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Garrett Muntz
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Jess
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Jen
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Jess
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Jen
Hello everyone. Welcome to Fat Mascara. I'm Jen.
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Garrett Muntz
I'm Garrett Muntz.
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Jen
He's Garrett Muntz. Hi, bud. We are in the studio. How you been? The audience has missed you. I've been getting DMs and, like, Spotify comments, like, love, Garrett. Where's Garrett?
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Garrett Muntz
Oh, feeling the love. I love everyone. I love our listeners so much.
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Jen
Yeah, I jokes around. I think I put this on our Instagram, and I was like, we need a new segment. Where in the world is Garrett Muntz? Please say that to yourself to the tune of Carmen Sandiego, if that means anything to you, which I feel like you are.
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Garrett Muntz
That's a very millennial reference. But I don't know. I personally was obsessed with Carmen Sandiego when I was a kid, so I would be.
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Jen
So maybe this is why you're such a world traveler.
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Garrett Muntz
Yeah, I have been traveling a lot, and it's been great. I most recently, I just got back from la. I was there for a White Lotus Finale event, which was amazing. Yet another White Lotus thing.
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Jen
Can't get enough of it.
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Garrett Muntz
I've been on the White Lotus beat, and it's been a blast. I'm really sad that it's over, to be honest. But it was funny. They took over the Four Seasons in Westlake Village and turned it into a white Lotus, basically for two days, and it was really.
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Jen
Wow.
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Garrett Muntz
No detail was left. I mean, they had, like, white lotus embroidered robes and stuff in the brooms. It was wild. But that was a blast. And then right before that, I was in Iceland.
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Jen
Oh, I love Iceland.
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Garrett Muntz
Iceland is such a vibe. I really love it. It's such a cool place. It's just, like, weird and feels like an alternate universe. And everyone is so nice and creative.
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Jen
The air is fresh and the colors of the landscape are, like, insane.
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Garrett Muntz
We went on a helicopter ride into a volcano.
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Jen
What?
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Garrett Muntz
Yes.
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Jen
How deep into the said volcano.
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Garrett Muntz
It was like we landed in the volcano crater.
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Jen
Oh, like an empty, dormant volcano.
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Garrett Muntz
Right. Well, also, this was the day that the volcano erupted. And so we were in. I was there with a brand called Bioeffect. I don't know if you guys know this brand. It's their really cool Icelandic skincare brand that's based in growth factors, and apparently one in three Icelandic women use this brand. So it's a huge, huge deal. But it's a great brand. But we were in their office about to go on their lab tour, and they were like, oh, guys, the volcano just erupted. And we were like, what should we be, like, scrambling to.
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Jen
Yeah, what do you do?
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Garrett Muntz
And they're like, no, it's fine. It happens. I guess when you live on a volcanic rock. You're just kind of used to, like, earthquakes and eruptions. But you know the one that happened a month, I think, like, six months ago.
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Jen
Yes, actually near, you know, Andrea. Andrea Mack. She's a perfumer. She makes perfumes. She's not a perfumer. She's a fragrance creative director. It's, like, right near her house. She was showing me pictures of her backyard, and you could see it.
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Garrett Muntz
Yeah, it's wild. I mean, that was a big deal. Apparently, that was the first time it had erupted in hundreds of years. And actually Bio Effect had this huge greenhouse that they grew. They used barley to house their growth factors. So they had this huge greenhouse where they grew up.
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Jen
Barley. Yeah. They've genetically modified barley to make a biomimetic growth factor.
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Garrett Muntz
Correct. That greenhouse is now unable to be used. Cause the lava came up, like, right next to it.
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Jen
Oh, wow.
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Garrett Muntz
Yeah. So they have to, like, move their whole greenhouse operation, which is crazy.
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Jen
But anyway, get your Bio Effect now before the production goes down because of the volcanoes. Okay.
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Garrett Muntz
I mean, luckily they had, like, a big store so they don't have to stop production. But they're like, yeah, it was a big deal, but this was not the one that erupted while I was there. It was an older one, but we landed in this crater.
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Jen
Okay.
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Garrett Muntz
You literally. The ground is, like, smoking through cracks in the ground. And you can touch the rocks, and they're hot. Yeah, it was wild. I was like, this is insane to be in a volcano. I never thought that I would be in a volcano. It was really cool. And also.
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Jen
And for your work as a beauty editor, we're so relatable, guys.
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Garrett Muntz
Totally. I mean, it was great. I mean. And also the bathing culture there, they have such a cool bathing culture. I know. That's a big. We've been talking a lot about that recently. Like, all the natural hot springs. The lagoons were really cool, and they have a really good. They do all these rituals that are like. It's like hydrotherapy, like, sauna, cold plunge, scrubs, steam.
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Jen
Yeah. Jess is Moto operandi. They carry Blue Lagoon, the brand that. It's one of the other big export skincare brands of Iceland besides Bio Effects.
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Garrett Muntz
That's a really good one, too. I actually went to Iceland the first time with that brand and stayed at the Blue Lagoon, which is incredible.
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Jen
Where in the world?
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Garrett Muntz
But yeah, so it's been busy. Spring and then I have more trips coming up, and I'm gonna be all over the place.
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Jen
Okay, maybe you'll do recording from location if we need you would love that in April and May. Okay. So you're back now though. Anything else you've been seeing and doing in the world?
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Garrett Muntz
Well, I've been thinking a lot about this and I wanted to bring it up to you to see if you've been thinking about it too. I've noticed this thing, I know we've talked before about these kind of market expansions, particularly in beauty around GLP1 use.
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Jen
Yes.
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Garrett Muntz
And I've noticed that there's this thing bubbling up about skincare specifically targeted towards GLP1 users.
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Jen
Me? Well, I've been to. I actually just went to an event Last Week with Dr. Julius Few who's doing something in that space.
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Garrett Muntz
I also went to one with him and I think he's fascinating. I mean, what's interesting to me is there's all of these theories and all of this research happening, but no one really knows for sure what's happening to the skin. I mean, everyone can agree that there's laxity issues.
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Jen
Right. If you've lost a lot of weight. Clearly.
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Garrett Muntz
But people are saying that the skin quality is different from GLP1 users in addition to just like sagginess. Right. That you would get from any sort.
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Jen
Of rapid weight loss or diet changes that might affect your skin.
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Garrett Muntz
Correct. So I think that what's interesting is like I think we're going to be seeing a lot more of these products coming out that are attempt to kind of address that issue. But what's fascinating is like there's no agreement in terms of what it is, like why GLP1s do this.
