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Jessica Matlin
Happy New Year, everyone. Welcome to Fat Mascara.
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Jennifer Goldstein
Woohoo. We made it. We made it, Jess.
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Jamie Greenberg
We did.
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Jennifer Goldstein
Everybody, we made it.
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Jessica Matlin
Oh my God. We did it. Guys. We couldn't do it without you.
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Jennifer Goldstein
Here we are.
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Jessica Matlin
Hope you had a good year. And if you didn't, there's always next year. 2025, another chance, a fresh start, A new beginning. Love a new beginning. So here's the deal. What's this episode about? Okay, we have Jamie Greenberg. So we're like sort of bringing her back again because this is like our annual ritual. We represent our top episode of the year, but with fresh eyes. Because it's like when we record these episodes, we don't know what the reaction's gonna bring when we bring on guests, we don't know how they're gonna be re received. We just know that we feel every guest deserves to be on Fat Mascara because we think that they're important, they're a thought leader, they're bringing something to the table. But we did not know Jamie was going to resonate just as much as she did. We think she's fabulous, but Jen, like, take it away.
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Jennifer Goldstein
Were you surprised? I don't know when I was surprised.
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Jessica Matlin
I think I'm saying this like, oh, we didn't know she'd be a smash hit. But it's interesting to see who's going to like, sort of like the letterboard. Go to the top.
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Jennifer Goldstein
I love doing this every year at the end of the year, all the listens through the whole year, who had the most. It makes sense to me this one though, because Jamie and I, we talk about a lot of topical issues that have come up on the pod. A lot also. She's just so much damn fun. Yeah.
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Jessica Matlin
This was a conversation with you and Jamie?
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Jamie Greenberg
Yeah.
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Jennifer Goldstein
She's so funny.
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Jessica Matlin
I was a passive listener.
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Jennifer Goldstein
You were. This was way back. This originally aired in January of 2024. So yeah, here we are 12 months later and she is our top episode. Should we congratulate her? Congratulations to you, Jamie Greenberg. And if you're listening now and you don't know who she is, Just for a little bit of background. So her Instagram handle is Jamie Makeup, and she is, of course, a celebrity makeup artist. She does numerous celebrities. Kelly Cuoco, Rashida Jones, Chelsea Handler, and of course, she has her own makeup line, Jamie Makeup, with products like the Bly Lighter, you know, that's blush and highlighter in one, and Eye Shtick, which is, like, my favorite name for a product ever. She's just so much fun. Her products are fun. We had a great chat, and clearly you loved it. So here is our top interview of the year. It is Jamie Greenberg. Let's get into it. Jamie. Hello. Welcome to Fat Mascara.
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Jamie Greenberg
Thank you. This is a dream come true.
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Jennifer Goldstein
Stop it. It is not a dream come true for me.
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Jamie Greenberg
Oh, my God. I've been listening to you guys for years.
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Jennifer Goldstein
I actually do know that because we have one of those virtual DME kind of relationships. Yes. Welcome to the studio. Welcome to the show. Our listeners are gonna be so thrilled to hear from you. This is funny. I saw this somewhere. I'm not sure where I saw it, but I saw it. Might have even been in quotes, but that you are, quote, everyone's personal makeup artist.
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Jamie Greenberg
Yes, that's me. What does that mean?
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Jennifer Goldstein
Where did that come from? I mean, it's totally true.
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Jamie Greenberg
Yeah. This happened, I want to say, like, 10 years ago when I started doing social media. And I was so blown over by the audience and being able to contact them in a new way that we had never done before. And so I was like, I'm celebrities makeup artist, but I could be everybody's makeup artist because now I can talk to them. So that's where I came up with that.
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Jennifer Goldstein
Okay, so you came up with that. I thought I was like, Vogue calls her everyone's, you know, like, I didn't know where it came from.
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Jamie Greenberg
But, yes, I love that. I. I do everything around here.
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Jennifer Goldstein
It feels true, because, yeah, you spend. I mean, you have many jobs, you wear many hats. We'll talk about it. But you spend, like, one of your main gigs. You work for the wall group. You do, like, celebrity red carpet all the time, right?
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Jamie Greenberg
Yeah. Yeah, that's where it started. Totally. Yep.
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Jennifer Goldstein
How'd you get into that? As opposed to, like, say, real people bridal or editorial or.
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Jamie Greenberg
I did it all. I mean, I started my first job out of college. I was living well. I didn't know that's what I wanted to do. But after college, I studied film and photography, so still in the world of art. And I lived in New York, where you are, and I was in editing commercial editing, like L'Oreal.
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Jennifer Goldstein
That's why your videos are so good.
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Jamie Greenberg
Well, that's. That's because of Hannah. Shout out to Hannah. But, yeah, I like storytelling. But I was always into makeup. But that wasn't. That's not like a career that people would push you in. Back in my day, back in the 90s, nobody was pushing you to do that or early 2000s. So I was like, what is this? And then after a stint in New York City, my husband and I were just burnt out. We were poor, maxed out on every credit card, and we're like, let's go to Los Angeles. I got. Over the summer, we stayed in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, and I worked at an Ulta. That's where I grew up. Shut up. So do you know Oxford Valley Mall?
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Jennifer Goldstein
Oh, my God, that's my Ulta.
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Jamie Greenberg
That's my Ulta, too. That's where I started.
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Jennifer Goldstein
That's so fun. I started Parfumery Douglas, which does not exist anymore. Not because Ulta wasn't around, but at the mall, at the. Everything selling. Were you on the floor?
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Jamie Greenberg
Oh, yeah, girl. I was unloading boxes on the trucks at 4:30 in the morning at Oxford Valley Mall, honey. Making $7 an hour.
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Jennifer Goldstein
I probably bought something from you at some point. I'm sure you did. That's so crazy.
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Jamie Greenberg
But that's where I fell in love. Because people would come in and I'd give them, like, a bare minerals makeover. And I was like, this is the shit. I love this interaction. I love this exchange. I'm a people person. And I was okay. I could do, like, two things, but I pretty much sucked. And I moved to LA and opened the first Ulta in la, and I worked there for six months. And then I was like, I'm gonna go to Bloomingdale's. And so I was on the floor in Bloomingdale's for about two years. And that's where I really. That was my grad school for makeup. Cause I would. I would fuck people up. I would make them look so bad, and then I would learn from it, you know, and then I would do them. And if they bought everything, I knew I was killing it. And if they slithered away and moonwalked, I knew I was like, that was bad. But I learned about texture and skin tone and skin type and all that shit, and it was the best. It was like you put in your 10,000 hours. And then I started to get good. And there was so many makeup artists in that Bloomingdale's that had so much Skill. And so we would sit there and talk about products we liked. In fact, there was a guy that I worked with. He was at the Mac counter. His name is Rob Rumsey, and he is Billie Eilish's. Like, he's a huge makeup artist now, so. And he used to come over. He was like, so ahead of it. Back in the day, he would come over and be like, babe, we gotta work on your blending. And I'd be like, okay, yeah, if you stick it out long enough, no matter what you wanna do.
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Jennifer Goldstein
The LA Bloomingdale's is where all celebrity makeup artists get their start.
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Jamie Greenberg
That's right.
