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Fashion in Pop Culture: Venice Film Festival, U.S. Open, Oasis in Pasadena Edition
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Hello and welcome to Fashion People. I'm Lauren Sherman, writer of Puck's fashion and beauty Memo line sheet. And today with me on the show is Amanda Dobbins, host of the Ringers Jam session and the Big Picture. We're talking fashion on and off the screen at the Venice Film Festival. The best dressed players on and off the court at the US Open. Liam Gallagher's jackets and so much more. Happy Tuesday everyone. Hope you had a great weekend. I am back in New York for a short trip. Fashion shows, events, etc. Tonight I'm actually recording a live session of Fashion people. It's about the state of resale with the real real and some friends of the pod including Marissa Meltzer. You all know her. Erica Virink. I think I should have her on actually one on one very soon. Our very own Sarah Shapiro and the Real Real's Kristin Naiman. So that's happening at the WSA building at 5pm tonight. If you are stopping by, please say hello. Then I'm hosting another event on Thursday, a dinner with Starbucks at Chateau Royale, this new restaurant in the West Village. So just a little context, Starbucks Bucks has this whole new executive team. They have a new chief brand officer. And I think you're gonna see them showing up like this in a lot of interesting places, events, fashion related events, serving espresso martinis and good stuff like that. I will be drinking one, obviously. I love. I love Martini too. At the most, I will have more on that later this week or next or whenever I have time to talk about it. But because as always, there is so much going on. It's New York Fashion Week. It's September. I don't know where to start. It'll all be online. She and let's get going with Amanda. This is a fun one. Amanda Dobbins, welcome back to Fashion People.
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Hello, Lauren. Thank you for having me.
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It's been so long. A whole 12 hours.
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Well, since I've seen you, Fashion People itself, it's been longer.
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That is true. That is true.
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I'm a devoted listener, though. So for me, yeah, you know, it's just coming home.
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I appreciate it. I. I feel like we do catch up on each other's respective podcasts and sometimes I'm like, did Amanda tell me that in real life or did I just hear it on her podcast? But you have been gone from our home of Los Angeles for an entire month.
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Yes, I've been on the road. The tables have turned. It's normally you on the road and me sitting here podcasting. And I took August off. I had some parental leave that I then blended into a work trip to the Venice Film Festival. So it was fun. It's also very nice to be back.
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I'm so happy you're back. And now I have to leave. But we did get to go to Oasis last night.
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We did.
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Really quickly.
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How did you feel about Oasis?
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Yes. And then we need to talk about one fashion item.
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Okay. I had a great time. I did not attend the ERAs tour, nor have I ever seen Beyonce in concert, which I'm embarrassed to say out loud. I would like to see her. It's just that tickets have been a real hurdle. You secured the Oasis tickets for us, so this is the one that I was able to attend. But it did feel like a similar generational Disneyland moment for people of our generation.
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It's true. It felt. I also have never been to any concert at a stadium So I was like, wow, this is such a communal, amazing experience. It was great. But it did feel. I kept remarking to you about the graphics on the screen, which.
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I loved them.
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They were, they were amazing. But also it was like a scrapbook of our lives for the past 30 years. And I was kind of like, oh, my God. It was, it was really fun. I'm glad we went and you and I. You saw one person, you know. Right. I didn't run into anyone I know specifically, though.
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Apparently another friend of mine was also in our section, but I didn't get to see. I didn't see him. We. We put it together today.
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Yeah. And. And our friend Molly ran into many of her friends, which was very exciting.
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Yes.
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Afterwards I was like, I saw every person posting. A lot of people I know had floor seats, which I don't know if that means. If those are those really expensive.
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I think that they are expensive and they're harder to get to. And it's also a level of commitment that I, We. We weren't going to be in the mosh pit and that's fine to know about ourselves. We were there for the vibe and. But I respect everyone who was there. I believe my friend Yassi Salik, and your friend as well, was. Was on the floor.
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Yeah, I believe that makes that track.
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Yes.
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I was, I was happy that we were in chairs so we could kind of sit for a couple of weeks.
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We took a break during Noel's like 15 minute solo set.
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I was not, because I was thinking about my experience with Oasis and I remember I was very into British culture in the 90s, like many people were. And I loved British Vogue. I was a hu. British Vogue person. High street H and M. That's where I learned about all that stuff. And I liked them. I had definitely, maybe, but I wasn't super into them and I haven't been following their trials and tribulations as humans so closely, especially not living in the UK when they're probably on the COVID of a magazine every other week still. But you could really feel the emotion in, In Noel's performance.
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Yeah, no, he was, he was glad to have his moment and also I think to. To be making his dollars, you know, because of recent life changes. I'm just speculating.
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Yes. And so I wanted to briefly speak about Liam's outfit.
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Oh, yeah.
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And his look.
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Sure.
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First of all, the leather covered Mara maracas. Is that what the.
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I, I believe if they are. If they're a more specialized percussion instrument, they are related. They're in the Maraca family. How about that?
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It's a real choice, as you would say. And I was just taken with his whole thing. And then he had the tambourine and the maracas together, but his look. And afterwards, we were walking out and our husbands went. Molly Creedon, our friend, your husband, and my husband all went together for reasons we don't want to get into here. It could be an hour long podcast.
