Dior Couture and Peptide Mania

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Fashion People – "Dior Couture and Peptide Mania"

Host: Lauren Sherman
Guest: Chris Black
Date: January 27, 2026

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Episode Overview

Lauren Sherman, Puck’s Line Sheet journalist, is joined by Chris Black (How Long Gone) for an insider’s discussion on what’s happening across fashion’s runways, backstage, and behind the streams. They dissect the most recent men’s and couture shows in Paris, the state of buzzy brands (Dior, Celine, Jacquemus), the streamer incursion into fashion, the peptide health craze gripping the industry’s elite, and the latest M&A and gossip—from Marchesa’s woes to new launches in media. The conversation is quick, witty, and honest, reflecting the off-press-release realities of fashion.

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1. Paris Fashion Week: Men’s and Couture Shows

Lauren’s Paris Dispatch and Show Scene

• Lauren is reporting from Europe, fresh off Dior and Schiaparelli Couture, Chanel, Armani, Hermes’ last menswear under Véronique, and Jacquemus.
• She teases Line Sheet exclusives and industry gossip for the newsletter. [01:04]
• Shows are described as hectic but invigorating. Lauren and Chris reflect on the atmospheres in Paris and a snowy New York, with playful banter about weather, driving, and singing in the car. [03:08–05:12]

Key Menswear and Collection Highlights

• Both hosts agree: as always, some collections are “good, some really bad.”
• Ralph Lauren solidly outscores imitators:
  “I really appreciated Ralph kind of showing all of his imitators who's boss… it was actually pretty good and cool.” (Chris, 05:41)
• Celine’s new direction is a hit among insiders:
  “I think that the Celine... everything looks like pretty wearable, you know, which is kind of nice. It's not a freak show… even the stuff that's more crazy or experimental still feels relatively wearable...” (Chris, 07:25)
• Lauren notes Celine’s 2025 collections are winning the hearts (and wallets) of industry people for the first time since Loewe or Prada’s heyday. [07:45]
• The red Repetto shoes from Celine are a standout accessory:
  “She had a pair of the red repetto’s on that were all beat up. And it just looked… They looked.” (Lauren, 08:53)
• The Dior belt buckle and costume jewelry are praised for being “affordable, cute, and wearable.” [09:12]

Wearability & Critic Response

• Chris voices his usual skepticism about runway pieces versus what stars are seen in at shows:
  "When I see, like, young, Lean and Robert Pattinson… they look so cool and almost normal. And then when the show starts, it's a blouse. You know what I mean? It's like a sequined blouse…” (Chris, 09:40)
• Discussion of normcore vs. experimental fits: Josh O’Connor at Dior Couture in “real normie outfit.” [10:11]
• The untucked shirt with blazer gets playful ribbing: "I've never felt okay about that personally, but maybe that's just my traditional views." (Chris, 10:30)
• Lauren: “I think that’s you being from the South.” [10:50]

Dior Men’s and Couture: In-depth

• Both hosts admit the first Dior Men's collection was more exciting—critics loved the new one more than either host did, but “the guy has got to be burnt the fuck out… you can’t deliver that much all the time.” (Chris, 11:38)
• Couture, by contrast, was “really good… It clarified it for me. And also it was pretty. And I, I saw a woman leaving who was a client and she liked it. Like there were people talking. I think it’s… gonna take a couple years, but it's gonna work fine.” (Lauren, 15:36)
• John Galliano’s visible enjoyment at Dior Couture is a notable moment. (12:41)
• New Dior Book tote “Dracula bag” highlighted as the next “upgrade” item (14:05).
• The challenge of single creative direction across huge houses (Dior, Vuitton) leads to burnout:
  “Matt Tubazi has 10 collections. I don’t even… Jonathan probably has 25 collections he has to do.” (Lauren, 15:08–15:16)
• LVMH’s “One Dior” internal campaign poked fun at:
  "One Dior is so dramatic. It sounds like a credit card or something." (Chris, 15:03)

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2. The Streamer-to-Fashion-Designer Phenomenon

• Chris flags streamer Kai Cenat as the latest digital celebrity attempting a pivot to fashion design.
  Who is Kai Cenat?
  • “He's a young... mouth-breathing dork who turns the camera on and makes a fortune for not doing anything.” (Chris, 19:48)
  • Massive reach: celebrities go on his stream for promotion.
• Lauren and Chris are skeptical of the fashion move:
  “He posted a job listing for, I wish a Union heard this, $30,000 a year to help him design his front.” (Chris, 20:29)
  • "He doesn't really know what he's gotten into." (Chris, 21:15)
• The Kanye effect:
  “This is... it's Kanye's fault. Like they think they can get rich making clothes and they can’t.” (Chris, 21:18)
• Kanye’s recent full-page WSJ apology is noted [21:47].
• “Let’s see if Kai Cenat can go toe to toe with him.” (Chris, 22:47)

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3. Jacquemus: Runway, Reformation, and Pop Fashion

• Lauren attended Jacquemus and notes its appeal to non-industry types: “People love this. It looks like it would be in a movie. It's like a fashion brand.” (Lauren, 23:37)
  • Chris: “I'm not saying it's not a good bit… It's a good business because it's reformation, but French, you know?” (23:43)
  • The brand isn’t “designer,” it’s contemporary—but that’s what buyers want.
  • “What Emily in Paris thinks clothes are—that's the most accurate thing I've seen.” (Chris, 24:04)

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4. Peptide Mania & Wellness Culture in Fashion

The New Health Stack

• Lauren asks: “Do you take peptides?” [24:36]
• Chris’s peptide journey:
  • “Yeah, I mean, I don’t mean to boast, but I’ve been taking peptides for three or four years.” (Chris, 24:40)
  • Prescribed by Dr. Mike Carragher, an L.A. longevity specialist: “If you do this now, you’ll love it.” (24:53)
  • His focus: Sermorelin for muscle recovery, injects nightly.
  • “It’s unbelievable…issues with my elbows specifically from… weightlifting movements… gone.” (Chris, 27:59)
• Lauren’s observations from parties: “Literally every single person was talking about it. And you should see the stacks people sent me.” (Lauren, 25:42)
• Chris: “some of this is a little... a more advanced version of vitamins where if you want it to work, then it does.” [25:49]
• Noted “contradictions”:
  • “Everyone is stacking supplements and also smoking.” (Lauren, 26:53)
  • Chris: “They want to look hot and skinny and feel good... they're not worried about cancer. It's two different things.” (27:02)
• Lauren predicts a rise in health shortcuts may enable worse real habits (like GLP-1 usage for weight loss).
• Parisian vs. American difference in health obsessions: “No one is doing that here. Well, they're smoking…it's fine, it's fine. It's a different lifestyle.” (Lauren & Chris, 28:44)