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Jen
Yeah. And so Dr. Few is saying, yes, these drugs have been around for a while, but the number of people who are on them now is why they're realizing, oh, we need to study the topical like epidermis changes. Cause he still quoted the. And we've talked about this 1 in 8Americans, which to me is insanely large part of the population. And that was from 2019. One in eight Americans have been on a GLP1. Look around the room you're in, guys. One in eight. Which means there's this whole new population of people who might be experiencing cellular level skin changes. He said that biomarkers change and the skin for some people could have. It could have a negative effect.
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Garrett Muntz
Yeah. I mean the analogy that he used that I've heard before from other experts is this kind of stretched out rubber band idea. Right. It's like the skin. Cause he was saying his background is in facelifts, he's a plastic surgeon and he was saying that it's harder for him to DO facelifts on GLP1 users because the skin heals differently and it doesn't. He has to stretch it more, which I thought was fascinating. So I think that there's all of these different mechanisms that people are targeting to kind of attempt to address this issue. I think it's really new, and I think it's early days, but I think it's fascinating.
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Jen
It's so the beauty industry to immediately start making products to help it before we've even gotten really good research on what the skin is doing.
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Garrett Muntz
I was recently working on a story that's going to be coming out soon that was more about treatment options. And one of the dermatologists that I spoke to was like, I actually recommend starting to do treatments like microneedling and stuff before you start taking GLP1s. So I was, you know, I was like, all right. So we're like, do you sometimes feel.
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Jen
Like we're in a Black Mirror episode of the world? Like, what are we talking about right now? When I started this job as a journalist working in beauty 25 years ago, I was like, did I think that there would be injectable drugs that did this? And then you have to have radio frequency in your face, and it costs thousands of dollars before you then get this drug. It's like, we're in Robot World, I think the movie Wall E all the time. I'm like, we're in Wall E. It's happening right now.
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Garrett Muntz
No, it's true. I mean, and also, one of the things we're gonna talk about with the news that's even more futuristic. So I think.
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Jen
Oh, yes, yes.
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Garrett Muntz
Fuck a lot. Yeah. I think we're into, like. We're getting into this, like, very future Y thing. But I think your point is correct that, like, all of these products come out without even really knowing what is causing the problem with.
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Jen
They're still attempting to address it. We don't know why, but we'll fix it.
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Garrett Muntz
But it's like editorial. Like, we always have, you know, we have to have a hook.
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Jen
Yeah. No, I mean, that's marketing and everything. I just want to point out that I find that amusing because it is very fun, guys. That's why you come here for that, for my amusing commentary. Anyway, let's get into the news. We're so glad you're safely in New York and not in the middle of a volcano while it's erupting. We have lots to talk about. Let's get to do it. Okay, I'm gonna let you in on a secret. I've always wanted to be a scientist. Everybody listens to fat Mascara knows it's Jen Science Corner. Guess who has helped me up my game. Masterclass and their class with Bill Nye. Masterclass is the only streaming platform where you can learn and grow with more than 200 of the world's best instructors.
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Jess
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Jen
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Jess
What?
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Jen
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Jess
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Jen
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Jess
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Jen
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Garrett Muntz
Let's start with the bad so that we can end on a positive note.
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Jen
Okay, so the bad is the tariffs. There's no way we couldn't bring this up. If you live in the United States, if you live anywhere in the world, it's affecting the global economy. But I've been watching what's going on with the beauty industry. How are they going to respond? So as of when recording this though, things could change by the time this comes out.
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Garrett Muntz
True.
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Jen
The retaliatory tariffs that the US Government. I hate saying the US government like the Trump administration because it's coming from the executive branch, not like the entire US government has in place. Right now are 10% across the board from most countries, 60 countries. However, China right now we have a 145% tariff on goods imported from China and conversely, exports from the America to China are tariffed at 125%. So clearly this is going to affect all of the beauty conglomerates that do a lot of business in China and many of them are therefore going to lose sales and may need to be raising prices in the United States. The other thing is everything is touched almost in the beauty industry by a Chinese import. So we're starting to see, and I'm not just talking like broad strokes, the changes. We're starting to see companies come out and release what their price increases are going to be. So one of the first ones I got, I'm just going to share, just give you an idea because I was like, how's this going to affect the price of everything? I'm thinking it's mostly the thing you're going to see the biggest is the tech stuff like skin care devices, where like almost all of it is made in China and imported. So Foreo, which is actually a Swedish company, I did not realize that Foreo, you know, they make the facial washing devices, all sorts of skin care, medical, skin tech brand. They just announced they will be adjusting their US prices upwards by 20 to 30% starting April 22nd. So you'll see a 20 to 30% increase on all of their different SKUs.
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Garrett Muntz
That's a lot.
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Jen
So I. Right. And they're being really transparent about why they picked this number and what it means, which I think I would like other companies to do. But you, this is what we're talking about. Labor was like, oh, prices are going to go up, but for certain products, like significantly. So what they said, their global commercial director, Mario Gomez, they were saying this is one of the most aggressive tariff hikes we've seen. It fundamentally reshapes the cost of bringing our products into the US obviously. Basically he goes on to say, we're not even passing along the big number to you guys. We're eating a lot of the cost because 145% is what they're seeing, their prices increase. But you're only getting like a 20% increase on retail price.
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Garrett Muntz
I think it's really great that they're so transparent and letting people know because I think that there's gonna be a lot of pushback at any price increase. Right. No matter how much. But to know that how much this is affecting everyone and that it could be worse is an interesting proposition.
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Jen
Right. And For PR reasons. I'm sure they're like, no, we're not passing it on to you. All of it. Just so it seems like we're all in this and we know the margin that beauty companies makes is huge. So obviously they can eat some of that cost, but they spend it on marketing, on shipping, on staffing, on all the other things that go into making a company. So I'm clocking. I'm sort of like keeping a document going of, like, who's announcing their price increases. There's also going to be, I'm sure, brands that just quietly add a dollar or two on sort of in the way that happened with inflation. So we'll start to see more of this. I don't know if I'm telling people to. I don't want people to start stocking up.
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Garrett Muntz
But, like, I mean, I think the other aspect of this too, that I've been thinking a lot about personally is allegedly the point of these tariffs is to attempt to bring manufacturing back to the US But I've been reading a lot. I mean, frankly, like, a lot of the. Especially in beauty, the products that we love and want to buy cannot be made here yet.
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Jen
Right, Right. And it would take years to ramp up to the new manufacturing facilities.
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Garrett Muntz
Correct. And even if they could, they would still be more exp.
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Jen
Yeah.
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Garrett Muntz
Right. I think it's like shedding a light on all of the things that go into creating these products that we use every day now.
