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Lauren Sherman
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Lauren Sherman
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Lauren Sherman
Hello and welcome to Fashion People. I'm Lauren Sherman, writer of Huck's Fashion and Beauty Memo Line sheet and today with me on the show is Carolyn Faux, fashion stylist and author of the book Motivations. We're talking LVMH succession, Jonathan Anderson's Loewe Goodbye who might be next at Balenciaga and plenty more. Happy Tuesday everyone. I'm back in Los Angeles on the solid court beat on this episode. Carolyn and I really get into it, so I'm going to keep this part short. If you want the latest on LVMH succession, some intel about the future of New York Fashion Week and some shoe designer musical chairs specifically involving the row. Be sure to check out line sheet and I hope to see you in LA in the coming weeks. Carolyn Faux, welcome to Fashion People.
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Kristen
Thanks for having me. This is a pleasure and an honor.
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Lauren Sherman
I'm so excited because I think that you may be a guest on here before you've been a guest on. How long gone is that possible?
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Kristen
Definitely they'll never have.
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Lauren Sherman
Why have you and Alex not been on. I don't understand you. You two just don't want to do it.
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Kristen
No, I don't think it's that. I mean, we've never been asked, first of all. And second, like I don't want to ask, you know, like, you gotta come to me.
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Lauren Sherman
I had this issue with them also where I was like, you've had literally every person on that. I know. And you haven't already. I was finally okay because Jason was like, you should come on. And it come back On. And I was like, oh, I've never been on. And Chris was like, I just assumed. I was like, no, there's a reason. It's fine. But then I was on, and then it didn't work. Then I was on and it didn't work. But then I was on with Chantal.
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Kristen
Okay. Yes, whatever. The timing was better anyway. There was the book, and, you know.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, you're right. Well, I'm glad you're. You. You've agreed to be on Fashion People since you are a fashion person and maybe not a coastal elite in the same way as I am more of.
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Kristen
A coastal elite than Jason is. You know, I.
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Lauren Sherman
You're right. You're right. So there is a lot of news today. One thing really quickly I wanted to bring up for the loyal listeners is that last week when Mel Ottenberg was on and we were doing a Fashion month wrap up, I accidentally. We were talking about all the, like, new show, the debut shows, and we were like. I kept saying, I know there was a third one. I know there was a third one. And Mel was like, nah, there were just two. But there was a third one. It was Juliana Dries Van Noten that we. We forgot to discuss. What did you think of that show?
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Kristen
Yeah, I think I liked it. I don't know. I need a moment to digest. I think I. Yeah, I think also the way that I look at shows, like, it's. I really need to understand, like, what the project would be for that I would use it for. Otherwise, I'm just kind of. It's my personal opinion. And, you know, I don't know. I don't like very many things, though, I think. And the way that I. When I say that, it's like, could I see myself wearing this? That's like, what I'm thinking for myself.
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Lauren Sherman
How closely do you look at the shows right after or during that month? Or do you wait until you're working on something that you need to pull from a particular season and then do you scan?
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Kristen
It depends. There's certain brands that I'm always, like, excited about, and I'm like, okay, what do they do now? And that. But mostly, like, because there's so many shows, right? Like, I. I feel like I usually just wait till there's an editorial, which I'm actually in one right now. I'm prepping for one. So this is, like, kind of good timing, you know, Like, I'm pulling all the fall stuff. So, yeah, I'm pretty up to date on it right now.
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Lauren Sherman
What did you love from this past.
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Kristen
Season, I mean, Tom Ford, you know, I thought that was really exciting and that was really cool. And it felt really buzzy. People wanted to talk about it. I. I've also always liked Hyder Aerman, I always think, you know, I've always thought he was really talented. What else did I like? I guess Mew Mew. Yeah, I mean, I thought that was interesting. Like, I always like Mew Mew, though, you know, I mean, at least for the past few seasons. It's such like a. It's a hot thing. Oh, and Calvin. Calvin. Is that like an easy answer? Just because.
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Lauren Sherman
No, you know, you know, you bring it up, you bring these two up in particular. And what I thought both collections did was sort of present something that felt very like the way young people actually dress. And especially Miu Miu. I went to Squirrel yesterday. I got back on Saturday, of course, Sunday, we went to Squirrel for family meal. And first of all, that has become a young girl's brunch date spot.
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Kristen
Wait, how do you mean?
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Lauren Sherman
So it's like for a while. So pre Pandemic, obviously, it was just like every single person we've ever met went to Squirrel all the time and you run into people and then Pandemic, they obviously had. Anyone could just like Google Squirrel and jam. I don't want to get into it. We're all big supporters of Jessica Koslow here and, and love her. She's the Alice Water of our generation. So. But you could look up, they had a little scandal situation and then. And so I wouldn't say the business died down, but the line changed. It was just like the line wasn't as long. And then also Courage Bagels opened down the street.
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Kristen
So, I mean, honestly, Jason and I couldn't have been happier when that happened. Cause we were like, finally, we can go to Squirrel in peace.
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Lauren Sherman
Yes, agreed. And it was just, it was just easy. Everything got a little easier and you could tell they were doing really a lot of business with delivery. So I'm like, fine, lazy people. Get your food delivered. It takes like an hour and a half. Good for you. And we can enjoy our life. But this, this time we went, we got there, I think like right at noon or maybe right at 11:30, I don't remember. But the line was pretty long. And it was, it had aged down significantly. So it was all like 25 year old girls, all of them on like friend dates. So tons of groups of young girls, which was interesting. And a lot of them were like pretty dorky. I felt like these were the kind. These are the girls that I was friends with when I was 22 years old. Not as cool as you, Carolyn, but.