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5. Marchesa/Georgina Chapman Financial Troubles

• Lauren details ongoing Marchesa drama:
  • Non-shipment of orders, mortgage default, and a public lawsuit by 16 ex-employees for unpaid wages. [30:23–31:58]
  • “It’s just fascinating.” (Lauren, 31:58)
• Chris is bemused at still being able to order off the website:
  • “That's really... interesting.” (Chris, 31:56)

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6. Gossip, Media, and Hollywood Shows

• Mentions of new tabloid launches (NY Post’s California edition) and their targets (Safdie Brothers’ alleged controversies).
• Riff on the coverage and differences in media strategy between New York and LA.
• Curious speculation: “Why did the Duplass brothers break up?” [33:41]

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7. What’s Next: Fashion Shows, Grammy Parties & Watch Parties

• Most anticipated shows: Calvin Klein NYFW, Kate, and Tory Burch [34:41–34:53].
• Chris: “I'll be here, which is nice, because I'm going to LA on Friday for the Grammys... We're going to do some partying.” [34:53]
• Lauren plugs upcoming guest Yasi Salek to discuss Grammy fashion.
• Both hosts reflect on music discovery (Shazam shoutout) and the vital role of show soundtracks.
• Discussion of Puck’s forthcoming Oscar de la Renta x Super Bowl watch party in NYC [38:15–39:15].

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8. Notable Quotes & Moments

• “I really appreciated Ralph kind of showing all of his imitators who's boss… it was actually pretty good and cool.”
  – Chris Black, 05:41
• "Everything looks like pretty wearable... it's not a freak show... which I think was always my beef with this kind of shit." – Chris Black, 07:25
• "One Dior is so dramatic. It sounds like a credit card or something." – Chris Black, 15:03
• "Mouth-breathing dork who turns the camera on and makes a fortune for not doing anything." – Chris Black, on streamers, 19:48
• "If you give us a hit, people won't care. But if you just keep talking, people aren't... going to give you the time of day." – Chris Black, on Kanye, 22:31
• "Everyone is stacking supplements and also smoking." – Lauren Sherman, 26:53
• "It's a good business because it's Reformation, but French, you know?" – Chris Black, on Jacquemus, 23:43
• "I don’t think we should disclose where it’s gonna be." – Lauren Sherman, on Super Bowl party, 38:52

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9. Timestamps of Important Segments

• Paris show week rundown: [01:04–05:12]
• Menswear and Celine/Dior in-depth: [05:12–15:35]
• Discussion of creative director burnout (“One Dior”): [15:00–16:20]
• Streamers & fashion: Kai Cenat: [19:26–22:47]
• Jacquemus and commercial fashion: [23:10–24:18]
• Peptide mania and wellness stacks: [24:36–28:44]
• Marchesa/Georgina Chapman money drama: [30:11–32:25]
• Gossip/media/NY Post LA launch: [32:48–34:31]
• Previewing women’s shows, Grammys, Super Bowl party: [34:31–39:15]

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10. Tone & Closing Thoughts

Tone

Conversational, irreverent, frank, and full of the kind of world-weary industry banter and affection for fashion’s oddities that fans of Lauren and Chris expect.

Closing

• Both hosts sign off with plans for LA, Grammy reporting, and New York Fashion Week/party schedules.
• Teasing next week: Grammy red carpet recap with Yasi Salek.

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Useful for newcomers:
This episode delivers frank, funny insights for anyone interested in what fashion insiders really say about the big brands, personalities, trends, and the curious collision of pop culture, TikTok, and luxury. If you care about what’s coming next—or love a bit of fashion gossip—don’t miss it.

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Transcript

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[Lauren Sherman]

Hello and welcome to Fashion People. I'm Lauren Sherman, writer of Puck's Fashion and Beauty Memo line sheet and today with me on the show is Chris Black, co host of How Long Gone and founder of Hanover. We're talking the men's shows, Dior Couture streamers, Peptides, Georgina Chapman's money problems, and so much more. Happy Tuesday everyone. I hope you're having a great week. I know it is weird in America right now and you know it's weird everywhere, but if you're listening to this, I aim to make you feel a little better and not think about terrible things for a while. I am currently in Europe for a bunch of stuff, including some Runway shows. I went to Dior Couture yesterday. I'm going to Chanel today. I went to Schiaparelli yesterday. I'm going to Armani today. I also went to Veronique's last Hermes menswear show. I went to. Where did I go? Oh, I went to Jacquemus on Sunday. It's been interesting and I've gotten to see some of you. I'm gonna head back to Los Angeles on Wednesday morning for a couple of weeks and then it's New York and Los Angeles again and back to Europe for an extended trip. So if I missed you this time, I'll see you in the spring. This week in Line Sheet you'll find my reports from everything that's going on over here. Some of the intel I'm getting on the ground, some of it I'm saving for a rainy day or to do more reporting. Lots of interesting stuff going on here. Plus, Rachel Strugatz, our beauty queen, is back with a new goop report. And Sarah Shapiro explains why a Goldie denim is so damn popular. If you are buying new denim, it's probably a Goldie. I'm a huge fan of feel jeans. Shout out to Stevie dance. One of the coolest ever. I'm obsessed with them, but I also like a Goldie, especially their denim shorts. So enjoy that. That's a little break from the break. And let's get going with Chris. Chris Black. Welcome back to Fashion People.

[Chris Black]

It's always a pleasure to be here. I'm looking at a snowy New York right out of my window here. I'm getting great light. I don't know if you can tell.

[Lauren Sherman]

But it is really nice. But don't you wish you were in Paris?

[Chris Black]

I mean, some of. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. I would say yesterday I definitely did. Today, it's a little more manageable.

[Lauren Sherman]

You're not into the snow thing? Because a lot of people are like, I love the snow.

