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Jen
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Jess
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Garrett
Hi everybody welcome to Fat Mascara. I'm Garrett.
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Jen
He's Garrett. I'm Jen. It's a podcast about beauty culture. Thank you for taking the lead there, Garrett.
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Garrett
This is my first time leading. I'm so excited.
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Jen
I was like, you say hi to everyone. I'm not feeling well, so I'm giving everybody a heads up. Garrett's like, we need to not record. And I was like, we must record. But I'm a little off today. But luckily we have Dr. Muntz, who's not a doctor in the house, to talk about all things beauty culture. But I'm going to be leaning heavily on you, Garrett, to lead the fam through the wide world of beauty culture this week. Because I'm.
- [03:12]
Garrett
You can lead on me. That's what I'm here for.
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Jen
Yay. I know what I need. I need a week at the White Lotus in Thailand, like you have.
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Garrett
Funny you should mention that, because I literally just did that.
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Jen
I want to hear everything. So while Garrett was away, the White Lotus Season 3 premiered. If you're not familiar, intrigue, mayhem, sometimes murder in a fancy, fancy resort that is not unlike an Amman A Six Senses. Or in your case, you went to the actual. Tell us everything. You went to the actual place this White Lotus season is filmed, right?
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Garrett
Yes. So I hope the story comes out before this episode airs. If it does not, we'll still link to it eventually. But I basically was invited by the Four Seasons in Thailand to live the White Lotus life for about a week.
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Jen
It's a hard job Garrett has here. Everyone has hard job.
- [04:08]
Garrett
It was really difficult. I take my job very seriously. So I was digging in, I was living the life. And so the bulk of my stay was at the Four Seasons Koh Samui, which is where they actually filmed about 80% of this season. Not everything you see on the episodes is there, but all of the kind of. I would say 80%, most of it is there. And it is one of the most beautiful properties I've ever been to in my life. It was my first time in Thailand in general, so I was super stoked to be there. Completely fell in love with the culture, the food, the people. Like, literally want to go back tomorrow. I would go. It's just. It's a really cool place. And my part of why I went was because I think this season particularly deals the most with wellness.
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Jen
Oh, yeah.
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Garrett
Because, you know, this season, the White Lotus Resort is styled as kind of a wellness resort.
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Jen
Places that you and I have gone to over the years are like that. In our travels as Beauty editors. Yeah, totally. Like, they do not just yoga. There was the person who gave the, like, meditation and then.
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Garrett
And, like, there's like, a posture session.
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Jen
Oh, yeah. The teenage boy on the show. The teenage boy needs to have a posture session.
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Garrett
Totally. And, you know, a lot of the comedy, at least in the first few episodes, comes from kind of the different levels of comfort that these characters have in a wellness setting. You know, like, the family. The Ratliff family is, like, so resistant to, like, giving up their phones for the, like, you know, digital detox. And there's a lot of that. And this whole idea of, like, we are gonna get biometrics tests when we get in so that someone can formulate a plan for us. And I've been to a lot of those kind of retreats, and they're really interesting and really fun, and there always are people that are resistant, no matter how much they're paying to be there.
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Jen
Yeah.
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Garrett
But the Four Seasons in real life is not actually a wellness resort. I would say it's not like, that level of wellness. There's definitely. Because Thai culture is very spiritual and very wellness driven. I mean, think about. One of their biggest cultural experts is.
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Jen
The massage technique, the Thai massage.
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Garrett
I got a lot of Thai massages, y'all. It was insane. I mean, I love a Thai massage in general, but having one in Thailand is, like, a whole nother level.
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Jen
I'm not really a treatment person like you. That's one of my favorite treatments in the world in the. Where you get to wear the cool cotton pajamas. The pajamas. And it's, like, active stretching. Quite a bit of it, yes.
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Garrett
I love an active massage in general because I don't. I feel like for my body and what I need. I need more of, like, a stretch movement combined with massage. But these are so. I mean, beyond. I got a lot of Reiki, weirdly enough.
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Jen
Okay.
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Garrett
And it was awesome. At Koh Samui, I did a Reiki session with the guy who basically, Parker Posey, when she was filming there, fell in love with and got, like, a thousand treatments from and still goes back to Thailand to get Reik.
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Jen
Oh. I didn't even see the story come out of this season. Wait, and she's from North. Her character's from North Carolina. Like you, I think. Right.
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Garrett
So I also want to take a note. This is a total sidebar, but there's been a lot of discussion about the accent. Her accent in this season. And let me just say that as someone from North Carolina, from the area that this family is supposed to be From.
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Jen
Yeah.
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Garrett
These accents are spot on.
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Jen
Oh, my God. Garrett?
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Garrett
No. Piper? No. Tsunami.
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Jen
You got a massage. I just have to tell you, it's not exaggerated.
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Garrett
This family is, like, who I grew up with.
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Jen
Really?
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Garrett
Yes.
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Jen
Okay.
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Garrett
See?
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Jen
The perfect person to write this story.
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Garrett
I wouldn't say that Parker Posey reminds me of my mother, but she's definitely. She would have been friends with my mother. And the father sounds and acts exactly like my uncle. Oh, my God, that's funny. So I'm, like, invested in this season on multiple levels.
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Jen
Okay. No spoiler alerts if you haven't seen the season, though. I just saw. My husband told me that the episode we just watched was the most watched episode of all the seasons of everything. But I wanted to talk to you. Cause I knew you were at this resort and I knew you had watched some of the show. The three women that are the main characters played by. Cause I never remember a character's name, but it's Carrie Coon.
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Garrett
Leslie Babb.
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Jen
Yes. And Monahan.
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Garrett
Michelle Monahan.
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Jen
Okay, so here's my. I have this theory about the look of these women in the show. I was talking to another beauty editor about this, and we both know that when you're doing movie and TV film makeup, they will give you, like, fake teeth to make a character or prosthetic nose to make a character. The first couple episodes those women are on the screen, I remember thinking that two of them, the two that are the more high maintenance women, looked a little sandblasted, like, a little done. That kind of way of, like, rich lady that had some work, but it's really good work. And I was thinking, do you think TV actresses or movie actresses ever get too much Botox or an extra peel to, like, inhabit the character? Like, not bad cosmetic work, but, like, I wonder if the makeup artist was like, you know what? This character would definitely have some serious Botox in her forehead. Can we get that done before you start filming? Do you know what I mean?
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Garrett
I mean, maybe I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, they don't look bad.
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Jen
They're beautiful women.
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Garrett
No, they're gorgeous.
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Jen
I'm not out here to, like, be guessing what they get done, but, like, you know that quality of skin when you've been p50ing and you get your weekly peels and you're like. That is so perfectly stretched.
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Garrett
And also has. It has a little bit of a sheen to it.
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Jen
The sheen. I mean, also, they're in Thailand and it's a tropical region, and maybe they're sweating. But I remember Carrie Coon, who's the more hippie, not as put together of this trio? Didn't look like that to me. She looked much more natural.
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Garrett
Yeah. I think it also has to do with. I think, honestly, my theory is that it's mostly makeup. But, I mean, as we know, like, from the actual writing of the show, like, there's that whole conversation. It's like, what have you done? Oh, just the basics.
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Jen
Oh, right. And then they talk about it. So I was like.
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Garrett
And you're kind of like, what are the basics, girl?
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Jen
Like, if you're a makeup artist, you read the script and you see that these characters are discussing the basics. For an LA actress and a Texas, I think she doesn't have a job. Of course, these are the type of people that are going to be having cosmetic treatments, and so they're gonna have great brows that are perfectly shaped and just that kind of quiet, luxury makeup. But if I was a makeup artist, I'd been like, if you don't mind, let's shoot you up with a little stuff so you look like, really look like one of those characters.
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Garrett
I wonder if an actress would be open to actually doing that, or if there's ways. I mean, this is something that we should ask, like a celebrity.
