Grammys Fashion and Sydney Sweeney’s Bra Job

Summary

Fashion People Podcast Summary

Episode: Grammys Fashion and Sydney Sweeney’s Bra Job
Date: February 3, 2026
Host: Lauren Sherman
Guest: Yassi Salik (Host of Bandsplain, author of Fast and Loose)

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Overview

This episode dives into what the fashion world is buzzing about post-Grammys 2026: standout red carpet looks, the evolving DNA of fashion labels like Alaïa and Celine, and the celebrity-fueled lingerie launch from Sydney Sweeney. Lauren and Yassi bring their signature sharp, irreverent banter to award show style, industry news, and what makes fashion interesting—and sometimes infuriating—behind the scenes.

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Key Discussion Points

Personal Catch-up & Scene-Setting

[03:44 – 07:36]

• Lauren is in Los Angeles, enjoying the weather, reflecting on digging into the “Epstein files.” Quick recaps of recent reporting, especially relating to Victoria’s Secret and Les Wexner.
• Yassi shares tales from a Boston hardcore music festival and commentary on regional style and urban gentrification (“Every city you go to is just like the exact same Pret a Manger and a Chipotle and you’re like, glad I visited.” – Yassi [07:28]).
• General lament on uniformity in U.S. cities due to corporate development and private equity.

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Inside the Grammys: Red Carpet Fashion Deconstructed

[08:18 – 21:22]

The Energy and Crowd

• Lauren attends a W Magazine party co-hosted by Charli XCX and Anthony Vaccarello (Saint Laurent), joining a blend of industry and celebrity faces—“very young, cool crowd, but everyone looked great.” [09:08]

Grammys Fashion: Who Won the Night?

• Chanel Ensembles:

  • Olivia Dean in custom Chanel (both red carpet and performance looks) drew acclaim.
    “She was one of my favorites. I loved her red carpet Chanel...The black and white, though, was fabulous.” – Lauren [12:02]
    “It was very Michelle Pfeiffer in ‘Fabulous Baker Boys.’” – Yassi [12:12]

• Bad Bunny in Men’s Schiaparelli:

  • First-ever men’s look for the house, featuring a curved hourglass silhouette.
    “He just has exactly the charisma, the confidence. Like, everything looks good on him.” – Yassi [13:56]

• Alaïa Takeover:

  • Addison Rae and Hailey Bieber (both in custom Alaïa by Peter Mulier) walked major looks—body revealing, fun, and youthfully bold.
    “She’s so hot...like, bizarro world Marilyn Monroe” – Yassi on Addison Rae [16:49]
    “The makeup was perfect because it was, like, really subdued with the kind of cartoonish dress. I love it.” [17:15]

• Countrycore:

  • Lainey Wilson’s hat, statement shoulders, chunky turquoise—embracing her Southern roots.
    “She was like, I’m a country singer. I’m Southern...she looked so fabulous.” – Yassi [18:01]

• Teyana Taylor’s DIY Styling:

  • “She never looks bad...She has incredible style and also styles herself most of the time.” – Lauren [19:03]
  • Yassi: "Sometimes it can be like, 'I'm going to represent myself in court,' but [in her case]…it’s awesome." [19:42]

• Rose from BLACKPINK in Giambattista Valli:

  • The duo discuss whether the house is “going out of business” and the shock that they're still producing custom looks. [20:21]

• Other Standout Moments:

  • Doja Cat (in Roberto Cavalli): “You can really just tell, especially at the Grammys, who has personal style and who is just like wearing some random thing.” – Lauren [20:50]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “Sometimes I’m a little disappointed by the safety, but I thought there were some really fab looks this year.” – Yassi [10:32]
• “Chanel...their red carpet is really kind of coming together and solidifying.” – Lauren [12:02]
• “Bad Bunny…he’s one of the only men that can pull something like this off.” – Yassi [13:56]
• “You could argue the top didn’t fit right [on Doja Cat]—but whatever, I like the colors and thought it was interesting.” – Lauren [20:50]

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Grammy Performances & Red Carpet Vibe

[21:22 – 26:54]

• Bieber’s performance look (just his own boxers and socks):
  • “That was my favorite look of the Grammys. Bieber in the boxers and socks.” – Yassi [23:20]
• Harry Styles in Dior:
  • “He unfortunately…this is what it should look like if you don’t wear a shirt under your jacket.” – Yassi [24:53]
• Comment on Chrome Hearts and Charlie XCX’s cool “subdued” red carpet moment. [25:56]

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Industry Moves: The Future Alaïa & Celine’s Celebrity Problem

[32:21 – 41:19]

Peter Mulier Exits Alaïa, Jumps to Versace

• Context: Under Mulier, Alaïa’s business expanded, its shoes and accessories became Instagram obsessions (e.g., ballet flats, the Techle bag).
• “He was Raf Simons’ number two at Calvin Klein, at Jil Sander, at Dior. He played a pivotal role.” – Lauren [36:13]

Celine’s Celebrity DNA Lacks Clarity

• Discussion of Miley Cyrus’s Grammys Celine look—missed the natural “cool factor.”
• “Celine has not yet figured out their celeb strategy...they should be looking at people with natural personal style...” – Lauren [29:05]
• Suggestions: French indie stars, Alex Turner’s partner, older “fashion-y” celebrities (e.g., Sofia Coppola)

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Sydney Sweeney’s Lingerie Brand—“Siren” (Not “CERN”!)

[43:07 – 52:54]

• Sydney Sweeney launches her lingerie line, pronounced “Siren.”
  • “It’s called cern—oh, I think it’s called Siren.” – Yassi [43:33]
  • The brand’s logo “looks like a salad brand from 2019 or something.” – [44:18]
• Lauren’s verdict:
  • “I hate the marketing. I hate the branding. I think the stuff looks really nice.” [47:44]
  • Acknowledges higher price point ($90 for a bra) but notes luxury bras can be over $150.
• No plans for Lauren to personally review:
  • “I don’t personally think that’s part of my personal brand as a journalist.” [51:48]

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Cultural & Political Undercurrents

[53:15 – 54:00]

• Spotlight on activism with the “iced out pins” accessory at the Grammys, worn by stars including Hailey Bieber.
  • “Seeing someone like Hailey Bieber wearing it is powerful.” – Lauren [53:27]
  • Jelly Roll’s speech invoked inclusivity, religion not picking political sides.
  • General consensus that this year’s Grammys were both emotionally moving and politically relevant.