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Everyone, Everyone had a nice night.
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Everyone had a great time, and we.
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Reunited at the end.
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Yes, it was very sweet. My friend, our friend Pam was there too, and we all, like, met our husbands and hugged them. And she was just kind of like looking at her phone. It felt like New Year's, like the New Year's Eve or something. We were all like, ah. But we were talking about, what was Noel wearing? I mean, what was Liam wearing? Sorry. Definitely Liam. And he is a Stone island ambassador. So I was like, oh, it must be Stone Island. And your husband Zach said, no, it was probably CP Company, which is the same founder, parent company. I don't know if CP Company's actually owned by Montclair Stone Islanders. Anyway, in the end, Zach was able to source it. Yes, it was ymc, which is a brand I have not thought of. It's such a London, East London brand. What do you think about Liam's uniform of this sort of jacket that's almost a poncho and just like a lot of fabric.
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A lot of fabric. Then into the very specific aviator, like, esque sunglasses. I mean, you know, there's. I'm sure that they cost thousands of dollars and someone can ID them. And then like, the bucket hat for the final few songs. No one is cooler than Liam Gallagher to me, and no one has been cooler than Liam Gallagher for what, 40 years now. And I, I loved the look. I would like to think that I could pull off that coat. I asked my husband about it and he was like, yeah, it's long. Sold out. Like, good luck, Amanda. I had some questions. It was quite warm here in Los Angeles and in Pasadena. And it is a long sleeved, voluminous, windbreaker esque jacket. So I, you know, we were speculating about, like, cooling mechanisms that might be happening, whether there are multiple jackets throughout the course of an evening. I would like to know how many of the coats he owns and is, like, taking on tour.
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You know, it's a good story for GQ to write, actually.
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I think so as well. But no, I thought he looked amazing. And, you know, as is Oasis traditional, the comparison between Liam And Noel, who's just showing his age and Liam is, in his own way, like, like, let's be real. This was like old people. Woodstock. Right. Like we, I was thinking about being 10, listening to what's the Story Morning Glory, which was a long time ago. So we're all, It's a privilege to age, as they say, and we're all doing it together. But Liam has, has the style down a bit more than Noel does.
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Yeah. And he covered himself up more, which I think helped. I would say there had to be some sort of air conditioner because Noel, who was more exposed, was not sweating like crazy.
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Okay. So like an air conditioner, like up.
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On the stage, something, something in there because there was no wind. They weren't like nothing was blowing on them. But they, they had to have something because if, if it was hot up there, I guarantee that Noel would have been sweating pro. Profusely. And he was not. He looked a little dewy, but he was, he looked, they both looked extremely calm and relaxed, especially because they had a car waiting for them.
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If anything, a bit perfunctory because, you know, the set list is, like, well publicized. But they played some, some of the. Definitely. Maybe what's the Story stuff at the beginning. Then, like, you know, wandered through, like, Noel's personal wilderness. And then literally, like, the last three songs were in order. Don't Look Back in Anger, Wonderwall, A Champion Supernova they just saved. And then they were like, goodbye. And you could see the car waiting then, like, it was very. Well, I wonder if Liam and Noel share a car or whether that was Liam's car waiting. And no, as Noel was like, waving goodbye and then his car showed up. But yeah, they were, I thought they sounded great and I had an amazing time. But it was also like, this is a nice business transaction that we're all having.
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Yes. Well, what I realized is there may not be a time when I go to a concert that isn't a show. That is a band I liked. That's not a band I liked in high school.
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School.
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Like, I feel like from now on, there may be. I might discover a couple new bands. I, I, I probably go to like three or four shows a year, so it's not.
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Which is more than I do, honestly.
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It's. I, you know, I'm very into waxahachie. She's probably 10, 15 years younger than me, so that makes me feel quite young. I know all of her songs and have gone to see her a few times in the.
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I went to a Waxahachie concert once ran into younger colleagues of mine who, upon seeing me, said, and I quote, what are you doing here? So that was a reality check.
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Was it the one at the church?
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No, it was somewhere. It was pre pandemic.
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So I. I was supposed to go to one at a church, and I think I got Covid or something. Anyway, anyway, it was a lot to reflect on. Lots of style. And it did make me think that those kinds of stadium concerts, I will now consider going to them more because it was super fun.
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It was fun and it was. It is very different than going to see, like, a small club show. Waxahachie, whatever. Everyone was wearing their Oasis merch. Like, there were many bucket hats. Not as many bucket hats in the beginning as we expected, but. But people. It did have sort of like, I don't really go to festivals, but a festival feel or like a holiday feel. It was like, oh, here we're all together. And that was. That was really nice.
