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Paige
This is Paige, the co host of Giggly Squad. I use Uber Eats for everything and I feel like people forget that you can truly order anything, especially living in New York City. It's why I love it. You can get Chinese food at any time of night. But it's not just for food. I order from CVS all the time. I'm always ordering from the grocery store. If a friend stops over, I have to order champagne. I also have this thing that whenever I travel, if I'm ever in a hotel room, I never feel like I'm missing something because I'll just Uber Eats it. The amount of times I've had to Uber Eats hair items like hairspray, deodorant, you name it, I've ordered it. On Uber Eats, you can get grocery alcohol everyday essentials in addition to restaurants and food you love. So in other words, get almost anything. With Uber Eats. Order now for alcohol, you must be legal drinking age. Please enjoy responsibly. Product availability varies by region.
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Jen Sullivan
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Jen Sullivan
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Jessica Matlin
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Jen Sullivan
Hello everyone. Welcome to Fat Mascara. I'm Jen Sullivan. Jessica Matlin will be here momentarily. We have such a treat for you today, but before we get into the episode, I do have to ask you if you like the podcast. Head over to Apple and throw us a review if you don't mind. That really helps us become discovered by other listeners like you. Or you can go on Spotify and comment on each episode or give us a review there. Throw some stars if you're in the mood. And sometimes I read some of the comments. So I'm gonna do that right now. This was last week's interview episode. Last Friday we had on Sir Candleman. Chloe Booth says Jen, please have back on the regular news episodes if fragrance is the main topic. You guys have real chemistry. It was a joy to listen to. Oh, me and Coetzee. Thank you, Chloe. And then I can't even begin to do this username for you. 22 K x y. You know what, I salute you for even making a username. You clearly just fell asleep on the keyboard. But you did it so you could write this comment. My first fat Mascara listen because I love couldsey. I'm hooked now and going back to listen to previous pods. We love that. We love when you find us through our guests. And so if you're a fan of or know who Victoria Jackson is, maybe you're a new listener to Fat Mascara. Welcome. If you don't know who she is, you are in for such a treat. When I say you'll be inspired. I don't even know where to start. The struggles she's been through and the way she has consistently chosen survival and positivity, it's just so inspiring. Victoria has lived multiple lives. She's currently the founder of no Makeup Makeup. She's also a cosmetics pioneer, medical trailblazer, sexual assault survivor, all of which she writes about so eloquently in her books. The most recent book is called We All Worry. So now what? But to give a little background before you meet Victoria. So back in 1986, she founded Victoria Jackson Cosmetics, and she was one of the first people to sell cosmetics using infomercials. I mean, that was like the OG social selling and now it's everywhere. But after her daughter was diagnosed with neuromyelitis optica, she became a medical trailblazer, and she and her husband ended up establishing the Guthy Jackson Charitable Foundation. It's only after that that she decided to get back into cosmetics, which is where she is now. She's also been inducted into the National Women's hall of Fame. So I think that's a first for Fat Mascara. I'm going to shut up so you can meet her. Everybody, please welcome Victoria Jackson to the virtual studio. Victoria, hi. Welcome to Fat Mascara.
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Victoria Jackson
Hi. How are you?
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Jen Sullivan
We're good.
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Victoria Jackson
I'm so glad to be here.
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Jen Sullivan
We're thrilled to have you. Jess and I are very excited for this. We were doing all our research on your life, and we were looking at your website, and both of us fell in love with this headline you have. From Mascara to Medicine. Like, thank you for summing up your life for us, Victoria.
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Victoria Jackson
Yeah, that's about it. From Mascara to medicine. I always say, how many M's am I in in a day? Like, mascara, medicine, music, marriage maintenance, music.
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Jessica Matlin
Oh, wow.
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Victoria Jackson
I have a son who's in the music business, so it's always an M that I seem to be dealing with.
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Jen Sullivan
Well, we want to get into all of that, but since this is a beauty podcast, I gotta start with the M for makeup and go. And take us back to, like, when you first became a makeup artist. I feel like some people might not even know that you started out as a makeup artist.
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Victoria Jackson
Yes, I started out as a makeup artist who didn't have a lot of talent. It was. I had a lot of great ideas. No, I really did. I mean, I really had to teach myself. You know, I had a vision of how I wanted to see people in my head. And the whole no makeup makeup thing, really, which people say, wow, it's really trending now. It's been trending for me my whole life.
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Jessica Matlin
It's trending now.
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Victoria Jackson
Yeah. But I really did. I really needed to teach myself how to have this skill set to ultimately watch what other makeup artists were doing and perfect it. And people think, oh, it's just a gift that you have. And I'm like, no, no, not really. I had to teach myself to be ultimately a very good makeup artist in the no makeup makeup sort of genre.
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Jen Sullivan
But what even drew you to that when you were like, here's what I'll do with my life? Why did makeup stand out or the beauty industry?
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Victoria Jackson
You know what? I was always a creative. I clearly discovered that at a young age, even in a very dysfunctional household, I realized I Wasn't gonna be an academic. I could see that in my sister that she was. And it wasn't something that called to me. I was always sort of designing as I still do. My dad was a wallpaper salesman, and I was picking out the wall coverings in my room when nobody else really cared. So I just always had an eye for it. I knew I was gonna do something different. I don't think I knew that it was gonna be makeup, but I knew that I was definitely more of a creative.
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Jessica Matlin
And, like, when you were getting started, like, what was the makeup vibe at the time? Cause, like, wasn't it a little over the top, a little showy? I'm thinking about when I first discovered you. It was a different aesthetic.