[Chris Black]

You're lying. No one likes the snow. It impedes, it impedes your daily life in a way that is, like, for some insurmountable. I don't know. I, I'm not interested.

[Lauren Sherman]

I think it's nice. I, the thing I will say is I do like the cold weather.

[Chris Black]

I'm fine with that. I'm fine with that.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, it's in the 40s here, which is like the Mediterranean 40s. It doesn't feel like you don't even really need to button your coat. Like, you definitely don't need gloves here.

[Chris Black]

It's been cold. It's been cold this season in New York. It's been. I, I kind of like it, too, the cold. If it's cold and sunny, I'm totally fine. Once it starts snowing and I, I, I lose interest quickly.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, I understand. You know, I was thinking on the way back on the metro to this Airbnb that, like, if we end up mo time, I'm not going to be able to, like, sing songs at the top of my lungs anymore.

[Chris Black]

In what sense? You mean because of the decorum of the French people?

[Lauren Sherman]

It's just that, like, in a car, that's all I do.

[Chris Black]

Oh.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh. I'm just like, this is the. Because, you know, I only started driving at 38.

[Chris Black]

I did know you were a late bloomer, so.

[Lauren Sherman]

So I, my favorite thing is just to be, like, singing at the top of my lungs. I barely listen to podcasts anymore.

[Chris Black]

I'm the same way. I'm a big. I'm a huge air drummer. It's one of my greatest skills, which is, I think, often utilized best while driving.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. And I was singing this song on the way back, walking back here, I was like, I can't do this. I seem like a crazy person.

[Chris Black]

Yeah, keep it down a little bit. You could do it under your breath at least. But it doesn't have the same freeing effect.

[Lauren Sherman]

It's not the same.

[Chris Black]

It's not the same.

[Lauren Sherman]

Like, that's the best thing about driving. So. See, anyway, what did you think of the men's shows? They just finished. I feel like Noah Johnson, who was supposed to be on this podcast but didn't follow up quick enough. So I was like, chris, can you do this? He's going to be on later this week to talk about, like, the state of menswear. And now he has to do it because I said he's going to do it smart.

[Chris Black]

No, it's called, it's called guilting.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. There was a show. There was a show today. Like, it was just so long.

[Chris Black]

I mean, it's like it always is. Some of it's good and some of it's really bad. And that's, you know, I, I really appreciated Ralph kind of showing all of his imitators who's boss. Yeah, that was my personal favorite thing, just because it was actually pretty good and cool. It was good. I, I, I mean, I liked what everybody liked, like, or Lee. The colors are so nice. But I, I was really.

[Lauren Sherman]

I went to the showroom.

[Chris Black]

I mean, it's, it's sick. I'm going to be writing a personal order. I'm not going to front.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, I wrote a personal order, but.

[Chris Black]

I think that the, I think that the Celine. I'm really into these Celine repetitives. I'm really into them.

[Lauren Sherman]

I saw a guy, Michael Ryder, at Dior today, and I, like, didn't. I wasn't able to go up to him. And he's also, like, a little shy. He was talking to Philo about how shy he's. And I was like, I'm not going to bother him right now, but it's awesome.

[Chris Black]

It's so good. I just really had some flashbacks to when I, I used to wear white. I had black and white repetitives in, like, 2007, 2006.

[Lauren Sherman]

So, like, indie sleaze era. That was.

[Chris Black]

Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, I don't remember that. I mean, I don't know. I don't even really know where I got it from, because I was Never like a Serge Gainsburg apologist type. But I just think that they. I don't think I could wear them now, but I'm very happy to see them reappear. I don't fully understand the long tie, but that's okay. That's. That doesn't need to be for me.

[Lauren Sherman]

It looks so good. And at Dior, I sat next to Sammy Sussman from Vogue, who I bet, you know, she's cool. And she had on a little. At Hermes, they'd be called a Twilly. Like a little sash. Yeah, Celine. It looks so good. She was like, I just want a little thing. It looked so cute. I need to go there. I don't think I'm gonna have time on this trip, but I'll go in.

[Chris Black]

It's just so good. It's just everything looks like pretty wearable, you know, which is kind of nice. It's not some. It's not a freak show. It's not over the top. It's like. Even the stuff that's like more quote, unquote, crazy or experimental still feels like relatively wearable to me, which I think was always my beef with this kind of shit.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. Well, it's interesting because I did a thing on Monday about this. I feel like of all the 2025 debuts, he's really winning in terms of. I had a drink with a friend who works in marketing and another brand and is very much a person. It's not really in pr, It's. He's much more marketing. He's a person that, like, wherever he works, he wears head to toe the brand.

[Chris Black]

Sure dedicated.

[Lauren Sherman]

And he was like, I love the Celine stuff. I want to work there. And I feel like it's the first time since Loewe or Prada sort of is always like this for women's especially. But it's the first time I've seen industry people want to buy it. And that usually doesn't happen at these mega brands. Like, the industry people are kind of like, maybe I would buy a couple things. But most of them are like, I wear vintage, especially in Paris. Like, I feel like. But people are really into it. And I randomly walked by the Celine showroom on Saturday afternoon. I think the. The presentation was over, but I saw like a woman who works there outside, smoking. She had a pair of the red repettos on that were all beat up. And it just looked. They looked.

[Chris Black]

How much are. How much are they gonna hit for? I think they're sub. A thousand, right?

[Lauren Sherman]

They're under a thousand.

[Chris Black]

I mean, that's free. At this point, that's basically free. What? How much?

[Lauren Sherman]

250 bucks. That's what it means now.

[Chris Black]

Yeah, sure. I like that. I like that math. What do we think about the, the. Because a few people have mentioned to me the Dior belt buckle. The Dior belt, which I love it.

[Lauren Sherman]

Not.

[Chris Black]

I love it too.

[Lauren Sherman]

Not for me.

[Chris Black]

I love it.

[Lauren Sherman]

I love it. For the people who are going to.

[Chris Black]

Buy it, I love it too. But I haven't seen, I haven't. I haven't either taken the time or heard anyone say the price because I would be.

[Lauren Sherman]

It's not that crazy.

[Chris Black]

Okay, that's good to know. I looked it up because it's cool.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. You know what else is really affordable in the Dior collections is the jewel, the costume jewelry. It's like 500 bucks. And it's cute. Brian boy had on the daisy earrings.

[Chris Black]

I bet he did.

