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Lauren Sherman
Hello and welcome to fashion people. I'm Lauren Sherman, runner of Puck's fashion and beauty memo line sheet. And today with me on the show is who what wears? Hillary Kerr, the ringers, Amanda Dobbins and stylist Jamie Mizrahi. We are talking Oscars.
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Hillary Kerr
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Lauren Sherman
Happy Tuesday, everyone. Hope you had a great weekend. I will be brief or I'll try to be brief because we have a whole fashion police style panel here to discuss the Oscars. And I want to get right to it, but I did want to give you a little retail report from Berlin where I spent a couple of days. I realized I had not been to Berlin in 18 years. We hilariously ate at the same restaurant for lunch one day. It was still pretty good. It was olive or olives or something like that. It was cute. Anyway, I had a lot of good wine and good food on this trip and I went to many different stores because I was on vacation. I didn't buy anything for myself, just clothes at Arkit for my kid, which anytime there's an arket with kids clothes, I buy some stuff. But I will say that it was fun to be in a city where people can still afford to live. In terms of shopping. I went to Andres Mercurtis, Andreas Mercutis. That's what I'm gonna go with for the first time. And I just was taken aback by how influential that store has obviously been on other concept shops around the world, like totokaio rip. It really reminded me of That I also was thinking a lot about how the stores like that don't really have that many options of what to sell these days. Like, they're not gonna sell even the big brands that do wholesale. They're not going to like, go for them. Like, Maxfield can sell me this. This store is not like that. They had a lot of Dries, Berena, a lot of Yoji, which I'm paying close attention to because I'm really looking for a Yoji jacket right now. Blazer. Younger brands like Hodakova, but the options are kind of dwindling. I mean, it's the reality of. Of the industry anyway. I mostly went to vintage shops, which is another reality of the industry. There was a fun one called Yummy that was like run by an Italian person, mostly sold Italian brands and they had Versace jeans, yellow jeans. And I texted Becky Malinsky about them and she was like, you have to buy. I didn't buy them because I'm not really buying anything right now unless it's a. The perfect Yoji jacket. I didn't buy them. They were like Dario Vitale style. They were like €100. If you can go to Berlin and buy these jeans, you should buy them. And there was also a pair of Armani men's chinos that I almost bought for myself. And I tried to get other people to buy them. They were also like 120 year olds. They were perfect. They had tags on, really gorgeous. And I'm just realizing being in Paris now that like, a lot of the vintage shops in Paris are really expensive. We're not in Los Angeles anymore with Scout. Anyway. Another storm Berlin I really loved was Hart H A R D T where I tried two Yoji blazers. I tried a bunch of Jill Sanders stuff. I'm really on the hunt for a Yoji blazer right now. And there was one, the one of them I almost bought, but it wasn't exactly right. If you know of a black Yoji blazer, I would like to spend less than €300 on it. Hit me up. I want black for sure. And I want it to be I don't care one it's from as long as it fits me. Well. Anyway, thanks to the guys at a kind of guys for making a shopping list for me. I also went to our la, which is a great store, really nice menswear, and they had a lot of other cute things, including their own wine and their own jams and stuff. It was really nice to be there. I also went to our Legacy, which, you know I think it's really nicely done. It's not for me. I don't know if it was ever for me, but I'm definitely too old for it now. Anyway, Berlin's a really interesting city. You should check it out if you can get over there. And now let's get going with the fashion police. Amanda, Hillary, and Jamie, welcome to Fashion People.
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Hillary Kerr
Thanks for having us.
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Lauren Sherman
So before we get started, I wanted to preface this with the idea for. This came from a conversation that Jamie and I had when Jamie was on the podcast last fall where she was like, why don't you have like a Joan Rivers style panel of people after the, after the Oscars? And at that moment, I basically forced her to say yes to do it and then was thinking about, like, who else would be good? And Hillary, you're so good at red carpet commentary. I always love having you on. And Amanda, obviously you and I converse about this kind of stuff daily. And you are a super podcaster, so I thought the three of you would be great. It would be nice to have some male energy in here. But it didn't happen this time. Mel on Berg is too busy, so
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Jamie Mizrahi
he would have been a good ad.
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Lauren Sherman
He would be. Maybe next time we'll do it.
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Amanda Dobbins
I don't know, Mel, but I'm still. He was so great in the Moment, the Charlie XCX film. So I was looking forward to just being able to tell him that via Zoom. But next.
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Jamie Mizrahi
Well, now he knows.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah, he's definitely listening. So. Okay, ladies, before we talk about our favorites, I would love to hear each of your takes on how you thought the carpet was. Because I went on CBS news, like the 24 hour thing, not the proper live or anything. And I was pretty positive about the red carpet. But then I was like, was I too nice about what happened last night? But I'm curious what you all think. You have some such different perspectives of how, like from the. Maybe the whole weekend, like there were so many events the night before. There was the Chanel thing, there was the Dior thing, there was. There were luncheons, all these things that. And then all the way up to the Vanity Fair, which is almost as big of a red carpet moment as the Oscars itself. But I'm curious what you all took away from the evening. Hillary, what was your big idea from this Oscars 2026?
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Hillary Kerr
No shade to the Oscars, but I actually think the Vanity Fair red carpet is the more important carpet because it's more diverse, it has more risk taking going on. I just think it's more interesting in general. Oftentimes, I prefer the Vanity Fair look to the Oscars look, so that's my hot take. Not to be like pro media, but I am, so that's how I feel about things. Overall, I was pleasantly surprised to see so much color. I always love color. That makes me really happy. I thought that there's, you know, it's the Oscars, so it's never going to be the most amazing moment on the red carpet, in my opinion. I think people tend to play it safe. But I love seeing. I mean, this is. Was a great moment for Dior, great moment for Chanel, great moment for Vuitton. It was. There was a lot of great stuff going on, so I overall was pleased. I was not. Was it the best look of all time? No. Were there lots of amazing looks?
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Lauren Sherman
Yes.
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Hillary Kerr
But part of that has to do with who was nominated, you know, that's true.
