Fashion Police

Summary

Fashion People – Episode Summary: "Fashion Police"
Release Date: January 7, 2025

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Introduction

In the latest episode of Fashion People, host Lauren Sherman engages in an insightful conversation with renowned fashion editor and entertainment journalist, Zana Roberts Rossi. The episode delves deep into the intricate dynamics of the fashion industry, highlighting behind-the-scenes narratives from high-profile events, designer shifts, and the ever-evolving relationship between fashion and Hollywood.

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Honoring Industry Icons: Ralph Lauren & Anna Wintour

The episode opens with a celebratory note as Lauren announces that both Ralph Lauren and Anna Wintour have been awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian honor in the United States.

• Lauren Sherman [06:15]: “The Presidential Medal of Freedom is the nation's highest civilian honor presented to individuals who have made especially meritorious contributions to the security or national interests of the United States…or to cultural or other significant public or private endeavors.”

Zana expresses her admiration:

• Zana Roberts Rossi [06:28]: “I think well deserved as well. Very well deserved.”

The discussion highlights Ralph Lauren's enduring influence on American culture and fashion:

• Zana Roberts Rossi [07:14]: “He was from Manchester and then London. I was aware of it. That was America. Like, that was the heritage brand… he’s a guy from the Bronx and he's worked so hard… if anyone deserves a medal, it's Ralph Lauren.”

Similarly, Anna Wintour's pivotal role in shaping global fashion prestige is lauded:

• Lauren Sherman [09:40]: “Anna Wintour is similar in that she… she is British. But I can't imagine her. She's so American to me.”

Zana adds:

• Zana Roberts Rossi [10:32]: “She’s transformed. She turned Vogue into a global powerhouse… her legacy is going to be this champion of diversity and nurturing new talent.”

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Behind the Scenes at W Magazine Party

Lauren shares her experiences attending the W Magazine party, emphasizing the blend of high fashion and celebrity interactions.

• Lauren Sherman [11:48]: “There were fewer stylists, but big names like Rebecca Ramsey and Justine Loop were present, wearing Prada and looking stunning.”

Zana provides vivid descriptions of the attendees and the relaxed atmosphere:

• Zana Roberts Rossi [12:38]: “Nicole Kidman and Angelina Jolie were both just hanging out. It was such a relaxed and fun environment.”

They discuss notable moments, including interactions with influential stylists and designers, highlighting the seamless integration of fashion and celebrity culture.

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Golden Globes Red Carpet Highlights

The conversation shifts to the recent Golden Globes, where both Lauren and Zana dissect the fashion trends and standout moments from the event.

Fashion Trends and Celebrity Looks:

• Zana Roberts Rossi [20:08]: “Trend-wise, it was a solid start to awards season with nods to old Hollywood blended with modern aesthetics.”

Notable Celebrity Ensembles:

• Selena Gomez in a Prada ice blue dress:

  • Zana Roberts Rossi [21:48]: “Selena looked amazing… the Prada ice blue was beautiful.”

• Zendaya in Louis Vuitton:

  • Lauren Sherman [22:09]: “Young love. She looked amazing in Louis Vuitton.”

• Emma Stone in a mint green Armani dress:

  • Lauren Sherman [38:52]: “Last year, Emma Stone's mint green dress was a standout despite a mishap.”

• Viola Davis in Gucci:

  • Zana Roberts Rossi [28:59]: “Viola Davis in Gucci was gorgeous.”

Menswear Highlights:

• Daniel Craig in a velvet Armani suit:

  • Zana Roberts Rossi [25:37]: “He looked incredible with the polka dots and the velvet fabric.”

• Jeremy Strong sporting a Jade velvet bucket hat:

  • Lauren Sherman [25:37]: “I love his bucket hat; it's a bold fashion statement.”

Designer Success Stories:

Louis Vuitton emerges as the most successful brand of the evening:

• Zana Roberts Rossi [36:33]: “Louis Vuitton was probably the most successful… Zendaya, Cynthia, and Kate Blanchett all wore their pieces fabulously.”

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The Evolving Role of Designers in Film and Red Carpet Synergy

Lauren and Zana explore the symbiotic relationship between fashion houses and the film industry, noting how designers are increasingly involved from the inception of film projects rather than solely focusing on red carpet appearances.

• Zana Roberts Rossi [40:01]: “We're seeing more designers getting involved from the beginning of movie-making… it's a whole other business.”

They discuss Saint Laurent's collaboration with Emilia Clarke and the seamless integration of film costumes with red carpet fashion, emphasizing the holistic approach to celebrity styling.

• Lauren Sherman [42:51]: “Jonathan Anderson spoke on the panel about how blending film and fashion can amplify brand presence.”

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Future of Fashion in Cinema: Designer-Centric Costume Design

The hosts share their aspirations for future collaborations between designers and filmmakers, envisioning a landscape where fashion is integral to cinematic storytelling.

• Lauren Sherman [44:10]: “Demna would be funny… or Marc Jacobs could bring a unique perspective to costume design.”

• Zana Roberts Rossi [45:37]: “I’d love to see Victoria Beckham take on a whole movie costume design. Or even Christopher John Rogers… imagine the vibrancy.”

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Closing Thoughts and Future Events

As the episode wraps up, Zana shares her upcoming engagements, including coverage for the Grammys, Oscars, and the Met Gala. Both hosts express excitement for future discussions and events, underscoring the continuous evolution of fashion within the entertainment industry.

• Zana Roberts Rossi [46:23]: “I’ll be covering the Grammys next, then the Oscars, and the Met Gala.”

Lauren concludes by praising Zana's contributions and inviting her back for future episodes focused on major award seasons.

