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It's very interesting. It's Canadian. It's fun. Enjoy. And I will be back on Friday with a report from the shows. Let's get going with Steph. Steph Yatka, welcome back to Fashion people. Yay.
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Thank you so much for having me here in Milan. I'm full of pasta and I'm sweating so much.
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Are you still in Milan? Are you staying for Tom and Armani?
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I am. I'm leaving in a couple of hours, so I'll get to Paris tonight just in time to watch the France Iraq World cup game, which I will be tuning into. I'm excited for what's gonna come in Paris, but Milan and Piti uomall have been great.
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Okay, so let's. Let's start with Piti. How was it? How has Simone Rocha really put men at the center since it is a men's trade show? But I know you're a big Simone fan. How. How was. Do you go to Petit every season or had you. Had you taken off?
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This was my third PT ever, and I've gone very intermittently. I was there when Telfar did it. I was there when Eli Russell, Lynettes and Martine Rose did it. Oh, cool. And then I came for Kane and Omia and Simone. So I'm very choosy. But it was fantastic to be back because, you know, the world can change so much. And the peacocks of Pitti Uomo just, they're still there. They still got the three piece linen suit and the fedora on. And there's something very comforting in that reality.
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Is Scott. What is that guy's name? Scott Shomit. The Sartoilist?
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Yes.
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Is he still out there taking photos?
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Yeah, taking pictures. It is. I'm working on my newsletter coming soon to the ID substack about men's. And it is really like the cure for the male loneliness epidemic is like, go to PT Womo, bro, down with your guys about the new lightweight summer fabrics or whatever. Like, it's kind of a beautiful thing. It feels like you're going to Comic
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Con for suits, you know, that's a great take. I also feel like Dan, my husband, is going to some Blackbird spy plane party on Wednesday that I assume you will also be at. I won't be. But he's. I was like, this is what is a New Balance convention.
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I love. I love a men's fashion hangout because I do too. I agree it carries a certain, like, levity, joyfulness, silliness that you kind of don't always get at a women's fashion hangout. So I'm very grateful to be back out here with the guys.
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It's true. I also really enjoy it. The last time I went to Pitti Uomo showing my age, I believe Band of Outsiders was. And Rodarte. Did they show the same season? I think so. It was really amazing. Someday again. I remember loving it. The food was really good. And yeah, the men's shows are great. Like, it's much more relaxed, there's more time. But before we get into Milan and the sparseness of that schedule and what that may mean, what were your takeaways from Pitti? Did you feel like the headliners really, I mean, they really took advantage of
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the stage for sure. And I think what's so great about the K? Nunomia show and Simone show is, you know, you can witness designers take that guest spot at PT and really sort of bowed to the traditions of Florentine tailoring, of Italian tailoring, of Italian fashion and heritage in general. And I thought what was so great about the mix this time around was that like K Nomia did K Nodomia like, it was punk. There were Mohawks, there were safety pins and buttons and vans. And it felt like a really exciting collection from him for bed. And that was happily in concert with some ideas that you might see inside the farewells. But, you know, really felt like its own thing. And a new voice in the chorus of menswear. And I would say the same about Simone. Like, you know, she spoke about kind of trying to figure out new tailoring shapes and emphasize the shapes that she's already known for. But then the collection, like, exploded outwards in so many other directions, from leather aprons to pinafores to sequin blouses to painter smocks. And I thought it felt like a really strong showing from Simone, not just in menswear, but in general. Like, the collection had such a diversity of fabrication and silhouette and ideas, and that's something that I hope kind of filters into her womenswear continues there. That, like, the show felt like it had so many peaks and valleys and, you know, objects of interest. Like, just whether it was the cornflowers that some of the guys were carrying or certain suits were, like, almost completely backless and they had great shoes or they had their ties tucked into their sweater vests. Like, I thought it's definitely a romantic vision for guys, but I think it felt really strong. And, you know, I was catching up with Bruce Pask, menswear goat, you know, like the OG Menswear guy.
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Dorf Goodman, men's fashion director or something of that sort. Exactly.