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Victoria Jackson
Oh, my gosh. I mean, think about it, Jess. I was in the 80s is when my makeup came out. And 80s was shoulder pads and glam, and a lot of it was kind of the antithesis of no makeup makeup. That's when I launched my product. So I always. I just never could find a product when I was a makeup artist that. Because I always had this sensibility that went more toward women looking more like themselves and not looking like they had a lot of makeup on. That was just early on how I saw the picture. I just needed to create that, and then I needed the tools that could help me paint that picture.
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Jessica Matlin
Was it just. You were just drawn to that? Like, when you saw, okay, you're looking at women, you see them, like, looking more.
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Jen Sullivan
You're picturing Dallas.
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Victoria Jackson
Yeah, I did the COVID you know, People magazine. My first cover was Larry Hagman. Like, my first one from Dallas. And I mean, there it was a man. But which was perfect for my no makeup makeup because I was making him look like him. But yeah, I think I just always, when I saw people, I would be the first to notice probably more what was wrong than what I wanted to make right. Where they had too much makeup on. Or I go, why are they wearing so much? They don't need to have so much on. Or, oh, they've just got way too much on their eyes. How can I. Like, if I were doing it, I would do blah, blah.
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Jessica Matlin
You know, this is a funny question. I never really thought about this. How did that look start? That kind of really crazy 80s Delta Burke. I don't know why I'm picking on her. Like, I guess I just think of, like, that I feel like she wore a lot of eyeshadow. I don't know. That's just a random person I saw. Sorry, Delta. Crazy Eyeshadow?
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Victoria Jackson
Yeah.
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Jessica Matlin
How did that start?
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Victoria Jackson
You know what I always think, think about, like, music. Rock and roll, to me, seems to. So, you know, whether it's a David Bowie or. I just think so much music and fashion and art around the time Warhol. I just think people get inspired, and then there you go, the trend begins and everybody's starting to do it.
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Jen Sullivan
We have seven eyeshadow colors on.
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Jessica Matlin
Yeah.
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Victoria Jackson
And if you've got bigger shoulders, like shoulder pads, you probably start thinking, I need bigger makeup, you know.
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Jessica Matlin
Yeah. Do you think it'll ever come back? It's weird that that hasn't come back.
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Victoria Jackson
Full swing, the shoulder pads.
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Jessica Matlin
No, no, no. I mean, just like that. Bam. Full on, like glam makeup.
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Victoria Jackson
Yeah. I mean, I think even, you know, when I came back into the world of It now, after 17 years of being in the. In the world of medicine, I mean, I saw a lot of these tutorials of people that were really, like, piling it on in a way that I'm like, wow, well, I'm back. Not a whole lot's changed. So I actually really felt that.
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Jessica Matlin
So, yeah, I guess you're right. Own way. Yeah. Okay. So you're in this era, you see people wearing blue eyeshadow, like, basically up to their eyebrows. Tons of blush, I guess. Yeah. I mean, blush is back. And I guess in a different way, you felt it wasn't flattering. You were looking for makeup. Where did you look for makeup? Where did you get that makeup that you were looking for?
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Victoria Jackson
Well, I worked a lot, too, as a makeup artist. When I was working, I had jobs where I would do a lot of the print campaigns for things. So I worked at the time for abc, where there'd be. Whether it was a new movie coming out or a series, whether it was Dallas or Dynasty or all these shows, you'd see all the heavy makeup. Right. So as a makeup artist, when the stars would come in and I would have to try to recreate their look, it was easy to find that. But I couldn't recreate more of a natural look. So at the time I would go to. It was Columbia Drug, which ultimately it was on Sunset and Gower. And it was just for the trade. Just like there's a store now called Friends. There were certain stores that, to the trade, they just sold these foundations that were more pink and orange. And so I would go there and see what they had, but I couldn't find what I liked. So I literally just mixed up my own foundation in my garage. That's how I started, was by creating something that didn't exist, which now you see in these lines that have, what I think, 70 shades of foundation in the Mac line or something, I just started creating the more neutral, beige, natural. More natural. What I felt natural to the skin tone shades, but it didn't exist. And so that was what the new concept was. And then going to something that was in my garage, and I would have celebrities go, oh, my gosh, whatever you used on me, do you have any more of it? And they were just buying my little concoction out of my garage. That's when I knew I was onto something.
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Jessica Matlin
You started out with the foundation first.
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Victoria Jackson
That was always been my hero product. So when I started out and it was Victoria Jackson, Beauty Basics, and at the time, I still was true to the era because I. I had 10 shades of mascara, and that's where I still had fun. Right. I remember, like, I had blue and red and plum and. Yeah, I had so many. Like, I have my original little display case. And so here I was being really true to this natural foundation, and I'd still have, like, 10 shades of mascara for the person that wants to play, and all the orange and turquoise eyeshadows and things like that.
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Jessica Matlin
So that's funny.
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Victoria Jackson
So I was finding my way. I was finding my way.
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Jessica Matlin
Okay, all right. Well, yeah, you definitely had the start of your brand.
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Victoria Jackson
Yeah.
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Jessica Matlin
But. Okay, eventually. And this is where I discovered you. I certainly didn't discover you in your garage with the, you know, the celebrities, your beta line. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I found you. I was. I don't know, maybe I was like 9 or 10 years old. I used to watch a lot of TV. I watched a lot of TV, Victoria. Okay.
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Victoria Jackson
Yes, we all did.
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Jessica Matlin
Why watch all the infomercials? And I mean, this was really. This was like my hobby. This was my. My recreation. And I watched all the as seen on TV stuff. And I remember seeing your infomercial, and you talked about your makeup, and I was like, mom, mom, we gotta get this. We've gotta get this. You were on the couch with all these beautiful women talking about your line. I was like, this is natural. This is beautiful. This is a whole, whole system. You were one of the first people selling makeup, but not even just makeup. An idea, a philosophy.
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Victoria Jackson
Yeah. Yes.