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Lauren Sherman
And everybody's looking real tight lately, so all the dresses were, like, really good. Jamie, what did you think? You styled some people for these events, and so you have an interesting point of view. But what did you think overall?
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Jamie Mizrahi
Well, my issue is I'm working until the show starts, so I'm not sitting there watching it in real time. So I'm kind of like looking at the photos after the fact or when they're at the show is kind of the first time I'm seeing the dresses and the looks. Like, it was only until this morning that I saw Teyana Taylor Chanel look. I just miss things because it's such a busy day to work, but I actually thought a lot of the Oscars dresses. I kind of disagree with you, Hillary, because I thought they were fashion like I was. I thought Renata felt not like a typical Oscar dress. I thought Emma felt a little more like conservative and simple and 90s and Gwynis. It kind of gave me certain people, gave me this old school thing that I've been wanting from the Oscars, where it's not these strapless ball gowns that are very what the Oscars have become in the last 10 years, which I appreciate.
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Hillary Kerr
Yeah, we didn't see a ton of mermaids, and in that sense, I think that's great. There's more than there used to be. But still, there are fashion moments. But it's not the Met Gala. I guess that's what I'm always comparing it to in my head, you know?
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah. Amanda, what say you?
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Jamie Mizrahi
Well, she's just. I see her face and I'm excited for.
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Amanda Dobbins
No, I think you Know, I think Hilary and Jamie both spotlighted some of my favorite looks of the night, which I won't spoil because we were asked for pair three. But I would say my favorite looks were sort of an exception.
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Lauren Sherman
I.
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Amanda Dobbins
Because I cover the movies and watch the show and probably more focused on the Oscars carpet and show looks than Vanity Fair. But I found it to be a dearth of color, and I find myself increasingly like Dame Anna in my dotage. It's too much black. Black doesn't work.
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Lauren Sherman
And who was wearing black and white but Anna?
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Amanda Dobbins
I know. So I found that I responded to the moments of color at the show as well. You guys are both right. That there were fewer persons prom dresses, for lack of a better word. And I think that's always a good thing. I guess in that sense, it was fashion forward. Because of my friendship with Lauren. I think I'm more immersed in Fashion week and Runway stuff than I used to be. And so it was interesting to, you know, it was Chanel versus Dior to some extent, on the. On the stage or among the nominees. And it was fun to see who was wearing what and who was interpreting them, and, you know, like a mini version of what seem to be the Runway wars that are happening in Europe now that I enjoy. But, yeah, I just. I would like more color. I think it's the Oscars, and, you know, it's not the Met Gala, but for actors and actresses, it is kind of the Met Gala, or it is. It's Hollywood's biggest night, as they say, and everyone just kind of looked a little sludgy together.
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Lauren Sherman
You know, it's funny. I also. I was just looking at line sheet for Monday, the lineup of the photos that I chose for the looks, and it was all black and white. There was not one color. I thought red and green were pretty prominent, especially at Vanity Fair. There was tons of red. And I think that has to do with. Speaking of the Runway, Mattieu Blasey's the. The red and green being a thing that he kind of has made at Chanel. And I noticed that more especially red and also just, like, a lot of embellishment, because that is something that's happening on the Runway a lot as well. But I also. Hannah Goldfield, I writer at the New Yorker, DM me and said, why was there so much black and white? And I said, I honestly think it was just. There's a lot of black on the Runway right now. Like, people are just wearing a lot of black right now in their own wardrobes. And so it Felt to me, like a little reflective of that. But that's interesting that Hillary, that you saw the more color and.
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Jamie Mizrahi
Yeah, I also wanted more white than black. Like, do you not agree?
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
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Hillary Kerr
So much white.
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Lauren Sherman
Yes, there was a lot of white.
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Jamie Mizrahi
So much white, which I always like,
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Hillary Kerr
which is a color to me also.
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Lauren Sherman
True, true. And also, I mean, the one thing that I talked about, and we don't have to get super into this in on this episode, because we have a lot of ground to cover, but someone mentioned to me, like, just, like, the corporatization of this process, like, it pretty much now it's all big brands. And I thought that Monseigneur Fernando Garcia and Laura Kim's brand that, you know, they just left Oscar de la Renta. They had two really nice looks, including Jennifer Goodwin at the Oscars, and she looked great. And then also, you know, I can't remember anyone's names. Kristen, she's a wig. Kristen Wiig at the Vanity Fair. And I thought it was a really cool dress, but generally, I think that it's not. It's. This is not new. It's not easy for these younger designers to get placement at the Oscars, especially because, like, it's not even about having a contract. You to be able to make a dress that looks is gonna look good and have an atelier that can, like, help a stylist and their tailors make it work is just really hard for a young designer. And the amount of work that is
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Jamie Mizrahi
put into it, that kind of goes back to what I was saying. If you look at the oscars in the 90s, right?
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
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Jamie Mizrahi
People were wearing slick dresses and things that you could tell that they procured on their own. Like, it wasn't this thing that I'm like, will we ever go back to that? Yeah.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah. I think that it's like, the question now is, well, this is a business, and we are all participants in this business, and you can't really extract yourself from the fact that these actors need to get contracts because the movies they make don't pay them what they used to pay. And it is just. This is the reality of it. So can we make the red carpet interesting in that framework? I think the question I'm asking myself, I think the answer is, yes, we'll get into it. But Kirsten Dunst in Celine is a great example of. I thought she looked awesome, and it was. She was just. It was a great example of, like, she looked amazing. She has amazing personal style. Everything Michael Rider's doing at Celine is about personal style. And so that was like the perfect red carpet moment to me. But I think it's harder to pull that off when it is so much about the business side of it. So we'll see.
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Hillary Kerr
But I have hope also, don't you think that. I think part of what made it perfect as well is because she wasn't there for her own project. She was there supporting her husband. So it, like it should be a little bit of a subtler moment than if it was for her, in my opinion.
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Jamie Mizrahi
Yeah.
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Lauren Sherman
Yes. Yes.
