, that sort of space.
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Chris Black
Yeah, I guess the Giacomus of the world. Even though the price point is it's not cheap, it does feel a little. Not disposable, but definitely less timeless. Like you'd get a funky pant and you'd wear it for a couple years and then you'd retire it. Whereas Burberry's legacy pieces, ideally you buy one trench and it, you, you use it for the rest of your life. And then when you have these pieces, you know, I buy one Novacek scarf and one trench and one whatever and you keep them forever and you start to panic when people stop buying the things because they're a one time purchase. You just have to sort of hold steady, steady the ship and hope that every year new people will be born who need to have scarves and trench coats.
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Lauren Sherman
Totally. And then also people get sick of stuff. They sell it, they buy a new thing that looks exactly the same. You're hoping for that pattern of behavior, have you? And I think they're actually trying to model it a lot like Montclair. So it has like a fashion element, but it's just basically like every person needs a Burberry trench in their closet and there are tons of people who don't have them. So there's a lot of opportunity. So the one. One of the brands that still feels like it is worth the money for the people who spend a lot on luxury is Laura Piana. And they've been a little. Had had some issues this week, this past week where a Milanese court is investigating some labor practices at at least one of their subcontractors, which basically means. So most of these companies are vertically integrated. They own a lot of their factories. LVMH owns a ton ton of factories. But in the carrying all these places. Chanel. But the thing is, like, there's still a lot of subcontracting, especially in Italy where most luxury goods get made or finished or whatever. And so this Laura Piano was like in the crossfires of this last week. And they're only the first over the past year. Like Dior, Valentino, another. Oh, Armani. They've all been investigated about this. Everybody's freaking out about this. Every. I wrote about it a little bit last Monday because I did a story about like LVMH was just basically had like a PR dump of crap and just like bad things kept happening. And I tried to like zoom out and say, sure, but here's what's really going on. And you can't let these little things trip you up. The media or the people who work at the company. But for this Laura Piana thing, I sort of was like. I literally called it a thing in the newsletter. Cause I just don't think it's that. That big of a deal.
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Chris Black
But so is the issue that they're finding unsafe or inhumane working conditions in some of these subcontracted facilities.
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Lauren Sherman
I don't have the work doc, the legal document in front of me, so I don't want to say specifically, but whatever's happening, like, I'm not saying it's not a big deal. Like people need to be treated fairly. You're spending all this. We're spending all this money on these clothes. Of course the margin on. On these products is extremely wide. But the reality is this is this stuff happens all the time. And, and it's a big lesson for lvmh. They're biggest fashion company in the world. They're one of the biggest companies in the world. They're the biggest company in France on a good day. Not for the last couple of, couple of months, but usually and, or biggest company in Europe. But like the, but the major thing is you just need to further professionalize and all that. The question from a bunch of LVMH employees to me was like, is this going to affect the pricing or is this going to affect Loro Piano sales, which have been extremely robust even as most companies are failing? Laura Piana, Hermes, a couple others are succeeding. What do you think? Like, do you, do you think that this would in any way trickle down to, given that TikTok, you know, all that, the way news disseminates, do you think a consumer of Loro Piana would give a shit ever about this?
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Chris Black
I think by and large the average typical consumer of Loro Piana has no idea that this story even exists. I mean, I understand the, the uproar because if you hear about, you know, unsafe working conditions or unpaid labors at a sheen factory or something, it sounds about right. That's why my trench coat costs $11. But when your trench coat costs $7,000, you would expect, you know, I want to see a handsome old Italian guy with a beautiful knit sweater hand sewing these garments in, you know, in the, in the Italian Alps somewhere. And I want there to be donkeys wearing Hermes saddles, moving bales of cashmere yarn up the hill. And, and so there's, that's the problem is you have the, the, you know, such a huge price gap and you start wondering like I, I, I think people buy Loro Piona because the price and they buy Hermes because it's the most expensive thing and they want to sign. And I don't think that they care if these conditions are poor or not. They don't want the price to go down because that's the main reason they're buying it. So most people that buy Laura Piana are, you know, shitty people. I like, you can wear it in a good way. But, you know, it's like if you see a guy wearing a $900 Laura Piano baseball cap at dinner, he's got an awful, you know, insane neon watch and he has a McLaren with Alec monopoly painted on the side of it. It's not, it's not great. But I think there are cool legacy Loropiano pieces that you can wear and look great and chicin.
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Lauren Sherman
Look, there is, there are good and bad people in every situation. And for as many cheesy people wearing it, there are plenty of extremely chic, morally minded people. The thing I would say is I don't think anyone who buys this stuff is naive enough to think that the price is totally based on the cost of doing business. Like, the part of this is marketing, like you said. They buy the most expensive thing because they feel like it will make it the rarest. And look, I just think they buy it because it has some value in the construct of what has been created.
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Chris Black
And the women I'm trying to fuck know how much this belt costs. And if I'm wearing it, the chances of me fucking her goes up exponentially.
