Life After LVMH & Chanel Males

Summary

Fashion People — "Life After LVMH & Chanel Males"

Host: Lauren Sherman
Guest: Carolyn Faux (Stylist)
Date: March 24, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Lauren Sherman is joined by returning guest Carolyn Faux to unpack a week heavy with industry news and insider gossip. The discussion touches on creative director shakeups, designer/commercial brand collaborations, the nuances of designer "life after" luxury conglomerates, the global dynamics of luxury consumerism (with special attention on China), the infiltration of men into Chanel’s world, and the evolving roles of fashion magazines. The conversation is candid, full of personality, and offers behind-the-scenes takes on standout stories and trends.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Lauren’s Paris Update and Shopping Malaise

• Lauren describes her recent visit to the Phoebe Philo store at Galeries Lafayette (02:00), observing expansion and the magnetic allure of Philo’s designs.
• Reflects on how a single designer can render competing commercial products "irrelevant."
  • Quote: “It’s just funny how, like, one designer can render everything else irrelevant, or at least all the commercial product irrelevant.” — Lauren Sherman (03:23)

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2. Catching Up: LA Food, Nightlife, and Bar Di Bello

• Carolyn recaps her weekend: Palm Springs escape, the opening of Bar Di Bello, and a party at Los Globos. (04:22–05:59)
• Lauren wonders about the evolution of restaurant and nightlife culture in Silver Lake, LA:
  • Quote: “Do you think this is, like, an indication of Silver Lake growing up? It feels like it’ll be a destination for real.” — Lauren Sherman (06:44)
• They reflect on the “Horses” LA restaurant scandal, discussing the Air Mail exposé and the surprising resilience of investor confidence in turbulent restaurant partnerships. (07:59–09:07)
  • Quote: “It is crazy to me that people are like, I’ll give you two money.” — Lauren Sherman (09:03)

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3. On Michelin Dining & Tasting Menu Fatigue

• Both hosts express fatigue with multi-hour tasting menus, referencing Noma’s global reputation as “not yummy,” and the memorable bread from Noma’s family-style offering. (09:33–11:14)
  • Quote: “Tasting menus are the worst. Stop tasting menus.” — Lauren Sherman (09:43)
  • Quote: “After an hour and a half, I need to get paid to be there. This is crazy.” — Carolyn Faux (09:57)

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4. Fashion Headlines: Galliano x Zara Collaboration (12:11–16:27)

• John Galliano’s two-year partnership with Zara**
  • New collections won’t draw from his iconic Dior archive (owned by LVMH), but will be all new, using Zara’s materials and history.
  • Carolyn expresses excitement about Galliano’s accessibility and doesn’t mind the designer going commercial. (13:05)
  • Lauren contextualizes criticism: consumers want luxury, but can’t always access it; there’s little vintage Galliano in circulation, so a Zara collab is an equitable outcome.
  • Quote: “All anyone talks about is how expensive clothes are ... people who can’t fit into a Galliano size 6 from 1997 or just don’t have that kind of understanding of how to search for that stuff was [should] be able to access something he created. I think it’s great.” — Lauren Sherman (14:07)
  • Quote: “He could also just coast off into the sunset right now and, like, not give us anything at all. So the fact that he’s kind of like, ‘well, this tickles me. I’ll do Zara.’ Let’s just see what this is about.” — Carolyn Faux (15:57)

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5. Designer Exits: Kim Jones & Global Brand Partnerships (16:27–19:11)

• Kim Jones’ post-LVMH project with Bosideng (Bose Dang), a Chinese outerwear giant.
  • Lauren calls Bosideng the “upscale Uniqlo of China” (17:16) and compares its ambition to that of Moncler, Canada Goose, and Patagonia.
  • Kim Jones’ separate luxury collaboration for Aman Essentials (from Aman Resorts).
  • Carolyn observes Jones’ Bosideng collection as “cool” and affordable, comparing its looks to designer Craig Green (18:49)
  • Quote: “Are you kidding me? … It reminds me of him. It has like a Craig Green feel to it.” — Carolyn Faux (18:50)

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6. Luxury’s China Dilemma and Globalization (20:21–25:11)

• Lauren analyzes luxury’s former overreliance on Chinese consumers—now increasingly sophisticated and brand-selective, especially leaning toward Hermès. (21:00)
• In-depth about Bosideng’s global brand ambitions and their investment in Canadian “Moose Knuckles”—with some wordplay hilarity about names. (21:38)
• Carolyn: For Chinese luxury brands to break the West, leveraging Western designers (like Kim Jones) is still necessary until “their pop culture becomes something that we all look towards.”
  • Quote: “It all starts with just, like, pop culture … I think for Chinese brands, like, until their pop culture becomes something that we all look towards as, like, ‘oh, that’s cool,’ … they’re going to have to continue bringing in … these European names.” — Carolyn Faux (22:36)
• Lauren notes Kim Jones’ “value” to LVMH was his appeal to the Chinese market, but the Bose Dang collab marks a reversal: a Chinese brand using a Western designer for Western awareness.

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7. Chanel’s ‘Stealth Menswear’ Strategy (25:11–29:15)

• Chanel has embraced dressing male celebrities (Oscar looks for Pedro Pascal, partnerships with Harry Styles and Timothée Chalamet) but publicly refuses to launch a menswear line.
  • Carolyn wishes Chanel would expand sizing to suit mens styling needs, especially for taller frame editorial shoots.
    • Quote: “I wish they would do menswear simply for the inseam and, like, the arm length.” — Carolyn Faux (26:19)
  • Lauren echoes the logistical headaches of sample management and the broader editorial challenge.
  • Hopeful speculation about automation/AI fixing sample logistics; Amazon analogy for fashion sample distribution. (29:15)

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8. Fashion Magazine Leadership Talk: The Future of T Magazine & GQ (31:05–34:27)

• Hanya Yanagihara’s departure from T Magazine for novelist pursuits; Lauren expects T to stay afloat due to its value to NYT luxury advertisers. (31:05)
• Carolyn suggests Chris Black as an ideal future editor for T (“He reads more than any person we know.” 33:34), laughs at how this would shake up the title.
• Lauren breaks down what makes a good magazine leader, reflecting on Will Welch’s GQ era and the promising new EIC Adam (surname unmentioned), and the importance of vision over brand maintenance.