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Jen
Like, we know globalization is real, but now it makes it. You know, when people see it at the store and in their own, when they lay down their debit card or whatever tap to buy, that's when they start to understand how global the economy is.
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Garrett Muntz
Correct.
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Jen
And it's like, we're all in it together, guys.
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Garrett Muntz
Yeah. And, you know, nothing drives points home like seeing hard numbers.
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Jen
Right. That's why I want to keep track of like. No, we're talking about your $68 cleansing device is now. Man, don't make me do math. 78.
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Garrett Muntz
Like 68, 20% would be 80, 12.
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Jen
13, $14 added on. So let's. Yeah. Anyway. Over 80 bucks.
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Garrett Muntz
Over 80 bucks. Which is like, it's a lot. I mean, that's 20% of anything is a lot.
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Jen
Yeah. Look at the eggs. Anyway, so that's the negative news from the US Government on a more positive news. I love to share this one. The fda, this just happened at the end of last week. The FDA announced they'll be phasing out animal testing for monoclonal antibodies and Other drugs in development. So basically to get drugs to market quicker, they're realizing. Yes. Everything that we've talked about on this podcast before, which is that there are other ways to test for safety besides anim testing. However, I looked into the statement from the FDA and asked some of my experts that I know and my friends at PETA and whatever, this isn't yet for OTC drugs. So I know I reported on fat mascara before that sunscreens, right now they're saying need to be tested on animals. Because sunscreen, of course, has an OTC drug monograph here in the United States. So we're not sure about that yet. But still positive strides. Yeah, Some negatives. We got some positives. I'm giving you the whole picture.
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Garrett Muntz
I'm hoping that that means it's gonna become more common for other. Like this is just the first industries. I mean, I'm still very confused about the whole sunscreen situation. So I'm hoping that, like, maybe this will trickle into other aspects of the FDA approvals, you know?
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Jen
Yeah, it would be nice. So I think that's great news. That's awesome news in the whole global village of it all. Let's talk about tourism a little bit. Cause I know you're a world traveler. You shared this with me. But I saw this news too, that Kimpton, the hotel chain, is setting up tattoo pop ups throughout April at five of their properties around the country.
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Garrett Muntz
Which is really funny and cool. I mean, basically the idea is that if you stay there during these dates, you can get a free tattoo. I mean, they're tiny tattoos. They have flashes. You can't make your own.
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Jen
Oh, we're gonna look at the flash.
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Garrett Muntz
We're gonna look at the flash. But I think it's. And they're each. I think it's like, what? Dc, New Orleans, New York, Louisiana. And I'm forgetting one.
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Jen
Nashville.
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Garrett Muntz
Nashville. So each tattoo flash is based on that city. Right. So it's like a little souvenir. I think it's really a good idea and it's really fun. I mean, tattoo tourism is not new.
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Jen
People have been doing tattooism. They're calling it tattooism.
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Garrett Muntz
You gotta have a new word for it. It's not new. I mean, people really have been traveling all over the world to get tattoos.
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Jen
Have you gotten tattoos while on a trip?
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Garrett Muntz
Oh, yeah. For sure. I've traveled for tattoos. Not specifically.
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Jen
I've traveled for a tattoo.
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Garrett Muntz
Yeah, I think because for me, I don't know about you, at this point in my life, I have so many tattoos for Me, it's more about finding artists whose work I really love and want to get a piece from as opposed to just like getting one.
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Jen
Wait, does that mean you're not going to go to the Kimpton and New York and get a little piece of flash?
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Garrett Muntz
Oh, no, I would totally do that.
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Jen
Should we do it? We should do it. You know, I. Jess And I, our second year, fat mascara maybe. It was like 100 episodes. I dragged Jess to a tattoo shop while I got a fat mascara tattoo.
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Garrett Muntz
Oh, I remember that episode.
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Jen
Okay. Okay. I just want to make sure it's not the logo, guys. It's not that on the nose. It's eyelashes on my fingers. But you're now part of the fat mascara fam. So you and I have to get tattoos.
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Garrett Muntz
I would 1000% do that.
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Jen
Wait, I'm gonna open it up. Do you have the link to the flash that they're offering in New York City?
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Garrett Muntz
I did look at it. Let me pull it up.
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Jen
I put it in our prep doc. You have to open it up. Cause I wanna see. That's right, guys. We do research beforehand. You know it. I had thoughts. I'm gonna link to this in the show notes too. And you can look for your cities, like Nashville, New Orleans. Like, are these tattoos indicative of New York City for you, Garrett Muntz?
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Garrett Muntz
I. I think maybe about half of them are.
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Jen
We've got the comedy, tragedy, a lot of Broadway themed. We've got ballet slippers. I don't think we should do the ballet slippers. We got a cannoli.
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Garrett Muntz
I love a cannoli. We have like a taxicab. We have an apple that has NY in it. We have just something that's nyc. We have a water tower, which I think is.
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Jen
The water tower is very cool. But isn't that water towers in LA as well? Aren't they?
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Garrett Muntz
I haven't. I mean, I notice water towers here way more than I do in any other city.
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Jen
Yeah, in Brooklyn, especially, like on the roofs, the one I'm confused about. There's like a martini. There's an airplane, but I guess that's for travel. What is that thing in the lower corner? I see the apple with the New York. But that looks like an orange. Like a satsuma orange.
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Garrett Muntz
To me, it does look like an orange. I wonder if they mistakenly put that. And it should be an apple.
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Jen
Maybe it's meant to be an apple. And there's a croissant and coffee. I don't. I think a bagel's way more New York than A croissant.
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Garrett Muntz
If there was a bagel option, I would get that immediately.
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Jen
That's what I was thinking. I was like, I'd get a bagel. I don't know how that relates to fat mascara, but it's just funny. And we can both have a bagel.
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Garrett Muntz
Yeah, I want a bagel with lox on it.
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Jen
Yeah, well, Atlas is gonna be here, actually, by the time this airs, he'll be here. My stepson, you guys know, he lives in Germany, but he's with us part of the year. And I have two days where I like. It's just me and him, so I gotta take care of him. Tell me if you think this is a bad idea, but I have tattoos for everybody in my life that I love. And he's always like, what's my tattoo gonna be? When am I gonna get it? We already decided it's gonna be a pretzel because they're very German and he knows I love them. So I was like, oh, I'll get it. The day that I'm watching him while Eric's at work, I'm gonna take him to the tattoo. Can I take a kid to the tattoo shop while I get my pretzel tattoo?
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Garrett Muntz
Yeah, of course. I mean, he's not getting one, right?
- [26:18]
Jen
You're just gonna watch worse not. Oh, my God, his mother would kill me. His beautiful, beautiful 10 year old perfect skin.