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Jamie Mizrahi
Yeah, she did. She did the right thing in that scenario.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
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Jamie Mizrahi
It is a choice. Yes. And I, and I guarantee if she was nominated, she wouldn't have worn a black, you know, she wouldn't have worn that. Yeah.
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Hillary Kerr
It's true.
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Lauren Sherman
So let's get into our favorite looks. Amanda, do you wanna start? I feel like Kirsten Dunst might have been on your list, so you.
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Amanda Dobbins
Well, you texted me about it this morning, so I assume she's gonna be on your list. And I think what Hillary and Jamie were saying about context and that she's there. Listen, I will never call my beloved Kirsten Kiki Dunst, who I do not know but worship a plus one. But she was there, as she was not there for her own film. She was there, you know, to have fun, to add some glamour to the festivities. That said, I didn't love the black, I think, and she's been wearing black for the most part all season long. Cause she's been at a lot of these. And I even find that the black with the. What were the big sleeves? Lauren, Who? The pink sleeves?
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Jamie Mizrahi
Valentino, remember?
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Lauren Sherman
Oh, Valentino. Valentino.
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Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, the Valentino. I find that even I, like, responded to the. The little bit of zhuzh that she gave her black look over the season. But, yeah, listen, she looks amazing. I didn't go with her, though. My first was already mentioned and is also, I think, one of the contract players. But I thought it really worked out, which was Renata Renzvi in Louis Vuitton, who I thought that it fit her, the actress, the personality, as I understand it, and also her vibe as the cool Norwegian actress in the best international feature win. And fits the character, if you've seen the movie, who is at a remove throughout. And she looked really hot. And I liked the design and again, color. There just. There wasn't that much of it. So I thought she looked great. And I actually, she also looked very hot at the Vanity Fair party, but I am, of course, talking about her actual Oscar ceremony look.
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Jamie Mizrahi
I'm with you. It also didn't feel like an Oscar. Like, it didn't feel like this overwhelming Oscar. Like, there is something really simple and chic about it.
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Hillary Kerr
She's on my list too, but I
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Jamie Mizrahi
think Micola is really great at seeing the films and really, like getting into that character and being like, okay, how. How should this connect on the carpet?
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Hillary Kerr
And I love the storytelling. I've been watching what Carla has done with her for this whole season, and it's all been this, like, minimalist, interesting, but still thoughtful futurism. A lot of it, obviously is with gas gear, but a lot of it is not. And all of it has had that sort of cool girl through Line minimal with some sheer detailing. And so I thought this was like the perfect culmination of it.
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Lauren Sherman
My. My favorite iteration of that was the Simone Rocha at the event over the weekend. I just loved it. Yes. I thought it was so. It also was very scandy of like what. What is popular in those cultures? Like, you could almost see her putting a pair of sneakers on with it.
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Amanda Dobbins
Yeah. Am I allowed to wear those Asics from sentimental value? I keep meaning to ask you, of course.
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Lauren Sherman
Like.
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Amanda Dobbins
But you know, am I. Is it. Is it too much? Are they too big or can I, a lay mom, wear those?
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Jamie Mizrahi
Lauren doesn't she.
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Amanda Dobbins
Does she.
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Jamie Mizrahi
She doesn't think you should, is the reason.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah. That's just asking. I need to see them. I don't remember them.
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Amanda Dobbins
Okay. You moved to Paris. I can't ask you in person, so. Okay.
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Lauren Sherman
I don't remember them. I'm gonna look them up. But I do remember thinking that I thought it was interesting that Elle Fanning was. Her wardrobe was provided by Saint Laurent. And our joke was Renata Runsby's wardrobe was provided by ARKit, which is the H and M owned uniqlo thing that I'm obsessed with. It just. I was like, she just wear.
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Jamie Mizrahi
You mentioned. So fun in the last 20 minutes.
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Lauren Sherman
Yeah. I'm obsessed with ARKit.
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Jamie Mizrahi
We know.
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Lauren Sherman
It's the best place to buy kids clothes in the whole world. I've gone in two countries already in actually three countries in Europe since I've arrived here on February 21st. I'll look up the sneakers and I'll let you know. But that's interesting.
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Amanda Dobbins
I. I liked.
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Lauren Sherman
I liked it would. Amanda. What? Maybe. You know what? Let's move on. Hillary, you. Let's. Let's hopscotch around. Hillary, you had Renata on your list. Who else was on your list?
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Hillary Kerr
So I am a romantic. And also I love black and white, even though I just said I like color. So for me, it was actually Rose Byrne in Dior and Teyana Taylor Chanel. So those. I love those two. I just thought beautifully executed. I love the craftsmanship. I love the texture and the detail. Those were my two.
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Lauren Sherman
I loved Roseburn and Chanel.
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Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
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Lauren Sherman
I mean, no, I. Sorry. I loved Roseburn in Dior. I thought it was great. I thought it was the best. I thought Mia Goff looked really good in Dior too. And I'm not just saying that because you're here. Jamie. I thought that dress was beautiful.
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Amanda Dobbins
It was my favorite of the white
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Jamie Mizrahi
looks for you were just skirt over it.
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Lauren Sherman
And I Loved. I actually love the Vanity Fair one because it's a little weirder because she has like a kind of a, like, weird girl vibe. And. And I mean that as a compliment. And I thought that the Dior, the, like, bustle on the black dress was really, really fun. But I love.
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Jamie Mizrahi
To me, to me, she's a fashion girl. To me, she can. She can play with things. And I also think there's like kind of this Frankenstein through line of, like, trying to be romantic and a bit gothic but ethereal. That was the goal through the whole thing.
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Lauren Sherman
She looked fab. But back to Rose for a minute,
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Hillary Kerr
and I thought that Kate.
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Lauren Sherman
Oh, my God, that Taffen.
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Hillary Kerr
It was a beautiful Taffin piece that
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Jamie Mizrahi
was such a chic. Like, I noticed when. When she came out, I was like, very cool to wear Taffen.
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Hillary Kerr
Yeah.
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Jamie Mizrahi
I was like, respect, unexpected. The Cartier, Tiffany, all this. It's like, it was like, I see you and I appreciate this.