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Yeah. I feel like obviously we are not in New York, but it feels like the US Open has a similar feel this year. I just got off the phone with a friend in New York, and he's not going. But we were talking about the fact that, like, when I live there, I'm not a big tennis person. I was invited a few. Every year I'm invited by at least one brand, which is very nice. I've never said yes. And now, because I don't live here, but previously, to be honest, I was like, I can't deal with this. It's really far. It's hot and gross. At that time of year in New York. I think now tennis has become such a big part of pop culture, of what's left of pop culture, and there is a communal feeling to it. Everybody watches it all weekend. The tennis players are becoming like real serious stars. Everyone dresses up. There's a little red carpet thing that they do. As a tennis fan, how do you feel about it? Like, being on the main stage?
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As a tennis fan, I feel really upset that you've never accepted an invitation to the US Open. I have accepted and taken, like, brands who are listening. We will come to, you know, we'll.
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Come to new next year. Let's go.
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Okay. I mean, I might have to work it around the Venice Film Festival because this is. This is probably. I'm. I have done all my Instagram research, but this is sadly the least amount of tennis that I have w of a major tournament that I've watched because I was in Italy and it just didn't even though there were many Italians late into the stages of the tournament. We're recording as the men's final is being played. So I don't know whether Yannick Sinner won, but he's Italian.
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Maybe we can book something where. On your way back.
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Yeah.
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Your family meets you in New York.
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Oh, that's a great idea.
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We go as a family to New York, and then we can go.
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That sounds wonderful.
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I feel like a brand would get so much content.
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Right.
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I was invited by a few people. And also, let's just talk about the fact that Dylan Byers is sitting front row at the men's right now. Wow. Good for him. Yeah. Congrats to Dylan. I will find out.
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He's a tennis fan, right?
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He's a big tennis fan. I did get a screenshot from another reporter from another publication saying, oh, my God, Dylan is sitting courtside at the Open. He looks really dashing. He's wearing a white shirt and a navy blazer and a pocket square. And we believe. I believe he is sitting next to a TV personality called journalist called Stephanie Rule.
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Okay.
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Pretty famous. So I don't know if he's there with her. I have no idea, but I'll. I'll find out.
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It is nice that the U.S. open is getting some of, like, the Wimbledon glam, you know, in terms of. There's not a royal box, but there are now boxes, and you're looking for the celebrities as. I mean, and to some extent, it's. It. It has been that way. You. When I lived in New York, we went to the US Open every year. Um, the first birthday present my husband ever gave me was actually tickets to the. To the men's semis at the US Open, which. Which I don't know if this is still the case, but in my day, that was the best bang for your buck because you got all. You got both matches on a Friday. So. And that was in, like. That was in the Djokovic, Nadal, Federer, Murray era. So it was really. It was great. But, you know, there would be the. The version of, like, the Coldplay cam, but not exposing anyone of an affair, and all of the. And. And celebrities would come out. So I guess some of it has just been sort of social, you know, social media optimized. But I don't remember Vogue doing as many slideshows as it did this year.
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It feels like more celebrities are going. I was just talking to someone that said that celebrities are also asking for more tickets. So that is creating a different dynamic of who gets to go. And who doesn't like when editors get to go? When the brands invite editors, maybe they'll invite them midway through instead of for the finals. Who have been some of your favorite looks on and off the court.
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So on the court I have two answers for you. So I mean Venus Williams wearing custom. Kate wearing custom Luar. Am I saying it correctly? Yes. Correct. I mean I just, you know, she is a living legend and looks amazing and I would say the best of what I thought was otherwise a pretty. And again I've, you know, been dipping in and out. I haven't seen a ton of these in motion. The Nike offerings were eh, to me this, this year I did, I didn't love all of the colors, especially that I think Naomi's too much purple. I'm not, I'm not a purple person. I liked Irina Sabalenka's silver jacket and I, I, I don't know whether it's popular to say when she defeated an American also named Amanda. But like I'm kind of an arena fan so I like, I was happy about that. And then are you familiar with another Italian? Did this cross your radar? Lorenzo Musetti?
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You know it did because he was.
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Wearing a black Bottega jacket on, on the court. Yeah. And this is like when you're thinking about like an Italian tennis player and you have a, a possibly stereotypical dreamboat image in your head. That's, that's Lorenzo Musetti. Yeah.
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So that's fabulous. Congrats to Bottega. Good job. Jenny Kim.
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That was powerful stuff. I thought also on the court I just to Ralph Lauren. The brands. While we're speaking to brands on fashion people, please release children sizes of your ball boy clothes because they are amazing. And my 3 year old now plays ball boy and is like I want to wear that, I want to wear that. I want to wear that. I would spend a tremendous amount of money.
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Lauren Astry and Ryan Lally. I know you're listening. Ryan's not listening. But Lauren might be get on this. It's very smart. I'm surprised they haven't done it.
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I, you know, I looked and I couldn't find anything. And maybe that was because I think they do some of the Wimbledon stuff as well.
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Yes.
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And so maybe, maybe I search for Wimbledon and anyway it's just that seems like a rich opportunity for them and I think all of the ball kids look great.