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Lauren Sherman
Totally. And so I agree. I don't think that this is gonna affect them. The only thing I think this is gonna do is help this giant conglomerate do their work to work better. I mean, this kind of stuff, like this happened at Nike in the, in the 90s, like when you're a giant company or in the 2000s, like, and every once in a while this idea that like nothing bad happens at these factories ever if you're watching, is just not true. Like, I've been to factories in Italy that have been so beautiful set up. I could tell that they only brought in I was coming, I was going in. I've never been to a Loro Piana. I've been to shoe factories in Italy for other companies, not an LVMH brand. But like I could tell they set it up where only the people who look like you said are there.
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Chris Black
They told all the children to take the day off when or, or the.
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Lauren Sherman
People who have been shipped in from other countries. Sure, that happens a lot. I just think I understand. I'm not saying that they shouldn't be investigated and shouldn't be fixed like of course it should. But I also think this is just a matter of like further professionalizing in. The bigger you are, the more scrutiny you're under. And also people make mistakes all the time. Like when Everlane launched, they were like showing people their factories and all that. And I remember they were trying really hard to be super transparent. I think it's good. But I also remember thinking, what if one little thing happens when they're not watching at one of these factories and someone finds out? Like, that puts you in an interesting predicament. So hopefully this will be the last day.
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Chris Black
The more you virtue signal, the more of a target you have. And any little thing there or they keep a watchful eye on you. I think Loro should say, hey, we are going to start paying our employees more. Because of that, we're going to have to raise our prices. They should not lower their prices to accommodate their sweatshop labor or whatever they're being accused of. I think that we should say we're going to double everyone's salary and we're going to double the price of the garments and sales are going to go through the roof.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, look, I think that the value of Laura Piana LVMH has done an amazing job managing that brand. Part of it was that they were sort of let to their own devices and able to keep growing as if they were independent, but with the funding of a big company. And people love it, and they will continue to love it. And I'm sure all this stuff will get worked out. And I'm sorry that everyone involved has to deal with it. Hopefully. It's interesting. What I would love to see from someone investigating this stuff, because I don't really have time, is why is the Italian government suddenly all over this stuff? That to me is the question, like, suddenly there's issues with these factories. No. If anything, it's gotten better. So why are suddenly they all being investigated? That is a story I would like to read.
- [60:59]
Chris Black
Well, like every good cool industry, food, fashion, music, whatever it used to be, you know, some back scratching, some backdoor deals, you know, the health inspector is going to come in, or the labor inspector is going to come in, hand you an envelope, we'll see you next year, keep the trains running on time, blah, blah, blah. And now, you know, we're in an era where that just does not happen anymore, or at all. And we have to adjust to the regulations actually regulating us for better or for worse.
- [61:32]
Lauren Sherman
So we're in the era of no fun.
- [61:37]
Chris Black
In some ways, yes. In some ways, no. There's pros and cons that could be debated about that.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
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Chris Black
Until the cows come home.
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Lauren Sherman
Next time. Jason, it was so nice to have you. Have fun in dc. Enjoy Mineta.
- [61:49]
Chris Black
Thank you.
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Lauren Sherman
You gonna get the burger?
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Chris Black
I mean, it'll be hard not to get the burger at Minetta. Am I right?
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Lauren Sherman
I agree. Are you gonna see Kyle Chayka when you're there?
- [61:58]
Chris Black
I hope to see Kyle Chaeca, actually. Yeah.
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Lauren Sherman
Send my love.
- [62:01]
Chris Black
Yeah, we love dc. It's. It's on our tour. Last year was probably our best show that we had because they are, you know, they're secretly very plugged into what's going on in the world. But they don't make a whole show of it.
- [62:14]
Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
- [62:14]
Chris Black
Intelligent, educated, and most importantly, are all closet alcoholics. And.
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Lauren Sherman
Right.
- [62:21]
Chris Black
Those people like to laugh.
- [62:23]
Lauren Sherman
Exactly what you need. Do you get a cut of the alcohol proceeds from the evening?
- [62:30]
Chris Black
No, we do not. We do not have a bar percentage. You know, if. If I'm throwing the after party at a club for one of our shows, then that could be negotiated, but typically now. But venues like doing shows with us because our fans are not necessarily big drinkers, but we are good tippers, and that's something that's fallen on bygone times over the years, especially at independent music venues.
- [62:56]
Lauren Sherman
Yeah. Well, that's very, very nice. And it was great to catch up. Congrats again on the show. I really enjoyed it. It's very Old Man Millennial. Everyone who goes will love it.
- [63:09]
Chris Black
Old man shaking his fist at the clouds.
- [63:12]
Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
- [63:13]
Chris Black
Yeah.
- [63:14]
Lauren Sherman
And I'm sure I'll see you soon in la.
- [63:17]
Chris Black
Thanks for having me on, Lauren. It's a pleasure.
- [63:19]
Lauren Sherman
Thanks, Jason. Fashion People is a presentation of Odyssey in partnership with Puck. This show was produced and edited by Molly Nugent. Special thanks to our executive producer, Puck co founder John Kelly, executive editor Ben Landy, and director of editorial operations, Gabby Grossman. An additional thanks to the team at Odyssey, JD Crowley, Jenna Weiss Berman and Bob Tabador.