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9. The Rise of Editorial Press Trips & New Brand Events (35:44–39:13)

• Recap of a recent, creative Highsnobiety press trip in ski resort Samurai with a diverse edit of interesting guests, multiple sponsors, and an organic vibe.
• Lauren: These editorial-led trips feel “less icky” and more compelling than brand-only influencer junkets.
  • Quote: “But for some reason with a magazine, it feels less icky.” — Carolyn Faux (37:48)
  • Noting Will Welch’s talent for sponsorship-driven parties and the likelihood of more creative, media-driven events in fashion’s future.

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10. Latest Fashion Purchases and Indie Underwear Gems (39:20–41:44)

• Carolyn’s latest buys: a “minty” vintage Chanel jacket, a Gucci bag and sunglasses, and a rave for Cuckoo Intimates (noting artisanal lace, British roots, and trending feminine details).
• Lauren notes a surge in pretty lingerie/pointelle knits across brands; Cuckoo’s pointelle underwear and “very special kind of lace” sourced from France.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• Phoebe Philo store trip:
  “It is just funny how, like, one designer can render everything else irrelevant, or at least all the commercial product irrelevant.” — Lauren Sherman (03:23)

• Restaurant investing madness:
  “It is crazy to me that people are like, I'll give you two money.” — Lauren Sherman (09:03)

• On tasting menus:
  “After an hour and a half, I need to get paid to be there. This is crazy.” — Carolyn Faux (09:57)

• Galliano-Zara collab accessibility:
  “People who ... don’t have that kind of understanding of how to search for that stuff [should] be able to access something he created. I think it’s great.” — Lauren Sherman (14:07)

• Chanel on men, fit & size:
  “I wish they would do menswear simply for the inseam and, like, the arm length.” — Carolyn Faux (26:19)

• Global luxury market wisdom:
  “For Chinese brands, ... until their pop culture becomes something that we all look towards ... they’re going to have to continue bringing in ... European names.” — Carolyn Faux (22:36)

• Sample wrangling headaches:
  “The wrangling of the samples, to me, I just don’t—I will never be able to understand.” — Carolyn Faux (27:54)

• On Chris Black for T:
  “He reads more than any person we know.” — Lauren Sherman (33:34)

• Why magazine press trips are less awkward:
  “But for some reason with a magazine, it feels less icky.” — Carolyn Faux (37:48)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:23] — Lauren reflects on the power of Phoebe Philo’s designs
• [06:44] — Lauren asks if fancy Silver Lake restaurants mark a neighborhood shift
• [09:57] — Carolyn on hating marathon tasting menus
• [12:13] — Galliano x Zara collaboration announced/discussed
• [17:16] — The rise of Bosideng (Bose Dang) and Kim Jones’s partnerships
• [21:00] — Lauren analyzes China’s luxury consumer landscape
• [26:19] — Carolyn craves Chanel menswear for proper fit
• [33:34] — Lauren and Carolyn talk future T Magazine editors
• [37:48] — Carolyn on why magazine press trips feel better than influencer junkets
• [39:33] — Carolyn’s purchase: vintage Chanel jacket
• [41:44] — Carolyn’s Cuckoo Intimates recommendation

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Summary Takeaway

This episode delivers a true insider’s look at fashion’s current moment—a swirl of designer reinventions, cross-cultural collaborations, editorial intent, and the messy, human reality behind the industry’s glossy image. From the real-world economics guiding designer exits (and “third acts”) to the subtle guerilla marketing of luxury houses in new markets, Lauren and Carolyn break down what matters (and what doesn’t) in fashion now, with wit, candor, and plenty of off-the-cuff joy.

Fashion is more global, more complicated, yet somehow more niche and nuanced than ever—and these are the conversations “fashion people” are really having.

Transcript

[Lauren Sherman]

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[Lauren Sherman]

Hello and welcome to Fashion People. I'm Lauren Sherman, writer of Puck's fashion and beauty memo line CH and today with me on the show is stylist Carolyn Faux. We're talking life after lvmh, Galliano, Frazara, Chanel, Males and so much more. Happy Tuesday everyone. Hope you had a great weekend. I'm heading to London today for the opening of the Schiaparelli exhibit at the V and A and I'll be there for a couple of days. I will report back on my trip at the end of the week. This past weekend I stopped by the Phoebe Filo store at the Galeries Lafayette on Sunday. They are in the middle of a big expansion the the Phoebe store and it was just interesting to see how many people were shopping what is still open. They had a lot of product in the back and were able to pull stuff and how good everything looked. I tried on two pairs of boots, and I also really liked this one bag. I was like, if I'm gonna buy a bag, maybe this is the one I would get. But I texted Becky Malinsky and I said to her, you know, I just don't know. I've been looking for boots if I can get anything but a Phoebe boot. Now, neither pair were right for what I need right now, but everything else just doesn't look right anyway. I'm not buying anything anyway, but it is just funny how, like, one designer can render everything else irrelevant, or at least all the commercial product irrelevant. But I. I don't know, maybe it's also just being in Paris and a lot more people wear Phoebe and are on the streets and I see people wearing it. So I have another friend who bought the same belt as me an ocean away. So maybe it isn't just here, but it was an interesting thing to observe, and I love being able to go into these department stores and see what people are buying. You should check out line sheet. This week I had a big piece on what happens to designers after they leave these big posts. In particular, Kim Jones leaving Dior and. And Fendi. And I had a bunch of details on that. Carolyn and I also touched on it briefly, but you will only get the scoop in line sheet. And there's lots more from Malik Morris and Sara Shapiro and of course, my beauty queen, Rachel Strugatz. Definitely subscribe. There's lots to see and do, and I will talk to you all on Friday. Let's get going with Krewlin. Carolyn Faux. Welcome back to fashion people.

