Raw Denim Vs. Raw Milk

Summary

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Episode Overview

Fashion People host Lauren Sherman welcomes writer and cultural commentator Sophia Rivka Rossi for an inside-the-industry chat that weaves through trending topics in the fashion world: from the mechanics of “cruise season” and the surprising staying power of Kith, to the semiotics of luxury shopping habits among teens, the cyclical return of It-bags, and the nuances of celebrity-brand campaigns. The episode is rich with personal anecdotes, sharp cultural observation, and a hands-on look at what’s circulating through the fashion grapevine in Los Angeles, Paris, and New York.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The LA Grocery Wars: Erewhon vs. Laurel Supply

[03:26–05:06]

• Sophia shares her anticipation to visit Laurel Supply, dubbed “the new Erewhon,” noting the excitement around new luxury grocery experiences in LA and their role as social and cultural touchpoints.
• Lauren comments on the aesthetic differences between the newer upscale stores and the “crunchy” charm of older spots like Erewhon.
• Sophia: "You can even see from the street. It's like a new establishment." (04:32)

Coffee Culture and Alternative Milks in Paris vs. LA

[05:06–06:03]

• Lauren remarks on missing fresh almond milk in Paris’s coffee scene, contrasting it to LA's third-wave café culture.
• Oat milk’s moment may have passed, as both hosts agree it’s “too sugar spiky.”

Kith’s Enduring Popularity & Streetwear Shifts

[06:08–09:16]

• Lauren ponders Kith’s stronghold in both LA and NY, referencing long lines outside stores and their Knicks sponsorship.
• Sophia is surprised by Kith’s cross-coastal branding and how the brand’s trajectory mirrors the evolution of “shopping for clothes” as a cultural act.
• Lauren: “What Ronnie did that was so brilliant was he made it about shopping for clothes…other streetwear brands were about music or skateboarding.” (07:29)

Teens & the Luxury Store Line Phenomenon

[09:16–11:47]

• Sophia recounts being “disturbed” by the influx of young shoppers at luxury boutiques, questioning the economics behind teens acquiring full designer “fits.”
• Lauren references The Devil Wears Prada’s commentary on luxury democratization, noting, “now if you’re a mom in Banff…you are carrying a tote.” (11:16)

The Devil Wears Prada Movie Sequel: Industry Reactions

[10:08–14:15]

• Both hosts reflect on attending the much-anticipated sequel, discussing its cutting depiction of fashion media.
• Lauren reveals the movie felt “stressful” because it was “so accurate” to her reporting. She adds, “I don’t watch a lot of fashion documentaries…If that’s your life every single day…it’s complicated.” (12:25, 13:14)
• Sophia: “I wanted more montages and I wanted more fun…but it was totally accurate...” (11:49)

Luxury “Cruise” Shows: Bringing Fashion Outside The Big Four

[14:15–16:34]

• Lauren and Sophia explore the buzz surrounding Dior’s upcoming LA show at the Geffen—a sign of how luxury brands are courting West Coast audiences.
• Sophia celebrates the "exciting crossover" of high fashion into LA, recalling LA Fashion Week being “the biggest joke” during her Hills production days.
• Sophia: “It feels like sports for women, you know…and I think these shows going in different cities…it’s kind of cool for LA.” (15:39)

The Hills, 2000s Designers, and It-Bag Nostalgia

[16:19–19:21]

• Sophia reminisces about her time producing The Hills and interning at Teen Vogue—spilling on the must-haves of 2009–2010: Balenciaga “motorcycle” bags, Chloe buckles, and Valentino Rockstuds.
• Sophia: “I’m so mad that I didn’t keep some of those [Balenciaga bags]…I had so many. I had like five of them!” (17:08)

Timelessness vs. Trend: Prada, Celine, Issey Miyake

[18:20–20:04]

• Lauren asserts that Prada’s designs rarely “date”—unlike some trend-driven brands.
• Sophia probes if Celine has the same lasting power as Prada, leading to a reflection on Phoebe Philo-era pieces.
• Lauren: “Because it’s so stinky, you can wear it whenever and it looks okay.” (19:21)

Hailey Bieber: Campaigns, Aesthetics, and Brand Strategy

[21:00–25:16]

• Discussion shifts to Hailey Bieber’s star turns for Alaïa and Saint Laurent. Both hosts admire her chameleon-like appeal and campaign versatility.
• Lauren speculates on exclusivity clauses and industry politics behind Bieber’s dual high-fashion endorsements.
• Sophia: “She’s our coolest girl. She’s cool because she’s blonde and brunette—you know, she brings to the table the essence of both…” (21:23)
• Lauren lauds Bieber for “managing her celebrity”—especially amidst intense public scrutiny.