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Jennifer Goldstein
No, how did you make the jump then? That's a big. Here you are messing up people's faces at the counter to doing, like, really big award shows and all this stuff.
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Jamie Greenberg
Yeah. I met someone who had, like, a makeup school, so I went and taught makeup, but at the same time was, like, learning makeup, too.
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Jennifer Goldstein
Got it.
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Jamie Greenberg
I then snowballed and met someone who was a producer, and I worked on reality shows like Nanny911 and stuff like that. It was like a mishmash. And when I left Bloomingdale's, I was freelancing for brands, for Dior at first, because that's the counter I worked at, but they didn't give me enough hours. So I found my husband found on Craigslist. This was before you were worried about getting murdered, but Craigslist used to be a good place to find work. And we found Jillian Dempsey. My husband found that she was hiring for her company for a freelancer for, like, 20 hours a week. So when I was introduced to Jillian, I went to her office, and her sister was hiring people, and I met her. And when I went in, I saw all these pictures of celebrities, and I was like, oh. And they're like, she's a celebrity makeup artist. I'm like, that is so cool. I want to do that. So I kind of just worked for her for a while. She opened some doors for me, and then I was literally the best assistant anyone could ever have. And all the big makeup artists that I worked for would tell the wall group, you have to hire this girl. She's great. I showed initiative.
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Jennifer Goldstein
As your own Jamie Greenberg. Not assistant to anyone, correct? Yeah. What was your first job all on your own?
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Jamie Greenberg
My first job was Lionel Richie because I went to film school, so I had a friend who was in television. He was in LA shooting Lionel for a documentary he was making about Tuskegee, Alabama, which I think is where he went to school, where he's from. So he's like, we're interviewing Lionel Richie tomorrow. Can you come do his makeup? And I was like, oh, my God. Okay. I mean, that was like. That's all we listened to growing up was Lionel. My dad, like, put in the cassette tape, and I was, like, dancing on the ceiling. So I went in, and he was awesome. But I was so nervous, and I didn't even have to do anything. A little concealer, a little powder. It's like, nothing. But I was nervous. I, like, had to pull over to go to the bathroom, like, three times.
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Jennifer Goldstein
Before I went on the drive to do Lionel Richie's makeup. I just. All I picture is the sculpture of his face in that one music video, which makes.
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Jamie Greenberg
Oh, my. I can see it. I can see it right now.
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Jennifer Goldstein
I'm dead. Once you see. Go Google it, everybody. Once you see this sculpture, you'll never forget it. That's all I can say about that. It's just. It was back when music videos. Music videos are so fun. They had, like, a whole other storyline. They had, like, a cinematic budget, and it. That music video is crazy. But you just did him for, like, a. Some. For. Oh, for this documentary, for an interview.
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Jamie Greenberg
Yeah. It was like nothing. But I. That was what, like, kind of cracked the seal into the celebrity world. And then my first big celebrity red carpet was a girl named Katrina Bowden, an actress. She was on 30 Rock. Is that what it was called? 30 Rock, right? Yeah, With Tina Fey and all that. She was, like, that really pretty blonde, and she was wearing a Christian Siriano dress. And this was when Kristen Siriano was just on the. I'm telling you, when the dinosaurs roam, people. So it was, like, one of his first red carpets. And I was so nervous, but we, like, did it. She went on the carpet. I went home and used my dial up, and I was, like, looking at Getty Image and Wire image, and I was ecstatic. So happy. And she left. She, like, text me. I'm like, did we have text back then? Yeah, she text me and was like, hey, I left your makeup at. Because I left some pieces with her. She's like, I left your makeup at the front desk. Can you just go pick it up? I left you a little something. And I was like, you can keep it. And she's like, no, I just left this thing. So I went back to the hotel, and she had left the next day. She had left me a handwritten note that was saying how special the day was, how great she felt and looked, and to. And to thank me and left me $50, which I. That was like the first and last time I ever got shipped.
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Jennifer Goldstein
She tipped you and gave back your leave behind makeup that usually leave for them to like touch up their powder and whatever.
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Jamie Greenberg
Yes.
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Jennifer Goldstein
What a sweetheart.
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Jamie Greenberg
The sweetest. And I was like hooked. I was like, okay. But like for a good five years, I think I was nervous every time I went to someone new's house.
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Jennifer Goldstein
I mean, I don't see how you couldn't be. But you obviously built your roster and made a name for yourself because you're very in demand. But this is like, there wasn't even people Instagramming while you did a celebrity's makeup. Like, you were a behind the scenes woman. You worked at commercials, you worked at the counter, you worked there. But like Jamie makeup on reels and TikTok is you're in front of the camera. When did you realize, I have to be honest, like, you're good in front of the camera. Like, when did you know, like, oh, right. I could also do that.
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Jamie Greenberg
Well, I mean, fun fact, I was Annie and Annie get your gun in sixth grade. So I always.
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Jennifer Goldstein
Of course you were. Of course she was in drama club. This all makes sense.
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Jamie Greenberg
When I lived in New York, I did a little improv. I did a little stand up.
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Jennifer Goldstein
Like, so you're comfortable being.
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Jamie Greenberg
There are two. I do a lot of things wrong, but there are two things that I really like to do, and that is public speak, which people think is crazy. And I like to exercise. So those are two things that go against like society's grain. Because I like it, you know, like, I don't know why, but I like it. So like, I realized that early on that it was a muscle that I could flex. And when the Internet started, when Michelle Phan came out and all that, she had like her own multi network channel called Icon. And Allure was hiring content creators. And I actually got picked by Linda Wells to do this insider allure. So they paid me for like 24 episodes. And I did a show called Inside the Boudoir. And for Michelle, I did a show called Pretty Little Pranksters where we would prank people and pretend they were getting makeovers.
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Jennifer Goldstein
Wait, how have I not seen this? Or maybe I haven't and even put together that it was you. I got to go back and watch these.
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Jamie Greenberg
Well, I also, like, had just had a kid, so I weighed like 300 pounds. It's like, yeah, there's the looks. Through the years, I love to eat. And when I get pregnant, I get real big. And I love every Minute of it. But I've had three kids, so.
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Jennifer Goldstein
Yes, I know. Can do the math. I'll ask you about that. Yeah, I will do the math. It's funny because that was before Eva. You could be your own thing on reels or Instagram and have your own handle. And I don't think it's average to have the skill of being good at makeup and also being able to talk on camera. I haven't seen those two skills come together, except maybe like, a qvc. QVC could have come calling for you. You would have been great on qvc. Right?
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Jamie Greenberg
I would like to do that. I still feel like that's one of those things that I'm like, I gotta get there somehow. But my brother was on the news for 25 years.
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Jennifer Goldstein
There'd be, like, thousands of units sold. I can see it already.
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Jamie Greenberg
I know. With the ticking clock. I would love that. I would love that.
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Jennifer Goldstein
It would. It would fire up your competitive athletic streak that you said you have. You're exercise loving, right?
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Jamie Greenberg
I do squats while I sell.
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Jennifer Goldstein
I'll watch it, sure.