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Jessica Matlin
Tell us about this. And what was the response? This was crazy.
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Victoria Jackson
Oh, yeah, it was definitely crazy. And even now, if people see me, I go, you may not know me, but your mothers probably do. Right? So your moms probably know me. And bought from the infomercial. I mean, when I sat with a group of guys who were selling other products on tv, they were like, it's never gonna work. Cosmetics. It was one of my students. I was teaching makeup at UCLA and I was teaching an extension course. And she said, there's a group of gu that are selling products through television. You should meet them. And I said, oh, you know what? I have kind of a good idea for how to sell cosmetics on tv, which was really taking my class that I was teaching every quarter and condensing it and putting it together in these color coordinated kits, right? With a three hour DVD that taught you how to do your makeup. Three hours. Amazing. And they were there to say, no, there's no way. Women need to see and touch and feel cosmetics. There's no way you're gonna be able to do that. And bas, I would convince them, if they put their money where my passion was, my talent, I would be able to do this. And it was then creating these color coordinated kits, which was a lot of feedback from what I'd been doing in my classes and seeing what people were responding to or not. And I went through a lot, I will tell you, the transition of going from a makeup artist behind the scenes to all of a sudden now. And as a woman who's always been very insecure, very low self esteem, I didn't wear makeup on my jobs. I was kind of a little mouse in the background. I really had to envision, like, what would a CEO of a cosmetic company look like and sound like and dress like? And I remember, and this is kind of a funny story because it sets up right before I did my first infomercial, when I went to the shoot the day of my very first infomercial, being very insecure and thinking, I'm not ready for prime time. I don't know that I can do this. And I get there and there's a whole group and the photographer who's going to be shooting in film, he looks at me and he goes, you know, Victoria, I have photographed some of the most beautiful women in the world. And I have found there are two types of women. There are women with great beauty, and there are women with great brains. And you are a woman with great brains. And I remember him saying that I was like, oh, my gosh. And like, everybody's around. And I thought, wow, wow, what do I. Huh? And he goes, so we're gonna put you outside, we're gonna put you in a chair outside and get you some air. And everyone's looking at me like, what's her reaction gonna be? And I was like, well, you know what? I just know you're gonna make me look the best that I can look. And it kind of took all of my anxieties and everything that you think is gonna be realized. I was like, wow, did he just call me unattractive? Oh, my gosh. And I just said, I'm gonna go out there and I'm just going to sell my product because I believe in this so much, and I want this to be something that all women respond to and love. I went out there with my very first infomercial, and it did a million dollars a week for the very first week, and it never stopped. Yeah, man. And I say that. I say that to just say that as women, we all face our insecurities and those moments, especially when you're in the beauty business, it can really shine a light on a lot of things and how we just push forward to it. And really, from there, I went on to do 13 years of infomercials and 10 years of QVC. So it worked out.
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Jen Sullivan
What was it in that moment, though? Was it competitive spirit? Because I feel like a lot of people would take that moment and just go crawl in a corner when things happen to your life. I feel like you always choose the positive from reading your books and knowing your story. Like, where does that come from?
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Victoria Jackson
I literally am always in survival mode. You know, I'm sure if you read my early story, from everything from the Pillowcase Rapist to a kind of crazy childhood, I've always been in a survival mode, but in a thrival mode, too, you know, so it's not really competitive. If any time I'm competitive, it's only with myself. I am a supporter of all the amazing women in the business that I'm in now. So I really just decided that sometimes the universe will just shine a light on something that then you go, okay, yeah, all right, I got this. He just said something that I was. I didn't know how or ever was gonna deal with it, but I'm gonna just go and be me.
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Jen Sullivan
Yeah. Failure's not an option here. Moving on.
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Victoria Jackson
No. And you can't really succeed until you fail. Or it had taken me a lot of times before I got that moment. And then you just. Just give it your all. Right.
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Jen Sullivan
Yeah. I'm thinking about, like, you. Of course, you had these huge successes with the makeup. Then you got married, you had kids. We know from your story, one of the things that happens that your daughter got diagnosed again. It feels like One of those situations where you're like, what do you do? Life is throwing something. This is obviously much worse than the guy calling you brains, not beauty. But tell us what happened there and how you handled that situation.
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Victoria Jackson
Well, that was something. You know, you're going along in life, and there's really nothing that can prepare you for news of something that's gonna just come out of, like, what. What's happening. I thought my daughter, she basically. We were on our way somewhere, and she said I had this eyeball headache and that she was starting to lose color. Seeing color.
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Jen Sullivan
She was 14 at the time.
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Victoria Jackson
Yeah. You know, I just thought she, oh, maybe you've got, like an eye infection or something going on. And all of a sudden, cut to. You're going to doctors, and then you're going to, like, now why am I going to a neurologist? And a lot of things are happening rather quickly. And then a doctor's taking blood and checking boxes, and one of the boxes he checked was for something called neuromyelitis optica, which at the time was also known as Devik's disease. And I said, what's that? And he goes, oh, I don't even know why I checked that box. You know, that would just be a nightmare. And then all of a sudden, you know how that goes. You get the results, come back, they tell me she has it. I'm like, well, what is that? And they go, well, she's got four years to live. And as I. I closed the book on makeup and I went into the world of medicine, and I literally walked away from my business, which I had really built up, because at the time, life just gives you. You sort of go, well, I've built this empire. I'm going to build another one. It's going to be about curing disease, autoimmune disease. And did that. And brought a lot, though, which was interesting, is I brought a lot of what I learned and what I know and even product into my life. When I was building, as absurd as this sounds, a blood bank, Right? I had to build a blood bank. Because when you're researching for a lot of people, don't think about that, but if you're doing research, you need to have specimens, samples, things like that, especially in a rare disease. This is not as rare as they think, but I had to build a blood bank. And I would actually ran a campaign called Blush for Blood, because mostly autoimmune disease affects women. And it was like, I'll give you a blush if you give me your blood. I now have over 100,000 samples in a blood bank. I mean, so I've experienced makeovers and beauty on so many different levels in my world, from mascara to medicine.
