Timothée’s Vogue and Taylor’s Thom Browne

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Fashion People

Episode: Timothée’s Vogue and Taylor’s Thom Browne

Host: Lauren Sherman
Guest: Hunter Harris
Date: November 11, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of Fashion People dives into the state of celebrity fashion and media, focusing on Timothée Chalamet’s buzzed-about Vogue cover and Taylor Swift's recent Thom Browne ensemble. Host Lauren Sherman is joined by entertainment journalist and Substack author Hunter Harris for an insider’s chat on the unfiltered realities behind pop culture’s most-watched stars, peer-to-peer fashion rental, magazine nostalgia, and shifting industry power centers.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Catching Up: From Substack to Pop Culture

• Lauren introduces Hunter Harris, praising her must-read entertainment newsletter, "Hung Up" ([05:11]).
• Hunter reflects on leaving her job at New York Magazine to go independent in the early pandemic days, admitting, “A lot of therapy, a lot of talking to my parents, who were like, don’t do this. I was so nervous. But then I also was kind of like... nothing’s working. So, like, yeah, why not, like, try something different?” (Hunter, [05:51]).

2. Peer-to-Peer Fashion Rental: A Real Life Test

• Lauren recounts orchestrating a peer-to-peer borrow of coveted The Row thigh-high boots for a New York trip ([08:08]).
• Discusses the business feasibility of peer clothing rental: “That has existed before and it does not really work because how do you scale that? How do you ship things?” (Lauren, [09:33]).
• Hunter is enthusiastic about borrowing and lending: “I always think about this with formal wear because I never want to like spend a ton of money on a dress that I’m going to literally get, you know, four wears out of before I start to like hate it” ([10:37]).

3. Taylor Swift’s Fashion Choices: Analysis & Psychology

• The duo unpacks Taylor Swift’s recent fashion moments, especially her Tom Browne look and giant Gucci platform heels ([16:47]).
• Lauren asks, “Why do you think she dresses like this? Why do you think she wore those?... Why does she think this is a good place to be photographed and to be seen in culture?” ([17:31], [20:21]).
• Hunter challenges the “bad on purpose” theory: “I think that she truly dresses in things that she likes, because when she wears, like, fashion stuff, it's just always, like, the ugliest thing that Gucci has ever made... It's always so, like, according to her style.” ([17:53]).
• On strategic public appearances: “I think that she likes putting on a show... Travis is as interested and invested in the performance of her life as she is. And that's where they really connect.” (Hunter, [21:48]).
• The number of high-profile restaurant outings and coordinated “paparazzi walks” are read as deliberate, stage-managed choices reflective of both Swift’s and Travis Kelce’s comfort in the public eye.

Notable Quote

• “Honestly, maybe that's the biggest thing I'd say about the album is that she's dressing as lackluster as the music.” – Hunter, [23:38]

4. Taylor Swift’s Wedding Fashion Predictions

• Lauren predicts a traditional Oscar de la Renta dress, musing if Swift will “have the understanding that this is when you get the couture thing.” ([25:32])
• Both agree Swift is unlikely to go full Chanel couture, instead likely staying in her familiar, safe designer territory.

5. Timothée Chalamet’s Vogue Cover & The Future of Magazine Covers

• The Timothée Chalamet Vogue cover (purported to be Anna Wintour’s last, though rumors abound) left both guests underwhelmed ([26:08]).
• Hunter: “It looks very like AI, which is unfortunate. But...I was like, oh, this is Dune promos starting really, really early...doesn't really have that metaphysical layer...” ([28:52])
• Lauren shares inside intel on Vogue cover production and Anna Wintour’s ongoing involvement ([27:36]).
• Both draw parallels between Chalamet’s current promo cycle and Kanye West’s influence, with Jacob Gallagher cited: “There’s something very Yeezus about Mr. Chalamet’s image lately...” ([30:03]).
• Discussion expands to the likelihood of a Kanye West cultural comeback, reflecting on both his artistic legacy and controversies ([31:09]-[32:57]).

6. Lily Allen’s Breakup-Era Fashion

• Lauren introduces Lily Allen’s post-breakup renaissance, noting her Colleen Allen bandeau look: “In the midst of all this, what do you think about how she's been presenting herself physically?” ([36:31])
• Hunter: “I liked it too that it wasn't...some kind of hard angle empowerment. I like that it was sort of delicate and so subdued but also very sexy. I mean her body looks crazy. She looks so good.” ([36:31])

7. Sydney Sweeney & GQ’s Men of the Year Covers

• Hunter expresses fatigue with Sweeney’s relentless media presence: “It’s like day 800 of talking about her.” ([37:19])
• Both critique the oversaturation of celebrity and the logic of GQ’s multi-cover Men of the Year: “Do you get a calendly link to get a GQ Man of the Year cover?” – Hunter, [38:31]
• Lauren notes, “I think if you’re going to operate a mainstream magazine at a hellhole like Condé Nast...they are trying to be in the culture in a way that literally no other magazine at one of those legacy publishers is.” ([37:36])

8. The State of Magazines: Print, Digital, and Sentimentality

• Lauren recounts visiting magazine archives (Library 180), expressing deep nostalgia for 90s/00s magazine culture, saying: “It felt so good. I was there for an hour, just looked through magazines...felt like a brain massage.” ([43:48])
• Hunter reminisces about Teen Vogue as a lifeline to culture: “I grew up in Oklahoma...there wasn't a huge, like, any fashion culture there. But I just felt so, like, it was so nice to get my Teen Vogue...in the mail.” ([44:43])
• The duo discuss generational shifts in print vs. digital value: “Is a digital cover meaningful to you? Because it's not super meaningful to me most times. And he's like, yeah...Why would I care about a physical print cover? What does that mean?” (Hunter, [46:40])
• Lauren: “The thing is all this stuff, like, you’re going to look at it online...and if you’re 20 years younger, it’s just not a part of your life.” ([48:09])