[Carolyn Faux]

Oh, my gosh. Thanks for having me back. It's an honor.

[Lauren Sherman]

How did you have a good weekend?

[Carolyn Faux]

I had a great weekend. We. I spent most of the weekend being hungover because it was like I was telling you earlier, it's been a crazy month. And immediately after that, I was like, I need to get out of town. So we went to Palm Springs. I was just baking. Yeah. Oh, so fun. I mean, bake. My idea of fun, though, is like baking in 100 degree weather. Full sun, no sunscreen, and then getting into a pool and just rinse and repeat. And then after that, we came back because our friend Al opened up Bar Di Bello in Silver Lake.

[Lauren Sherman]

I saw that Bar Di Bello opened and I was jealous.

[Carolyn Faux]

I mean, hard to not see it open. Everybody in Los Angeles has been there. But yeah, I'm so proud of him. The restaurant is beautiful, as you know, and the food was really great. And then yeah. After that, Jason was DJing a party at Los Globos. Have you ever been there?

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, my God. You know, but I can't believe that people over the age of 30 go to Los Globos. They don't even DJ.

[Carolyn Faux]

No. We were the only ones for real. We were.

[Lauren Sherman]

I was too old when I moved to la. I never got to experience stuff like Los Globos. But I remember your friend Brandon Wardell used to do stuff there too. Oh, yeah?

[Carolyn Faux]

Oh, yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

I mean, happened to that guy?

[Carolyn Faux]

Oh, he's around. Like, we'll see him walking around Silver Lake. Just on a Wednesday, post lunch, just going for a stinky little walk on Sunset Boulevard. He's a hoot. I like him a lot.

[Lauren Sherman]

I love it.

[Carolyn Faux]

But, yeah, Los Globos. And then, you know, like, I just was horizontal for 48 hours. And that was, you know.

[Lauren Sherman]

Can we briefly talk about Bar d'? Bello? My question is, where exactly is it in Silver Lake? I know it's on Sunset, but where? Like, what is the cross? Or what is it around?

[Carolyn Faux]

Okay. I don't. I've lived here for so long and I don't know the names of any streets. I just know that it's down the street from Sunspell. If you know where Sun Spell is in Silver Lake. And it's in that kind of like, new development. There's like a little strip of stores where there's maybe like a DS and Durga or something. Or like La Labo.

[Lauren Sherman]

It's. Oh, yeah, I know. Oh, it's. It's over. Okay. Yeah, I know that development very well.

[Carolyn Faux]

Yeah. Yeah. So it's there and yeah, it's a beautiful build out. I'm so happy for him. I'm actually going to go back next week for some drinks with my girlfriend.

[Lauren Sherman]

Do you think that this indicates Silver Lake? Because his last restaurant, Gigi's, was like, it was pretty fancy and it was like a. I don't know. It was. It. To me, it was. It was, it was. It really leveled up. Like, a lot of restaurants in LA are either old school and you love, like, jar type vibe Mozza, and it's great service and it's been there forever. Or you're kind of like, eh, this isn't a good. Good enough. But Gigi's was great. It was like, this really is. And it was already. It was in Sycamore, so it was pretty far east. For people who live west, this is really far east. Do you think this is, like, an indication of Silver Lake growing up? Oh, because it Feels like. Yeah, like, it feels like it'll be a destination for real. Not just like kind of a destination.

[Carolyn Faux]

No, for sure. And I feel like. I mean, Bar Di Bello, I would say is probably like the nicest, like, fanciest thing we probably have on the east side right now. But there's been so many new restaurants in the past, like, what, five years that have opened up that feel like cool, like places where you'd actually want to go. That's kind of like not horses, but like horses which.

[Lauren Sherman]

Did you read the Air Mail piece on horses?

[Carolyn Faux]

It was so Stephanie Tran. Do you know her? She was at G. Now she's at WSJ. She sent me, like, literally, we were just talking about this yesterday. She sent me a whole PDF on the article, and it's insane. Now I'm like, wait, did the cat thing actually happen? I don't know.

[Lauren Sherman]

Well, the interest, the interesting thing about. And shout out to the team at airmail for. For getting that story because I was really satisfied. It's really hard with those kinds of, like, we actually got the real story for it to feel like you got the goods. And there were so many rich details in there about text messages and there was just like a lot of information released. The thing that I keep coming back to is like, these people just. How did these people get investors to invest in them? Either of them.

[Carolyn Faux]

I know.

[Lauren Sherman]

Like, either. I don't care what actually happened. They're both clearly had a lot of issues with each other.

[Carolyn Faux]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

And it is crazy to me that people are like, I'll give you two money.

[Carolyn Faux]

No, I know. I'm like, they must not have known or seen like, behind the scenes because in that article they talk about how, like, them fighting as a couple at whatever restaurants they were working at together. That was like a known thing.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes.

[Carolyn Faux]

Like the bickering of it all.