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Jessica Matlin
Do we know why some autoimmune disease affects women more? Is there an answer for that?
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Victoria Jackson
There really isn't. And you think? I mean, I think there's hormonal, environmental, diet, but yeah, you think of what my daughter has. A lot of people are misdiagnosed with Ms. So the ms, the lupus, rheumatoid arthritis. I mean, I could do a whole podcast just on autoimmune disease. So it's kind of just been an extraordinary journey. And so when I went from all that I've been doing and all in the world of makeup, which I love, and the last 17 years I've been in the world of medicine, I decided because I left so abruptly when that happened, I wanted to get back in and get back to really. I said, I'm only gonna go back in the beauty business if I make the world's best no makeup makeup foundation and go back new and improved clean version. Cause we're in a new day and I'm gonna call it no makeup makeup. And decided, you know, in medicine, everything is a little bit black, white and gray. I missed being, you know, I made over 600 beauty products and I missed. I missed that. I missed color and working in different kind of labs from going to medical labs labs back into makeup labs.
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Paige
This is Paige, the co host of Giggly Squad. I use Uber Eats for everything, and I feel like people forget that you can truly order anything, especially living in New York City. It's why I love it. You can get Chinese food at any time of night. But it's not just for food. I order from CVS all the time. I'm always ordering from the grocery store. If a friend stops over, I have to order champagne. I also have this thing that whenever I travel, if I'm ever in a hotel room, I never feel like I'm missing something because I'll just Uber eats it. The amount of times I've had to Uber eats hair items like hairspray, deodorant, you name it, I've ordered it. On Ubereats, you can get grocery alcohol everyday essentials in addition to restaurants and food you love. So in other words, get almost anything with Uber Eats. Order now for alcohol, you must be legal drinking age. Please enjoy responsibly. Product availability varies by region. See app for details.
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Jen Sullivan
Yeah, you. You make great strides in the medical field, and I encourage people to read your books and learn all about that. But I am thinking like, you went from being CEO of a cosmetics company to starting a medical research foundation, like, connecting doctors all over the world, building a blood bank. I want to ask about imposter Syndro, but I feel like that term has only come up in, like, recent years. First of all, did that feeling ever occur to you in that moment?
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Victoria Jackson
Oh, for sure. I actually was using it to my advantage. I did a act as if fake it till you make it. It was the same thinking. It's, you know, as crazy as it sounds, when I was thinking, like, what would a aspiring CEO look like for cosmetic companies? Like, what would it be like trying to work on? Actually, yeah, sure. Yes. I make lip gloss. I'm gonna cure this disease. And people look at me like, really? But I think there was an authenticity from being on my infomercials, from being myself. I brought to that in the world of medicine and medical research, and they respected me for that. I wasn't trying to be anything else. And yet I've always manifested in my mind. So I don't know how I see the imposter syndrome as being. I'm acting as if faking it till you make it. But yet I'm still being myself, if that makes sense.
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Jessica Matlin
When you say you use the word manifest and that's like a. That's a word that people use a lot. And I love the word. It sounds nice. So we're gonna. Let's say, okay, I'm gonna manifest. I'm gonna manifest that I am a CEO of a huge company in 10 years. That sounds. I Don't know if I actually want to do that. Okay, so maybe that's okay.
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Jen Sullivan
Don't put that out there, Justin.
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Jessica Matlin
Okay. But, like, you know, I'm gonna manifest this huge goal. Okay. Nice, nice, nice. But, like, I remember we had another founder. This was like 5, 10. It was like 10 years ago now. Oh, my God. Like, Charlotte Tilbury came on the podcast, and her whole thing is like, you've gotta see it, believe it, dream it, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, but she's like, you have to believe it. You have to believe it in order for it to be true. Now, if you have some big thing in the future that hasn't come true yet, there's gotta be some sense of, like, kind of quivery doubt in you.
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Victoria Jackson
Oh, for sure.
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Jessica Matlin
Do you know what I mean? So when she was saying, you have to believe it, I was like, well, then this whole thing isn't gonna work. It's on a house of cards. Do you know what I mean?
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Victoria Jackson
I totally know what you mean. For me, I probably have to see it more than believe it. So if I can paint the picture like I envisioned seeing my daughter, well, I visualized she's gonna be. Well, I don't know how I'm gonna get there, but I'm going to see it. I'm going to put that picture in my brain. And there were many times I would be like, I don't know. I'm seeing it, but maybe it's not gonna happen. I don't know if I'm.
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Jessica Matlin
Yeah, that's what I mean. It's like this fear.
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Victoria Jackson
Yeah, of course. Are you kidding? Of course the difference is a lot of people, they just fold. They go down for the count. They don't get up. See, I always get up. I may still not believe it. I may have trouble seeing it, but I keep going, keep going. I just keep on going. And everyone's recipe for is different. That's why the book, the last one I wrote, we all worry now. What? People just want to know, well, how'd you do it? I'm going, well, this is what I do. This is how I zoom out. This is how I get kind of the top of the trees. I try to look down, I try to visualize. This is just what works for me. And I've always put whatever's worked, every single thing along the way. I've written five books. They're all blueprints redefining beauty. The very first beauty book. It's just the ultimate, like, at the time, the how to. Right. Make up your Life was why it all matters. Again, I'm taking people through this journey as I'm living my life through the beauty business. And then saving each other is Allie and I. It's our story. It's my momoir and the power of rare. Again, my momoir is our blueprint of how I actually got drugs made. And then we all worry is really like, how the hell. Or really, how the fuck did I do all of this? Being somebody with as much anxiety and depression and all the other stuff that I deal with all the time. So I'm always trying to help along the way.