Notable Quote

• “Being so married to the print product feels, like, I mean, not realistic. And also, like, there is so much innovating we can do on the Internet...” – Hunter, [52:12]

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Memorable Moments & Quotes (with Timestamps)

• [05:51]: “A lot of therapy, a lot of talking to my parents, who were like, don’t do this. I was so nervous. But then I also was kind of like... nothing’s working. So, like, yeah, why not, like, try something different?” – Hunter Harris
• [09:33]: “That has existed before and it does not really work because how do you scale that? How do you ship things? Logistics.” – Lauren Sherman
• [17:53]: “She truly dresses in things that she likes, because when she wears, like, fashion stuff, it's just always, like, the ugliest thing that Gucci has ever made.” – Hunter Harris
• [23:38]: “Maybe that's the biggest thing I'd say about the album is that she's dressing as lackluster as the music.” – Hunter Harris
• [28:52]: “It looks very like AI, which is unfortunate. But... I was like, oh, this is Dune promos starting really, really early...” – Hunter Harris
• [30:03]: “There’s something very Yeezus about Mr. Chalamet’s image lately.” – (qtd. by Lauren Sherman from Jacob Gallagher)
• [36:31]: “I liked it...that it wasn’t some kind of hard angle empowerment... It was sort of delicate and so subdued but also very sexy.” – Hunter Harris (on Lily Allen)
• [38:31]: “Do you get a calendly link to get a GQ Man of the Year cover? Like, it was. It's too much.” – Hunter Harris
• [43:48]: “It felt so good. I was there for an hour, just looked through magazines... felt like a brain massage.” – Lauren Sherman

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [05:09] Introduction of Hunter Harris & her substack journey
• [08:08] Peer-to-peer fashion rental anecdote
• [16:47] Taylor Swift's boots/Thom Browne look; Fashion motive debate
• [21:48] The psychology of Taylor Swift’s public appearances
• [25:32] Taylor Swift wedding fashion predictions
• [26:08] Timothée Chalamet Vogue cover reactions
• [30:03] The Kanye West influence on celebrity style
• [36:31] Lily Allen’s breakup wardrobe
• [37:19] Sydney Sweeney and GQ's Men of the Year covers critique
• [43:48] Magazine archives and print nostalgia
• [44:43] Impact of Teen Vogue and cultural access
• [48:09] Print vs. digital magazine consumption

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Final Thoughts

Fashion People continues to deliver sharp, honest takes on why fashion matters—not just on the runway but as a mirror for celebrity culture, media, and personal identity. Lauren Sherman and Hunter Harris’s conversation covers both the fun and fraught sides of today’s fashion ecosystem, providing keen insights, plenty of candor, and choice gossip for anyone invested in the looks (and moves) shaping the industry.

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Transcript

[Podcast Host/Ad Reader]

Hey fashion people.

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[Lauren Sherman]

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[Hunter Harris]

Whatever.

[Lauren Sherman]

I'm joining one of my favorite writers, Amy Laka at Diesel Books to discuss her book how to Be well Navigating Our Self Care Epidemic, One Dubious Cure at a Time. Then on Wednesday, I'm interviewing the one and only Bobby Brown about her memoir, Still Bobby, A Masterclass in Resilience and Reinvention. And that's at 8pm in Santa Monica at the Herb Alpert My mom used to listen to him Educational Village. So Herb Alpert Educational Village then. As if you couldn't have get enough. On Friday, it's Puck's annual Stories of the where a bunch of Oscar hopefuls will be on hand. I personally am interviewing the most important costume designers of the year. Ruthie Carter, who did Sinners, Kate Hawley or Holly, who did Frankenstein, Paul Tazewell, Wicked for Good, Malgozia Terzanska from Hamnet and but also Chloe Zhao, Noah Baumbach, Elle Fanning, Jesse Clemons, Tessa Thompson and others will be on stage with my colleagues, including Matt Bellany, Peter Hamby and the one and only Kim Masters. So if you are not sick of me or you want to just see Noah Baumbach on stage, please join us. And let's get going with Hunter. Hunter Harris. Welcome to Fashion People.

[Hunter Harris]

Thank you for having me. I'm so excited.

[Lauren Sherman]

I'm so honored for you to be here. Author of one of my favorite substacks. But wherever it lives, it's a newsletter. Hung up. A great, great entertainment journalist. When did you start the substack?

[Hunter Harris]

November 2020. It'll be five years next month. Can you or. No, this month. Oh my God, it's literally November. That's so crazy. Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

When you did it, were you nervous because you had a big fancy job at New York magazine and you still write for them and other places, but were you nervous to go out on your own? Because that was sort of pretty Everybody having a substack?

[Hunter Harris]

Yeah, I. It was like, a lot of therapy, a lot of talking to my parents, who were like, don't do this. A lot of. I was so nervous. But then I also was kind of like, it was that time of the pandemic where it's like, honestly, everything. Nothing's working. So, like, yeah, why not, like, try something different?

[Lauren Sherman]

Totally. Well, congratulations. You did it. And I was just reading through some back issues, and I have even more questions for you because I've had some reader requests to discuss certain pop culture figures that you have recently covered. So in addition to the list of things we need to go through, there are. There are a couple small surprises before we get started. Did you have a good weekend? Do anything fun?

[Hunter Harris]

What did I do this weekend? Oh, my gosh. I saw Die My Love, the Lynn Ramsey movie. Jennifer Lawrence and Robert Pattinson. I was not so into it, but I'm happy that I saw it. And then what else?

[Lauren Sherman]

I watched the.

[Hunter Harris]

Okay, so I saw Sentimental Value.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, I really want to see it.

[Hunter Harris]

Yes. And I saw Trier's previous movie, first movie, Oslo, August 31st, and I really liked it. And I hadn't seen it before.

[Lauren Sherman]

I have not seen that. I've seen Worst Person in the World, but not. It's a trilogy. Right.

[Hunter Harris]

Like, they're more, I think, you know, thematically linked than I think they are. Like. Because also, he uses the same actors, which I think is really interesting. But, yeah, I was really into it.