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And he was really excited about the Simone show, which is great that it's, like, resonating with retailers. You know, I think at Men's Fashion Week, you're closer to the retailers than at Women's Fashion Week, for sure. And there's a real sense of the customer. Like, it has to work for the customer. It's not all fantasy, whatever that can happen at Women's.
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Totally. And that's why Prada was so dynamite. I can't wait to talk about it with you, because I got. I mean, there was a lot. But. Okay, so I had never been to Milan Men's before and decided to go because I had a trip to London and was like, you know what? I might as well. And it was amazing because I did, like, I think, seven meetings on Friday, and it was just. It was kind of like being there not for Fashion Week. I only went to four shows. I went to Ralph. I went to Paul Smith, and what was the other. Oh, set you on Saturday and then Prada on Sunday, and that was it. I'm sad. I wanted to stay for Tom and Armani, but I have a child and had some child.
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You have some priorities.
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Yeah, my husband was going to Cannes Lions. Like, this is the thing about being in Europe. There's just all the time that you actually want to go to and it's not that hard to get to them, but it was. I mean, it was touch and go. Driving through Fetele Music to my apartment last night.
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Yeah.
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I was like, am I gonna get home to my child?
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I don't envy that. Yeah.
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Anyway, I always find. I always say this about Milan Women's, that I feel like it. Create. It, like, really tells the story of the fashion industry because you have. It's the center of the industry of, like, actual making clothes. All the brands that are there are very commercial. You have a mix of the big groups, and then you also have the independents. It was hard, a little harder to tell that story with men's because it was so sparse, but I still think it was. It happened. I'm curious to know your take on the season, and do you think it's negative or do you think it's, like, a crisis that so few brands are showing there?
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I think for Milan men's to continue to have a really powerful future, some of these big dogs have to come back. You can see what happened to London Fashion Week, and, you know, it's great. Today it was just announced that McQueen is going to show in London. Nobody loves London Fashion Week more than me. I think, like, Laura Weir is doing incredible job kind of restrategizing how Fashion Week works and the brands that are on show there. And I think Milan probably needs that same touch because without. I mean, there's so many brand. Gucci, Versace, Bottega. I mean, even Diesel, Ferragamo. Like, we could talk about. We could make a list of brands that are based in Italy that haven't shown in Milan. It would take the rest of this podcast episode, but without that, it's. It's really easy for people to just come on Sunday for Prada and leave on Monday after Armani. And I think that's a real risk to all of the other independent talents and also, like, the amazing tailoring brands and, like, heritage brands that don't do a show here. Like, people will just stop coming. You know, it's hot, it's expensive, it's summertime. We're all trying to close a September issue. And so, you know, my hope is that some more of these big dogs kind of come back home to Milan. I think Gucci has said that they're planning to do standalone men's, which is great. Oh, great. But, you know, I think the vibe here is still. Is very fun. The shows are very exciting. Like, I think despite the fact that, you know, menswear can be so much about tailoring and like seriousness. I think there's a real levity in a lot of the collections. Like Ralph, like Prada, like things feel very snappy and exciting, trendy, not so like tasteful. Like tastefulness is kind of like over for men, which I'm very glad about.
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My big takeaway when I walked into Ralph Lauren was like, it's not the end of navy, obviously, but like the world has been dominated by people, by men wearing navy for the last 20 years. And obviously everyone at Ralph Lauren was dressed in navy. But then on the Runway it was a lot of black and white and really, really sharp. And yeah, like look, I think it's cute the way they mix all that stuff together. And I think it's great that they're putting John, the longtime menswear designer, more front and center and letting him talk to press more and all that stuff he always did behind the scenes. But like really out there. And it's just a masterclass. It's the only brand in the world that can sell convincingly across so many price points and have so much integrity. It's really amazing. But I thought like, wow, it really is moving in this direction of that sort of hate to use this word, but like quiet luxury, soft colors thing that is so dominant in men, in men's fashion and especially in Milan and Italian men's fashion, it doesn't feel right anymore. And I thought at Ralph that was very clear. And then at Prada, snappy is a great word. It was just like boom, boom, boom it was.
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I mean, I did my hair in two little braids today. Very influenced by Julia Nobis.