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Kristen
Like, that truly is sweet. That's truly sweet.
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Lauren Sherman
But, like, but they all. The funny thing was you mentioned Miu Miu. I took a couple photos and sent them to Leandra Medina, Becky Malinsky, who I'm on, like, a fashion text chain with it. They looked like they. They looked at the Miu Miu show and they tried outfits on. They were all wearing skirts, a lot of them wearing high boots. Mixed colors, lavender, purple. It was. They. And they were green. Like, a green. One girl was so cool. She had cowboy boots on, a black lace slip, a cool, like, band T shirt.
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Kristen
Wait, I love this.
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Lauren Sherman
Yes. Yes.
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Kristen
Okay, so it's a cute little scene.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, yeah, it's a great scene. I. I love this. I was very excited for them all to, like, live their lives and talk about their relationships around me as I was with my child and. And husband. Okay.
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Kristen
Do you think they are visiting? Like, do you think these are little girlies coming up from Orange County? Or do you think these are people who move to la, live in Silver Lake? They're doing. They're like working at Trader Joe's or something, or a vintage shop. Living the dream.
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Lauren Sherman
Yes. I think they live in Glassell park, though, or Lincoln Heights and not Silver Lake anymore because they can't afford it.
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Kristen
I mean, unless mommy and daddy are paying. I like that narrative too.
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Lauren Sherman
It's true. There were two girls who were. I'll send you the photo. Like, the one had on leopard print ballet flats with white socks. Like, these girls definitely follow you on Instagram, is what I would say.
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Kristen
Well, I mean, I'm flattered by that. Wow. All right.
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Lauren Sherman
What do you think of Los Angeles style post pandemic and how it's changed?
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Kristen
I mean, I don't think it's really changed that much. I feel like this is the thing with la. People always say, oh, LA has such bad style. It's not as cool as New York. And like, really, like, honestly, that's such a fun, boring statement to me. Wait, am I allowed to say that?
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Lauren Sherman
Yes.
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Kristen
Okay, great. It's such a boring statement. I think it's like, you know, there's obviously, like, pockets of really cool chic people that get it that are world travelers. They've seen it all, you know, and they have, like, such cool personal style and perspective. And then there's going to be groups of people that are just like trend chasers or, like, you know, it's Just fashion isn't really their thing, or they just love wearing sweatpants and aloe sets. Like that exists in New York. That exists everywhere. Even when I went to Paris, I was seeing that. So I don't think, you know. Well, maybe we're veering from the question now. Post pandemic fashion, la, I think it's always been kind of the same. I've not really noticed a difference.
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Lauren Sherman
It feels to me like it's very all over the place. But the thing is, I didn't live here pre pandemic, so when I would come here, it'd be very concentrated. I would say, if you want to see good clothes, I mean, Squirrel on Sunday at 11:45am was definitely a place. Is it Barro Santos, that restaurant in Glassell park that's owned by the same people that own Found Oyster? Is that what it's called?
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Kristen
Found Oyster has Queen street, but Barro Santo is like. What is that? It's like a Portuguese spot.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah. They own that too. Yes.
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Kristen
Oh, they do. Oh, okay. I didn't realize.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, I'm a big fan that place. I feel like if you want to see amazing fashion, that's where you go in la.
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Kristen
Interesting. Okay.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
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Kristen
I've not really noticed it. I've been there a couple of times. I've not noticed, but, you know, the vibe's always been good.
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Lauren Sherman
It is so good.
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Kristen
Yeah.
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Lauren Sherman
So. So back to Paris. This morning there was a big announcement that we have all been waiting for, that Jonathan Anderson is leaving Loewe. Right. After months of speculation.
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Kristen
Right.
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Lauren Sherman
What do you think? Are you. What was your kind of relationship to his Loewe?
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Kristen
I mean, I like him as a designer. I think the clothes are very interesting for editorial. I've never purchased any pieces for myself. Not to say I don't like it. I just think that I dressed a very specific way and Loewe is not that way. But, yeah, I'm happy for him. I feel like, you know, he's been there, what, like 10, 11 years? I would want to change too. I guess that's a decade, you know, and he's going, where now? Where did they say?
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Lauren Sherman
They haven't said, but he's going to Dior.