[Lauren Sherman]

And they were so young. And also, I just think it's so hilarious that. Didn't they meet at Noma and she

[Carolyn Faux]

like, given all her boyfriend for him or whatever.

[Lauren Sherman]

Are you going to the Noma pop up?

[Carolyn Faux]

Hell no. I don't give.

[Lauren Sherman]

No.

[Carolyn Faux]

I mean, we went to Noma in Copenhagen a couple summers ago and yeah, sure, it was an experience, but, like, it's not yummy. Like, I also.

[Lauren Sherman]

No, it's not yummy, guys. And also, I hate tasting menus and it's so annoying. Tasting menus are the worst. Stop tasting menus.

[Carolyn Faux]

Three hours. Are you fucking kidding me? Oh, wait, I don't know. Okay, sorry.

[Lauren Sherman]

You can say that.

[Carolyn Faux]

Okay.

[Lauren Sherman]

That's fine.

[Carolyn Faux]

Yeah. Three hours is way too much time. After an hour and a half, I need to get paid to be there. This is crazy. This is crazy.

[Lauren Sherman]

I agree. I. You know, what I did once was when Noma was closed for renovation or something, they had this thing called Noma under the bridge. And I went with Jen Rubio, the former CEO of Away, because we were. I think I interviewed her at, like, some conference in Copenhagen, and she was like, should we. I was like, gee, should we go to this? And it was Family Style, and that was amazing. Like, I had the best bread of my entire life because it wasn't a tasty menu. And then Dan and I went back in 2019, and I was like, I'm good. I don't like feeling sick. And that's what this just did to me, and I'm never going back again. But someone sent us the menu from. So I guess they still. I mean, I. They're still doing it, but it's so funny.

[Carolyn Faux]

But anyway, I mean. And it's sold out, from what I understand. And funny that you bring up the bread, because we had asked for bread when we were at Noma, and they were like, we don't really have that here, but let's see what we can, like, piece together. The bread is not from the restaurant. It's from Heart, which I guess is like, his bakery.

[Lauren Sherman]

He used to work there, and blah, blah, blah. The bread at the Family Style was a best bread I've ever had. Yeah. It was so good.

[Carolyn Faux]

The bread was the best part of our dinner.

[Lauren Sherman]

And you know that I think that guy came from Tartine.

[Carolyn Faux]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

It really all comes back to California, Carolyn. Anyway, enough with the food. Sorry, Fashion.

[Carolyn Faux]

Let's get into it.

[Lauren Sherman]

It was actually a pretty newsy week. Even though we're. All the shows are over and the Oscars are over. One of the biggest news stories from last week was this John announcement that John Galliano and Zara are partnering for two years on a series of collections. They will not be based on John Galliano's design like previous designs, because that archive is owned by lvmh, his former employer that still owns his brand. But it will be new designs based on the Zara archives, which obviously is a little funny because Zara is a fast fashion or, you know, a quick fashion, let's be nice, quick fashion company that tends to take inspiration from other designers. So that's anyway.

[Carolyn Faux]

Gracious. Yes. Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

What do you think about it?

[Carolyn Faux]

I mean, you know how I feel about Galliano. I think the last Time I was on here, you were just like, what do you collect in terms of vintage? And for me, despite all of the crazy shit that he said obviously in the past, I'm still a huge fan, you know, like, what he did at Dior and even Margiela is, like, iconic. You cannot deny it. So at Zara, I am curious to see what re author means. He's talking about re authoring clothes and what that looks like in his vision. And I don't know, like, I'm happy for him in the sense that, like, listen, this is his what. What he's calling his third act, which I guess is like, is that. Does that mean you're. He's almost at the end of his career. I'm happy that he's comfortable because I. We all. We don't. We all know that he's getting a check for this, right?

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, I hope a big one.

[Carolyn Faux]

Totally. And for two years, like, listen, as a commercial stylist, I get it. Money is so nice, you know, I agree.

[Lauren Sherman]

And I also. The thing that was interesting, I try not to take, like, the Internet chatter to, like, I. I read it, I let it inform. And I. I'm not. It's not that I don't take other people's opinions seriously. I very much do. But I try not to let it poison me, I would say. But there was, like, a lot of conversation about people kind of mad that he was doing it. And the thing is, like, all anyone talks about is how expensive clothes are and if. And like, there isn't that much. I have a friend who's getting married at. In May, and she was trying on a new McQueen dress that was really beautiful. And I said, this is really beautiful. But, like, should you maybe look for vintage McQueen or Givenchy McQueen or something John Galliano, like, from the late 90s. And she said, honestly, there just isn't enough to. She was having trouble finding something. And I think you've been collecting it for years. It's become such a bigger thing. Miyako Belizzi wore Dior Galliano Dior couture to the Oscars. There was another person who's like a young actor or something who wore a Galliano vintage Galliano dress. Like, this is in the air. And the idea that people who, I don't know, can't fit into a Galliano size 6 from 1997 or whatever or just, like, don't have that kind of understanding of how to search for that stuff was be able to access something he created. I think it's Great. Like, I did. I don't know. I. I think. I think people. I think it's it. And it. And it is a thing where these designers. I've been looking a lot at designers who have exited these big jobs in. In recent weeks. And these designers make a lot of money, and they're used to a certain lifestyle. And it's kind of like in Hollywood, if you talk to an agent or a manager, they'll say, well, look, like, you can't make money off of movies anymore. You have to supplant it because, like, you have this whole staff and you have all these people who have to pay designer. Big designers aren't that different. Like, they've got, like, they've got a team that they've been employing forever. They have. They have houses, they have mortgages.

[Carolyn Faux]

Totally.