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I, who had them, was on my flight back to Paris. I was with all, like, a bunch of all the models. Male models. Yeah. Once I was on an early flight with a bunch of models, and I had an aisle seat, and one of them said to me, would you mind switching? She was in, like, the. I don't even know if she was in the. I think she was on the. It wasn't an aisle. I don't think she was in a center seat. She was a window. And I was like, why? And she said, oh, I just don't want to sit at the window. And I was like, no,
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don't want to sit at the window. It was hilarious. I was like, this is what happens when you're 17. But I was like, good for you. Anyway, I thought it was just like when we got the invites, that it was like a glow stick, which I guess are more similar to the kind of glow sticks that are at K pop concerts, which obviously I would not know. It just reminded me of a glow stick. I thought, oh, like Ravi, whatever. But it did. It felt like, to me, the ideal of what you want to look like when you're young, but maybe couldn't get your shit together to do so when you were. And now you can afford Prada and you can wear those skinny white jeans. I loved it. I thought it was. The shoes were amazing. Every single little inch was every little item I wanted. I thought it was fabulous.
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It was fabulous. I loved how even in something that is so simple and so streamlined, they were still doing all of these interesting styling touches. Like, one pair of pants had a bunch of suspenders as the belt, and then a bunch of guys had a ton of silk scarves knotted around their waist almost to mimic the way boxers would come out of the pants. But it was silk scarves. And, like, one of the early looks is this gray kind of like, floppy white T shirt that's, like, hastily tucked into jeans with, like, the fanny pack belt. Like, there was still so much personality and so much fun happening in something that was so, like, really, like, streamlined to the point. I mean, I think every single look was that pant silhouette. Like, it was just that one pant 50 times.
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Yeah. And you. And you forget how. I mean, it's. We don't forget, and you definitely don't forget. But, like, it's easy to forget how important Raph was to people in the 90s and the early 2000s.
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For sure. And it's invigorating to feel that his point of view really playing into the men's discourse. You know, I think like, there's whole colors like that sort of. I guess it's like a cyan blue that I so associate with Raph and is like such a recurring color in some of his later collections, as well as like that sun yellow and the green that's.
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So Prada was in it too. It was. It was great.
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No, all the guys after the show that I was with were like freaking out about it. Because I think what's great about a collection that is really like rooted in the classics. I hate to say that, but like the five pocket jean and a trucker jacket is even though it's shown on some of the most intensely thin people, which is maybe a whole other conversation we can have about model casting in general. Those clothes are going to work on a lot of bodies, like in different sizes. Like, you know, it's. Jeans look great on everybody. A good pair of jeans is like unimpeachable as far as a garment goes. The button down shirts, the trucker jackets, those little sweater vests, the fanny pack accessory. Like, I think there's so much in there that so many people will be drawn to. But it didn't feel like a basic collection of basics. Cause there's that Prada subversion and inventiveness and kind of like sexiness, which is not a word I would associate with Prada often.
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Yeah, well, it's like thinky sexy. Well, that's interesting because I think it lacked the perversion that Prada often has.
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There was one model not to. Not to be a pervert here on the podcast who I. Maybe he was the closing look in like the raspberry colored suit who they hadn't.
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Oh, yeah.
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Shaved his like, what do you call that? A happy trail.
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Ah, yes.
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And I was like, you know, they are really shaving these guys legs. And at least they let this one guy keep his little stomach hair. I thought, you know, in this context, that's about as sexy as it's gonna get. And I was grateful that it was there.
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Yeah, it was interesting because sometimes it is like really, really perverted. And I didn't feel that this time. I. I loved it. What? I will say it was interesting because I am a person who sometimes I leave Prada and I'm like, I don't feel comfortable right now. This show. I was like, I love this. I'm obsessed. I feel so good. And I felt like everyone in the room felt that way, too. I got messages immediately from three men who are product customers who were like, I hate it. Whoa. And I think it was interesting. One was like, you know, I spend close to 100 grand a year there. I'm not buying any of this. Well, another person was like, had just dropped a ton on the men's and women's was like, I'm not into it. I think that that GLP1 silhouette could turn people off. Like, initially, what I wrote was like, it doesn't matter. They know how to merchandise this stuff. And I think you're right that it will work on a lot of different bodies, and once they see it in the stores, it will have a different feeling. But it was interesting because I was shocked. Like, usually. Usually if there is going to be a mixed feeling about a show, I can tell I'll be like, I'm not really sure what I think about it, or you just know. But this, like, I was like, oh, my God, this was so good. And immediately I got feedback that people interested. And so it's. It's interesting because I think it also comes down to that idea of being in person and not. And what a difference it makes.