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Kristen
Right. Okay, I can confirm that makes so much sense to me. I mean, like, just the architecture of what he was doing, like, in terms of the garments. Architecture of the garments at Loewe, I feel like that translated to Dior will be really beautiful and really interesting.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, I agree. I think, look, there are a lot of people I talked to Pretty much every person I spoke with in Paris over the last two weeks, we discussed this situation. And some people were like, he was so good at Loewe. I mean, he turned that into nothing, into a real something and a significant business for that company. I think it's $2 billion now. We're winning. He. I mean, it was probably like 200 million or something small, really small, maybe a little bigger because they just have so much distribution, but made it into a $2 billion business. And he has so many ideas. And the thing about him, just from I have been writing about him and reporting on him as a, you know, as a business person, he owns his own company, but also as a creative director since think the first time I did a story on him was 2011. So have seen. And it was. It was the. Before he was doing women's. Even with his line. I went to his studio in East London and what I would say is this is a person who has, like, unlimited ambition and also really tries to push himself mentally and creatively in a way that I'm not sure anyone else of his generation is capable. And so as much as, like, he was really great at Loewe and could do 10 more years and it would be interesting. And he really pushed. He changed the narrative there about halfway through the tenure into something much more conceptual. But I would say. And there is, you know, I don't want to say reticence, but, like, a little bit of worry about him going to somewhere like Deor and running men's and women's, with which no one has ever done. It's always been one designer for each. And it's already a $10 billion company and they wanna push it to a $14 billion company. And he's. I don't wanna say a niche designer, but a designer who has specific tastes. And so how do you apply that? But I think the reality is that you're exactly right. You and I should wanna go and spend money on a bar jacket. I mean, we could get them vintage, and that's what most people will do, but we should want to buy one. And I think that's what is. And also the accessories and. And handbags. Like, yes, you have to have the Lady Dior. And they just launched this new bag that. Honestly, I don't remember the name of it. I'm. Not. It's not. I'm not a fan of it, but I like the Lady Dior, but, like, make it into something that I. I want that. And I think he'll be able to do That.
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Kristen
I agree. I mean, he. He has. He knows what's happening. Like, I feel like just, you know, Greta Lee wearing Loewe all the time, like, he just senses, like, the right people and the right vibe to kind of bring to the brand. And I feel like that. I mean, that's like a different thing than design, but, like, equally important, you know, because I feel like, what's the vibe at the fashion show? Like, who are the people that are here? Who's wearing you on the red carpet? Like, a lot of that does play so much into the influence of a brand.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah. Yes, for sure. His ability to be a part of culture is. He really understands. It's very millennial. He really understands commercial culture.
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Kristen
Did you like him as a costume designer on Challengers?
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Lauren Sherman
I loved it.
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Kristen
Yeah, me too. Me too. I want him to do more of that.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, I'm same. And I think he did Queer also, which I went to see and I actually interviewed him about it. And that was all sourced pieces, nothing design, nothing new, which was great. It was amazing. But I would say that, like, I could see you, your personal style and your approach as a stylist, like, really vibing with. With a lot of the way he approached it. Like, it was just. I thought the mix of brands. And I talked to him about this, like, how they mix Nike and Adidas and Uniqlo and the fact that they figured out how to get away with that is amazing enough. But he just. Like that pair of plaid shorts that totally. You know, I bought them for Dan Frommer on the Internet. Yeah, I don't think it's on them. I mean, I don't think he's ever worn them. It's fine.
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Kristen
He'll figure it out. You know, maybe he just needs, like, a little suggestion here or there.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah. Yeah. Do you wear any vintage Dior? Are you more just Chanel?
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Kristen
I mean, I love vintage Chanel. I like new Chanel. I'm like, literally the last person on earth, I think, that likes new Chanel.
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Lauren Sherman
Still not true. Not okay.
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Kristen
Yeah, I don't really, you know, the things that I collect vintage. It's Tom Ford Gucci. It's Chanel. It's some Galliano, if I can afford it. You know, it's like getting so expensive now. It's crazy. But, yeah, I don't really. Nothing outside of that.
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Lauren Sherman
Interesting. Yeah, I. I just got a Tom Ford Saint Laurent dress. Oh, I'm gonna. I'll show it to you.
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Kristen
Where did you take her?
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Lauren Sherman
You know, it was actually, speaking of Mel Ottenberg it was his curation on the selects on the RealReal when he did a collab with them.
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Kristen
Wait, how did I miss that?
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Lauren Sherman
Oh, it was so good. They did not do a great job of promoting it. No offense to the real, real much love. But, like, it was not exactly right the way that they positioned it. I did a lot of promotion of it because I thought it was so good. I think they should do it again because everything was like under 500 bucks, I think. Oh, really good stuff.
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Lauren Sherman
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Kristen
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Lauren Sherman
The Loewe announcement was just. And there will be more announcements because they're going to announce the new designers there in the next couple weeks. Proenza Schooler founders.
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Kristen
Right, right.
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Lauren Sherman
Jack McCullough and Lazaro Hernandez. But then. And then obviously Jonathan de Dior will happen probably after that. But last week there were tons of announcements. There was endless. Yes, there was the Simone Bellotti to, to. From Bali to Jill Sander. Yeah. Then there was, oh, Versace, Dario Vitale to Versace. And then there was Damn Nettaguchi. And the only. Well, I guess the Bally spot is open, but there are questions of what they're going to do with it from now on. But the only open spot is Balenciaga and I don't think, because Demna's working there for the next six months on Couture and then they'll do Couture, I think in May or June, I think probably earlier than the rest of Couture. But don't quote me on that. But I have a feeling. But he starts at Gucci in July, so I have a feeling they'll wait until he's done to announce the next person, if they can. And I was just curious who you would like to see at Balenciaga.
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Kristen
Well, okay. I don't know if this is controversial or not, but John Galano at Balenciaga, I mean, that could be, like, the comeback of all comebacks.
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Lauren Sherman
You're a big John Galliano fan.
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Kristen
I am. I mean, like, okay, I understand that. You know, he up. He said some things, he did some things. He's repented for it. I think he's, like, stayed, you know, kind of lowkey for a while, if. But if you just look at, like, the early shows, like, it was so, so gorgeous. It's so beautiful. It's so theatrical. And I think Demna at Balenciaga similarly, like, very theatrical. So I. That, to me, is very interesting. I've also heard rumor about Martine Rose is that.