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Jen
Yeah. I've been asking around because I keep. So I asked some. So far, I'm still reporting this out. But, like, I've asked some Hollywood makeup artists, so far, nobody has said that they have heard of people getting not great work because the character has not great work. It's always that they are getting, like, a prosthetic work or getting dental work or getting things that you wouldn't think about to change a character. But, like, now that we have all these other ways to change a face, why would you put prosthetic fake skin that looks smooth as porcelain when you can get them sandblasted with a chemical peel and put a bunch of reversible filler tox in there. The filler. The filler alone, you could fill out someone's. You know what I mean?
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Garrett
Yeah, I mean, I guess. Yeah. I think in a case like a White Lotus, I can see people being more open to that. Cause they were there filming for, like, seven months. But also think about it, like, if you're filming in LA and you have other commitments outside of your filming schedule, like, you have to go to events or red carpets or whatever. You don't want to show up looking crazy.
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Jen
Because that has happened in the past where, like, somebody shaves their head and they're on the red Carpet. And we're all like, what are they doing? What a statement. And then it's like, of course it's for a job that we then find out later that they were doing. So I wonder if ever we've picked apart. I don't mean you and I, but just media and society in general. An actress for a particular choice and then come to find that, like, it was because they were filming something. I don't know.
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Garrett
I mean, I think people are much more open to changing their hair. Cause it could grow bad than getting.
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Jen
Like, a medical procedure in the name.
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Garrett
Of a. I think that there's probably a lot of ways that we don't even realize that a makeup artist, especially a special effects makeup artist, could make your skin look. I mean, it's not just more bronzer and more illuminator. You know, it's like, there's definitely, like, you could do the Pat McGrath glass.
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Jen
Mask on how long? That's funny you said that. Cause today I was looking a little dry and peaked. And I put on issamaya core. You know, Isamiya, the makeup, or Isamaya, she says she's been on the show. She has a new core line for Sephora and the face glaze. And I was patting it in and I was just like, oh, I look like dewy sheen. That is kind of what the vibe was, that if they're in air conditioning but have to look like they're sweating. Anyway, let me put this around.
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Garrett
I think also back to those three women. I think that they're purposely making Carrie coo. Cause she's a beautiful woman. I think that they're purposely making her look frumpier than the other two because, you know, she has fairer skin. They're not bronzing her. They're not really doing her hair as much. It's kind of always the same. The other two are, like, glammed up.
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Jen
More highlights in their hair. Yeah, yeah.
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Garrett
Different hairstyles. Just on that. On that note, too, I stayed in the house that they stop it or that they stay in.
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Jen
I saw your pictures on Instagram, and I was like, well, it looks just like the TV show. It was the actual. And I couldn't figure out because two of them would be out drinking, and then, like, the other one would be in her quote unquote bedroom. And I was like, is this a whole house?
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Garrett
Yeah. So there's. On this property.
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Jen
You had a whole house to yourself in Thailand.
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Garrett
Me and church.
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Jen
Why weren't we there with you?
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Garrett
I mean, I wish that you had been There. That would have been major. So basically there's 10, what they call residences, which are like multi bedroom houses that you can rent.
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Jen
That explains it.
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Garrett
All the other guest rooms are their own private villas. But then if you have a larger group, you can rent a residence. So it's basically like a central building that's like a.
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Jen
With the little pool. With the tiny pool, a living room.
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Garrett
A pool, all that stuff. And then each bedroom is like its own suite.
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Jen
Did you sleep in every bed in the house?
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Garrett
No, I stayed in the room that had its own pool and it was the room that Leslie Bib's character stays in.
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Jen
Okay. If anybody's watching the show, though, we can picture Garrett in the room that Leslie Bibb was in doing his skincare, just as Leslie Bibb would.
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Garrett
Yeah. In one of the more recent episodes, there's a scene where she walks out of her room and she looks the other two women kind of talking by the fire.
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Jen
I remember.
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Garrett
Yeah, that was my room. Yeah. And it had the best bathtub I've ever been in in my life.
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Jen
Really.
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Garrett
It was terrazzo marble, egg shaped, so large that it fit me, with ample room left over.
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Jen
I was like, oh, did you meet someone? It fit you and who? What?
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Garrett
I didn't get to try the multi person theory, but I was like, this is. If a bathtub can fit me, period. It's a good bathtub because.
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Jen
Oh, yes. For people who don't know you're a tall, muscular man, what are you, 6 3?
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Garrett
I'm a large man. Yeah. 6 3.
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Jen
Okay. That's pretty impressive. All right, let's. So you went to the White Lotus, but it's actually the Four Seasons. It was fab. We're going to read your article. Did you get to do anything else? Did you go beauty shopping? Did you get any other treatments?
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Garrett
So I went to a couple other Four Seasons locations after Koh Samui and when I was in Chiang Mai, which is in the northern part of Thailand, which is also an incredible Four Seasons resort, if anyone. I mean, that was actually one of my favorites. Anyway, I went to a pharmacy. Cause my friend Sheila, who was on the trip, she wanted to go to a grocery store to buy curry powder or curry paste, which I will tell you is a genius souvenir idea. If you're ever traveling abroad and you like going to a grocery store.
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Jen
Spices are one of my favorite things to bring home. Good girl.
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Garrett
Amazing. So next door was a pharmacy, and I was like, guys, we gotta go into this pharmacy and check out what's happening. It Was kind of like. It wasn't like a pharmacy pharmacy. It was like more of like a boots kind of idea, you know? So it was mostly beauty, Pretty much all beauty, like a boot slash ulta vibe. And I got. I mean, I bought a lot of stuff. There is a brand called Skinify or something that our guide from the hotel told us that it was a very popular Thai brand. I've been using it. Not really. I'm curious to see how it works out.
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Jen
Skinify. Skincare products only, I assume.
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Garrett
Yeah, I got, like, a niacinamide serum and, like, a barrier support serum. There a few things that I thought were interesting. So I actually got you a gift, and I have it here, but I'm gonna show it. I'm reading it. So not only did I buy you your favorite.
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Jen
Oh, it's the Biore. The Biore UV sunscreen Aqua Rich that.
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Garrett
You'Ve raised a lot of times.
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Jen
Oh, my God, you're the best.
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Garrett
But they have a new version that just came out called Tone Up.
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Jen
Oh, what is this new packaging with the ombre purple? What's the challenge?
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Garrett
I asked the woman. Cause I can't read Japanese. I asked the woman what it was. She thought I was. I don't know. She was just like, it's brand new. We love it. I was like, okay, cool. So in my own research, it has, like.
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Jen
You're like, I'm on a beauty podcast. I need some more information, please.
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Garrett
I'm like, I need to know the ingredient list. Thank you. I have been wearing it myself.
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Jen
Oh, yeah.
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Garrett
It has a slight purple lavender tint to it.
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Jen
Oh. Hence that packaging. Okay.
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Garrett
Yes.
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Jen
That's supposed to help if you're feeling sallow, by the way.
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Garrett
Yes. It's really good for.
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Jen
I need that today. Cause I'm peeking. I'm serious.
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Garrett
I'm just, like, running over to your apartment later. It actually. It's interesting. It gives you a little. It's a little bit more dewy finish than the original.
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Jen
Okay.
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Garrett
So you have a little bit of a glow, and it's like lavender. So. Yeah. I mean, for me, it kind of helped a little bit with my redness, but I think it would be better for people that go towards, like, yellow undertones.
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Jen
Yeah.
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Garrett
But it's really. I like it. It's cool. I like that they're kind of evolving this Aqua Rich into new things.
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Jen
Yeah. And Biore makes an American version now of Aqua Rich. But as we all know, the sunscreens that are approved in America are different. So you're not getting that, like the tinnisorb one. That's like the good good. But this is the good good.
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Garrett
This is the good good. This is like strictly.
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Jen
If you got me a prezi, of course I couldn't.
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Garrett
It was also bogo. So I was like, I'm gonna buy it for myself. I might as well just get some for Jen too.