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Final Thoughts & Sign-Off

• Yassi jokes about being a “childless mother representation” at Mom’s Night Out.
• Warm thanks and back-and-forth about the state of journalism, podcasting, and fashion.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:44] Lauren/guest introductions, Boston & regional style
• [08:18] Grammy party scene, W Mag, ballet flats
• [10:32] Grammys fashion critique (Olivia Dean, Bad Bunny, Chanel, Miu Miu, Balenciaga, Alaïa)
• [16:45] Addison Rae & Hailey Bieber in Alaïa
• [18:01] Lainey Wilson’s “countrycore” look
• [21:22] Red carpet standouts, Chrome Hearts, Bieber's performance
• [23:30] Bieber’s boxers/socks performance
• [24:37] Harry Styles in Dior
• [25:56] Charlie XCX, Chrome Hearts on the red carpet
• [32:21] Peter Mulier’s move: Alaïa→Versace
• [43:07] Sydney Sweeney’s lingerie launch
• [53:15] Grammy activism, “iced out pins” symbolism

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In Their Own Words: Memorable Quotes

• “You could tell who actually had personal style.” – Lauren [20:50]
• “Addison Rae—she’s so hot, it was custom Alaïa...I’m living.” – Yassi [16:49]
• “Sometimes it can be like, ‘I’ll represent myself in court’—but [Teyana Taylor’s self-styling] it’s awesome.” – Yassi [19:42]
• “Celine has not yet figured out their celeb strategy.” – Lauren [29:05]
• “The logo is just Millennial...it could be gummies that you take for your hair growth.” – Yassi on Sydney Sweeney’s brand [44:38]
• “I hate the marketing. I hate the branding. I think the stuff looks really nice.” – Lauren [47:44]
• “Seeing someone like Hailey Bieber wearing [the iced out pin] is powerful.” – Lauren [53:27]

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Tone & Takeaways

The episode is sharp, slightly irreverent, and leans into the insider perspective—making fashion both accessible and deliciously gossipy. Lauren and Yassi favor authenticity and personal style over formulaic red carpet moments. They offer both quick critiques and deeper industry context, making this an essential listen (or read) for anyone interested in the crossroads of fashion, celebrity, and cultural shift.

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End of summary.

Transcript

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[Lauren Sherman]

Hello and welcome to Fashion People. I'm Lauren Sherman, writer of Fox Fashion Fashion and Beauty Memo Line Sheet and today with me on the show is Yassi Salik, host of Bandsplain and author of Fast and Loose. We're talking Grammys, fashion, the future of Alaia Sydney Sweeney's lingerie launch, and so much more. Happy Tuesday everyone. I am in Los Angeles this week. I'm trying to not do much and just enjoy this weather. In Monday's line sheet I get into the Epstein files. I spent way too much time on Sunday looking through them. I'm sure I didn't find everything you want me to find. Message me. I'll try to find more stuff. Just send requests. Anyway, I did attempt to dissect a very peculiar email about Victoria's Secret mastermind Les Wexner written by Epstein, sent to Epstein. Sort of like writing notes to himself before the Notes app exist. I guess the Notes app existed in 2014 when this email happened. I don't really remember. The Notes app is my life, so I don't know what I would do without it. Anyway, as you may know, I wrote a co wrote a book about Victoria's Secret with Chantal Fernandez who was on the show last week. The book was called Selling is called Selling Sexy Victoria's Secret and the Unraveling of an American Icon. And it covered their relationship pretty in depth. But if you want to know more, read more on line. Cheat. Sign up. You know it's not that expensive.

[Yassi Salik]

Do it.

[Lauren Sherman]

I also address a very odd but perhaps not unfounded rumor about Sabado di Sarno potentially joining Ferragamo. I don't know if it's true. I know that he interviewed there within the last year. For what? I don't know. That's all I know for sure. I reached out to Ferragamo, they did not have a comment, so we'll see. I'll keep you updated as the story develops. But this is a fun issue, so please check it out and enjoy this moment with y'. All. Yossi, by the way, is a fellow.

[Yassi Salik]

Phoebe Philo fan girl. I know you will like it.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yossi Salik, welcome to Fashion People.

[Yassi Salik]

Lauren Sherman, thank you so much for having me. It's an honor and a pleasure.

[Lauren Sherman]

Honor and a pleasure to have you. So are you in Boston store? Are you back in Los Angeles?

[Yassi Salik]

No, thankfully. Well, not thankfully. I actually really loved Boston, but I'm back in la. Just it was a little cold for my, my blood in Boston.

[Lauren Sherman]

So tell us what you were up to in Boston.

[Yassi Salik]

I was at a hardcore festival.

[Lauren Sherman]

Cool.

[Yassi Salik]

Hardcore, punk and emo music. So you guys can know that I'm the perfect guest to come talk about 2026 Grammys and Grammy fashion.

[Lauren Sherman]

You know a lot more about fashion than maybe people realize.

[Yassi Salik]

Well, it's a, it's a hobby. It's an interest and a hobby for me. But I am wearing the T shirt that I slept in and sweatpants right now. So just take everything I say with a bit of a grain of sal when I'm criticizing these beautiful people.

[Lauren Sherman]

I'm super close to that. I only changed because of school drop off, but that's, that's what I would be wearing now too. Okay, question for you. What was the fashion like in Boston? Just puffers because it was so cold.

[Yassi Salik]

Really a lot of puffers. And I don't own a puffer. Nothing against a puffer. It's a utilitarian piece of equipment and it was 3 degrees. But yeah, lots of puffers. Lots of the zip fleeces underneath the puffer. But everyone was like out in the streets There was an ice protest across the street from our hotel. And I was like so impressed to see people. It was one degree outside and they were just out there all day. I was a hardy people.

[Lauren Sherman]

Well, you know, I went to school in Boston and I have some issues with New England and the way of life there.

[Yassi Salik]

But beyond. Beyond the weather problems.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. So this is my issue. And I do think it's like they come from. It's Puritanism.

[Yassi Salik]

Right.

[Lauren Sherman]

This is a group of incredibly like on paper progressive people. But their actions are often reflect a lot of repression. So it's just like a very weird thing where everybody seems super progressive and liberal, but they're actually kind of like conservative and repressed. But that being said, like, of course they would go out in the snow and in the cold, more importantly and suffer like that. But I would also say as someone who lived. Who grew up on the east coast sort of and then lived on the east coast for most of my life and has been moved to Los Angeles five years ago, we have looked this up and there is a. After you've been in an environment for two years, your body adjusts. So when I go back now, the first couple of years going back to the east Coast, I was totally fine in cold weather. And now when I go back, I'm like extremely affected by it. And it's different. Like Mediterranean cold weather is much easier for me to manage than like dry cold weather.

[Yassi Salik]

Yeah, yeah, it's.

[Lauren Sherman]

It was.

[Yassi Salik]

It was something. I think the thing that I was the most devastated by was going to Newberry street and being like, oh, they tore down paradise and put up a parking lot. But the parking lot is like aloe stores and sweet greens, you know?

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. What is Newberry Comic still there?

[Yassi Salik]

Yeah. But it's like a funko pop store.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Yassi Salik]

I think they have some records, but it's not giving, you know, I mean.

[Lauren Sherman]

I feel like it was already moving in that direction when I lived there 20 years ago.

[Yassi Salik]

But every city is like that though. It's like every city you go to is just like the exact same pred a manger and a Chipotle and you're like, yeah, glad I visited.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. That's the world of private equity and development that we live in. Yasi. So speaking of. I don't know if speaking of is the right segue here, but perfect. You are a music journalist. Sure. And I thought it would be fun and a lover of fashion. I thought it would be fun to have you on to discuss Grammys fashion. Last night I went at 10:35pm to the Chateau Marmont to Bar Marmont for the W magazine party with Charli XCX co hosted. It was incredibly crowded. Congrats to Sarah Mumbes because there were a lot of people there. I saw Mahala from industry.

[Yassi Salik]

Oh, hell yeah. Industry. Wonderful show.

