Makeup Artist Kristofer Buckle on the best 40-plus makeup tips, his genius deep plane facelift, the best Instagram beauty products, and more

Summary

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Fat Mascara Podcast Summary

Episode Title: Makeup Artist Kristofer Buckle on the Best 40-Plus Makeup Tips, His Genius Deep Plane Facelift, the Best Instagram Beauty Products, and More
Host: Jessica Matlin
Guest: Kristofer Buckle (Celebrity Makeup Artist)
Release Date: May 20, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively and candid episode, veteran beauty journalist Jessica Matlin sits down with beloved makeup artist Kristofer Buckle. A longstanding friend of Fat Mascara, Kristofer shares his signature approach to beauty, essential tips for mature makeup, the honest truth about his recent deep plane facelift, and a roundup of the best beauty products he's discovered on Instagram. The conversation also veers into nostalgia for 1990s New York City nightlife and a reflection on simplicity and authenticity—both in life and in beauty.

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Main Discussion Points & Insights

Kristofer's Return & Life Update

[01:32–08:51]

• Kristofer is a recurring guest with a reputation for humor, warmth, and generosity.
• He recently relocated from Manhattan (Broome St. loft) back to Long Island, seeking more space, proximity to family, and to recalibrate after the pandemic.
• Home décor is a passion—his aesthetic is theatrical, gothic, and deeply romantic, created through a mix of antique finds, DIY paint jobs, and curated treasures from HomeGoods and online sources.

Quote:
"My aesthetic. This house is really my aesthetic. It's taken me a few years... very saturated color, lots of gold leaf, and it's quite something. It's very theatrical."
— Kristofer Buckle [05:38]

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Celebrity Clients & Recent Work

[08:51–10:47]

• Kristofer continues to work closely with celebrity clients like Mariah Carey (noted for not celebrating birthdays—she marks "anniversaries of life" instead), Blake Lively, and Lindsay Lohan (whom he credits for her recent stunning looks).
• He details prepping Blake Lively for the Met Gala, planning a pastel, watercolor-inspired makeup look to suit her archival Versace gown, only for Blake to request simplicity in the final hour.

Quote:
"She just wanted to kind of—to just be comfortable and feel pretty."
— Kristofer Buckle on Blake Lively's Met Gala look [09:48]

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Kristofer's Deep Plane Facelift

[11:00–14:28]

• Kristofer candidly explains undergoing a "deep plane" facelift, neck lift, brow lift, upper blepharoplasty, and chin implant with Dr. David Rosenberg.
• He discusses motivation ("it’s not about looking younger, it’s just wanting everything ‘pleasing to the eye’"), the importance of small surgical tweaks before "it's completely a disaster," and the refreshing results which have given him a "second chance at something I took for granted."

Quote:
"Now I can appreciate it because I was so busy and just living life and working and climbing and doing all those things that now I can just enjoy the fact that my skin's a bit tighter."
— Kristofer Buckle [12:44]

• Shares humorous anecdotes about confronting his own reflection post-facelift using the "true mirror" (which displays your face non-reversed), describing the comedic shock at his own asymmetry.

Quote:
"After looking in this true mirror, I honestly was like, I should be in a bell tower pulling a rope. It was disappointing. I have been delusional in my mind."
— Kristofer Buckle [16:19]

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The Realities of Fame & Fan Interactions

[17:01–18:46]

• Kristofer reflects on his long-term partnership with Mariah Carey (almost 30 years—though "no numbers!" for Mariah), and his role as a beloved fixture among Mariah’s fans.

Quote:
"I'm a bridge to Mariah in a way, for the fans... but if she's in the room, they'll step on my neck to get to her."
— Kristofer Buckle [17:40]

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Kristofer's Makeup Philosophy & Meticulous Technique

[18:46–25:57]

• Kristofer is known for his "meticulous" makeup style—every detail matters.
• Efficient but detailed: while he prefers having 45 minutes to work, he can produce full glam in as little as 20 minutes if pressed (e.g., for Mariah’s stage appearances).
• Imparts crucial advice for polished makeup: rather than rote-following steps, analyze your own features closely, address issues with mindful corrections, and avoid theatrical excess unless deliberately desired.