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Lauren Sherman
Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Kristen
I'm less excited about that. I agree. Yeah.
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Lauren Sherman
Someone DM me about that. I think, look, I think Martina is incredibly talented, and there is this. There's this challenge in the business where it's all white men who get these jobs, usually gay white men. Not that that is even. I mean, that gives you a little bit of diversity, I guess. But in fashion, it's the opposite. Like, it's like. It's like a group of men who all know each other, and they all get these jobs. And I think when someone's. Which is why it was exciting that Luis Trotter was appointed at Bottega Veneta, who is, like, a person with a lot of experience who isn't a white gay man and is being given the opportunity to run a very big house with a lot of commercial potential in front of it. I would say with Martine, look, she worked with Demna. I think she's incredibly, incredibly talented. I don't think what they need is. And it's not that she would do a continuation, but what they need is something in the same universe as what he did. I think they need something totally different. And so I find those narratives challenging because, yes, it would be cool, but it's like. It's kind of like, when are you gonna just vote for a woman because she's a woman? It's a similar thing. And I think in this case, a lot of times these people are appointed, and it's not good for their careers either. Like, it should be the Right. When she was being. When she was in the conversation about Louis Vuitton, that was more exciting to me. Like, it just was. It just made a little more sense. John Galliano look like. I'm not. I agree that like the circumstances in which he was taken down and scandalized. First of all, that happened over a decade ago. Second of all, I'm not sure. I don't think I really enjoyed the documentary on him about a year and a half ago that came out.
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Kristen
Yes, I loved that.
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Lauren Sherman
I thought it was really good. I'm not sure it made him seem totally innocent or totally in the clear, but like people are human. And I agree it's not about that for me, I would say.
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Kristen
I think in that documentary it was very apparent that he was just in a bad place. I think there was maybe alcohol, maybe drugs, maybe a combination of both and he was just not well.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
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Kristen
And I think in the documentary his. Whatever current day, he, He. He recognizes that, you know, it's. He's not hiding from it by any means.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah. So yeah, he's not a. He's not a perfect person regardless. But also, should that mean. Does that mean he should not never work again? That's not up for me to decide. I think the bigger thing for me with him is like, I don't think what he does is connected to reality in any way. And that's fine. And it was fine at Margiela because they had a base of. They had a merchandising base of product that like from. From Martin Margiela and merchandise out of what he did that. It's funny that Margiela was thought of as like so conceptual but ended up being like a really commercial designer that. Whose ideas lasted forever. Like is Hermes Margiela. Someone I was just talking to you was saying it was so sort of. I don't know if it was reviled, but like really not looked like looked down upon when it came out. And now it's like all we wear is Martin Margiela Hermes knockoffs or from the real. Real like I had, you know, but so, so it's interesting but. And they did a really good job at merchandising around Galliano to make that last couture show work. And I don't know if there's enough of an infrastructure at Balenciaga and Balenciag is too big of a. I think they need something where the fashion proposition translates to the store. And that is where I'm not sure he would be the right person. I mean the ones that have Come up for me are Peter Mueller. Mueller. I don't know how to pronounce it and I probably never will. Um, yeah, I mean, I'm sure if I asked him, I would not remember, like five, five minutes later. But from. Who's that? Aliyah. I think it. He's tremendously talented and he can totally do it and it would be awesome. That said, like, I love his Alaia and I want him to do more there. The other person that came up recently that seems far fetched but could be interesting is Raf Simmons. But like, who? And maybe he doesn't do Prada anymore. Maybe he does this. I hope that's not. I hope that's just like Internet blabber. But I thought both of those were. Would be exciting. The other one that people have mentioned is Ricardo Tisci, but I don't know. That's a guy who, like, literally, I've been hearing rumors about him since 2009.
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Kristen
What is he up to?
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Lauren Sherman
Nothing. And he needs a job.
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Kristen
I've heard, like, he hasn't worked since, what was it, Givenchy?
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Lauren Sherman
Since Burberry. Don't forget. Never forget. But it's interesting because, I don't know, I think, like, it makes sense. He cleared his Instagram account the day before all this went down and. Which is kind of like, are you just trolling or. Wait, did you engage?
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Kristen
Did you detective this stuff? Did you, like, see it yourself?
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Lauren Sherman
No, someone sent it to me. Okay.
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Kristen
Okay.
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Lauren Sherman
It's like actually multiple people. There was a particular group of people who was. Who. Who had, who noticed it, and they were all like, talking about it. But I mean, I don't know, it might not be any of them. I don't think the person. I think the person's probably set, but it. Maybe they're still working out the details. Sure.
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Kristen
I mean, you would know more than anyone.
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Lauren Sherman
You're in it. I will find out. Don't worry. I'll know for sure. Right now, I really don't know. And, and my.
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Kristen
Who do you want? Like, who's your. Who's your pick?
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Lauren Sherman
I don't know because I really, I. Part of me is like, yes, Peter. Because I know Peter would do an amazing job and I'm a massive, massive fan. But I love him at Alaia and I also think Rishmaat really needs him. Alaia's business is doing incredibly well and it's. I don't want to say it's carrying the fashion group, but it's. It's become like, integral to that very tiny fashion group. And if they want to keep doing fashion, it's to me, the success of Ly and the early successes at Chloe with Tamina showed that, like, being a smaller brand, but having having a mix of like a really strong Runway and some key commercial pieces, that's what consumers want now, like, they. You're not going to wear anything that's on the Runway, but you go to the store and you buy a really cool dress, or you buy Mary Janes, or you buy what have you, and.