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Jamie Greenberg
But I will tell you, when I. When it was beginning, there would be so many artists that would see me coming, and I could feel the disdain, and I could feel the, ugh, here she comes with her phone. Because I was way ahead of the game. I was going and putting people on blast, and it was like a whole thing. And publicists used to be like, she can't report on anyone. And I'm like, okay. So it was very touch and go for a while, and then now it's all fine and everybody does it, and it's so saturated. But I love. I like it. It's fun.
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Jennifer Goldstein
And celebrity clients, I imagine there's people that probably enjoy that side of. They know what they're getting when you come to do their work, they're like, this is fun. I'll be on your videos, too. Why not?
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Jamie Greenberg
And believe me, I got slaps on my hand in the early days, being like, well, this person looked at your Instagram and you have too many videos about other things, but, you know, they don't want to. And I'm like, okay, I'm not for everybody, but that's the world, right? Every job you're in, you have clients, you have people you work with, and you attract who you are.
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Jennifer Goldstein
Katie Jane Hughes told us something similar, like the fact that her face was on her Instagram. People are like, what? Why is your face on your Instagram? It should be all the clients and the work that you've Done. And they just didn't get it. And then here you are and she is both being successful.
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Jamie Greenberg
So.
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Jennifer Goldstein
Huh, Jokes on them.
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Jamie Greenberg
And the people that like it, they like it. And the people that don't, they don't. And listen, sometimes people that like it are like, not today. And you're like, I get it, man. Some days I don't want to do it either. I'm sure you feel the same way.
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Jennifer Goldstein
I'm sick of my own voice. I have to edit this podcast. I have to do other. I'm like, shut up, Jen. Just shut up. I know.
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Jamie Greenberg
I get sick of myself too. Anytime I. I call it my alter ego. Because I'll meet people on my daughter's softball team. The parents will be like, oh, I watch your videos. And I'm like, oh, yeah, that one. She's annoying.
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Jennifer Goldstein
You're like Beyonce. You're like. You're Sasha Fierce.
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Jamie Greenberg
Yeah, I'm Sasha Fierce.
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Jennifer Goldstein
I'm just watching the soccer today. Ladies. It's funny that you brought up your kids because when we booked this interview with you in the Zeitgeist was also this thing I wanted to talk to you about, which has to do with kids. But just so I know you have three kids. How old are your kids?
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Jamie Greenberg
I have a six year old girl, a nine year old boy, and a almost 13 year old girl.
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Jennifer Goldstein
Okay. My stepson's nine. So we have like that in common.
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Jamie Greenberg
Yes. It's a wild age.
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Jennifer Goldstein
Yeah. Well, all of them are at that really formative years where they're real little people and they're like, going out in the world. And this is the thing that Jess and I have been like, hung up on. I'm sure you've seen it. I've seen you do videos on it. People getting younger and younger into skincare. Oh, the Sephora girls, the little Gen Alpha Sephora girls that are all over TikTok now. People just really enjoying getting into beauty and skincare. And I love that. But I think it brings up a lot of issues for parents sometimes and even kids and teens or if you're an aunt in someone's life or just have children in your life of like, what is and isn't appropriate. So I wanted to dig into that a little with you, if you're cool with that.
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Jamie Greenberg
Dude, it is a wild world that we're living in. I mean, if you think about it, I think I have like a decade on you, but, like, you were still growing up somewhat in the magazine world and our magazines didn't talk to us and anything that was aspirational, was either watching what was that show at 7:00 at night? Entertainment Tonight or our Cosmos. And that was it. And our moms, there was nowhere else to get this information. And nowadays if your daughter has social media, she can watch literally from the minute she wakes up in the morning to the minute she goes to bed. I know nobody would let their kids do that, but they are exposed to every single type of product in the world. It's wild. My daughter has learned to cook. She has all these hobbies because of TikTok.
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Jennifer Goldstein
You're a 13 year old.
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Jamie Greenberg
My 13 year old, yeah. No, my 6 year old, she picked up.
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Jennifer Goldstein
You don't know. I just saw a makeup line for ages 3 plus and I was like, what? It just came out. So yeah, so go on, what were you saying?
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Jamie Greenberg
So they just are inundated with all this information and just like when we were kids put it, I mean, I remember I used to wear the coffee liner with frosted brownie. I looked ridiculous. But it's back again.
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Jennifer Goldstein
Yeah, but what, I'm curious, what age, what's the first age you wore makeup outside the house?
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Jamie Greenberg
I think middle school. Listen, it's a four. It's your first form of expression as a child. Like so many of us dress our children, then they finally pull away from that and then their first way to express themselves besides their clothes is their makeup and their hair choices. So it's trendy, it's popular opinion. So personally, of course, I have the daughter that's into it, but not overly into it. What is it called? Preppy girls. I mean, I get all the lingo from her. So these preppy girls are going around and they're taking the drunk elephant and they're doing, they have like, you know, the love shack fancy dress on and they're wearing their Aviator nation. And I'm like, cha Ching, cha ching, cha Ching, cha Ching. So I think the problem with most of it, I mean the biggest problem is they don't need a lot of the active ingredients that are in the skincare. So anything exfoliating, anything with alpha hydroxy, beta hydroxy, glycolic, retinol, they don't need it. They don't really even need hydration, to be honest. But if they're going to do anything, little lip balm's fine, some SPF for sure, and a great cleanser and a moisturizer. And like, if they want to have some extracurricular fun, you can do a gloss and maybe a little cream blush and some mascara. But Besides that, it's consumerism and it's crazy. I mean, listen, I'm a makeup artist, but let me show you. This is my daughter's bubble bag. But I get all this for free. I hate that.
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Jennifer Goldstein
Well, yeah, so that's the thing. If you're out there and kids are asking for stuff, they're not asking for a little St. Ives scrub and some Tinkerbell lip gloss. Drunk Elephant's not cheap. Some of these brands aren't cheap. So my question is, how have you approached building healthy habits around appearance and opting into beauty stuff and without that pressure? Cause, like, it's okay if tweens are doing this because it's fun, like you said, expressing themselves. I love that. But then there is a dark side to beauty sometimes, which is keeping up with the other people that you look at and jealousy and not feeling good about your own body. Have you found that you've had to have a talk about it? Like we talk about birds and bees. Do we need to have the talk about lipstick and photo filters with our kids?
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Jamie Greenberg
Yeah, we do. I am so honest with my children. And I mean, from a very young age, I'm very honest with especially my 13 year old. She's very aware of everything. I mean, she watches Housewives with me. So of course my husband was like, you know that these are the worst people in the world. And she's like, I know, dad. And then when she watches it, she's like, has she had a facelift? And I'm like, yes. But I tell her about it because it is. Listen, none of this is going anywhere. So if you act like it's not there, you're doing a disservice. It's like when we were little, nobody talked about anything. So every girl developed an eating disorder. Every girl developed, like, feeling less than because they didn't look like the magazines. No one was telling us that they were filtered. No one was telling us that they had problems. We're in a better place. And if you are in charge of little minds, I recommend being honest and talking to them about the realities of. Like, there is there. I had a mommy makeover and I showed my daughter, like, these are what my boobs look like before they touch the ground. I got them cut off. I wasn't comfortable. I've had filler and dysport, and I'm a representative for Galderma and Restylane, and I have been very honest with her. And she understands it. She doesn't want it. She understands it. We talk about beauty is beautiful because it's different. Everybody looks different, everyone is beautiful. And I've always felt that way as a makeup artist. Like, no matter who you are, if you sit in my chair, I can see your beauty. Beauty comes from your energy, comes from your personality, comes from your confidence. And that is what we work on. We work about like, there's only two rules in my house, and that is to listen and be kind. And that it all falls into place under those two rules. So I know I kind of went astray. But at the end of the day, my daughter is aware how expensive this stuff is. She knows she's lucky, she gets it. She gives away a lot to her friends. We're walking the line. But like anything, if I were to not let her do this stuff, it would result in some bad behaviors, I think.