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Notable Quotes

• Lauren Sherman [06:15]: “The Presidential Medal of Freedom is the nation's highest civilian honor… presented to individuals who have made especially meritorious contributions… to cultural or other significant public or private endeavors.”

• Zana Roberts Rossi [10:32]: “She has been transformed into a global powerhouse… her legacy is going to be this champion of diversity and nurturing new talent.”

• Zana Roberts Rossi [36:33]: “Louis Vuitton was probably the most successful… Zendaya, Cynthia, and Kate Blanchett all wore their pieces fabulously.”

• Lauren Sherman [44:10]: “Demna would be funny… or Marc Jacobs could bring a unique perspective to costume design.”

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Conclusion

"Fashion Police" offers listeners an engaging and comprehensive look into the pivotal moments and influential figures shaping the fashion industry today. Through Lauren Sherman and Zana Roberts Rossi's dynamic dialogue, the episode captures the essence of contemporary fashion, its deep ties with Hollywood, and the continual reinvention that keeps the multi-trillion-dollar fashion biz vibrant and forward-moving.

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Produced and Edited by: Molly Nugent
Executive Producers: John Kelly, Ben Landy, Gabby Grossman
Special Thanks: Odyssey Team – JD Crowley, Jenna Weiss Berman, Bob Tabador

Transcript

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[Lauren Sherman]

Welcome to Fashion People. I'm Lauren Sherman, writer of Puck's Fashion and Beauty Memo Line sheet. And today with me on the show is Zana Roberts Rossi, fashion editor, entertainment journalist, and most importantly for our purposes, a fixture on Ease Red Carpet. We're talking Golden Globe style, W magazine covers and so much more. Happy Tuesday. Hope you had a good weekend. It was a fun one here in Los Angeles. I made one stop to the W magazine party on Saturday night. More on that in Monday's Line Sheet where I also get into the state of Kai Kylie Jenner's fashion line. Plus some news about designer changes at Jean Paul Gaultier. After years of employing the collaborations model with a new designer each season, I'm told they're announcing permanent designer soon. So read more about it in Line Sheet. And just a reminder that I'm sending Line Sheet five days a week starting this week. So today Sarah Shapiro gets into the affiliate wars. The entrepreneurs behind the affiliate marketing platforms like Shop My and Like to Know it. It's so good. I'm obsessed with this part of the industry and we'll be covering it a lot more closely. So please head over to Puck News to check it out. Hope to see you around this week. Now let's get going with Zanna, who I've been following since she was a street style star and a fashion magazine editor. Now super famous and on TV all the time. Also a founder of Milk Makeup. I don't know if you knew that.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

But let's get to it.

[Lauren Sherman]

Zanna Roberts Rossi, welcome to Fashion People.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Thank you for having me. Fashion Person.

[Lauren Sherman]

Hi Lauren, I'm so happy to see you. I was just thinking about the fact that I first came to know you when you were a big fashion editor and a huge street style star.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Don't really remember the street style star.

[Lauren Sherman]

But I remember it and it's interesting because so many people want to do what you do, which is what you did, which is like, move into presenting, and you have a million different things. You do a million different things, but you're on TV all the time. And it's a real ambition for a lot of people in our industry. And you really. You got it done. So congrats. It's so fun to talk to you.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

About this part of your career. Thank you so much. It was kind of by default. I don't really know if there was a real good, solid plan in place. It wasn't on the vision board, but it just ended up working out this way, and I'm thoroughly enjoying it. It's been a really fun roller coaster road.

[Lauren Sherman]

So great. So tell me how you ended up. You are one of the hosts of the E. Red carpet for all their big events. Tell me a little bit of that rollercoaster road and how you got there.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

So you mentioned actually earlier that I used to be an editor. So I was an editor at Marie Claire magazine. I was doing beauty first, then to fashion, and I got invited. You know, I was doing all the styling, the covers, writing features, the whole nine yards. You know it too well. The editorial world. Got invited to go on Fashion, please. Back in the day. And I just moved to America. So I remember telling my now husband at the time, and he's like, it's fashion, but it's iconic. It's Joan Rivers. I was petrified. Like, what is this show? So I fly to L. A, I go on the show. I'll be talking about, like, behind the scenes on one of our cover shoots. It was. It was monumental moment, obviously, with Joan Rivers. Anyway, and then they invited me back, and they kept on coming back in a few times. And then the ep, the good teams at E. Was saying, why don't you come and do some Oscars coverage with us? So I did one of their panels, and it just kept on snowballing from there. But I think the interesting thing for Milan, when I was sat on those panels, you know, I'd be next to incredible celebrities or really funny comedians, and I'd be like, what is my take on this? Right? So everyone was being really witty about the looks they were seeing. And I was like, this is my people. This is like my industry. I know that person who's created that look. I know that stylist who's done that. So it was kind of at that point, I was like, I could tell these stories from the inside out rather than just from the outside in. So I'd make some calls. You know, I'd be Like, oh, Kate Young, what's this dress you put on, Michelle? Or calling my friends at Chanel saying, you know, what was it all about? And I kind of like, smatter it into the conversation. But it grew and people were really interested in this behind the scenes. And I think my instinct was always, they will be at some point. It was that time where people were becoming much more curious about the work. Breaking the fourth wall, really. So we started doing more and more, and now it's like 80, 90% of the show.

[Lauren Sherman]

Well, we're gonna break the fourth wall again later on in this episode, but I wanted to go over a couple newsy bits that have nothing to do with the Golden Globes first.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

I don't know anything that's nothing to do with the Golden Globes, by the way. My head's been so up in the Golden Globes.

[Lauren Sherman]

Did you know. Did you know that both Ralph Lauren and Anna Wintour received the Congressional Medal of Freedom this past weekend?

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

I actually see that. Isn't that incredible?