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I agree. I think that the ball, it's like the best, it's the best thing Ralph Lauren, I mean they do the Olympics costumes too, but costumes, unicorns, sure. But this I agree. I think that their whole relationship to tennis, having the celebrities all wearing Ralph Lauren in the box at Wimbledon, like, it's just, it all really works and it's very, very smart. Tina Lakkonen, owner of Tina, the late great Tina. The store in Amagansett actually did for line sheet on Monday her top three in men' and women's of what she loved. And she actually loved the Naomi Osaka. I agree, I'm not a purple person. I thought it came in a couple colors. So yes, I thought the thing that Tina said, and I don't think Tina in her life is a purple person either. But she said, look, it looks like her and it's very her and that's why she loved it.
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Fair.
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She also loved and I agree, Alcaraz, I think and the colors that pink and the Bordeaux, those are not colors I like. It's like very mauve. Mauve. Ish. And that's like not my world. I thought he looked fabulous. I love the shaped head.
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He did. I do. Also, I really like the buzz cut.
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And, and Coco Gauff is just obviously very obvious. Like of course she's my favorite. But the thing that I will say that was really interesting and you meant mentioning it's Musetti.
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I, I mean again, I'm not Italian. I was just there for eight days.
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That sounds, it sounds right. Wearing Bottega, which I think is really smart. There was a lot of why three but the one that I. That someone messaged me yesterday about, I ended up doing a little item on is Sinner in. That's his. It's Janik Sinner, right? Yes. So in wearing all the Gucci gear, and the Gucci gear looks so good. And this person was like, this makes me excited for Demna. And of course, sure, it's just like a white duffel bag. But it looked really sharp and cool and he just looks, he looks so good. I sent you a screenshot of Anna Wintour smiley eyed at him. He looks amazing. And I think it really is a good indication that Demna. I have a really good feeling about Demna at Gucci. There's a lot of good energy towards him right now and that made me excited. And I think these brands are really smart. The stylist for Venus Williams was this guy, Ronald Burton the third who styled Venus Williams for the tournament. I feel like the competition, whatever it's called, but I think doing custom kit, I just think these designers are starting to get a sense of what makes Sense and what doesn't. And it's also been really fun. The thing that I've loved the most from the audience is not other than seeing Dylan, seeing the sort of adjacency to the famous people. So Mary Kate Olsen, one of the designers of the row, was there. She was sitting with Sarah Moonves, the editor in chief of W, which I just like. That really reads deep power to me that that's who she chose to go with. I'm sure they're old friends. They probably grew up together. They're both from la. But it was like Mary Kate never goes out in public, and she's just, like, sitting there with Sarah. There was also a moment. Emma Roberts was there and her business partner, Kara Price, who you. I bet you've met. She's friends with our friends Claire and Erica. But she was in a lot of the pictures with Jeremy Allen White and.
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Who I thought looked great.
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I thought he looked really cute. And then you like that other guy, right?
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From which other guy?
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Eben Moss Bacharach.
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Oh, yeah. Excuse me. Put some respect on Richie's name. Okay? Like, that's fine. You guys can all. Yes, chef it. And I am team Richie.
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Look, we could talk offline about my feelings about both of those men and also that show. I think Jeremy Allen White is extremely cute. I do.
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Oh, so do I. He's adorable.
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And Evan Moss background. It's. But I have. My feelings about that show are very complicated.
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It is also that Jeremy Allen White is starting his award season run for the Springsteen movie, which debuted at Telluride last weekend. So it's like, yeah, he. Like, he has everything locked down. And he. Is. He. He looked. Was he wearing Calvin Klein? I.
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Maybe he. He's been wearing a lot of double down. He looked really good there. Right.
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But I was like, oh, like the styling. The award season styling has started already.
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100%. Jamie Mizrahi is his stylist. They're gonna be in it really quickly, and then we can move to the film festival extravaganza and the fashion at those. But yeah, so Kara was like, in the pictures of Jeremy Allen White and Evan Moss Bacharach. She's like, in all of them. They couldn't cut her out of them. And it just was so funny. And I just thought it's such an interesting soft power to be the person with the celebrity in one of those box. And I just enjoyed the whole thing and. Or more to go next year, you.
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Know, Like, I think I would prefer just to, like, have the nice tickets and not have to be in the photographs. But that's me. That's. That's my definition of power is good seats, no photos.
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But. But the thing is, at this point, Amanda, someone may be taking photos of you and being like Amanda Dobbins. Is that the.
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I really, really hope not.
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Ugh. There's. There's so much our. Our fractured culture.
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I know.
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So, speaking of the film festival clothing circuit, because Jeremy Allen White also look good at Telluride.
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Sure. I have to say, it's easier there. You know, everyone's just wearing their Carhartt. It's not sweaty and wandering around and there. And there aren't red carpets. I mean, not on the level of Venice.
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I started listening to your recap with your big picture co host, Shawn Fenesi of you two going to these festivals. And he went to Telluride and you went to Venice. I have to say, Telluride sounds far more appealing to me.
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That's. Listen. But some people are mountain people.
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Yes.
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And some people are Negroni and ocean people. And the key to life is knowing what you are.
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I 100% agree. Also, you. You have more patience than one may expect. And you had a lot of patience for these boat rides, which I would have been like, I'm going to kill everyone.
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I. I do not have patience. And I definitely almost got arrested, which, like, I interacted with many officious Italian security guards and policia in. In ways that I'm not proud of. But they don't make it easy, you know, so you should. Our friend Yassi Salak of Bandsplain was with me at the festival and is the reason that I am and free and back in the United States today.