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Jennifer Goldstein
Jess, you ever notice how your skin sort of changes in the winter?
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Jamie Greenberg
Sure.
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Jennifer Goldstein
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Jessica Matlin
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Jennifer Goldstein
Yes. You're saying more transparency, more education context for her. So she's aware of why people do these things, and that's helping her make her own decisions.
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Jamie Greenberg
Exactly. Because she's her own person.
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Jennifer Goldstein
Is there anything that's ever. I don't want to bring your daughter into it personally, but when you look at other children, too, where you're like, I remember my mom wouldn't let me shave till, like, a certain age. And I finally had to go to my grandmother and be like, grandma Ruby, can you talk to Mom? Like, I'm on the swim team, and it's embarrassing. And, like, finally she convinced my mother to let me shave. But other than their skin being, like, doesn't need acids because their skin's fine, and we don't want to get them, like, be unhealthy, but that you think it's just, like, too soon. Too soon, or it gives you pause. I see elementary school girls with mascara, and I'm like, why do I feel weird about it? I guess I shouldn't.
- [25:20]
Jamie Greenberg
They definitely like the mascara. I mean, if she came out with, like, foundation and stuff, I would be like, no.
- [25:27]
Jennifer Goldstein
Right. But why are we. Why does that make. Because I feel like it. Because it pushes them to grow up too soon. In a way. It's like, girlhood's so special.
- [25:33]
Jamie Greenberg
Yeah. It's like Lolita vibes, even the way they dress.
- [25:36]
Jennifer Goldstein
You don't want to sexualize anyone too young. That's, of course, plays into this whole conversation. And I'm not saying we you do or people do. But it's just, for such a long time, makeup was a seduction tool in a way.
- [25:48]
Jamie Greenberg
You're absolutely like.
- [25:49]
Jennifer Goldstein
I feel like it's different now because it's, like, personality, as you said, and showing your personality.
- [25:53]
Jamie Greenberg
I mean, look, I can only speak from my daughter's point of view, in the sense that she's like a tomboy. She plays sports, but she also is girly, but she's not over the top. I have friends whose daughters are insane, like, in the way that they're so into it. And it's funny because I'll be like, I'm a cool mom. Leni, do you want to wear this crop top? She'll be like, no, mom. But then I'm like if I, I see some of the girls will go over their house and I'm like, what is she wearing? So it's like, I guess again, I mean that's their personality. But it is very jarring when I go over to a friend's house and this little 13 year old is stacked.
- [26:31]
Jennifer Goldstein
Looks adult.
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Jamie Greenberg
Looks adult. It is, yeah. It's sad, but I feel like unfortunately, I mean, even my daughter's in seventh grade. In seventh grade I was such dork. I mean even my looks like they don't have that puberty moment anymore. I don't. We were so got.
- [26:48]
Jennifer Goldstein
Have you seen the TikTok where it's like me in seventh grade and they're like got braces and they're doing an awkward dance and it's like people in seventh grade now and they're doing like the perfectly choreographed TikTok dance. Yes. I mean, and they look like sorority girls. Yes.
- [27:03]
Jamie Greenberg
Like the bama rush. I feel like everything has evolved so much. So we have to just lean in and just talk to them. Because I'm telling you, if you communicate, hopefully they make the right decisions. But they're going to be who they're going to be and if they want to wear a crop top, they're going to wear it. And if they don't want to wear it, they're not going to wear it. Like, my girls are not girly and I'm like, come on. I remember growing up I played sports, but I had fake acrylic, red nails and I wore red lipstick. And all the soccer players when I would go to practice would make fun of me. But I loved it.
- [27:34]
Jennifer Goldstein
You can do both. Yeah, you can do both. It is funny for parents out there that are like, I don't know how to approach it. You're right. It doesn't always seem though too, when you have a teen or a kid, whatever you tell them they're going to do the opposite. It's almost like, should we use reverse psychology and tell them you should totally get Botox and Filler at age 13. Then they'll just like never get it ever in their life. I'm not obviously saying that's what you should do, but it does feel that way sometimes. It's good to get your take on it too. And as a makeup artist, it's like, you know, skin and as kids age, their skin doesn't need that stuff and it's still developing and you already have the acne question in there. Like you pray that that doesn't trigger inflammation. Acne and I feel like if you throw some acids on there and all of a sudden their skin barrier is messed up and it's like.
- [28:20]
Jamie Greenberg
Yes, it's that simple, though.
- [28:22]
Jennifer Goldstein
Like a nice little gel moisturizer. Yes.
- [28:25]
Jamie Greenberg
Yeah. I mean, I've heard it called so many different things, but I remember when it first started, and I watch a lot of these videos on TikTok. I get pulled in and on Instagram reels, and I watch and I. First of all, these girls, I love them, but they. The way they put everything, it's so sloppy. It's kind of how they live in their rooms. They're all just slob. They're like teenage dirt bags.
- [28:46]
Jennifer Goldstein
Do you think they're stepping outside the house like that? Or it's more like a crafty, fun hobby to make the video. And then they wash it all off, I think.
- [28:53]
Jamie Greenberg
Yeah. Or they blot it down. I think you're right. Because when I do see them in person, I don't see any of that going on. But you're right.
- [29:00]
Jennifer Goldstein
It's like artistic expression. Like they're doing it to make a video.
- [29:03]
Jamie Greenberg
Yeah.
- [29:04]
Jennifer Goldstein
But at a certain point, they're doing it to make a video, and it's fun and it's a hobby. But then that might inform the way you think about your own appearance as you go out in the world. So you have to be careful.
- [29:13]
Jamie Greenberg
I mean, we could be talking in a year, and I could be like. Like, she's not on Social anymore.
- [29:18]
Jennifer Goldstein
Because it is.
- [29:18]
Jamie Greenberg
It's. You never know when it's going to take a turn. But unfortunately, it really is the landscape now. It's like, I remember during COVID I was. I bought my daughter a phone because I wanted her to be able to talk to her friends and a lot of her friends that weren't allowed to be on Social and be playing Roblox with each other, whatever. They definitely suffered mentally during that time. And I feel like the girls that all would talk every day, it was better for them.
- [29:44]
Jennifer Goldstein
Yeah, we're social. We're social animals.
- [29:46]
Jamie Greenberg
We're social animals. And there are a lot of negative things about social media. Don't get me wrong, there are a ton of bad things, but that's everything in life. There's always positives and negatives, pros and cons, and it's about the moderation of it all. Meanwhile, my son plays 19 Hours of Fortnite a day, but don't tell anyone.
- [30:05]
Jennifer Goldstein
What's he into now? Atlas is big on saying, I can't even keep up with the video. Games. But, yeah, I think if you. If you. If you keep the communication lines open, it certainly helps.