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Lauren Sherman
Agreed. And I just thought it was, like, the best example of, you know, Dior. The first couple months of the red carpet were really tough, and I think, like, if you asked Jonathan Anderson about it, he probably would say, acknowledge that it was, like, a slow start. But I think that they really nailed it with FIT last night with all the dresses. And also the. Obviously the men's stuff was good too. But I just thought, like, that was a great example of couture being reinterpreted for the Runway. And then shout out to Cate Young, who. I don't. Rose Byrne seems lovely. And Amanda, I know she was your pick for best actress. I. I think she doesn't seem like a person who. She's not. She's not as Jamie, as you said. She's. She doesn't seem like a fashion girl. And I think Kate has done a really good job of just making her look really good in beautiful dresses that. Like a person who saw if I had legs and kick you. Whatever.
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Amanda Dobbins
It's my head, like, side kick you. Yeah.
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Lauren Sherman
I think we're seeing this movie because it's. I think I'd be depressed. But this movie about, like 40 something moms who have a tough time. I think all the people who relate to that movie would love what she's been wearing. And I just think Kate's done a really good job dressing her. I loved it, and I also love Teyana Taylor, and I just. She has so much personal style, and I think she really took advantage of the sort of technique stuff that Matu Blasi is doing at Chanel, but, like, made it her own, and I really appreciated that too.
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Jamie Mizrahi
You always love Tiana. You have, like, a real. She's like, you're one.
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Lauren Sherman
She just always looks good. No matter how goofy is.
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Jamie Mizrahi
She just is beautiful and cool and
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Amanda Dobbins
wears clothes and can wear anything.
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Hillary Kerr
She's incredible. I also want a special shout out to Pedro Pascal because that was the.
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Lauren Sherman
Oh, my God.
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Hillary Kerr
That was my favorite men's look.
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Amanda Dobbins
That's one of my three.
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Jamie Mizrahi
Aw, thank you.
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Amanda Dobbins
It was awesome.
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Jamie Mizrahi
Did you see the change into the scarf after? Or did no one see it? Because I. We got in a fight about it. I was like. I was like, can you do one on the carpet and one when you present? And he was like, I just love this so much. I just want to wear it on the carpet in the present. And I was like, okay, you have to do it af. I was like, you're either going to Vanity Fair or you have to change after you present. And so he changed after he presented. Well, he just threw on a vest and a jacket and, you know my Jack Nicholson reference of the scarf that, like, purple scarf over. Yeah, of course, like, the most perfect and. And Chanel, like, made the most beautiful brocade, like, like, lilac colored scarf. And when I saw him sitting in the stands, I was like, no one's gonna see this, but I see it, and I appreciate you.
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Amanda Dobbins
No, Jamie. What I liked about it was of all of the Chanel looks, it most replicated the feeling that I've had looking at the Chanel Runway, being like, no, no, no, I wanna wear that. And I don't think I could wear most of the Chanel things that were shown last night, and certainly not at the Chanel dinner, which maybe we can talk about at some point. But some of the fits just that we. I guess we ran out of time.
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Jamie Mizrahi
But
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Amanda Dobbins
it worked. I understood it. I had a yearning to where he looked so comfortable. And it also. I recognized it instantly. I was like, oh, he's doing Chanel. It's very fun. So I thought it was a great interpretation.
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Hillary Kerr
Also, I feel like, Jamie, you kicked off so much of men in brooches as the trend has been, and now everyone is doing it. So I also love the fact that it felt like the next iteration of,
- [27:51]
Lauren Sherman
like, you want brooch?
- [27:52]
Amanda Dobbins
Here we go.
- [27:52]
Jamie Mizrahi
I'm trying to go in. I'm trying to go into flowers. I'm trying to go into real flowers.
- [27:56]
Hillary Kerr
And that's what felt great for me. I noticed that. I was like, okay, she's gone from one to the next thing. Because now everyone's doing the thing. And by the way, funny, I got
- [28:04]
Jamie Mizrahi
in a. I gotten like a little tiff with Jeremy last night as he was leaving and I was like, you're wearing. You're wearing this Boucheron vintage brooch. And he was like, everyone wears a brooch. I was like, I. I started wearing.
- [28:16]
Amanda Dobbins
You're wearing a bucket brooch.
- [28:18]
Lauren Sherman
Here I am.
- [28:19]
Hillary Kerr
I'm giving you credit. I'm calling you out for that.
- [28:21]
Lauren Sherman
Thank you.
- [28:21]
Jamie Mizrahi
But I think the next. We need. We need other options which I think are like Eric Budabaugh will like wrap a flower in silk and make a little boutonniere. And I'm like, this is really nice. And last night I saw Dan Constable and I was like, I see you.
- [28:36]
Hillary Kerr
Yeah.
- [28:37]
Jamie Mizrahi
Did you see him? I don't know if he posted anything
- [28:41]
Hillary Kerr
of himself, but by the way, I just want to say I also love man jewelry. So I want men to wear brooches. I want them to have more flair. I want it to be interesting. Am not mad at this trend that you have started. P.S.
- [28:51]
Jamie Mizrahi
can I say I thought Michael B. Jordan's. I thought Michael B. Jordan was fantastic and I thought his coat was really interesting and I really appreciated his outfit.
- [29:01]
Lauren Sherman
I thought he and Ryan co. Both looked really good.
- [29:05]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [29:05]
Jamie Mizrahi
Yeah. And they were both wearing one of my tops.
- [29:09]
Lauren Sherman
Who else? Jamie.
- [29:12]
Jamie Mizrahi
It's very me. But. But Gwenneth and Emma, it's just.
- [29:16]
Amanda Dobbins
Well, sure, yeah.
- [29:17]
Jamie Mizrahi
You know, they both look great.
- [29:20]
Amanda Dobbins
They do.
- [29:20]
Jamie Mizrahi
Tiana, I would say as well. Especially after. I just appreciated the simplicity of Gwyneth and the hair and the strapless and the side. And I just thought it was nice.
- [29:36]
Hillary Kerr
I loved Emma.