[Lauren Sherman]

Have you been to Oslo? No, I can't recommend it.

[Hunter Harris]

Well, based on the movie, I was like, geez, I don't know about this.

[Lauren Sherman]

I think Norway is a place you go to the country. I don't think it's. If you're going to go to a city in Scandinavia, you're going to go to Copenhagen or Stockholm. Yeah. If you want that kind of a city experience, you don't need to go to Oslo. That's my. I've. I've discussed this at length with too many people. It's just. It's. I feel passionate about it.

[Podcast Host/Ad Reader]

Oh, my gosh.

[Hunter Harris]

The tourism board is, like, shaking right now.

[Lauren Sherman]

Well, hilariously. I had dinner with someone a couple of months ago in Milan and had no idea, but was like, I can't. I really didn't like it there. And of course, she was from there.

[Hunter Harris]

Ooh. Well, sometimes people have a complicated relationship with where they're from.

[Lauren Sherman]

She claimed she agreed with me. I don't know, but she was great. But anyway, I had a very funny. So I was in New York last week and was out and about doing a bunch of worky things. But then also got to see a ton of friends and the weather was amazing and we stayed at a friend of a friend's apartment. It was like super nice. But I did something that kind of ladders back to fashion people and everything we write about online sheet which is. I had a vision. There are these pair of boots from the row that are thigh high boots. They're flat. They're the awar. Awar version. And I have been stocking these boots for like almost a year. I live in Los Angeles. I cannot wear a pair of thigh high boots anywhere. I never wear skirts here. I wear jeans and T shirts every single day. Even when I go to a fancy thing. I. I'm not going to be wearing thigh high boots with a pencil skirt. It's just not going to have it. But I had a vision for my fall trip to New York that I was going to wear pencil skirts with these thigh high boots. And they are heavily discounted now. You can get them like on the RealReal for 600 bucks. I thought about doing that and then I decided I'm actually just going to post to Instagram and see if anyone will let me borrow them for a week. Or I can rent them for a week. I did it. Someone who lived a block away from where I was staying had them. She had never worn them. It was like, yeah, you can just borrow them for a week. You don't have to pay me or anything. I'm not gonna wear them. She had gotten them on ridiculous sale on Moda or something. So I borrowed the boots for a week from this woman. Thankfully did not ruin them. It didn't rain, which I was lucky because they are suede. But it was a very funny experiment where I would have paid her like 100 bucks to borrow them for a week. And I thought is there a business model where there's like peer to peer rental? I have been covering this business long enough that I've actually. That has existed before and it does not really work because how do you scale that? How do you ship things? Logistics. But would you do what I did? What? Which is borrow a pair of shoes from someone that you. This person I had met once before and we have a. A very close mutual person. So it wasn't like a total stranger. But would you have done what I did. And do you think this is a good idea?

[Hunter Harris]

I think it's an excellent idea and I would have done that. I. I think that I always Think about this with like formal wear because I never want to like spend a ton of money in a dress that I'm going to like literally get, you know, four wears out of before I start to like hate it. And I think that'd be so great. I wish it would like it were more normalized to like ask someone, hey, like we know each other pretty well. Can I borrow this?

[Lauren Sherman]

I agree. I, I'm an only. Are you what? Are you an only child? Yeah, I am also and I think there is also something of I don't like to bother people for things.

[Hunter Harris]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

It's not great.

[Hunter Harris]

If I take something, I'm like, I'm taking it and it feels like my friends who have like sisters, you know, like everything feels so fluid and I'm like, oh no, no, no, this belongs to me or it belongs to you.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes. It's a funny experiment, but I do think we are so connected on social media we might as well, we might as well start using it to our advantage.

[Hunter Harris]

Yeah. I mean I. Would you like lend someone something of yours?

[Lauren Sherman]

Yes, I would. I think it would depend on what it was and who it was. But yes, I think like I knew someone who. And I don't have like a gazillion followers, but I knew that someone who I followed would have these boots and I was correct. And other people sent me like Vestier Collective postings about them. But yes, I think I would. But I do think as an only child I'd be like, okay, well what does that mean? I've loaned, I have this amazing Loewe dress that was a dream dress as these giant cream puffed sleeves. And I wanted it for my co author the book I wrote, Chantal Fernandez Wedding. Her mother's Spanish. I was like, I need to wear this low dress to her. She's half Spanish. Like all of that stuff to this wedding. And I did end up finding it on the RealReal for like 700 doll. And I've loaned that dress to people because it's amazing. Yeah. And I, I don't know when I'll wear it.

[Podcast Host/Ad Reader]

It's.

[Lauren Sherman]

The sleeves are so large that it's very. I couldn't wear it to like a black tie work event because it's too much like it will have to be another big wedding where a dress like that would make sense. So yes, certain things I would. What about you?

[Hunter Harris]

You're so good at the real real in a way that I am not. I'm like not quick enough on the jaw, I think or I'm Like, I also have this idea that the real real will text you more than a man who fumbled you. Like, they will find you faster than the government, like through every medium. Which is so funny to me.

[Lauren Sherman]

It's true. They're constantly like, but you haven't, you haven't sold anything recently. I'm like, I just sent you guys five boxes two weeks ago. I don't understand. I think, look, I think if you know very specifically you want a very certain thing. I'm not saying it's easy to find it, but it is possible. So what I am not good at is scanning it and find like treasures. I have a couple searches. Guy Margiela for Hermes. I have Mariam Nussier because I feel like her shoes and things are hard to find. And there are things that I just missed out on when they were at retail and a couple other posts, Zoran or whatever, I have those. But I think there are people who go on there and spend five hours just scanning and they are the ones that really find the good stuff. But it is not. That's not my strong suit. It's more of if I want, like, if there's something I really, really want, I'll just every once in a while look the exact thing up. And sometimes you get lucky.

[Hunter Harris]

Yeah, that's me with this Prada cashmere skirt. It was like too much to pay retail for it and I, I've seen it on the RealReal twice and I was too slow both times and I regret it.