[Lauren Sherman]

It's really cool.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

I think well deserved as well. Very well deserved.

[Lauren Sherman]

I agree. It was interesting because Anna did. I don't know how much press her team tried to do behind the scenes. They didn't try to do any with me. But her. I got like, several press releases about Ralph Laurens, which she was the first fashion designer to ever receive this award, which for. We have a big European audience. So I'm going to try to explain. I think this is kind of like when you get an Arts and letters in France. Right.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

I'd say that I was like, is it like an OBE for the English? That would be my equivalent. Someone who's made a big cultural impact. Yeah, I love a medal. Anyway, I'm all for it.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes. It's according to national archives or obamawhitehouse.archives. i don't know why that's coming up. The Presidential Medal of Freedom is the nation's highest civilian honor presented to individuals who have made especially meritorious contributions to the security or national interests of the United States. To world peace.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Security.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. Or to cultural or other significant public or private endeavors. So, of course, these two people should receive this. I think I read Jacob Gallagher's piece in the Times, and Ralph Lauren has contributed so much to popular culture, business culture. When you were growing up, were you interested in that brand growing up in.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Well, I was from Manchester and then London. I was. Of course, you were aware of it. That was America. Like, that was the heritage brand. That was like this lifestyle, this dream that was created around this just the all American dream. Yeah. So familiar with it. And then I remember moving here and doing a shoot with them early on for Marie Claire and it was a full on like Ralph Lauren editorial. And I remember even then how involved he was in every single step and decision within that business, you know, and he still is today. And I think that still is so much, you know, a guy from the Bronx and he's worked so hard, and he's still working so hard. If anyone deserves a medal, it's well flowing.

[Lauren Sherman]

It's true. I think the thing when I really realized, I always knew he was deeply involved. And you can see it from what comes out of the company that there is one person making the decisions. And I think generally that has benefited them. But I remember I went to a show that they did in his garage, his car garage in Bedford.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Incredible.

[Lauren Sherman]

It was so fun. And the show was. It wasn't car themed. There was, I think, a sequin dress with a car, like a race car sign on. It was something. It was funny, but cool and funny or whatever. And at the end, you know, I don't talk to a lot of designers. I do have relationships with some designers and I go backstage and do interviews and things, but most of my big conversations are with executives. And at the end of the night, I remember the comms people saying, you should go say goodbye to him. And I was like, I don't need to go say goodbye to this guy. But it was very interesting because I had written him a note. Something had happened the summer before and I don't know why I wrote him a note like, I, again, this is not something I do. And he said to me, I said, I'm Lauren Sherman. I worked at business and fashion at the time. I just wanted to thank you for having me. Goodbye. And he said, thank you for that note that you sent me. And I thought, I thought it's. I'm sure that he has people telling him exactly all that stuff, but it's the same. And Anna Wintour is similar in that she of course, has a team to help her, to make sure she knows what she's talking about. But this is a person who responds to every email who it's.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Yeah, they're not phoning it in, these people.

[Lauren Sherman]

No, they're remarkable leaders. And I thought it was interesting seeing Anna with Joe Biden because she sort of like nudged him because I'm sure they're very close and she's done so much fundraising.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

So much.

[Lauren Sherman]

And also was thinking about the fact that, like, she is British. But I can't imagine her. She's so American to me. And is. There was always all those rumors about her maybe going and being the ambassador. If she was going to ever leave Vogue, it was to be the ambassador to the UK under. And sure, that could happen, but she. She once again embodies the American dream in. In this very particular way that only someone from the fashion industry could.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Absolutely. I mean, look, she's transformed. She's like this global powerhouse. She turned Vogue into a global powerhouse and she makes and breaks careers left, right, and center, you know, and her legacy is going to be this champion of diversity and nurturing new talent and being this confidant for the entire industry. I mean, she's a one woman, like, consulting service with all these brands. It's incredible. And the philanthropic. Look at the Met Gala. How much money have they raised there?

[Lauren Sherman]

I always say, when people say, why hasn't she left? And I say, because no one wants her to leave. They want her to tell them what to do. We need the whole industry. Yeah.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Stay put. What did she wear for the service, though? I need to know what she actually wore. We have to look. I saw a picture and I didn't look at it.

[Lauren Sherman]

It looked floral. Let's see.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Probably Ralph Lauren.

[Lauren Sherman]

No, either Ralph or Tom Brown or. Let's see. Congressional Medal. Oh, it was Tom Brown.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

It was Tom Brown.

[Lauren Sherman]

She looked great.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Always does.

[Lauren Sherman]

Looked great.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Bravo, Anna. Bravo.

[Lauren Sherman]

Bravo, Anna. Moving on to a new generation of editors. I went to the W magazine party on Saturday night.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Tell me everything because I was so bummed to not be there. And I was swatting up on my stuff for the next day, trying to get hold of the stylists who were actually at that party, by the way.

[Lauren Sherman]

There were really not many. I'm sure you know, Rebecca Ramsey, a good friend of mine who was an editorial stylist and has. She lives in LA and has moved more and more into celebrity. She is styling Justine Loop from Succession Obsessed. She looked great. I thought she looked. She was wearing Prada. She looked so good. So they were there, but I actually didn't really see any other stylists that night. It was so fun. It was a great party. I went last year, too, and it was really fun last year. This year it was packed. It felt Nicole Kidman and Angelina Jolie were both there forever. They were just hanging out. Yes, they were just hanging out.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Wasn't Nicole's daughter there as well? Sunday?

[Lauren Sherman]

It's possible. I didn't see her.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

I mean, she's a little Supermodel in herself. Incredible. She's walking. Mew mew. And I mean, the fact that they're all hanging out, they're all on this camp. I don't know if it's a campaign trail or they're really enjoying it, but they're living the best life right now.