- [29:38]
Jamie Mizrahi
Yeah.
- [29:39]
Hillary Kerr
The shoulder in the back and. Ah, it was so good.
- [29:44]
Jamie Mizrahi
But yeah. Michael B. There was someone. There was someone. Hold on, I gotta look through my. I don't know. I have like an appreciation for the men too. I always loved Jacob. He's just like tall and handsome and I love him in a bottom like vest with. It's just. It's just cool to me.
- [30:05]
Amanda Dobbins
The mustaches last night on Elordie.
- [30:07]
Lauren Sherman
No.
- [30:08]
Amanda Dobbins
Did you.
- [30:09]
Jamie Mizrahi
I leave a meme of where it was like Pedro gave his facial hair to Leo.
- [30:14]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [30:14]
Jamie Mizrahi
It like really got me. I loved it.
- [30:19]
Lauren Sherman
I like a mustache, to be honest.
- [30:20]
Amanda Dobbins
I do too. I guess it's like a Tom Selleck thing. I guess. I don't know. But I was very into it.
- [30:26]
Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
- [30:27]
Amanda Dobbins
From both of them last night. I've got one more.
- [30:31]
Lauren Sherman
Yes, please. Amanda.
- [30:32]
Amanda Dobbins
So this is in the. You're gonna go and let's really go for it. So Miyako Belizzi, who is the costume designer of Marty supreme, which, by the way, should have won in a vintage Dior dress. It. Just listen, she's there for costume designing and can wear vintage Dior by Galliano, and she looks awesome. And it has a little bit of that. I mean, it's a beautifully cut, not quite slip dress. And I don't think that. I mean, maybe she did do this by herself, since this is her job, but it has that feel of people used to show up. Not in ball gowns. People just used to show up in really, really cool stuff. This is obviously. And this is obviously more designed, but she just looks fashiony and incredibly beautiful and not like anyone else there, and I think she deserves an Oscar.
- [31:29]
Lauren Sherman
So, guys, I'm so happy to report that Miyako is the Friday guest on Fashion People.
- [31:34]
Amanda Dobbins
Oh, my God, I'm so jealous.
- [31:37]
Lauren Sherman
Yeah, Invite Amanda.
- [31:39]
Jamie Mizrahi
She wants to come.
- [31:40]
Amanda Dobbins
No, I just know. I just want to listen to it. You know, that's what I. If I'm on, I can't listen. Okay.
- [31:46]
Jamie Mizrahi
Also, Paul. Paul Mezcal and Gracie Abrams are cool. To me, they look such a cute couple. I'm obsessed with them. Like, I. They. They can do no wrong in their street style, their carpet style. I'm a fan.
- [31:58]
Lauren Sherman
My. My top three. I. I really had five, but one of them was Gracie Abrams both nights. The only people that we haven't talked about that, that I mentioned is I think Elle Fanning and Timmy and Givenchy were both great. Like, I think that Givenchy red carpet is so good, and it's the best thing that's happening at Givenchy right now. A lot of people really love the Sarah Burton's latest collection. That's for another podcast, but. But I think that their red carpet is fantastic. And I think, again, I'm obsessed with this idea of these brands that aren't like, the big three, and how do you engage with celebrity in a meaningful way? And I just think that, like, the relationship between Elle and Givenchy has been developing over this.
- [32:49]
Jamie Mizrahi
Yeah.
- [32:49]
Lauren Sherman
Yeah. And I think Ellen. I just think she. She has an amazing body. She, like, wears stuff that you can tell she really loves the clothes she wears. And I think she always just. I like when she. She was wearing Gucci a lot recently. I like that, too. But I thought they both looked really, really good. And shout out to the team that works on the Givenchy red carpet stuff, including Sarah Burton, but also everybody around her, because I think they're doing an excellent job. With it. And, Jamie, I don't know if you, like, have any thoughts on working with them in particular, but from. From my perspective, it's like, my love professional.
- [33:28]
Jamie Mizrahi
We didn't just. Back to brooches for one second. I'd like to talk about Adrian Brody's brooch. And that is when I have to say, not even, like, nagging anything, but, like, that's when you take a brooch too far.
- [33:43]
Amanda Dobbins
There are a lot of things that he took too far last night and last year. So, yeah, it's the. It's a bit that didn't really land.
- [33:51]
Lauren Sherman
I didn't notice because I just saw Georgina and I was like, oh, my God, that lady owes so many. So many people money. According to the lawsuits, I. You know, just according to lawsuits, that's what it says, is that her company owes people money and they're still on the red carpet. That's all I could think about. So I didn't see his brooch, so I need to look at it right now. Wow. Yeah. And it's also the bleached blonde hair combined.
- [34:17]
Jamie Mizrahi
No, it's just the brooch for me. I didn't even see the hair.
- [34:19]
Amanda Dobbins
And then he came on the tv
- [34:21]
Jamie Mizrahi
and I was like, woo.
- [34:22]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah. He did a whole thing in the ceremony where he was, like, getting some papers out of that pocket, that breast pocket. So the brooch was, like, moving back and forth also. It was really center stage.
- [34:34]
Hillary Kerr
Highly implemented. Lauren. I also loved Elle's Givenchy. I mean, the dress that I would be most likely to buy out of pocket is her Vanity Fair black dress, which I know black, but, like, I thought that was phenomenal also. I just want to say I loved her vintage wisteria diamond Cartier necklace that she wore on the red carpet. I. I love diamonds. I love giant diamonds. I love big sparkle. I just want everyone to wear as much jewelry as possible. It is the magpie in me, and so I always get excited. Excited when I see big diamonds on a regular.
- [35:12]
Amanda Dobbins
You know, no one really talked about
- [35:14]
Jamie Mizrahi
or is talking about was Nicole Kidman. Like, I feel like,
- [35:19]
Lauren Sherman
yeah, I liked her Vanity Fair look better than the.
- [35:23]
Jamie Mizrahi
I didn't even see it. I'm gonna look. It's good.
- [35:25]
Amanda Dobbins
I'm reverse.