[Lauren Sherman]

If anyone. Do you. Can you describe it? If anyone sees it, can they send it to Hunter?

[Hunter Harris]

It's kind of like a scarf that just has like a little clip in the front, but it has like the kind of tassels as a scarf. And when I went to the store to try it on for the first time, they're like, oh, you can wear it as a scarf. And I was like, but why would I do that? It's cuter as a skirt. Yeah, but this was from probably like two years ago. But I. It comes in navy and like a camel and I wish I got the navy.

[Lauren Sherman]

Okay, Navy scarf skirt from Prada. If anyone finds it, please send DM it to Hunter.

[Hunter Harris]

Please, I'm begging.

[Lauren Sherman]

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[Hunter Harris]

I. Okay, the boots are what you're thinking about. I can't stop thinking about the platform Gucci heels with, like, the Tom Ford out. No, I'm sorry. Tom Brown outfit. And it's like, why are you towering over Sabrina Carpenter who's already, like, short and sweet, literally.

[Lauren Sherman]

So let's zoom out for a minute and discuss Taylor's fashion in particular and what you think as a documentarian of popular culture in 2025 and someone who's. I'm surely an expert on Taylor Smith. Taylor.

[Hunter Harris]

She's only the most famous woman in the world.

[Lauren Sherman]

Taylor Swift. Molly, don't cut that out. Taylor Swift as, like, a person in society. Why do you think she dresses like this? And. And what do you think the point of it is? Like, why do you think she wore those? No, she knew she was going out with. With the tiniest woman alive. Why did she wear those platforms?

[Hunter Harris]

I'm literally looking up. So I have the most recent photos from every angle. Okay. I think that people are always like, well, she dresses bad on purpose. Like, cause to be, like, relatable and all of this stuff. And I'm gonna say no. I think that she truly dresses in things that she likes because when she wears, like, fashion stuff, it's just always like, the ugliest thing that Gucci has ever made. It's always, like, the most random. I don't know, like, Kate skirt. It's just. It's always so, like, according to her style. I think Blake Lively is, like, kind of the same way in that where I'm never doubting that, like, they want to wear this. But I also don't think it's like a play for relatability, because if she wanted to be relatable, there was this one time, I think last football season where she wore these, like, Gucci pattern gloves or something. And that's so, like, the first thing your, like, high school nemesis buys when she turns, like, when she, like, gets real money, you know, quote, unquote.

[Lauren Sherman]

Totally.

[Hunter Harris]

And so I, I do think it's like, it's not so, you know, intentional, like, Machiavellian, how to dress to, like, get people to like you. I think truly she just wears stuff that she likes, and that stuff is usually not very good.

[Lauren Sherman]

I agree. And I think that is what makes it relatable. The thing about a lot of her pieces and this, we could break down this Thom Browne look. The Gucci platforms, they would look great with a pair of flared jeans. The Thom Browne look on a different person styled differently, maybe with a pair of flat shoes or. It felt to me like a very summery look. It again, would look fine. Then she puts sheer tights or you want to wear like a thick wool tight with the. With that look, it's very schoolgirl. It is the way she puts stuff together where I'm just like, honestly, Blake, lively, as atrocious as her clothing is, I think she has better style. Like, she knows how to put stuff together. It's not stuff I would ever wear or anyone I know, but at least she. You can tell she, like, really does it with a lot of confidence. The Taylor Swift of it all. It's just one of those things where I think it would just be fun to get in her head. And that is why the other outfits from the weekend, I, I also. We need to talk about the fact that she is going to these restaurants and getting photographed on purpose, which I don't. I need to understand that better. And I think you'll. You'll understand. But. But looking at the outfits from the weekend they went to her and Travis went to the Polo bar and she had on a very boring outfit. Like, it was actually, it was super nice. It was not. It felt like quiet luxury from two years ago. It was Stella McCartney wool gray slacks. You can't call them anything but that. And a black, like, boat neck sweater that was very pretty. And I thought lovely. And. And is what, you know, however old she is going to Polar bar with her husband. And then she wore a couple, like, boot and skirt outfits that I thought were cute. Like, it wasn't. Again, Wasn't my style, but I thought she looked, like, fun and cute. But, A, what do you like? Do you think there's a strategy around what she's wearing to the date nights? And B, why are they going to these? Like, why does she want to get photographed going out to eat? That's the part that is honestly the part I don't understand out of all of it. Like, I think you're right that she's just picking clothes she likes. But why are they going to Corner Bar and Polo Bar and. And Lucali? And it's just. It's too. It's just silly. Like, go to Keen's Steakhouse or go to Del Frisco again, where you're, like, in the corner. Why does she think this is a good place to be photographed and to be seen in culture?

[Hunter Harris]

I think that she really kind of has. I think that she likes it. I think that she likes putting on a show and whether or not it is, like, interesting. I do feel like that was sort of the central tension in her relationship with Joe Alwyn, according to, like, her music that works with Travis Kelce because they both are performers. And I think that Travis. Travis is as interested and invested in the performance of her life as she is. And that's where they really connect. And I think now maybe a part of it, too, is that she finally has someone willing to do these things that she wants to do. Because you're right, they're all choices. And the fact that, I mean, when I saw the photo of her and the. I don't know which restaurant they're going to, but the tights and the miniskirt and the.

[Lauren Sherman]

I think it was Zero Bond. That was Zero Bond night, maybe.

[Hunter Harris]

First of all, why are you going to Zero Bond? Do you want to see Eric Adams? Second of all, when I saw the tights, I was like, oh, my. That's, like, tights that my mom tried to make me wear to, like, a winter ball when I was 13. Like, it just looks absolutely nuts. I was disturbed by it. I was. I was disturbed. But I think that. I don't know. I kind of am honestly, a little bit surprised. I wonder how this all wraps back around to the album. I wonder why she's, like, not dressing like showgirl kind of emphasis with this album. Because with When Tortured Poets was, like, at the Grammys, she was dressing kind of, like, in that mood, in that tone of, like, a little bit emo, a little bit kind of, like, lots of kind of, like, lacy stuff, like, corset stuff, and I wonder why she's like, not really. Honestly, Maybe that's the biggest thing I'd say about the album is that she's dressing as lackluster as the music.