Pilates, Fitness Fads & Body Politics

[25:29–28:57]

• Lauren and Sophia debrief Hailey Bieber’s comment about being "over Pilates." Both express opinions on Pilates’ accessibility and the trend-chasing nature of boutique fitness.
• Sophia highlights that Pilates “is for skinny people—you have to already be fit to then be able to enjoy Pilates to see the real results.” (28:01)
• Lauren balances this, encouraging all body types to enjoy movement, while acknowledging visible results can be more apparent on thinner bodies.
• The two also discuss LA/Paris fitness differences and recent class etiquette crackdowns (“no more phones/texting during class”).

"Ozempic Bodies," Cigarettes, and Paris Wellness

[28:50–29:05]

• Sophia asks about the “Ozempic Paris scene,” to which Lauren responds, “Body type non-existent…it’s just cigarettes.”
• Both agree cigarettes are back in Paris, with Sophia relieved to see Zyn (nicotine pouches) fading in popularity.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Lauren Sherman [07:29]: “What Ronnie did that was so brilliant was he made it about shopping for clothes in the past…he made it about the act of buying clothes. And that is why it's had more staying power.”
• Sophia Rivka Rossi [15:39]: “Maybe that’s even why The Devil Wears Prada did so well…fashion feels more accessible, but still…it feels like sports for women.”
• Lauren Sherman [12:25]: “I can’t be objective about this movie…The movie is exactly what I write about…so accurate in terms of the last 15 years of my reporting.”
• Sophia Rivka Rossi [21:23]: “She’s our coolest girl…she sort of brings to the table the essence of both whenever she wants it.”
• Lauren Sherman [19:21]: “Because [Prada] is so stinky, you can wear it whenever and it looks okay.”
• Sophia Rivka Rossi [28:01]: “I feel like Pilates is for skinny people. You have to already be fit to then be able to enjoy Pilates to see the real results.”

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Segment Guide with Timestamps

• [03:24–05:06] — LA upscale grocery culture; Parisian almond milk woes
• [06:08–09:16] — The resurgence and strategy of Kith; streetwear’s evolution
• [09:16–11:47] — Teen shopping habits and luxury’s new customer base
• [10:08–14:15] — The Devil Wears Prada sequel: industry-insider perspectives
• [14:15–16:34] — Upcoming cruise (resort) shows & luxury’s focus on LA
• [16:19–19:21] — “The Hills” nostalgia, 2000s designer It-bags, and cyclical trends
• [21:00–25:16] — Hailey Bieber’s image, campaign strategy, and celebrity branding
• [25:29–28:57] — Pilates, fitness trends, and body image in LA and Paris
• [28:50–29:05] — “Ozempic body” discourse and the Parisian return to chic smoking

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Tone & Takeaways

The tone is breezy, conversational, and deeply “insider”—marked by name drops, wry self-awareness, and a fondness for both nostalgia and analysis. Lauren’s perspective is informed by years of fashion media reporting, while Sophia brings the vantage point of an LA tastemaker with a reality TV pedigree and editor’s eye. The episode moves seamlessly from personal anecdote to acute trend observation—ideal for listeners who crave both the “scene report” and sharp commentary on the fashion world’s moving targets.