[Lauren Sherman]

They're having a great time. And, you know, Nicole Kidman, she's won everything. She's just. If she wins this year, great. If she doesn't, she's fine.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

But she's fine. A great ponytail.

[Lauren Sherman]

Totally. The best part of it, I would say was. And there was a corner where Jamie Mizrahi, the stylist who does Adele, she's so good. She's. And Mikey Madison, she's just been killing it with her. Was. She's very good friends with Nicholas Guess Ger from Louis, the designer of Louis Vuitton. And they were hanging out. And then I had seen Hedi Slimane when I was coming in, and he sort of looked at the line to go in and he went downstairs. I thought, oh, maybe he's not coming. Maybe he just acts like. Or maybe he saw the line and was like, I don't want to deal with this. But then he came in and they were just all hanging out and talking. And it was so cool because, I don't know, I couldn't think of another party that he would willingly go to. And then also just feel relaxed and chill, like there aren't a lot of publicists there. It's really just a place for people to hang out and have fun. It was really fun.

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[Lauren Sherman]

I wanted to ask you. I'm really impressed by Sarah Moonves and what she's. How she's transformed w. And kind of, I don't want to say brought it back to its former glory because it feels really modern, but has made it feel like a modern, real fun fashion magazine. What did you think of their recent great performances covers? She always collaborates with their editor at large, Lynn Hirshberg, who has, like, the insider track on Hollywood and knows all the celebs and does these great interviews with them. But I was curious what you. It was Mert and Marcus did the.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

COVID Marcus shot the COVID Yeah, it was amazing. It's like you say it's like the Hayden. It's this next generation. It's fashion, it's music. They're all coming into one. They look so cool. The conversations are really interesting. And to be a fly on the wall at that party, I mean, it's actually like the editorial conversations feel like you are at the party. That's what's cool about it, because it's not written in a certain way. It's just like it's a conversation, and it feels very authentic to those people who are in that room. And it is the.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

I mean, she's doing a great job. I love it.

[Lauren Sherman]

It's a great.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

More. More. What was Zendaya? Wasn't it Selena? Who else? Ariana was on the COVID Cylindhia, Everyone.

[Lauren Sherman]

Everyone was. It was fabulous. And I thought Zendaya looked really great, too. I loved her. And Chloe, she doesn't. She's not like an obvious Chloe girl. And I thought they did a great job with that flamingo bathing suit. So you were busy.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

More Chloe.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, more Chloe.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

More Chloe. No, I was definitely busy. I was locked in my room at the Beverly Hilton talking to stylists and designers, as I do the night before any awards show, to get all the gens. So then when I go out there, you know, I'm more prepared, and I can surprise people with what I do know about their look or have a good conversation around it and then tell the tale, make it relatable as well to people. Because I think there's so much there that is translatable for all of us, and we're so fascinated by it and what's gonna be the trend. And, you know, the backstory behind the look is really interesting, and it's often quite dramatic or there's a funny tale to tell and it's still stuck in customs. Or this wasn't the first dress. Or you should have seen the other dress. You should see the rack. Like, there's some good banter. I'm glad it can be told a bit more now.

[Lauren Sherman]

What do you find that people outside of the industry. You've been doing this for a while now. And as you were saying, more and more the general public is interested at what happens behind the scenes. What do they kind of go gaga for when you're. And it sounds like you do tons of reporting and prep beforehand just to be able to have the conversations on the red carpet.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Yeah, I mean, like, you do all the prep, and there's like 3% of it makes air.

[Lauren Sherman]

Right.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

But that's. That's the part of the job I think people are fascinated with the craftsmanship. You know, from the point of. I think I've turned this into a whole industry where I'm like, okay, give me the construction details. So, like, Armani will send me every single beadwork. And now it's just become a thing. And even before I walk out, everyone's sending me the numbers, the hours that we worked on it. There's so many beads in this. It's come become like this breakdown by numbers at this point. But I think people are interested in that. They're obviously interested in the behind the scenes, the glamour of it all, the what didn't really make it. We all know that's a big, big part of the process as well. And I think people are really now, they respect the fact that these looks don't come together overnight. These stylists are working relentlessly, and there's a big business behind it that is running this machine that we then see on the red carpet. And it's fascinating. And we can talk about it more openly now as well. I think, you know, that shifted as well from being this, like, dirty little secret. And stylists wouldn't even existing. When I started talking about it, they did, but we didn't talk about them.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, yeah. It does feel like the business imperative of the red carpet is sort of everybody's cards are on the table now, and everyone understands how valuable it.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

That's why I can have my fashion spot, if you like, where it was like, oh, you can't just talk about fashion. That's superficial. It's like, absolutely not. You know, it's a big part of the business. And they're often telling really good stories about the movies. Look at the method dressing right now. Right. That's so much part of the story that they're telling on the carpet. Then, yes, we want to talk about that. And if you want to be an ambassador and you want to ambassador. That's fine, too. The ambassadors will be ambassador. And we're okay with it.

[Lauren Sherman]

Totally. We love people making money, especially when they look good, look good doing it. So zooming out on this year. This is sort of first day of school, you could say. I've said Emmys are because that's like, really the start of the awards season, but really this is the start of the race to the Oscars. So how did you feel coming out of last night? Like, what did you think the big idea was from the red carpet.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Trend wise? I mean, look, I thought overall it was a solid start to awards season, and it's setting us up in really good shape for the circuit ahead. I'm really excited about it, actually. It feels like everyone was out last night. Everyone was wanting to talk. There was a genuine buzz in the air. Have you been on the Globes carpet?