[Lauren Sherman]

Do you think that she will be wearing showgirl looks for the tour that she does, or is she not going to do a tour with this album?

[Hunter Harris]

She's not touring this. She said.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, because she's going to do. Potentially do the. No, she's not. That was a rumor that she was going to do the thing in Vegas that seems scary that people go to.

[Hunter Harris]

Oh, the sphere.

[Lauren Sherman]

The sphere. Yeah. I. I think that was just a rumor that was debunked.

[Hunter Harris]

Yeah. I'm also like, she just served a life sentence on the ERAS tour. She's about to plan a wedding. Um, I'm like. I mean, one woman can only do so much. But then again, I will never limit the abilities of tree pain.

[Lauren Sherman]

Her publicist, an incredible woman. So, really quickly, what is your prediction for Travis and Taylor for their wedding, what they'll wear?

[Hunter Harris]

I. I don't know. I think she'll, like, be Oscar de la Renta. Like, and I think he'll be. I'm sad that he's, like, left behind a lot of his HBCU core outfits. I'm sure he'll be against something like just a boring tux.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, we. We will see. I. I agree on the Oscar de la Renta, Although, you know that the two designers of Oscar de la Renta are leaving, and they're leaving in February, so I feel like the last hurrah needs to be for Fernando in particular, who works with a lot of the celebrities on Fernando and Laura. Fernando is the one who kind of works with more of the celebs. I wonder if his last hurrah will be dressing Taylor for something. At least one part of the wedding. But I don't see her understanding that. Girl, it's time to do Chanel couture. Like, this is the time. This is. If you're gonna do it, this is when you do it is for your wedding. I love Oscar de Laurento, and I hope that they do a lot of looks for around. Someone else just got married and they didn't do the dress, but they did the day before or something. Some famous person. I can't remember, but I wonder if she'll have the, like, understanding that this is when you get the couture thing. But I don't think she will.

[Hunter Harris]

I don't. Yeah, I don't think so. I won't be holding my breath.

[Lauren Sherman]

Okay. You know, who has an understanding of couture? It's Timothee Chalamet or Timothee Chalamet.

[Hunter Harris]

Yes.

[Lauren Sherman]

I don't know how you actually pronounce it. What did you think of his recent cover of Vogue magazine?

[Hunter Harris]

I did not like it. I guess I was, like, sort of more moved by it as, like, this is Anna's last cover, Right?

[Lauren Sherman]

Well, is it Anna's last cover? Because this is the thing. It was sort of. Everybody was like, it's her last cover. It's her last cover. But what I have heard from people is that it sounds like Chloe Mal's really going to be taking control of the covers next for the summer. Like, they work so far ahead of time. So, like, sprint, late spring, early summer, Chloe's gonna really be in charge. And also, Anna still has approval of all this stuff. And actually someone I know who shall remain nameless, my husband. But was at Balthazar on Friday morning, and Anna and Annie Leibowitz were there, like, marking stuff up. So they were obviously working on something. I don't know if it was a cover or shoot or something, but it did feel it was interesting. I don't know if they do this every time, but I got, like, an editor's note in an email from Anna, which doesn't seem like a common thing, saying what? Let me look it up. I was like, did she send this to me personally? Obviously not, but it was just from, like, the. The issue.

[Hunter Harris]

See.

[Lauren Sherman]

Okay, that's her actual email, not this thing that I got. Anna Wintour, Timothy Chalamet. And it was just like, in this issue. Oh. Introducing the December issue. And it's just basically like, it shouts out the great writer Maddy Kahn, who did the COVID and mentions that Annie Leibowitz traveled all the way to Michael Heitzer's land art masterpiece in the Nevada desert city to shoot him. Which, like, okay, great. It looks like it's a studio, so I don't understand what the point was. I don't what it. Yeah, apparently there are, like. If you look at the photos inside, they're incredible. But. And there are. They're like masterpieces. But for some reason, they. They did this cover. At first, I was just kind of like, okay, I don't. What do you. What am I gonna say about this cover? It just doesn't. I, I. It didn't. It didn't even register to me until people started emailing me, being like, are you not gonna say anything about it? And I was like, oh, I think.

[Hunter Harris]

It looks very like AI, which is Unfortunate. But the other thing is, when I first saw the COVID I was like, oh, this is Dune promos starting really, really early, because it feels more in line with that kind of alternate universe, spacey sci fi. The fact that this is the COVID for Marty supreme, which is not like that at all.

[Lauren Sherman]

Have you seen it?

[Hunter Harris]

Yeah, I have.

[Lauren Sherman]

I heard it's awesome. I cannot wait.

[Hunter Harris]

I love it. But even, like. Even this, I mean, I don't think this is, like, there's not, like, you know how, like, uncut gems have, like, that sort of mystic quality with the rock itself, like, with the gem. This doesn't really have that. And so I don't. That kind of, like, metaphysical layer feels so strange for this cover supporting that movie. But I did see something that was like, this was a couple weeks ago that, like, you can tell that Temple Chalamet is a student of, like, the Kanye west promo cycle. I think that's so true. And also, I think a generation of boys is really still reeling from losing Kanye, and so that can tell.

[Lauren Sherman]

I agree, my dear. Jacob Gallagher, frequent guest on Fashion People, wrote in his column about the Vogue thing. He was very nice about it. I would argue, too nice. But I guess he had some really good insights that made up for the niceness. But he mentioned Kanye and that this just, like, kind of all sort of goes back to that. And he said there's something very yeezus about Mr. Chalamet's image lately. He was. Last month, he was photographed in a pair of tan tactical boots that were near dupes of what ye wore a decade ago. So there's definitely this moment of. And I see that generally of, like, 2010-2011-2012-2011, Phoebe Filo and Kanye at the CFDA Awards, and me going up to Kanye asking him, are you launching a fashion brand? And him just laughing at me. But, yes, it's. It's interesting. I guess everything. Everything comes back, and maybe it's.