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Jessica Matlin
So. Okay, so what I'm taking away from this, first of all, it sounds like we all have a pretty big reading list. Okay. We've got a lot of good stuff. But I love. I think you just clarified something for me. Maybe it was obvious to some of you listening, but it wasn't. To me, the visualization is more important than the truly believing. Cause when people say manifest, I'm like, come on. I don't know. It just feels too big for me. The visualization, the painting, the picture is really beautiful. But, like, the worrying and the anxiety. You've done so much in your life. You've achieved so much. And it's really nice to hear that somebody who's done so much and who's actually made a difference in the lives of other people. Like, you've not just, like, built a company and everything. That's amazing, too, but, like, you've done so much for other people. You've done it with the feeling. It sounds like some days, like, you just feel like, oh, my God, I can't. I've got anxiety. I gotta worry. I can't even get the hell outta bed. You can't. You know, it's like, I don't wanna freaking do this anymore. So do you, like, hang on to a hope, a prayer? Like, do you have a mantra? Do you have anything? Like, what else is there a little something else, a little extra something you can give us?
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Victoria Jackson
Yeah, I mean, I do. I mean, for you, when I was asked, imagine this to go, because I have a really hard time flying due to my early experience with the pillowcase rapist. I'm very, very claustrophobic. So I didn't fly for 37 years.
- [30:11]
Jessica Matlin
Wow.
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Victoria Jackson
Yeah. So I've gotten beyond that because I had to. I mean, I also had to fly to the Mayo Clinic. I lost a lot of opportunities, even one where I was asked by the Vatican to go and receive this award for the Pope for my work around the world in autoimmune disease. First time I was asked, I turned it down. I couldn't get there. I had too much fear and anxiety myself. So it took my friends, and the following year, they asked me, will you please come? And it was my friends that helped me through it. So I surround myself with a very few people that I know when I go, okay, can you help me over this or that are gonna talk to me or help guide me along the way? That helps. I read a lot of different spirituality books, or I'll just open something that I somehow need to hear. It's kind of whatever I find. And sometimes I'll just go, nope, I'm not doing that. But all the amazing things really are on the other side of fear. And it's just a matter of, at what point in your life are you just gonna, you know, fucking do it? It's different for everybody. I missed out on a lot, but I've also now recently been able to push through and do a lot more than I ever thought.
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Jen Sullivan
Yeah. The things that are fearful in your life trump the things I think, you know, an average person would have as a fear. And that's just so. It's kind of your superpower. Like, you got through that. You can. You can get on a plane for the Pope.
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Victoria Jackson
Sure. Exactly. Everything builds on itself. Exactly. Everything builds. Because then you do one thing, and then you go, well, I did that. I can do this.
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Jessica Matlin
And, you know, a thousand percent. Jen, remember you got me on the bicycle a couple weeks ago?
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Jen Sullivan
Yes, you did. You did ride a bike. And she hadn't been on a bike in 30 years.
- [31:57]
Jessica Matlin
Yeah.
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Victoria Jackson
Yeah. Okay. There you go. And how did it feel when you did it? How did it feel when you got off?
- [32:03]
Jessica Matlin
Exhilarating. It was exhilarating. And, yes, it was just a. It was just a bicycle, but still.
- [32:10]
Victoria Jackson
But it's something. But that bicycle was an obstacle in your brain that you just sort of went, okay, I'm ready. I'm ready to get on the bike and go.
- [32:17]
Jessica Matlin
It was kind of shameful, too. It was, like, very shamed that I, like, couldn't ride a bike. But now.
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Jen Sullivan
I didn't shame you. I was.
- [32:23]
Jessica Matlin
No, no, no, you didn't. No, I said I felt shameful.
- [32:25]
Victoria Jackson
You didn't shame me at all.
- [32:26]
Jessica Matlin
I'm shocked.
- [32:26]
Victoria Jackson
You.
- [32:26]
Jen Sullivan
You're a bike rider now.
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Jessica Matlin
Yeah. But it was amazing to have my friend get me on a bike and, like, it was.
- [32:31]
Victoria Jackson
Yeah.
- [32:31]
Jessica Matlin
So I know what you're saying. Yeah.
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Jen Sullivan
We should point out what you did did work your daughter is still with us. Just because I'm good at I want to ask about your beauty company but I don't want people leave people hiding. Very important because they didn't get the books. So the work clearly you put in was beneficial.
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Victoria Jackson
She's doing well and her story in detail is hers to tell. She actually just started. I mean she's so frigging awesome it's crazy. She started an all natural plant based bug spray line called Buzzy. So she's awesome. And she is a lawyer. She goes to La Cordon Bleu to like do pastry cooking. She was head of UC Santa Barbara, President of the student body. Like she's incredible. She's my hero.
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Jessica Matlin
How old is she now?
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Victoria Jackson
She's 32.
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Jen Sullivan
Yeah, and I don't, and I don't mean to skim ahead of all of that. I Know your work continues and everything you set up within the medical field continues and has helped these other people. Let's talk about, though, if we're talking about jumping back in, where you're like, I'm uncomfortable again, jumping back into beauty. 2021, you start a skincare line with Ellen DeGeneres. Then 2024 is when you launched no Makeup Makeup again, right?
- [37:44]
Victoria Jackson
Yes. Yeah, it's just launched. And with Ellen, it was really more creating this line. Guthy Ranker, my husband Bill Guthy. So it's really her line.
- [37:53]
Jen Sullivan
Okay. So that's. We won't count that as your full entry back in.
- [37:57]
Victoria Jackson
I know because I like being back in a lab. But that was really her thing. Their thing.