[Lauren Sherman]

There was like a lot of famous people there. Ludovic Saint Cernan, the fashion designer who dressed. He dressed one of the big K pop groups last night.

[Yassi Salik]

Did he, didn't he dress Cat's Eye?

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes.

[Yassi Salik]

Not K pop exactly. But what are they? I know what you mean. They're like a girl. Like a sort of like a multi ethnic.

[Lauren Sherman]

So not K pop girl group.

[Yassi Salik]

No, not. I mean the music has K pop tones to it, but I think they're like a pop group. A girl pop group.

[Lauren Sherman]

He dressed Cat's Eye. He was there. There were a lot of young famous people that I don't know who they are. The guys from. Connor from heated rivalry was there, of course.

[Yassi Salik]

Oh, okay. He's out here in these spaces. He looked good.

[Lauren Sherman]

It was co hosted by Anthony Vaccarello from St. Laurent. It was a cute party. I was old for it, but it was fun.

[Yassi Salik]

It's okay. There's a meme that I always like to reference. I don't know if you've seen it, where there's a woman sitting on a couch and it's like, okay, so there's this 56 year old woman here and that's how I feel every time I go to like literally anything, like the hardcore festival. Any show, any party. Okay, so there's this 56 year old woman here and that's fine. I don't mind. To be that woman.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. My spiritual age is definitely 60. Unfortunately there was not a couch for me to sit. No, I had a good day.

[Yassi Salik]

It was really fun. Were you wearing heels? I would. I would have made it like seven minutes.

[Lauren Sherman]

I wore my like zip up boots. Lisa with a double eye from the row, which are like. I think they're very walkable. No, it was fun and it was really fun. Sarah Moonves seemed to have a great time. I saw Will Welch came outgoing GQ editor. I saw Chris and Jason and Carol. I didn't see Carolyn, but she was there. David Cho was there with Lane Florsheim. These were the only people I knew. It was just like a very young, cool crowd, but everyone looked great. What did you think of the fashion at the Grammys this year? Because it's not. It's. You can't judge the fashion at The Grammys, like, you judge fashion at other award shows. It's a different rubric. Yeah.

[Yassi Salik]

I mean, I think I always. I'm, like, a little vma pilled, so I always, like, want people to go a little harder in. In the paint because it's, like, music and it's fun, and, like, sometimes I'm a little disappointed by the safety, but I thought there was, like, some really fab looks this year.

[Lauren Sherman]

Me, personally, do you know who all of these people are, and do you know their music?

[Yassi Salik]

Okay, so the answer to the first question is mostly yes, but the answer to the second question is a resounding no.

[Lauren Sherman]

Okay.

[Yassi Salik]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

Do you feel a responsibility to engage with some of the music to understand what's happening in culture?

[Yassi Salik]

Not really. I mean, I'm a music journalist, like, with heavy air quotes, but, like, I traffic in nostalgia and I dropped in guitar rock music. So, like, knowing the ins and outs of the Olivia Dean album is, like, not really my business, you know?

[Lauren Sherman]

I understand. I. I don't think I will ever know any song that Olivia Dean has.

[Yassi Salik]

It's so fine, babe. Every year they make one of these people to sell the CD at Starbucks or whatever. And it's good, and they love Motown. And I'm. I understand, like, Nora Jones has wrought a lot in her wake, and it's. We need it. It's to keep the balance of the universe.

[Lauren Sherman]

Well, she did look really great in Chanel.

[Yassi Salik]

She was one of my favorites. I like, I loved her red carpet Chanel. Is it custom? Custom Chanel?

[Lauren Sherman]

It's. Yes, it was custom.

[Yassi Salik]

And then I actually really loved her little, like, sparkly red mini that she performed. And it was like giving a little Mariah Carey with her big hair need to look at.

[Lauren Sherman]

Look it up.

[Yassi Salik]

It was like during the best new artist medley. I don't know. I don't know who the designer was of that, but it was like. I thought it was very chic, and it was very, like, oh, yeah, that's cute. Like Michelle Pfeiffer. What movie is it where Michelle Pfeiffer wears that red little slinky and sings on the piano?

[Lauren Sherman]

The fabulous Baker Boys.

[Yassi Salik]

We're gonna get. I think that might by the film community, but. Sorry.

[Lauren Sherman]

Don't worry. There's no crossover.

[Yassi Salik]

No letterbox bros Listening. No, no.

[Lauren Sherman]

There might be, like, one Amanda Dobbins fan who still listens occasionally. And the fact that you're going to be on is. Will make. Affect it. Yeah. The piano one is fabulous Baker Boys.

[Yassi Salik]

Yeah. Okay, great.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, yeah, that's Correct.

[Yassi Salik]

We nailed that.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. She looks adorable. I don't know who. Who made this dress. I doubt it was. It might have been Chanel also, but highly doubt it. The black and white, though, was fabulous. It was one of. I thought Chanel last night. They dressed her and Kedrick Lamar, and I thought that their red carpet is, like, really kind of coming together and solidifying, and I thought they both looked super great. He has miles of personal style, and so I enjoyed that. What else did you like?

[Yassi Salik]

I loved Bad Bunny. The first ever men's Schiaparelli. I thought it was so cool. The back. Oh, lace up.

[Lauren Sherman]

You know, it's funny. My colleague Matt Bellany and your colleague Matt Bellany reached out to me.

[Yassi Salik]

Our mutual colleague.

[Lauren Sherman]

Our mutual colleague reached out to me about this and was like, what's up with the front? I said, oh, it's supposed to be like that. It's like, curved like an hourglass. And he said, it looks like it doesn't fit them. But what. What would I know?

[Yassi Salik]

No, see, I totally disagree, because I feel like Bad Bunny. Bad Bunny. He's one of the only men that can pull something like this off, you know? Like, other men could try this, and you'd be like, sir, you look ridiculous. Like, take it to the flamenco hall or whatever. But, like, here, like, he just has exactly the charisma, the confidence. Like, everything looks good on him.

[Lauren Sherman]

I also agree. I thought he looked great, and I like this idea of women's fashion houses making men's clothes and not having a full men's line. Totally. Like, I. I'm sure that eventually Chanel will do a full men's collection, but it might be, like, 10. They keep saying they're not. Whatever. Like, that's what they say. So let's respect. But I like that they're. I love the men's stuff that they've been doing. Like, I love ASAP Rocky. I think he looks so good in.

[Yassi Salik]

Once again, another person that would look good in a trash bag.

[Lauren Sherman]

True. He is. He's just so cute.

[Yassi Salik]

Adonis. Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

Most adorable. But I think that I like that Schiaparelli tried and that it was with him and it. I thought it was a beautiful, beautiful look. The other person that I'm very interested in, that I know nothing about her music, but I like the way she dresses is Laufey.

[Yassi Salik]

Oh, Laufey's dress.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. You didn't like it?

[Yassi Salik]

It was like, the lavender. Ish.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. Number she wore Mew mew twice.

[Yassi Salik]

Okay. It was Mew Mew.

[Lauren Sherman]

And then previous to this, the last, I guess, Golden Globe, she wore Balenciaga. And I think the interesting thing is she's styled by Leith Clark.

[Yassi Salik]

Okay.