[Lauren Sherman]

And so I think it's. I think it's okay. Like, do I. What do I dream that John Galliano will relaunch his brand? I think it would be interesting. Sure. But, like, reality is he's much better off doing this than, like, trying to restart his brand, even with the backing of lvmh, which is, like, the best case scenario.

[Carolyn Faux]

Yeah, I mean, I agree. I. Listen, I get it. I think it's. Who cares? Who cares why he's going? That's what he wants to do. And it's like, he's already proven himself. He's already done all the things. What more do you want from him, realistically? Like, he could also just coast off into the sunset right now and, like, not give us anything at all. So the fact that he's kind of like, well, this tickles me. Like, I'll do Zara. Let's just see what this is about. I'm curious to see what that is. I want to know.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. Yeah, me too. I agree. It was interesting because on Monday, I have this big piece on Kim Jones post LVMH and what he is doing, and he launched this. Do you know about Bose Dang?

[Carolyn Faux]

Okay. So I had to just look into this, to be completely honest with you, because I was like, what the. Does it.

[Lauren Sherman]

What.

[Carolyn Faux]

What is this?

[Lauren Sherman]

I had never heard of it before February.

[Carolyn Faux]

Okay. So looking into it, I'm realizing it's like the upscale Uniqlo of China.

[Lauren Sherman]

Is that outerwear only? Okay, so it's mostly outerwear, and I think it's like the market cap from. From what I could tell on Yahoo Finance is like, steel $6 billion. But it's like. It's like a. I tried. I. I asked AI like is the, is it the Chinese Patagonia? AI was not giving it to me, but it's like it's, they're a, it's a down company. So like their expertise isn't down. So it is mostly outerwear. And for the last 10 years or so or so they've been working on moving it more upmarket, I think to compete against like Canada Goose and probably a little bit Montclair and Patagonia, that type of thing. But they, it's a huge company and they've tried like they've shown at Fashion Week before. I had never heard, I somehow had never heard of it. But then they contracted Kim Jones to do this high end line called Ariel. And I remembered he had talked about it at this FT conference where he also, he disclosed that he's the He. He collaborates with Amman Essentials.

[Carolyn Faux]

Like the hotel.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes. Of the Aman resort.

[Carolyn Faux]

Yeah, cool.

[Lauren Sherman]

Totally. And he was like, I've been to 30 out of 33amans. Which I was like, amazing. And someone messaged me and was like, it's true. I was at this one in this year with him, which was so funny.

[Carolyn Faux]

This is exactly how he should be spending his time off.

[Lauren Sherman]

Like a hundred percent.

[Carolyn Faux]

This is exactly what he needs to do.

[Lauren Sherman]

A hundred percent. And so it was an interesting thing. And if you read, I'm not going to reveal this here, but if you read line sheet, I was able to find out how much he's being paid for this bows dang thing, which it's a lot of money and good for him, I bet. It should be.

[Carolyn Faux]

Are you kidding me?

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Carolyn Faux]

And also I, I looked at the collection that they just put out. It's cool. It like, it reminds me of him. And like, you know this, it has like a Craig Green feel to it a little bit too with like the welting on some of the jackets. Yeah, I'm into it. I think it looks really nice. Like he should be proud, you know.

[Lauren Sherman]

I agree. Yeah, I agree.

[Carolyn Faux]

And the price point is really good.

[Commercial Announcer 1]

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[Lauren Sherman]

One thing I, and I don't know if you think about this at all in, in your styling or whatever and, and the kinds of brands you're pulling in for stuff, but another big kind of theme of my work from the last few months has been this idea of the luxury industry was so reliant or just, yeah, reliant on China. Chinese consumers and thinking, oh, they're always going to be there. We can just like give them spoon feed them crap. And it's. And, and they will buy it. And the Chinese consumer, A, there's like a million cohorts of Chinese consumer. And B, they've gotten a lot more sophisticated and they're like, actually we don't have as much money and we only want Hermes because Hermes is really nice and everything else is not good enough. And so. And meanwhile all these brands are popping up there in the same way. They're making their own movies and now like 2 out of the 10 of the highest grossing films in the world last year were from China and they didn't get distributed anywhere else. So I'm just curious, like, and it's interesting with this, this Bose Dang, where they want, they clearly want. They also invested in Moose Knuckles, the Canadian.

[Carolyn Faux]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm aware, I'm aware. Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

Which I found this European article that said moose knuckles is translated to elk testicles. Which I was like, I don't know.

[Carolyn Faux]

But is it just me or does Moose Knuckles, like, I hear moose knuckles and I think camel toe. Like, is that.

[Lauren Sherman]

It's a good point. It's a good point.

[Carolyn Faux]

It's not a great name.

[Lauren Sherman]

No, it's not a great name. But the point being they clearly want to be a global brand. Do you think that that's possible? Do you think that that's the kind of thing that they'll continue being successful in China, but it won't, it won't expand out. Like, when you look at the sort of survey of brands on the market and what you think has relevance and what doesn't, and just pop culture in general, like, how do you see Chinese brands, like, infiltrating the global culture in the way that, like, they took Western.

[Carolyn Faux]

They.

[Lauren Sherman]

Western brands were imported to China for so long.

[Carolyn Faux]

Yeah. I mean, I think that right now it all starts with just, like, pop culture. Right. Like, what are, like, the most famous, like, the Jenners or whatever, what are they wearing and, like, the Biebers of it all. And I feel like, because those celebrities live in the States, they're going to be seeing, like, American brands or, like, you know, the classic luxury European brands more than they would like a Chinese brand. So I think, like, within the. In the case with, like, Kim Jones, the reason why he's brought in is to help bring awareness to the Western world. Like, he's a name that Americans and Europeans care about, and it has a lot of value. And so I think that's the whole. That's why they're doing that. And so I feel like for Chinese brands, like, until their pop culture becomes something that we all look towards as, like, oh, that's cool, or I'm interested. I. I think that they're going to have to continue bringing in, like, these European names or even American names to help bring awareness to their brands in the way that they want to, if they want to, like, expand globally.