[Lauren Sherman]

He did. He looked, he looked fab.

[Chris Black]

I do have a, I think that that particular. I thought this is the one thing I do struggle with is when I see, like, young, Lean and Robert Pattinson and they look so cool and like almost normal. In a good way.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Chris Black]

And then, and then when the show starts, it's like a blouse. You know what I mean? It's like a sequined blouse. And I'm like, I think that's beautiful and well constructed, etc. Etc. But like, the guys that you're dressing in, the clothes look awesome and, like, so approachable. But I guess you have to do both. I know. That's the rule.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes. The guys from Challengers were at the couture show today and they looked adorable. And Josh o' Connor was wearing, like, a real normie outfit. The other guy, whose name I can't remember, but who's very cute, was wear sitting next to Sarah Mumbaiz. He was wearing like more of a blousy thing.

[Chris Black]

Yeah. I mean, I think the blousing thing can work in certain situations, but I think a shirt and tie, I will say that I take a little bit of issue with the untucked shirt with blazer. I've never felt okay about that personally, but maybe that's just my traditional views. I don't know. I, I, I think it looks cool on them, but I don't know if I would ever do it.

[Lauren Sherman]

I think that's you being from the south.

[Chris Black]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

From somewhere in the uk.

[Chris Black]

But you know what I mean. Right? Like, I noticed that. I noticed that.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. No, I think like, Jacob Gallagher did that story about the tie Thing and the ties backwards. And Scott Sternberg was like, this is stupid.

[Chris Black]

It is. It is stupid. Like, what are we doing?

[Lauren Sherman]

What did you think of the Dior men's versus the first collection? Because I know you came on the LA the last time you were on not to promote your own brand called Hanover. Hanover-usa.com you came on to talk about. And we both really liked the first. Your men's collection.

[Chris Black]

I did not like this as much for me neither.

[Lauren Sherman]

But, you know, it's funny, all the critics loved it. I thought it looked good. It was like a fully formed collection. I just like the proposal of the first one more.

[Chris Black]

I think that. I just. I just think it's like there were some. There's cool stuff. Like, there's things that I remember, but I just don't. I think sometimes things work and sometimes they don't. And this guy has got to be burnt the fuck out. I don't know how anybody can. You can't deliver that much all the time.

[Lauren Sherman]

I agree. I got to say, the couture was really good.

[Chris Black]

Yeah, but that's a different. To me, that's like a different proposition of. Of where the bar is. Like, you have to sort of. You have to bring. You got to find the Zen and the cocaine and get that thing done.

[Lauren Sherman]

The part of me thinks. And also it's different atelier. So that's the other thing. Like, it is a different group of people doing it. Part of me thinks they should have started with the couture because it was great. Like, it was beautiful.

[Chris Black]

Oh, you're saying, just come out of the gate with that. Set the tone.

[Lauren Sherman]

And it also did ladder back to all of the collections. Like, there was stuff in it. It was also. There was tons of, like, the color I felt really like, was pulled from the Raph era of Dior. And then there was a lot of, like, references to the John Galliano stuff. John Galliano was there.

[Chris Black]

I saw. I saw some video of Big John.

[Lauren Sherman]

He was there. He was very. I. I could see him from my seat, and he was looking very closely, and he and Anna would. Wintour would talk about it for a minute. It was. It was really interesting. But what I would say is there was also stuff, like, I saw from each of the collections he's done that you could see he sort of pulled it out. And then. I mean, it was amazing. The bags were amazing. It was really beautiful. And I've been to Dior couture collections before, and they're gorgeous because it's just like, when you see, clothes like that. There is a difference with the. The man, the production.

[Chris Black]

Yeah, that's a whole different thing. That's like a whole different operation in a good way.

[Lauren Sherman]

But it. What it made me realize is it's probably going to be fine. Especially also at Santi Bungalows. I already am seeing a bunch of ladies with those Dracula bags.

[Chris Black]

I have not seen a Dracula bag in person. I like the story behind that, and I like why he's choosing what he's choosing. You know, I'm glad there's not like a David Foster Wallace one, but it's. It's. I have not.

[Lauren Sherman]

That would be.

[Chris Black]

I have not seen one of those bags in real life yet. But I still carry my. My Dior book tote with my name on it all the time.

[Lauren Sherman]

I was talking to someone about this today, and it's like, for all the people that have the Dior book tote, this is. They're going to. They're going to upgrade to the. To the book book to see.

[Chris Black]

I. I would only buy that if it was a book that I really identified with.

[Lauren Sherman]

There is a book that they use that I love. I can't remember which one. Not Dracula.

[Chris Black]

No, Dracula.

[Lauren Sherman]

I forget which one it was. But I was like, I do like the color.

[Chris Black]

I like the color, though, the yellow. It's cool. Those bags are cool. They're really well made and they're a little small, like, for a man, to be honest. But I think that they're. I like the way they feel like the material is nice.

[Lauren Sherman]

The thing I will say is what this couture collection gave me great relief because it is too much stuff. The thing is, for years, all I wanted is for Louis Vuitton and Dior to have one designer, because it's so annoying to have these 50 different propositions. You go into a Dior store and half is one thing, half is the other. And I. They had this whole campaign within LVMH called One Dior. And I was always like, yes, they needed to be one Dior. And I still honestly, truly believe that about Von. I think they could have one person designing both.

[Chris Black]

One Dior is so dramatic. It sounds like a credit card or something. I like it. I like it.

[Lauren Sherman]

But then when it happened, I was like, oh, Matt Tubazi has 10 collections. I don't even. Jonathan probably has 25 collections. He has to do.

[Chris Black]

That's just. I don't. I mean. Well, I mean, I just don't. At a certain point, I don't care how much help you have. That's like a lot of job.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. And they have like, he's, he seems to be working really well with the jewelry designer and they're doing, I love honestly, the jewelry above all. And then obviously there's someone who does the kids and there's someone who does the home.

[Chris Black]

Yeah, you're not doing every little thing.

[Lauren Sherman]

I think he is going to eventually have more influence over that stuff and over the campaigns and things for sure. But it was interesting seeing the men's and then seeing the couture and the couture just like it clarified it for me. And also it was pretty. And I, I saw a woman leaving who was a client and she liked it. Like there were people talking. I think it's. It just made me think, okay, this is gonna take a couple years, but it's gonna work fine. And it's. He's gonna manage it. I mean, there's no one, I think, who's like as intelligent as him in those jobs. And so he can do all the strategy and sort of.

