Night of a Thousand Fashion People

Summary

Fashion People Podcast

Episode: Night of a Thousand Fashion People
Date: November 4, 2025
Host: Lauren Sherman
Guest: Derek Blasberg

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Episode Overview

This episode of Fashion People centers around the 2025 CFDA Fashion Awards—bringing together insider observations, red carpet stories, and broader industry commentary. Host Lauren Sherman is joined by journalist and Substack author Derek Blasberg (“And Another Thing”), as they discuss the event’s biggest moments, the evolving landscape of American fashion, the significance of new and established names being honored, and the oncoming transformation of media brands like Teen Vogue. The conversation is lively, peppered with humorous asides, friendly jabs, and reflective industry analysis.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. CFDA Fashion Awards Recap (03:41–19:39)

• The Atmosphere and Event Logistics
  • Lauren and Derek reminisce about previous CFDA galas, discussing how the event has become a “marathon” that runs late into the night.
  • Lauren suggests, “They should serve the food while they are doing the awards...people at that point in the night are ready for the Awards.” (04:45)
• Celebrity Sightings & Table Gossip
  • Lauren’s seat near industry luminaries like Anna Wintour, Donatella Versace, Amanda Silverman, Mark Ronson, Rihanna, and A$AP Rocky is a focal point:
    • “I turn around, my seat was wedged between Anna and Donatella Versace...and to my right, it’s Rihanna and A$AP.” (06:32)
  • Discussion of A$AP Rocky’s charismatic acceptance speech:
    • “His sign off was like, stay happy and I’ll stay pretty.” (07:56)
• Award Standouts
  • Ralph Lauren’s win for Womenswear Designer of the Year as a “career cap off,” and why “prep” and '80s nostalgia are resurging in fashion.
    • Derek: “When everyone...that was sort of an emotional and grand moment for a living legend. A king in New York, a king in this business.” (09:05)
  • Peter Muller's humble speech recognized the “unsung heroes” of fashion (patternmakers, assistants), drawing praise from both hosts for his low-profile influence (15:28–16:17).
  • Honoring designers and their broader cultural influences, such as Donatella Versace’s advocacy and A$AP Rocky’s star power.
• Fashion’s Evolving Aesthetics
  • Nostalgia’s role (“everyone who’s coming into power right now is in their early to mid-40s”) and Japanese expansion (Onward’s scaling of J. Press).
  • Derek discusses “twisted preps” and the enduring relevance of classic American brands (09:47–11:21).

2. “American Black Tie” Dress Code & Elasticated Trousers (19:41–23:25)

• Fashion Choices at the Awards
  • Lauren wore vintage Bill Blass; Mel Ottenberg’s tuxedo with jeans is highlighted for its “party on bottom” spirit.
  • Discussion moves to the trend of drawstring and elasticated dress pants, and Gen Z’s embrace of public pajama dressing:
    • Derek: “If we’re talking about function and fashion, I also have a pair of elasticated pants...definitely more comfortable.” (21:53)
    • Lauren: “My rule is I don’t like an elasticated waist. I can do a drawstring...” (22:23)
• Nostalgic Industry Reflections
  • Jack McCollough and Lazaro Hernandez of Proenza Schouler discussed in the context of designer movements and the “cool kids' table.”

3. The L.A. Gala Season & Event Circuit (26:04–33:16)

• LACMA Gala & The Power of LA Events
  • Derek describes the community’s joy at the Dodgers’ win during the LACMA gala, underscoring how LA’s sociopolitical climate impacts the mood of its elite gatherings.
• Nonstop Gala Season
  • Naming the parade of events: Academy Gala, LACMA, Baby2Baby, Vogue World. Derek’s frequent flyer fatigue is apparent.
• Philanthropy & Social Circles
  • Baby2Baby’s “incredible organization” and the female entrepreneurs behind it.
    • Derek: “Built from scratch this incredible organization that started by distributing necessities to local families in LA and is now an international powerhouse.” (29:18)
• Candid Industry Wisdom
  • The two riff about the merits (and realities) of board membership.
    • Derek: “You just described someone who is lazy and there for cash...you have to show up.” (31:28–32:10)

4. The Creator Economy & Derek's Substack (33:13–36:51)

• Blasberg’s Career Philosophy
  • Derek: “If you love what you do, you never have to work a day in your life.” (34:32, quoting Mark Twain)
  • Lauren lauds Derek as the epitome of making work feel like play—though the Substack grind brings its own challenges:
    • Derek: “There are days when I love that I am flexing my little literary muscle...and then there are days when I’m reminded that the creator economy is a bottomless pit...a giant hamster wheel.” (35:01)
  • The Substack community is described as a less toxic, more engaged space than other social platforms.

5. Media Mishaps: The End of Teen Vogue (37:14–44:39)

• Teen Vogue & Digital Consolidation
  • News broke that Teen Vogue is folding into Vogue, with layoffs including the EIC. Also, Vogue Business to be consolidated.
    • Lauren: “...why in the world of the Internet, why can’t there just be teen coverage on Vogue?...It just reflects the times and also the way teen culture has changed.” (38:32–39:35)
  • Personal reflections on the importance of Teen Vogue during its heyday and its progressive, political stance in the 2010s.
  • Anecdotes about prior involvement with Teen Vogue and the significance of having real fashion editors and photographers cover a young, female demographic.
    • Derek: “There was also incredible power in treating that demographic...They had real photographers shooting fashion stories...they legitimized that era’s girl.” (44:11)
• Leadership at Conde Nast
  • Lauren highlights Chloe Moll’s role in softening the blow of the layoffs and steering the Vogue editorial team.