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Kristen
You buy the flats, you buy the bag.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, exactly. And they've proven that that's still possible. So part of me is like. And I really just love the team. I think Miriam, his CEO, is really cool. She's like the chicest woman ever. Not that that matters, but it does in some ways. And I think she's just. She's really. There's a. There's a few rising star CEOs, Pascal at Loewe, Severina, Celine, that I am just interested in. And I think Miriam is part of that crew. And so part of me is like, no, I don't want him to go. I do think. I mean, look, I'm trying to think of a young person who hasn't gotten a shot yet who would be really.
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Kristen
Good, but do you think Balenciaga would take that chance?
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Lauren Sherman
Well, look, it's a decent sized business. A lot of the business is accessories. I think they have the way that Kering is set up. Kering breaks out numbers for Bottega, Veneta, Saint Laurent and Gucci. They don't break out numbers for Balenciaga yet. It's kind of in a group with Alexander McQueen and a couple other small Brioni, some smaller brands. And so you have a little more room. And also, like, the motorcycle bag is doing really well. It's really strong. There's a lot. That sneaker, those sneakers might not be like the thing now, but they will be again in 10 years. Like sneakers and shoes.
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Kristen
Okay, wait, I have a question about that motorcycle bag. Is it actually. Are they actually selling numbers or have they just gifted that bag to every single person?
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Lauren Sherman
We know they're selling it. Okay, they are. But yes, I'm sure that is a big part of it, too, in terms of why we see it. The thing I would say is my understanding about that the accessories business generally is that a lot of that business is done in Asia and not just China, but in Korea also, and also, you know, South America, the places that, like, we. I always get this question about Jackamus because It's a big business and people are like, who wears it? Who do you know?
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Kristen
Everybody wears it.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah. And also the bags are like pretty affordable. And in Asia business is huge. So I think that like a lot of that kind of business happens outside of. And also in Europe where people spend money on clothes and accessories and things. I think like in America if you're going to spend money on something like that, you're probably going to buy Hermes or Louis Vuitton or what have you. Unless you're like really into fashion, which most people aren't like the majority of people. But then there are, you know, the people that we see. A lot of those women are buying either sample sale bags or they're buying secondhand. So you. Right, I mean you see like beat up motorcycle bags everywhere right now. And I do think that that benefits them in some ways it's a challenge because like girls who would save up for motorcycle bag previously maybe are just buying secondhand. But on the other hand, like people with the means might see a cool girl with a motorcycle bag and just think, well, I'm not going to waste my time trying to find the right one on, on the realreal, but I'll instead just buy it full price. So yes, I do think, I do think that that business has improved for them because it just was a, it's like a trend cycle thing. I heard recently that Isabel Marat the wedge sneakers are doing well again after like 10 years. They were huge for 10 years and they were huge out in like tertiary areas. And then they went and they were like death and now they're back. So it's like this stuff always comes back.
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Kristen
I fully forgot about Ismael Mara for at least like 10 years. And just this last season I was looking just because I don't know, it was an advertiser that I had to look at for this editorial and I'm a big fan.
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Lauren Sherman
It's really good.
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Kristen
It's so back. Yeah, it's like that whole indie sleaze era and suddenly I'm here for it like that. And Chloe, I never really cared about Chloe. Very, very into it right now. Both brands even. Yeah.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah. It was so funny in Paris I noticed that like every single guy was wearing a Morant baseball cap.
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Kristen
I don't know about that.
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Lauren Sherman
It's. Well, it's not cool guys, but it's like every single, A lot of guys at fashion shows who not, I mean, who's cool? Who works in fashion? No one, but. But it was really interesting. And then I posted about it. And someone messaged me, sorry, I just got a new order from Chanel. Oh, it's just lipstick recommended by Marissa Meltzer. The interesting thing was, so I posted a photo of a guy and I covered his face being like, I've seen so many guys with this hat on. And someone messaged me, who's a professor at FIT and said all the kids there wear Marant sweatshirts and Marant baseball caps because it's part of being, quote, unquote, preppy. Which Sarah Shapiro, who writes to Two Days of Lynching, our retail correspondent, is ex buyer, really expert on this stuff and also has an 11 year old daughter said, did you know the definition of perfect preppy has changed?
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Kristen
Okay, but like, how is that preppy? I don't know.
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Lauren Sherman
It's not preppy. It's not preppy. But the thing is they've completely divorced the word preppy from its original meaning. It has nothing. It's not connected in any way to prep school attire or anything that's like related to that sort of culture that it, it means nothing, essentially. It doesn't mean anything. It's just like they say, I want to dress preppy. And the way they, when you look and see what they think is prep, quote, unquote, preppy, it makes, it doesn't make any sense. It's like the word completely lost any meaning. I wonder, you know what, I wonder what David Marks thinks about this. I bet he could write about 4,000 words on why this is because I've messaged him previously and been like, david, probably five years ago or even seven, when the rowing blazer stuff was really big, I messaged him and I was like. And Noah was kind of seeping into the culture and everybody was copying. No, I was like, I think preppy is becoming in fashion again. And he like really disagreed that it could be fashion. He was like, it's not a trend, it's just a way of being. And I was like, yes, but it is both. And now it's become like completely. It has nothing to do with the original concept of it and is now just a word that is used on TikTok to describe a collection of clothing that has nothing to do with what we know as preppy culture. It's extremely weird.