[Hunter Harris]

Do you.

[Lauren Sherman]

Do you feel this means we are. There's, like, another Kanye comeback on the way, or do you think that we have.

[Hunter Harris]

He's.

[Lauren Sherman]

You know, he's in his early 40s. He's. He's pretty young still. Do you think that we're gonna have. That we're gonna have another Kanye renaissance?

[Hunter Harris]

I think absolutely. I mean, for better or for worse. I think it's coming because I was just talking to my friends about this, how, like, the songs from Bully, the new album, like, Keeps Getting Delayed. Like, the songs that I've. That he released over the summer were like, not bad and not in the way that like, they really feel. More like he hasn't made music this good since like Life of Pablo. And then I also think in some ways. Did you watch the doc that was in like, it was in theaters for like a couple weeks?

[Lauren Sherman]

No.

[Hunter Harris]

As a just curious person, I watched it and I was surprised by how it is like a really interesting portrait of an artist. It's not like the one on Netflix. That was awful. It is like really at some times, like distressing to watch, stressful to watch. But I think it also shows how unwell he was for a long time. And I think in some ways that does sort of bolster a case for him to like make his way back into the limelight. Because then I don't think it's like a coincidence that after he like goes through this, like goes to talk to some rabbis, like apologize to them, that he also is brought on stage by Travis Scott. And like the songs that he plays with Travis are like songs from like, like through the Wire. That to me is like someone who is trying to appeal and find his way back to people's good graces.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. I recently talked to a mutual friend of ours who said without I, I'm not going to be reporting on Kanye's well being. But what, what this person said was that he's in a really good place with the help of different things, including his wife. So we'll see. It's. It's interesting. Okay, real talk. We all love a good deal and there's nothing more satisfying than knowing you didn't pay full price. And that's why everyone is obsessed with Rakuten. It's free to join. And every time you shop at your favorite stores, Target, Macy's, Ulta, Nike, even Expedia, you get cash back. And listen, the holidays are when Rakuten really shines. Because not only are the sales already big this time of year, but you can stack Rakuten's cash back on top of those sales. That means saving on savings. Like if a store is doing 20% off and Rakuten has 15% cash back, you're getting both. It adds up fast. They also do this weekly big deal reveals where one store will offer a super high cash back rate for one day only. I've seen some wild ones and I always check. Obviously signing up takes no time. It's totally free. And there's even a welcome bonus when you join and make a qualifying purchase. So do not miss out. Go to rakuten.com download the app or install the browser extension. Join today for a new member. Welcome bonus after minimum qualifying purchases, terms and conditions apply.

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[Lauren Sherman]

Okay, really quick, I wanna talk about the future of magazines. But really quickly. Maybe like a little. What's that called? Lightning round. Rapid fire. Rapid fire of two subjects that I've had a lot of requests for and you've written about recently. Ms. Lily Allen. What do you think? Obviously she's been on quite the tour for her album and her rage against her ex partner or husband or whatever he was in there Carol Gardens brownstone. But what do you think of her fashion during this breakup season? She wore an amazing Colleen Allen look to the CFDA's that was like it wasn't even a crop top, it was just like a bandeau top and it really showed her entire torso and she looked fabulous. And I love Colleen Allen. She's so good. Makes really sexy, beautiful things. But I'm curious like in the midst of all this, what do you think about how she's been like presenting herself physically?

[Hunter Harris]

I that's the only look that I've seen her and I really liked it. I liked it too that it wasn't. I think some like post breakup things go for like super severe, like some kind of hard angle empowerment kind of thing. I like that it was like sort of delicate and so subdued but like also very sexy. I mean her body looks crazy. Like she looks so good.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, it does. She looked so good and people like that album. Right. I haven't listened to.

[Hunter Harris]

Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. In it. Lemonade. Totally.

[Lauren Sherman]

I'm gonna. I'm gonna listen at some point. Okay. The other person that people that you wrote about recently that everyone wants my opinion on is Sydney Sweeney. And I. I got many DMs about this GQ interview she did. Have you watched it?

[Hunter Harris]

Oh, my God, no. I won't be doing that. And it's like, I just. I'm so tired of this. It's like day 800 of talking about her. I also. Wait, I. Speaking of magazines, I don't know what you think of the GQ dozen plus Men of the Year covers.

[Lauren Sherman]

Look, I'm very pro GQ for many reasons. Because. And mostly because I think that if you're going to operate a mainstream magazine at a hellhole like Conde Nast, which just fired four people for going to ask the head of HR what was up with all the. All the layoffs. Like, I think that they try to do something that is. People will talk about it. It's not always good. But I think that they are trying to be in the culture in a way that literally no other magazine at one of those legacy publishers is Hearst or Conde Nast. And that you gotta respect. And I love the Taylor. I mean, not Taylor, Travis Kelce cover, Style by Law Roach. So I still. They have a lot of goodwill from me, from that cover in particular. What did you think about them?

[Hunter Harris]

I also love gq. No, I just felt like, what do you get a calendly link to get a GQ Men of the Year cover? Like, it was. It's too. It's too much. And I kind of feel like we have to choose between Hailey Bieber or Sydney Sweeney. Because narratively, I think they're both kind of telling the same story. And I mean, the fact that Clips gets a Man of the Year cover like, that is like the purpose of this magazine too. Like, I'm so into that. I'm so into. I guess.

[Lauren Sherman]

I don't know.

[Hunter Harris]

Like, SZA getting on was like, kind of random. By, like, I love Sza and she gives a great quote every time. So that I was into. But the Stephen Colbert, really, I think. I don't know. I think we all need to kind of like, get a grip with him.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah.