- [26:26]
Garrett Muntz
No, his porcelain skin is marred by.
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Jen
You know what baby skin is like at 10, you still have that soft, soft, like his skin. Cell turnover is like every two days.
- [26:35]
Garrett Muntz
It's firing on all cylinders.
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Jen
His collagen's plump. I would never. But I was thinking about getting my pretzel tattoo, but. Okay, so you and I, we have to think on this because I'm not sure any of this flash is gonna cut it for us.
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Garrett Muntz
I mean, out of all of those, I think the one that I would most get would be the taxicab.
- [26:52]
Jen
Okay.
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Garrett Muntz
Or the water.
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Jen
Can it not. Do we want it to stay in New York? Sure, why not? With the ny. Just put FM on the taxi cab instead.
- [26:59]
Garrett Muntz
Oh, my God. That would be funny. I bet they could do that.
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Jen
Yeah. Okay, let's. We'll sidebar on that.
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Garrett Muntz
Back to the original idea. I think it's really cute because I'm a very efficient packer and traveler. I only do carry on. I never check a bag, no matter how long I'm traveling for.
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Jen
I've been on trips with you. That's cause you wear the same thing every day.
- [27:19]
Garrett Muntz
Having a daily uniform really certainly helps. However, I don't really buy a lot of stuff when I'm traveling. I don't buy a lot of souvenirs. I'm trying to decrease the stuff in my house. So I don't like to bring a ton back with me. So I think something like a tattoo is a really good souvenir.
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Jen
Oh, yeah.
- [27:37]
Garrett Muntz
No matter where you go, says two.
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Jen
People who have lots of tattoos. Meanwhile, people are listening. They're like, what are you talking about? You just went there for a week and now you have permanent body art related to that place. But you know, for people like us that like tattoos. Oh, one of our listeners, actually, I can't keep track of where people are contacting us. But like, they DM me, they DM fat mascara, they Spotify comment, they email info at fat mascara. They text all the time now. Love that. Guys. Keep texting me 646-4818182. But somebody was like, I want Garrett's long term tattoo care. Like, what do we do to keep our tattoos looking nice? So before we wrap up this segment, any thoughts for our listener that asked that?
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Garrett Muntz
Yeah, I mean, listen, I personally, I will admit that I could be better about my personal tattoo care, but I think from over the years, what I've learned. Tattoo care comes down to three things. Sunscreen, exfoliation and moisturization. So I think sunscreen is number one most important. Cause the sun will fade ink so fast. And so even if you have a little teeny tiny one. That's why I love those sunscreen sticks. Because if you're not, even if you don't want to put on a full arm of screen, if you are going outside and you have a little wrist tattoo or something, use that stick just to put it on.
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Jen
So many sticks. Launching this spring too, I feel like all the brands got the memo and are making nice clear sticks. Cause they're so packable. Great.
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Garrett Muntz
For festivals, they're great. I mean, you're not gonna put them on your whole body. But for touch ups and for tattoo coverage, they're great. And then exfoliation, I think you don't have to go overboard. But I always think about, there's this one really famous picture that I remember a dermatologist showed me years ago when I did a tattoo story. And it's a side by side of this guy who was like a metal worker and he came in and had this like really dark kind of faded looking tattoo on his hand. And they did a chemical peel. And after the peel, the tattoo, it Revealed the tattoo was a bright blue rose.
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Jen
Cause it's, like, under a dusty window of dead epidermis.
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Garrett Muntz
Yeah. And he had never exfoliated, so that really drove home to me. Like, just regular exfoliation, no matter where it is, will really help keep it looking fresh. I don't have any color, but especially if, like, you.
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Jen
Wait, did we have that in? I didn't know that. I have one. I have one for my grandma. Ruby. I have a ruby. And I was like, there's no way to get a ruby and not put red in it.
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Garrett Muntz
Oh, totally.
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Jen
But that's my only one.
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Garrett Muntz
I have one little piece of red. I have, like, a bust or a portrait of a guy, and then all.
- [30:13]
Jen
It has is quinsies.
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Garrett Muntz
I know. That's really funny. We've never talked about that before. I only have one.
- [30:19]
Jen
I'm doing it live in front of all the listeners.
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Garrett Muntz
We should do tattoo tours sometimes. Yes, that would be really cool.
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Jen
Come to New York. We'll do a fat mascara tour. We'll take everybody, like, the shops and get a. You're not getting croissant. We won't allow it. Anyone? I don't have anyone thinking with that. Bagels only.
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Garrett Muntz
But anyway, so exfoliation and then hydration. I mean, there's all of these great lotions and oils. I love an oil because I feel like they make the ink really pop really well.
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Jen
Oh, yeah.
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Garrett Muntz
There's a brand called Mad Rabbit that I think that all their products are really, really, really nice for tattoo care. They also do aftercare, if you just got one. Also, that brand, Hustle Butter, has really good kind of lotions and stuff. And then, not for nothing, the rocks line. Pa. Yeah. I actually really love his line. It's all in Target. It's all less than $10. But he has a tattoo stick that's really good.
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Jen
Oh, he does?
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Garrett Muntz
Yeah. Cause, you know, he has a lot of tattoos.
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Jen
Actually, one of my tattoos is similar to his. Cause I was in. It wasn't Polynesia, but I was in New Zealand. And some of the tattoo art there is very similar to the South Pacific. And I. Maybe I should use the rocks.
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Garrett Muntz
You should. I mean, it's a great product. It's just like kind of a shine oil stick. But it's really great. I mean, that's a great point, too. I think for me, one of the things that I love about tattoo tourism is that so many cultures have specific tattoo traditions.
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Jen
Yeah.
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Garrett Muntz
So I think it's a really great way to kind of learn about other cultures.
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Jen
And if you're willing to go and learn and get it from the source, not a derivative version of it. Why not? What can help with that is our next thing I wanted to briefly talk about. Cause I just realized this existed, and I think it's super cool. Cornell University here in New York in the US Has a hybrid body lab. So this was founded and still directed by Professor Cindy Shin Liu Kao. They focus on the invention of culturally inspired materials, processes, and tools for crafting technology on and into the body surface. So this lab has been around for a while, and they are doing, like, sweat testers and skin grafts and foils that are on your body that read technology. Talk about Wall E. Good Lord, like, Wall E has come to life. But what I think is really cool at, they also look into the psychological effects of this culturally, how we feel about it. Because a lot of people, me included, get weirded out about incorporating technology into the body. It weirds me out that my dog has a sensor, a chip. Right. And I do think it's not gonna be that many years before people get chipped.