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Yeah. I mean, I think if you look at the Vogue Runway pictures, you know, which is how most people are going to see this or the prada.com pictures, it is like, the collection reads very. Flat is maybe the wrong word, but there's just not a lot of, like, dimension because there's not a lot of pattern, and there's not a lot of, like, layering. So I could see how if you're just clicking through a slideshow, you'd be like, huh? But let me be the one to say it looks amazing on. And, you know, it's gonna look amazing in stores, and there's gonna be all other kinds of product extensions to, like, keep the story going.
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Totally. I was super pro. I am very bullish on it. And I also think it's gonna. I think the color and the. The way it was present, obviously, the silhouette. But I do think it's gonna change the conversation in menswear, but also beyond. Like, it was more of a uni. I hate that word. But, like, genderless collection.
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Very helmet Langian in some of the fabrications and silhouettes.
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Never quite as it's Watch the new Hulu original series, the Testaments, streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney for bundle subscribers terms apply. One thing on the the show, the sparse schedule and and the idea of Gucci coming back and London Fashion Week and New York Fashion Week and these other than Paris Fashion weeks and the challenges that they have, I'm of two minds. One is London is going to feel essential this season because of McQueen, because of Christopher Kane and Mulberry. So you have those two big names. Christopher is a, you know, a one in a million talent. It's going to be amazing no matter what. And then you have Burberry. So like there is a really a reason to go again. New York, there's going to be, I'm hearing like some really interesting things happening. So it's going to feel energized. September is always, I think because the weather's better, feels a little more energy, energy wise. But I will say, and I think in Milan, the big challenge is what these brands need to decide is do you want to. I think there are several of them. Gucci, Bottega, Jill Sander. They could all do men's shows like Jill Sander used to do a men's show. Bottega. I don't know if I think Thomas Meyer used to split men's and women's but I think like it's a real question of maybe that is a more bang for your buck. Like do you do one big show or do you do two shows with a couple women in a couple men? I kind of think, I don't know from a marketing return on investment perspective, you'd have to figure it out. But if they want these fashion weeks to feel essential, more brands are going to have to show it them. On the other hand, like my other question is like, should we just kind of let nature take its course and try to stop forcing something that doesn't feel natural anymore? And I always think back to Emily Bode, who Probably has a better business than 95% of these companies. She barely ever shows. Like, maybe she's showing and I don't know. Like, I don't. I have no idea. But she doesn't need to show every season. And it doesn't. It's complicated. Like, Phoebe Filo is the most influential designer working right now other than Matu Blasi. And she's not. She hasn't showed. Eventually, she probably will. And. And there's a value to show showing. And it also, like, all the influence that Emily has had on people or Phoebe has had on people, if they had a show, it would be more obvious they could get more credit. But, like, there is a part of me that's like, for me as a journalist, going to those four shows or four or five shows and meeting with people was more valuable than going to 15 shows, like, just for the kind of work that I do. And I think more people. And probably for you too.