[Lauren Sherman]

I like. I don't attend. I like her as a. As an editorial stylist. She's very romantic. I don't tend to like she styles. She styled Keira Knightley for years. I don't know. She still does. I don't tend to like her editorial. I mean, her red carpet styling, it's very British and violet cakes. London. Like, it's like, very sugary. And for some reason with this, this person, is it Laufey or Laufey? Laufey.

[Yassi Salik]

I think you'd be surprised if you heard her music. It's like. It's like bossa nova. Oh, interesting. And then the teen and like, little teen girls love her. It's so surprising.

[Lauren Sherman]

That's funny. I've really enjoyed it. And if they're not working together, someone can fact check me. But that's what it. When I researched, that's what came up. But I think it's interest. I don't know. I like the color she uses. I like the, like, the feeling of. Of the stuff that she's wearing. And I thought. I thought she looked nice, if not, if, like, kind of expected.

[Yassi Salik]

Yeah. I mean, speaking of not expected, that's a little segue I learned from Lauren Sherman. Addison, right? That's my girl. I'm sorry, are we allowed to curse on here? I absolutely don't know for.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes.

[Yassi Salik]

I'm like.

[Lauren Sherman]

I agree. She is. She's so hot.

[Yassi Salik]

She's so hot like that. It was custom Aliah. Right? Like, it was a collaboration of her and Dara and Alaia. Ugh. I'm living. It's like bizarro world. Marilyn Monroe. Like, the, like, you know, Addison was probably like, I want my belly button ring to show with that, like, cut out, the way that goes. Went up in the back. And it's just so perfect for the way she loves to pose. And the makeup was perfect because it was, like, really subdued with the, like, kind of cartoonish dress. I love it.

[Lauren Sherman]

And the body glitter. Oh, she's. She's perfect. She's perfect. She looked amazing.

[Yassi Salik]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

I thought that Hailey Bieber, also wearing custom Alaia, looked really hot. And I loved the, like, sheer panel all the way up to the hip. Yeah, I thought it was very sexy. And she looked good. And both of those looks were super, super strong. I want to go back to Alaia because these, these will be some of the final Peter Mulier looks before he leaves. He leaves Aliyah. But was there anyone who was sort of crazy that you thought looked great?

[Yassi Salik]

I thought Lainey Wilson. I loved her. Like. Like, give it, girl. Like, Landman fashion. Like, she was like, I'm a country singer. I'm Southern.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, yes.

[Yassi Salik]

She had the. She had the cowboy hat with the, like, really major shoulder. It's a. It was a top with pants. I have no idea who designed it. I tried to look, and I couldn't find it, but I thought. And she had this really chunky turquoise necklace with it. I thought she looked so fabulous.

[Lauren Sherman]

She looks great. Let's look up. Oh, here we go. Countrycore at the Grammys. Thank you, wwd. Do they know what she. It might be custom.

[Yassi Salik]

Yeah. It definitely was something unusual that I was excited to see. And at first, you know, when you first see a look, and I was like, I don't know about the hat. And then I was like, no, I do know about the hat. And I say, yes, totally.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. They. WWD does not credit anyone. I'm sure there probably is a designer.

[Yassi Salik]

No, I'm sure.

[Lauren Sherman]

But they don't.

[Yassi Salik]

I did try to troll the Internet to find it, but she also has.

[Lauren Sherman]

A cowboy boot brand boot label called golden west. If you're interested and have to look.

[Yassi Salik]

Into that after this recording. Get myself. I love Tiana Taylor in the custom.

[Lauren Sherman]

She looked great.

[Yassi Salik]

She never looks bad. But that was, like, once again, only you could pull that off. Tiana Taylor. And I respect it. The necklace. I loved that necklace with the hanging. It was kind of punk chain.

[Lauren Sherman]

She has incredible style and also styles herself most of the time. Like, she sometimes gets help from a stylist to call stuff in, but she essentially, she was. She was trying to work. I was told she was trying to work with people for this award season, and then in the end was like, you know what? I've been doing it myself for 20 years. I'm gonna keep doing it. And I like. Exactly. And it's. It's like. And she does a good job. I was gonna say.

[Yassi Salik]

Yeah. Sometimes it can be like, I'll represent myself in court. And you're like, please, I don't think you should.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. Or. Or Blake Lively styling herself forever.

[Yassi Salik]

Look, I'm.

[Lauren Sherman]

I appreciate it because it's. It's creates a lot of content for me. That. That Blake Lively style.

[Yassi Salik]

I would rather see. This is a. Again, hot tank. I would rather see a Blake Lively show up with whatever the, like, sweeping prairie skirt and the whatever she's gonna Pull up, then see 10 of the same version of like a pretty Valentino dress that I will forget in one second. Although I did think Sabrina looked good. That was no shade at.

[Lauren Sherman]

Sabrina looked.

[Yassi Salik]

That was really beautiful, actually.

[Lauren Sherman]

I also loved Rose from Blackpink, who wore Giambattista Valli, which everybody thinks is going out of business, but it was a custom look. So clearly they're doing some. Some work in the atelier in Paris. But I love that. I love. Looked awesome.

[Yassi Salik]

I like a avant garde moment like that.

[Lauren Sherman]

You know, the other one I liked was. Is doi. Is that how you say it in Roberto Cavali Archival Roberto.

[Yassi Salik]

Oh, no, Custom. Custom Roberto Kavali. She said that was like made to look like.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, cool.

[Yassi Salik]

An era of.

[Lauren Sherman]

I think she always just looks great and has amazing personal. You can really just tell, especially the Grammys, like, who has a per. Who has personal style and who is just like wearing some random thing. And. And I think she like that. You could. If you were Joan Rivers, you could argue that the top didn't fit right. But like, whatever. I like the colors and thought it was an interesting.

[Yassi Salik]

I liked that it was like kind of drama with like the big skirt.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes.

[Yassi Salik]

I thought it was cool.

[Lauren Sherman]

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[Yassi Salik]

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[Lauren Sherman]

So on this subject of a lie, who I really think, which I really think won the Grammys in terms of I think she looked.

[Yassi Salik]

Wait, we can't. We're not even gonna talk about Bieber?

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, I mean, we can. What do you stage perform that Was.

[Yassi Salik]

My number one look of the whole night.

[Lauren Sherman]

What. What did he wear? We need to. We should also discuss Harry Styles in the. In the Dior cropped bar was wearing.

[Yassi Salik]

His just boxers and socks. The boxers were his own brand as a called Skylark.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. Which is doing extremely well as it should. Stay tuned for more reporting on that in line sheet. And the person who needs to give me that information is listening and needs to remember to send it to me.

[Yassi Salik]

To bang Lauren's line. I just. I was blown away by this. I was like. It was just like a guitar and NPC pedals, BO socks, a mirror and a rug. This man just. He blew me away. And also, I'm gonna say something. I don't usually think men should have nose rings.

[Lauren Sherman]

You're into it.

[Yassi Salik]

Bieber can pull it off. It's giving, like, Alison Chains 1992 vibes. I loved everything about it. That was my favorite. Look at the Grammys. Bieber and the boxers and the socks.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, man. Was it a good. Did you watch the whole thing?

[Yassi Salik]

I did, yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

Was it, like, objectively a fun evening and entertaining?