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Kristen
Okay, I need to dig into this because it's making me feel old. That I don't know. And maybe the new definition of preppy from what you're describing by like an Isabel, Isabel Marant sweatshirt is just like clean cut.
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Lauren Sherman
I honestly don't know. Okay, I'll.
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Kristen
I'll look into it.
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Lauren Sherman
The thing I would say is that if this. Oh. In. In a new AI overview, in a new Geno, the lead definition, preppy, refers to a bright, girly aesthetic characterized by pink smiley faces, ribbons, and trendy, often oversized clothing with a focus on popular name brands like Lululemon and Stanley. So it's basically basic B. But what I would say is.
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Kristen
Wait, I hate that.
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Lauren Sherman
It's. I don't like it. It's really. It makes me. It makes me upset. But what I would say is it's.
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Kristen
It's aligned with fall y'all type of gal.
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Lauren Sherman
Yes. And it's like love shack, fancy vibe. I'm not. The whole thing is very stressful. What I would say is.
- [37:31]
Kristen
Stressful is a good word.
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Lauren Sherman
I am happy for Isabel Marant that who cares how they're making all this money.
- [37:39]
Kristen
Sure.
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Lauren Sherman
The fact that they have gotten to a point, because when you're younger than me. But when I was in my late 20s, Isabel Marant was only starting to be distributed in the US And I would go to Bird on Smith street and get, like, one thing on sale, and it was a very much a thing of. Only French cool girls wore this brand. Emmanuel Alt. And if you want to look like that, you wear it. And then the wedge sneaker made it much bigger with, like, more fashion consumers, and it still kind of kept that thing. Like, it's still cool girl, French girl. The clothes are amazing. But if it can become a name brand because of these sweatshirts and hood, these and hats, like, good for Isabel Marat, because that is finally the sort of export of French cool girl style becomes like, let's make it a billion dollar business. Good for them.
- [38:38]
Kristen
Listen, I love buck. I love it.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, we love Catwalk.
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Kristen
I support that. I support it. I'm an American at the end of the day.
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Lauren Sherman
Speaking of making a buck, last week when I was in Paris, another journalist said to me, French people don't like rich people. Because I was trying to understand the way the French people look at Bernard Arnault, who is the richest man in the world on a good day, versus the way Americans look at some of our billionaires. And here, if. If you act badly, you do end up getting a bad rep. But generally, people love rich people and they want to be rich. They see them as examples of how to live or whatever. And last week, Mr. Arnault, who is the CEO and chairman of LVMH, the 75 company conglomerate that he owns and has owned since 1988, he proposed. He sent a government journal, released a memo saying that on, I think it's April 17th at the LVMH shareholders meeting, Arnaud and the board would propose that he be able to stay CEO and chair until 85 years old. He's 76. So nine more years.
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Kristen
I mean, I gotta say, it's very low and rain Roy of him, so.
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Lauren Sherman
Logan Roy. But. Except for this company is like. Yeah, it's very American. It's. It's the. Except for the fact that this company is like very successful and Waystar, Royco was. Was challenged. But the reality is, who else can run a 75 company business like conglomerate.
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Kristen
If he's still kicking, if the brain is still working, like, why not? Why not?
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Lauren Sherman
I agree. I don't think any of those kids want that job right now. Maybe they want it in 10 years. I don't know if any of them will actually ever get it. I could see a situation where a couple of the kids run the business together. I could see a situation where the company eventually breaks up into smaller companies. Probably not, but I think there are a lot of investors who think that that would be a better way to do it. But yeah, all that being said, like, if he. If he's able. I don't. He's the found. Like he's not the founder, but he's the founder. He. He is the founder of the business that exists now. He might not be the founder of LVMH specifically, but he created what is there. And I just don't think there's anyone else. There's definitely no one else with the amount of knowledge, but also let feeling good. The minute people stop working, things go down. I agree.
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Kristen
I agree. He's got to stay Booze.
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Lauren Sherman
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Kristen
The Del Frisco date?
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, Del Frisco's dinner at Del Frisco. Have you ever been there?
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Kristen
I have not like to me. Okay, just the name alone goes There. I don't know. It reads like, is this like a Red Lobster? Like what's the vibe? It's supposed to be a fancy steakhouse, yet I don't know it. The name is Giving Chain. I. Yeah. I don't know.
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Lauren Sherman
Maybe.
- [42:57]
Kristen
I think David Cho told me that he like low key. Kind of likes it there.
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Lauren Sherman
Well, this is the thing I was gonna say. Should we ask Allison Roman if it is? Yeah, I. I just feel like. Let's see if she responds immediately. Do you. I know she's a keens girly. Exactly like keens is. I feel like more. If you want old school thing.
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Kristen
Yeah, it's like more charming or something.
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Lauren Sherman
To me, Peter Luger is extremely overrated. Don't me. I'm sorry I haven't been there in a long time, but I really didn't. Yes. Del Frisco is. Is definitely a chain. I just think it's a weird. It was. It's a weird choice. Like I get them going to all those other places that are. I like Chaney, I like chains. I love, love a Houston's. It just seems weird.