- [32:52]
Garrett Muntz
I mean, listen, we're already kind of seeing that start to happen with the brains, the neuralink stuff that's still being tested. And it's not nearly what I thought was interesting about this. I think the applications are so really, like, I'm with you. I wouldn't do it today. I think that it's not ready. But for me, coming from, like, a wellness longevity kind of fitness standpoint, too, I can see one of the first things to happen is, like, integrated health.
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Jen
Trackers into your skin and your medical charts. Guys, think about how hard it is when you go to the doctor's office and, like, do the CDs of your MRI from three years ago when you're going through cancer. And there's, like, you have to have paperwork with you everywhere. But also not all of the blood testing they'd have to do. You literally would have, like, a little port and a little tracker. They knew exactly all of your medical history downloadable right there. Plus, could take tests, which I can't believe. I'm saying this is a positive thing, but what's not to like about that? It might be so normal. We don't even think it's weird.
- [33:48]
Garrett Muntz
Totally. I think we're more normal and we.
- [33:49]
Jen
Carry around computers in our pockets now, and nobody thinks anything of the fact that these have changed the world. So.
- [33:54]
Garrett Muntz
And if you told us, why would.
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Jen
They be in our body?
- [33:56]
Garrett Muntz
If you told us 30 years ago that we would all be carrying Our computers in our pockets, we would be like, no way.
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Jen
And be able to talk to people on the Judy Jetson phone, like at any time. Sometimes I think about that, like the old fashioned versions of the future and what has actually come true and what's not. But I think a lot of people have an ick factor about it. And part of the work that this lab does is to talk about the ick factor and how can we do this in a way that feels culturally sensitive? Partially. And so it's really interesting. The reason I learned about it, Dazed wrote about it because they had some artists in residence at the end of the year and they were just working on projects that get you thinking about the way we use our bodies and technology. And one of them was a tattoo machine. So it was a fingernail extension that had a tattoo needle on it. So like you have your nails and one of them you could just be drawing and it actually is tattooing someone. It was hooked up to a motor.
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Garrett Muntz
I mean, that was so rad. It was so cool. I also think that they did a couple different things with nails. I think nails, honestly, is like one of the most accessible ways to jump into this because they. People already get like extensions or acrylics or things like that. You've talked about the business card nail thing. I think out of all of those things that they did with the nails, the one that I was most excited about was the laser nails.
- [35:15]
Jen
Wait, okay, really guys? It's a laser pointer. That's what it seemed to be, right?
- [35:19]
Garrett Muntz
It was basically like your acrylics are laser pointers.
- [35:24]
Jen
What are you gonna go to the rave and be like.
- [35:26]
Garrett Muntz
It just felt very like superhero to me. I was, wow, I could be shooting lasers from my hands.
- [35:33]
Jen
I mean, the gimmick factor of it is super fun.
- [35:36]
Garrett Muntz
Yeah. It doesn't feel very practical when you.
- [35:38]
Jen
Talk and you're like to here and you snap and your laser finger goes on, or we're at the store and like you need something up high and they're like, what can we get for you, ma'am? And I'll be like.
- [35:50]
Garrett Muntz
Or like you have a like cat and you just like are at home, like harassing.
- [35:54]
Jen
That's where you're brain with it. You're gonna mess with your little. Well, they like it. They like to chase it.
- [35:58]
Garrett Muntz
So that's like, I'm not a cat person, but I know that they do love laser pointers. I just thought it was really gimmicky and fun and silly. But I mean, there's, I think that it's really an interesting exercise in, like, ways to kind of enhance nails. I thought it was fascinating.
- [36:13]
Jen
Yeah. And it feels if we're trying to ease people into the positive things that modifying bodies and technology can do. Like, this is a soft entry point, right? Totally. You will.
- [36:23]
Garrett Muntz
Cause you can always take the nails off.
- [36:25]
Jen
You already have, like fake nails on guys. Like a lot of you probably. Like, I have gels that's fairly permanent. It doesn't feel that odd to me.
- [36:31]
Garrett Muntz
So I thought. I thought it was a really interesting thing to think about in terms of body modification, how it could be a positive thing. I love body modification. I think it's fascinating to me.
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Jen
Oh, wait. I just saw people that got magnets. A couple that had. You know how you can have studs put under your skin? Those kind of body mods? I don't know if you guys have seen that. Sometimes they look like pointy or whatever. This couple both got a stud that was magnetic so that when they're near each other and they have their hands next to each other, the studs magnetize and their hands are magneted together. Did you see that?
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Garrett Muntz
No, but that sounds really interesting.
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Jen
I just hear my mother if she listens to this episode. She doesn't listen to every episode, but I can just hear her screaming right now because she's so grossed out about my tattoos and anything body mod. Also, Jess probably wouldn't like it that much either. Now that I'm thinking about it.
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Garrett Muntz
I mean, how strong would that magnet have to be to like, reach through.
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Jen
Your skin like that? I'll send you guys a picture. Guys, I'm gonna put it on the show notes. Click on the. I'll make it its own little line in the show notes, like the body mod magnets, just so you can click on it and see. I'll make life easy for you. Look at that. Me using technology for a positive for our listeners.
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Garrett Muntz
I think that's a very creative thing to do. I mean, whoever came up with that idea is kind of a genius.
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Jen
Yeah. Okay, before we wrap up, I wanna go to Science Corner. Come to Science Corner with me. Okay. Garrett, I know you went to Florida for the AAD meeting. I'm not sure if you caught this. A professor of dermatology from Emory University, Asha Patel Shah did some research and a study demonstrating that retinol, when sandwiched, can actually decrease its effectiveness. If you do a double ended sandwich, I feel like I'm bearing the lead. But you know the moisture sandwich technique for retinols that a doctor might Tell you, like, oh, to buffer it so it's not as harsh on your skin when you're first using it, put it down a layer of moisturizer. Then you put your retinoid, whether it's prescription or over the counter, and then you put moisture again. Well, they studied. Does that make the retinoid less effective? Turns out it does if you're doing the moisture sandwich, but if you're doing an open face sandwich, so moisture only on one end either before or after, though before is the better way. I think. That doesn't decrease the effectiveness of the retinoid, yet it can help with any potential negative side effects. Crazily enough, nobody had ever studied this.
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Garrett Muntz
It's fascinating that there was no study because that's such a common piece of advice.