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Yeah, I mean, I think, like, Fashion Week is no longer about fashion shows. Really. Like, the fashion shows are the flagship event, but they're not the be all to end all of why any of us show up. We're all doing meetings, we're all catching up with people. We're all doing interviews for future print magazines. You know, it's like, you have to hit so many marks. I think the thing with all of these fashion weeks is that they need to start operating more like tourism boards than fashion show vehicles. Like, if you think about something like Salone de Moble or Coachella, it's like, sure, Charlie XCX is the headliner or whatever. You know, sure, there's like the tea magazine party at Villanecchi that you want to go to, but there's all of these other things. Like, I think Copenhagen Fashion Week, which I went to two years ago, does a great job. Like, there's not that many shows and there's not that many brands, but they plan all of these other things for you to do. Art galleries, movie screenings, dinners, meeting a chef, going on a boat tour, whatever. It's like if Fashion Week took a little bit of the pretension out of the situation and said, okay, maybe Milan Fashion Week men's is only going to have five big shows, but instead we're going to bring on a sneaker brand and throw a rave, or we're going to do a food thing, or we're going to do a film thing. I mean, there was that Sofia Coppola screening at the Fondazione Prada that I was not invited To I thought maybe we could do a podcast and not
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mention Sofia Coppola, but I wasn't either. And I was like, oh, I would have gone, hello. I. I mean, I did. I was like, oh, why didn't Michael. Why did. He probably didn't think that we would
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be there, I guess, or there. She's taken out a restraining order against us.
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Well, the funny thing was I went to the Fondazione Prada that day. I had lunch at their restaurant there, which is amazing. It's so nice. And then I saw, you know, I don't know if they just. I, maybe they didn't do a lot of press. I don't think they really think we could have just gone. But I was like, I. I kind of saw that it was there, but I just didn't think about it. And then I was like, oh, I think I would have, because I still haven't seen it.
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Me neither.
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Oh, my God.
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Stuff. Anyway. I know it's like, you know, I could. It's too in my mind and my heart to see.
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I agree. I don't need to see it.
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Yeah. It's like, I know what happened, but
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I would have liked to see her ch. Did a talk and she was wearing a great polka dotted skirt. I would have liked to see that. Her hair color, so good anyway.
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But, you know, I think these fashion weeks could feel more like a cultural event and more in concert with the culture of all of these cities than just an opportunity to go to the Prada show. It's like, I love going to the Prada show, but I would also love to be a little bit more interwoven in the fabric of Milan and of Italy in general. And that's kind of what Pitti does well. It's kind of what Copenhagen Fashion Week does well. I think Laura's trying to bring that to British London Fashion Week. And it's like, you know, to me, the ball is really in the core of the cfda, the Camera de la Moda, and even the French Federation to, like, turn these beyond trade events and fashion show events into something that, you know, like, if Fete de la Musique has millions of people in the streets, like, shouldn't Fashion Week have some kind of exciting counterpart beyond everyone waiting for celebrities to show up to Dior, you know?
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Yeah. And in Milan, there'll be Vogue World, which is great. But yes, I agree. And we could do a whole breakdown of this. I only have a few more minutes. So there were two more topics that I want. Well, three, actually. We're gonna have to do a lightning round. First off, I really like the David Sims dua, Lipa, Callum Turner photos. They were so gorgeous.
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10 out of 10. Toni is the perfect celebrity. She's the only person being famous correctly, in my book.
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A hundred percent. That's all we need to say. Well done. A plus mood board forever. Okay, moving on. What do you think about the SUNE guys going to Moschino?
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I think it's super smart for Moschino. They're two genius, kind of like very cerebral stuntmen. I think it's a bummer about Adrian Appiolatza, who is a fantastic designer who I loved at Loewe and who I stand forever. Hopefully he gets an amazing job after this and we get to continue to see his vision. But I love the SUNE guys. I think they're brilliant. And I think, like, the shows that they staged here in Milan with very little budget generated so much buzz and interest. And the clothes are great, by the way. Yeah. So I think that's like a net positive for Moschino and for Milan.
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Yeah, I think it's just tough. Like, it's the. All these businesses that are really reliant on wholesale. SUNE and Moschino both, like, it just makes it hard. It's hard to break through when you're not part of a big group, when you're not owned by Renzo Rosso, when you're all these things. So. But the good thing about something that Moschino is ife the parent company, is gonna have a new owner private equity firm. Maybe this gets it sold to a strategic group. Cause these guys are funny and smart. They put their phone number on the press release, which I was like, that's my move. But, yeah, they're great. I did a BoF video with them during the pandemic and barely remember it, but do remember really liking them.
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B
Amazing.