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Transcript

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[Lauren Sherman]

Hello and welcome to Fashion People. I'm Lauren Sherman, writer of Cutscene Fashion and Beauty Memo Line sheet and today with me on the show is Sophia Rivka Rossi, author of the Great Substack. Between Friends, we're talking cruise season, exercise, trends, the state of apc, the staying power of Kith frozen yogurt, and believe me, so much more. Happy Tuesday everyone. I hope you are having a great week. Tomorrow is Dior Cruise. If you're going, please send me any and all thoughts. I'm super so curious. I like the little Posternak video. I'm. I'm curious to see how it all goes down. It's going to be interesting week for sure. It's Dior, then Gucci, then Von and lots. Lots of cruise conversations. Other than that, you should check out line sheet. I have a big story on the sort of state of apc. Sophia and I also chat about it. Malik did a big piece on Vinted, which, if you're in the States, it is, I would say, the biggest secondhand. I don't know, like, in terms of size, but it's the most talked about secondhand site app thingy in Europe. And Malik is on that beat and has all the details. And we've got lots of fun stuff, Some Armani buyer updates. Just so much going on, and I hope you enjoy it. Let's get going with Sophia, though. Sophia Rivka Rossi, welcome to Fashion People.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

I'm so honored. Thank you.

[Lauren Sherman]

I'm so happy that you're here. Did you have a nice weekend?

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

I had a lovely weekend. I had a real local weekend in the Larchmont community over here in la.

[Lauren Sherman]

Did you go to Laurel Supply, which I hear is the new Erewhon? I've heard this from several people dispatches on the ground in la.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

Okay. I drove by it. It was. The parking seemed insane. But I'm gonna go today. I'm very excited about it. I actually think that it's good for Erewhon to get a little nervous that they don't have, like, a monopoly on this.

[Lauren Sherman]

Are these the same people that own Laurel Hardware? Is it the same group? Or. Okay. Cause I've also been to their Hillstone competitor in Culver City, which I can't remember the name of it.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

Oh, was it good?

[Lauren Sherman]

You know, honestly, it's quite large, which is great if you need to meet someone who lives on the west side and you need a place and you're worried about a reservation. It's not as good as Hillstone or Houston's or whatever you're going to call it, but it's. It was very good.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

The esthetics are, like, kind of shockingly new. And then you sort of realize, like, Erewhon, especially the original one on Beverly, is, like, a little crunchy and old. And maybe there's something, like, cute about that. But you can. You're like, whoa, this is like a new establishment. You can even see from the streets.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, I went to Meadow Lane in New York. Apparently there's another one of these, like, newfangled grocery stores that you're supposed to go to. And not just Meadow Lane, but they have really Good almond milk. And that's important to me when I get a latte so I don't have to just get espresso.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

Yeah. How's the almond milk in Paris?

[Lauren Sherman]

The almond milk in Paris, you know, Wild in the moon, which I. I'm sure you're familiar with. It's a chain of health food stores. They used to have an amazing almond milk that I would buy every single fashion week and it would only last for like two days because there were no preservatives in it. They no longer sell that almond milk. So in terms of almond milk, I'm just using the shelf stabilized stuff that's unsweetened which is fine. But not a lot of homemade almond milks available to me. Unfortunately.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

No trad wives in Paris.

[Lauren Sherman]

No. No. Go get em tiger. No Squirrel. No Honey High. There are not homemade almond milks for me available at the regular in these third wave coffee spots. But there are a lot of really amazing coffee places here. Year when you come to visit. We'll go.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

I'm so excited. Yeah. I feel like oat milk is done. We're. We've passed the wave.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. I'm. I never got on board too. Too Sugar Spiky Cortisol queen. No, exactly. Exactly. Another thing I heard about LA this weekend was that there was a big long line in front of the new Kith and I wrote a little thing about this in line sheet. It's a reopen Kith. And I texted a couple friends who know about things like Kith and I said how is Kith still a thing? Apparently it's still a really big thing.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

Wait, a bigger thing is I was watching. I was in New York last week and I was at a friend's house and they were watching the Knicks game. They were a sponsor for the Knicks and I was like this feels insane. Like. And then they said it was sort of avatar on. Like it wasn't on the actual court. And I was like this is blowing my mind. So we're just doing like sponsored ads. So I think it is a thing and huge win for them for the Knicks. And I still haven't been to the. Where they serve Air1 at the club in New York. The Wellness Club.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh yeah, no, someone we were. I was talking about that with a. In a meeting today about it. I have also not been.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