[Lauren Sherman]

No, it's.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

I mean, it's chaos. It's pandemonium. There's this, like, people running around everywhere, publicists everywhere. It's just nuts. But it's just celebrity banging to celebrity running. Like, everyone is just in one small space tripping over each other's dresses. Oh, my God, you look gorgeous. So there was an energy there, right, that you really felt I had missed in the last couple of years, I think. But now it feels it's back more than ever. Then you've got the TV people and you've got the film people. And as I said earlier, everyone's in campaign modes, so it's full force. Everyone's chatting. Everyone wants to chat. So it did. It set the table. And I think from a trend, from a fashion perspective, there was a parade of great looks. Lauren, I mean, you saw, I think it was one of the stronger globes I've seen in a long time. There was some really great nods to old Hollywood. New Hollywood is old Hollywood. I mean, it's not new, but it felt actually quite fresh last night. You know, you see people like Selena Gomez and Zendaya, and they looked fantastic and they look modern, but they were paying respect and homage to the old world. And it's like Erin Walsh, I spoke to her, she said it really well. She's Selena style. She's like, we're putting these extremely powerful women in these very feminine dresses. And there's something really wonderful about that juxtaposition on the carpet today. And I completely agree.

[Lauren Sherman]

I agree. I thought Selena looked great, and she doesn't. I don't know. I'm sure she's worn Prada before, but she I feel like she wears a lot of Oscar de la Renta. I thought it looked. And that color, that Prada ice blue. I thought it was beautiful.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

I don't think she looked better. Ever look better. And she's so happy as well with that ring on her finger.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, so good.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

That one then. Zendaya News today.

[Lauren Sherman]

I know also that one. I was like, that can't be true. But I guess it is. Young love. She looked amazing in Louis Vuitton. I think Louis Vuitton is killing it on the red carpet. I went to the cocktail for the Academy Museum gala last year and there were tons of LV dresses in person. They looked so good. And I thought, Emma Stone in red and she wears Louis Vuitton. She's an ambassador or whatever it's called. Um, and she has been for years, but she always wears it. She was wearing the strapless, beautiful red gown and she got a pixie cut. And I. I think that was the best she's ever looked.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

The best. I love that pixie cut. I think there's gonna be many of us reaching for the scissors with that one. It's. It was like that nutmeg color as well. And she's doing the Mia Farah, she's playing Mia Farrow. So it's all for the role. But it was funny because people were rooming it quite for a few weeks. She was on a carpet and kind of someone moved her wig. People were like, is she wearing a wig? So it was a Petroflannery styled her and she was very excited to bring her out. She also styled Zoe Saldana last night who looked knockout in St. Laurent.

[Lauren Sherman]

Beautiful.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

So yeah, I mean, St. Laurent did well as well because obviously they produced the actual movie, Emilia Perez as well, which is. This is an interesting conversation. It's seen these movies now doing full fledged productions and they did a great job. Anthony Vaccarella, well done.

[Lauren Sherman]

So fascinating and they are real. A lot of the films that they've done, they've done three, I think so far, or three went to Cannes maybe. But Amelia Perez is in the Oscars conversation now. It's really, it's so interesting. More Hollywood and fashion. Fashion interaction. And Zoe Kravitz obviously looked great and she always. She doesn't ever go wrong, doesn't deviate from excellent ever. No. What about the guys who did you. Who were you big on?

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Guys Wise? I loved Colman Domingo, so same. Right. I mean. And it's the first Alessandro collection for Valentino. They're kind of like a romantic Match made in heaven. You see the Colman and Alessandro, that's the dinner you want to go to. He looked incredible with the polka dots and the color and the high waist and the cummerbund. Daniel Craig, incredible in his three piece. He was actually wearing Armani. I was speaking to him, I was like, Loewe, because he's obviously done queer. And Jonathan Anderson again was the costume designer on the show. But he did Armani last night. But he still looked great. He's in his fashion era. I said to him, he wasn't too impressed when I said it. Said, you're really having a fashion moment. You're having fun with fashion. You enjoy it. My new fashion icon, he's like, you've got the wrong guy. I'm not that guy. Come back.

[Lauren Sherman]

He looked, he looked really good. And it was double breasted. Was it velvet?

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

It was velvet, yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

I was surprised it was Armani as well. I once. It looked like Armani. But you expect him to be in Loewe because he's, he's up in that world, but he's a Loewe campaign star. But I thought it was gorgeous. He looked really good. I, I gotta say, I love Jeremy Strong.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

I knew you were gonna say that. Speaking of velvet, I mean, how good was that look? Bravo, Warren. Alfie Baker and Jeremy. Oh, so good. The bucket hat.

[Lauren Sherman]

The bucket hat.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Jade velvet bucket hat.

[Lauren Sherman]

I saw him probably a month and a half ago at San Vicente Bungalows and he was wearing a bucket hat, of course. And I texted a friend of mine who is a designer, who is more of a private client designer. I don't want to reveal his name because he's very, very private. But I said, do you work with Jeremy Strong ever? Because I just got like a vibe of you coming off of him. And he said, oh, yeah, he's one of my clients, so I love working with him. But you know, the thing. Thing is I was messaging with someone last night who knew him back in the day and said he used to buy when he was like a poor actor in his 20s, like full price Dries Van Noten coats. He loves fashion. He just loves fashion. And I thought it was very brave. Not brave, but like cool of Loro Piano. Obviously he was on Succession, which is like the Loro Piana TV show.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Launched them into. Catapulted them into the national consciousness.

[Lauren Sherman]

Exactly. But I thought like that color, I thought it looked, it was fabulous. And the hat is, is funny. But you know what, that's his thing and I, you gotta love it.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

You Gotta love it with the glasses as well. The whole thing, you know? And he's great, and he's owning it. I said to him, like, how do you. How are you working? Like, what is it? You overthink things? Are you, like, in the Method? He's like, I'm pure instinct. I just love fashion. It's like, with acting. It's just instinct for me. And I tried. I saw this kind. I was like, done. So he's great and he loves. I love a boy who loves fashion.