[Chris Black]

People really. People really love his ass.

[Lauren Sherman]

I mean, he's brilliant.

[Chris Black]

Sure. No, no, I just think that it's. It's rare for people to agree sort of across the board.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. I think that I'm very excited to see Chanel tomorrow and I will be comparing and contrasting them.

[Chris Black]

Yeah. I told you, I love the campaign. That, that choice, like, that's just. We tried to get. I tried to get Alex so to shoot an unnamed thing and he was down until we mentioned using his name like to be funny. And it was like the price went up. And I think, I mean, he's just one of the all time. I just think that if you're in those positions, that's what you should be doing. I don't know. That's what I would be doing. It's like if I have, if I have a never ending budget and could do whatever I want, I'm going to hire somebody besides Jurgen Teller.

[Lauren Sherman]

I. Yes.

[Chris Black]

I mean, and that's coming from someone who loves Jurgen Teller, but.

[Lauren Sherman]

And is really getting dragged this week. Have you seen this new anonymous account that like, there's this about the kissing.

[Chris Black]

Is this about the kissing? Is this about the kissing campaign where it's like him.

[Lauren Sherman]

They were mad about that and the BGA one. I personally, look, I have a lot to say about the BGA that I will maybe write in a future issue of L sheet. I think that that BOTEA campaign was fine and it, it was like a little tender, which I thought was nice. And I thought that it made the clothes look good, but everyone was. I think people didn't like either of them, to be honest.

[Chris Black]

I mean, I think people have gotten. I think people are very mad that it's like he feels like he's quote, unquote, phoning it in, which. Yeah, I mean, sure, I don't disagree. But I also think when he's good, he's good, you know? But it was cool that, like, Sarah did the stuff with Tyrone that was so good. Like, it was nice. It's nice to change it, you know? It's nice.

[Lauren Sherman]

I agree. And I thought the Chanel campaign a. That they're using that villa that she had, which is beautiful. They. They published a book.

[Chris Black]

We call that Storytelling in the Business.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. They're like, y Anna pill Peel team, the arts and culture team, published this gorgeous book that they sent to people over the holidays. And then for them to shoot the campaign there. And those girls just looked amazing. Well, they also look happy.

[Chris Black]

That's what I was about to say. They looked happy. Which I think is a funny. It's crazy that that's so surprising.

[Lauren Sherman]

I know.

[Chris Black]

I think that's what we're, like, responding to. It's like somebody's happy is what we're responding to.

[Lauren Sherman]

I heard it's a banger. It's that it's really good, that it's mega. These are the. These are the words that people have seen it, have said to me. So we'll see. But I'm very excited.

[Chris Black]

I'm sure. I'm sure he'll deliver.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. Yeah, it'll be fun.

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[Lauren Sherman]

One thing that you observed during Men's Fashion Week, and you messaged me, and you were like, this streamer guy is going to be a fashion designer. Can you explain who this person sent it?

[Chris Black]

Kai Sinot.

[Lauren Sherman]

Who is this person and why?

[Chris Black]

He's like a. He's a young. I don't know how old he is. He's quite young. But he's.

[Lauren Sherman]

What is a streamer, Chris? Can you explain that to us?

[Chris Black]

It's a. I mean my, my personal opinion. It's a mouth breathing dork who turns the camera on and makes a fortune for not doing anything.

[Lauren Sherman]

Is this, this guy that Dan listens to, like and key NKTSB or whatever?

[Chris Black]

This is. This is this guy's. No, what I'm saying is this guy turns on his camera and he's online for seven or eight hours and he's just sitting in his room and like Kevin Hart will come and Drew Ski will come. It's like a celebrity. People come to promote their albums because he's got the. He has more eyeballs than basically anyone else.

[Lauren Sherman]

Okay.

[Chris Black]

And he is now his girlfriend broke up with him and he had some mental health issues and he stopped streaming to become a fashion designer. Is his. His words.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Chris Black]

He posted a job listing for, For I wish the. I wish a Union heard this. $30,000 a year to help him design his front. And then he. But he's been going to all these fashion shows and he's. And he's obviously heavy security. Like people taking pictures of him of course, because he's so well known. But he's carrying around this sort of like tattered high school looking moleskin.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Chris Black]

And it's his journal for his brand and he's opening it and showing people like sketches and collages and like Polaroid pictures. He's showing like the paparazzi this at like the kid super show. So he's going to other people's show and like show. It's crazy. He doesn't really. I don't think he really knows what he's gotten into.

[Lauren Sherman]

Do you think he's actually gonna retire?

[Chris Black]

No, I. There's. There's rumors that there's some. Something more nefarious at play. Like he needed to stop for XYZ reason and this is a new pivot. I don't know any of this to be true, but it's. It's fascinating that these guys who are making I would say the most amount of money for the least amount of work want to stop doing that. To go try to make. This is. It's Kanye's fault. Like they think they can get rich making clothes and they can't.

[Lauren Sherman]

Apparently. There was some announced. Kanye made some announcement today.

[Chris Black]

He took out an apology. He took out a full page ad in the Wall Street Journal and wrote an apology for his.

[Lauren Sherman]

Because he has.

[Chris Black]

Well, he Said it's. Yeah, he said it's several things about his diagnosis and how, you know, doctors would write it off as this and that and blah, blah, blah.

[Lauren Sherman]

I did hear from a source close to the situation about a month and a half ago about this accident thing.

[Chris Black]

What accident thing?

[Lauren Sherman]

Didn't he. Doesn't he saying it? I honestly haven't read it, so I. We need to fact check it. But like that he got in an accident, like.

[Chris Black]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

And it like messed up.

[Chris Black]

I don't.

[Lauren Sherman]

Like fluid in his brain or something.

[Chris Black]

Sure. Look, sure. I mean, I'm.

[Lauren Sherman]

This is what I. And I heard this a month and a half ago from someone.

[Chris Black]

I believe. I believe, I believe that could be true. But I think that at a certain point it's like. I don't know, man. I. I don't. I don't know if any. If you give us a hit, people won't care. But if you just keep talking, people aren't. Aren't going to give you the time of day.