6. Upcoming Industry Events & Final Thoughts (44:39–49:12)

• Gagosian Gallery Openings
  • Derek outlines major upcoming events, including Richard Prince and Jeff Koons gallery openings, Sotheby’s new location, and coverage of the upcoming Lauder auction.
• Celebration of Positive Voices
  • Derek: “I call myself a cheerleader more than a critic...” (49:12)
  • Lauren and Derek end on an uplifting note about honesty, enthusiasm, and the future of fashion communities both in-person and online.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Seating at CFDA:
  “...my seat was wedged between Anna and Donatella Versace...and to my right, it’s Rihanna and A$AP.” – Lauren Sherman (06:32)
• On A$AP Rocky:
  “His sign off was like, stay happy and I’ll stay pretty.” – Derek Blasberg (07:56)
• On Timeless Fashion:
  “I have my twisted...I have the original version of this stuff.” – Derek Blasberg, on the cyclical nature of American prep (10:16)
• On the Power of Showing Up:
  “If you want to stay relevant...you have to show up.” – Derek Blasberg (32:10)
• On Board Memberships:
  “The way you just described being on a board is not a quality board member. You just described someone who is lazy and there for cash.” – Derek Blasberg (31:28)
• On Substack and the Creator Economy:
  “...there are days when I love that I am flexing my little literary muscle...and there are days when I’m reminded that the creator economy is a bottomless pit and you never feel like you’re caught up...” – Derek Blasberg (35:01)
• On the End of Teen Vogue:
  “...why in the world of the Internet, why can’t there just be teen coverage on Vogue?...It just reflects the times and also the way teen culture has changed.” – Lauren Sherman (39:35)
• On Positive Influence:
  “I call myself a cheerleader more than a critic, so I’m very...” – Derek Blasberg (49:12)
• On Honesty in Coverage:
  “You’re enthusiastic, but it...feels real. Like, even if you’re hot...you’re not going to say a mean thing. You are also not gonna say something that you don’t believe...” – Lauren Sherman (49:31)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• CFDA Awards Recap: 03:41–19:39
• Dress Code & Drawstring Pant Trend: 19:41–23:25
• L.A. Gala Season & Social Circuit: 26:04–33:16
• Creator Economy / Substack: 33:13–36:51
• Teen Vogue/Fashion Media Shake-up: 37:14–44:39
• Industry Happenings & Wrap-Up: 44:39–49:12

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Tone & Style

The hosts maintain a blend of wit, candor, and insider specificity, swapping self-deprecating jokes (“You just described someone who is lazy and there for cash...”—Derek, 31:28), mutual respect, and sincere admiration for the industry’s creative spirit. The episode is filled with behind-the-scenes storytelling and a palpable sense of both nostalgia and forward-looking optimism.

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This summary delivers an engaging, in-depth account of what truly mattered in this episode for listeners who want the pulse of fashion’s elite and the transformations shaping the business.

Transcript

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[Lauren Sherman]

Hello and welcome to Fashion People. I'm Lauren Sherman, writer of Puck's Fashion and Beauty Memo Line sheet. And today with me on the show is Derek Blasberg, author of the Fabulous New Substack. And another thing, we're talking CFDA Fashion Awards, Drawstring Pants Gala Season Trad Fashion and so much more. Happy Tuesday everyone. I am in New York, very rushed. I I hate being like I'm so busy and important. I'm not, but I just like really overstuff my schedule to make myself feel better. Not anything else you need to know about, but please check out line sheet this week. Yesterday it was all about Onward holdings attempt to scale J. Press in the us you all had a lot to say about this. I will be including feedback at the end of the week. In today's issue, we've got some stuff on the Teen Vogue folding into Big Vogue, stuff you can't find anywhere else, of course. And plus, the legendary journalist Terry Akins is back with a look at Michelle Obama's actual impact on the fashion industry. So Terry had a front row seat to the rise of Michelle as a fashion icon, and we do not use that word lightly in these parts. And she makes a lot of good points about how Michelle did it differently than other first Ladies and really treated it like a job. I. I'd say Jackie Kennedy and she probably shared that. But obviously Michelle's was much more strategic. And Meredith Coop, her stylist, was involved in that, too. And they have this new book out. I think it's called Look. You have to look it up. Sorry. As you will see on the episode, Derek, I'm a little bit flustered, but hope you enjoy it. I hope to see you all if I haven't seen you yet. And we'll talk soon. Derek Blasberg, welcome to Fashion People.

[Derek Blasberg]

I am so happy to be here. I'm a longtime listener and I have been jealous that you've asked other people. I mean, Mel Ottenberg has been on three times before I got this invitation. So I am very honored to finally be here. Thank you for having me. Also your husband, also my much, much better half. I understand that one, though. That's fine.

[Lauren Sherman]

That I was like, if I had to choose between the two of you, it'll pull one of you out of the fire. I think he would win.

[Derek Blasberg]

Wow.

[Lauren Sherman]

But I love you both.

[Derek Blasberg]

Let's really kick this off on a good note. Thanks a lot, Lauren German we were.

[Lauren Sherman]

Looking for a peg for this. This is why it took so long.

[Derek Blasberg]

Yes.

[Lauren Sherman]

But we wanted a reason.

[Derek Blasberg]

And the CDEG, CFDA. I launched my substack a couple months ago. It's a crater economy, a lot going on.

[Lauren Sherman]

So let's to start, let's discuss CFDA Awards, which we were both there last night. I went to bed very late because that the CFDA Awards ran until like 11:30.

[Derek Blasberg]

The CFDs are a marathon. It's kind of wild.

[Lauren Sherman]

One note I have, and this is the only negative thing I will say, I really think they should serve the food while they are doing the awards. I understand why they serve the food. Then they let people go around and talk because everyone does want to talk. But I think people at that point in the night are ready for the Awards. And so you could serve the food and do the awards at the same time. It's just my one note. My one note.

[Derek Blasberg]

I had a great time in the past. They have done that. Lauren. I am so old. I remember when they used to do these awards at the New York Public Library, and it was even more of a marathon. You got in the. Don't complain. It could be longer. Okay, that was an abridged version.

[Lauren Sherman]

Derek, I think we are exactly the same age. You may be a year older than me.

[Derek Blasberg]

I mean, you're on fire today. You're really. Now I understand why it's so hard to book people on this show, Lauren. Geez Louise.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, this is so funny. But I do. I never went when it was at the New York Public Library.

[Derek Blasberg]

I don't think I remember. One year I went, and they sort of. There was an A list and a B list. I was obviously on the B list. And there was a dinner downstairs at the New York Public Library, and Lindsay Lohan arrived. She was obviously late, and she brought a friend, and she pulled up a chair between her and Anna Wintour and Karl Bagerfeld, which was awesome.

[Lauren Sherman]

You know, I was essentially in that seat last night. I was seated.

[Derek Blasberg]

Who pulled you up?

[Lauren Sherman]

No, I pulled myself up. I was seated with. I got to sit next to Louisa Jacobson, who I'm sure you know, who is awesome, and was really lovely, and Daniella Kalmire. And then. But I was mostly at the Fear of God table with Bastion and Jerry Lorenzo and Ava Duven.

[Derek Blasberg]

Ava Duvernay. Yes.

[Lauren Sherman]

Well, Duvernay.

[Derek Blasberg]

Another person who's not going to be doing fashion people.