- [35:27]
Lauren Sherman
Oh, interesting. Yeah.
- [35:28]
Amanda Dobbins
I liked this ceremony. Like, the. It's from certain angles, the Vanity Fair.
- [35:33]
Jamie Mizrahi
I'm with Amanda from I Am Team Amanda.
- [35:35]
Amanda Dobbins
From certain angles, the Vanity Fair looked sort of like a schmada. You know, it's. And that's Nicole Kidman, one of the most beautiful women in the world.
- [35:44]
Lauren Sherman
So, yeah.
- [35:46]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [35:47]
Lauren Sherman
I just like that gold texture. Fritz is here, guys. Fritz. I'm doing work. Look, it's Amanda.
- [35:53]
Amanda Dobbins
Hi, Fritzi.
- [35:56]
Jamie Mizrahi
Okay, we're now doing a Vanity Fair, like, quick deep dive Tiana. Yeah.
- [36:02]
Lauren Sherman
You know what I loved at Vanity Fair was Kate Hudson in Gucci.
- [36:10]
Jamie Mizrahi
She loves that you. Love you.
- [36:12]
Lauren Sherman
I love.
- [36:13]
Jamie Mizrahi
I love her and everything because I just love her so much. So I. She can do no wrong in my. I'm so. You know, when you're jet. You know, someone's like, deserves this, is enjoying it, is grateful for it has worked her out. Like, I'm just like, I have no. I have no notes on just her. Her. The way she goes about her life and does things. And I think it's really cool, you
- [36:39]
Lauren Sherman
know, I like her because she's one of those celebrities who doesn't have to have a publicist on. When you talk to her, you interview her for something because you know what? She doesn't need anyone.
- [36:47]
Jamie Mizrahi
She's the best.
- [36:48]
Lauren Sherman
She's a pro.
- [36:49]
Jamie Mizrahi
She's the best. She's just a real. A real down gal. Oh, I didn't see Rose Byrne at Vanity Fair. I like. I like that.
- [36:57]
Amanda Dobbins
I like it as well.
- [36:59]
Jamie Mizrahi
Black, but still. I like it when there's embellishment. It's a pass.
- [37:02]
Amanda Dobbins
Also, listen, I had to get dressed last night, and I also wore. I wore navy blue so dark. It. Red is black. So, like, who am I to. Who am I to judge? But I get it. But you're nominated for an Oscar.
- [37:17]
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- [38:20]
Lauren Sherman
What else were you all excited about? Or were you, I don't know, thinking about this weekend? Hillary, you. You. I Know, you all have, like, a war room where you're combing through all this stuff.
- [38:34]
Hillary Kerr
Yes, we do. There is a Slack channel going. There are text messages going. There are DMs going. I'm harassing stylist friends and PR friends, and unfortunately, my incredible team probably wishes I was out of stock Slack, but I'm not. I'm, like, in there making sure that all of the details are correct. I feel I, I, it is definitely something I should not be doing at this point in my career or life, but I just love the details of it so much, and I care about us getting it right so much. So I am that person who's, like, sitting on my couch frantically with multiple screens going, watching, texting, slacking, looking up, doing all of the research like an absolute fiend.
- [39:22]
Lauren Sherman
It's so fun. Well, what did you like that? What was the thing that kind of poked out the most this time for you?
- [39:30]
Hillary Kerr
Honestly, like, to be. For me, Teyana's whole run has been the thing. Like, I have just enjoyed every moment of it. I love her. I love her energy. I love how playful she is on the red carpet. I love that she can wear the most extravagant thing and she's still wearing it. It's not wearing her. She seems like she's having a great time. Like, everything that she's doing is fun and fresh and vibrant and alive. So she's been, she's been it for me.
- [40:01]
Jamie Mizrahi
Her and her end chase. Just like the attitudes and the personality, it's very refreshing and it's fun. And you can tell they're having fun in everything they wear and they're enjoying being there. That's what I felt a lot from these, these, the people nominated.
- [40:20]
Lauren Sherman
Right.
- [40:20]
Jamie Mizrahi
Like, like they're happy to be there.
- [40:23]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah. I agree that both Teyana and, and Chase, who I wanted to talk about from last night, have also. They have embraced the opportunity all season long to wear great clothes and to look great in them. And I, I really liked the Chase infinity look last night because, you know, she's obviously very young and the young star of the Best Picture winner, one battle after another. But she plays a teenager in that film. She's a bit older in real life, but that can be kind of like the age appropriate. On the younger thing can be a tricky line. And it looked, it looked like elevated prom gown in the right way, if that makes any sense. There was a tiny bit of youthfulness to it. Um, but still fashion forward. I liked, obviously, the color. Once again, color. Say it with me. Um, and I Mean, she looked beautiful, but it just. It felt she also looked, like, comfortable, and she was having fun in it. Yeah. Um, and that can be a really, really hard thing to do, especially with young. Young winners who just often wind up in ball gowns. So I. But all season long, she's been wearing great clothes and looking amazing.
- [41:36]
Hillary Kerr
Wait for. Why haven't we talked about Jesse Buckley? Because that's some color. By the way, red and pink is the. I feel like has now been this. This is the second time that we've seen that for an Oscar winner. Isn't that what Emma Stone was wearing when she wore an Oscar, maybe for a different award season?
- [41:52]
Amanda Dobbins
Maybe in the first one? Yes. She was wearing that long fan, like, mint.
- [41:56]
Lauren Sherman
That green dress.
- [41:57]
Amanda Dobbins
Green dress?
- [41:59]
Lauren Sherman
Really?
- [41:59]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [42:00]
Lauren Sherman
And I was, like, broke. It was really pretty.
- [42:02]
Jamie Mizrahi
It was. It was perfect. It was perfectly part of her speech.
- [42:06]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, I liked the Jesse Buckley. I didn't. It's not on my, like, top three, but I. I appreciated the color, and she has been wearing color all season.
- [42:17]
Lauren Sherman
I struggled with silence and, yeah, struggle.