[Lauren Sherman]

I mean, his fashion brand, he never launched any of that stuff.

[Chris Black]

I mean, I think that he ships some of it, like the $20 shoes I know shipped at some point, but let's see if Kai Sonat can. Can go toe to toe with them. Oh my God. I'm really happy to be the one to tell you about that because it was a big. He went to every show. I mean, not every. He didn't go to the big ones. He didn't waste his time at Jacques Moose, but you know what I mean? Like, he. He went to the ones that like, mattered.

[Lauren Sherman]

I had a great time at Jacob.

[Chris Black]

We gotta stop. We gotta stop the, the fake rollout for his grandmother. We gotta stop, bro.

[Lauren Sherman]

But here is the thing I will say I went backstage first of all, so many people. I'll tell you offline who they were, but so many people DM me, a friend of mine who's a director, a friend of mine who has a lot of money and owns a lot of businesses, loved it. To me, this is the issue with.

[Chris Black]

I'm not saying it's not a good bit. I don't know what they loved. It's a good business because it's reformation, but French, you know?

[Lauren Sherman]

Exactly. I get that it is not a designer brand. It's a contemporary brand. Whatever the price point is. And I think the industry people are like, please stop. Where the reality of it is that, like, people love this. It looks like it would be in a movie. It's like a fashion brand.

[Chris Black]

And a movie it looks like I saw somebody describe it is what Emily in Paris thinks clothes are. And that's the most accurate thing I've seen.

[Lauren Sherman]

They should have hired him to design the clothes in Emily in Paris.

[Chris Black]

The dress where like the top was the head. It's too much.

[Lauren Sherman]

About once a week, someone from Hollywood calls me and is like, we want to do a show about fashion. And I go and meet with them for an hour. And I'm like, what you can't do is have clothes on a Runway because it will never feel believable. But if Jackamus did them, then it would be real.

[Chris Black]

That would feel believable. You're right.

[Lauren Sherman]

Another thing I wanted to ask you about is peptides. Do you take them?

[Chris Black]

Yeah, I mean, I don't mean to boast, but I've been taking peptides for three or four years.

[Lauren Sherman]

Is. Is your peptide person someone?

[Chris Black]

No.

[Lauren Sherman]

Is it also Jason's peptide person?

[Chris Black]

No, I get them.

[Lauren Sherman]

It's not out this person, but I.

[Chris Black]

Got them from a. I got. I get them from Dr. Mike Carragher is his name. He's in Los Angeles. He's a. He's a. A men's aging specialist who I heard about from along.

[Lauren Sherman]

You mean a longevity specialist?

[Chris Black]

That's right. I met him through a very in shape older gay man who was like, if you do this now, Nick Wooster, if you start this now, you'll love it.

[Lauren Sherman]

Let's say his name.

[Chris Black]

He was like, chris, you should start this now. Because I started it later.

[Lauren Sherman]

And yeah, and he looks amazing.

[Chris Black]

I only take one. It's called sermon. And it's basically for like recovery. So like I. I like, I used to have like joint pain and all this shit that is now gone thanks to. Thanks to this. But I have to give myself a shot every night, which is annoying.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. Well, I wrote about it after going I saw Party.

[Chris Black]

Oh, I know where. I know all about.

[Lauren Sherman]

Know where I was.

[Chris Black]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

Literally every single person was talking about it. And you should see the stacks people sent me.

[Chris Black]

Yeah. I'm just insane. I mean, I think that. I think some of this stuff is a little bit like a little. A more advanced version of vitamins where if you want it to work, then it does. And I'm fine with. I'm fine with that. You know what I mean? I'm fine. If it makes me feel better, whether that's mental or real or a mix of both, I'm okay with that.

[Lauren Sherman]

Well, I. I do notice a difference when I've taken NAD plus.

[Chris Black]

Yeah. I do.

[Lauren Sherman]

Like in inflammation and all that stuff.

[Chris Black]

Yeah, all that stuff's real.

[Lauren Sherman]

It's powerful. Like, get. Have a doctor do this, guys.

[Chris Black]

I mean, I. I started. I mean, my doctor. I get my blood taken every quarter and they analyze the results and then tweak. Tweak things based on that.

[Lauren Sherman]

But you're not taking copper.

[Chris Black]

No, no, no. I mean, I would if somebody told me it worked.

[Lauren Sherman]

What do you think is gonna be the result of this? Because the most interesting thing at this.

[Chris Black]

Culturally, you mean?

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, because at this event I was at, literally every single person was like, this is my stack. And also was smoking.

[Chris Black]

Yeah. Well, you're talking to also a certain kind of person with a certain kind of disposable income.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes.

[Chris Black]

At a. At. With a certain level of vanity because of the job that they do.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes. But also the fact that they were smoking, like, that's the interesting thing.

[Chris Black]

Two different things. Two different things.

[Lauren Sherman]

I think it's going to allow for poor taking care of yourself in normal life. Because if you're like this. This has happened with GLP1s. I think a lot of people eat, like, because they don't. Can't eat a lot, so they're like, I'll just eat a little bit of the shitty thing.

[Chris Black]

Yeah, I think that's probably true to an extent, but I think that the. I think that the kind of. I think most people who smoke casually like that are completely like, they're not. They want to look hot and skinny and feel good. They don't think about. They're not worried about cancer. It's like two different things.

[Lauren Sherman]

True. I'm true. I mean that, though. But the thing is, you're supposed to be worried about all of it, because.

[Chris Black]

You can't worry about all that. We're all gonna die.

[Lauren Sherman]

We're all gonna die, but we might live to. We're 120.

[Chris Black]

I. I definitely am not gonna. I don't want to live till I'm 125, sir.

[Lauren Sherman]

So whatever is sermon.

[Chris Black]

Because I want to lift weights and not have elbow pain.

[Lauren Sherman]

Does it really help with that?

[Chris Black]

Yeah, like, it's unbelievable. I used to. I used to be like. I would have issues all the time with my elbows specifically from, like, specific, certain weightlifting movements. And now those are, for the most part, gone.

[Lauren Sherman]

I have noticed that I have a little tennis elbow from doing a lot of the legree stuff.

[Chris Black]

Yeah, it's all. You're putting so much pressure on. On the joints.

[Lauren Sherman]

I just think I can't have another doctor.