I haven't really heard a lot about it. Maybe they have like really good privacy rules or something. But it's. But yeah. But yeah. I don't know how it's still a thing. But that was like, it's a big crossover from LA to New York. So their marketing is working for someone.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. Someone said to me today, and I wrote this to try to explain it, is that it was the. What Ronnie did that. Ronnie Fag. Feig. Yeah, Ronnie Feig. I believe what he did that was so brilliant was he made it about shopping for clothes in the past. Like the streetwear brands were about music or about skateboarding or whatever. Yeah. And he made it about like the act of buying clothes. And that is why it's had more staying power. Which I thought was a really interesting observation. I think I'd need to dig into that a bit. But I just thought it. I found it fascinating and I googled why is kith still a thing? And here in France, the AI Chatbot or whatever on goo on Google does not come up. I don't know if it's my settings or if this is universal. It comes up when I'm in Italy and when I'm in America, but not here. So I don't know if it's like regular. Yeah, it's. It's chic. It's. Honestly, I had got. I got. Had gotten really into it because it would answer your questions, but. But it. Basically all these things popped up about it being about simple, essential things. And it's just fast. It's fascinating. Good for them. You. You like to see something that's been around for 15 years still going strong. Like, there are no lines out, I feel. Have you seen on. I don't know if. If you frequent Rodeo Drive since you're over in Larchmont, but do you have. You see, like, I feel like there aren't as many lines outside of stores except for community goods.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

Okay. Well, a few things to say is one, I didn't know till like a year into my friendship with Emily Oberg that she worked for Ronnie back in the day. And I feel like the new sporty store is giving that energy. They're gonna have a juice bar in a little bit and they're gonna have like a Pilates class. So I think that feels like the female sort of gathering about the clothes too. But I was on Rodeo like a month ago, and I actually disturbed by the lines of luxury for teens outside there because, like, when I was younger, I wanted like a Tiffany bracelet or like a keychain. I'm like, are these people getting full fits? Like, I'm so confused on Rodeo being basically like a community goods.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. Well, it's interesting because did you see the devil?

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

Worst prada I did see the Devil Wears Prada. Yeah. I have a lot to say on it, but yes. Did you see it?

[Lauren Sherman]

What? I did. I went to see it. My big observation was, I. I mean, a. The fact they nailed everything, it was so. It was depressing to me because it was so accurate. But I thought that the depiction of the luxury goods world was really smart. And at some point, Emily Charlton, Emily Blunt's character, says she. She's an executive at Dior. And she says, We, 20 years ago, you know, no one was wearing luxury goods. And now if you're a mom in Banff, like a stay at home mom in Banff, she uses Banff. For some reason, you are like carrying a tote. And I think that's true. I think it's. So when we were graduating. Yeah. When we graduated, it was like a coach bag and, and. Or whatever. Or Tiffany necklace. And now it's like Kate Spade. And now everybody has these super, like, fancy things. And so. Yeah, that is. I wonder if that's. Who's keeping the, The. It's the teens that are keeping the revenue of the luxury goods houses up in the US because they're still doing okay here.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

Yeah, I mean, I guess it's good for everyone. I thought I under. I understand luxury brands when it comes to, like, makeup for teens. Like, I see, like, everyone's getting really excited about that. But the clothing, I just. It's still surprising to me, but I mean, it's good for the fashion world.

[Lauren Sherman]

Like, sure, sure.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

I don't know. I don't know. I didn't. I felt like the Dolores Prada was. I wanted more montages and I wanted more fun. But I think you're right. It was totally accurate in sort of the sentiment of fashion. But I was like, I need more like big music montages and makeovers. But maybe that was more about the first one.

[Lauren Sherman]

Well, it's. When you're doing fan service, you're supposed to kind of just do fan service and relive those moments. But I think that they tried to make. Look, I can't be objective about this movie because.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

Tell me why.

[Lauren Sherman]

Well, it's just like, I know too much. Like, the movie is exactly what I write about. It was so accurate in terms of the last 15 years of my reporting. I didn't work at Vogue, but I've been writing about Vogue that whole time. And also just the way that world works. I thought it was super spot on about fashion media in particular. And so it, it was just like, I was stressed the whole Time I was watching it, it was just like, I don't want to be spending my time. I don't watch like, I don't watch a lot of fashion documentaries. I don't. I was just with some people who listen to fashion people and I said. And one of a person, I was a person in this group said, you know, I've never listened to it. Maybe I'll start listening. And I was like, honestly, I don't know if you want to listen to it. Like, it's like.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

You're like, please don't.