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Thank God. Thank God. Or G dash D, whatever you want.
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But it was, you know, there's the festival that you see on Instagram and on, you know, in recaps and that we're gonna talk about here, which is like incredibly glamorous and star studded. And the festival is on the Lido, right on the ocean. And you know, and they play for. They, they like celebrities, they like Hollywood. They want as they want that attention. So that's very fun. And then there is the experience of being a journalist. They're trying to see as many movies as possible, which is getting rained on and begging for, you know, and it's, it's, it's a privilege. But I did spend a lot of time in lines or on vaporetto. Vaporettos, which are Venetian water buses.
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A
Wow.
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C
Yeah.
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A
At some point we need to break down. I need to know what your wardrobe was for the whole time. I saw some great photos.
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C
Thank you so much. I wore every sing in my suitcase. I was very proud of myself.
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A
I'm proud of you. That's great. That, that's efficient.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Okay, so let's talk a bit. I want to there. You saw one film in particular that will be interesting to the fashion people audience. But I want to talk about the red carpet.
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C
Yeah.
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A
You're a big Jonathan Anderson fan, I would say, or you follow very closely.
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C
I mean, you know, I'm a citizen of the world, so aren't we all?
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A
True, true. So what did you. What were the. What was the red carpet like? You saw a lot of the Dior. You saw. You saw a lot of these people up close. You saw Emily Blunt's new face.
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C
I just, I. That I was seated far back from her and she. Her lips are well pronounced at this point in her life. And I noticed it from several rows back. So I saw some people up close and some people didn't. I went to some premieres and even then when I'm at a premiere, I am like behind the red carpet. So. So you, you do get pretty close to people. And that is really interesting in terms of like seeing a photograph and seeing these looks that are designed to be photographed on the red carpet versus what they look like in person. And sometimes it does kind of look like some things safety pinned together in. In person. But that's not the point. The point is the photograph. So I saw some in person. I saw some just, you know, from photographs from, you know, while waiting in line, I saw Greta Lee a couple times up close, and she. She had two films at the festival, so she obviously photographs really well and is very beautiful. The. The dress that she wore to the House of Dynamite premiere. Premiere, which is the new Kathryn Bigelow film, and that was Dior. And it was, you know, black satin draped.
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A
It looked like a big. It looked like she was wearing a bow.
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C
It looked like a big bow. Yes, exactly.
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A
Yes.
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C
And, like, in person, she looked very beautiful, but I was, like, primarily concerned for how much tape she had on and how she was and really just genuinely impressed at how she was navigating wearing this dress. The photos, and especially, like, I know Jonathan Anderson shared, you know, like, a short video of her running on the red carpet in heels in it and looking so great. And I was like, oh, I get it. So that actually did work for me, even though in person, I was like, oh, all right. Is this gonna. Is this gonna work out? But the one of hers I really liked was a photo call that she did. So at the Venice Film Festival. There. There's a press conference during the day and a photo call before the press conference, which is one set of looks. And then there's the premiere in the evening, which is the big red carpet. So you like. I have a daytime glam and a nighttime glam. But for one of the photo calls, she was wearing, like, basically, Dior new look. Like a.
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A
Yes.
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C
And I was like. And I was like, this is amazing. I love this. She looks so great. This is so cool. It's pitch perfect for that, like, kind of pretty awkward moment of, like, how do I look? Really nice. But, like, for a conference room at 11, 13 in the morning, totally. So. So what other Dior did I see that I'm not realizing was Dior she wore?
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A
And I. I would say I really agree with you on both of those. I think one thing on the. On the bow dress, which I think was the best. The most successful thing that Jonathan did at the festival because of the fact that he. They're. You can tell they're actually friends. Danielle Goldberg, who's her stylist, they're really collaborative. She understands her body. She has a very great body to put in anything. She can wear a paper bag type situation. And I thought the colors were interesting. It just worked out. Whereas there was some other stuff, especially earlier in the. He did the skirt. Alba. I mean, the dress. The Alba dress. Oh, yes. And that was his first couture. And I thought the front of the dress which was like bias draped was really cool. And then the back, it was avant garde. It was also a little bit aggressive. And I think it turned people off. I think it was an interesting effort, but there was a lot of stuff. There was just a lot on the red carpet. Monica, Andrew Garfield and Monica Barbaro. I didn't. I thought neither of those were really successful. I thought. I agree. The new look dress, the new look suit, the navy suit, I. I think I wrote that. Like, to me, that was the. Before the other. The bow dress, that was the most successful thing he did. And I think one thing to. We all have to remember is they have limited items that they. He's not going to custom make every single dress for. Like, he did. He did that stuff. He just did it on a Taylor Joy that was obviously new and he'll. He'll bid. He can't do every single thing. A lot of that stuff was like, from what they had available, and then they would tweak it. And I thought what he did with that, which was really interesting, was he sort of slimmed it down. And I think we are all gonna want a bar jacket. And I already want one. Like, I've been looking on the real real because it's such a great hourglass shape. Looks good on A lot of people. Will look good with jeans. And so I think he's gonna be able to reinvent that for women in a way that we are all going to want one. And I thought that that was a good feeling first. First example, but. And he also did that white little suit she did, which was. It was fine, but it wasn't it. I think, like, it's hard like that. A lot of the stuff, there was something that. Who's that funny Shailene? That funny girl, Shailene Woodley.