[Lauren Sherman]

Totally. And a huge part of, like, Kim Jones's selling or value to LVMH in particular, was that he was able to make products that Chinese consumers really loved, and he has a huge following there. But on the other, like, what you're saying, the reverse was that, like, I've never heard of Bose Dang before, and now I know what it is. And I walked by Galerie Lafayette during. I don't know if it was couture or during Fashion Week. I was like, what is going on with this stuff? And that's how I found out about it. Even though he had, like, communicated about it. But I didn't really get it until I saw it in the store. And so that was interesting.

[Carolyn Faux]

The clothes themselves that he's designed, I think do resonate with, like, a European or American market. I think the clothes are really smart and they're beautiful, and it looks like, you know, like I was saying earlier, it looks like Craig Green, which I feel like people are eating up. So, yeah, like, it's working. It's just about getting that exposure, you know, like, bringing it over here and making it accessible to us. Because. No, also, I don't think it's, like, strong enough for. At least for. In my opinion, I could be very wrong. But, like, I'm not gonna buy something from China and, like, pay for the shipping or whatever to get it over here. I don't know that I care that much. So it needs to be, like, that brand. That collection needs to be available here in the States for me to just.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Carolyn Faux]

Get it or at least see it

[Lauren Sherman]

in person, especially during this tariff war. You know, you. You know what's, like, completely immune to this Terrafor is Chanel. Oh, well, because they did price harmonization years ago. Good for them. But I wanted to talk to you because you style men a lot. You do a lot of editorial menswear shoots, and you style men in different capacities. Chanel has gone really hard on their menswear. At the Oscars, Pedro Pascal was in, and they have this relationship with Harry Styles, this relationship with Timothee Chalamet. These. More and more, you see more and more men in. In Chanel, but. And yet the CEO of Chanel, Lena Nair, has said time and again, we're not launching men's. I don't know what's going to happen. I assume one day they will launch men's, but right now, they, like, this is getting more men to shop the handbags and things. But I'm curious what you think about it and. And about the way Chanel has sort of embedded in the menswear market without actually making true menswear.

[Carolyn Faux]

Yeah, I mean, I wish they would do menswear simply for the inseam and, like, the arm length. There's been many times where I, like, I was styling somber for a story for Nylon. It's coming out next month. Yeah, next month. And I was hoping to pull Chanel, but realistically, you know, the kid is six, five. I can't. Like, the sleeves are going to be way too cropped. And the Chanel sleeve, at least in previous collections, it was already pretty short, you know, and now that's true. Yeah. And which I. I love that the new collection is, like, a bit more relaxed and kind of loose. I feel like it's more modern and it feels, like, cooler. Less stuffy, if you will.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Carolyn Faux]

So hopefully I can, like, pull some of it, depending on the silhouette for my guys. But, yeah, I love it on men. And I think for the younger generation, like, people in their 20s or early 30s, you know, like, that's just how people are dressing already. Like, I. You Know, I pulled, like, women's McQueen to put on Somber, and it looked sick as hell. Like, did we have to kind of open the back a little bit? Yes, but, you know, it's cool. And all this to say, I feel like let's just do, like, a bigger size run. I don't know, for the samples. Is that too much to ask?

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, I think that's. That is fair. It is amazing to me. I know that. Well, like, how many sample sets do these global companies have? Do they have one for each region or two for each region? I mean, how do they do it?

[Carolyn Faux]

I think they used to. Now I feel like Europe and America is, like, sharing. Sorry, did you hear that? It was, like, a notification on my computer.

[Lauren Sherman]

No.

[Carolyn Faux]

Okay. Well, anyways, yeah, I. I feel. Oh, yeah. So back in the day, I felt like, yeah, they were supposed to have two sample sets, one for the US and one for Europe. And now I feel like they're sharing everything. And this whole interesting. The. The wrangling of the samples, to me, I just don't. I will never be able to understand. And also now I'm realizing, like, the people organizing these samples are literally, like, straight out of college. And not to say that you can't, like, do that. Sure. I'm sure there's tons of, you know, graduates. New. New graduates that are very capable at their jobs. But, like, some of these people, I'm just like, bro, what the hell? Like, you're not even looking at the shipping label. Like, I had somebody send me a. A return shipping label that went back to me, and I'm like, yeah, what do you. You guys pay attention. Just read the fine print. Remember reading?

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Carolyn Faux]

Remember that?

[Lauren Sherman]

No, I mean, most of these people are probably still in college.

[Carolyn Faux]

Well, and that's another thing, too. It's like, that's probably all that these brands can afford.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. I mean, it's. Yeah, some of them. Some of the. You do wonder. You're like, well, look at your margin. Could you. But. But this is. Hopefully AI will save. Change all this, like, help us. This will be the positive of AI, that this stuff will all be, like, processed by computers now. I don't know.

[Carolyn Faux]

Yeah, I hope so. Can we get, like, Epidemic Bezos, Amazon on this shit? If Amazon ran the samples, oh, my God, that'd be so good.

[Lauren Sherman]

It. It does feel like it's like, an unnecessary part of your job that you have to deal with.

[Carolyn Faux]

It's 80% of doing the editorials. And, like, thankfully these days, I. I have, like, good enough relationships with certain Magazines that have their own fashion departments that can help.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Carolyn Faux]

You know, with the logistics of it all. Because it's so much logistics. The amount of money in shipping and all this. It's crazy. Crazy. It's really crazy.