- [38:02]
Jen Sullivan
Right. So when you. So it was time to work on no Makeup Makeup. You're coming back in. What were your thoughts on the state of the beauty industry in 2024 compared to the last time you had been really in it?
- [38:13]
Victoria Jackson
Oh, my gosh. It was sort of like I'd been asleep for 17 years. I wake up and I'm like, what? This is how people are selling. Wait, what? Tutorials, Instagram influencers. Like, what is.
- [38:25]
Jen Sullivan
But it's not. Not what you did. I was thinking about this, the social selling aspect of being on tv. The CD rom, you just drunk it down. I mean, she had like a six pack of CD ROMs or something, if I remember correctly. I'm like picturing this.
- [38:38]
Victoria Jackson
I mean, I had 30 minutes. But hey, by the way, that's why I'm back on QVC. I went back to QVC. It was like 30 years ago. And it's incredible. I just picked up where I left off. I love it.
- [38:52]
Jessica Matlin
As I was saying, as I was.
- [38:54]
Victoria Jackson
Saying, I've been gone for a minute, but I'm back. But I love it because I was just on this. I told you, I was just in Philadelphia. I sold 10,000 foundations in less than an hour. A few 15 minute segments. It's pretty awesome. Just like infomercials used to get the worst rap, right? Oh, like we were these terrible people selling things. And I'd be like, what? Wait, I don't understand. Like, I have this amazing product. I have 30 minutes to tell my story. People are loving it. At the heyday, like I was selling, I would have 20,000 customers a week. I mean, they'd send, I don't know how much, 20, $30 million on airtime. I mean, what's wrong with a business where you can reach so many people? So I like it. I think it's Great.
- [39:40]
Jessica Matlin
Victoria, what do people want? Like, what are people looking for right now? You said, like, you got all these people tuning in. You had a great success the other day. What do they want?
- [39:49]
Victoria Jackson
I think people want authenticity. They certainly listen. It is always gonna be. Product is king at the end of the day. Your product, you may get them the first time, but they have to love it. So I'm never gonna make something or put my name on it that I feel like it's not great. I love it, I want it. It works. So that's just. I think people want authenticity. I think they want. I do think people love the. We always say wear less so that you can show up more. I have always been. I want women to show up more. I feel they can show up. I want people to show up and feel like they don't have to hide behind makeup or masks or things like that. That's just my message. And if somebody loves putting on lots of makeup and having fun with it, great, great. I'm good for that. I also think whatever makeup makes you happy, of course I want them to wear mine. But if they're happy wearing Lancome or Revlon or whatever it is, and they go out and kick some ass in the world, great. You know, I really do believe that. So I think that they just want authenticity and somebody that's not just necessarily a celebrity or somebody who doesn't believe what they're selling or doesn't care.
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Jessica Matlin
And can I say something else? Okay, you mentioned 30 minutes. All right. I actually. Oh, my God. I wonder if my good friend Petey is listening to this. I'm gonna tell her she's not. Okay. So I used to, like leave the QVC or hsn, either one of them on all the time. Just when I was chilling out in college. Sometimes I go to sleep to it. Sometimes I would just leave it on. Cause I found it very soothing, right. Just to have somebody talking for like 30 minutes. And the beauty especially. I don't mind 30 minutes of talking about the same thing. It really gets in your brain with something like as we're talking about social, that's fine too. It serves a different purpose. But I think we're missing that nice 30 minute chunk devoted to a single product.
- [41:42]
Victoria Jackson
Yeah, well, you get to tell a story, right?
- [41:46]
Jessica Matlin
So I wonder. I know, obviously it already exists. Like, you know, there's a reason why you're going on it, but like, I wonder if we're gonna see more of a shift to brands playing in that space because you don't get enough time. If you're like, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba. Like, you can't tell that story. That's why brands want to come on fat mascara. So they could talk for 40 freaking minutes about their brand.
- [42:07]
Victoria Jackson
Well, the thing is, like, obviously on QVC or when I was doing my infomercials, I became known for the half faces. So I could. Here's the side without makeup. Here's what. And you see? And just like now when I go on qvc, they can show like one little tap swirl of the thing and you're like, oh, wow. And then I can show the brush and go, there's like nothing on there. See how it works? So you're showing it, you're being very real and you get to show it on different pieces. You need time to be able to do that. And like I said, I love the direct to consumer. I like talking straight to who's at home. I just enjoy that. I think ultimately when I. I sell the company, when that point comes, they can go more to retail and do all the amazing retail stores that are out there.
- [42:56]
Jen Sullivan
Do you picture someone when you're on qvc? Are you picturing someone out there listening?
- [43:02]
Victoria Jackson
Yeah, I'm always picturing different people.
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Jen Sullivan
What are they like?
- [43:05]
Victoria Jackson
You know what, they're always looking. They're at different ages. I think probably qvc. You always think, oh, it's probably gonna skew a little bit older. I mean, I'm turning in four months, I'm turning 70. And I always think, is there a they 70 out there, 60? I mean, I really wish there were a lot more young people that were on qvc. There probably isn't. I think there's a lot of. When I go there, I actually will start watching some of the segments before me or after me, and I'm going, oh, that looks kind of cool. Or, wow, that's a great price. I'm going to buy that. Or, you know, things they probably don't even know that are out there. So, yeah.
- [43:42]
Jen Sullivan
Can we talk about your product for a second? How is no makeup makeup different this time around?
- [43:47]
Victoria Jackson
Well, it's clean. It's a clean version. So there are ingredients that are not in there that were in in the first time. It's still a cream balm. So it's very sheer. So it's probably a little bit more sheer than even last time. The shades, I have 13 shades now. I think before I had probably 12. So there's 13. And it's just because you really want to make sure that you can Save vegan and gluten free and soy free and nut free and. And hormone disruption, you know, and all that. And I really have to say I have my co. Founder and formulator who I've been working with, Kim Weilman. She's probably the best in a lab.