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Jen
Oh, thanks. But I love a buy one, get one.
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Garrett
Seriously. It was really funny. Cause the person that was from the hotel that took us was like, that was on sale. And I was like, but what is it? She's like, I don't know. It's on sale. Just get it. And I was like, that's not how I shop. But no, I'm excited for you to try it. I wanna see what you think. Cause I actually. I was traveling last weekend too, down to Florida, and I didn't. Because I'm a carry on only person. I don't ever really. I have a hard time bringing sunscreen, so I used the tone up on my entire body.
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Jen
Yeah. Cause the facial sunscreens come smaller than 3.3. Is it now? Yeah.
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Garrett
And it was interesting. I like the finish. It's like it has a sheen to it, which is kind of interesting.
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Jen
Okay, I'm gonna come grab that from you in your hood and then try it. And usually you can find those online. Even if I'll report back. Wait, I know you were in Florida. That actually is gonna bring us to the news because you have done some reporting for us, correct?
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Garrett
Yes. I went to the AAD national meeting.
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Jen
American Academy of Dermatology. Yeah. Let's get into the show proper. Just everybody beware. Garrett's just going to be our leading anchor on the news tonight. Like, as if we're like a duo on the TV news. All right, let's get into it. Jess, I know we've talked about Olive and June nail polish on the podcast, but the brand doesn't just do polish. They make the whole act of getting a manicure easier with their systems.
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Jess
The Olive and June mani system has completely changed the way things are rolling at my house. Game changer. When I have the mani system, they look fresh, they look clean, they look polished. No pun intended. And actually, some people have thought that I actually went to the salon and got them done, which was high praise.
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Jen
Oh, my God. Same. The polish itself is great and the color lasts really long without chipping. But the system has it all. They have tools. The remover, the cleanup brush, the file, the cuticle serum, the top coat, your choice of cigarettes, polished colors. Best thing in the box though is the poppy. That's the thing you call the doohickey, but it's called the poppy and you pop it on the brush's top and it makes it easier to hold and balance so you can do both hands perfectly even if you're not like ambidextrous. I'm also obsessed with their Valentine's Day mini polish set they have right now. You get bottles of four sequin heart polishes. You can wear them on their own or as top coats. The Cupid who shade is so cute. It has tiny black hearts and like little sequins it looks like fishnets over your nails. It's great if that sounds good to you. They also do press ons. They have quick dry polishes. Just go check out their site. Visit oliveandjune.com mascara for 20% off your first system that's Olive and June O L I V E a n d J-U-N-E.com mascara m a s c a r a oliveandjeune.com mascara for 20% off your first manicure system who doesn't like a little luxury? I like like luxury. But you know what? I don't like luxury prices. That's why Jess and I love quints. Quint is our go to for luxury essentials at affordable prices. They offer a range of high quality items at prices within reach like 100% Mongolian cashmere sweaters from $50 washable silk tops and dresses, organic sweaters, 14 karat gold jewelry. Best of all, everything is priced 50 to 80% less than similar brands because they partner directly with top factories. Quincy is able to cut out the cost of the middleman and pass the savings on to us and on to you.
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Jess
I am doing a whole spring refresh and that means new towels for my family. Towels can be very expensive, especially good ones. I'm getting a whole Turkish classic bath towel bundle for under $100. Actually top that under $80.
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Jen
I'm going to refresh for spring too. You know I'm into all of their linen dresses and linen pieces. Everything's super affordable. Plus Quint only works with factories, you safe, ethical and responsible manufacturing practices and premium fabrics and finishes. Give yourself the luxury you deserve with quince. Go to quince.com fatmascara for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. That's Quince Q-U-I-N-C-E.com fatmascara to get free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince.com fatmascara.
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Jen
Okay, it is time for the news. Take it away. Lead anchor Garrett Muntz.
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Garrett
Well, so last weekend was the annual meeting for the American Academy of Dermatology called aad. And if for those of you that don't know, this is like an annual, it's like basically a big conference slash trade show where derms, brands, all sorts of skincare related people will come together, go around this conference center, find new things that are happening, hear presentations. Doctors a lot will do presentations about their research, their new findings, brands will present new products.
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Jen
And you get to wear a lanyard.
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Garrett
Get to wear a lanyard, walk around the floor. I was really having flashbacks to my previous life as a fashion editor when I would go to the trade shows. And so it was really interesting for me. It was my first time at this conference and I thought it was really fascinating because unlike other trade shows that I've been to where it's just about presenting product because this was medical professional focused, all the products that they were kind of talking about and presenting, they had to talk about their research. And so a lot of them had clinical trials to kind of back up these products or presented research that kind of supported why they were launching this product, whatever. So I thought it was fascinating. And the other fascinating part to me, I'm going to circle back on the research part later, but is that a lot of the people there are dermatology residents. So these are like freshly out of medical school young doctors. Right.
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Jen
Who are, I've been watching the Pit, so I know a resident, but also I'm obsessed.
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Garrett
So it was really cool to see this group of people being a, they are feral for samples. Like, oh right, because they're not yet.
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Jen
At a private clinic that has La Roche Posay mini sunscreens on every desk corner.
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Garrett
And you and I tend to rub elbows with like a certain level of dermatologist who like is more well known maybe or is used to speaking to press or has been practicing for X amount of years. These are brand new doctors. So seeing what they get excited about was fascinating to me.
- [26:50]
Jen
Oh yeah.
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Garrett
And one of the things that I noticed, I was talking to my friend Eden, who was the other editor who was there with me from Birdie, and we were kind of eavesdropping on a lot of these. I don't wanna say kids. Cause these are doctors, but young doctors, we're eavesdropping a lot. And the brands that they were super excited about were brands like Bubble Hero.
- [27:14]
Jen
Okay. Both brands we know, but topicals. Okay.
- [27:18]
Garrett
You know, there were a lot of these kind of new, very Instagram friendly.
- [27:25]
Jen
So do you think they were leading with their doctor hat for that excitement or was that the Gen Z in them that was excited? Cause these are three brands. You just named that market very heavily towards younger customers.
- [27:36]
Garrett
We were debating this because I think part of it is the generational thing. Who are these brands targeting that demographic or even younger Bubble is skewed for teenagers. But I also think part of it could be what these brands are supposed to address, which is things like acne.
- [27:56]
Jen
The issues as doctors. They're going to be seeing a lot of medical issues.
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Garrett
Yeah. Because also it's like, think about it. If you're a doctor and your patients are coming in asking for help with acne or pigment issues or whatever, and they're on the young side, you kind of want to give them ones that they want to use. Right. Instead of just saying, like, go to Walgreens and buy XYZ like everyone else. If they're coming in and they already know, hey, I've heard about this brand Bubble. Would this be good for me?
- [28:25]
Jen
Yeah. If they're gonna do a benzoil wash anyway, it's like, why not give them one that has nice branding instead of the one from the pharmacy that came in a paper bag and like, doesn't have a great cosmetically elegant base.
- [28:36]
Garrett
Totally. And I think that we all know as beauty editors, one of the things that we hear dermatologists say all the time is the best product for you is the one that you're gonna use. Right. So if these patients are coming in and they are asking about specific brands, you wanna give them what they want. Right. Cause then they're gonna use.
- [28:53]
Jen
Right. Like what within that line would I recommend?
- [28:55]
Garrett
Yeah. So. And then the. But then the other thing too, we're like. Or does this mean that they just wanna be derm talkers?
- [29:05]
Jen
Oh, it's been written about and we've talked about on the podcast that there's a whole class of doctors that make their money not from working with patients, but from Spawn, TikTok and you know.
- [29:16]
Garrett
And like social media and brand deals, which is a valid thing. There were a lot of those people there.
- [29:21]
Jen
Dancing derms is what I used to call them. It's so pejorative. Sorry.