- [42:21]
Amanda Dobbins
I didn't put it on my top three. I was glad that she was wearing color. I also, you know, it's on a sliding scale of Jessie Buckley for the season.
- [42:30]
Lauren Sherman
True. I would say it fit her, which is the first thing that is important because not everything she's worn has two. I love red and pink color combo. I thought the balance of the red and pink weren't correct. There was something incorrect. And this is like, I know I'm being extremely. Maybe I'm being pedantic here, but as, like, Daniel Goldberg's number one super fan, you're harshest on the people that you love the most. Jamie knows this also, but, like, I just.
- [43:04]
Jamie Mizrahi
I.
- [43:04]
Lauren Sherman
In the photos that Chanel published, the colors looked right, and it looked really good. I think on the red carpet, there was a. There was an imbalance with. I don't know, it was like, these two. This. Pink and red aren't meant to be together. I really liked her jewelry, and I thought her afterwards dress was very pretty, but I was. I was a little disappointed by it. I thought, honestly, even though that blue Dior someone. Someone today was like, you really. You really defended that blue Dior dress. The thing about that blue Dior dress was that, like, I didn't think that the fit was great, but I thought the color and the fabric, the material was really beautiful. And I.
- [43:47]
Jamie Mizrahi
You mean the Chanel? Do you mean the velvet?
- [43:49]
Lauren Sherman
No, I mean the Dior dress that she wore maybe to the Golden Globes
- [43:53]
Hillary Kerr
the one that ringed someone.
- [43:54]
Jamie Mizrahi
Oh, oh, oh, the brocade.
- [43:56]
Lauren Sherman
Yeah.
- [43:56]
Jamie Mizrahi
Someone.
- [43:56]
Lauren Sherman
It was like. Was the one that, like, poking me about it. Because. Because funnily. Because I. I said, you know, this wasn't my favorite. The Chanel wasn't my favorite. And they were like, you defended the Dior. And I was like, well, I. From.
- [44:11]
Amanda Dobbins
Wait, Hillary. Okay, thank you so much for saying this. I'm sorry, Lauren. I just interrupted.
- [44:16]
Jamie Mizrahi
You hear it?
- [44:17]
Amanda Dobbins
She said the one that wrinkled about five different times.
- [44:19]
Jamie Mizrahi
And I have.
- [44:22]
Lauren Sherman
No, no.
- [44:23]
Amanda Dobbins
Now I have fashion's best and brightest right in front of me. And so I would like to ask you all, how do you do. What are we doing about the wrinkles?
- [44:31]
Jamie Mizrahi
Because where you don't.
- [44:32]
Hillary Kerr
You can material.
- [44:36]
Amanda Dobbins
So the people who show up on the red carpet or who are photographed with wrinkles have made a poor decision in fabric.
- [44:43]
Jamie Mizrahi
Well, well, it's fabric for sure, but it's also stand in a sprinter and get to the carpet and do your photos. But if you are nominated and you. There's a potential of you having to stand up in the middle or the end of the show. Fabric is a very, very important consideration. Yeah.
- [45:02]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
- [45:03]
Jamie Mizrahi
And like Mikey Madison last year when she won, we did, like, a satin, but it had to be thick. Do you know what I mean? Like, it had to be to get up there and be able to take a picture. Yeah, it has. There's, like, fabric tests. You gotta do some fabric tests.
- [45:17]
Amanda Dobbins
Okay, thank you.
- [45:19]
Hillary Kerr
So that's why I'm being such a virgo about the wrinkles. I was like, no, I don't.
- [45:23]
Lauren Sherman
Like.
- [45:23]
Jamie Mizrahi
I.
- [45:23]
Hillary Kerr
It's human. But I. I'm mad.
- [45:26]
Lauren Sherman
All I'm saying is from the chest up, I thought that that blue was.
- [45:30]
Jamie Mizrahi
I think, like, the color on her was beautiful. The color on her was beautiful.
- [45:33]
Lauren Sherman
I would have loved to see her in the couture version of that blue dress. That.
- [45:39]
Jamie Mizrahi
Can I say, my favorite thing she wore this whole press run was that. I think it was Margiela.
- [45:45]
Lauren Sherman
Oh, yes.
- [45:46]
Amanda Dobbins
Was it Margiela?
- [45:48]
Jamie Mizrahi
To me, I want to see her body. I want her body to. She deserves that. She's a great body. And I actually think more of that for me is I thought that was great.
- [46:01]
Amanda Dobbins
Interestingly, that was for a different movie that was for the Bride, which is the recent. Which, you know, didn't fare that well critically or commercially.
- [46:13]
Jamie Mizrahi
And I say, I love it.
- [46:14]
Amanda Dobbins
That's great. You know what? We all go to the cinema to experience things.
- [46:19]
Jamie Mizrahi
I love the first half especially.
- [46:21]
Lauren Sherman
I just.
- [46:21]
Amanda Dobbins
I think that Jessie Buckley was The problem in it.
- [46:24]
Jamie Mizrahi
Okay.
- [46:25]
Amanda Dobbins
And. And I agree that she looked beautiful, but I just. In terms of that. That even that.
- [46:30]
Jamie Mizrahi
Look, I'm not a film connoisseur. Like, you seem like she.
- [46:34]
Amanda Dobbins
She was conceptualizing differently, like, for different press tours. Right. And that what she was wearing for the bride was different.
- [46:39]
Jamie Mizrahi
Well, then maybe I'm a bigger fan of the bride press.
- [46:42]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah.
- [46:43]
Lauren Sherman
I'm not going to be seeing that movie because Amanda said not to anyone.
- [46:49]
Amanda Dobbins
I was irritated. That was my experience of watching the film.
- [46:52]
Jamie Mizrahi
Really good. I'm a really good audience, I'll tell you that.
- [47:01]
Lauren Sherman
Okay, let's. I need to bring some energy back. Well, the energy is good, but I need a good segue because I think we should wrap up.
- [47:11]
Jamie Mizrahi
Oh, great.
- [47:13]
Lauren Sherman
When you're not scanning scripts, Jamie, and watching screeners, what do you think was, like, the big takeaway for you for this red carpet season? As an active participant and also as an observer? An observer.