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A
But yeah, Adrienne, I. What someone close to that company said is, like, he might just be a person who shouldn't be a creative director. He's like, has, like, bet more fashion knowledge of any designer ever. He has an incredible archive that he collects and rents out to people. But maybe he's better off behind the scenes or this just wasn't the right brand. It's a very tough brand. And I think the SUNE guys are. Are really funny and so you have to be funny and so. So we'll see.
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B
Funny. I also think it's a brand that's become very much about, you know, T shirts, jersey. Like, it's not a brand. Where you're designing, like couture silhouettes. It's a brand where you need to come up with some clever tees. I think the SUNE guys are great at that.
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A
Yeah. Okay. Finally, Dario.
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B
Yay.
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A
There was so much gossip this weekend about where Dario's going. And there was this big report in this publication, Italian publication called the Platform, that is run by a very serious business journalist. She was a business journalist at the Giant, the most well read newspaper in Italy for 23 years. She's not. She's not full of shit, but I did, and basically she reported that Dario was about to sign Emporio Armani. Of course, everyone else who talked about it was like, Dario's going to Emporio Armani doesn't mean he's going there if he hasn't signed people. So I did a bunch of reporting around it, but from what I have deduced is that it could happen, but it hasn't happened yet. And also there's like a million factors you can read in line sheet. I go through all of it, like, of why this doesn't make sense right now and maybe it'll make sense in a year and everybody just needs to chill out. But I know, I feel like the last time you were on, we talked about what Dariel's options are. And I will say I would love him, love to see him in Armani in a year. I think just taking Emporio. If he's only taking Emporio, there's got to be some promise that he's going to get the whole thing or whatever. Like, Emporio is a contemporary brand and he. This guy is like, if anyone has options, it's him. But I'm just curious, like, if it happened, would you, like, what, what at this point, what are your hopes and dreams for Dario? Because everyone seems to have an opinion.
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B
My. I just think he is like the MVP right now. He's the most wanted player in this creative director World Cup. I guess I think after what happened with Versace, he deserves a stable job, which some place like Armani can give you. Even if it's Emporio transitioning to Giorgio one day. Like, that's a real company that invests in its employees. And you can tell because everyone has worked there for 70 years. You know, back in New York a couple of months ago, someone told me he was meeting with people at Ralph Lauren, which I don't know if that's true or not, but I think, like,
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A
you know, I think he probably met with everybody. Yeah, honestly, let's say.
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B
I would say I'm. I want the best for you, Dario. Me talking to him directly. I want the best for you.
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A
Someone will relay this to him, I promise.
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B
Yeah. See what all your options are. You're a genius. And by the way, like, enjoy your. I'm sure you're going to have a great summer, you know?
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A
Yeah. Well, what someone said to me, and I think it's true, you have to remember, this is a person who knew that if he took the job he took, he would eventually get fired. And he took it anyway.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Because he wanted to, like, do a big one. Do something interesting. Yeah, he did a big one. And so I think that's how he lives his life. And we should all be like that, so.
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B
Amen.
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A
Who knows where he'll eventually end up? I think that he does. He has decided. I don't know what it is. If I find out, I will let everyone know. But I think it's just interesting. What an amazing lesson to all of us.
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B
Yeah. No, truly, I think we've grown so accustomed to the same four people changing jobs. I don't know what to call it. There's, like a luxury malaise in all of this. I think it's very cool for a creative director in this marketplace and in this time and fashion that is so unstable and uncertain to value themselves and their talent. And I sort of think, like, more of our leaders, more of our creative leaders should feel that way. You know, it's like the economy is so bad. We're all trying to make things that are beautiful and inspiring and creative. And I think it's very cool to not just jump on the bandwagon of your first job offer. I think wherever he ends up, the goodwill around him and his talent is so great that, like, it will only be incredible. So wishing you the best, Dario Vitale. Hope you're having a great summer. Maybe do some private client stuff. I mean, you know, who knows? Design a couple things for fun. I'll watch your Instagram and we'll see what happens.
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A
Yeah, we'll figure it out. Steph, this was great. I'll see you tomorrow.
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B
See you tomorrow in Paris.
- [39:32]
A
Have a great rest of Milan. You too.
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B
Bye.
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A
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