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Jen
I feel like every story I've written about retinoids, when you talk to a dermatologist, they're like, if you have too much irritation, buffer the retinoid by putting on a moisturizer before and then you can go ahead with the rest of your skincare routine. And usually for a lot of people, that might also include some sort of moisturizing or occlusive or even a moisturizing sunscreen after. But what they're saying now is like, you only want the moisture on one side. So if this is just for, like, news you can use, you would put on your moisture and your retinoid. Then you have to wait a little bit if you're going to be putting on another product on top so as to let the retinoid do its thing. Two minutes is what I read somewhere, but I don't think it's like just a little bit.
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Garrett Muntz
Who wants to sit there for two minutes waiting for their skincare to dry?
- [39:47]
Jen
Nobody. But like, if you're using a retinoid and you want to get your money's worth.
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Garrett Muntz
Yeah.
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Jen
Don't just go right putting moisturizer right on top. If you put it underneath, otherwise you've just decreased the effectiveness of it. Then again, if it is very irritating, that might be an okay thing for you. But I feel like most people are like, I want to get my money's worth.
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Garrett Muntz
Yeah. But as interesting as this study is, because it's new and it kind of sheds light on something, it's also not unexpected to me because, like, isn't that the point of. Is to like, minimize? So, like, theoretically, of course, it would not be as strong.
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Jen
Oh. But they're measuring the bioactivity. So what they're showing you is that the good Bioactivity effects are still happening because I think some doctors said, yeah, the reason it's less irritating is because you're also getting less of the positive effects of the retinoid. But this is showing. No, you're still getting that bioactivity that you want for the cell turnover, for collagen boosting, for all the other things that a retinoid does, but you don't have the irritation.
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Garrett Muntz
I see. Okay.
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Jen
I think they were like, oh, we're making a trade off. Because you're doing the moisture, you have less irritation, but it also means you didn't have an effective retinoid. And now we can see. As long as you do the open face sandwich, then you're fine. I just want to keep saying open face sandwich. I don't know why.
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Garrett Muntz
So you think that you would do the moisturizer, then retinol.
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Jen
That's what I think.
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Garrett Muntz
I would do the opposite.
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Jen
You would do the retinol and then very quickly after the moisture to like lock it in. To both lock it in and buffer it a bit. Yeah, I know. To me, somehow putting the shield of the moisturizer first feels more buffering. But as this study shows, and I'll link to it in our show notes, it doesn't matter. Both work.
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Garrett Muntz
Yeah. Interesting.
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Jen
Okay, now we're done.
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Garrett Muntz
That's really cool. That's a great study. I love when people study stuff that we all think is already just a given.
- [41:33]
Jen
Yeah, it's like those old wives tales that then sometimes they get negated when you actually, they actually do the research. Like swimming. Because I was like a swim instructor for like a long time. And every, every mom and every parent of the kids I taught would be like, he just had lunch, you know, like, no swimming a half an hour after lunch.
- [41:50]
Garrett Muntz
You're like, truly, that does not matter.
- [41:53]
Jen
Except for like those that get tummy aches. Cause I've been. I've had upset tummies of swimming students. The like the nerve nervous ones.
- [42:00]
Garrett Muntz
Oh, yeah.
- [42:00]
Jen
Oh, I have stories. But that's only because they were nervous or something like that.
- [42:04]
Garrett Muntz
That feels more psychosomatic than anything else.
- [42:07]
Jen
Correct, Correct, Correct. Anyway, why did I take us so far off topic? Let's be done with that. Let's go raise some wands.
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Jess
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Garrett Muntz
Foreign.
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Jen
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Jess
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Jen
Boop, boop, boop.
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Jess
For her face, her legs, her arms. Great for touch ups.
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Jen
They have so many formats. Go to blue lizardsunscreen.com to find out more information. Which sunscreens are right for your family and where you can buy in store or visit the Blue Lizard Australian Sunscreen store on Amazon. Okay, it is time to raise aan. Usually I don't know if anybody cares about this, our sound editor. Sorry, Enrique. What are you, an engineer? He's sound editor. Enrique's an amazing person that makes the whole podcast sound good, but he brings in after the fact the voice messages from the listeners and cleans them up. Sorry, Enrique. I'm doing it this way because I want to hear live reactions from Garrett as I play our listener's voicemail. So here we go. You ready, Garrett?
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Garrett Muntz
Yes, April.
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Jen
I'm from Podunk, eastern North Carolina. I just listened to the episode Garrett was on and it was the White Lotus episode and he was talking about Charlotte and barbecue. And so I wanted to take his offer up on discussing barbecue and the difference of locations. And while I greatly appreciate western barbecue.
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Jess
My heart is with Eastern barbecue.
- [47:10]
Jen
Shout out to Parker's Barbecue in Wilson, North Carolina. But anyway, I just had to share that I love your podcast and here in my home state, brought up kind of warmed my heart a little bit. And just so you know, I live in a super rural town. I live on a farm. I work from home and every morning I do my walk around the farm for exercise. And I always listen to your podcast while I'm doing it. Oh my gosh. I Love it. I love everything y'all do. And I just wanted to say hi. Thanks.
- [47:47]
Garrett Muntz
Oh, my God. Okay. I'm on board with the eastern North Carolina barbecue sauce.
- [47:54]
Jen
Okay, so April has a point here.
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Garrett Muntz
April knows her barbecue as all good Carolinians do. Barbecue is a huge deal. I don't know if y'all know about this, but there's a huge difference between western North Carolina barbecue sauce and eastern North Carolina barbecue sauce. And barbecue is specific. It is pulled pork only. We're not Texas barbecue.
- [48:19]
Jen
None of this brisket shit.
- [48:20]
Garrett Muntz
Texas barbecue is not real barbecue. Sorry. We're not talking ribs.
- [48:25]
Jen
We're not talking about fighting words. People are already dialing in.
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Garrett Muntz
People are dialing in right now. The lines are. Are lighting up. But barbecue is pulled pork. Western North Carolina barbecue sauce is tomato based sauce.
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Jen
Okay.
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Garrett Muntz
Eastern North Carolina barbecue sauce is vinegar based sauce. So it's like a clear sauce. It has chili sauce for your pulled pork. Yes. You put it on that.
- [48:48]
Jen
They're basting with, like, they're basting with tomato in the west, and they're basting with a more vinegar.
- [48:52]
Garrett Muntz
I mean, sometimes they'll base with it. Usually you pour it on afterward like you would make a sandwich or whatever.
- [48:58]
Jen
And then. Okay, got it.
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Garrett Muntz
The vinegar based sauce is where it's at. It is the real sauce. It is the real deal. It is the only sauce that matters. We're not even gonna get into South Carolina barbecue sauce, which is mustard base. My husband and I fight about this all the time. He loves to.
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Jen
Is he from South Carolina?
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Garrett Muntz
No, he is not. But he knows how I feel about it. So he likes to bring up how he, quote unquote, loves South Carolina barbecue sauce. I was like, no, this is not real. Eastern April is correct.