[Lauren Sherman]

I can't imagine.

[Carolyn Faux]

Oh, yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

I'd never have done a shoot, so I wouldn't know. But it's like, the amount of. It's funny when you hear about these, like, magazines, budgets decreasing, but if. If I saw what they spent on stuff, I'd still be like, oh, my God, that's so nuts.

[Carolyn Faux]

Yeah. No, it's wild. But, you know, we love our magazines and we love. We need them.

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[Lauren Sherman]

I am curious. Speaking of kneading magazines, what do you think about Hanya leaving tea? And I don't know if you ever work with them, but what would you like to see the next version of T magazine look like? I don't think some people were curious if they're gonna fold it. I don't think they're gonna fold it. It brings in a lot of luxury advertising, and it's a very small staff, so I'm sure it's. The budget is good and it allows the salespeople at the New York Times. It gives them a way to have a deep relationship with the luxury advertisers. I don't see a point in closing it, but curious what your thoughts are.

[Carolyn Faux]

Well, okay. Do we know why she left? Is it just like a. I think

[Lauren Sherman]

she's just done, like. She definitely did not get fired. She. I think she just was like, I've been here for 10 years. You know, she's a novelist. She's not really. She was a magazine editor for a long time, but it was always like, I think my sense. I don't know her, but. But, I mean, I've met her, but I don't know her very well. My sense is that it was sort of like a fun project.

[Carolyn Faux]

Totally.

[Lauren Sherman]

She really likes writing novels or whatever, and I think. And Tia, so. And they let her do whatever she wanted.

[Carolyn Faux]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

Like, it was just wild. There was the holiday issue I wrote in Line sheet. Like, it was about how Gen X is the greatest generation. She did three covers, including a Simpsons cover. Like, it was insane. I mean, it's just so crazy. And I was. It was cool, though. Like, I was like, well, good for her that. That she. She's doing this because there, as someone from the time said to me, there are so few places where the editor is, like, has the final say anymore. And she really does. And so you gotta respect it.

[Carolyn Faux]

Yeah, I think it's cool. I also, like, I. I looked into her a little bit, and I like that she is, like, first and foremost a novelist. I think it brings, like, a different angle to fashion publications because I feel like you can't have somebody that's way too into fashion to do that. It just. It's not going to make it very dynamic. And so to answer your question of who I think should go there, and don't laugh when I say this, I think it should be Chris Black.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, my God.

[Carolyn Faux]

I think he would be so good at that.

[Lauren Sherman]

I. I still think that Chris Black should have gotten that Q job. Well, we all will die on that hill. Yeah, I will die on that hill.

[Carolyn Faux]

But if he can't have that, maybe it's tea, you know? And, like, he is very well read. Exactly, exactly.

[Lauren Sherman]

He reads more than any person we know.

[Carolyn Faux]

Totally. I don't even know how. I guess it's like, the sobriety of it all. But, yeah, like, I feel that all jokes aside, like, I feel like he'd do such a good job and make it, like, interesting and new and young and, like, I don't know, he's gonna have to censor himself a little bit, but, you know, whatever. Like, I think it's cool. I would be very interested in seeing what Chris Black's version is of T magazine, for sure.

[Lauren Sherman]

I wouldn't be mad at that. I think that the reality of who wants to do that kind of thing at this point is very limited. And having an interesting person like that

[Carolyn Faux]

who

[Lauren Sherman]

is an entrepreneur, it understands a lot of sides of things.

[Carolyn Faux]

Totally.

[Lauren Sherman]

It's interesting. I still am. Like, there's still part of me that thinks someday he might be the editor of gq.

[Carolyn Faux]

Yeah. And this will be the first Adam guy.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Let's let this Adam guy have his Time.

[Carolyn Faux]

Totally. What do you think about him? Are you allowed to speak on this?

[Lauren Sherman]

Sure. I mean, I report on it. I haven't done any reporting since he started it because it hasn't been very long. And he was. He started during Fashion Week and I wasn't really engaged. Look, I think he is a company man and Anna Wintour really likes him. He's also, from everything I've been told, extremely smart. Yeah. He's gonna have to prove to me that he is able to have a vision. And the interesting. Whether you liked what Will Welch did or not, it was specific and it was smart. The way he packaged it all and had a really great team around him. And I think it needs change. Like, I think it was time. But I also think that I'm not sure because I didn't see this guy's project. So I don't know if it is. And I don't know him. I knew all the other candidates and, like, had opinions about who would be good and who wouldn't. It's funny. Did you see that big, high snobiety press trip that Chris actually went on this past weekend in? It went to Samurai.

[Carolyn Faux]

Yes, yes, yes. I saw, like, him and Raven and Matty Rotman were there.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes. And it was orchestrated by high sabiety editor in chief Noah Johnson, who has been a guest on Fashion People and also was, I think, in the running for this GQ job. Okay. It was interesting because I was like, damn, he did a good job. They had like. I was like, who sponsored this? And apparently they had a bunch of different sponsors that were sort of pooled. They stayed at the Koum Hotel, which I've stayed there in the summer. It's truly amazing. They went skiing. They partied.

[Carolyn Faux]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

Maddie DJed one night. Like, there was like multiple DJ nights with cool people. They only invited interesting people. Chris did a bunch of social media. They had some other cool person do photography for the Instagram. And I was like. And Laura Riley went like. It was a really fun mix of people. I was like, this press trip looks amazing. And this is like, that's the kind of thing GQ should be doing. I will see. Like, it was more creative. It was one of the more creative press, especially because they have, like, multiple sponsors. Instead of. Which is an interesting way for, like, a brand, a media brand.

[Carolyn Faux]

Totally.