- [29:25]
Garrett
It was really funny for me to see the reels and stuff being posted after the fact. And I was like, when did they. I didn't see them wearing that outfit or I didn't see. You know, it's like there's a lot of that. But I also get it. I will also say that dermatologists can party their little butts off. I was. I could not keep up with these people at night. There were so many parties and seeing a lot of these Instagram famous dermatologists and the reactions of the other, especially the residents to them. It was like these people were celebrities. So I can see why.
- [29:56]
Jen
Who was like, was there a derm that you're thinking of that got stopped on the floor? Cause it's like, look, it's Dermagelo or whatever. Well, he's a little bit older.
- [30:03]
Garrett
I mean, Derma Angelo was there, saw him, saw dermacologist, saw Dr. Dustin O, like Port Leah. There were a lot. I mean, I didn't see them all personally, but I know that they were all there because I saw the reels later. I didn't really see any get stopped on the floor. It was more like at the parties, people were trying to come up and get selfies with them or whatever. I also will say that going to a dermatologist party with our friend Dr. Dendi is like being with the Queen of England.
- [30:29]
Jen
Oh.
- [30:29]
Garrett
People were like, oh my God, that's Dendi. And I was like, who her?
- [30:34]
Jen
Dendi's a queen.
- [30:35]
Garrett
Love her. Love her so much. Shout out, Dr. Dendi. But I also wanted to report on some other things, which. I mean, one of the biggest things that I noticed coming out was, everyone, there's a lot of innovation with sun care, which is really cool. But I wanted to present this because I wanted to hear what our listeners think about this. Maybe there's some calls we could get later. So I was in a presentation from L'Oreal and they had done some consumer research on attitudes towards sunscreen and education around sunscreen. And one of the things that I found fascinating was that 50% of non white Hispanic people are not aware of the difference between mineral and chemical sunscreen.
- [31:23]
Jen
It's so funny. Cause you and I Live and breathe this stuff. And do you know what's even crazier? Do you know chemical sunscreen in medical terms is called organic sunscreen?
- [31:31]
Garrett
Organic chemical sunscreen.
- [31:33]
Jen
Whereas the mineral is the inorganic sunscreen.
- [31:37]
Garrett
Yes.
- [31:38]
Jen
Which throws people off. That just means does it have carbon molecule or not? But like, it's very confusing.
- [31:42]
Garrett
It took me a while to round my head.
- [31:44]
Jen
Oh, I used to think organic meant mineral, but it's the opposite of what you would think it is because they're going literally by what the molecule of the thing looks like.
- [31:50]
Garrett
Totally.
- [31:51]
Jen
And I never took organic chemistry. Clearly.
- [31:54]
Garrett
On the flip side of this, 71% of people of color do not know the difference between chemical and mineral sunscreen.
- [32:02]
Jen
Okay, wow. Okay.
- [32:04]
Garrett
And then the other thing.
- [32:05]
Jen
Wait, do you need to know the difference though, if you're being protected?
- [32:09]
Garrett
One of the things, too. They asked what the factors influencing patient selection of.
- [32:15]
Jen
Yeah, tell me, what are they?
- [32:17]
Garrett
Number one, by far, 75.2% is the SPF factor.
- [32:22]
Jen
Okay, that makes sense.
- [32:24]
Garrett
Number two, 31% is either that application.
- [32:29]
Jen
I think it's flipped for me. I'm gonna go ease and cosmetic application over SPF.
- [32:34]
Garrett
But no, for me. Absolutely.
- [32:36]
Jen
Yeah.
- [32:36]
Garrett
29.8% dermatologist recommendations.
- [32:40]
Jen
That still counts for something, huh?
- [32:42]
Garrett
Yeah. And then down at the bottom is things like broad spectrum mineral formulas, only 8.3%.
- [32:51]
Jen
Yeah. But honestly, right now in America, in order to get an SPF designation, you have to be broad spectrum. That changed the recent update to the guidelines. So broad spectrum, meaning it protects uva, which causes DNA damage, and uvb, which causes burning and also some aging.
- [33:10]
Garrett
And then the last, the last portion that I wanted to highlight from this survey, which I thought was fascinating, how do you feel about the availability of sunscreen options on the current market? White people, non Hispanic white people, 51% are strongly satisfied.
- [33:27]
Jen
But that's not a lot. Still.
- [33:29]
Garrett
No, but, but listen to this. People of color, 11% strongly satisfied.
- [33:35]
Jen
You know what, we search them out and we get sent them and they're usually the more expensive ones. But the good sunscreens for skin of color are not in Walgreens. They're not in Walmart. They're not like readily available. They're like in Credo and Sephora and they're often in the facial sunscreens. Actually, now that I'm thinking about it, when's the last time other than the clear continuous sprays, you could get a big tube of a non white cast? I feel like I'm always with the body sunscreens. I'm just like not as happy ever.
- [34:05]
Garrett
I agree with you. And I think that there's, you know, one of the reasons that they presented this survey was that a lot of these companies are working really hard to figure out tint options. Like whether it's a wider range of colors in tint or better ways to have it tint that will work across.
- [34:26]
Jen
Sculptures to that point. Beauty of Joseon. Everybody's favorite sunscreen, the South Korean version, obviously cannot be sold legally in the United States, even though you can buy it online. And so they reformulated for the United States and their big push is this line of daily tinted fluid sunscreens.
- [34:44]
Garrett
Oh.
- [34:45]
Jen
So because I think part of the reason is when you have to use only the US Approved sunscreens, they tend not to be as sheer. So in order for it to look sheer, like you said, you need a tint in it. And they did a nice American worthy range of shades. Because I feel like some countries, they're just like, okay, if you look at our country's population, it's just not as diverse. But when you come in, you're selling in the United States, you need a range. And I've been playing around with this one so far, and I like it. The daily tinted fluid sunscreen. But to what I said, it's still just facial. Look how little. It's one of those little shaky shakies, right? And it's like, what is that?
- [35:19]
Garrett
Well, it's also. It's hard to do a tinted body sunscreen. Cause then you're getting into like body.
- [35:24]
Jen
Makeup and like, is it gonna smear on stuff?
- [35:27]
Garrett
Yeah, like maybe you want to wear it on the beach. But like even last year I was playing around that. Remember that brand vacation came out with that kind of shimmer?
- [35:37]
Jen
Gold shimmer, yeah.
- [35:39]
Garrett
So I was playing with it last summer. Cause I was like, this is gonna make me look jacked. Like, this is gonna be great. You're gonna see all my veins. And I put it on and I laid down and when I got up, my towel had like a gold outline of my body in the middle of it.
- [35:54]
Jen
And I was like, it was like bodybuilding style. Like, it was like body makeup, but they wear it on stage and stage lights to look good. That's not hot. You get up from your towel at the lawn chair and this is embarrassing.
- [36:06]
Garrett
I don't think that I could. I was like, I need to go shower this off. And then reapply a different. I mean, I get the idea of it, but I was like, this is not the look for wait.
- [36:13]
Jen
I just thought of something. You have a lot of tattoos on your body. Some of yours is color too. Do when you wear a tinted or a shimmery, does it affect the way your tattoo looks?
- [36:22]
Garrett
Not usually. Unless there's like a really. Unless it's thick, but it's like, I'm not wearing, like, a body makeup. But I do prefer more hydrating versions that will make my tattoos look better. Like an oil.
- [36:35]
Jen
So much better. When I worked at the tattoo magazine, like, everybody gets super oiled up for every photo shoot because the color pops. Like, even mine when they're just looking, I'm like, oh, that one looks looking kind of old. And mine's all black ink. Just a good lotion and a little. And you're like, it's popping.
- [36:51]
Garrett
Now we can go into a whole other tattoo care segment. Cause that's a big deal right now too.
- [36:57]
Jen
There's a lot of stuff coming out with. That's going to be next month's. Cause we still want the AAD reporting. Was there anything else you can bring back to us?