[Lauren Sherman]

Me, too.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

It was great. And Andrew Scott looked great. And he was doing a whole David Bowie in the bright blue. It was fantastic. Another Warren Alfie Baker client. No. There was a lot of fun.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. I thought Jake Gyllenhaal looked good. A friend of mine didn't like the buttons on his jacket, but I thought.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

He looked great, I think. With which of the girls did you like?

[Lauren Sherman]

I loved Emma. I love Selena.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

I loved Demi.

[Lauren Sherman]

Demi All. I mean, she's just. She is. She's one of my, like, number ones. Who else was I really into?

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Mike, you mentioned she had the gold Bottega.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes. And that was the last. And I've confirmed this with. To many people, that that was the last, like, Mattu. You probably heard this too. It was the last Mattu dress, like, custom red carpet that they're gonna do. So I thought it was beautiful. And I also think that. Speaking of Jamie Mizrahi, I like it when Jamie works with women who. And men. But really, she works mostly with women who look best in classic stuff. And, like, Mikey Madison isn't some fancy fashion. Well, she's fancy, but she isn't some, like, avant garde. You can tell she's comfortable in, like, lady clothes. Adele, same thing. And I think Jamie is really, like, very good at that. I also thought Viola Davis in Gucci, which she apparently has worn this before. I thought that dress was gorgeous. I loved Kerry Washington in Balenciaga. I love Naomi Watson Schiaparelli.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Love that it was such a good dress.

[Lauren Sherman]

And I also love Tilda Swinton in Chanel. In Chanel, which, like, she just. Her. She has amazing style. She would make anything look good. And I thought that it was just no one could have provided that look for her. She had to have chosen it and looked through and said, I want this and this and this. It was just so interesting.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Yeah, I. I did. I loved Cynthia Erivo.

[Lauren Sherman]

She was.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

I was chatting with her on the carpet. That dress was incredible. That was lv. And it was. Oh, it was such lightweight it was like this black lace trickle, like, completely covered in sequins. And the peplum. Do you see the exaggerated peplum? Please Google this. I know it's a podcast and it was backed in crinoline, and the Louis Vuitton people were telling me how it was, like, emulating the wings. Jason was saying, she tried it on, and she said, I feel like I'm floating. And the first thing I said was, where's the green? Like, what's going on? Very confused. And she said, well, you know, she showed me her hands and those crazy nails that she's got, which are just magnificent. And they took her five hours that morning to do it. But obviously there was the green there. Worth it, you know? But those dresses take, like, 1400 hours to make. I was told it's incredible. That's amazing work that goes into it. Oh, and IO. We have to talk about.

[Lauren Sherman]

Tell me. So what did you think? The. The Loewe spin on the Julia Roberts. I'm assuming Armani suit from the early.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

90S, from the 1990s globes. Look it up. Reference this. It was brilliant. And she did it with the tie, which was a. An actual pheasant tie. Gold dipped with the grill on the teeth. So cool. She dyed her hair red. She'd done it in the hotel room that morning. She basically said that it was a massacre in there. She hoped the hotel people have a passion for fashion because it's a complete disaster. You know, she and Danielle are a match made in heaven. Danielle was actually on the red eye bat with me last night. We were laughing about. We were going through the looks on the plane. We were those people.

[Lauren Sherman]

IO had on Danielle Goldberg. Her stylist put Ayo in this purple Comme des Garcons dress for the W party. That was also amazing. She. It feels like she's really kind of. She's real. She was always into fashion, but now she's like, I'm gonna go there. Because she knows that she can. And it's fun. It almost feels like, like you said, she dyed her hair red. She's playing characters.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Yeah. And there's always a story behind it. There's real. She's really good at storytelling, but in the coolest way. It's never gratuitous in the way that you're too.

[Lauren Sherman]

So I have a question for you.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

When One thing I've noticed, like, living out here and going to more of these events, sometimes I'll see something in person and be like, wow, that's incredible. And then I see it Photographed and it didn't look as good. Was there anything that you saw on the red carpet last night that you feel like the photographs or the images that you've been looking through didn't do it justice?

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

That's such a good question. Let me think about this now. Who was I seeing? I think Zoe Saldana's was probably even more excited, exquisite in person than it comes across. Cynthia Erivo, maybe even as well. Because in person it was just a work of art and it was an architectural miracle how it was just floating. Who else? Actually, you know, it's interesting. Ariana Grande's was the reverse in. But she shoots so well as well. She looked great in real life. But then I saw it in the pictures and it really came to life with that lemon yellow. Yeah, that was a 1960 vintage Givenchy she got from Lily AC. Lily AC I think.

[Lauren Sherman]

Who's her stylist?

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Mimi.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, interesting.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Yeah, they've done a great job. I mean, she's such a theatre kid, isn't she? Like, she's always in that character. Who else looked great? I think Elle Fannings. You saw. Did you see that?

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes. I actually really liked it. I thought it was. It's not. I would never be like, yes, please do a leopard print bodice. Why not?

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Lauren, I could totally see you wearing it.

[Lauren Sherman]

Just generally, no one, like, when would you think that would look right? But it looked cool. It looked good. And I thought she also is someone. I was thinking about that last night. I just think she has the inner sense of style and can pull stuff off that I don't know if there are many other people could have worn that and looked comfortable, but I liked it. I thought it was. Yeah, it was cool.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

She's youthful, she can carry it off. And then she had the Cartier panther necklace on as well. It was like. She didn't do a jewel with it. She did like the heavier choker. It was good.