[Lauren Sherman]

Well, it's just. It's just. So if that's your life every single day, I don't know. It's. It's complicated. But you should have been in it. You know, that's that. I did break the news of it existing.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

So if we saw some cameos in there, we could have had a. Yeah, a long term.

[Lauren Sherman]

Maybe the number three. We'll see.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

Yeah, we need to have her have that tell all book and be a bestseller. That. Yes.

[Lauren Sherman]

Well, I feel like they will do a third one now because this has been so. And good. Good on them that it was successful. It was like, oh, for most successful straight up comedy and in forever. It is not a romantic comedy. I forget who was saying that. And I was like, this most absolutely isn't. There was no romance. And oh, it was Peter Hamby, my colleague over at the Powers that Be. He was like a romantic. I was like, this is not a romantic comedy.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

But no, it's a full workplace storyline that normally is like such a dud in tv.

[Lauren Sherman]

So like, as a person who is in media and, and dabbles in fashion and knows a lot of fashion people, how do you feel about all these resort shows coming up? We have Dior in Los Angeles in just one day.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

I'm so excited about. I know I actually. It's the first time I wanted to go. Because it's at the Geffen. Yes. And the building you have. You haven't been yet. Because you're not.

[Lauren Sherman]

No. I can't wait.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

Yeah. I like, didn't know what brutalist architecture was, but I would tell you now it's my favorite. It is the most gorgeous building in Los Angeles. It is so. It's so gorgeous. It looks over Wilshire, one of the sort of arches that goes from the Geffen to the wrestler wing. And it's just. It's so exciting for la. I haven't been that this excited for a venue, so that's very cool that they're doing that. There and then. Is it Louis Vuitton doing in New York?

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes. And so is Gucci. So it's Dior 13th, Gucci 16th, Vuitton 20th. And then Hermes is doing a show. It's like part two of fall or whatever. They don't call it Cruise, but on June 4th in LA. And I'm gonna come, so I'll be there. I'll be around.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

Yes. Maybe I'll ask Baby Jane and, like, get me in.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, you should go. I mean, I would love to have your.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

I think it's fun. I think this is, like, a real exciting crossover. And maybe that's even why the Delawares. Prada did so well, too. It's like fashion feels more accessible, but still, like, it feels like sports for women, you know, And. And I. I think that these shows going in different cities where it's not just, like, Paris, New York, bringing it to L. A. Like, I didn't think. When I did the Hills back in the day, we, like, filmed a episode at, like, L. A Fashion Week, and it was, like, the biggest joke. Like, it was not a thing. I don't. And so now the fact that these luxury brands are here, where people are literally lining up for their products is kind of cool for L. A.

[Lauren Sherman]

You know, I forgot that you're a producer on the Hills. Did you also. Were you ever on it?

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

No, no, no, no. I was on. I did the Hills in the City, so that's not. I. I feel like I worked.

[Lauren Sherman]

So you really are a fashion person.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

Yeah, I had my Teen Vogue internship, and, yeah, I. I was always really, like, impressed with the, like, intensity fashion brought to the table. You know, it's sort of like being an amazing producer. Like, the details were really cool, but I never, like. I just wore, like, uniforms and whatever fashionable friends told me to wear.

[Lauren Sherman]

What were the big designers at that time? Like Alexander Wang and Nicola Jaskare at Balenciaga, I feel like. Because this is like, 2009, 2010, right?

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

Oh, my God, the Balenciaga. I'm so mad that I didn't keep some of those bags. They were. I had so many. I had, like, five of them, and I don't even know why. I think that was just, like, what Nicole Richie and people told me to get. And I think they were, like, twelve hundred dollars at the time, and I can't. I don't know what that bag would be now. What was it called? The motorcycle bag. Yes, I had, like. They're back. I loved that bag. And I had the big one, and then the small little ones and Catherine Power from who it. Where they were always, like, bringing it from, like, day to night. Yeah. That was sort of the big brands. And. Oh, Chloe, like, the buckle, not Dior. I feel like Dior wasn't. Or Prada.