[Chris Black]

I mean, you can Just buy it then. Just buy it. Mix it yourself. I trust you. Trust you. Comes in powder, but you can make into liquid.

[Lauren Sherman]

I think someone should do a chart of the rise in cigarette smoking and the rise in this stuff because I just feel like everyone is smoking again and.

[Chris Black]

Yeah, but I think it's. I think, I think it's unrelated. I think.

[Lauren Sherman]

I don't. I. Okay, well, it's very interesting. I sat down at dinner last night with friends here in Paris and they were like, tell us everything because no one is doing that here.

[Chris Black]

Well, they're smoking.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes.

[Chris Black]

Oh, you're saying they're not doing well? Yeah, they barely exercise. They think, they think, you know, a croissant has protein in it. You know, it's fine, it's fine. It's a different lifestyle.

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[Lauren Sherman]

Chris, did you hear about Georgina Chapman's latest issues?

[Chris Black]

What's wrong with my Queen?

[Lauren Sherman]

So she.

[Chris Black]

Did she have to. Did she get caught selling Adrien Brody's paintings that he gave to her as gifts?

[Lauren Sherman]

Adrien Brody is not in this narrative, which I'm like, where is he? So basically, last year, at the beginning of the last March during Fashion Week, I got all these sort of tips and stuff and I looked into it and they were not shipping Marchesa's website, which somehow Marchesa, the brand Harvey Weinstein adjacent, is still run by Georgina. And Georgina used to have a business partner or a design partner, Karen Craig. She's not involved. Georgina and her brother Edward still run this business. I don't know how it's funded. I don't. I Think I figured it out. You can read the story online sheet. I honestly, I don't remember, but they like were having trouble shipping stuff and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I was like, this business is not going to be around in, in six months. Then in the fall there was some apartment that she and her brother like took the mortgage over and it, they defaulted and it went into foreclosure or something. Then on January 15th and shout out to the Daily Mail Extra or whatever, because the reporter there did all the.

[Chris Black]

Work and she is all like public records.

[Lauren Sherman]

So you just have to dig all public records. She found that 16 employees had sued them for not paying their, them 16, 16. Basically all the, all of the employees they haven't paid. And so, but the website is still up and running and they have full.

[Chris Black]

Like you could place an order. Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

Huh.

[Chris Black]

That's really, that is really interesting.

[Lauren Sherman]

The question for me, like, I understand they're a couple and it's not whatever, like it has nothing to do with, but it's just an, it's just fascinating.

[Chris Black]

Like I saw them at Whole Foods once and she looked great.

[Lauren Sherman]

She looks great. And is, is from all, by all accounts a very nice person.

[Chris Black]

That is strange.

[Lauren Sherman]

I mean, really weird.

[Chris Black]

I'm sure. So I'm sure it will be revealed. I mean, the Daily Mail. I didn't know anybody paid for that. I've been tempted so many times to pay for the Daily Mail plus, but I, I, I've, it feels one step too far.

[Lauren Sherman]

It's honestly, that's where the good reporting is. Though eventually this article did get unplussed. So what they do when the Natalie Massenet, Eric Torrensen thing happened. Yeah, it was on Daily Mail Plus. And then they eventually unplus it.

[Chris Black]

They milk it and then they. Okay, have you, did you see the, the, the new California edition of the New York Post launch today?

[Lauren Sherman]

I didn't see it launched, but I'm so excited for it.

[Chris Black]

It's. The COVID is about the Safdie. It's a cover about the Safdie brothers and how like an underage girl. It's pretty gnarly.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh my God.

[Chris Black]

I mean, we'll see.

[Lauren Sherman]

I think I want to know.

[Chris Black]

It's not, it's about a movie. It's not like them personally, but it's like, it's basically like why they actually have beef because no one could get the real story from them. But that's the COVID of the first one. So it's. But I was talking earlier to someone about it and I was like, well, yeah, this is. They seem like they're trying to go after, like, a deadline more than an LA Times, you know, which might be better.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Chris Black]

That's interesting, because the New York Post is. I mean, obviously it's a rag, but everybody looks at it.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Chris Black]

You know, if you can replicate that. If you can replicate that in California, I think, and. And maybe Hollywood is the crux. Instead of, like another sub stack. I feel like it might actually, you know, work.

[Lauren Sherman]

Maybe they can find out why the Duplass brothers broke up.

[Chris Black]

I want to know why all brothers break up. I always.

[Lauren Sherman]

I think the Duplass brothers, I think we'd have. It's like a therapy session. It's not going to be interesting.

[Chris Black]

I just don't. I just want it to always. I always just assume it's money because that's all anybody really cares about. But I guess other.

[Lauren Sherman]

There's other reasons they did do something. What's the one that's not Mark Duplass?

[Chris Black]

Oh, I don't know.

[Lauren Sherman]

J. Duplass.

[Chris Black]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

He lives in my neighborhood, and they did something at Vidiots that.

[Chris Black]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

Theater. And. And for the Puffy chair. And Mark and his wife Katie, they all did it together, so they're still family. But I don't think it's gonna be as interesting as the Safdie brothers thing.

[Chris Black]

No. Everybody's twisted. Everybody's twisted. But I. I'm excited to see what they do over there at the New York Post. I think it's gonna be. I think it could be. I think it could work.

[Lauren Sherman]

Me, too. Chris, what are you excited for? For the women's shows in. In February. I know you're pumped. I mean, you're really looking.

[Chris Black]

Obviously. Obviously. Calvin Klein in New York. Number one. Number one.

[Lauren Sherman]

The only. Only one. That. And Kate.

[Chris Black]

Tory Burch. My queen.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, yes. No, that is really the only one.

[Chris Black]

I. I can't wait. No, that's about it. I don't. I really. I mean, I'll be here, which is nice, because I'm going to LA on Friday for the Grammys. We're going to do some partying, and then we're going to Jason. I are going to record some stuff. So fun. I'm looking forward to that.

[Lauren Sherman]

You know who's going to be on the podcast next week to talk about Grammy fashion?

[Chris Black]

Who?

[Lauren Sherman]

Our friend, Yassi Salik.

[Chris Black]

Oh, wow. Okay.

[Lauren Sherman]

I'm really excited.

[Chris Black]

That's. I wonder. I really didn't know where you were gonna go with that, because Grammy fashion has. I don't think is much to write home about.