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C
Well, so Shailene Woodley did have a film at the Venice Film Festival, but she was at the premiere for J. Kelly, which is the new Noah Baumbach movie starring George Clooney and Adam Sandler and Emily Mortime and as Alba Rocker, as you mentioned. So that's. That was the J. Kelly premiere where she was wearing that giant dress, which I thought. Which I thought looked cool. And also in the context of everyone else, it was mostly, you know, why was Shailene Woodley there? I still don't know. And I spent. I saw her and I was like, wait, is Shailene Woodley in this movie? And then I spent some time googling because I hadn't seen it at the time of the red carpet. She is not that dressed, you know, didn't work in person is what I would say it was.
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A
It was Kall Meyer, who's an amazing designer, and, and, you know, cool that this New York designer got addressed the main issue. And this was at Dior Karma, all of them. A lot of stuff was really wrinkled and I think that was because of the humidity and like, they couldn't help it.
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C
It was also the J. Kelly night. There were just absolutely cataclysmic thunderstorms. And so that did affect a lot of the red carpet and also how whether many of us could get home. I did eventually, but it was touching for you. Thank you.
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A
How many hours a night were you sleeping on this trip?
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C
Some. It depended. That day was like five hours and that was tough, but it, you know, I'm just doing it by the movie schedule. So that day was a four day movie. I had a couple days where it was one or, or two, you know, so I, I made it work.
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A
Yeah. Was there any other red carpet that you. That sort of blew you away?
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C
I really liked the Chloe 70. I know that people feel are up and down on this and maybe this is a good time to talk about after the Hunt in general, but I thought she looked fantastic in it. That was ysl, right?
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A
Yes. Yeah, it was archive ysl. I'm sure they tweaked it a little. Yeah, she looked dynamite. I was like, you're the best in the world. Nobody does it better. Like, she's just amazing and her body's awesome. Like, she's just, like, she's just. I. I love her.
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C
She's. She's so great. And before we talk about after the Hunt, I just want to say that I was at the House of Dynamite premiere, which is directed by Kathryn Bigelow. And Kathryn Bigelow looked incredible. She was wearing sort of like a. Like a double breasted, like sleeveless suit dress or like vet, you know, vest dress, I guess you could say. And looked so cool. And I googled how old she is, expecting to get the answer of like 52 maybe. And the answer was 73 years old. And I am. I just absolutely can't believe it. She's. And I thought that film was excellent also. So. Kathryn Bigelow.
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A
I can't wait to see it. She looks gorgeous. I'm trying. I think this might be Balmain. That's my guess. I'll figure. I'll figure it out.
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C
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A
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B
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C
That's what they said.
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A
You can spend time trying to pronounce.
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C
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A
Tell us about after the Hunt because obviously we were big Luca Guadagnino fans.
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C
As am I, one of my favorite directors. I have to preface this by saying that I did not get to see the ending of after the Hunt because of the aforementioned rainstorms and scheduling issues. And it started very late and so I had to leave to make it to the J. Keller premiere. I saw most of it and also no one needs my review on the content or the politics of this film at this.
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A
Not. Not on this podcast.
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C
Yeah, you can check it out. The big picture and I will have seen the entire movie by the time we record that podcast. That is my guarantee to you, clothes wise. So this movie stars Julia Roberts, Andrew Garfield, I Odebry, Chloe Sevigny and Michael Stuhlbarg and among others. But it is, it is sort of the Julia Roberts show. And I felt like her clothes were a personal attack on me and the way that I dress every day in a way where I had to go home and really reflect. Just a, you know, the slightly wide leg, high cut jeans in a variety of washes, oxford button downs with oversized blazers. She's wearing a tank. She has an array of like, I think they're Todd's loafers. But you know, forgive me, fashion is not my number one profession. So if I got the loafer ID wrong, that's the vibe they're giving. Anyway, she obviously looks great because she's Julia Roberts. Oh, and then she carries a boat tote. And then also like a second, you know, Roe esque bag. It was. And he. That's credit to Luca and his team. They understand that these details create a character and they get them right all of the time. And it was. It was spot on and made me think that perhaps I should not rely on Blazer so much.
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A
You know, it's funny. I had a. I. I didn't feel. I'm trying to think of a movie I felt that way about. I did. I didn't feel attacked by jar. But there was a lot. Tar. Yes.
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C
Yeah, tar. And this, by the way, this is like tar lite. Again, I haven't seen the ending, but.
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A
This is, you know, hey, I'm for it. But the tar of the la mer of tar and the la mer of it all in tar. And the way she dressed, I felt like a real. I was like, this person understands me in a way that is. Fritz just knocked on the door. He also understood. But the thing I was gonna say is. Yeah, I mean, Luca, I would say, out of all directors, and I've seen about 1 240th of the movies that you have in your life, but to me, he understands clothes and the power of clothes.