[Yassi Salik]

Much better than I thought it was going to be because, like, you know, the Grammys, low key. Not really. Usually.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Yassi Salik]

Have their finger on the pulse of what's happening. The. The In Memoriam segments that they made really big with these, like, three big performances. Like, Reba anchored one of them. Lauryn Hill anchored the other one, and the other one was like, rock with. They were doing the Ozzy tribute. Yeah, they were great. I wish they had done a Beach Boys one. I thought it was kind of. They should have done a fourth one with Brian Wilson and had all the pop girls like, oh, yeah, songs. That would have been good, but I.

[Lauren Sherman]

Thought it would have been nice.

[Yassi Salik]

Low key. A good. A good Grammys.

[Lauren Sherman]

I didn't love Lauren Hill's dress and obviously love her, but I was disappointed.

[Yassi Salik]

I came around to it at first. I was like, what are you wearing, honey? And then I was like, you know what? It's giving, like, opera singer drama. And then I was. I was back. And then the glasses. I was like, okay, Lauren.

[Lauren Sherman]

Okay, good argument. Good argument. So what did you think of Harry Styles in. In the Dior, in the.

[Yassi Salik]

Okay, jacket. He unfortunately. Really? I thought he looked great, but I thought it was unfortunate for, like, maybe a somber who. It's like, this is what it should look like if you don't wear a shirt under your jacket.

[Lauren Sherman]

Understood.

[Yassi Salik]

Do you know what I mean? It was. It was so perfect with the jeans. He looked like his Hair was like rumpled. He was like, I'm sorry, they made me come here. I just got here. I'm leaving in five minutes. Here's whatever the award is. Goodbye.

[Lauren Sherman]

I would say that he may be the best dressed person in Dior red carpet so far since Jonathan Anderson got.

[Yassi Salik]

To Dior Men and women.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes. Oh, it is. And I think, I think this once Oscars comes, we're gonna get a really good gown. But he just wore this. It's funny because I was talking to a friend when I was in Paris for couture, a man who was like, I would buy a bar jacket, but I'm not buying a cropped one. And it's funny because now you do.

[Yassi Salik]

Kind of have to be. You do kind of have to again, it's like, I don't think every man should wear a bad bunny scapular. I don't think most men should wear bell bottoms. I think almost all men, if you're listening, don't wear bell bottoms. You can't pull it off. Don't do it.

[Lauren Sherman]

No.

[Yassi Salik]

But some of those men also.

[Lauren Sherman]

My last.

[Yassi Salik]

Sorry, I just, I'm. I loved Charlie's Chrome hearts. And I was very proud of myself because I was able to call it. I was like, that's giving chrome hearts.

[Lauren Sherman]

And I really like that Chrome hearts is doing red carpet.

[Yassi Salik]

Charlie didn't walk the carpet, but she. It was for her. She presented. I don't remember which award. I'm sorry, you guys. But it was this like really cool leather number. And I thought it was really cool because it was like a little subdued. And I feel like when you're not nominated.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Yassi Salik]

Like Hailey Bieber is a good example. Like, you shouldn't go like full balls out because, like, it's not your moment, you know? And I felt Charlie like nailed it with that. It was like a really cool Charlie esque, like, you know, edgy leather, awesome look. But it wasn't like, look at me, look at me.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, she looks awesome.

[Yassi Salik]

Yeah, beautiful.

[Lauren Sherman]

Really good. It. It's like a double breasted leather crop top and leather pant and leather long skirt with. With a sash belt, essentially. Yeah, it's very.

[Yassi Salik]

We're not going to talk about the other sash belt I saw. That really bothered me. Well, why not to be negative.

[Lauren Sherman]

What was it? What's the first letter and last letter.

[Yassi Salik]

Of the name M start with an M. It's a designer you love. So I just like didn't want to come on here and tell me beef with you.

[Lauren Sherman]

I don't. It's Fine. This is the point. Let's argue. People love it when. When we are.

[Yassi Salik]

I didn't. I didn't like the Michael Ryder, Celine.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, I didn't like it either.

[Yassi Salik]

Yeah, the.

[Lauren Sherman]

With Miley. Yeah. No, this is what I will say about it. And yeah, I mean, pro Michael Ryder, the best.

[Yassi Salik]

But I was like, it's giving. Like, why you put a bird on it, babe, it's full Etsy. Put a bird on it here.

[Lauren Sherman]

I agree. So it was Miley Cyrus in Celine. Not a good person for Celine. And this is a. This is an issue about Celine. They have not figured out their celebrity strategy, which a lot of brands haven't, that are not the, like, Louis Vuitton, Dior, whatever. Because the thing was, Dior used to just be like Jennifer Aniston and Natalie Portman, but now Jonathan Anderson is there, and Jonathan Anderson is like, I want Josh o'. Connor. So all the, like, cool indie kind of mainstream people. Greta Lee's at Dior now. Greta Lee would be wearing tons of Celine and Loewe. She's wearing it a bit, but, like, she's mostly wearing Dior. Mia Goth is mostly wearing Dior. These are people who. And Celine has not yet figured out their celeb strategy.

[Yassi Salik]

Who would you like, if it was up to you, who would you cast for them as to be their, like, ambassadors?

[Lauren Sherman]

I've been thinking about this a lot. I think that they should, like, get young, cool French girls like Adele X, whatever her name is.

[Yassi Salik]

The one. Is that the one that is dating Jarvis Cocker's son?

[Lauren Sherman]

I. I wouldn't.

[Yassi Salik]

Does she have, like, a little, like, a mullety haircut? Like a haircut?

[Lauren Sherman]

Her last name is, like, something I'll. I mean, I can't pronounce anything, but I definitely would not be able to pronounce it. Amanda Dobbins is a very big fan.

[Yassi Salik]

Her last Adele XR Chopolos. Sorry, I butchered that, like, yes, like, ten ways to Sunday.

[Lauren Sherman]

I would. I would like.

[Yassi Salik]

Oh, she's so cute.

[Lauren Sherman]

Someone. I think that they should be looking at, like, people with. Because the new Celine is all about style. Yeah, they should be looking at people with, like, very, very natural personal style. And that is going to be a lot more Europeans than. And also, like, it's hard because it's just like, all the, like, obvious people are at Dior.

[Yassi Salik]

You know who would be amazing is Alex Turner's, like, fiance or girlfriend, who is a music French musician, singer, songwriter. She goes under the name Verlo. Her name is Pauline. She is exactly what you're describing. I feel she would look perfect in it.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. And, and, but it's going to be. And Miley Cyrus. It's not obvious. It's just not an obvious. The other person, like Sophia Coppola, where is. Where is like hardcore Chanel and hardcore Phoebe Filo. But like, she would fuck with some of that stuff. Like those kinds of people, older cool indie celebrities and then young people with natural style. But it's gonna be hard for them to pinpoint. But Miley just doesn't make sense with that brand. And also that look, it just, it was too much of a look for her.

[Yassi Salik]

Like, it felt like a costume. I was like, takes. Take half of this and then put something else with it or something. It was just too much was going on.

[Lauren Sherman]

I agree. And. And you know who has looked amazing in Celine is Rose Byrne.

[Yassi Salik]

Oh, okay.