- [47:30]
Jamie Mizrahi
I think that it was. I think it was fun, and it was kind of all over the place to me. I think it was. I think it was, dare I say, manic. Like, it just. There was no consistency with. With. With characters. Like, I. Like. I don't think that in the people nominated per se, that if you lined everything, each of them wore up, that there was real. A real story told, per se. But I enjoyed it. I enjoyed that. Like, every moment, you're like, oh, she's wearing that.
- [48:09]
Amanda Dobbins
Oh, she's wearing that.
- [48:10]
Jamie Mizrahi
Who's wearing Chanel to the. What's Rose Byrne gonna do? What's Renata? Well, we know Renata was doing Louis Vuitton. It's like, there were a few up in the air, people like Jessie Buckley and Rose and people who weren't signed to houses officially, where you were like, oh, okay, it's exciting. She's gonna do Dior. She's gonna do Chanel for this. Like, I enjoyed that, and I ju. I just thought it was. There were a lot of new actresses introduced to us this season that. That weren't necessarily fashion players before, like Rose, like Jesse, people you started. Like Teyana, like, people you started to pay attention to. And I thought that was fun and new and interesting.
- [48:53]
Hillary Kerr
Yeah.
- [48:53]
Lauren Sherman
And I think the other thing is, like, it was sort of. It was the season of debuts in September, so all these designers are sort of getting their footing. New red carpet strategies because they're new designers. And then in the middle of all this, we have this big Chanel. Chanel. New Chanel drops, and there's lines out the door. At Chanel on Rodeo, and everybody's shopping, and there's all these. There's the Dior party on Thursday with W. Then there was the Chanel Charles Finch party on Saturday. And, you know, it felt like these worlds have been merging for some time. And it really felt that, like, the first time to me, that you could really see the, like, business of fashion playing out against the business of entertainment, which are. They're in total places. But, yeah. Amanda, I'm curious what you think.
- [49:48]
Jamie Mizrahi
I also. I also think just. Just not to Just last thing. I think it was kind of difficult in the beginning of all this to get into. You gotta get a flow with people, you know, Like, I can work with Nicola all day long because he's been at Louis Vuitton for so long, and we get it. And it's just, you know, it's consistent, I think, with the new team at Dior and the new team at Chanel. It's like, everyone's great, but it takes a minute to get in the flow and build relationships in a different way with clients. And I just think it was tricky in the beginning because it wasn't as Everyone wasn't in the same place. You know, it's like when the studio boss leaves the studio, you have to deal with a new head of a studio and how they do things. And it was just getting. I think everyone slowly, towards the end, started getting in the groove.
- [50:39]
Hillary Kerr
And that's a very astute observation.
- [50:44]
Jamie Mizrahi
Okay, Amanda.
- [50:45]
Lauren Sherman
Sorry.
- [50:45]
Amanda Dobbins
Your turn.
- [50:46]
Jamie Mizrahi
Yeah.
- [50:46]
Amanda Dobbins
Oh, no, no, no. I mean, I was just gonna say, you know, as a devoted listener of fashion people and reader of line sheet, but not a fashion person, just a fashion watcher. It was exciting for me to see these. You know, I understand that they are business trends, but also what has felt like a pretty seismic shift in the last year in the world of fashion kind of make its way into a segment of pop culture where I could interact with it more. Not that I'm not looking at all the Runway shows and, you know, applauding Lauren on the purchase of her Chanel jacket, but to see. To see it crossover and honestly, to jump break containment of the fashion world and become a little bit more mainstream and to be like, oh, okay, so that was the Chanel, and that's the Dior. And this does feel like it's the Oscars. Put it in front of more. More people and make it a little bit more accessible than maybe a Paris Fashion week is. So. Which is, I guess, the point of dressing all these people and spending all this money on this stuff. But, you know, for me, it was exciting to see and exciting to follow throughout the season. And I think I'm pro. I'd like a flower brooch. So, you know, Jamie's done her work, and it was fine. It was a good season. It is what it is.
- [52:17]
Lauren Sherman
Yeah. Yeah. I think we all need a flat or brooch Sex and the City style. But I like. The reason I like Pedro's was because it was white on white.
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Amanda Dobbins
Okay.
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Hillary Kerr
You didn't.
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Jamie Mizrahi
There were feathers. It was like feathers. Wow. You got up close and a little CC on it. I got a cute brooch, I think, too.
- [52:39]
Hillary Kerr
Good.
- [52:39]
Lauren Sherman
You got to keep it. Ladies, this was so fun. Maybe we'll do this every season.
- [52:45]
Amanda Dobbins
Sounds great.
- [52:46]
Jamie Mizrahi
Maybe we do it a little later in the day, you know?
- [52:48]
Lauren Sherman
Yeah. Or I could just.
- [52:50]
Amanda Dobbins
Maybe someone could move back to our time zone.
- [52:52]
Jamie Mizrahi
Lauren texted me. Well, I guess you're in Paris, so it's different. I thought you were in New York. And I was like, okay, 7am she's awake. But it's Paris, so it was different.
- [53:02]
Lauren Sherman
Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, maybe next time I'll be in la, no matter what, because I don't want to miss carbs before the carpet. Hillary.
- [53:12]
Amanda Dobbins
Yeah, Hillary looked very fun.
- [53:14]
Hillary Kerr
Thank you. It was a delight. Dan's a genius.
- [53:18]
Lauren Sherman
Much love to Dan Constable at uta, who I'm sure looked great at all the parties last night.
- [53:25]
Jamie Mizrahi
He always has and had the time.
- [53:29]
Lauren Sherman
Okay, ladies, this was fun. I'll let you get back to your hangovers. Fashion People is a presentation of Odyssey in partnership with Puck. The show is produced and edited by Molly Nugent. Special thanks to Puck co founder John Kelly, executive editor Ben Landy, producer Maya Tribbett, and director of editorial operations, Gabby Grossman. An additional thanks to the team at Odysee, Kelly Turner, and Bob Tabador.
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