[Lauren Sherman]

No, it was really also the Valentino rock Stud, which is back again, which was in the Devil Wears Prada, and they just launched a new campaign for it. It never really went away, though. Like, the motorcycle bag went away for a good 10 years, and then people started buying it on resale, and now it's really big again and is doing very well for Balenciaga. But. But I feel like the rockstud was this thing that you're like, how could this actually be back? But it is.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

What about the Prada nylon? Is that out now? Because I just decided I wanted one, and I don't know.

[Lauren Sherman]

I don't think the Prada out nylon is ever out.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

Okay.

[Lauren Sherman]

Prada is an interesting brand. So I actually just bought a clutch, a Prada clutch that is embossed leather and. And then nylon on the sides. And it's from 1988. She started doing the nylon when she took over designing for the business. She started doing nylon in, like, the mid-80s or the early 80s or something. The thing about Prada, to me, is that Prada never really dates because it's in the fashion conversation, but it's not trendy. So, like, you can have a trend. They did a barn jacket, but, like, you can wear the Prada barn jacket. You can't wear the. No offense to totem. I love totem. The toteme barn jacket eventually is gonna look kind of lame.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

Like, I love totem now. They just got. I just got into it. Yeah, but. Yeah, that makes sense.

[Lauren Sherman]

Whereas a Prada thing, because it's so stinky, you can wear it whenever and it looks okay. So. No, I don't think not. It did get hip hipper again. But it will never date. You can totally get a nylon Prada backpack or mini tote or clutch or whatever you want.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

I want the mini. But does that mean that, like, Celine never dates either?

[Lauren Sherman]

I think Celine, Phoebe, Seline never dated. There are pieces that you look back and you're like, that was a little nuts. But for the most part, I still wear a lot of. A lot of my old Celine stuff.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

Yeah. I'm seeing. I'm seeing a lot of the Issey Miyake pleated.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

Stuff that I was not aware of. And now I'm like, I see this everywhere.

[Lauren Sherman]

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[Lauren Sherman]

What did you think of Hailey Bieber's Alia campaign that came out last week? Week?

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

I didn't think about it until I looked it up right before this podcast. And I got to say, she it, it looked pretty. It looked a little air legit to me. Like I feel. Yeah, that was a little bit.

[Lauren Sherman]

In a good way.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

Yeah, I think in a good way. And I think she just, she's our coolest girl. She's. And she's cool because she's blonde and brunette. You know, she sort of brings to the table the essence of both whenever she wants it.

[Lauren Sherman]

It's true.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

Yeah. I'm like, I don't know what you are. You're just like a glowing light and make everything feel like cool girl chic. So I was into it.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. I was thinking when her Saint Laurent campaign came out, I was like, should I do my hair that color? But the problem is I'm not. She has naturally light, pretty light hair. I don't. And I need to, I need to get darker again every. So I get darker and then it lightens because it gets brassy, which is a word I don't. You don't have to dye your hair, do you?

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

No. But I do think that brunette, when light hair goes into brunette, it's that like shocking moment that you're. I thought she looked great for all the Y. That was my question though, is I thought she was like a YSL girly with like slip dresses and or yeah. Do they just rotate it out?

[Lauren Sherman]

Well, to be honest, I don't know. And if someone who works with Hailey Bieber or one of these brands wants to tell me what how this happened. She she was the YSL campaign star. She wears a lot of YSL in the red carpet. Not always. She also wears a Lia because usually with these camp with these deals, you have some you can. There's some events. You can wear whatever you want. But I was surprised she did the campaign because to me, those are two, like, pretty direct competing brands in terms of, you want, like, a hot girl dress, you're gonna go to one of these. Someone theorized that perhaps when she did her YSL contract, Alaia was not a thing. And so it wasn't listed in the brands that you can't do work with. And so they just all got lucky. I kind of find that hard to believe, just because maybe it. I still think that there would be some sort of. You have to give a courtesy telling YSL that you're doing something with Alaia, that sort of thing. I have no idea. Maybe they gave her a pass because Peter Mueller was. Or how. You know, I'm never gonna pronounce that guy's surname correctly, but maybe it's because he. It was his last campaign and they. I have no idea. But anyway, she looked great.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

His last campaign, going out with Hailey Bieber, I mean, I feel. I have no idea. But to me, the YSL stuff or when they did the show last year, felt more casual. So perhaps it's like her day looks into her sort of more formal branding. But, yeah, I agree. If I was ysl, I would be. That would be a little.