[Lauren Sherman]

I literally have never thought about it ever. But I thought that would be fun.

[Chris Black]

No, y' all see, y', all, y' all see, it'll be funny because also I feel like neither of you will. Like, we don't know who half the people are.

[Lauren Sherman]

And that's, I don't know who any.

[Chris Black]

Of them, but I'm saying too, that's people who pay attention. Like, like, I think y' all see might even be in the same boat.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, interesting.

[Chris Black]

Like, it's, that it's gotten that crazy for some of these categories. I mean, I'm, she's more of an expert than most people I know.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes.

[Chris Black]

But it's like I can even look at that and be like, I don't, I don't know who that is.

[Lauren Sherman]

Here's a question for you. How do you discover new music now?

[Chris Black]

Well, I'm, I, People send me stuff, so I'm in a lucky position as far as that goes. Like friends or other musicians or whatever I read, I still read like, stereo gum and all those web. Those websites are still the best way to, like, discover new music. I don't, I don't listen to playlists. I don't really use, like, the algorithmic features on Apple Music or like, Spotify, but I think that, I don't know, I, I, I'm a little more plugged in than the regular person because I choose to be.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, I think that the algorithm on I, I never listen to use my Spotify, but I think the algorithm on Apple music is pretty good.

[Chris Black]

You know what I, you know what I also use a lot is Shazam. I love Shazam. Yeah, I use it, I better use it every day if I'm, like, out and about. Like, when I was in Japan, I used Shazam three times a day.

[Lauren Sherman]

I use it at fashion shows.

[Chris Black]

It's great. Well, fashion, I mean, that's, that's why I'm excited about Kate. Kate. Best music in, in the industry.

[Lauren Sherman]

So good. Every time staying there, I, I would leave on the afternoon of the 14th if it wasn't for Kate. But I'm gonna stay and miss Chris Chang's part.

[Chris Black]

I know I'm missing that party, too. That's a great party.

[Lauren Sherman]

It's really fun. And I'm like, I'd rather be at home with my husband and not at, in New York, but I'm going to stay for her because I found out.

[Chris Black]

Today that I have to, I'm going to be in San Francisco for a meeting. The Same night as the. As the day of the gq. Tom Brown.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh.

[Chris Black]

So I'm going to. I'm going to. I'm going to go. Which I'm excited about.

[Lauren Sherman]

So fun. Yeah. It was just announced today.

[Chris Black]

I just happened to. I was. I assumed it was going to be the next day for some reason, so I was like, I'll just miss it. I'm not going to move my flight. But it's the same day.

[Lauren Sherman]

If you could do a designer for that, who would you do?

[Chris Black]

Oh, that's tough. I mean, Tom's perfect because there's the history of football. That's the thing.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. You did that fc. You worked on the FC Barcelona.

[Chris Black]

Yeah. But I mean, those Tom Brown football games in the park were so. That was so fun to be a part of because people would get, like, just a little bit competitive enough to, like, make it fun.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Chris Black]

I don't know. I mean, I think Ralph would obviously be good. Something that. It's got to be something that sort of has some sort of, like, sport connection. I don't feel like you can just force, you know, a square peg into a round hole.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Chris Black]

But I think it's a smart. I mean, I think that, like, the Boaty win last year worked. It was a good. It's a good idea to do it. Like, that's where people are, you know?

[Lauren Sherman]

It's really fun.

[Chris Black]

I don't know why. I don't know why. Yeah, it's where, like, everyone's eyes are for that weekend. You might as well cash in.

[Lauren Sherman]

Puck is having a Super bowl party with Oscar de la Renta. I'm very excited.

[Chris Black]

Where is it? In LA or here?

[Lauren Sherman]

It's in New York.

[Chris Black]

Oh, wait, I think we got invited to this.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. You rsvp.

[Chris Black]

Oh.

[Lauren Sherman]

I. Yeah, it was definitely in the meeting. Chris Black and his wife are coming to this.

[Chris Black]

I think that.

[Lauren Sherman]

You don't have to.

[Chris Black]

No, Alex did. I remember now. Alex brought this up to me. Okay. So it's on. It's. It's during the shoot. It's like an actual watch party.

[Lauren Sherman]

It's gonna be really fun.

[Chris Black]

Where is it?

[Lauren Sherman]

You don't care about football, right?

[Chris Black]

No, I mean, I like anything and the finals level. Because then it's like, there's some real stakes.

[Lauren Sherman]

I don't think we should disclose where it's gonna be.

[Chris Black]

Okay, fair enough. But is it somewhere I want to go?

[Lauren Sherman]

Sure. It's gonna be fun. What I will tell you is I.

[Chris Black]

Will you dress me. Can I wear Oscar de la Renta?

[Lauren Sherman]

I don't think they have any men's stuff. You can wear one of the blazers that I'm not. I. I was like, I would like to wear an Oscar de la Rent a blazer. So they sent me a couple to try, but I. You could wear, like, a floral brooch.

[Chris Black]

Okay, sure. I actually, you know, I'm sure I have a few floral brooches in my jewelry box. I should go check.

[Lauren Sherman]

If you don't have anything to do. Here's the thing. A lot of people want to watch it at home. It's going to be really fun. They're gonna have, like, really good food. They're gonna have cheerleaders. And I don't want to say too much because cheerleaders.

[Chris Black]

All right, Friday night.

[Lauren Sherman]

I don't want to, like, give anything.

[Chris Black]

No, but this. Remind this room. I mean, I think that we did. We did, like, a Wimbledon watch thing with J. Crew at the Nine Orchard. It was so. It was so fun. I remember the same thing was like, I would watch this at home, but more fun in a group setting.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, I agree. Chris, this was so fun.

[Chris Black]

A pleasure always being here.

[Lauren Sherman]

Have fun at the Grammys. Maybe I'll see you in la.

[Chris Black]

Oh, I'll see you in la. You bet. You better believe it. All right, thanks for having me. I'll talk to you soon.

[Lauren Sherman]

Thank you. Fashion People is a presentation of Odyssey in partnership with Puck. This show was produced and edited by Molly Nugent. Special thanks to our Example executive producers Puck co founder John Kelly, executive editor Ben Landy, and director of editorial operations, Gabby Grossman. An additional thanks to the team at Odyssey, JD Crowley, Jenna Weiss Berman, and Bob Tabador.