- [37:03]
Garrett
Yeah, well, speaking of the tinted thing, so I thought this was really fascinating. So there were some studies that came out from. The ones that I saw were from L'Oreal, but there's more. There's a few different ones that have done this. And it found that. So visible light, which is part of the light spectrum, you know, it goes like uva, uvb, visible light, infrared. Visible light is not necessarily damaging in terms of, like, sun damage, but it can be really responsible for hyperpigmentation in people of color.
- [37:35]
Jen
Yes. Cause blue light is visible light. And I mean, the sunlight has some visible light in it too.
- [37:43]
Garrett
So they found that the best way to protect against visible light damage, particularly with, you know, people of color, is to use iron oxide.
- [37:51]
Jen
I just talked to a derm about this.
- [37:53]
Garrett
Really?
- [37:54]
Jen
That's so funny. Keep going.
- [37:56]
Garrett
So I know with, like, La Roche Posay, for instance, they have a new range in their Anthelios line where they've added more colors to the tints, and those colors are based in iron oxide. So they've kind of done a double mineral.
- [38:09]
Jen
By the way, guys, a mineral that's usually used to make a colored makeup, like the beige or the red in the makeup. It's not titanium or zinc oxide. So it doesn't in itself have UV protection.
- [38:19]
Garrett
Correct. It's not a UV filter. It's. Or UV screen that it would be added to an existing, like a zinc or a titanium formula. Because that's not something that People I think talk about very often. I didn't know anything about visible light damage until I went and I thought it was really cool that in addition to trying to expand their color ranges, a lot of these brands are also including iron oxide because of this new kind of data that RP1.
- [38:48]
Jen
Oh. Because then it's gonna automatically also protect from. Yeah.
- [38:53]
Garrett
I had a meeting with this dermatologist, you might know her, Dr. Heather Woolery Lloyd. Do you know her?
- [38:58]
Jen
Oh, love, love, love, love.
- [39:00]
Garrett
She's amazing. So cool. But she told me about this study which I have to look up cause I wanna look more into it. But it's a recent ish study that found that pigment issues like hyperpigmentation, age spots, sunspots actually give you a higher.
- [39:16]
Jen
Perceived age than wrinkles, regardless of what ethnicity you are.
- [39:22]
Garrett
Yes.
- [39:22]
Jen
Just like being spotty.
- [39:24]
Garrett
So if you have more spots, people perceive you as older than if you have wrinkles. Isn't that wild? I need to look more into this, she and I, because there's a lot happening as well with like products and ingredients that target pigment issues. So we were talking about that in that context. I thought it was really interesting. I need to ask her also.
- [39:45]
Jen
You know what, here's a story idea for you. It affects, affects men more because think about it, women like me should. We have those issues, we can always throw a foundation on. I mean you can too. But most men, because of facial hair or whatever reasons like they don't want to put on a full face, a foundation, no offense, you guys tend to be oilier, feels heavier sometimes. And so like we at least have that recourse if we do have pigmentation issues that we can wear foundation or concealer. We've learned how to apply it culturally. It's more common to see women using those products. But like, like you're gonna wanna have more skin care solutions if you're a guy, I would assume. Am I right?
- [40:20]
Garrett
For sure. No. And she was saying that too that in her practice she sees a lot of people of color. In her practice she was saying that overwhelmingly the thing that the men, everyone, but especially the men complain about is pigment issues. Because also think about we're shaving. So if you get ingrowns, especially with, if you have darker skin, ingrowns all over your neck and chin, like that leaves pigment. So people are very concerned about that. And what's really cool is that there are more and more products coming out, multi use products that target this, et cetera. I also, there's one more thing that I want to end on with my aad. More sunscreen issues, though. So there was one study that I was shown by this. That was done by this, called kenview. And then there is another study that I saw that was similar. Not the exact same, but both of these studies found that hybrid sunscreens, meaning sunscreens that have both chemical and mineral sunscreens, are less effective than single.
- [41:28]
Jen
What? I use a lot of the ones that are both titanium dioxide and like or whatever.
- [41:34]
Garrett
So I've. One of them spoke about visible light specifically, but then the other one was just in a general uv.
- [41:43]
Jen
Guys, my jaw is open. Am I not, like, jaw dropped, Garrett? Yeah, you are. It's hard to stump me in sunscreen, and I am. I gotta look into this.
- [41:52]
Garrett
It's something. Because it's something that I've always assumed it's two is better than one.
- [41:58]
Jen
Well, also, each protects against a specific wavelength of like, 1,000 to 1,200. So you want multiple ones, so you get that broadest range of protection. Yeah, but maybe.
- [42:08]
Garrett
I asked the company for that one study, and I haven't received it yet. So once I get it, I'll send it to you and we can talk. But I am curious whether they were looking at the entire UV spectrum or if it was just like, UVB or uva. I mean, UVA is like. We rarely get a lot of that.
- [42:29]
Jen
All right, we have to dig into this a bit.
- [42:30]
Garrett
Yeah, I want to dig into that. But that I thought was really interesting, because also, I don't want to give.
- [42:34]
Jen
Anybody fodder not to wear sunscreen or pick a sunscreen, because now this is another thing they have to look for and turn over the thing. And as you were saying, which. You started this whole thing, which is, like, if you don't even know mineral versus chemicals, most average Americans don't. Like, this is so deep in the weeds. But our fat mascara listeners love skincare. So I feel like, well, listen, you.
- [42:54]
Garrett
Know, I think that, yes, you're right to, like, you know, bring. Bring that up. The bottom line is that any sunscreen is better than no sunscreen. So no matter what you're using, I mean, I'm not saying that the difference is negligible, but if you look at, you know, they always do in all. In all these studies, they do control groups where they don't have any sunscreen on and the damage is, like, 98%. Right. So, like, you can't argue with the fact that any sunscreen is better than no sunscreen, regardless of whether you're, like, Oh, I heard.
- [43:28]
Jen
And we had to send Garrett guys to Florida to come back with that deep, deep cut. Any sunscreen's better than no sunscreen.
- [43:37]
Garrett
I mean, listen. And that is true, because one of the things as well, that from that consumer study that I previously mentioned, 62% of US consumers use skincare, 11% use sunscreen.
- [43:53]
Jen
I say this all the time. I'm like, there's no point buying a serum, a moisturizer, any of it, if you're not wearing sunscreen. It literally. Yeah. And sunscreen's usually cheaper.
- [44:02]
Garrett
Totally. You do not have to pay a lot for a good sunscreen. So that's my little overview.
- [44:10]
Jen
Okay. Before we go to Raisa, Juan, I had one thing I wanted to talk about. But I'll keep it brief. But it is. I was like, I wanna talk about this with Garrett. Cause I thought you'd think it was interesting. Cause I know you love plastic surgery. I'm not sure if you guys saw this. Last week, Meghan Trainor posted so the singer. I don't know about that, but everybody knows who Meghan Trainor is now. Thank you for my singing. Told you I was loopy. Today she posted sponsored content on her Instagram for a breast implant brand. So her post read, big news. It's official. I got a breast lift and augmentation with Motiva implants. And so this is a company with a new line of products that they're promoting. Obviously, she got paid for it. This is an ad. She's going to be sharing more about her journey in the next couple of weeks. I was like, oh, it's a journey. Your journey. But it is. Because she said, kids. She said she wasn't happy with the way she looked. I have no problem whatsoever with people getting plastic surgery. I don't think I've ever seen such obvious sponsored content for medical devices. Like the thing that goes in your body. We're not talking about, like, a product or a particular doctor or a clinic. It's the literal implant itself.
- [45:23]
Garrett
Yeah, I mean, I'm conflicted on this. I have to be honest.
- [45:27]
Jen
It's also like, wait, that would be the same as doing sponcon for, like.
- [45:31]
Garrett
Like a pacemaker.
- [45:33]
Jen
A pacemaker. Are we allowed to do that? I'm just. It's crazy. What's your conflict?
- [45:39]
Garrett
Okay, so my conflict is I will always support transparency around plastic surgery, aesthetic procedures.