[Hunter Harris]

Especially after his whole drama was completely superseded by Kimmel.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, yeah. I mean, maybe they should have had them both. But, like, that's what happens when you are doing stuff four months ahead of time.

[Hunter Harris]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

Have all the covers come out yet? Do we know because there is some.

[Hunter Harris]

They've announced everyone, but I don't think all the covers have come out.

[Lauren Sherman]

Okay, let me just see if they have. They really announced every single one of them. I don't want to scoop this from someone if it hasn't been announced. There was someone who is going to be on one of the covers who I saw at San Vicente Bungalows on Friday night and looked way better in person. I was like, oh, my God, you are a very good looking man.

[Hunter Harris]

Oh, my gosh.

[Lauren Sherman]

Unfortunately, I think this person. I don't know if.

[Hunter Harris]

Was it Seth Rogen?

[Lauren Sherman]

No, no, I don't think I would go that far. But yeah, look like GQ and Esquire are both trying to find out how to be a man in. I don't know if you heard, but men have no friends. There is a crisis. I wrote recently that men were back because the whole cover of Vanity Fair Hollywood issue is Internet boyfriends. It's all men. So do we know that for sure? Yes, I have confirmed that. They have not confirmed it, but I have confirmed it. It's coming out next week or this week. So we'll, I think next week. So we'll, we'll see. But, but yeah, so it's like men are back, but also they're in crisis and what are they going to do? Especially now that like, you don't, you know, you don't. We don't need them. So. But it's. Yeah, it's complicated. Look, so more broadly, do you think about. You write for a lot of magazines. Obviously you do amazing cover. So you're one of the last great cover story wr.

[Hunter Harris]

Oh my gosh, you're too nice.

[Lauren Sherman]

No, it's true. I mean, that stuff is hard to do. They're usually so boring and like so dumb and no one cares and you do a great job with them. And, and I, and I think people still want to have an outsider's point of view of celebrity. And, and you are, you are uniquely skilled. But like, do you read magazines for pleasure? Because I had the reason I wanted to discuss this and I wrote about it a bit in line sheet on Monday is last week. I was just like inundated with print media, being in New York, being around a lot of magazine editors. But then also I went to Casa magazines, I went to iconic magazines, I went to Climax Books and looked around. But the thing that I did that just threw me off my chair was I went to library 180. Do you know about this?

[Hunter Harris]

No.

[Lauren Sherman]

It's in 180 Maiden Lane. So it's a building that's owned by the people who own wsa. So just imagine it looks very similar to that.

[Hunter Harris]

Totally. Okay.

[Lauren Sherman]

But it's. It's these two. Two people who are interns together at V. Years ago. Stephen Chaikin, who owns a small talent. Well, I don't want to call it small, but like a boutique talent agency now. And then Nikki Eagle or Igle, who is an archivist. She's Pat McGrath's archivist and has done a lot of interesting work. And they bas. They're renting this space in 180 Maiden Lane. You have to get. It's by appointment only. They have like. They're super well connected people. So they have archives of magazines of like, they have every single colors ever. They have all the old details from the 80s. They have every visionary because Steven worked for those guys for a long time. They have this George Wayne zine that he made forever. Like it is. And then a bunch of books, fashion and art books too. And they've been doing a lot of like, small exhibitions, having a lot of talks there. And it's a library. Nothing's for sale. The only thing that is for sale is this book that Nikki edited that is old restaurant advertisements. There's like a Mr. Chao one shot by Helmut Newton from the early, like late 80s, early 90s. It is. I. Cause I'm 43. So like I grew up in the mid 90s. I wanted to work in magazines. I wanted to like be an editor at a magazine and go to the shows and write about the shows quarterly and all that stuff. And I just felt amazing. Like, it felt so good. I was there for an hour. I just looked through magazines. Then I'm coming back to New York in December. I'm gonna book two hours for myself to just be in there alone and just go through stuff. But I felt so inspired and so like. Which I can't. I barely read magazines now. Like, I can't engage. I'll buy them at the airport. I'll buy a couple when I'm in New York or London or Paris or whatever. You can't get them in LA anywhere. And then I'll try to sit down and like go through them and I can't like register. But being there, it felt like a brain massage. It was so amazing. And I'm just curious. Like, I don't know exactly how old you are. I'm sure you're much younger than me. But like, when you were growing up, was your dream to work in magazines. And B, like, what's your sort of relationship as a consumer with magazines now?

[Hunter Harris]

Yeah, I think. I mean, it's, you know, makes me sad that we're talking about this after the Teen Vogue stuff, because Teen Vogue was an iconic magazine to me. I look forward to. I looked forward to it every month. And not only, like. I mean, I grew up in Oklahoma, and so there wasn't a huge, like, any fashion culture there. But I just felt so, like, it was so nice to get my, like, team up with Natalie Portman or, like, Scarlett Johansson on the COVID Emma Watson or something in the mail. And I sort of think that, like, in some ways, the collapse of celebrity has also collapsed. Like, someone who. It's just funny that we're talking about this, because I. In the shower, I was thinking, like, if Sydney Sweeney had come out, you know, like, 20 years ago, she would have, like, done a Teen Vogue cover. But now, because it's today, she, like, does the GQ minute of the year cover and, you know, for better or for worse, but.

[Lauren Sherman]

Oh, my God. Yeah. Teen Vogue was also folded last week. I totally forgot we did tie talk. I talked about it with Derek on. On Tuesday. Last Tuesday.