Quote:
"You have to look in the mirror and see where the darkness is, where the shadows are, which eyebrow is maybe higher than the other. Really look at each feature individually and see what is really needed."
— Kristofer Buckle [23:29]

• Small detail that makes a difference: using a tight liner or wedge brush to bridge shadow into the lash line, filling the gaps for a clean look.

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Essential 40-Plus Makeup Tips

[27:45–30:22]

• Comprehensive advice for enhancing mature faces:
  • Concealer: Don’t fear it; just choose creamy, non-dry formulas and use color-correcting shades to neutralize darkness.
  • Cream Blush: Revives vibrancy and is easier to blend seamlessly.
  • Brows: Darker, fuller brows (via tinting and lamination) lend a youthful effect.
  • Tightlining: Apply liner only on the upper lash line, avoiding the lower for a lifted effect.
  • Lips: Overline the center of the lips to address widening between nose and lip as we age, but avoid exaggerated shapes ("avoid the Lucille Ball theatrical lip").

Quote:
"To me, I always look at it—healthy looking, really vibrant and healthy. And that will always go with youth."
— Kristofer Buckle [28:08]

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Best Beauty Products & Instagram Finds

[30:22–33:08]

• IT Cosmetics Do-It-All Palettes: Moisturizing cream blush and contour shades.
• Eighth Day Skin Care: Especially loves their acid toner for "baby skin" glow after a few days.
• May Lindstrom: Lauds her line for nourishing face oils, perfect for overnight treatment.
• Instagram-Famous Slop Mask: Enthuses about a pink clear peel-off mask that seals in skincare overnight, making skin "like an embryo" by morning.
  • Also mentions the practical challenge of those overnight masks that "take four hours to dry"—prefers one that dries quickly.

Quote:
"Use fluffy brushes and just slam it on, and it's like, really quick and easy, and the texture is really beautiful. It's moisturizing."
— Kristofer Buckle on IT Cosmetics pots [30:23]

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Nostalgia for ‘90s NYC: Nightlife, Fashion, and Authenticity

[33:52–39:37]

• Reflects on New York nightlife from the mid-80s to 90s, working at iconic clubs (Webster Hall, Limelight, Palladium).
• Describes the era as the last authentic fashion and culture boom before digital distractions, with organic trendsetting, emotional investment, and true street style.
• Notes the current "longing for nightlife" and spontaneous interactions, contrasting with phone-heavy club culture today.
• Recent experience at a Twilo reunion club night, with older crowds still hungry for the old-school club feeling.

Quote:
"I think that there's a romance and a longing for that [era]... You were invested in the moment. You were invested where you were sitting, eating, and with who you were eating with, because there was only that."
— Kristofer Buckle [36:17]

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The Fat Mascara 5: Lightning Round

[41:42–47:52]

• Dream Collabs: Would duet with Mariah Carey on “Thank God I Found You” (though questions his ability to sing it).
• Embarrassing Obsession: Frequently replays John Denver’s “Sunshine on My Shoulders” for its tender, honest optimism; also loves “Forever Young” by Alphaville.
• Lo-Fi Habits: Keeps a physical “week-at-a-glance” calendar; believes writing reinforces memory better than digital alone.
• Simple Joys: On rare free Saturdays, describes himself as basic: painting, baking, gardening, and sharing meals with friends is his ideal.