- [45:48]
Jen
You think? Says Garrett, who comes on every week's like, guess what procedure?
- [45:51]
Garrett
Guess what I did last week. Guess how my body has changed since we last talked. No, But I will always support that because I think it's important, I do think, especially from a celebrity, to have someone be so open and willing to post and willing to publicly talk about this. And it's a different level than just like Joe Jonas being on Dysport or Botox. You know, like, there's all these people that are like, have worked with Botox in the past. Whatever. That's great too. But I think what's interesting is this is like a medical. And I do think, I guess technically.
- [46:25]
Jen
A filler if it goes in your face is like, it's in there and Botox is in there. It just. It felt different.
- [46:33]
Garrett
It feels different because it's something that we don't usually think of as being branded. Like, it's not like, necessarily a consumer product.
- [46:42]
Jen
Yeah. Well, okay, so this was my thing about it. I have multiple surgical implements in my body. I have pins in both of my feet. I have screws in my knee. I have like a fake tendon in one of my knees is. I have no idea what brand they are.
- [46:57]
Garrett
Right. Yeah.
- [46:58]
Jen
Like, my dad might know his, like, pacemaker brand, but that's cause you have to get them serviced and stuff. But it's the fact that we're marketing, they're doing advertising where not only are you meant to go into your doctor's office for a procedure, but you're meant to ask specifically for this brand of implant. Because, you know, she didn't talk about how great it is. And I was like, do people actually shop that way when they're getting plastic surgery? I feel like you shop by provider.
- [47:27]
Garrett
Yeah.
- [47:28]
Jen
And your particular needs, and then whatever the provider says suits you best. Like, I'm not gonna go in asking for a brand name. Like, when I get my hair colored, I don't go, is this a wellow salon or vaida salon? Like, I guess do some people.
- [47:42]
Garrett
I don't know, I think it depends on the procedure. I think that something like emsculpt or Morpheus Aid. Oh.
- [47:50]
Jen
Or like Frac. Okay. Those are devices.
- [47:51]
Garrett
Fractal. Yeah, exactly. They're devices. Right. So if you're like, oh, I've heard really good things about emsculpt, I want to try it. You're going to go on the website.
- [48:01]
Jen
And look up who does emsculpting or Morpheus or something. Okay. Again, but it's a device. It's not.
- [48:07]
Garrett
Yes, it's like a treatment, a device. I think that if you're getting a. A breast augmentation or anything surgical, I mean, I would not Know enough to walk into a doctor in a consult and be like, yes, but what brand is the implant?
- [48:26]
Jen
Okay. I can think of one thing though. So one of my friends who has breast augmentation, I remember she specifically, because of whatever branding or marketing was done, I don't know why, wanted the Gummy Bear implant. I don't know if that means anything to you, but if anybody knows about plastic surgery, there were three makers, I think Allergan is one of them, of a particular type of closed gel implant that it has a feel that is less watery and more. Gummy Bear is. Yeah, it's like. It's like Gummy Bear. And it was very. I don't. It's still popular, but it's like people wanted that because it was thought to be like, that's gonna be more natural feel. So I don't know why I'm saying this now because, like, yeah, people were asking for that, but it wasn't by brand name. It was like by touch.
- [49:09]
Garrett
Right.
- [49:09]
Jen
It's like a sneaker. I want the motiva. Like, what?
- [49:14]
Garrett
I just. I. I feel like I would trust my provider to recommend the right thing for me. Right.
- [49:20]
Jen
Yeah. That's. My takeaway is just. And she does say that on the sponsored content and good for her. Get your money, Megan Trainer. But like. And get your surgery that you wanted. But I question how far this will go if we have sponsored content. Like, are we gonna next have. I don't know. I just feel like we're entering a new phase of futuristic augmentation of our bodies and bio optimizing that like, involves brand names and I don't know why I'm saying this with surprise in my voice. Of course that's where this is going.
- [49:47]
Garrett
But yeah, of course I'm all for it. Make me RoboCop. That's all I care about. But I would. I do think that, like, most people.
- [49:56]
Jen
Ooh, I just heard the North Carolina for the first time. You just sounded like. From whitelos. Most people.
- [50:02]
Garrett
Most people. I don't know. I feel like people want certain results and they're gonna go off of what they're gonna go for, what gives them those results. Right.
- [50:14]
Jen
Yeah.
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Garrett
And as long as they have a provider that they trust, and you always should have a provider that you trust, they can recommend the right thing for you. I think it's interesting. I also wanna know the logistics of this partnership personally, from a nerdy standpoint, because I've worked with medical companies before from an editorial standpoint where there are specific rules with what you can and can't say, right?
- [50:36]
Jen
Oh, of course.
- [50:37]
Garrett
And so I wanna know what her disclosures are like. I wanna know, is it like promoting an ad?
- [50:42]
Jen
Well, Garrett, you can visit motivausa.com megan with an H. I will be doing that immediately afterward.
- [50:51]
Garrett
Cause I also wanna know, is it more akin to being the spokesperson for a drug or is it more like a aesthetic?
- [51:00]
Jen
Of course, there's like Lady Gaga, migraines and. Right, you're right. You're right. I don't know. It just felt different. Especially because it wasn't like a fancy TV ad. It was just like in my mobile phone kind of spot. Feels.
- [51:12]
Garrett
But I mean, good for her. Get the boots done.
- [51:16]
Jen
As Jess likes to say, watch the space. I do not think this will be the last time we see a celebrity with a sponsored surgical implement or medical device to promote. So. Yeah. All right, let's go raise some water, shall we?
- [51:29]
Garrett
We shall.
- [51:40]
Jen
We go through a lot of sunscreen here in the fat mascara families, don't we, Jess?
- [51:44]
Jess
We go through a ton.
- [51:46]
Jen
One of our favorites is, of course, Blue Lizard. Pediatrician, trusted dermatologist tested. Also they have these little smart caps that turn blue in UV light. How good is that? Then you know, the sun is out. It is time to get protected. Plus, they have a whole sensitive family of products that's personally my favorite. Helps keep my sensitive skin safe from the sun's harmful rays. All the formulas are free from potentially irritating parabens, phthalates, fragrances. I just love them. Which one do you use?
- [52:12]
Jess
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Jen
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Jess
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Jen
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Jess
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Jen
Okay, it is time to raise a wand. I have to say, I wasn't sure where to put this in the show, but Garrett and I got a text. 646-4818182. Remember MJ? MJ who told us if we can't be good, be careful and gave us and had questions. Guys, her name is actually Maya. That's the M. And she sent us a picture.
- [54:55]
Garrett
She's gorgeous.
- [54:56]
Jen
She's gorgeous. Very cool glasses, chicest of the chic. She texted us her photo and she said, this is Maya, AKA MJ from upstate New York. You guys rock. I just love her so much. And I, like, texted it immediately to Garrett. Hi, mj. Anyway, she's like, I feel like she's our patron saint of raison.
- [55:14]
Garrett
Yeah, totally. I also use her catchphrase whenever I leave the house, I tell my dogs, be good. If you can't be good, be careful.
- [55:23]
Jen
Very good. That's right. Yeah, she's the best. Okay, we're gonna get into our Raise a wand from a listener. Our homework has changed. Our new homework, which we'll get to. Jess and I were asking people about what their neighborhood would smell like after we had. I don't know if it came across as a giggle. I think we were both, like, not saying the full truth of why we thought Greenpoint bond number nine was so hilarious. I think we alluded to, like, this is just a neighborhood where we both spent a lot of time in our 20s that just, you would never think would have a fancy perfume. But the new homework is, which I'm going to ask you in a second, that we want to know where you're from and what fragrance you would make to represent where you're from. However, because of our recording dates, all of the voicemails are still about liquid eyeliners. This is the last one, and I guarantee you, Garrett and fam, I think this person gets, like, the last word on the liquid eyeliners. Let's listen to Megan.