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Jen
Have you ever heard of Parker's? Did you say so?
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Garrett Muntz
I have not heard of Parker's, but I've also never been to Wilson, North Carolina. I don't think the thing about North Carolina is that every town has the barbecue spot. So.
- [49:39]
Jen
Okay, Parker's. I'm looking at it. Yeah.
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Garrett Muntz
In Charlotte. Charlotte, frankly, is not known for its barbecue. Barbecue is more about kind of the small towns. My mom grew up in a place called Henderson, and so barbecue is really its best when you're kind of in a small town. The way that I've always learned this growing up is that you look for the place that has the most cars in the parking lot. That way you know that it's real and that it's good.
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Jen
Parker's is giving me a. A visual on pulled Pork, which I actually don't think I knew that's what your barbecue was. So thank you for that. And then they have the Parker sauce, which it says right under Parker's barbecue. It says vinegar sauce. So clearly an Eastern barbecue right here. She's raised. I don't know what she was raising a wand to. I just wanted to play that Voicemail. She must be raising a wand to Eastern barbecue. Eastern North Carolina barbecue.
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Garrett Muntz
I mean, listen, it is the ultimate wand raise because it is the best barbecue in the world.
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Jen
Lines are open if anybody needs to enter the debate with their own. Like, I feel like the people from Tennessee both.
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Garrett Muntz
I know many things.
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Jen
The Memphis people, the Nashville people are gonna. The Texas people are gonna have something to say.
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Garrett Muntz
I' really opening up the floodgates here. But I'm just gonna tell you, as a North Carolinian, the only barbecue is pulled pork with an eastern North Carolina barbecue sauce. So.
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Jen
All right, Fighting words. Listen, we have cheesesteaks in Philly, so I don't even need to enter this competition. It's fine. Our sauce is Velveeta.
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Garrett Muntz
I never had a cheesecake until. Or cheesesteak until. Cheesecake, cheesesteak. Until I moved up to, like, New York City and I went to Philly for the first time.
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Jen
They're fairly. I mean, everybody has their. And then in Pittsburgh, let's put, like, permantes in their sandwich. Like, everybody's got their sandwich, and you obviously have got your pulled pork barbecue. 646-481-8182. Call us. Let us know what barbecue you love.
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Garrett Muntz
We want to know all about the barbecue.
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Jen
What the lines are really for is a beauty product that you want to raise a wand to something that you're loving. Garrett, what are you loving this week besides April?
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Garrett Muntz
So I'm raising a wand to the new Aesop body cleanser. It's called the Elios Nourishing Cleanser. It is the first time that they've done, like, a cream based body cleanser. They have the scrub, they have the geranium cleanser, which are kind of icons. This is a new one. I didn't think that I would love it because I don't usually love a cream cleanser, but this stuff is insanely good. I used it.
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Jen
Wait, is it the other two that you named? I think of them as hand washes. Are they actually technically body and hand washes?
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Garrett Muntz
They have body versions.
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Jen
Oh, okay. Okay.
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Garrett Muntz
There's a body.
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Jen
This cream one is for body body only. Okay.
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Garrett Muntz
And I used it a couple times at night. I think that it's like the best night body wash I've ever used. Because the scent is incredible. It has. I don't think it technically. Well, they don't say it has lavender in it. The bottle is a lavender color, so. And it has a lavender kind of vibe. It has like patchouli clove, cedar atlas. And it's crisp and a little woody, a little spicy, but it definitely has a lavender kind of tinge to it. But more than that. So it's like a really good nighttime scent. It definitely left my skin more scented than I usually have, like during a day body wash.
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Jen
Okay.
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Garrett Muntz
Even like an hour later, I could smell it. I would kind of get whiffs of myself. And I was like, I smell great. But also it just. It's a cream cleanser. But it's a little milky, so it's not too thick. But it left my skin feeling so.
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Jen
Soft and even for you with a little bit of body hair left. We haven't checked in in a while, but is there any body hair left?
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Garrett Muntz
We're actually going the opposite direction now not to be tier my hair. We're growing, we're growing. We're going natural.
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Jen
Okay. So for that reason is what I was guessing. Like, sometimes a creamy might not be great. Cause sticky.
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Garrett Muntz
Yeah, it's just sticky and gross. I also, I'm not really a lotion guy because of the same reason. So this is definitely left my skin feeling like I had put on lotion and I hadn't. Which is kind of what I want from a body wash at night. Cause I want to be moisturized, but I don't want to feel too, like, heavy. But I just, I thought it was such a great release. I don't know if they've chose to make this cause of customer feedback or what, but it. Because, I mean, I love their other cleansers, but this one is absolutely incredible. I mean, it's slightly pricey. It's $37 for the tube, But I think it's such a luxurious kind of nice nighttime beauty sleep vibe.
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Jen
Yeah, that'll be your special. That's like, guys, you put in your shower and if you have kids, you're like, don't touch.
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Garrett Muntz
Yeah, totally.
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Jen
That's daddy's special body wash. So Atlas is coming. I'm already thinking, like, I don't mind, but what time I. I forget what shampoo. Luckily, the K18 is hidden, but, like, it was something. I was just like, man, you just used half a bottle of $30 shampoo.
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Garrett Muntz
I mean, she's like, it dropped. I'm like, no. The other thing too is like, guys use a lot of product.
- [54:46]
Jen
Yeah, you don't need that. By the way. We're gonna have a talking too.
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Garrett Muntz
I use so much body wash. That's nice though.
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Jen
Listen, it's a little luxuries. Life is hard. The world is hard. You know, treat yourself.
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Garrett Muntz
But this is a really good treat, so I highly recommend it. Raising a wand to that.
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Jen
That we'll raise a one to that. I'm raising one. It's slightly scientific and technical, but I was like, Garrett's going to go here with me. The name of the product is C ElementsMD Daily DNA UVA Defense Cream. Not cheap. 120. However, when is the last time. I know we say all the time clinical studies are important. We all know a company can pay for a clinical study to pretty much find whatever they want. Even if it's at like 98% of people saw an improvement. It was paid for by like a lab in Jersey or South Carolina. Those are the two that I know that like they found 50 people and 49 of them, like, my skin looked better. And of course it did because they were just using something new that probably had some nice glycerin in it. We love a clinical study, but what we love even more is a peer reviewed published in an academic journal study about a topical. When's the last time you saw a product have that.
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Garrett Muntz
That's rare.