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C
Absolutely.
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A
That. I've been interviewing more costume designers, and I'm always asking you, who do you think I should talk to? And it's hard for me. Cause period stuff is interesting. But I want. When you get real people right, and like, someone feels emotionally attacked by the clothes, that is real. And the costume designer he worked with on this movie, he's worked with Jonathan Anderson a bunch. And Jonathan Anderson's doing the Sam Altman one, which I'm so pumped. But Julia, she used to be a knitwear designer at Celine when Phoebe was there. So it's just like, he just. He nails it. I will see the movie.
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C
I think everyone should see it. I think it will piss a lot of people off. I think that that is its intent. Everyone's pretty good in it. And like I said, you know, the apartment is immaculate and completely unbelievable as the residents of. To a New Haven professor and a Yale professor and her psychiatrist husband. But, you know, whatever. It's. It has so much style, which I think can, like, sort of be a reductive way to talk about. Like, it doesn't always encompass, like, what a movie is doing, but in this case, like, it is the point of the movie.
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A
I promised you 30 minutes, and we're almost at 47.
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C
I know, but we're just we're gabbing, you know.
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A
Two quick things. One is on this point of it's going to piss people off. The apartment looks good. Do you think there is something going on in cinema?
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C
Yes.
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A
Where there are these extremely stylish movies that are. They're like commenting on where our culture has moved, which is in a pretty, I don't wanna say shallow but like aesthetics driven culture that the depth of the movie is challenging for people. I'm thinking of materialists. There are a lot of these kinds of. And challengers to an extent. Like I've seen Challengers three times now, which for me for a new movie is really rare. It is an awesome movie. Like every time I've seen it I'm like this movie is even better. It's so much better than the first time I saw it.
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C
Right.
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A
But there is something about these movies that there's like a coldness to them that upsets people enough to talk about it all the time. What do you think it is?
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C
I think that there is an expectation among a certain and I don't even want to make this generational but at this time a lot of not just movie audiences but TV audiences expect and I think readers of certainly a fiction expect the morals and the argument of the of the piece of art to A be agreeable to them and B be stated to them. And so movies that you're talking about which are very much commenting on the ideas and they are sometimes creating characters who you judge or are doing things completely wrong. And the reason that you are judging them or the reason that you know they're doing some is because the movie or the book has created the character and created that situation to communicate the idea to you. But I think it's attention span. I think it's just like the habit and the nature of our times that many people aren't willing to sit through the work without the moral being handed to them explicitly. If that makes sense.
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A
Yes. Yeah, kind of related. Our shared colleague Matt Bellany had this I listened to his podcast this week because there are no more podcasts. I'm like out.
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C
I know.
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A
Especially you being gone with jam session. I'm so glad you all are back because I've been like and our friends Claire and Erica's podcast ended. Hi Joe. I'm going to have to start listening to how long gone it's getting bad. Just kidding. Love you guys.
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C
Hi boys.
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A
But Matt had this guy on and he wrote about this too about Gen Alpha like once to be in the and I was like this is bullshit. These kids don't know what they're talking about. But it was a really interesting conversation just about attention span and how that's changing and why people. It's just a really fascinating time to do what you do.
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C
If you think about the structure of a TikTok, and this is said as someone who like deleted TikTok from her phone because it took up too much space. But it is often like there is the video or the music or whatever's happening and then there is a caption that is literally explaining the intent of the thing. And within, within the structure of the TikTok, they're using that caption in, in like, in funny ways. And I like, I, I, I think these kids are very smart and very funny.
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A
Yeah.
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C
But that does just kind of change your brain and change the way that you expect to receive information and ideas within certainly a visual medium. So, I don't know.
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A
Fascinating stuff. Okay, really quickly, you saw the Sophia by Mark by Sofia by the way.
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C
She looked. I saw her on the red carpet up close and she looked great.
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A
One, one note. She and Chloe Sevigny used Monastery skincare for red carpet. And we are both fans of the Monastery rose cleansing oil and some other products.
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C
My husband would want me to say that do the facial oil as well. It. She's really into.
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A
Great. Yeah, we're, we, we all love Monastery. It's really cute. It's fabulous. She looked great. She was wearing custom marked ones and then I think, I assume Chanel when it was that double breasted piece.
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C
Yeah. At the Cartier dinner that I was not invited to. But she looked so good.
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A
Get on that. What's the Rabbit's foot? Charles Finch. You got to invite Amanda to your, to your film festival.
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C
I'd love to. I don't really think they were letting normies into that car party, but that's okay. Everyone looked fantastic.
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A
It's fabulous. So what did you think of the movie? Be honest.
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C
I thought it was, I was very pleasant. I, I enjoyed myself. There is almost as, as I said on the Big Picture, there is literally no tension in the film. And it is nominally about the lead up to a recent Marc Jacobs show. I, I know I should have looked up which one. It was the one where the, the set is like a large table and chairs.
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A
Oh yeah.
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C
And all the models walk under it. Were you there? I was looking for you in the front row.
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A
I believe that I was. But I think that that show, they did two.