- [44:26]
Jen Sullivan
I met Kim at your event. She knows her stuff.
- [44:29]
Victoria Jackson
Oh, my God. So I really can't take credit for all that. I can be the one at the end when she's really in the trenches. I can go, no, I don't like this payoff. Or. Yeah, okay. Or. I mean, we went back and forth on formula submissions for probably two years before I went. Nailed it. Got it. And then the brush. The brush that. I wanted to make sure that, like, the brush was gonna be really fantastic to go with the product. So. And I've got. I mean, I'm not ready to talk about it yet, but I've got some very new things coming out that will be toward the end of the year.
- [45:02]
Jessica Matlin
Well, we saw the product on the no makeup makeup on Meghan Markle's favorite beauty item.
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Victoria Jackson
Yes. And she is a friend. She is really family, actually, for me. And it looks amazing on her. I mean, she's beautiful. But on all my friends when they're wearing it. I mean, honestly. Have you guys tried it? You tried it then?
- [45:24]
Jessica Matlin
I've not tried it.
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Jen Sullivan
Oh, you haven't?
- [45:27]
Jessica Matlin
I need to resent it. What do you mean? Meghan Markle's family to you.
- [45:30]
Victoria Jackson
She is. She's a friend. She's a very dear friend.
- [45:32]
Jessica Matlin
So she always has that no makeup makeup look going on. She looks gorgeous.
- [45:36]
Victoria Jackson
She looks beautiful.
- [45:37]
Jessica Matlin
Amazing.
- [45:37]
Victoria Jackson
Yeah.
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Jen Sullivan
Is that Northern Cali crew? No, it's not Northern California. You're Southern California, aren't you?
- [45:42]
Victoria Jackson
I'm Southern, yeah. And you guys probably don't even know, on top of all of it, that I opened up the biggest, hottest bookstore in Summerlin right near Montecito called Godmothers. So I know, like, it's just in.
- [45:54]
Jen Sullivan
My free time, gonna open a bookstore. Wait a second.
- [45:58]
Jessica Matlin
Is that what's behind you?
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Victoria Jackson
No, no, I'm here at my house. No, no, it's in Summerlin. It's an amazing store. If you should look, follow godmother that have come and spoken there.
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Jen Sullivan
Do you only do female authors?
- [46:14]
Victoria Jackson
No, we do everybody there.
- [46:16]
Jen Sullivan
So Harry can have a book signing there. You know.
- [46:20]
Jessica Matlin
I thought she said it was a flower shop. Okay.
- [46:22]
Victoria Jackson
No books, no bookstore. No. Harry and Megan came and Oprah gave the wonderful name to the bookstore. So, yeah, Godmother says its Own thing in itself. So, see, I go from the makeup to the medicine. I a bookstore. And I have an amazing partner.
- [46:39]
Jen Sullivan
We need M word for books.
- [46:40]
Victoria Jackson
Yes, I know. Jennifer Rudolph Walsh. He's run. Do you know who she is? Yes, she's incredible. So she's my partner there. So. Yeah, there's a lot of sleep.
- [46:51]
Jessica Matlin
I know.
- [46:51]
Victoria Jackson
I don't sleep.
- [46:53]
Jessica Matlin
Okay, well, that's the key.
- [46:54]
Victoria Jackson
That is. That's the thing. I don't sleep. I have, like, a few sleep issues.
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Jen Sullivan
Victoria, before we do our speed round of questions. We do. At the end, I did have to ask you what your beauty routine is like these days. I am sure no makeup. Makeup is part of it. Is that all of it? What else are we wearing? Are we doing the QVC family? Do Oprah and Megan tell you what to use?
- [47:13]
Victoria Jackson
Yeah, no, I pretty much go my own way. I mean, you're talking about somebody who uses, like soap and water on their face. So I use my no makeup makeup. And because I'm coming out with a new blush and lip duo, when I'm in new product development, I'm always wearing whatever ultimately will become the new shade.
- [47:32]
Jen Sullivan
You wash your face with soap? Like straight up soap or like a cleansing bar?
- [47:36]
Victoria Jackson
You know what? It just depends. I'm telling you, people go, what's your routine right now? I do. Because I obviously worked on kind science. I like the kind science.
- [47:45]
Jen Sullivan
Okay.
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Victoria Jackson
So I mix it up all the time.
- [47:48]
Jen Sullivan
All right, what about hair? Any hair favorites? She can't be this low maintenance. I guess she's saving the world. It's fine.
- [47:54]
Victoria Jackson
Hair extensions are my hair favorite.
- [47:57]
Jen Sullivan
You outsource the hair to it?
- [47:59]
Victoria Jackson
I outsource the hair.
- [48:00]
Jen Sullivan
She's a busy woman. Hair has to be somebody else's.
- [48:03]
Victoria Jackson
I gotta, like, I get up in the morning, I gotta go. Honestly, if you even read make up youp Life, I did the 2 minute, 5 minute, 10 minute makeover. I mean, this is going way back. So I've always been like, you know what will kill our souls? Too much mirror time and magnification. So we've got, like, you know, love that.
- [48:24]
Jen Sullivan
That's what Bobby Brown says. Like throw. Or was it Laura Geller? Someone on her podcast.
- [48:28]
Jessica Matlin
It was Trish McAvoy.
- [48:29]
Jen Sullivan
Oh, it was Trish McAvoy. Throw out the magnifying glue.
- [48:31]
Jessica Matlin
Remember?
- [48:31]
Jen Sullivan
Yes.