[Lauren Sherman]

She. I told her she always does so well on the red carpet. But when I turned around, my seat was wedged between Anna and Donatella Versace. And then on the. To the right of me, I see Amanda Silverman, and I'm like, why is Amanda Silverman sitted, seated, like, in the middle? First of all, why is she here? Second of all, I don't think Sarah Moonves needs an escort to the CFDA Awards. But I look, and Mark Ronson is to her left. And then I look to my right, and it's Rihanna and asap.

[Derek Blasberg]

That's a good. See, that's.

[Lauren Sherman]

It was amazing. Also, Donatella texting people. I couldn't see what she was saying, but it was. It was good.

[Derek Blasberg]

It was a really fun scene. When you see Amanda Silverman show up, that's. That's a good sign. That means there's someone good coming.

[Lauren Sherman]

I only met her in person. After years of phone and text correspondence at Sarah's W Magazine party during Fashion Week. She is a living legend, and it was fun to be at that table. Also because Rihanna and A$AP Rocky are the cutest couple alive. And also extremely in love. Like, she was recording his speech. And he's just so adorable.

[Derek Blasberg]

What was his song? He had a great line. Something and I'll stay pretty. What was it?

[Lauren Sherman]

I think I wrote. I wrote down, like, two things. Let's look. His sign off was, oh, he says, yes, I agree. I'm an icon.

[Derek Blasberg]

And then his sign off was like, stay happy and I'll stay pretty.

[Lauren Sherman]

Something.

[Derek Blasberg]

He's so charismatic. He's so charismatic.

[Lauren Sherman]

What was your night like? What were the highlights for you? We don't have to go through every single award, I don't think. But let's. Let's talk about the big moments of the evening.

[Derek Blasberg]

I was sitting on the side of the. Not an auditorium, not a planetarium. What do we call the. We were under the whale. What's that? The room?

[Lauren Sherman]

I don't know. It's under the big blue whale.

[Derek Blasberg]

We'll set the scene. We're at the American Museum of Natural History on New York, Central Park West. It was a chilly evening. Got dark earlier than we planned due to daylight savings time, and there was a little bit of rain in the air. I was sitting with Sarah Moonvest. I guess I was fulfilling the role of Amanda Silverman. And also at our table was Mary Kate and Ashley Olsen. I was at a winner's table, baby. They won the award for the best accessory designer of the year. And Sarah Moonvest, of course, won the Eugenia Shepherd Media Award. And I was sitting next to. Our tables were. Were near Ralph Lauren's table. Oh, nice. When everyone. That was sort of a. An emotional and. And grand moment for a living legend. A king in New York, a king in this business. And so it was. It was awesome to see. To see him in the flesh.

[Lauren Sherman]

It was a nice moment.

[Derek Blasberg]

It.

[Lauren Sherman]

Ralph won best womenswear Designer of the year. It felt like a sort of career cap off. But also, that brand is so.

[Derek Blasberg]

Career cap off. What does that mean?

[Lauren Sherman]

Never. But the brand. You're really painting me as an awful person. The brand is really in the zeitgeist right now. So it was just. It was. It was a sweet moment. And Naomi, let's flesh that out.

[Derek Blasberg]

Why do we think that's in the. Obviously, Jonathan's debut at Dior Men was a bit. Was twisted. Preppy. Obviously. We've Seen so many twisted preps, but do we think we are nostalgic for 80s? Do you think the. The designers, the Jonathan, but also the Michael writers grew up idolizing prep, and they are now interpreting their own version of childhood nostalgia into their collections. I love it. I'm happy to have it. All of it.

[Lauren Sherman]

All of it.

[Derek Blasberg]

And I also a hoarder. I have my twisted. Like, I have the original version of this stuff.

[Lauren Sherman]

So I did a piece on the sort of attempt to scale J Press in the US that the Onward, the Japanese holding company that owns them is working on right now. And yes, I think it's definitely a nostalgia thing. I think everyone who's coming into power right now is in their early to mid-40s, and they're thinking about 1980s. We're all thinking about the 1980s because of the political situation and this sort of swing back to wanting things to be simpler, even though they certainly weren't. I think it's all connected. And Ralph Lauren also, the business has done super well in the last 10 years with Patrice Louvet is the CEO. He's a really good brand manager. He figured out how to harness the greatness of Ralph and make it feel modern. And it was interesting at the shows. Like, even at Prada, they did a little emblem on some stuff. And at the end of Loewe, Jack and Lazaro, I think they were wearing polo shirts, or one of them was.

[Derek Blasberg]

They've worn those polo shirts for a long time.

[Lauren Sherman]

But it felt like it was all kind of coming to a point. And so Ralph getting the award this year did feel very, very special. The womenswear award.

[Derek Blasberg]

I also love a Ralph Lauren show.

[Lauren Sherman]

Sure. Yes, they're great.

[Derek Blasberg]

They're so cinematic. They're gorgeous. They're budget. The whole family stands up at the end. It's what fashion shows. When I grew up in St. Louis, Missouri, with my face pressed against the glass, looking on this industry with such fondness, that's what I thought a fashion show should be like, for sure.

[Lauren Sherman]

My favorite was the car show in his garage in Bedford, in Bedford, New York. Yeah, that was very special. So other winners were Ralph Rucci, which I have to say was a little disappointed he didn't like unleash, because he does on Instagram quite often. But I'm obviously a huge fan, and I thought it was really wonderful that they honored him and recognized him because he sort of has lived this life outside of the American fashion industry. Even though everyone with authority totally respects him and admires his work.

[Derek Blasberg]

His. His creations are Incredible. And I actually think he's an unsung American couture hero. And if you, Are you friends with any of those women who have worn those clothes, like if you go to Dita Blair's house?

[Lauren Sherman]

The only one I'm friends with is not friends with him anymore. And I don't think she would want to be named on this. Oh, you know her.

[Derek Blasberg]

There's a lot of women in New York who have relied on him to make super polished, super elegant, super refined wardrobes. And there are clothes that they have worn for 20, 30, 40 years. So it was, it was awesome to see him recognized by the CFDA because he's obviously not had a traditional career in this business.

[Lauren Sherman]

No. And, and I, I think it proves that if you do good work and you, it, it stands like there's no denying that he's good.

[Derek Blasberg]

Lauren, what does he say? What does he say on it? I. I don't follow.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, he just. You need to start following him.

[Derek Blasberg]

Derek, give me some, give me some highlights.

[Lauren Sherman]

He really loves to go after. He used to love to go after Demna, which I feel like was completely not fair or warranted. And maybe if they met in person, they would really like each other. But he, he, he loves to. You know, there are a lot of people who were in that room that didn't stand when he spoke, which was interesting.