- [30:15]
Jamie Greenberg
Yeah.
- [30:16]
Jennifer Goldstein
Does your daughter wear Jamie makeup?
- [30:18]
Jamie Greenberg
Of course she does. Yes. And she gives it to all her friends, and she'll be like, mom, the bloss. And I'm like, you're so cute.
- [30:24]
Jennifer Goldstein
Yeah. Well, also, I just. It's one of those lines that the artists you work with, like, the packaging is just so fun, and I think that's, like, a lot of these brands looked so fun and cool, and all of a sudden you step back, you're like, oh, they do look like toys. If I. If, like, someone came from outer space and came to Sephora, they'd be like, is this the toy store? Yes. But I love that you've leaned into that because you do have such a fun personality, and your products are fun. What was the first product you made for Jamie makeup?
- [30:50]
Jamie Greenberg
It was the Blylighter, which is a blush highlighter hybrid. I gotta send you a little.
- [30:55]
Jennifer Goldstein
Why that product first?
- [30:57]
Jamie Greenberg
Because it was the first product. Well, it was just gonna be, like, a one product, and we'll. Then that'll be that, and we'll see what happens. And it was the product that I would spend the most time making to put on my girls. So I would, like, put four different products together and put it on their.
- [31:11]
Jennifer Goldstein
Cheeks for the red carpet girls meeting celebrity clients. Not. We've moved away from. Not from everyone's personal.
- [31:16]
Jamie Greenberg
From Linda and accounting down the street. Well, now she wears it too, but yeah. So I was like, you know what? I feel like this is something that I should make because I don't have it. And so I made it. It did really well. We made all our money back in, like, two months. And then I was like, maybe I'll do something else. And then we did the Bloss. And each product that comes out, I have found me and my creative team. Caveat. Hello, Caveat. Shout out to Evan and Josh. We find an artist somewhere in the world to design the packaging in our color, brand identity.
- [31:49]
Jennifer Goldstein
I know. It's so cool.
- [31:50]
Jamie Greenberg
Thank you. Because I love art, and I love street art, and I love artists. Art's really tough to make a living in. So if we can highlight artists, and they're all so talented, I try to buy a piece of their artwork to put in my house.
- [32:03]
Jennifer Goldstein
Oh, that's cool.
- [32:04]
Jamie Greenberg
Yeah. Because I'm like, oh, they. I know them.
- [32:07]
Jennifer Goldstein
I asked about the Bly lighter because I feel like even looking at your work and having known your work for a little bit, that you have always been a Blush girly, and I feel like finally, in the last year or two, people have understood. I don't know. My thinking was that when Selena Gomez did the rare beauty and that blush blew up was when the masses understood the power of blush. But I don't know. Do you love that people are wearing blush again?
- [32:33]
Jamie Greenberg
I mean, I think Blush is the underdog of the cosmetics world. Yes. I mean, you could have blush and nothing else. And you look awake. I mean, this pinching of your cheeks goes back to like the 1800s. If you have a flush in your cheek. Look at that. I just like, oh, that looks good, right?
- [32:51]
Jennifer Goldstein
She doesn't even need the blylighter.
- [32:53]
Jamie Greenberg
I don't need anything. Yeah. But it makes you look awake and alive, and it's great.
- [32:58]
Jennifer Goldstein
Is it a non negotiable when you're doing someone's makeup like you're gonna have blush on?
- [33:02]
Jamie Greenberg
Yeah, I mean, I really.
- [33:03]
Jennifer Goldstein
Because, you know, there's people that sit in a chair and are like, no blush.
- [33:06]
Jamie Greenberg
Yes, I do.
- [33:07]
Jennifer Goldstein
What do you say to them?
- [33:08]
Jamie Greenberg
I say, fine, if we're not gonna do a color, let's do some sort of bronzer blush. Because it'll just give you a little bit more dimension. It'll warm up.
- [33:17]
Jennifer Goldstein
Up those cheeks.
- [33:18]
Jamie Greenberg
Yeah. So if we have to do like a nude or just bronzy, that'll work. And they're like, okay.
- [33:23]
Jennifer Goldstein
What do people get wrong about applying blush? I feel like that's why some people had issues with it because placement was always hard.
- [33:29]
Jamie Greenberg
Placement is hard because you don't want anything, especially as you get older, you don't want anything to drag you down because everything's already starting to fall. I. I mean, I am seeing a lot of the trends starting to get higher. And even in this area right now, like, we're doing this whole around the eye.
- [33:43]
Jennifer Goldstein
She's doing a circle. See everyone, like, up near the, like, goggles. Yeah, that's. Is that the doyen look a little bit too, maybe? Like that high?
- [33:52]
Jamie Greenberg
Yeah.
- [33:52]
Jennifer Goldstein
Came from Korean Asia with the high blush. Right under the eye and around.
- [33:56]
Jamie Greenberg
Exactly. Yep. It used to be, like, blended out the whole. Yes. So, I mean, I like that. I like. I still go here. I just make sure not to bring.
- [34:03]
Jennifer Goldstein
It too far down once we get into a nasolabial. Sorry, I said that wrong. The naso.
- [34:09]
Jamie Greenberg
No, you said it right.
- [34:10]
Jennifer Goldstein
What's the word? Yeah, you sounded funny when it came out.
- [34:12]
Jamie Greenberg
I know.
- [34:14]
Jennifer Goldstein
Nasolabial folds. That's too low.
- [34:18]
Jamie Greenberg
It's too low. Yeah. If you're putting it above your mouth. Keep it high. High and tight. Tight and high.
- [34:25]
Jennifer Goldstein
Speaking of things, drooping eyelids. I feel like, even if not with age, just some genetics. Some people like a heavy eyelid. All the eye tricks and things that we learned on YouTube and whatever. It's hard when you have no eyelid to speak of because it's coming down over the lower eyelid or you have a monolid. What's your story? What do you do for. I now have a. This is the personal portion of the podcast where Jen gets personalized makeup help. But like this outer skin, that's like a heavier.
- [34:53]
Jamie Greenberg
You mean this?
- [34:54]
Jennifer Goldstein
Do you need. Do you have to wear eyeshadow?
- [34:56]
Jamie Greenberg
What do you do?
- [34:57]
Jennifer Goldstein
Oh, you have it a little when you just did that.
- [34:59]
Jamie Greenberg
I have it a lot.
- [35:00]
Jennifer Goldstein
I've seen you do like a video here and there about it. Yeah.
- [35:03]
Jamie Greenberg
Hooded lids.
- [35:04]
Jennifer Goldstein
Honey, what's your take on how to.
- [35:06]
Jamie Greenberg
So with the hooded lids? Man, I'm going to tell you. Lashes change your life. I mean, I love putting on a fake lash.
- [35:12]
Jennifer Goldstein
A full lifty lash. Okay.
- [35:14]
Jamie Greenberg
See how that. You can't even tell I have hooded lip, but I have real. I mean, I could get them.
- [35:18]
Jennifer Goldstein
The lashes, they're like a little fork.
- [35:19]
Jamie Greenberg
To hold up the eyelid.