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Kristen
I agree. But at the same time, like, you know, Travis, Kelsey, Taylor Swift, like, it all makes sense.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, it's.
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Kristen
It's. Sure. I agree with you. Like right off the bat I was like, don't Frisco. That's weird. But of all the places too to go to, that's where you went. But at the same time I'm like, this makes sense for them. You know, like she can get a little salmon, he can get a little baby back rib or a steak or you know, corn on the cob, mashed potatoes. Whatever the looks though, I have to say this is like probably the most normal I've ever seen them dress.
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Lauren Sherman
Yes. I thought it's. It's hard to really see. I. I did wonder if she had on pantyhose. Skin colored. I guess you can't say nude anymore. But it looks like she might have on nude pantyhose like a.
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Kristen
Like a. Like a cabaret dancer.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah. Which like that's cool. Maybe not. It. It's probably just that it's blurry.
- [44:44]
Kristen
Yeah. That would be absolutely.
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Lauren Sherman
I guess you would call them skin color, not new skin colored. Yeah.
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Kristen
Yeah. That would be absolutely mental and kind of amazing. I. Okay. My thought when seeing that, I. I feel like she's wearing like an Aritzia corporate core.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
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Kristen
Blazer miniskirt set. Which honestly like anything better than what she's normally wearing.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
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Kristen
Can't. It like hurts my eyes to look at that.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, I didn't mind it either. I thought it. I thought that the. The jacket was nice.
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Kristen
Yeah, fine.
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Lauren Sherman
My. My main issue with him right now is the hair.
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Kristen
Yeah. What is the hair? I don't know.
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Lauren Sherman
I think it's an implant. I think he got implants.
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Kristen
No.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
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Kristen
No way.
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Lauren Sherman
Yes. Because here's the thing, which I am pro look, like if you need your hair, get. Get hair implants. Like. I understand. I'm. I don't. I'm not judging that. But there is something that happened. Forget who explained this to me. Someone explained that, like when guys do. When they get the hair implants they have, it's like pretty long because they graft it.
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Kristen
They grabbed the hair from another part of their body.
- [46:02]
Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
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Kristen
That would be absolutely.
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Lauren Sherman
It's just so bad. Whatever it is, he needs to fix it.
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Kristen
Yeah. Okay. But do you think this is just like post season blues? Like, you know when actors like finish a film or a press tour and.
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Lauren Sherman
He didn't win themselves.
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Kristen
Go. They didn't win. This is them in mourning, not wearing. Because they're usually in like red and yellow.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
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Kristen
Crazy colors.
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Lauren Sherman
I don't know. I think he looked way better like a year ago. So I'm a little concerned. I just think he. Yeah, I mean, he's. I think like his face and I'm just looking at his hair, his buzz cut. He has a lot of hair, so I don't know if he would need to do the.
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Kristen
Yeah. I never thought of him as like a guy that was losing his hair.
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Lauren Sherman
It's just a weird haircut. Like, I don't. It. It doesn't make any sense. It's upsetting to me personally.
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Kristen
Yeah. I don't. I don't know. Like, these two people, I just. I can't. I can't look at them. Like, all due respect to that, I like her music enough. I think he's a great football player. Sure. I don't know anything about football. I just like the really good. I hear he's not that.
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Lauren Sherman
I think he's. What is his. Is he a tight end? Travis. I think he's the best tight end in like, to ever play or something like that. Yeah, he's the type. He's potentially the best tight end to ever play. Because those words were slipped into my copy once and I was like, you need to remove this because I don't know what it means.
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Kristen
Yeah, sports isn't really my thing, but sure, you know, like, I guess. I don't know. I don't get the appeal? Actually, I don't at all. Never have. It's just not in my wheelhouse.
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Lauren Sherman
No, I agree. I mean, neither. Someone said to me, the brothers. I don't. I'm not interested in.
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Kristen
No, I mean, like, to be honest with, like, I know there's a lot of, like, sports people going into fashion now and again. People are going to hate me saying this, but, like, it's just so over the top. It's so tacky. It's.
- [48:22]
Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
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Kristen
I don't get it. It's not tasteful.
- [48:26]
Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
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Kristen
And it doesn't feel like personal style either. You know, it just kind of feels like who can be the loudest.
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Lauren Sherman
It's interesting. I just did something on. Russell Westbrook is going to start a. Start a newsletter. It comes out, I think, the first time on Wednesday. So this is running March 18th. I think it comes out March 19th. And Russell is, like, really into fashion. He cares about fashion. He's interested in fashion. He's probably like the first basketball player to be, like, super into Tom Brown. And that, I think, is interesting. And I like it. I think it's. If you're gonna have a famous person in your campaign, having an athlete who has, like, accomplished something is kind of interesting. But I think you're right in that it's. It does feel really forced in many cases. And in a. What I think is challenging is you see this on the red carpet a lot with men and women, but the, the brands don't know how to dress people with muscular bodies.
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Kristen
No.
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Lauren Sherman
So they just look weird. Like, it's either. I think the Thom Browne stuff that's really tight is kind of on purpose and that's fun. Like when a super muscly guy's wearing like a really tight Tom Brown suit. I, I can like, appreciate that in, in one particular. But you can just see it, especially with the women. Like, the garments aren't tailored properly because they're. They're not used to like, really, like, athletic bodies or whatever. So it does feel like a lot of it is. Is sort of a cop out or just like an. They think, oh, these. This person has a huge reach. Why don't I try to, like, capitalize that on that or whatever.