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F
Hey, Jess and Jen. This is Megan calling from Orange County, California. I've been listening to POD for many years now, and I keep hearing the request for a great liquid eyeliner and also a chocolate liquid eyeliner. So I decided I would finally call in and give you a raise. The wand to the Too Faced Better than Sex. Easy Glide waterproof liquid eyeliner. I've been using this for a few years now, and I actually gave birth to this naturally. And my doctor at the end was so impressed that my eyeliner didn't even smudge. They have it in black, and they also make it in a beautiful chocolate brown, which would satisfy the need for both a liquid eyeliner and a chocolate liquid eyeliner. So please go check it out again. It's Too Faced Better than Sex. Easy Glide waterproof liquid eyeliner. Thank you. Love the pod. Keep up the great work.
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Jen
Okay, I don't know if you caught that, because she sort of, like, skimmed over what, for me was the main point, which is she wore this liquid eyeliner while giving birth.
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Garrett
I mean, that is like the test of all tests.
- [57:31]
Jen
And the doctor was like, oh, it still looks great. Like, you know, that famous urban decay. Like, they were in an ambulance. And it was like a viral meme. Oh. But it stuck on through the. This woman gave birth. I can't think of a more sweaty, messy, rubbing thing.
- [57:46]
Garrett
Tearful.
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Jen
Like, this is the test of all tests. Yeah, yeah. Tears. I mean, of joy, of pain, of also good for love. Our listeners, that she put on a Luke. She put on a look for the doctor.
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Garrett
Yeah. She's like, I'm sorry, Let me just take a break. To put on my face. I mean, I would do the same thing.
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Jen
Wait. Funny. Actually, now that I'm thinking about this, the eyeliner was too faced. Better than sex. And it's like, where do babies come from? There's a Whole connection in there. I love it. Thank you to Megan and everybody else who responded. We got a bunch for kvd, liquid eyeliner, by the way. A bunch of people texted me about that one in Mad Max Brown. But, like, honestly, that's. I think Megan nailed it. That's great. Our new homework that we're gonna be asking people about, like I just said, was what your town smells like. But I was thinking, Garrett, had you heard us talk about this, and you've seen Bond number nine, Greenpoint. I'm assuming you saw the news on that.
- [58:42]
Garrett
I listened to the episode. I also got the press release. I also have. I lived at Greenpoint when I was younger.
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Jen
So what's your thoughts?
- [58:49]
Garrett
I had the same reaction that you guys had. I was like, oh, my God, of all the neighborhoods. Because Greenpoint, I mean, I haven't been up there since I moved away. I moved to South Brooklyn probably about 10 years ago, but I lived in Greenpoint for five years.
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Jen
Okay.
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Garrett
And it is a really special neighborhood. I really do love it. It's very much where you live in your 20s.
- [59:14]
Jen
Yeah.
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Garrett
If that makes sense. That's where girls took place.
- [59:19]
Jen
Oh, did they live at Greenpoint?
- [59:20]
Garrett
Yes. I mean, at least I live at Greenland.
- [59:22]
Jen
Williamsburg. Huh? Oh, of course. They couldn't afford Williamsburg in the era that they were. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause they're younger than me. They're, like, more than a decade younger. So when I came to New York, poor people. Not poor people. I should say poor people, but young, not yet upwardly mobile imports to New York City were living in Williamsburg. And the like.
- [59:43]
Garrett
I mean, it. It's a rough around the edges area. Let's put it that way. It's really fun.
- [59:50]
Jen
So what do you think it should smell like?
- [59:52]
Garrett
There's gotta be a pierogi in there somewhere. Like a little yeasty, oniony pierogi undertone, pierogi scent.
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Jen
Okay.
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Garrett
I mean, it's by the water. I feel like the aquatic element. I haven't smelled the fragrance, but I remember the notes a little bit. And I remember there being a marine aquatic element. And I do think that's true because it's on the water.
- [60:12]
Jen
So where. What is your neighborhood now? What would you call it?
- [60:15]
Garrett
I'm in Boreham Hill.
- [60:17]
Jen
Okay. So what would Boreham Hill smell like?
- [60:19]
Garrett
Well, I haven't really thought about that. I have thought about where my hometown would smell. Well, my hometown.
- [60:26]
Jen
Oh, perfect.
- [60:27]
Garrett
Charlotte.
- [60:27]
Jen
Tell us North Carolina. Tell us what Charlotte, North Carolina would smell like.
- [60:30]
Garrett
I need to circle back on the born hill. I need to think about that a little bit more. So Charlotte, I think for me would be magnolia. I know azaleas don't have a really a lot of fragrance, but I do think it would be a magnolia azalea moment with maybe some fresh cut grass in there.
- [60:47]
Jen
Oh, yes.
- [60:48]
Garrett
But I also.
- [60:49]
Jen
Green floral.
- [60:50]
Garrett
Green floral. A nice springy green floral. It's a city that has a lot of green, at least my neighborhood I lived in South Charlotte, kind of Myers park area, if anyone knows. Lots of lawns, lots of big trees, lots of churches. So I feel like there has to be some sort of like incense.
- [61:10]
Jen
Oh, so you've. You're toffin is the green fresh heart is the magnolian floral. And then look at you. You have a pyramid built. The base is a little churchy.
- [61:20]
Garrett
I feel like I need like a woody, a woody churchy base. Like a sandalwood with maybe like some sort of like benzoin or some resin.
- [61:28]
Jen
Or something in it.
- [61:29]
Garrett
I also want to be.
- [61:30]
Jen
This is shaping up to be a very wearable, beautiful perfume.
- [61:34]
Garrett
Yeah. I mean, if anyone wants to start a North Carolina based fragrance company, let me know. Actually, I do have a friend. Ask a fragrance company in North Carolina. So we're gonna be talking later. Shout out Fulton and Roark if anyone knows it. I also think that it has to be like a dash of vinegar in there because of the Carolina barbecue sauce.
- [61:53]
Jen
Oh, all right. A little bit of astringency in the spinach in some way.
- [61:57]
Garrett
Like an aesthetic zing.
- [61:58]
Jen
Yeah, like a red wine vinegar almost. So that it has like. Well, of course it's just straight up vinegar, but. Okay. I love this.
- [62:05]
Garrett
If anyone wants to offline talk to me about the particulars of Carolina barbecue sauce, regional differences I would be happy to debate. It's a hot topic.
- [62:14]
Jen
Text us. 646-4818182. It's not on Garrett's phone yet. We could make that happen. We won't pick up. Neither of us. We sometimes do text back. I do text back to people. So tell us what neighborhood or town or city you're from and what it would smell like. I cannot wait to hear. I'll share my hometown next week. I'm still working on it, but let's do our personal raisa once, shall we? Garrett, you go first.
- [62:38]
Garrett
Okay. Well, this is gonna surprise no one because I'm on such a sunscreen kick after aad. But I have been wearing and loving the La Roche posay ant Helios UV toned, which is a new formula.
- [62:56]
Jen
Another this is the word tone. The same as the biore you brought me as a gift?
- [62:59]
Garrett
No, it's different.
- [63:00]
Jen
Oh, okay. But same word, right?
- [63:02]
Garrett
Yes. Similar. I would say similar idea, different formula. Because this is an SPF 50. It is a chemical sunscreen. So it's really, really lightweight. It has a little bit of a dewyness to it that I usually don't like. But it's so lightweight, and I feel like it looks more natural than. It's not like a dewy finish. It's just like a little bit of a shine.
- [63:25]
Jen
Okay.
- [63:25]
Garrett
But it has niacinamide in it, so it's. The reason it's called tone is that the niacinamide is supposed to help you with, like, pigmentation issues. Uneven skin tone.
- [63:37]
Jen
The tone is for evening one's tone.
- [63:39]
Garrett
Yes. My skin loves niacinamide. Cause I also tend towards red. So niacinamide really helps me kind of even out.
- [63:48]
Jen
Tone down the red.
- [63:51]
Garrett
Yes.