[Derek Blasberg]

We should do a, we should do a roundup of hot takes from. I don't know how we can call. There's a couple of people of that era who seem to be loose lipped on Instagram.

[Lauren Sherman]

Maybe we should do a line sheet. What is your substance?

[Derek Blasberg]

Wow. Why am I here? I just, I've got stuff to do.

[Lauren Sherman]

No, it's. I know it. I just linked to it in, in line sheet. But I, but I didn't because I just says Derek lasberg.substack.com and another thing.

[Derek Blasberg]

And another thing, and another thing.

[Lauren Sherman]

Maybe we should do a collab of the greatest hot takes on, on Instagram.

[Derek Blasberg]

But I mean specifically to a. Like Giancarlo Giametti can be very spicy on Instagram. There is, there is a. And maybe one day Susie Mankus can do some hot takes. And maybe this is the evolution of a fashion people career is that you reach an age or a time when you're like, I got a strong WI FI connection. I'm going to go off.

[Lauren Sherman]

I think it's true. I think it's true. So other other highlights were Peter Mueller, Mulet Mueller. That's how you say it. That's how they said it on stage. That's how Naomi Campbell said it on stage.

[Derek Blasberg]

I think you need to put a question mark at the end of the title of this podcast because you don't know how to say it's not Fashion people should be fashion people.

[Lauren Sherman]

I'm always learning. I'm always learning. Derek.

[Derek Blasberg]

Peter's awesome. I love Peter. He's so soft spoken. He's so dashing. I thought his speech recognizing the unsung heroes of fashion, the junior assistants, the pattern makers, he hit the right note. And I thought Naomi's introduction was actually incredibly generous. Azzedine Alaia was of course an icon and so beloved by so many people. Those are very big shoes to fill, very big scissors to hold. And so I think for her to say all of that about Peter was of course well deserved but generous of her to say. And I'm happy for him.

[Lauren Sherman]

I agree. And Stephanie Seymour looked amazing as well. And he was sitting next to Peter at another Alaia inner circle person as a Deen Alaia. But I thought the other big thing about having honoring Peter this year was American fashion is very commercial and his commercial impact on the industry, not only at Alaia, which the business has exploded since he since he joined but also on other brands and also on there are so few designers that have that sort of influence. Jonathan, Phoebe, Filo and he is one of his generation. And I thought it was really nice. I'm such a big fan of the triumvirate of Matou Blasey Peter and Raf Simmons. And he thanked both of them. And I just thought it was a really nice it was a very elegant, humble speech and it was a nice moment for the industry. I thought last night, which was what was really nice about it and Sarah sort of ending really brought this together was it felt like a global event that was about people who are affecting the industry globally because the industry is really the center of the industry is in Europe where these big companies thrive. But the US is is one of the biggest market the biggest market for most of most of the big brands. So I thought like honoring Jerry Lorenzo. I thought Ava DuVernay's speech was really poignant. I and he got the innovator award. I thought obviously A$AP Rocky is the fashion icon, the cutest person alive and also looks amazing in clothes. And I thought he was the best dress for the night. But then having Donatella Versace honored and her speech was really wonderful. She's done so much for for gay rights and so many different organizations and has like really used her influence to help a lot of different people. But then I thought ending with Sarah winning the media award and she really is the future of fashion media was. It was just a great way to top. Top off the night was Sarah the last.

[Derek Blasberg]

Oh, and then we had Tom Brown at the end.

[Lauren Sherman]

Of course, Tom was. He won for menswear. And he began the evening because he is the. The chairman of the cfda. I think he's done a really good job. He's a really thoughtful person. Person. My favorite person to interview because he knows exactly what he wants to say and it does not ramble.

[Derek Blasberg]

You like a concise soundbite. Yes.

[Lauren Sherman]

Unlike me. So it's helpful.

[Derek Blasberg]

No, no. Will not disagree with you, Lauren. An editor is important. Always. Always.

[Lauren Sherman]

So what did you. What did you think of. Of these other folks and. And the sort of theme of the evening, if you were going to zoom.

[Derek Blasberg]

Out, Was there a theme in the evening? Do you know what the dress code was?

[Lauren Sherman]

Lauren Sherman, wear an American designer.

[Derek Blasberg]

No, it's called American black tie.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, I did that. I wore vintage Bill Blass, friend of.

[Derek Blasberg]

Wine sheet, Mel Ottenberg. I think really, you know, a tribute to Ralph. Knocked it out of the park. Oh, he looked so good in jeans. Cummerbund, tuxedo. Party on top. Maybe party on bottom.

[Lauren Sherman]

Party on bottom. Jeans are always a party. He looked so good.

[Derek Blasberg]

He looked great.

[Lauren Sherman]

He looks great.

[Derek Blasberg]

I was a row. I was wearing. And I think this is something you wanted to talk about. I don't know why you thought of me when this came up, but my pants had an elasticated waistband.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. I wanted to briefly discuss. We had a little item on Tuesday about. Actually, this might come out before the newsletter comes out, but. Oh, well, sneak preview. We have an item on Tuesday about how, you know. Do you remember when we were in college, you went to nyu, Right. So you might not have done this, but like at other colleges, people would wear pajama pants to class because they were like, I can wear pajama pants because I'm in college and no one's watching. Did people do this at nyu?

[Derek Blasberg]

I don't remember a lot of pajama pants. And I would not. I would not have wasted precious space in my mind for these sorts of people.

[Lauren Sherman]

I obviously. I obviously did not participate in this behavior, but a lot of people did. Even at Emerson College in Boston, they were wearing those.

[Derek Blasberg]

I guess there's a way to do pajamas. One of my favorite shows was Sofia Coppola when Marc Jacobs was still the designer at Louis Vuitton. Did a collection of pajamas, and they showed it at the Four Seasons Hotel on Park Avenue. Sorry, the Four Seasons restaurant on Park Avenue. And that I thought was super chic and elegant. I don't think the college coeds that you're referring to wearing pajamas to school were wearing Sofia Coppola for Louis Vuitton pajamas. But if they were, I would have approved. I would have co. Signed.

[Lauren Sherman]

That was the era of the. The Stella bag and the, the, the Stam bag, all the great Marc Jacobs bags. But so basically what's happening is, I guess Gen Z has taken that, like, pink Victoria's Secret, pink girl look, and they're wearing them in public as. As an item. And Sarah Shapiro, who works online, she went to the Gap this weekend and they had merchandise, the whole sort of store with pajama pants. And I was like, wow, that's interesting. And then you mentioned that you wore drawstring pants. So you are pro a drawstring of, like a fancier pant.