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C
Ah, okay. So. So they do have, they are in the room, you know, 12 weeks, six weeks, three weeks. And then there's a kind of a master sit down interview with. With Marc Jacobs that Sovia is conducting. And you hear her voice a little bit. And then it's a lot of archival. Not just of his old shows, but, you know, photographs. He talks a lot about films that inspire him, which I liked a lot. And so then there are, you know, clips from the movies. It's really just. It's Sofia Coppola making like a video collage about her friend. Uh, so if you. If the words Mark by Sophia mean anything to you, this. You can fill out, you know, the rest of the names and are appealing to you, then you will very much like it. I don't think it's gonna go down as like one of the great revealing documentaries in history. Um, unlike I, you know, I saw another documentary at the festival about Sofia Coppola's father, Francis Ford Coppola, and the making of his last movie, Megalopolis, which I really recommend. There is tension. Is that one. Because things don't go well.
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A
I really want to see this. And I thought, well, I guess I'm actually going to have to see Megalop Mega.
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C
Yeah.
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A
Which.
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C
Which I think that you should as a. As a person who, like, you know, as a student of culture person. Sure. And he is great in it. And it is a really fascinating story about, you know, one of the great filmmakers who spent over 100 million of his own dollars to make this movie at late in life. And then this is what comes out. You know, it's fascinating.
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A
I'm in. This is my project for the falls. Can you see Megalop Megalopolis?
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C
I assume it's streaming. I assume you can pay money for it. I think they need it.
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A
I, Dan from A really wants to watch it. I've been like, I don't think we can do it. Okay, so the. I understand that. I feel like, to me, this is very much in line with this Oasis show we saw, which was basically a scrapbook of their lives. Yeah, it was very melancholy. I was a little sad at parts of it. Not because I have a real affinity for them. It was more like my life flashing before my eyes.
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C
The passage of time was very visible on screen and in their faces and in our faces as well. So.
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A
So finally, Amanda, preview for this week. You had a special delivery to your home while you were still in. I did in Venice. And I, like, visibly. I. You could hear me go. When I saw the Instagram, I received.
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C
A photo of a beautifully Wrapped double decker package from my husband. And the text he sent with it was the very nice lady who dropped this off said it was quite quote from Megan Merkel. Now that I'm home, I can tell you that the, the. The paper has With Love Megan in her signature font. You know, paste, not pasted, but kind of like stamped on, on the paper. I do, I think that this is a, this is related to season two of With Love Netflix. So it's a Megan and Netflix joint collaboration, much as the as ever products are, as line sheet has reported.
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A
Yes.
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C
But anyway, yes, Megan and or Netflix did send me a vat of goodies because I have tried and failed to acquire these goodies on my own. I've had some tough, you know, retail experiences with this. But I am, we are, we're going to do a taste test on Jam Session. I am saving the unboxing for Jam Session. There may be a video component. So, you know, if you are interested in how jam tastes. By the way, Jam Session is not named after this. Jam Session is because my co host, Juliet Littman. Juliet and Amanda mix jam. But we will be tasting jam.
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A
If you wanted to make your own product, you can make jam.
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C
That's true.
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A
Let's get that going.
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C
The thing is, is that I don't really care that much about jam. I just was trying to, you know, I have covered Megan for many years. I've covered the royal family, you know, not in like a serious reporting way, but as a cultural observer. Okay.
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A
I think the reporting you've been doing on the jam is pretty.
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C
I thought it was my duty, you know, it was business reporting. So now we're gonna find out.
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A
Okay, so my one request, everybody tune into Jam Session later this week to see what everything looks and tastes like and Juliet and Amanda's firsthand reactions. My request is if you got a berry jam, can you save me a tiny taste of it? Cause you know I like low sugar products, right?
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C
Yes, I do know that.
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A
The main issue is I'm not going to be back until a week from. I'm back the 16th. So it might be.
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C
I'll put.
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A
It might be moldy by then.
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C
I'll put it in the refrigerator. But also, didn't we learn that that's how Jim grows and thrives?
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A
Yes. And you just slice it off.
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C
It's. Yeah, we're all doing okay. Yeah. Yes, absolutely. I don't know what's in it, but if there is, you don't want apricot.
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A
I don't care about the apricot okay.
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C
All right.
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A
I just like have. No, I. I won't be able to judge it properly because it's just not. I'm not interested in it in any way. I would only be interested if it was some sort of berry based jam.
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C
Okay. All right. Duly noted. You have dibs on that. If yes, jam session on the Ringer podcast network.
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A
Amanda, thank you for being here. It was so fun.
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C
It's so fun. Thank you for having me. It's always lovely to see you.
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A
Lovely to see you. Have fun at soccer this weekend and I will see you in a week.
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C
Okay, thank you.
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A
Fashion People is a presentation of Odyssey in partnership with Puck. This show was produced and edited by Molly Nugent. Special thanks to our executive producers, Puck Co founder John Kelly, executive editor Ben Landy and director of Editorial operations, Gabby Grossman. An additional thanks to the team at Odyssey, JD Crowley, Jenna Weiss Berman and Bob Tabador.
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