- [35:21]
Jennifer Goldstein
It's like a fence. It's a fence put up the fences to hold the skin up. You make sure you have a nice firm curl. Mascara. I don't joke. My uncle had to end up getting Botox because he had something where it covered his vision. The eyelid skin was getting too low. So it's no joke.
- [35:39]
Jamie Greenberg
It's no joke. My friend, a coach of mine from college was like, when I put my helmet on, I can't see because the. My eyes cover. The skin on my eyes come down. So they. So that. That's a little tip for your insurance. They paid for her upper blf, it's called. So you cut this.
- [35:57]
Jennifer Goldstein
Yes, the bleph is very popular right now.
- [35:59]
Jamie Greenberg
It's very popular. But you know what I got? And it has made a huge difference.
- [36:03]
Jennifer Goldstein
Tell me.
- [36:03]
Jamie Greenberg
I've been going to this guy In Beverly Hills, Dr. Nathan Newman, plugging him. He gave me this.
- [36:08]
Jennifer Goldstein
This.
- [36:09]
Jamie Greenberg
It's just micro needling, but it's with plant stem cells. He's like the pioneer. He's been studying it for like 25 years. And I gotta tell you, because if you look at some of my past videos, I don't have any space here. It's literally this whole thing is just covering. And like, my dad has this. And now I have space. Like you can see my lid.
- [36:31]
Jennifer Goldstein
So it triggers like a tightening effect.
- [36:33]
Jamie Greenberg
Almost a tightening and like collagen turnover.
- [36:36]
Jennifer Goldstein
And like without having to have a bleph, which is basically cutting the extra skin out.
- [36:40]
Jamie Greenberg
He told me that too. He's like, now you can do a neck lift. You can do like all this stuff with stem cells, plant stem cells, and.
- [36:49]
Jennifer Goldstein
They were micro needled into your skin, so a little tiny puncture to let them go deeper into the skin. And you really noticed a difference, huh?
- [36:55]
Jamie Greenberg
Yes. It's crazy. And like, I feel like I try so much stuff and I'm just like. Like a lot of things don't work. A lot of products don't work. And so when I find something, I'm like, oh, my God. Because I actually went to Dr. Groth and got a. I went and got. I waited a year to see him because everybody goes to. All the celebrities go to him and. Just kidding. The celebrities don't get eye jobs. Yeah. So I went in and he's like, yeah, we could do a little pull here. And he's like, a lot of people are doing the brow lift, but you don't need that. I got scared. I was like, I don't know, I don't want to mess with.
- [37:31]
Jennifer Goldstein
So you ended up not getting it.
- [37:33]
Jamie Greenberg
I didn't get that. So I was trying to look at alternative things.
- [37:35]
Jennifer Goldstein
Another way to tighten up the upper lid. That's funny. I have a thing going. My dermatologist is retiring, but I still have a deal with her. When it's time for me to get the upper bleph, she has to let me know. You know, your friends and loved ones won't. They'll be like, you look great, blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, you're my derm, you let me know. So this year, no. Still no.
- [37:52]
Jamie Greenberg
But who's your derm?
- [37:53]
Jennifer Goldstein
Maybe I'll just. I'll be texting you pictures to me from now. Is it time? Is it time? It's a time for the bleph. You send me yours, I'll send you mine.
- [38:00]
Jamie Greenberg
Okay.
- [38:01]
Jennifer Goldstein
And that's when we go to Dr. Groff is who's going to do it for me.
- [38:04]
Jamie Greenberg
He's the man. He'll pro. I hope me.
- [38:05]
Jennifer Goldstein
Well, wasn't that the greatest day? You went in, he was like, you don't really need. Like, he wasn't even thinking you needed it. So when the plastic surgeon tells you, go home.
- [38:14]
Jamie Greenberg
Yes, I know. He was like, we could do it, but you could wait a couple more years.
- [38:18]
Jennifer Goldstein
And I was like, okay, then let's wait.
- [38:22]
Jamie Greenberg
Yeah, I. After. I was just. I got a bug. It was after Covid, so I feel like I was staring at myself all the time.
- [38:29]
Jennifer Goldstein
And we're looking down in the phone screen, and our eyes look heavier anyway, and we're tired, and the stress of the world was sitting on top of our lids.
- [38:39]
Jamie Greenberg
Exactly.
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- [39:22]
Jennifer Goldstein
What question do you get? Like, I just asked my question. But then, like, let's try and give some help to people. What do you question do you get most often about makeup? I get that, oh, it is common. Okay.
- [39:32]
Jamie Greenberg
Yeah, it's very common. And it's funny because when I was first starting to do a lot of the stuff, I'd be like, oh, my God, they have so much real estate on their eyes. So it's mesmerizing to watch somebody put on 800 eyeshadows and primer on top of it to fill in the. And I'm like. It's so. I'm like, I can't do that. What can I do?
- [39:49]
Jennifer Goldstein
Oh, you would have had a field day with Jess Matlin's eyes, my co host. She has so much real estate up there. It's gorgeous.
- [39:55]
Jamie Greenberg
It's so. They're lucky. Okay, So I think the other one that I get all of the time is creasing under the eyes with concealer.
- [40:06]
Jennifer Goldstein
What do you tell the people?
- [40:07]
Jamie Greenberg
Tell us the people. Guys, I'm everyone's personal makeup artist, and what you need to do is you gotta play around with concealers. Just, like, you have to find the jeans that fit your body. And once you find that, I definitely recommend using brushes to blend your eyeshadow like you would a blending brush to blend your concealer. But also, when I'm with a client for an entire day, I get paid to stay with them the entire day to touch them up. So, like, people really want a product that's gonna last all day, but it's not really real. It's gonna crease. There are fine lines, there is texture, there is moisture and humidity, and sometimes you have to retouch. And that's what's great about makeup. It's compact. You can throw it in your purse. You have a little mirror, and you touch up. It's fun. It's a break. It's a makeup meditation, you know, that you can take. And remember to breathe and just collect yourself.
- [41:03]
Jennifer Goldstein
When you say touch up, do you want them to put more product on or can they take that fluffy brush? Because that's the other thing. I don't think people use a fluffy brush with concealer. They think they need the little pointy, flat tip one that says concealer on the side.
- [41:13]
Jamie Greenberg
Yep.
- [41:14]
Jennifer Goldstein
But you use a fluffier brush, it sounds like, to blend it out.
- [41:17]
Jamie Greenberg
Break the rules. I'm going to show, like, this is the type of brush you would use to blend your shadow.
- [41:23]
Jennifer Goldstein
Like a. She's giving us a sort of a dome kind of.
- [41:26]
Jamie Greenberg
Yeah.
- [41:26]
Jennifer Goldstein
Like a nicely packed bristle. Use that to buff out the concealer so it's not so heavy in your crease.
- [41:32]
Jamie Greenberg
In the creases, exactly. I mean, Il macchiage is. I keep getting fed this on Instagram, and I have to tell you, I bought. I do buy things. I bought their foundation ones. Cause I was like, man, they are. They are selling me. They have so many ads going. They're rich. But I bought it and I liked it. And so I. Now I'm getting served with a concealer. I'm like, I think I have to try that because I haven't tried that concealer yet.