- [63:52]
Jen
I love the word tone with no context. It can be anything. It could be muscles getting tighter. It could be. I don't know. But it implies something's happening.
- [63:59]
Garrett
A tone. Like an audio tone.
- [64:01]
Jen
An audio tone? No, this is tone as in evening your skin tone by decreasing pigmentation with added niacin. Yes.
- [64:09]
Garrett
And I'm really into this particularly. But I love this kind of advent of multifunctional sunscreens that are also. This one is, frankly very hydrating. And so I've been using it as. It's getting warmer here.
- [64:22]
Jen
As your moisturizer.
- [64:22]
Garrett
As also. My moisturizer? Yeah.
- [64:24]
Jen
It's funny. Julie and I were talking about the makeup skincare hybrids, and we landed kind of on. We definitely like this idea when it's a full face product that has spf, if you call it a hybrid or whatever. That makes sense to us. The other one, of course that makes sense is I didn't even think of this. Your sunscreen acts as your moisturizer. Because some of them are not moisturizing, like, unseen. Some other ones that are like that clear gel, like, texture just does not have enough moisture for some people. So this is like, like everything in one.
- [64:53]
Garrett
I also find that your moisturizer with SPF usually doesn't have enough SPF in it. Cause they wanna make it more feel like a moisturizer. But I love, like, a moisturizing sunscreen.
- [65:04]
Jen
Right. And you know it's gonna rub in. Whereas if you put on as much Sunscreen with an SPF 30 moisturizer, you'd be, like, gooped up.
- [65:12]
Garrett
Yeah, totally. I also. Anything that's gonna save me time. I am on board for, I mean, not like it has to be good, it has to work too.
- [65:20]
Jess
But I do think that, like it's not a show.
- [65:21]
Jen
Nope, we ain't got time for that.
- [65:23]
Garrett
No one has time for this. And so it's a really good one. It's around $40, which I know is expensive for a drugstore sunscreen, but I do think La Roche Posay is on the pricier side of drugstore.
- [65:36]
Jen
But to our point before, if you're buying anti aging skincare but not buying sunscreen, what are you doing? This could be both A skin tone evening AKA anti aging product with moisture with spf. It's got everything in one. There you go.
- [65:48]
Garrett
Yes. And they also. I haven't tried it yet, but I.
- [65:51]
Jen
Could justify any purchase. I'm like, oh, sold.
- [65:54]
Garrett
They have a version called UV Clear also that has. I forget what acid it's. But it's for like acne prone skin. So they're really going to.
- [66:02]
Jen
So it's your skincare and your sunscreen.
- [66:04]
Garrett
Your skincare sunscreen serum all in one. So I love it.
- [66:07]
Jen
Raise a wand.
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Garrett
It's one of my favorite new sunscreens. Raison.
- [66:12]
Jen
Well, I am raising wand to a completely nothing like that product. I'm going to raise a wand to the make up forever artist pencils. So I've seen these in people's kits a lot. I started using maybe a year and a half ago. They're for eyes, lips, wherever. So they're that kind of pencil that you could put on whatever. And I was like, this is really good. But I was like, am I being crazy? Is this. It's just a pencil. It's a wooden based pencil. It's hard. I'm like, why am I loving this so much? And then I saw. I subscribed to the newsletter. All of my opinions are not your own. So that's Annie Kriebom. Sorry, Annie. I always forget how to say your last name. I spelled it wrong when we did an episode with her and then I had to fix it. I'm such an ass. But she's one half of Eyewitness Beauty with Nick Axelrod. So we did a collaboration episode with them and after that I subscribed to her newsletter and she just put out a newsletter which links to a Google Doc of her holy grail products. Now sometimes when people do this, I'm just like, fine, whatever. Annie's a product developer. She freaking worked on cloud paint for Glossier Boy Brow. She knows products. A woman I Used to work with on a product development project. Works with her. Like, she knows her stuff. So I was like, let me see what's on this makeup list. And I was perusing through, got a couple newbies that I hadn't seen. And I'm like, all right, I'm gonna pick these up. And then I saw the makeup forever artist pencil, and I was like. I don't know why I needed her. Is the word justification, or, like, her co sign. Yeah. But I felt like it was a nothing burger of a product. And then I was like, if Annie likes it, it's gotta be good. So her color. Wait, where is her color? I wrote it down. Oh, endless cacao. And she was saying she uses it to sort of sketch, and I was like, that's it. She's so good with words. When you're doing it as a lip liner, it's very sketchy. Cause it's a hard. It's not one of those creamy, glidey kind of pencils. It feels more like an artist's colored pencil. So you can really be precise and shadow. You could even, like, if you like overlining, you could overline, but then do a thinner line where you don't want to, like, create that shadow. Sometimes when people over line with it, the creamy greasier pencil, it looks much faker to me. Whereas with the sketchy, the point gets really sharp so that, like, you can use it on its side. I don't know. I've taken art classes. I like drawing and stuff. So, like, wait, that's not. I didn't sharpen that one. I just like that it acts like an artist's pencil, hence the name.
- [68:34]
Garrett
Wait, is it thick?
- [68:36]
Jen
No, it's thin. It looks almost like a number two pencil ticonderoga that you took the SATs with.
- [68:40]
Garrett
Right, right. Okay. Okay.
- [68:42]
Jen
Do they still take them with pencil?
- [68:44]
Garrett
I think it's probably all digital now.
- [68:45]
Jen
Oh, my God.
- [68:46]
Garrett
It's old.
- [68:47]
Jen
Anyway, the color that I fell in love with is called boundless Berry. Side note, the boundless berry and the red you're not supposed to use on your eyes, because they do have those red pigments that I guess for some people can be irritating. But I've been using it on my lips, and it's divine. And it has staying powered. They have a waterproof version of this, which is a little bit greasier and creamier. And I think this one stays just as well and, in fact, maybe better because it has, like, a dry texture to it. So it grabs any lipstick that you put on top. It really doesn't bleed into the area around your mouth. Am I going on too much?
- [69:20]
Garrett
No. It sounds really fascinating.
- [69:22]
Jen
I know. I get very into the texture of pencils. There's so many, but very few are like that old school, wet and wild dry kind of texture, which, if you're good with makeup, is actually better. If you're new to lip pencil, maybe it's a little harder. Cause you need to know how to adjust your pressure to get the right cut. Does that make sense?
- [69:43]
Garrett
No. Totally.
- [69:43]
Jen
For sure. I'm like six, so I'm like. As I'm talking, I'm like, are my words coming out? Am I?
- [69:49]
Garrett
No. It makes a lot of sense.
- [69:50]
Jen
I love this pencil. Raise a wand.
- [69:52]
Garrett
You're sketching a picture for me.
- [69:54]
Jen
Stop. I love a play on words. I love you. I love that you brought me gifts. Thank you so much.
- [70:01]
Garrett
I couldn't not bring you something from Thailand. Come on. I love this, especially when it's your favorite.
- [70:06]
Jen
I know. I'm really excited. All right, everybody else, go get your beauty sleep.
- [70:10]
Garrett
Get your beauty sleep.
- [70:12]
Jen
If you can't be good, be careful.
- [70:15]
Garrett
We have so many catchphrases now.
- [70:17]
Jen
I know. And we'll see you on Friday.
- [70:20]
Garrett
Bye.
- [70:22]
Jess
We hope you enjoyed the show.
- [70:24]
Jen
It's your reviews and feedback that help us make the podcast even better. Head over to itunes to rate and review us or email your thoughts to infoatmascara.com we also want to answer your.
- [70:34]
Jess
Beauty questions and hear what products you love. To share a raise, a one product review, or to ask a beauty question. Email us at infoatmascara.
- [70:42]
Jen
If you send it as a voice memo file, we can even share your voice on the podcast. You can also do that by leaving us a voice message. Our phone number in the United States is 646-481-8182.
- [70:54]
Jess
Thanks so much for listening.
- [71:00]
Jen
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