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Jen
So rare. Because honestly, if you're doing research, your goal is not. Not to put products out. Your goal is to advance science. However, this company, their product actually was tested and the derm list of the people that worked on this test is the top of the top. So I'll link to it. So you can see that. And what the active special ingredient is, is an encapsulated cannabidiol. And we know cannabidiol does good things and people aren't exactly sure how it works. But this studied that and what they found with their cream, which is this cream I'm about to talk about, that has an encapsulated cannabidiol is that it mitigated UVA damage. So when you put on sunscreen, obviously you're filtering UVB and UVA rays. You're definitely not getting the damage of like a burn. You're decreasing the chances of skin cancer and all of that. However, there is still some UVA light that gets through. It affects at a DNA level the way your skin works. That's how eventually you might get a cancer or you might see photo aging. So what this does is the encapsulated cannabidiol. It buffers that. It doesn't do that. I'm not gonna get into the deep science. You can. I'm gonna link to this study. It's peer reviewed and it was in the JAD like it's the American Academy, the good, the big time journal, the major. So I was like, okay. I asked them why it doesn't have sunscreen also in it. Cause what I would really like is both of those together. Cause then I can put on one product. But they were talking about formulation and how they couldn't go there. And also it takes a long time to get, as we know, a sunscreen approved here. So they were like, let's just get this out there with what we have. I brought it with me to South Carolina because I knew it was going to be in the sun. I started using it about three weeks ago. I'm assuming it helped. I have not gotten burned. I was also wearing sunscreen. I'm assuming it helped with everything it said because there is a peer reviewed study. But here's the thing, which they did not study, but I'm going to say it right now. It helps with my rosacea.
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Garrett Muntz
Really.
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Jen
I think this is my cream. I know cannabidiol has an anti inflammatory effect and it calms down things. I'm not sure what's going on. Maybe you have rosacea, right?
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Garrett Muntz
I do, yeah.
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Jen
You know how like you've had a sun session and most people are like, yeah, I got red because I was hot or whatever. But if you have rosacea, you're just red for like the rest of the day. And like, even if you don't get a sunburn, it kind of looks like you do have a sunburn. You could be in the shade with SPF 50 and you still get red. I didn't see redness from the sun. But not only that, just my general, like my chin and around my nose are very vascular. And since I've been using this, I also like needing less foundation. I was like, wait. I went to go put on my foundation actually just a couple days ago. And I was like, I don't really use it for anything other than redness. Like, I don't need it for spots really. And I don't. They don't bother me. It's just under eye circles and redness. And I just didn't need it on my chin and around my nose, which normally I do not. I can't. Like, this is not. I'm not Peer reviewing myself. Like, I don't know if it's this cream doing it, but I really think it is. And I know rosacea bothers so many people, and I got to talk to the doctor, Dr. Adam Friedman, who is one of the doctors that made it, to see if. Even if they can't make that claim, if he thinks that I'm right, that it could be beneficial for that reason.
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Garrett Muntz
I mean, if it's the only thing, that new thing that you've been using and you notice an improvement, I would imagine it would be the.
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Jen
I have. There's one other new thing I've been using, too.
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Garrett Muntz
I mean, what. What do they say? Like, correlation, not causation, but, like.
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Jen
Yeah, but I only used that twice in one of the. For three weeks, I've been using that, and I only use that two days. Whereas this, I've been using like. Like seven days a week for the last three weeks.
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Garrett Muntz
I think that's really exciting. I mean, obviously, if they can't claim rosacea specifically, but you've been seeing it, like, why not?
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Jen
Also in the study, they did punch biopsies to check that this was working on, like, mitochondrial DNA. Oh, wow. They got the receipts.
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Garrett Muntz
Yeah. This is like a real legit operation. Yeah.
- [59:34]
Jen
It's not sexy. It's not sexy, guys. I'm not gonna lie to you. It's $120, and it looks like it belongs in a doctor's office, but it works.
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Garrett Muntz
If it works, it works. Listen, so I just got. Basically, the minute I turned 40, I got rosacea. And so, like, I've been really trying to.
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Jen
Like, I haven't. Busters at your surprise party, I'm like, oh, guess what blew out the candles.
- [59:54]
Garrett Muntz
Happy birthday.
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Jen
And your face turned red.
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Garrett Muntz
I remember the same thing happened to my mother. And so, like, I think that I've been really trying to figure out what. It's a new thing for me, so I've been really trying to figure out solutions. And this sounds really promising. I mean, I had a thought, like, to use. Use cannabidiol for that, but if this could help. Yeah, it's great.
- [60:13]
Jen
And I have tried prescription treatments, like the Metro gel. No. What's the one that they said could cure Covid, but it can't. And then people use that for little yeasty things on your face. Well, I didn't. Clearly, I don't have my prep document on that one. Anyway, if you're listening and you have rosacea, I'm gonna link to it because. And if not, if for only the reason also, if you have really sensitive skin or worried about skin cancer, this is for people that are prone to skin cancers and. And that kind of thing. I think it's a really. It might be a game changer. Anyway. Raise a wand.
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Garrett Muntz
I wonder if. I mean, when you talk to the doctor, I wonder if part of the reason that they couldn't put sunscreen in it is that adding a chemical sunscreen could make it less effective.
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Jen
No. I did ask him and he said it was both a formulation thing and a speed to market kind of thing that they want, so.
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Garrett Muntz
But using like a mineral sunscreen might help, right?
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Jen
And I always wear sunscreen on top of this now, but I don't know, I really.
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Garrett Muntz
So exciting.
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Jen
Yeah. C Elements MD defense cream. Well, you're gonna get your beauty smelling like Aesop. What's the name of it? Cream body wash. Elios. I'll smell like Cielo. It doesn't smell anything. It's unfragrranced. Mine's so nuts.
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Garrett Muntz
But you're gonna have milky, unrad skin.
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Jen
Beautiful, non red, red skin. And everybody else, especially April, as you walk around your farm, I just. We're there with you. We love it.
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Garrett Muntz
April, the next time that you have delicious Parker's barbecue, please think of me.
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Jen
Yes. All right. Get your beauty sleep, everyone.
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Garrett Muntz
Get your beauty sleep.
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Jess
We hope you enjoyed the show.
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Jen
It's your reviews and feedback that help us make the podcast even better. Head over to itunes to rate and review us or email your thoughts to infoatmascara.com we also want to answer your.
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Jess
Beauty questions and hear what products you love. To share a raise a wand product with you or to ask a beauty question. Email us at infoatmascara.
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Jen
If you send it as a voice memo file, we can even share your voice on the podcast. You can also do that by leaving us a voice message. Our phone number in the United States is 646-481-8182.
- [62:17]
Jess
Thanks so much for listening.
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Garrett Muntz
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