[Lauren Sherman]

Which is. It's like random. She's not someone who I think of as having like incredible personal style. She works with Kate Young and for some reason they've. She's worn a lot of Celine. She wore Chanel to, I believe, the Golden Globes, but she wore a Celine polka dot dress to the Academy Museum gala. That was just so good. And so she's looked good in it, but they need to. They need to figure it out. Someone said to me, you, you shouldn't. Who listens to this podcast also, so whatever. But I'm not outing them. But they said, you know, like, Alanis Morissette, maybe not the exact right person to be like your star at your fashion show for. For this brand. Like, it's. It needs to be someone who is like fashiony and into. Into fashion and, and has personal style that is not. That is like, has a European flair. I don't know.

[Yassi Salik]

Yeah, but it's. He needs a rocker. I mean, let's.

[Lauren Sherman]

That's.

[Yassi Salik]

Those are like from the first collection that I saw with all the bracelets that for me was absolutely giving. Like when you go to a music festival and you have all the wristbands, like, yes. It's very. It's very rocker to me. And I'm like, let's put some cool rockers in it, you know?

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Alma Representative]

Rock.

[Lauren Sherman]

Rock chicks.

[Yassi Salik]

I sound like a 100 year old person right now.

[Lauren Sherman]

No, I bet like Cam Gordon would look great in it.

[Yassi Salik]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

You know what was surfacing recently? The. Remember the fake news that she got bit by a coyote in the Whole Foods parking lot?

[Yassi Salik]

I know.

[Lauren Sherman]

Got sent to me the other day and I was like, what happened? And I looked it up. I'm like, oh, this is fake news from 2016.

[Yassi Salik]

It's so good. It did surface. I saw Shad Dua posted it and I made a little joke with him on dm.

[Lauren Sherman]

So really quickly, I wanted to run through a couple other news items as we were mentioning. Alaia was very, very strong showing at. At this Grammys. And Peter Mulier, who has been the creative director for the last five years, announced on Friday that he's leaving the brand. He's going to Versace. I reported this in December. They're. They're only all now like, confirming this stuff publicly because it takes time. Contracts need to be signed. You know, they need to figure shit out. But I was curious, like, have you. Do you engage with this brand as a consumer at all? And that's the first. Let's. Let's ask one question at a time.

[Yassi Salik]

Yes, I absolutely wore my little lap hairs. The thing I love pony hair. Bitch. If there's pony. If it has pony hair. That's my real, real search term. Don't copy me is pony hair. I have my little ballet that, you know, the iconic ballet flat they made with the crisscross. Love it. I love a lie in general. I mean, the belts and the. Everything's a little expensive for me because I'm on a podcaster salary, but when I can get it in the secondhand market, I love it. I wanted to ask you though, because I am a loyal listener to fashion people, as you know, but I don't have a lot of fluency with the industry. It felt like that was very successful. I felt like I saw those shoes popped the fuck off. The little purses were everywhere. So was it. Is it he decided to leave?

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes.

[Yassi Salik]

Okay, I see.

[Lauren Sherman]

So it was incredibly successful and Aliyah was a very tiny business when he started, I think it was probably like this part, don't quote me on, but it was probably like 40 to 60 to 80 million. I know that sounds like a lot of a difference, but it really isn't in. In fashion terms. It was on very like probably under 60 million, maybe under 40 when he started. It was a small business that owned by this group, this Swiss group called Richemont that doesn't. Is more. They own Cartier and Van Cleef and Arpel and they're more focused on that. So their fashion brands, they also own. Chloe have always been, you know, they're very well regarded in the market, but have never been giant. Chloe is the biggest one out of the fashion brands they own and is.

[Yassi Salik]

That because they didn't have a strong accessory game, because that's where they make their money, or shoes and accessories.

[Lauren Sherman]

Partially why. And it's also because it's just not the expertise of the business. The guy who runs Richemont is a South African guy named Johan Rupert. And his expertise is in hard luxury. So some hard luxury is doing really well across the board. And if you own one of those businesses, Kering, which owns Gucci, they own Boucheron, it's doing very well. LVMH owns Tiffany and Bulgari. They're performing very well.

[Yassi Salik]

Hard luxury means jewelry.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes. Hard luxury is jewelry and watches hard luxury.

[Yassi Salik]

The Yassi Salig story.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes. Watches are, like, a little bit trickier right now, but diamonds are killing it. So anyway, the point being that Alaia was this, like, pristine brand, that when Ezzedine Alaia was alive, no one bothered him. They let him do what he wanted. They tried to develop an accessories business, but it was never big. And that wasn't the point. The point was like, sort of to maintain the. Preserve the brand. When Peter was hired in, I believe it's been five years, so 20, 21 maybe, or a couple years after Azzedine Alaia died, there was a lot of stress around the fact that, like, is he going to ruin this brand? But the reality was not only did he not ruin it, he enhanced it and modernized it and also made it commercial because he is a genius. Like, he. He was Raf Simmons, number two at Calvin Klein, at Jill Sander, at Dior. And he played a pivotal role and a. At Raf's namesake. And he played a pivotal role in those businesses. And he knew how to kind of take the idea of a Liah and make it into something that a less. A younger consumer, honestly younger or less or more interested in being in the conversation of fashion, not just this unique thing. So it. It, like, I'm sure there were some clients who were turned off by it, but you could go and get like, the two dresses that I bought during the Peter period. One is a very traditional Alaia dress, and it could have been in a 1992 collection and it would have.

[Yassi Salik]

That's what I felt about everything I saw because I had this amazing vintage Alaia, like. Like a ballet wrap top in that sort of, you know, that fabric that they always use that was kind of like velour almost.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Yassi Salik]

And then I felt like everything I saw that would come out was reminiscent of that or like the hooded bodysuit I wanted so bad. And then I was like, oh, that could have absolutely been from the 90s.

[Lauren Sherman]

Totally connected. And the. The brilliant thing he did with his CEO, Miriam Serrano, was they developed this ballet slipper shoe that became. It's copied the world over. You go to target, there are 15 of them now. And then also a really beautiful. It's called the Techle Bag, like a long, elongated bag that everyone has copied. So the business is now like $150 million a year in sales, which is still really tiny. You think Dior is, you know, 10 billion. It's tiny. But like, the amount of mindshare he was able to. To pull in and fashion enthusiasts, the whole thing. If you can grab the fashion enthusiast, you have something. And so it was. It was working really well, I personally think. So why would he leave? A lot of reasons. Versace is an amazing brand. It's sort of been dragged in America, but like, in Europe, it's still very well.

[Yassi Salik]

I live for Versace versus again, don't steal my search terms, babe. But like, old versus fire.

[Lauren Sherman]

Exactly. And. And so to have the opportunity a, to work for the Prada group, work again with Raf Simmons, his longtime colleague, and, and have the sort of brand, the expansive universe of Versace that has never commercially worked because of. They've had millions of different owners and the way the business. The business is very fragmented. It's like it's going to be cleaned up and managed better. And I'm sure that. And I also personally think he had sort of his time there. I'm sure he would have kept doing incredible collections, but I felt like the story he was supposed to tell there had sort of been told. And they did put a lot of resources into the business compared to what Richemont normally does. But I think the reality of it is Versace 100%. It's the second most well known brand, fashion brand after Chanel in the world.