[Lauren Sherman]

She.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

She matched it well. She keeps it youthful.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

She had a career. She wanted to have a whole, like, fashion designing career, I believe, as well. That makes sense with what you're saying.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, I like her and her romance with the Wenner kid. I'm really into that. Maybe that'll be the next engagement.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

That's the one another Disney kid, Anna Sawai, was. Oh, yes, that bodice. Carla Welch styled her and she was telling me it's Dior. So it had this white leather bodice, which was remade from a black. They'd seen the first collection of Maria Grazio at Dior seen the black version aspirate in white and they did it with a white satin skirt. It was the chicest warrior I've ever seen and just flawless in every way. But I don't know if that would have read. I hope it read in pictures. But I know in person it was just magnificent.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, I thought she looked good and I thought she was the best of the Dior looks that I saw. I thought. Is it Monica Babaro?

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

I can't wait to see this movie which I can't remember the name of the Bob Dylan movie.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Oh my God. It's called Timothy Chalamet.

[Lauren Sherman]

It has like a. Yeah, it's like, oh, Nazi forgot to. A complete. A complete unknown. There's also a movie. I think there was another Bob Dylan movie called I'm Not There or something. And there's another movie this year called I'm not There. So I keep getting confused. But Monica was in. She was. One thing you might know her from is that she was in Top Maverick, but she also is in this. She plays Joan Baez in this movie. I completely. And I just think she's so beautiful. I thought that the dress maybe in person she looked pretty, but like it. She's. She's gonna be a big deal. And I wanted her to. It didn't feel like it was like framing her to be a big deal. So I wanted it to be more. I thought that the other. The Shogun actress's Dior dress was the. It's Anna, right?

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Anna Sawai. Yeah. From shown. I think, you know, what you said about the picture not doing it justice, maybe that was it because that dress in person, it was. Every one of those was tiny beads, but not like. Like sequin beads were just like bead beads.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, it was.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

And she was throwing it around. She just looked really comfortable. And it was kind of that effortless way of doing something that is quite a glamorous gown. So I know, I liked it and I think you're right. She's going to be a huge deal.

[Lauren Sherman]

Huge deal. So out of looking, surveying brand wise, like there's always the big brands get in and they get a lot of credits. But who do you think was the most successful this year?

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Louis Vuitton, probably. Right. So you've got Zendaya, you have Cynthia. Right. Kate Blanchett, who redid. So she wore her can dress and I think it was the can dress and then she had it reworked. The bib had just a lot, lot more sequins put on it, which she's obviously famous for and sustainability is in her life day to day. I love the fact she finds it so unremarkable that she's wearing sustainable clothes. Let's not. It shouldn't even be a conversation. I don't know why it's so remarkable. And it's true. You know, she's. She's making a very good point. So lv, Tiffany had a good night.

[Lauren Sherman]

Always. But they're. Yeah. The Tiffany you mentioned, I think on an Instagram post that Selena was wearing Tiffany. Right.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Selena was wearing Tiffany and she had that giant like a 5 carat diamond around that necklace. I read on the press release could also be converted into a ring. I was like, she's good for the ring.

[Lauren Sherman]

She's saved for the ring.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Yeah, they had, I mean they had some beautiful stuff. Cartier, obviously, in the jewelry. Who else did a good night Blensiard. Are those in? We had three Balenciagas out there.

[Lauren Sherman]

I thought that Balenciaga. I, I will say it again. I loved Kerry Washington's. I love that pink and I love the tights, the sheer tights. I'm very into. I thought it looked great. I thought Nicole Kidman looked beautiful. It wasn't my favorite ever of. Of her, but I thought she looked really good. I thought Schiaparelli, that Naomi Watts dress was just dynamite and was one of the best red carpet pieces that they've ever done.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

I agree.

[Lauren Sherman]

It. It's funny because they have. This is just the beginning and, and you don't want to like blow your load. Not to be crass, but a lot of these brands like Louis Vuitton can make a gazillion dresses. Whatever they've done in the last six months with their team that's doing a lot of the red carpet stuff and how they work with Nicolas, something has changed and it is just. I think they're doing such a great job. Last year too at the Oscars, I liked Emma Stone's mint green dress. That was sort of, I know it like fell off or something happened, but I don't care.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

I thought it was, it made it better.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, it was like funny, whatever. But whatever they're doing, the thing is that these big brands, they have more capability, they have more opportunity. But the, but at the same time, like you can throw that all away if you're not executing well. And there are examples of that. But I think Louis Vuitton is just like firing on all cylinders. And it'll be interesting this year how much there's all these designer musical chairs that I know that you keep up with obviously all of these brands, especially the bigger ones, they have another team that helps with red carpet VIP dressing and then the designer either sketches it or sometimes they fit it. But like there's usually. If you're at one of these big, big giant, mega brands, it's usually a team that manages the red carpet stuff because that's like a whole other business. How much do you. Are you following the changes at these houses? Because a great example is the Heider Ackerman first debut on Timothy Timothay.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Timothy. It should be a shampoo.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. For Tom Ford. And so that was like a preview of what's to come. And, you know, it looked like Heider. So you're not totally shocked. I love this sort of blue scarf and he. I love his little Timmy's little mustache. It's great. I'm really into the mustache renaissance. I have to say. I'm from mustache, but I'm pro.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

I think that's good. That needs its own headlines. It's literally writing its own headlines. And here's the whole method of his Bob Dylan works. And don't let me go off on a tangent. Continue.

[Lauren Sherman]

No, no, no, please, please. I love it, but I'm just curious, like, how much do you see those changes reflected on the red carpet?