[Derek Blasberg]

Well, they're definitely. If we're talking about function and fashion. I also have a pair of elasticated pants and corduroy from Frang, so I get it. It's. It's harder to wear because you can't obviously reveal your elasticated waistband. This is, this is something that we conceal over another garment, like a sweater or a jacket. But definitely, definitely more comfortable.

[Lauren Sherman]

Certainly. I would say my rule is I don't like an elasticated waist. I can do a drawstring, but my rule is if you can wear a smooth waist, for me, that's better. But I understand. And you looked really elegant. And also, you were repping your table. Your table was really the cool kids table.

[Derek Blasberg]

I. Wow. That's the first. Nice. How long we've been in this call? 22 minutes. And I finally got a compliment. I'll take it. I will not argue with you.

[Lauren Sherman]

It was great. The only people that were missing were Jack and Lazaro.

[Derek Blasberg]

I know.

[Lauren Sherman]

You know, they're busy.

[Derek Blasberg]

I'm so happy for them. I'm so happy that that Loewe collection was so well received. I'm so happy that they have begun a new chapter. I'm so happy that Rachel Scott has taken over Parenza Schooler. This is. This feels great. This feels. This. I'm optimistic about that part of the world. The rest of the world is a disaster, but I'm excited about that.

[Lauren Sherman]

I agree. Also, just huge shout out to Ashlyn, who won the Young Designers Award, of course, huge fan of hers. And it was nice to See, I also love Colleen Allen and everyone who was up for that award is great. But mentioning Rachel from Dio Tima reminded me that she had won that a couple years ago and that Ashlyn got on stage. I thought it was a nice show. Do you have any closing thoughts on the show or.

[Derek Blasberg]

I was excited. Speaking of Colleen Allen, I was excited to see another Allen. I was excited to see Lily Allen last night. Oh yeah, she is really having a moment in the zeitgeist with this breakup album and it was a thrill to see her.

[Lauren Sherman]

She looked great. She was wearing Colleen Allen. Oh yeah, Colleen Allen.

[Derek Blasberg]

And that's what made me think of it.

[Lauren Sherman]

Showing off her bod. Wow. Great segue.

[Derek Blasberg]

This is what this is called, a segue, Lauren.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, maybe take over fashion people. So you know how the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade is basically the kickoff to the holidays? The floats, the music, the cozy vibes of it all. Well, this year Macy's is hosting another kind of parade. And this one's for the deal hunters. It's actually called the Parade of Deals and it runs through November 27th. Every single day, Macy's is dropping a brand new limited time deal. We're talking one day only savings on everything from home essentials to those splendid splurge worthy gifts. Here are a few. The Dyson Big Ball Turbine Head Canister vacuum because if you're cleaning, it might as well feel luxurious. And the Ninja BL660 blender for your smoothie and soup era. Oh, and that classic ugg fluff throw. Perfect for skipping the turkey trot and cozying up to the parade instead. Plus they've got 30 to 40% off fragrances from Marc Jacobs and Gucci. 30% off Sunday Riley and even diamond studs under 1000 dol dollars. Every day's a new surprise. Start checking the Macy's app for the daily deal like it's a little morning ritual. So don't miss out. Check out Macy's Parade of deals now through November 27th. Okay, so moving on to some other things that are happening in the news. Let me pull up my text to you, Derek. I still have to write my roundup. I might just use.

[Derek Blasberg]

I might round up from last night.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, I. It's been.

[Derek Blasberg]

Isn't this it?

[Lauren Sherman]

This is. This is it sort. So. So one thing. I mean, so you are here for this. But I. I did not see you at lacma. But I know you were there because someone was like Derek Blasmer, blah blah blah blah blah. And I left after cocktails. I had a 40th birthday dinner. Shout out to my good friend Hannah Fidel, who turned 40 and had a fabulous dinner at her home. And then we. We watched the Dodgers, who I really don't care about, but was happy for everyone involved, but. So you were at lacma.

[Derek Blasberg]

I would just. I want to hop in here and just say, I also don't care about the Dodgers. But I will say in the room at the LACMA gala, there was such a wave of excitement and there were bursts of applause from the table, and obviously I was like, what have I missed? Yeah, it was all about the Dodgers when they tied the game. Then they came back and they won the game. And all of my friends in LA remind me that there is. Although LA looks beautiful and it's sunny and you can hike all the time, there is a sense of gloom and doom in that town after the fires, after the writer strike, after Covid, with what's going on politically. And so it was so great for so many people to be so. To have something of pure joy. It felt like a bipartisan excitement that the Dodgers won that game. But speaking of la, in the fall, the LA now has a sort of awards season without awards. There was the Academy Gala. There is vacma. There is Baby to Baby. There was Vogue World. I am getting. I have so many frequent flyer miles in the next couple weeks.

[Lauren Sherman]

Are you attend. Did you attend all of them?

[Derek Blasberg]

I did not go to the Academy Gala because that was the weekend after Paris Fashion Week, and I wanted to remind my kids that I exist.

[Lauren Sherman]

You exist. Yes, I understand.

[Derek Blasberg]

But I have. I did go to Vogue World, which I thought was incredible.

[Lauren Sherman]

I ran into Lisa Love at the LACMA gala. Coolest person alive. I just love her Vogue World.

[Derek Blasberg]

To be on that lot was. Was surreal and it was awesome. I don't. I know where the next one is. Have they announced it? I'm not going to get in trouble.

[Lauren Sherman]

Wait, no. I heard Milan or New York, I don't know which, but Milan makes sense because they're getting. Getting ready for Olympics as well.

[Derek Blasberg]

The Olympics will be over by then. Lauren. The Olympics are in February.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, are they?

[Derek Blasberg]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, man. This February?

[Derek Blasberg]

Yes.

[Lauren Sherman]

They're after we get there, though, right? They're before we get there, though, right?

[Derek Blasberg]

Yes.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, man. Okay. I gotta book my Airbnb. I'm booking my Airbnb right now.

[Derek Blasberg]

You stay in an Airbnb in Milan?

[Lauren Sherman]

Certainly. But yes, that is the rumor. I heard. You don't have to comment.

[Derek Blasberg]

I won't comment.

[Lauren Sherman]

So. So the final one though. So you've done all these events. The final one is Baby to Baby. You are going back for it.

[Derek Blasberg]

I'm going back for that. One of the co founders is Kelly Sawyer, who's a good friend of mine, and she. And Nora Weinstein, who's awesome as well. Built from scratch this incredible organization that started by distributing necessities to local families in LA and is now an international powerhouse.

[Lauren Sherman]

She's pretty great.