[Yassi Salik]

And I feel like with Aaliyah, it's like you have, like, it's a amazing identity, but it's a narrow one. Right. Like, it's like you. He can't play much further. But like, I can imagine going especially to a Versace that hasn't really had an identity in so long. Like, what a Disneyland for someone that's really creative and can, like, bring this, like, whole new thing to life with an incredibly rich palette of history. Like, how fun.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes. And of course, we are sad about Dario Vitale being fired, but he'll get another job and he's awesome. And that would have been a cool, cool. He's amazing. And and the. It would have been a great Versace, but the Peter Mulier, if that's how you pronounce it. People. Some people think German is.

[Yassi Salik]

German is rough for me. Is he German?

[Lauren Sherman]

That's Belgian.

[Yassi Salik]

Belgian.

[Lauren Sherman]

Some people think it's cute that I can't pronounce everything. I'm sure there are people that find it annoying. It's fine. Smash those stars.

[Yassi Salik]

Being a woman podcaster, I'm sure the story is. I'm sure there are people that find it annoying.

[Lauren Sherman]

Of course. Yeah. But, you know, I think I'm excited to see it. And I'm glad that they didn't wait to announce until after his final Aliah show because it's just too much. There's a lot of. There's. Because of all these designer changes. There's a lot of stress around announcing whether someone's leaving or going or what have you. And the reality is you just gotta be upfront and honest about it so people can move on. And I think that the Prada group in particular, they manage the Dario thing exceptionally well. It was. I mean, it was like ripping a band aid off that you rip some skin with the band aid.

[Yassi Salik]

But it.

[Lauren Sherman]

It was. It was managed well and it's over and now everybody can move on. So I'm excited.

[Yassi Salik]

Would look good in Versace. Miley Cyrus. Just.

[Lauren Sherman]

She would.

[Yassi Salik]

That would be a great.

[Lauren Sherman]

She will look. And she's worn Alaia and looked amazing.

[Yassi Salik]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

Celine. Not for her. We're going to find. I might do a, like, fantasy celebrity lineup for. For Seline.

[Yassi Salik]

You should totally. You should do a draft.

[Lauren Sherman]

You should not really understand. I don't understand the.

[Yassi Salik]

I worked there for a long time and it took me like three years to understand and I'm still a little shaky on it.

[Lauren Sherman]

But sometimes I do listen to them on the big picture and I'm like, but what do you win? And also, like, you win glory.

[Yassi Salik]

You win glory.

[Lauren Sherman]

Who wins, like the per. Do you vote? It's just. I don't. I don't really get it. I do enjoy them.

[Yassi Salik]

I think with the big pick, the social media people vote. I'm not.

[Lauren Sherman]

We.

[Yassi Salik]

We just did a draft in Boston. As part of the reason I was there, we did a live band splain emo draft.

[Lauren Sherman]

Wow.

[Alma Representative]

I can't wait.

[Yassi Salik]

Losing the listenership right now. They're like, I did win, but that was. It's hard because I'm always going to win a live draft because it's my show and the people came to see me.

[Lauren Sherman]

So, yeah, I can't I cannot wait to see who's on that list and who. I'm familiar with all of them. You remind me of that song. Screaming Infidelities.

[Yassi Salik]

Dashboard Confessional. Babe, your hair is Boston Also does.

[Lauren Sherman]

Because it definitely came out when I was, like, a sophomore in college. And, you know, I have a lot of hair, and it's everywhere.

[Yassi Salik]

It's everywhere, babe. That's always about you.

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[Lauren Sherman]

Okay, so on the subject of bodycon, I did want to talk to you about Sydney Sweeney's lingerie launch and line.

[Yassi Salik]

Which is get out of here unscathed.

[Lauren Sherman]

Okay, speaking of pronunciation, it's called cern, which, like, S, Y, R, N, sexy.

[Yassi Salik]

What it's giving to me is sexy. Oh, she. Oh, no, I think it's called Siren.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh.

[Yassi Salik]

I just looked at it, and I was like, oh, I see what you're trying to do. It's. She's trying to be like. Like a fun spelling of Siren. I didn't understand that because I was like, okay, CERN is the least sexy or libidinal word I could ever hear in my life. I didn't.

[Lauren Sherman]

I did. I honestly am an idiot and did not know.

[Yassi Salik]

You're not. It's. They made it confusing. You don't have to misspell things.

[Lauren Sherman]

I did not understand that until this moment. I don't understand how it didn't come to me. Emily Sundberg tweeted something really funny that was, like, about this brand. Looking like a Salad brand from 2019 or something.

[Yassi Salik]

The logo of it.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, yeah, it was extremely funny. But I wrote about this and had all the details right last July. Like, I knew who the investors were. I. I knew she was launching. I did not know the name.

[Yassi Salik]

I mean, yeah, the. The logo is just Millennial. It looks like a. Like, it could be a makeup you buy at Sephora.

[Lauren Sherman]

It could be.

[Yassi Salik]

You know, it's like, it could be any. It could be a gummies that you take for your hair growth. Like, whatever.

[Lauren Sherman]

And the thing I will say is my feedback about this, and I don't know if I'm ever going to write about it. I'm sure at some point I might have to. I wrote a book about Victoria's Secret, which I've been thinking about a lot, because the Epstein files came up, and there's a Les Wexner. There's a bunch of stuff about Les Wexner. And there was this one very revealing email that Jeffrey Epstein wrote to himself that was like stream of consciousness notes about Les Wexner. And it was addressing a bunch of stuff that we talk about in the book, like Les Wexner's girlfriend that he allegedly paid off and before he got married and. And also his sister and his mother and all these things that, like, I. I spent many years writing and researching, and it was revealing in a certain way. And I'm curious. They. They're probably going to call Congress is going to probably call Les Wexner, who owned Victoria's Secret for a long time, to the stand during this. He's 88 years old. It's just. It's interesting. I've never understood the relation, the relationship between him and Jeffrey Epstein. It's been very hard to. It's impenetrable. And so this was. It's. It's just all, like, coming up for me, so. But the point being that, like, I looked at a lot of bras during that bra, so you're gonna be like.

[Yassi Salik]

I looked at a lot of the Epstein emails and I was like, me too. I spent two days looking at them. I feel sick now. RIP Peter Attia. Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. I mean, I also looked at. I spent too much time looking at them and feel like I haven't done enough work. I was like, damn, I really need to. I, like, went through my list of people, and honestly, a lot of fashion industry people were not. He was much more interested in the tech world, and it wasn't. It wasn't my crowd. So.

[Yassi Salik]

Because they can't. The fashion people can't help him, like, extort African governments.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Yassi Salik]

Do you know what I mean? Or to, like, hide art in, like, free freeholds in, like, Dubai or.

[Lauren Sherman]

There is definitely a lot of modeling agency stuff.

[Emma Greed]

I.

[Lauren Sherman]

At some point, I might look into it. I'm sure people are gonna message me today and be like, why didn't you talk about the next model founder? Blah, blah, blah. It's just personally, like, I know that that's a big part of it. I've never been interested in models so.

[Yassi Salik]

It'S not just not.

[Lauren Sherman]

I just am not interested in them. Like, I, I think they're pretty. I like, there are a few models I like. I get that. I get excited when they're on the Runway. Most of them, I don't even know their names. I know Guinevere's name.