- [48:32]
Jessica Matlin
No, no, it was either Trish or Laura. I feel badly it was one of them. But very wise. All right, we're gonna speed round Fat Mascara five. Okay, just quick, quick, quick, lightning round. Okay, what's the first Makeup product you ever fell in love with.
- [48:44]
Victoria Jackson
Oh, my gosh. It was Jean Shrimpton, you know, in the days of Twiggy. And it was the Yardley black eyeliner.
- [48:53]
Jessica Matlin
Oh, okay.
- [48:55]
Victoria Jackson
You have to look that up.
- [48:57]
Jen Sullivan
I will. I know Yardley soaps, but I didn't know.
- [48:59]
Victoria Jackson
Yeah, this was their Yardley black eyeliner. And it had the little. The little brush, and you would use it, wet it, and, like, I'd say that. And Mary Quant. It was like the British. It was the sort of the cool biba. Mary Quant Yardley. I don't know. Yeah.
- [49:16]
Jessica Matlin
What's the last note you wrote to yourself on your Notes apparently app?
- [49:20]
Victoria Jackson
Well, I don't know how to use my notes app, so. But. So I'm technically not very savvy at all. The last note that I wrote is.
- [49:29]
Jen Sullivan
Where do you keep your. Yeah, like, how do you keep track of stuff?
- [49:32]
Victoria Jackson
I do, like, journals. I usually. I think I wrote something like, let it grow instead of let it go. It's like, let it grow, let it do it, then see where it goes. I'm always writing something to myself, like, what are you watering today?
- [49:46]
Jessica Matlin
Ooh, I like that.
- [49:48]
Jen Sullivan
There's our mantra. Jess, you wanted a mantra. There you go. What are you watering today?
- [49:52]
Victoria Jackson
And I can't take credit for that, but I was on Jay Shetty's podcast, and I had seen something he read and he talks about, are you watering the seeds or the weeds? And I really like it, so I always go. So to me, it's like, what are you watering today, Victoria? Are you gonna water the seeds? Are you gonna water the weeds? What are you gonna do?
- [50:14]
Jen Sullivan
No wonder that guy's got a podcast.
- [50:16]
Victoria Jackson
He's good. He's very good.
- [50:18]
Jessica Matlin
Why do we have one?
- [50:19]
Jen Sullivan
No, but Jay Shetty's like, you know, like the self help guru.
- [50:22]
Victoria Jackson
I don't know.
- [50:23]
Jen Sullivan
That's a good one.
- [50:24]
Jessica Matlin
That is good. Ooh, that's gonna go on a. Post it for me.
- [50:27]
Victoria Jackson
Yeah. So think about what you're watering every day.
- [50:31]
Jessica Matlin
Oh, my God. I'm putting Miracle Gro on my weeds. What's your favorite snack?
- [50:38]
Victoria Jackson
I love candy. I'm a sugar addict. I love candy. So any chewy, gooey candy?
- [50:44]
Jessica Matlin
Yeah, I like it.
- [50:47]
Jen Sullivan
Okay.
- [50:48]
Jessica Matlin
What would you be doing at 11am on your day off?
- [50:52]
Victoria Jackson
At 11am on my day. Gosh, it's been so long. On my day, I would go get a massage. I would go walk around. I'm lucky. I have a beautiful ranch. I would go walk around the ranch.
- [51:06]
Jen Sullivan
Do we have animals who are you going to go visit?
- [51:08]
Victoria Jackson
Are there horses? I have horses. I have animals, and I have 20,000 avocado trees. So I might be just eating guacamole.
- [51:16]
Jen Sullivan
Can we come to the ranch?
- [51:17]
Victoria Jackson
Yes, please.
- [51:18]
Jen Sullivan
Tess really needs a horse moment. We were just in South Carolina, but we didn't get to see the horses, but we wanted to.
- [51:23]
Victoria Jackson
Okay, yeah, come. Yeah, come pet your horses.
- [51:26]
Jessica Matlin
Fat mascara field trip. Fat mascara field trip.
- [51:28]
Victoria Jackson
And then to the bookstore in Summerland. Devil horse.
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Jen Sullivan
I mean, that sounds like heaven.
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Victoria Jackson
Horses and books. Come on.
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Jen Sullivan
A little makeup on the side.
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Victoria Jackson
Yeah, yeah. And then.
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Jessica Matlin
And then a tutorial. Half face.
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Victoria Jackson
Yeah.
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Jessica Matlin
Yes. You don't even have to finish the other face. It's fine.
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Victoria Jackson
By the way, let me just say, in paying my dues as a makeup artist, there was a makeup artist who did the Merrill lynch bowl, if you ever saw those commercials. And I would have to spray the old bowl that they used to go through the china shop that had the bald patches.
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Jen Sullivan
The bull, the animal you put makeup on.
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Victoria Jackson
Oh, yeah.
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Jen Sullivan
Spray the bull in the china shop.
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Victoria Jackson
Yes, yes.
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Jen Sullivan
Pre cgi, everyone. Pre cgi.
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Victoria Jackson
So, you know, I've done it all.
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Jen Sullivan
That is skill. That seems scary.
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Jessica Matlin
Anyway, all right, last one, last question. Okay, You've written multiple books about your life and self help and advice for women. What's the best advice you've ever been given and who gave it to you?
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Victoria Jackson
My mother. And she just said very early on she wasn't one to suffer fools and she'd go, just wash your face. Go put some makeup on and just get out there. And that was like, there you go. I washed my face with my little soap and I put on my makeup and I just go out there and do it. So I guess it stuck with me.
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Jen Sullivan
Good advice. Good advice. Victoria, thank you so much for coming on the podcast.
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Victoria Jackson
Thank you guys very much.
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Jessica Matlin
We hope you enjoyed the show.
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Jen Sullivan
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Jessica Matlin
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Jen Sullivan
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Jessica Matlin
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