[Lauren Sherman]

To get people together. And so it'll be interesting. Or instead of doing a conference or something.

[Carolyn Faux]

Totally.

[Lauren Sherman]

So much more. I was very charmed by it and impressed and I thought, oh, that's interesting.

[Carolyn Faux]

Yeah. No, me too. I definitely was watching being like, like I wanted that invite. That sounds, that sounds fun. It sounds really fun.

[Lauren Sherman]

Like I would have gone and covered at a discount for it. Just, just. Yeah, honestly, I wouldn't have. I would have been like, I'm tired. But. But it looked really fun.

[Carolyn Faux]

It looked great. And I will say, like, I feel like brands, like clothing brands have been doing this sort of thing for a while now. Like, yes. Little like, let's call them influencer trips for lack of a better term. But for some reason with the magazine, it feels less icky.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes.

[Carolyn Faux]

Do you know what I mean? I don't know why, but it feels less like maybe because they can wear whatever they want and they're not like, like outfits every day doing like, you know, making like a rotisserie chicken or whatever.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. And I think it was, it was smart the way I think they had. They had three different sponsors, a watch and two other probably alcohol or something. So it didn't feel exactly what you're saying. Like it, it felt much more about the media brand.

[Carolyn Faux]

Totally.

[Lauren Sherman]

And then these sponsors get to be. It kind of like what Will did has done with the super bowl thing where he's a fashion show. Totally. Where there's tons of sponsors, but he has like a fashion brand come in more organically. And that, that I think was a good, like precursor to this thing. But I thought it was smart. Good for Noah Johnson. Yeah, that was a good idea. So totally. Or whoever on his team made it up. But I thought it was fun. And I was like, that's. That's what you call fun press trip.

[Carolyn Faux]

Oh, absolutely. And I hope they start doing more of that. Like, I hope, you know, like, similar to Will, he was really good at hosting parties. Like very good at hosting these. And you know, obviously those parties they're getting paid from sponsors, blah, blah, blah. So I. And I know that other magazines were trying to do that after he. They saw his success with it. And I feel like maybe this is something that high snobiety has started and other magazines will be doing it. Hopefully.

[Lauren Sherman]

No. Interesting.

[Carolyn Faux]

And we'll get the invite.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. Invite Carolyn. If you go, I'll go.

[Carolyn Faux]

Fuck yeah, that'll be fun.

[Lauren Sherman]

This was so fun. Have you bought anything good lately before we go?

[Carolyn Faux]

Oh my God, yes.

[Lauren Sherman]

Okay, so what have you gotten?

[Carolyn Faux]

As I told you, I've just been fucking working for the last month non stop. I bought a vintage Chanel jacket here.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh my God, she's so cute. I thought I saw it in the background and I was like, what is that?

[Carolyn Faux]

She's a little minty girl.

[Lauren Sherman]

So pretty.

[Carolyn Faux]

And then I. I bought just like, some random things. Like, oh, I went to the Gucci outlet when I was out in Palm Springs, and I got a bag and some fun sunglasses. But you know where I went. Yes. Okay. Sorry. I know we're ending soon, but. Okay. Where I went yesterday, I didn't buy anything because they were so nice. They had this, like, gorgeous gifting suite, was Cuckoo Intimates. They did a little thing out Wild. It's so cute. The owner, Rose, is like, just the most adorable woman I've ever met in my life. And all the pieces are really beautiful. And I feel like I'm gonna be wearing this all summer.

[Lauren Sherman]

I love it. I have to say, a. There is so much pointelle knit stuff right now, and I feel like cuckoo. But there's, like, a lot of good lingerie right now. Yeah, there's just so much pretty stuff.

[Carolyn Faux]

There's a lot.

[Lauren Sherman]

There was. There's like a Japanese lingerie shop that I follow that had, like, a pointel knit thing. And that was that sort of point out with a little bow. That little, like, underwear shirt was so big for. On the runways this season. Like, Loewe did one in, like, a fun, like, tactile material, and it was. It was just so Marie. Adam Leonard had it. It's just been so. It feels like it came from Doyle, but I feel like Cuckoo does such a good job with that kind of style. And she's British, right? Yeah, she is.

[Carolyn Faux]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, she is.

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[Carolyn Faux]

I guess that's why they hosted it at Wilds, being like an English restaurant. But the.

[Lauren Sherman]

I never. I never went there, Carolyn.

[Carolyn Faux]

Well, it's new. I mean, it, like, literally, what was it, like three months ago? It's really good. I know it's really.

[Lauren Sherman]

But I like to go to places fast. I feel when I'm in la next I'll go.

[Carolyn Faux]

Yeah, we should. We should. It's definitely. Let's do it Spot. But last thing I'll say about Cuckoo, that I really. I hadn't experienced yet. I'd bought in, like, the pointel underwear, blah, blah, blah. But the cotton wall is really, really nice. And, like, she's getting, like, the lace from this basically, like nuns, like, in the south of France. Like, it's like, kind of wild. They're not from nuns, actually. But it's a very special kind of lace that she's putting. Oh, it's here on the. On the shirts.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, pretty. Yeah.

[Carolyn Faux]

But anyways, that's all great.

[Lauren Sherman]

I love it. Thank you for the wreck. It was so nice to catch up and I hope I see you soon. Yeah. Either here or there.

[Carolyn Faux]

Thank you, Lauren.

[Lauren Sherman]

See you soon. Fashion People is a presentation of Odyssey in partnership with Puck. The show is produced and edited by Molly Nugent. Special thanks to Puck co founder John Kelly, executive editor Ben Landy, producer Maya Tribbett, and director of editorial operations, Gabby Grossman. An additional thanks to the team at Odyssey, Kelly Turner and Bob Tabador.

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