[Lauren Sherman]

It's possible. And she also was wearing a really hot bathing suit in the YSL campaign. That's, like, the lead image. I love that campaign. I think it's so good. And I think that the Alaia campaign is incredible, too. She's amazing. And I love that in between, she did the interview cover, which I thought was great, and she looked good. And it was an interesting interview. Yes, it was such a great interview, too.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

I think she's. She is. She does a very good job at managing her celebrity. To me, as. As just a consumer of her, I don't write about her a lot because Rachel Strigetz writes all the Rhodes stuff. And I think generally, I mean, Rachel has a ball covering road. It's such an incredible phenomenon. But I think she does a good job at managing everything, especially given her marital status and who she's married to. And it's just extremely complex. And hats off to her for making everyone love her.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

She really has. And it's. And it's consistent. I just feel. She really feels like she knows herself now, and she feels like this woman, but with this, like, youthful spirit. I'm really. I'm into her.

[Lauren Sherman]

I mean, to her one thing she said that I believe in the interview. Interview. And I could be wrong. It could be some from somewhere else. Was that she's kind of over Pilates.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

Oh, she's a forma girly.

[Lauren Sherman]

Well, she was like, people just like go to random people and they don't know. They don't know anything about form. And I. I've got become a big Pilates person in the last two years and. And mostly for posture. Wow. To be honest. And now I like it for other things. And I do Legree here in Paris. It's. And it's hard, but it. Yeah, it just. I felt a little attacked by the trendy workouts, but, you know, there's no trendier workout than Burn.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

Wait, wait. I have so much to say on this one. She is a dancer, so I feel like she is allowed to have some swipes at Pilates because I do feel like the way we go to Burn classes and people are just on their phone in a heated room. I feel like in Pilates it's crazy too.

[Lauren Sherman]

Can I interrupt you for one second? Did you get the email from Burn where they were like, you are not allowed to be. They. They sent a new policy thing where they were like, the five minute courtesy is over. You have to be in the room. And also no more phones and texting during class.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

I did. And I want them to add Apple watches.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, yeah.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

I don't think that's.

[Lauren Sherman]

Why are you wearing them in there?

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

It's just. I don't like it. It makes me look at your, like, hand the whole time. For me to like, I need to not do that. And this is like a heated room. But. Okay, you've been. You haven't found your full workout in Paris, but you found Legree. Legree is hard.

[Lauren Sherman]

This. I go to this one called La Greeness and it is really hard. And. And they often will not speak English, which is helpful to me because I need to learn more French and I know how to say all the colors and I know right and left. So like general.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

They're giving you the. Yeah, yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

And honestly, I appreciate it. So a couple like there. I've been in French only classes where I completely. And they just come over and they're like, you're doing it wrong eventually. But. But that is my big. And then I do a traditional Pilates down the street and then I work out. I go to Basic Fit. The. I do my weights at Basic Fit. There's no Burn in. In Paris then.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

Yeah. There's no hot Pilates. There's no. Is there not even a Berries Right in Paris.

[Lauren Sherman]

I think there might be berries, but it's not around where I live.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

I feel like Haley is right about one thing though. I do feel like Pilates is for skinny people. You have to already be fit to then be able to enjoy Pilates to see the real results. And I. I agree, yes, posture and all that. But I think that is like an elevated work out when you're already in the mix. You can't just like casually go to Pilates classes. Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

You have to understand that it's not going to totally change the way your body looks if you're not real thin, which is fine. Like any body should go to Pilates and enjoy it. But I think it is when you're thinner, you can see the changes more clearly. Which again, not body shaming anyone. Everyone should go to Pilates and enjoy themselves.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

What's the Ozempic Paris scene like?

[Lauren Sherman]

Body type non existent.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

How fun.

[Lauren Sherman]

It's just cigarettes.

[Sophia Rivka Rossi]

Yeah, cigarettes are very back. I'm happy to see Zinn sort of go away. I didn't like the Zin.

[Lauren Sherman]

I think it's. I prefer just being honest about the cigarette. And I also just think people enjoy them more. Everyone who's.