- [41:55]
Jennifer Goldstein
The il Maquillage concealer. Yeah. What I love when you take us shopping in the stores in your little videos, what concealer do you. Do you like for someone that's. This will wear pretty long throughout the day. Like, I don't have Jamie in my pocket to touch me up. Like, what do you suggest? This probably wouldn't be the red carpet one. This would be more like the real girl one.
- [42:14]
Jamie Greenberg
Yeah. I mean, low end. I like the Maybelline that. I think it's. What is it called?
- [42:19]
Jennifer Goldstein
Age rewind with the little.
- [42:20]
Jamie Greenberg
Yeah, so I like that one. It's so good. And for the price, it's like, you can't beat it.
- [42:25]
Jennifer Goldstein
I don't love the sponge applicator, but I'll swipe it on with that and then blend it in another way.
- [42:30]
Jamie Greenberg
They should do one of those swab tests to see.
- [42:33]
Jennifer Goldstein
What do you mean, swab test?
- [42:34]
Jamie Greenberg
Do you watch any of those videos? Oh, my God. They go swab the testers at Sephor and then put it under a microscope.
- [42:40]
Jennifer Goldstein
Ew. Oh, no.
- [42:45]
Jamie Greenberg
That's why you gotta throw your stuff away. I like Want to go buy? I'm like, let's go get a biology set and start doing that on your stuff. Because my daughter's like, that is the.
- [42:53]
Jennifer Goldstein
On my own stuff. I don't even want to know what My own makeup. My own makeup bag. I don't preach what I practice. Wait. I don't practice what I preach. Like, yep. I'm like, oh, you got to clean your brushes every week. And then I'm like, sorry, paring spirit's expensive, and I got to wait another week before I get it out. How much brush cleaner do you go through in your job?
- [43:12]
Jamie Greenberg
I'm gonna be honest with you. I do a heavy wash after every application.
- [43:16]
Jennifer Goldstein
Right.
- [43:17]
Jamie Greenberg
A soap and water.
- [43:19]
Jennifer Goldstein
Oh, with soap, you use soap and water, and that gets out, like, foundation out of a brush for you.
- [43:23]
Jamie Greenberg
Yeah, it's meant to break down oil. It's called. Why am I blanking on the name Zote? It was meant to take out stains in your pants. And you can get it. It's like. It's called Zote. I actually made a video about it and called it Zote and got roasted. So now I know it's Zote, and I do like, a heavy. It takes down any oils. It breaks down literally anything. And it really is nice to your brushes because if you use certain soaps that have, like, volumizer or anything in it, it can kind of ruin the hair on the brushes. So you have to be careful that.
- [43:56]
Jennifer Goldstein
It'S kind to the brushes.
- [43:58]
Jamie Greenberg
It's kind to the brushes. And after every single makeup application, I use it.
- [44:03]
Jennifer Goldstein
Even on your own face?
- [44:04]
Jamie Greenberg
Not on my own face. That I do. I would say I do it. To be honest. I want to say once a week, but it's really, like, every once. Okay.
- [44:11]
Jennifer Goldstein
I feel a little bit better. But of course, I expect your sanitation on your clients kits and face to be top notch.
- [44:18]
Jamie Greenberg
Sometimes I would spray, and depending on the client, some people are, like, really sensitive to the texture or the smell of it. And so I just was like, all right, I guess I can't use that. But, I mean, it's easiest for people at home to do that on their brushes, because that you can once a week or so. Yeah, you could take a paper towel and just go back and forth and get it all off.
- [44:37]
Jennifer Goldstein
So satisfying. You mentioned your drugstore favorite concealer, and then it cut you off. Was there another one that was more high end that you like for an everyday concealer?
- [44:45]
Jamie Greenberg
There's so many good ones now. There's a lot of good ones. I mean, I Used to be, like, strictly clay de Peau, which is a drier consistency, but it's a beautiful finish. And then I was really into Nars radiant creamy formula, which was like, like, so good. But now there's all these brands that are making so many good ones, like doll 10 or tower 28 or make. I really like Makes. That one's really nice. Or Cosas.
- [45:09]
Jennifer Goldstein
Yeah, but you're naming all those are all kind of creamy ones. You're into like, a more a creamy texture.
- [45:14]
Jamie Greenberg
Yes.
- [45:15]
Jennifer Goldstein
You said the clay to play was a drier one, but that one's drier.
- [45:18]
Jamie Greenberg
And Bobby Brown has those, like, cakes, and those are very dry and nice, especially if you have. So a lot of people try to use the same concealer under their eyes they do on, like, a zit or, like, a imperfection mark. And a lot of times a creamy will work better on the mark because it's so dry and has a lot of texture to begin with, and you don't want to highlight that. And then a drier one can work. If you don't have dry under eyes, Maybe the dryer one works better because it sticks better. Sometimes you got to switch it up, and sometimes your body, I feel like, becomes immune to the products that you use over and over and over again.
- [45:52]
Jennifer Goldstein
All the cosmetic chemists will tell you that's not true, and I will tell them it is 100% true. We all know. We've all been there for whatever reason. Maybe it's my own skin changing or then they come for you, like glossier bomb.com. you know, they change the formula and, like, their audience will not let anybody forget it because everybody wants the old one back. So I know sometimes the formulas are changed, but sometimes your face changes. What about you personally? What are you loving right now? Are you into fragrance at all?
- [46:19]
Jamie Greenberg
I am into fragrance. Okay. So I definitely like the new Missing person by Floor Ph. It's so good.
- [46:27]
Jennifer Goldstein
Creamy, musky sheets. Just you, but better.
- [46:31]
Jamie Greenberg
Yes. Blowing in the way. It's like your. Yeah, your epicurious life. You're just like in a Nancy Myers movie with your crisp linen shirt and your.
- [46:41]
Jennifer Goldstein
That's the vision that's painted for. Okay, show me. What is this? I was like, that's not my vision for Missing person, but I like it.
- [46:48]
Jamie Greenberg
I know. Well, actually, the name threw me off. I was like, who names? I don't like that negative name of missing person. That's scary to me.
- [46:56]
Jennifer Goldstein
Well, she said she was on our podcast and told us that it was a relationship ends and the Smell of the sheets are like an old T shirt of theirs that still smells like them. Like, that's the vibe she was going for.
- [47:06]
Jamie Greenberg
Oh, so dark. I listened to a lot of True Crime, so I went the other way with that one. Yeah, I was like the milk car.
- [47:15]
Jennifer Goldstein
Nancy Meyers in a crisp white shirt who then got kidnapped or something and now is missing.
- [47:21]
Jamie Greenberg
This is a brand. I, I. What I like about this brand, I think it's a brand out of Canada. It's called State of Change. I just reached into this drawer. What I love about this is it's like a deodorant.
- [47:36]
Jennifer Goldstein
It's like a little solid perfume. And they're so cute.
- [47:39]
Jamie Greenberg
I love it.
- [47:39]
Jennifer Goldstein
What scent is that that you just put on?
- [47:41]
Jamie Greenberg
This is the Joy. No. Yes, this is Joy. I love Joy.
- [47:47]
Jennifer Goldstein
It's got in the pink container.
- [47:48]
Jamie Greenberg
That's in the pink container. And then this one's Grace. It's in the yellow one. This is a little bit more. I'm so bad with. I mean, I. I have a really good sense of smell, but I never know what it is.