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

It's always going to be a slower trickle down. Right. Isn't it, Than when it's. Someone changes guard. And then it depends if that's their priority. Right. If they've come in and it's like you said, like Saint Laurent now obviously doing all this stuff with movies. So I feel like we're just going to see more and more designers even jump in from the beginning of a movie making, like instead of at the end on the red carpet to be in on the making. Jonathan's done it with Loewe as well. And you see the success of something like challenges. And that T shirt sold out. I told you, I completely sold out. Because you're merging this culture with the designer, with fashion, with these major celebrities, and the power is undeniable. So I don't know what we're seeing as yet, but I can imagine anyone looking at a playbook like, you know, saying this is what we should be doing. Because the ROI on this, the investment on a red carpet is not to be sniffed.

[Lauren Sherman]

No, you're exactly right. And you look at Jonathan, you look at Anthony Vaccarello and Saint Laurent, the Amelia Perez. I interviewed the costume designer for a event we did with Puck and she's amazing. She was also the artistic director. And they actually came in on that movie pretty late in the game. So she incorporated their. Her name's Virginie Montel. They. She incorporated stuff from Anthony's recent collection and then also looked at the archives pretty late. And you can see. I mean, she wears. Zoe Saldana wears a red velvet suit. You know, it's like, you know that Saint Laurent. But I'm sure Anthony has aspirations or should have aspirations. Jonathan, he actually spoke on this panel as well, and it was interesting. We talked more about Cor Queer than Challengers because I think Challengers was more contemporary and he designed more stuff for that queer. He sourced every single item vintage to be of that era. And so.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

But even the underwear.

[Lauren Sherman]

Even the underwear. So it's interesting because I could see him. I think you're right. Like, these worlds are gonna just keep combining. And if you can make good art out of it, which people are doing more power to it. And the sort of ending with Zooey wearing the Saint Laurent dress on the red carpet is just so much. It's like a full circle type thing. It's really interesting.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

It's like when you go back to the Edith Head days, right? So she used to be the person who would form everything on the movie. She would dress every single character in the movie and then she would take them all the way through to the carpet. They would be owned by the studio, basically, in their entire image would too. All the way. All the way through the press. So it's kind of like going. It's flipping it back on its head again. Now you've got all these incredible houses in on the get go from the film and then they're dressing them on the carpet. It's really fascinating. Okay, question for you though. If you were going to. Which designer would you want to do a movie like ba. Do the whole costumes. Who do you want to see?

[Lauren Sherman]

You mean direct or just do costumes?

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Just do costumes. Hey there.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, that's hard.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

I'm asking you. And I don't know my answer either, but let me.

[Lauren Sherman]

Let me. I will think fast. I think Demna would be funny. That would be great because he's so sort of tapped into what. Yes, into like normal people. So if he could do for. I'm much more interested in costumes that aren't sci fi or period that are like of or if they're period like what Nor quote unquote, regular people wear. Because I think that's a lot harder to pull off than something fantastical. It's not as maybe not as much technical prowess. But it requires like you to really. To get that totally right. I think he'd be interesting. That or Marc Jacobs.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Oh, yes, please get that one, someone, please. I can't believe that's not already happened.

[Lauren Sherman]

Totally. And given what he did with the Vogue issue that he edited, even the market page where he. It was. He had a purple Birkin in it. It's just such specific detail. And that to me is when. When costumes are interesting in a film or television show, it's always because they're like, exactly right. And they got one tiny little thing exactly right. And he. He would pull that off in a second. What about you?

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Now I'm thinking my own question. I mean, I like the idea of this, like, the more real. I mean, remember when Tom Ford did like the Single Man?

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

I kind of want to see another version of that. Like something that's so. Like we can imagine even a Victoria Beckham doing a whole movie. I kind of want to see that.

[Lauren Sherman]

Please.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

I really want to see this. Or you could go completely on the other spectrum. Imagine like even a. I know, just some fun and like Christopher John Rogers. Can you imagine how beautiful and vibrant that would be?

[Lauren Sherman]

He should partner with like a cool, a 24 director and do it. That's really, really smart.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Let's start that here. We're putting that out there right now. It's our wish for 2025.

[Lauren Sherman]

Wish for 2025. So which, which show, which red carpet are you bound to next?

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

I will be doing the Grammys next. I'll be doing them over here. I'll be doing the Today show stuff for critics and sex. And then we have E for the Grammys, which is a mammoth show. You know, you do the four hour countdown, then we do a two hour thing and then we fly. I always fly back the red eye and then come and do the stuff here. I thrive on this weird adrenaline the day after. Just like, because you have so much information. It's like, I want to give it out. I'm not. These people are giving me the time and information. I want to share it. So there's the Grammys and then we'll have obviously the Oscars and then the Met. That was actually fun. I was speaking with Coleman about the Met because he's obviously going to be co chair, right? Co chair. That's the word. Sleep. Sleep deprivation is kicking in and he's already starting on his references.

[Lauren Sherman]

Love it. He. He is. He's a gift to our community. That's what I would say. He's just like he's, I think he's pushed a lot of the other male actors to try harder on the red carpet as well, which is fun.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Yeah. And he's only in a non pretentious way, which I love.

[Lauren Sherman]

Totally. Speaking of non pretentious, Santa, thank you for being here.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Thank you so much for having me.

[Lauren Sherman]

This was so fun. You have to come back and we'll talk Oscars or met or something.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

I would love to. Thank you so much and congrats on an awesome podcast. It's a must listen to.

[Lauren Sherman]

Thank you and get some rest. Thanks.

[Zana Roberts Rossi]

Good night.

[Lauren Sherman]

Fashion People is a presentation of Odyssey in partnership with Puck. This show was produced and edited by Molly Nugent. Special thanks to our executive producers, Puck co founder John Kelly, executive editor Ben Landy and director of editorial operations Gabby Grossman. An additional thanks to the team at Odyssey, JD Crowley, Jenna Weiss Berman and Bob Tabador.