Presenting: Otherworld | Zaza - Fashion People

Fashion People Presents: Otherworld | Zaza

Podcast: Fashion People
Episode: Presenting: Otherworld | Zaza
Host: Jack Wagner (Otherworld), Presented by Lauren Sherman (Fashion People & Puck)
Date: November 8, 2025

Brief Overview

In this crossover preview, "Fashion People" introduces listeners to an episode of the paranormal podcast "Otherworld" hosted by Jack Wagner. The episode, titled "Zaza," dives into a chilling true story from Kendra, a woman who, as a high schooler in 1990s Wyoming, encountered something strange after playing with a Ouija board with friends. This segment is a snapshot into unexplainable events, blurring the line between reality and the supernatural—a departure from Fashion People’s usual fashion-industry scoop, but no less dramatic.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Setting the Scene: Small Town 90s Nostalgia

Kendra grew up in a tiny town in central Wyoming, near the Wind River Reservation, rich with Native American and mountain man history ([03:15]).
She paints a vivid picture of adolescence in the pre-internet era: “We didn't have a lot to do. We didn't have the Internet, you know, so we were always just looking for things to get into, you know, prank calling people, driving around town, just meeting up at the local parking lot where everybody hung out.” ([04:51])
Her group of friends bonded over music, especially grunge and classic rock, with Kendra expressing her Beatles obsession.

2. Inciting Incident: The Ouija Board Experiment

With a mix of boredom and curiosity, Kendra and friends buy a Ouija board from Kmart, aiming to contact John Lennon ([06:19]).
The initial tone is playful:

“All kind of in good fun. In the beginning. We really just, you know, were trying to go into it kind of in a lighthearted way. Like, how cool would it be if John Lennon came through to talk to us?” — Kendra ([06:30])
None are sure if the board works, but as soon as they try, the planchette starts moving and spells out words—faster than they expect. They question whether anyone in the group is faking.

3. Early Signs: Is It Really John Lennon?

Kendra and friends ask for proof; astonishingly, a John Lennon photo falls off her wall at the exact moment they request a sign ([08:03]).
“At that moment, I had a John Lennon photo hanging on my wall across the room, and it fell off the wall at that moment and we all just looked at each other and we were like, oh my gosh, like, I can't believe that just happened.” — Kendra ([08:12])

4. Escalation: The Uncanny Begins

The group, encouraged/unnerved by the “sign,” keeps playing.
While the excerpt is brief, Kendra hints at darker turns:

“I think because we were so open minded and intentional with what we were doing, unintentionally, I think that's where things maybe kind of took advantage of us.” — Kendra ([09:13])
The host, Jack Wagner, draws attention to the classic elements at play—adolescent curiosity, ritual objects, and the unnerving consequences:

“This is a very classic, spooky story in so many ways. I'm gonna let Kendra tell it for herself...” — Jack Wagner ([01:38])

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Ouija board moment:

“Of course, it started moving and it really did feel like, you know, none of us was really intentionally moving it.” — Kendra ([07:09])
Uncanny ‘proof’:

“I mean, I had all four Beatles photos hanging on my wall and for that to happen just seemed to be like such a. It couldn't be a coincidence.” — Kendra ([08:24])
Atmospheric intro:

“One that reality wears when it gets weird. The podcast Otherworld explores stories of the strange, the unexplainable, and the downright uncanny. Think glitch in the Matrix.” — Podcast Narrator ([00:17])

Important Segments with Timestamps

[00:46] — Jack Wagner introduces the episode and the story’s protagonist, Kendra.
[03:15] — Kendra describes small-town Wyoming life in the 1990s.
[06:19] — Decision to get the Ouija board and attempt to contact John Lennon.
[07:09] — The planchette “moves on its own” during their Ouija session.
[08:03–08:24] — The John Lennon photo mysteriously falls as the group asks for proof.
[09:13] — Kendra reflects on how their intentions may have made them vulnerable.
[09:22] — Episode outro and prompt to listen to the full story on “Otherworld.”

Tone & Language

The episode strikes a nostalgic, conversational tone reflecting 90s adolescence and the mixture of fun and fear intrinsic to urban legend storytelling. Kendra is earnest and relatable, while Jack Wagner’s introductions bring a sense of anticipation and classic spooky energy.

Summary for New Listeners

This preview of “Otherworld: Zaza” weaves a nostalgic, suspense-filled tale of bored teens, a Ouija board, and a chilling encounter in small-town Wyoming. While the full extent of the supernatural events is left for the complete episode, the excerpt is rich in detail, emotional candor, and atmospheric storytelling—a compelling detour from fashion world drama, underscoring that “dark drama never goes out of season.”

Transcript

Podcast Narrator (0:00)

Hey, fashion lovers. Now that Halloween is over, we've got a different kind of costume for you. One that reality wears when it gets weird. The podcast Otherworld explores stories of the strange, the unexplainable, and the downright uncanny. Think glitch in the Matrix. Moments and encounters that make you question what's real as told by the people who experienced the unexplainable. So trade your couture for curiosity and listen to this preview of Otherworld, because dark drama never goes out of season.