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Kristen
Exactly. I mean, to me, you know, it's. Listen. And I understand too, like, every body type, especially if you're an athlete, like, you might be more broad in certain places and it's. It can be difficult to address that or like, find the right sex silhouette. That's flattery, you know, So I understand that it's difficult. But I do completely agree with you. I think sometimes they're just like, here, throw this on. We'll just, you know, take up the hem. And it's. It just needs so much more than that.
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Lauren Sherman
Yes, totally. I. I think that what could be interesting for you is to start a business where you become a stylist to athletes.
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Kristen
I don't like doing personal styling. I mean, I know it's weird. I'm a stylist that lives in la. I don't really do that. I just. It's. It's very difficult. It's a lot of. Let's call it psychology. I don't know. I just don't. That's like a whole different job to me.
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Lauren Sherman
It is a whole different job. And. And it is interesting. I have a couple friends who are stylists, including you, and Rebecca Ramsey, who does style some individuals, but she's kind of found her niche is like, she does Miranda July, and she did Sean Baker, the director of Anora, and kind of these, like, sort of east side. I mean, Shawn lives in New York, but you know what I mean? Like, east side creatives who also need to be red carpet ready. And so that's been an interesting path for her because it does just seem like such a. Such an ordeal. But the interesting thing about you is you grew up here and you ended up doing editorial and commercial styling. And you just. This book that we. You were going to come on in December and we had scheduling conflicts, but you just released this book with your friend who's a photographer, and it is. Tell. Tell us about motivations and. And what that sort of represents in terms of the kind of work that you do.
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Kristen
So, yeah, I mean, I'll talk about the book first. We kind of. Ian is a friend of mine, and we collaborate a lot on just, like, random things. We've been shooting just personal projects for forever together. But, yeah, this just kind of came about and we were texting back and forth. He and I were both traveling between LA and New York, and we would just send each other photos of like, oh, my God, look at this crazy street style. He would, you know, whatever random people were like, oh, my God, this is amazing. This is amazing. And then we just thought of, you know, why don't we do a story on these, like, characters that we've discovered and, like, a riff on that. And it's like kind of our interpretation of, you know, like, the most interesting people in la, the most interesting people in New York, and let's just put them all in a room. And so our friend Caro, who did the makeup, and our friend Dennis, who did the hair and these insane wigs, we basically just took, you know, I don't know how many models, like five or six models, and transformed them into different characters, like, to see how far we could direct them in one direction or another by way of clothes, hair and makeup, blah, blah, blah. And yeah, let's just see where we land. And so there was no intention, intention of making a book at all. It was just like, let's take a bunch of fun pictures. And we just couldn't stop. We just, like, kept doing it. And then we had so many photos and Ian and I looked at each other and we're like, oh, this is kind of cool. Like, yeah, maybe we put this out in a little bit. And interestingly enough, a magazine had reached out to me and wanting to do a very similar project. And I was like, oh, I actually just shot this thing with my friend and they looked at it and they were like, oh, cool, like, maybe you could do this for us. And we were in conversation with them and going back and forth and like, logistically, we just realized to do this again would take at least minimum two weeks of our time and so much more money. And we were like, wait, why don't we just take that money and that time and publish our own thing? And so that's what we did. That's kind of how it came about. And yeah, it's been really fun. You know, I've made, like, little projects here and there. I used to do zines a lot back in the day, like, as a yearly recap of my work and send it out to clients. And so it was fun to kind of dip back into that, but in a different way. And yeah, it's cool, you know, like, you get to select your own images and, like, I rarely get to be a part of the edit and, I don't know, just like, lay it out exactly how we want it, design it exactly how we want it, and have a little party and it was great.
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Lauren Sherman
It was so fun. Would you ever want to do a magazine? Like a biannual?
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Kristen
I would, you know, I would. I. I think I would want to work inside of a magazine for a little bit first to really see, like, the inner workings of it from a. On, like a day to day basis. Because I think what I know of magazines is very much on the other side. It's like, you know, they contact me and I do the thing and then I'm of like, in and out, more or less. So, yeah, I'd like to go in house first. And before starting my own, I think that would just make me feel a bit more confident. And I'm sure I would just, like, you know, lose a lot less money doing it that way. Just, like, knowing where. Where to spend money and where to not, you know. But, yeah, I'd love to. Maybe one day.
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Lauren Sherman
Maybe one day.
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Kristen
Yeah. See, I love diversifying my assets. Lauren, I really want to, like, do it all.
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Lauren Sherman
I mean, if you can figure out how to run a magazine with, like, three people, it could be really profitable. Carolyn, this was so fun. You have to come back.
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Kristen
I would love to. This was really fun.
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Lauren Sherman
I felt like.
- [56:04]
Kristen
I feel like we were just, you know, at dinner, gossiping, chatting.
- [56:08]
Lauren Sherman
So good. Well, we'll do it again soon. I appreciate it.
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Kristen
I. Yeah, that's a question. It's all mine. I'd love to be able to.
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Lauren Sherman
Fashion People is a presentation of Odyssey in partnership with Puck. This show was produced and edited by Molly Nugent. Special thanks to our executive producers, Puck co founder John Kelly, executive editor Ben Landy, and director of editorial operations, Gabby Grossman. An additional thanks to the team at Odyssey, JD Crowley, Jenna Weiss Berman, and Bob Tabador.