- [47:58]
Jennifer Goldstein
I'm like, what the note is. Yeah, but even if someone told you, then you'd remember, like, that's Frasia or whatever it is.
- [48:04]
Jamie Greenberg
Right.
- [48:05]
Jennifer Goldstein
That one is. You're like, it smells good.
- [48:07]
Jamie Greenberg
It smells good, guys. I like it. And I like this because anytime I travel, I feel like it gets kind of messy. And so these I don't have to worry about. I just throw them in the bag. So I. I'm into this brand. I love. I love Sense.
- [48:22]
Jennifer Goldstein
I could keep you here all day asking you for, like, a tour of your makeup kit, but that'll be for part two, maybe, because I have to make time. That'll be part two. Maybe Jess will come back. We'll have a reunion. But before we let you go, I have to do the Fat Mascara 5 with you. You're a listener, so you're prepared. You understand that this is a game, and it's sort of like word association, so don't overthink it. Okay?
- [48:43]
Jamie Greenberg
Okay.
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Jennifer Goldstein
Jamie. Jamie Greenberg. Jamie Makeup. What's the first beauty product you ever fell in love with?
- [48:47]
Jamie Greenberg
Ralph Lauren. Lauren. The perfume.
- [48:52]
Jennifer Goldstein
Purple Square, Gold Circle. I know.
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Jamie Greenberg
Yes.
- [48:55]
Jennifer Goldstein
Great one. Okay. Who would play you in a movie about your life?
- [48:59]
Jamie Greenberg
Oh, my God. Solely Moon Fry.
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Jennifer Goldstein
Oh, Punky Brewster.
- [49:03]
Jamie Greenberg
Yeah, she's got big boobs. I don't know.
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Jennifer Goldstein
I can see it. I can see it.
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Jamie Greenberg
Okay, maybe a little bit.
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Jennifer Goldstein
Yeah, totally. What's your favorite snack?
- [49:12]
Jamie Greenberg
I love mini saltines.
- [49:16]
Jennifer Goldstein
Okay. I didn't even know this existed. Does it taste just like a regular saltine cracker? Do you have the driest mouth ever? There's no what happens? No moisture with those. Okay.
- [49:28]
Jamie Greenberg
Isn't that an odd snack?
- [49:29]
Jennifer Goldstein
Yeah, no, nothing's odd. I don't judge. I'm not gonna yuck your yum, but I'm now intrigued and want to find mini saltines and try for myself.
- [49:37]
Jamie Greenberg
They're really good. I should send them to you with the Bly lighter also for sweet. I'm gonna go Rocky Road by the pint Classic.
- [49:45]
Jennifer Goldstein
Okay, no cheating. This is truly answer directly. What is the not. Doesn't have to be beauty. Just anything. The last thing that you paid for. Like today, probably you bought something. Maybe, I don't know.
- [49:57]
Jamie Greenberg
Oh, my God, yes. You know what I bought today? Vaseline. A big tub of Vaseline. Because I run and I'm chafing, and I'm gonna use that because I saw some runner using it.
- [50:08]
Jennifer Goldstein
Also, you should get. Megababe has a great chafing.
- [50:12]
Jamie Greenberg
Actually, I have hers and I use it. I mean, I use all of Katie Storino's products. I am obsessed with her. I ran out of it, and I was in a bind because I just.
- [50:21]
Jennifer Goldstein
And you're like, we'll go with the Vaseline. Hear that, Katie? Send Jamie some more. Some more product.
- [50:26]
Jamie Greenberg
Okay. But I use. I wear her everything.
- [50:29]
Jennifer Goldstein
Last question. What do you need to get a good night's sleep to get your beauty sleep?
- [50:33]
Jamie Greenberg
I love the Oura ring.
- [50:35]
Jennifer Goldstein
So you put on the ring to help. What does it do?
- [50:38]
Jamie Greenberg
So the Oura ring will track your sleep. So if you have a bad night's sleep, it'll be like, are you traveling? Did you have alcohol? Did you have caffeine past this hour? Did you this, do you that? And you start to track it, and you realize your habits, and you're like, oh, I did this, and that's why I didn't sleep well. Or I did this, and this is why I woke up.
- [50:55]
Jennifer Goldstein
It helped you find out how to get a good night's sleep.
- [50:58]
Jamie Greenberg
Yes, I like it cold. My husband literally called me a vampire this morning and said, I'm slowly killing.
- [51:04]
Jennifer Goldstein
Our family because you like it so cold and dark.
- [51:06]
Jamie Greenberg
I bought something called a chili. Chili mat. What's it called? Chili mat.
- [51:11]
Jennifer Goldstein
I need this because I can't afford to keep the air conditioner pumping in the summer as cold as I want it. It's so bad for the environment. I don't want to do that. What's the chili mat?
- [51:19]
Jamie Greenberg
Okay, so it's this. You fill it with water hoses attached to. It's like a cube, and it's attached to this mattress pad that you put on your mattress. And you can buy just so it's on my side of the bed because I let. I'm dead inside. And I like it, like, 65 degrees. And it pumps freezing water. But, you know, you can also pump hot water if you like it hot. So when it got to be the winter, I just turned. I don't have the heat running in the house, and it's been getting colder and colder. I know LA people don't think it gets cold here, but it's been like, in the low 40s in the morning. And so in the house, it's like 62 degrees. And my husband's like, reading articles, and he's like, your pulmonary system shuts down. I'm like, no, it doesn't.
- [51:59]
Jennifer Goldstein
Wait, that's my thermostat, like, in the winter. And I even try to get it to 60 sometimes. And my husband's like, no, 62. But I want to be under comforters and cold, but. So you could put warm water. So instead of turning the heat on the whole house, you can have your chili mat or whatever it's called. See episode description. We will come up with the name.
- [52:17]
Jamie Greenberg
I'm, like, blanking on the name, but I love it. And so my husband's like, I turned it off when we started getting. When it got cold because I didn't need it. Like, I was sleeping with socks. That's how cold it was. But now he's like, you need to put on your chili pad, and you need to just do your thing. And I was like, okay. He's like, because we're all freezing and you're a vampire. And I'm like, okay.
- [52:35]
Jennifer Goldstein
Aw, mom needs her chili pad.
- [52:37]
Jamie Greenberg
Yeah, I sleep better in the cold.
- [52:38]
Jennifer Goldstein
Okay, name. Yeah, I get it. I get it. We want you to get your beauty sleep. Oh, my gosh. It was so fun hanging out with you. You're exactly who you are on your reels and your tiktoks. So much fun. I knew you. Thank you for coming on the show.
- [52:51]
Jamie Greenberg
You are too. Thanks for having me. And hopefully I'll meet you IRL one of these days. We hope you enjoyed the show.
- [52:58]
Jennifer Goldstein
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- [53:09]
Jessica Matlin
Beauty questions and hear what products you love to share a raise, a wand product review, or to ask a beauty question. Email us at infoatmascara.
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Jennifer Goldstein
If you send it as a voice memo file, we can even share your voice on the podcast. You can also do that by leaving us a voice message. Our phone number in the United States is 646-481-8182.
- [53:28]
Jessica Matlin
Thanks so much for listening.
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