[Yassi Salik]

Not even, not even Guinevere Vincino is my fucking queen. She's my queen.

[Lauren Sherman]

Like, there are people like that. But mostly I just, I'm not good with names. I'm not, it's not my thing. But anyway, the point being that, like, I, I, I got really into like, what makes a good bra. Why do bras not fit, what bras are good, what bras are bad, what bras are quality, how do you market a bra? All of this stuff. And the thing I will say about this, I hate the marketing. I hate the, like, branding. I think that the stuff looks really nice.

[Yassi Salik]

Wow.

[Lauren Sherman]

This is my opinion is that like a lot of this stuff looks like. And I think this stuff looks very nice and probably decent quality. And that is, I'm just looking on the website. I'd have to like buy a bunch of it and examine it to see if it for real is good quality. But, like, I am, I have to say I'm impressed by it. And I hope that all the dumb stuff around it does not. This brand will never be a long term thing. None of these celebrity brands are. And anyone who thinks they are is dumb.

[Yassi Salik]

Like, I don't think Sydney Sweeney thinks it is.

[Lauren Sherman]

You make money on it in the short term and then you say goodbye and you license it or something. Also you name it this. And do you think anyone else thought it was cern?

[Yassi Salik]

Yes, a lot of, I think many people, including the, the target demo of this brand was like, I don't know.

[Lauren Sherman]

Cern, like a great example is they made a garter belt and instead of doing the sort of strap hold, bra strap holder thing in a circle, she made it like a little heart. That's a nice detail. Like, I think this stuff is very pretty.

[Yassi Salik]

I don't wear bras, so that's a, I understand falls in the none of my business category. But is it like Savage Fenty? Like, is, are you, is that where you're.

[Lauren Sherman]

That's very poor quality.

[Yassi Salik]

Okay. I also don't, I don't.

[Lauren Sherman]

Very, very poor quality. Like, I worship Rihanna and this is amazing. And I think the, I don't think that's her fault. No, it's definitely not. It's the people who run that company and and she is unfortunately connected to them. She. The. The concept of Savage by Fenty is incredible and could have the.

[Yassi Salik]

The.

[Lauren Sherman]

The thing I'm always looking at is like what brands are filching market share from Victoria's Secret.

[Yassi Salik]

Right.

[Lauren Sherman]

Or broadening the market.

[Yassi Salik]

Is that is Victoria's Secret still? Since you're you. You're the expert. Are they still sort of the leader like mid range bra sales?

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes. Dominant. Dominant player had.

[Yassi Salik]

Who else even. There's not even anyone else.

[Lauren Sherman]

Skims, which it's not. You know, Skims is really a loungewear brand. Brand.

[Yassi Salik]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

So they don't cotton triangle bra or whatever. Yeah. Like they, they have filched some market share. The other thing is like airy. When. When triangle bras became a big thing, Victoria's Secret ignored it and this was like their, their public downfall. But in the last couple of years they hired. I don't you probably know Adam Sellman, but they hired Adam Sellman.

[Yassi Salik]

Not personally, but I'm was a big fan of his work. He was. Was he around a stylist for a.

[Lauren Sherman]

While or he was Rihanna stylist for a while. He had an amazing brand himself and now sort of creative director of marketing. But he's in charge of all brand image of pink and Victoria's Secret. And now they're doing really well. Like the market responds. You know, they're a public company so that's a little tricky. But it's performing well. But they still have so much market share of. And. And there are the, the way people shop now. You don't have to go to Victoria's Secret. You can buy all this stuff online.

[Yassi Salik]

Totally.

[Lauren Sherman]

There is an opportunity here. And so when I saw it I was like, oh, this is actually cute.

[Yassi Salik]

And, and doesn't look like she's leaning into. She's like I have big naturals.

[Lauren Sherman]

Totally.

[Yassi Salik]

Let's make a brand around it. What's a better brand than. Than lingerie? All of the like wording is very like wink, wink.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes. Sexual. Yeah. The. The bra is 90 bucks. That sounds like a lot of money. But like most bras, fancy bras are 150.

[Yassi Salik]

If I wear a bra, it's a jaunt not to be a little bitch.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Yassi Salik]

And yeah, they're super expensive. Yeah, they're very beautiful. They're like works of art, you know.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Yassi Salik]

Or Brandy, which is like 18.

[Lauren Sherman]

So exactly like that is. And so 90 bucks for a very nice bra is not bad.

[Yassi Salik]

Are you gonna order one under the name of journalism and try it out?

[Lauren Sherman]

Like I don't know.

[Yassi Salik]

Should that be next week's episode where it's like, Lauren reports back from a week of wearing Siren bra?

[Lauren Sherman]

I don't personally. During my press tour for Victor Secret, I had to talk a lot about what bras and underwear I like. And I don't personally think that that's part of my personal brand as a journalist. So I probably will not be reviewing the bras.

[Yassi Salik]

I'm glad because I'm going to tell you, they've released a study that I saw the other day that said that wearing a bra all the time has a correlation with breast cancer.

[Lauren Sherman]

Well, let me just tell you, putting.

[Yassi Salik]

Plastic on your boobs, that should be.

[Lauren Sherman]

Let me just tell you something. I'll tell you off the record why I'm not worried about that. I don't think that the Fashion People listenership wants to hear about why. I'm not particularly worried about that. But no, I don't think I will be reviewing them. But we can talk about it at Mom's Night Out.

[Yassi Salik]

Perfect. Can't wait.

[Lauren Sherman]

I can't wait either. Yossi is an honorary member of Mom's Night Out.

[Yassi Salik]

Childless mother representation.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. But all you have to do is have a credit card that you. That you stuff on the Real. Real.

[Yassi Salik]

Done and done.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yassi, this was so fun. I'm so glad you joined. And don't undersell yourself as a fashion person. You. I know about your contributorship to Garage magazine.

[Yassi Salik]

Thank you. Yeah, you guys, Real heads will know that me and Sarah Natof invented podcasting with our Fashion Week live streams for Garage magazine.

[Lauren Sherman]

You gotta come back. This Garage. Garage folded at some point, right?

[Yassi Salik]

Yeah. Well, we should bring it back. I also. I forgot to say at the top, but I want to say at the bottom, what was the hottest accessory on the Grammy red carpet? The Ice out pins.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes.

[Yassi Salik]

Let's go.

[Lauren Sherman]

And. And I thought, like, seeing someone like Hailey Bieber wearing it is powerful. Great.

[Yassi Salik]

And people spoke about it even.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Yassi Salik]

My man Jelly Roll, like, said in his Jesus speech that Jesus does not pick political parties or something.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Yassi Salik]

I found it a very, like, emotionally moving Grammys. And people really like kind of standing up for what they believe in, which is what music should be about.

[Lauren Sherman]

That's. That's powerful. Almost as powerful as you, Yasi.

[Yassi Salik]

Almost as powerful as my Real, Real Likes list, which grows each day.

[Lauren Sherman]

I can't wait to compare and contrast in a couple weeks.

[Yassi Salik]

Thank you for having me, Lauren.

[Lauren Sherman]

This was so fun.

[Yassi Salik]

It was so fun.

[Lauren Sherman]

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