[Hunter Harris]

I'm so. I'm so sad about it still. And I. That was like, such an. Like, that was a job that I really wanted. I wanted to work at Vogue. I wanted to work at gq. I want to work at New York magazine. That's how I got into reading magazines, I think, in a serious way. But I collect. I mean, calling it collection is like, I just find magazines on ebay that I would want to read and just buy them. A lot of old, like, Vibe magazines, a lot of old, like, GQ magazines. But I guess right now I only really read, like, New York Mag&GQ and cinema's the New Yorker. I read the Times magazine, too. But it's like, you know, I was. This is actually. I cannot wait to hear what you think of this. I was talking to a, like, young person. I'm 31. He's, like, 21. It was like a friend of a friend who, like, you know, want to get coffee and talk about magazines. And I was like, do you. Is a digital cover meaningful to you? Because it's not super meaningful to me most times. And he's like, yeah, I think that, like, ID is great. Why would I care about a physical print cover? What does that mean? And I was like, are you being, like, serious? And he's like, yeah, my sister lives around the corner from Casa magazines, and he's like, why would I even go in there? And I'm like, oh, my God. We just talked for an hour about how much you love magazines. And he's like, I know, but, like, what do you do when you get a magazine? Take a photo of it. So digital cover.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah. I think that's killed me.

[Hunter Harris]

It killed me.

[Lauren Sherman]

I think that's a good point. Like, and I do think that's the reality.

[Hunter Harris]

Like, I have all of these things are just visual images that can exist.

[Lauren Sherman]

I had this conversation with a publisher of a magazine recently, and I was like, I know that, like, what you make is nice, but, like, no one looks at it. Like, I think the thing is the print. Like, you know what magazine I think has, like, a value in print is like, Interview. Cause it's more like a paper, and you're looking at it. But the thing is all this stuff, like, you're gonna look at it online. Like, I read New York Magazine, New Yorker, I get W and I get Interview. Like, those are the four that I pay for myself. And I get some garden. Someone sends me gardening gun. I think it's a fabulous magazine. Then I get like, Letiquette is my favorite magazine in the whole world. Have you seen this magazine?

[Hunter Harris]

No.

[Lauren Sherman]

So it's like a French. It's basically Lucky but cool. Do you remember Lucky?

[Hunter Harris]

Yeah.

[Lauren Sherman]

So they have men's and women's. And it was started. I'm not gonna tell the story now, but it's, like, connected to Holiday magazine and that guy Franck, who's the creative director. But it's like there's this guy Gauthier, editor or, like, the creator of the whole thing. And then they have. I think the woman who's the editor in chief of the women's is Emily. But then they have this woman, Lolita Jacobs, does the styling. And it is so fun. They do cool articles, too. I don't really read French, so I have to do. I have to do Google Translate on a lot of them. But. But it's so inspiring fashion wise. I find new brands. I think of clothing differently. And it feels the way, like, reading Becky Malinsky's new Orleander Medine's newsletter feels about, like, okay, I feel like I'm getting something fun out of this, and it is fun to get it in print, but I understand, like, there just isn't if you don't live in New York or. Or London or Milan or Paris or Tokyo, or if you don't live in a big metropolitan city, like, I used to go to The Larchmont newsstand all the time here. Cause I treat Larchmont like my downtown and go get my nails done there and stuff. And I'm like, I can't afford to live here. But it's fun to walk around and have lunch at Cookbook. But the guy, he had to close because he was subletting from a Rite Aid, and Rite Aid went out of business. And I said, well, if the new. Will you be back? I said, how is the business? And he had been open for 20 years. And he said it was really good, basically from 2005 to 2015. He said, then it dropped off a lot. And now it's like, post Covid. It's just nothing. He's like, it's not. I'm probably not going to open it again because it's just not a good business. And the reality of it is, like, we have so many books, so much print media. My husband orders magazines from Japan constantly. We don't really look at a lot of it. Like, and if. If you're 20 years younger, it's just not a part of your life. So the. It'll be interesting to see how these things. Because what the feeling. And I got especially looking through the old Visionnaires, because they were so specific. Like, there was a page where Paloma Picasso had kissed every single envelope. Because there were only, like, a hundred. I don't know how many copies of Visionary they made. Like, not a lot. And so. And then there was one where I don't. I forget which designer. I want to say Versace cut up a dress, and so each dress, like, they had a photo of the dress. And then each on one page, and on the other side, a tiny little piece of the actual dress was in the magazine.

[Hunter Harris]

Oh, my gosh. I think it was.

[Lauren Sherman]

It might not have been Versace, but it was someone. It was cool. It was like. And I thought this is why I wanted to be in magazines. Not because I'm creative in that way, I'm not, but, like, I loved. I wanted to be a part of that. And I think there's some. There's some way. I think the issue is, like, your friends. Who's your friend's brother who said this to you?

[Hunter Harris]

Or you're like a friend of a.

[Lauren Sherman]

Friend, friend of a friend. I think that the thing is, the problem is everyone who makes this stuff hasn't been thinking about it in the way of, like, people are gonna read this online. Let's just make this very exciting for people who are online and creative in a different way. Whereas they're still thinking of it like, we gotta make a cover. And maybe that's not what's gonna, like, hook people in. Yeah.

[Hunter Harris]

And maybe I think that's true. I think being so married to the print product feels like. I mean, not realistic. And also, like, there is so much innovating we can do on the Internet, which is why something like. Which is why I'm like, okay, what if Teen Vogue is just, like, a part of Vogue and, like, its own vertical or something like that, where it's, like, not like, that idea and, like, point of view, for example, continues, but, like, the fact that it's like, does these shoots or is imprint or whatever. Like, that's less important to me than, like, this specific point of view, which I think is like, what we're talking about keeping intact is like, the idea that something doesn't have to live in print at all. I think is, like, fine.

[Lauren Sherman]

Yeah, I agree. Hunter, this was awesome. Please come back.

[Hunter Harris]

I want to. I want to. This is so fun.

[Lauren Sherman]

And everybody, please subscribe to Hunter Substack and. And the paid version. She is truly one of the great voices of her generation, and I love using that. But it's such a pleasure to read your work and everyone should. If you want to know what's up with all the people we talked about, she's really the only person you need to be reading. But thank you again. It was such a pleasure.

[Hunter Harris]

Thank you. I love your newsletter so much. I don't know half what's going on half the time, but I. I think it's. I love knowing gossip. No matter if I know the players or not.

[Lauren Sherman]

I appreciate it.

[Hunter Harris]

I agree.

[Lauren Sherman]

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