[Derek Blasberg]

Which one? They're both great.

[Lauren Sherman]

I don't know, Nora, but. But Kelly. I would. I was at dinner with Kelly the other night and she was like, I want to invite you to Baby. To Baby. I know you really want to come. And I was like, I want to.

[Derek Blasberg]

I want to come.

[Lauren Sherman]

I've always wanted to go.

[Derek Blasberg]

Are you snarky about Baby To Baby?

[Lauren Sherman]

I made a couple funny jokes about it. Like, I want to go to be with all the blonde women. But. But in. In. In the goodness of my heart. But she was like, I know you really want to go. I want to invite you. It was so. So she's. I don't even want to say. It's kind. It was so lovely.

[Derek Blasberg]

It's interesting to see where the line is with you, Lauren Sherman. You will not reveal how much you pay for your Milan Fashion Week. Airbnb yet. Insulting a children's charity is fair game. Wow.

[Lauren Sherman]

I just have it playing. I hugely respect it. I'm really into Kelly and her whole group of friends because they've all done, like very. Have incredible businesses and are nice and fun and all that stuff. I cannot go.

[Derek Blasberg]

Raises an incredible amount of.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, it's crazy. I volunteer for Baby. For Baby. I dropped diapers off. It's. It's a very important organization and also a really fun group of people. And apparently they have great food. But unfortunately, I'm still going to be in New York, so I'm not going to be there. But you'll have to send a report.

[Derek Blasberg]

And then I come back. I have a board meeting here in New York and then I actually go back to LA after Baby two. Baby for the Dior. For Jonathan Anderson's Dior store opening.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, my God. It's just too much. So are you. Are you on a lot of boards or just one? You don't have to reveal it. I don't know.

[Derek Blasberg]

I'm on a couple boards. But that's not what we're here to talk about.

[Lauren Sherman]

You know, that is. I have to say, this is the goal. You gotta start getting on boards when you're young, like Derek, and then by the time you're in your like 60s, 70s, you're on four boards. You make, oh, set a lot of money off of these boards and you ha. You get to pop in. You don't even have to tell them what to do. It's not your responsibility. You just go and you observe. It's a goal.

[Derek Blasberg]

The way you just described being on a board is not a quality board member. You've just described someone who is lazy and there for cash. Also, by the way, most boards don't pay incredibly well and furthermore, you get.

[Lauren Sherman]

Equity if they don't pay well.

[Derek Blasberg]

A good board member is someone who's out in the world learning and experiencing things. You just described like a lazy, like a late in life taker.

[Lauren Sherman]

You, it could be both. You could be all those things and a late in life taker. I just think it's a very good strategy. And also, so you are out in the world and I bet you also get equity if it's a startup and then if it does well, that's great.

[Derek Blasberg]

Even if you look at these few weeks, it's obviously an incredible effort to fly to and from New York several weeks in a row. And I honestly wish I could buy art with frequent flyer miles or pay my kids tuition with frequent flyer miles. I've got so many frequent flyer miles at the moment. But I think if you want to stay relevant and you want to keep a pool, a finger, I think if you want to stay relevant and you want to keep your toe in all these pools, you have to, you have to show up. And furthermore, I, you know, I, I think you know this, Lauren. I grew up in St. Louis, Missouri. I had no experience or access to these worlds and I was so optimistic. And so I dreamed of moving to New York and being a part of this world. And so I'm so happy to be. I'm not one of those people who complain about having to go to something or do something. I'm a natural extrovert and I'm really happy to be here and I'm super grateful. So I will not. I may look like I've got bags under my eyes, but I'm not going to complain about them.

[Lauren Sherman]

Well, I also think that's why your sub stack is compelling.

[Derek Blasberg]

Oh, wow. Okay. Ran the plane, Lauren, let's move the substack. There we go.

[Lauren Sherman]

My favorite are the ones where you're like in your world. Marc Guiducci is at your house for the weekend and there's a photo. You're with your friends, you're talking about all the fun things that you've done. I think it's interesting. You've built an amazing career and like you said, you're involved. We were just talking about Gagosian and openings and you've been working there for years. You have, you've done a lot of different things and really lived your life and also made. You're the perfect example of like your job doesn't feel like work or doesn't seem like work, but you're actually working your butt off. And I, and I think it's interesting and it's very well reflected in the substack, which if, you know, I enjoy reading as an observer of all this stuff, but also if, if I was like a 20 year old, it would be so fun to see what this guy who knows so many people and works with so many people gets to experience every day.

[Derek Blasberg]

That's a good. You know who you just quoted? Well, that you misquoted that you was Mark Twain, a fellow Missourian.

[Lauren Sherman]

Wow.

[Derek Blasberg]

If you love what you do, you never have to work a bay in your life.

[Lauren Sherman]

Wow. I did not know he was the. He was the one to do that. So what?

[Derek Blasberg]

All good quotes come from Mark Twain. Know what my other favorite Mark Twain quote is?

[Lauren Sherman]

Tell me.

[Derek Blasberg]

Quitting smoking is the easiest thing to do. I've done it a hundred times. It's good.

[Lauren Sherman]

That's good. Have you ever smoked a cigarette, Derek?

[Derek Blasberg]

Me? Yes. Oh my God.

[Lauren Sherman]

I really. I don't think I have maybe tried a little puff.

[Derek Blasberg]

Wow.

[Lauren Sherman]

It's not for me.

[Derek Blasberg]

While we're talking about the crater economy though, I will say one thing about substack is that there are days when I'm so excited to have a substack and that I, you know, I vacillated for a long time whether or not I should do a sub stack. And there are some days when I love that I am flexing my little literary muscle and I'm so happy that it goes straight into the inbox of so many friends and colleagues and people I work with. And then there are days when I'm reminded that the creator economy is a bottomless pit and you never feel like you're caught up and it's a giant hamster wheel. So there. It's a, it's a double edged sword. But I'm happy I launched it and it's been great to get to get feedback and I'm always in the comments. Also, subject feels a little less hostile than other social media platforms. I don't know if this is a cycle and that it ends up. Everything ends up toxic just in life.

[Lauren Sherman]

And in general, it's toxic in a very weird way that you will not be subject to because you're not toxic. But I think there is, there is a, there's a mild underneath brewing. But I think your, your little corner of. It's kind of like Twitter. Your little corner of substack will keep, keep positive because you are a positive person.

[Derek Blasberg]

I'm happy to hear that and I would like to hear that. But I've always been positive person and people on Twitter used to tell me to fuck off and die and people on Instagram tell me to fuck off and die. So I don't know if I don't know, I'm going to push back on your argument that says social media gives out.