Jack Wagner (0:46)

Welcome to Other World. I'm your host, Jack Wagner. This episode comes from a woman named Kendra who grew up in a small town in Wyoming, which is where this whole thing takes place. And it happened around 1996, which I think adds a lot to this story. All of this starts when Kendra is going into her freshman year of high school. At this time, her and her friends start playing with a Ouija board. At first, they attempted to contact John Lennon, which, if you ask me, is pretty ambitious. But then again, these are high school freshmen. They were not able to contact John Lennon. However, something did seem to come through on the board and start communicating with them. This is a very classic, spooky story in so many ways. I'm gonna let Kendra tell it for herself, and I'll save the rest of my thoughts for after the episode. This episode is called Zaza, and you're listening to Otherworld.

Kendra (2:01)

Hello, is this Bobby? Yes.

Jack Wagner (2:03)

It is, at its core, the science you can't argue with.

Kendra (2:06)

I'm so worried about up in the sky.

Jack Wagner (2:09)

It's almost frustrating that it's happening.

Kendra (2:10)

I'm literally.

Jack Wagner (2:11)

I'm gonna die. Its limbs were just, like, wrong.

Kendra (2:15)

Everybody moves back and light, even if it takes them a minute. I'm Kendra. I've been living in Idaho for about 11 years. 12 years. I'm in the banking industry. Love the outdoors, love living in Idaho and, you know, fly fishing. I'm also a musician. Play the mandolin and piano and a little bit of percussion. Just all the things just for fun and, yeah, like, just loving life here. So I lived my whole childhood and grew up in a small central Wyoming town, kind of the base of the Wind River Mountains. Very, very small town. You know, about 9,000 people right on the edge of the Wind River Reservation. So a lot of Native American history there. A lot of mountain men. You know, there's, like, a rendezvous site nearby. So a lot of history. It's a really cool area to grow up in. So this all took place leading into my freshman year of high school. So I Think I was around 15, going into 16 years old, and I had a few really close friends that we'd been, you know, hanging out, you know, just doing normal high school stuff. Going into high school, this is like 1996. I would say 95, 96. So, you know, a lot of the, like, grunge music was really in. That's kind of what we were listening to, you know, like Bush and Weezer and, you know, Stone Temple Pilots and that kind of stuff. So we were really into. We had guitars and a drum kit, and we were just, you know, playing music for fun. Was really into the Beatles at the time, too, and just like, old school rock and roll, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, that kind of stuff. So, you know, we were just kids in the 90s, and, you know, we would get bored. You know, we. We didn't have a lot to do. We didn't have the Internet, you know, so we were always just looking for things to get into, you know, prank calling people, driving around town, just meeting up at the local parking lot where everybody hung out. It was a pretty fun time, I think. Like, I loved growing up in my small little town. Like I said, I was really into the Beatles at the time, and I was kind of obsessed with them, actually. And, you know, my friends were mildly interested in the Beatles as well. But, you know, this is the summer leading into high school, and we were really bored and looking for things to do. And so I decided, hey, what if we got a Ouija board and tried to contact John Lennon? So all kind of in good fun. In the beginning. We really just, you know, we're trying to go into it kind of in a lighthearted way. Like, how cool would it be if John Lennon came through to talk to us? So we decided we'd go down to the local Kmart and pick up a Ouija board out of the game section. You know, I just took it back to my bedroom. I had, like, a ton of, like, Beatles memorabilia and things in there. And we were like, okay, we're really going to try and concentrate and try and contact John Lennon. At first, we're sitting in my bedroom on my bed, and there were, I think, maybe two or three of my friends with me at the time. My best friend Lisa and my friend Brooke and another friend. And so we just kind of started and a couple of us, you know, put our hands on the planchette, and we didn't know. You know, it was our first time. Like, are we really moving it? Is it really working? And of course, it started moving and it really did feel like, you know, none of us was really intentionally moving it. And it did start spelling some things and it was slow moving. At the beginning we were asking, you know, is this John? We were trying to contact John, and it would go to yes and, you know, just pretty basic things. And I feel like, you know, as silly as we were back then, we did have like, serious intentions of like, and an open mind of having this work. And so of course it said yes. And, you know, we were going back and forth asking it questions to kind of, you know, is this really John? If it's John, can you give us some kind of proof that it's you? And at that moment, I had a John Lennon photo hanging on my wall across the room, and it fell off the wall at that moment and we all just looked at each other and we were like, oh my gosh, like, I can't believe that just happened. Maybe it was just a coincidence, I don't know. But I mean, I had all four Beatles photos hanging on my wall and for that to happen just seemed to be like such a. It couldn't be a coincidence. You know, at first that just kind of intrigued us to keep playing. You know, we kept wanting to come back for more because we got evidence that this thing was really happening. And so, you know, in the beginning it was very light hearted and fun and we kind of were just really open. And I think because we were so open minded and intentional with what we were doing, unintentionally, I think that's where things maybe kind of took advantage of us. Going forward to listen to the full.