[Lauren Sherman]

Let's see, let me know what someone on subject says. Off and die. I think the good thing about substack is the people who are on it and reading it, commenting are really engaged. They're not trolls. The trolls have not come for substack yet, that's for sure.

[Derek Blasberg]

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[Lauren Sherman]

Speaking of your wild and varied career, did you ever work at Team Vogue? Were you. Did you contribute to Teen Vogue? I know you worked at Vogue, but did you?

[Derek Blasberg]

I did. Lauren. I've been around for so long. I have written for every single publication. Yes, that's true. Including Teen Vogue when Amy Astley was the editor of Team Vogue. I remember I covered a sweet 16 Valentine's Day party.

[Lauren Sherman]

Amazing. Whose was it? Do you know? Do you remember?

[Derek Blasberg]

I remember Larry Fink took the pictures. I remember it was shot on November 1, the day after Halloween. And I had gone out the night before. Obviously.

[Lauren Sherman]

Obviously.

[Derek Blasberg]

I stayed at Bungalow 8. I'm really dating myself until the wee hours of the morning. And I showed up at a sweet 16 thing. It was the day. Obviously, it was a Valentine's Day party that was shot in November, so it would be in the February issue.

[Lauren Sherman]

Amazing.

[Derek Blasberg]

Oh, my God, I'm having total PTSD flashbacks. I totally forgot about that. I showed up hungover with eyeliner still in my eyes for my costume at a sweet 16 Valentine themed party. But yes. Oh, you're the. What you're getting to is that team to Vogue announced it was ceasing publication yesterday and being pulled into Vogue. It looked Like, Vogue business was also being folded into vogue.com they're doing a lot of reorgs over there.

[Lauren Sherman]

I've got some clarification on this. So Vogue business is also being folded in. There were no layoffs at Vogue business, and that's a pretty robust team. Teen Vogue, there were six layoffs, including the editor in chief, Versha. I assume that there really weren't that many people on the team anyway. I think she did a really a admirable job. I think the challenge with that, that business is a. I think we're going to see this. A lot of Conde now looking at its portfolio and thinking, what are the strong brands? Let's focus on those strong brands. And also, you know, why in the world of the Internet, why can't there just be teen coverage on Vogue? Why can't there just be business coverage on Vogue? Vogue is the center of the fashion world. They should have everything on there. And so I think it just reflects the times and also the way teen culture has changed. And it'll be interesting to see. Willa Bennett is. She runs Cosmo, but she also runs 17. And it's like, do either of those brands actually need to exist when you have TikTok videos, that sort of thing. But, you know, teen Vogue at 17 obviously was hugely impactful over the years, but Teen Vogue, it was more impactful over a short amount of time. And I loved it. Like, I thought it was. I wanted to work there for sure. I remember going into Interview when Jane Keltner left for the fashion news editor job and me telling them how much I was making as a freelancer, and they were like, you need to leave. Leave now.

[Derek Blasberg]

Because you were making so much.

[Lauren Sherman]

I was making double what they wanted to pay for the job.

[Derek Blasberg]

Right.

[Lauren Sherman]

Which, like, look, this is the life. This is the life, the world we live in. And I was also. I was just too senior. I was probably like, it's probably. I don't know, 10 years ago, I was already too senior for a job like that. But it was a special I. They did the fashion. Remember Gloria Baum, like, the fashion. She was so good.

[Derek Blasberg]

When Taylor Tomasi was the fashion director of Teen Vogue, we lived together. We lived together in Williamsburg, Brooklyn.

[Lauren Sherman]

That's so cool. That's really fun. And what was your feeling about it as someone who. You were at nyu probably when it launched and then you got into magazines.

[Derek Blasberg]

Lauren, we're gonna bounce back here. When I live in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, I was a party reporter for style.com also.

[Lauren Sherman]

RIP RIP Blasbog.

[Derek Blasberg]

Last blog. Are you okay today?

[Lauren Sherman]

I'm just really tired. Blaz vlog. I still think you should have named your substack Blazbug.

[Derek Blasberg]

I don't love that. But when I would come home from these events, I would write. I would write when I got home.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, I almost did that last night. It was like, I'm gonna go to sleep. But now I'm screwed. It's 11:17. I still haven't finished filing. It's not good. It's not good. But what was your memories of that era and fashion was.

[Derek Blasberg]

Was great. And it was, you know, it had a smaller trim size. You could throw it on the top of the pile. That was. The life of Teen Vogue was so dynamic. You know, it started as a little kid sister publication. It built its own identity in 2016. In 2020, it had a lot of political reporting. I think that is what a lot of the kerfuffles around its closure are now, is that I think people will be disappointed if there's not someone speaking truth to power from a young female perspective in this country at this time. And for sure, that's something that we should think about.

[Lauren Sherman]

I agree. I agree. And the one note little insider info is I talked to some people who work at Vogue and said that Chloe Moll, who's the new head of editorial content at American Vogue, did a really great job talking to the team about it yesterday. And she's a great and one one person. She's a great leader. And I think, you know, a lot of her job in the next year is going to be refining, if you want to call it that, or streamlining the Vogue business and the editorial team and making sure it's running in an efficient way. And that's going to be. There's going to be a lot of hard things that happen, and this may be one of the hardest. But I heard she did a good job with it. And I also think this is a time for her to be able to say, okay, that is under my purview now. How do we cover this space in a way that makes sense for Vogue and makes sense for the audience and all of that?

[Derek Blasberg]

So I'm not surprised to hear that. I think Chloe is awesome. I think she's great. She's super well respected. I think the team likes her. Man, I am so excited for her. Give her all the Vogues because take it. Go, girl. Take it, Chloe.

[Lauren Sherman]

Go girl. Go girl. And also to anyone listening, if you have Teen Vogue memories or favorite spreads and you want to Send me a link. Maybe I'll do a little roundup in line sheet later this week. But it was. I loved it for the fashion. I loved it for the A Room of My Own. One of my favorite features ever. Great back page. There were so many cool people who came through that. So many people interned there. There's so many designers and things. And it was. It was a great time to be a part of fashion media for sure.

[Derek Blasberg]

And there was also incredible power in treating that demographic with the. They. They had real photographers shooting fashion stories. They had a really great run rate of reality where they would like pluck Nicola Castier's Balenciaga show and show, like how to do this for high school. You know, they definitely legitimized that era's girl, which is now grown into a true fashion consumer.

[Lauren Sherman]

So true. I will have more reporting on. On sort of the. The dark side of the Conde layoffs.

[Derek Blasberg]

Oh, you're gonna do some Conde Nasty.

[Lauren Sherman]

A little bit, Lauren. I had some on Monday and we pulled it because there was other things going on. But now I will be updating again if you. I. The Conde Nast communications team will have heard from me by the time this publishes. So it's fine. But Derek, anything else? This was so fun. I would love to have you back. I know you have some openings coming up and then you're going to. Baby, baby. And then what else do you have done? And you have Jonathan's thing in Los Angeles. It's a lot, man. I know. And it's worth it.

[Derek Blasberg]

The Gossian's on fire. We have Richard Prince opening on Thursday night.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, I'm gonna go.

[Derek Blasberg]

Are you. Are you gonna be in New York?

[Lauren Sherman]

Well, is the opening. Is it by invitation only or could I.

[Derek Blasberg]

No, it's an electric opening. It's an opening for even me.

[Lauren Sherman]

And what time does it.

[Derek Blasberg]

Critics like yourself.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, yeah. Well, I won't be banned from the Gagosian.

[Derek Blasberg]

It's from six. Not yet. We'll see. We'll see how the rest of this. How many more minutes we got in this? From 6 to 8. And then next week, Jeff Koons returned to the gallery, which has been incredible to have. Exciting to have him back. And he has an opening next Thursday.

[Lauren Sherman]

I always love seeing him at Stella McCartney. It's so cool.

[Derek Blasberg]

Also, I'm sure you know this because you just had Christina o' Neill on. The new Sotheby's building is opening. Sotheby's took over the old Whitney space, which is the Brewer building on the corner of Madison and 75th Street, America's best example of brutalist architecture. One of my favorite buildings in New York that opens this month. There's a lot. There's a lot going down, a lot going on.

[Lauren Sherman]

One quick question about the Richard Prince thing. I actually have a dinner that night and I probably won't be able to stop by, but if I go on Saturday, is there going to be a line?

[Derek Blasberg]

How long are you here?

[Lauren Sherman]

I'm here until Sunday morning. We. The whole fam came.

[Derek Blasberg]

Oh, wow.

[Lauren Sherman]

So we did a week in New York.

[Derek Blasberg]

Where do you stay when you come here?

[Lauren Sherman]

I'm staying at a friend's this time.

[Derek Blasberg]

Do you want to tell me which friend? So I can send.

[Lauren Sherman]

I can tell you offline.

[Derek Blasberg]

Oh, that's lovely. That's great. And it's been a. It's. I think it's going to be a beautiful week in New York.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, I try to stay. If we're here for. In the. As with, there's no Airbnb's in New York, but if I'm here for longer than a few days, I try to stay.

[Derek Blasberg]

What coverage are you giving? The Lauder Auction.

[Lauren Sherman]

I think you'll be able to find that in Wall Power and we will see.

[Derek Blasberg]

Oh, by Marion Maker, of course.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes.

[Derek Blasberg]

Or.

[Lauren Sherman]

Or Julie Brenner Davich. She. She will be into it, but I'm sure quite a bit. I think that Marian has already written about.

[Derek Blasberg]

That's a gray area between Puck because of course, Hundred Lauder is a legend in the beauty business.

[Lauren Sherman]

It's gonna be fun.

[Derek Blasberg]

Your beauty girl Rachel is going to be all over this.

[Lauren Sherman]

Totally.

[Derek Blasberg]

And he had incredible pieces. And there's a great Clint that's going to be for sale.

[Lauren Sherman]

Totally. But really back to this Richard princess. Will there be a line on Saturday or will it be.

[Derek Blasberg]

If there is a line, can I text? I will get you. Like, do not. Don't. Quit finding excuses not to come.

[Lauren Sherman]

No, I'm gonna. I wish I could. Come on. Maybe Alex, my friend Alex who you know, and I will stop by. It's right at 6, but I think it could ruin me getting to the Upper east side by 6. 45.

[Derek Blasberg]

And where are you having dinner?

[Lauren Sherman]

Lavo door.

[Derek Blasberg]

Oh, nice.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. So let's do every single thing that you need to know about Derek. First of all, the substack and it's called. And another thing, it should be called Blaz Blog, but we can talk about that offline. Also, Derek is. Runs the Gagosian magazine or is.

[Derek Blasberg]

I am the executive editor. There's a team that runs executive editor.

[Lauren Sherman]

Of the Gagosian magazine. Check out this is.

[Derek Blasberg]

This is. This is gross. We don't need to. We don't need to go through all my.

[Lauren Sherman]

So good. Also, just follow Derek on But. But really do subscribe to his substack. Emily Sunberg also likes it. If she didn't, she'd be like, I.

[Derek Blasberg]

Don'T like it is the one that convinced me to do this. I think it's the one that. That led me down this substack road.

[Lauren Sherman]

Look, all people in this world want is new information. And that is what you offer. And that's why you're valuable, because you're constantly sharing with people. And I think that's super nice. And I. I'm excited for your report from baby to baby. I hope that everyone who goes has a great time. And I am. I have to be there next year. I'll be really sad if I miss it.

[Derek Blasberg]

Yes, I agree. I also think that I would hope that in. In the coverage that I put on Substack or the other places that I write or contribute, I'm very enthusiastic. I call myself a cheerleader more than a critic, so I'm very.

[Lauren Sherman]

You're enthusiastic, but it also doesn't. It's pretty honest. Like, I know that you. You think other things that you wouldn't say, but the things you do say, I know you believe. True that that feels real. Like, even if you're hot, you're. You're not going to say a mean thing. You are also not gonna say something that you don't believe, which is all anyone can ask is to have the truth.

[Derek Blasberg]

I'm also going to St. Louis in two weeks. Wes Gordon and I are doing a Q and A at Washington University. Would you like to come to that? Lauren Sherman.

[Lauren Sherman]

I would love to come to that, but I also am worried my child is gonna stop recognizing me. So I'm gonna try to stay at home. I might come to New York the first week in December. We'll see. I am grateful for your time and I hope you will come back in the new year. And we can talk maybe during one of the Fashion weeks, though, so we can talk maybe after Milan or something.

[Derek Blasberg]

Lauren Sherman, great to see you. Have a great day.

[Lauren Sherman]

Fashion People is a presentation of Odyssey in partnership with Puck. This show was produced and edited by Molly Nugent. Special thanks to our executive producers, Puck co founder John Kyle Kelly, executive editor Ben Landy, and director of editorial operations, Gabby Grossman. An additional thanks to the team at Odyssey. JD Crowley, Jenna Weiss Berman and Bob Tabador.