Quote:
"I really like to do the most simple things... I think that's the balance to the extreme opposite of what I do for a living, which is a lot of artifice and a lot of illusion and a lot of smiling through tiredness and playing the game of business."
— Kristofer Buckle [46:53]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Blunt Blush Advice:
  “Without blush, you look like a thumb.”
  [Jessica, paraphrasing Kristofer’s past advice, 01:32]
• On Facelifts:
  "If I'm going to do it, let's maintain youth and just have to grab a little bit back than have to really rein it in, and then you're never going to find what it was originally again, quite the same way."
  — Kristofer Buckle [13:47]
• On Makeup Meticulousness:
  “There are many details, and the more perfect you can make each detail collectively, you're going to be as meticulous as possible.”
  — Kristofer Buckle [19:18]

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Timelines & Timestamps

| Segment | Time | |----------------------------|-------------| | Kristofer’s Introduction & Home Décor | 01:32–08:17 | | Move to Long Island & Family | 04:14–05:29 | | Celebrity Clients & Met Gala | 08:51–10:47 | | Deep Plane Facelift Story | 11:00–14:28 | | "True Mirror" Anecdote | 15:00–16:50 | | On Working with Mariah Carey & Fan Interactions | 17:01–18:46 | | Kristofer’s Makeup Philosophy | 18:46–25:57 | | 40-Plus Makeup Tips | 27:45–30:22 | | Best Products & Instagram Finds | 30:22–33:08 | | NY 90s Nightlife & Nostalgia | 33:52–39:37 | | Fat Mascara Five | 41:42–47:52 |

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Tone & Style

• Warm, witty banter with honest, self-deprecating humor
• Kristofer is frank yet never mean-spirited, offering technical expertise without artistry snobbery
• Jessica acts as a knowledgeable, enthusiastic guide, drawing out practical advice and entertaining stories

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Takeaway Tips

• Meticulousness in Makeup: Focus on precise corrections where needed rather than generalized steps
• For Mature Skin: Cream products, lifted brows, upper lash lining, subtle lip augmentation, and sticking with complexion-enhancing products are key
• Don’t Underestimate a Good Blush!
• Embrace Simplicity: In both makeup and life, simple routines and genuine joy make the most lasting impact

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Useful For

• Listeners over 35/40 seeking actionable, professional makeup tips
• Fans of celebrity beauty, especially Mariah Carey and Blake Lively
• Anyone nostalgic for 80s/90s NYC style and nightlife
• Beauty lovers looking for honest takes on cosmetic procedures and the real psychology of self-image

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Transcript

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[Christopher Buckle]

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[Jessica]

It is Christopher Buckle day. Welcome. Welcome to Fat Mascara. Okay, if you've listened to Fat Mascara for the past 10 years, you know that Christopher Buckle has a very special place in fat mascara canon. He is our 3.5, 2.5 as of today, 3.5 timer. He was on for two full episodes and then he made a cameo on our five year anniversary or something. I don't know. He dropped into this dude. Okay, why have we had this man on so much? Okay. We don't really have a lot of repeat guests. Cause he is hysterical. Hysterical. And he also has a heart of gold. I find him to be so delightful, but also very generous with his information. If you don't know who he. I feel like. Did I say he's makeup artist? I don't know. I'm just like, just so excited that he's come back in the studio. He is a makeup artist for Mariah Carey. Is his like star client. They are. They are together. If you say Mariah, Christopher Buckle's often uttered in the same sentence. If we're talking about beauty. Deeply loyal to Mariah. He's worked with her for a long time. He'll tell you more about that. Also works with Blake Lively. Also works with Lindsay Lohan. She's looking incredible. Obviously, she has a whole team, but her makeup is stunning lately. That's Christopher. Works with Kelly Ripa. He has such a singular point of view with makeup. It is always done. It is fresh. It is perfect. It is glamorous. It is very fierce. It is. But it's not too much. It's mm. Mm. And when I look in the mirror and I get ready, I've always had something he says in the back of my mind over my shoulder, without blush, you look like a thumb. So I've been banging on that brush. I've been banging on that blush since he said that. He changed my whole point before this whole blush craze, blush blindness, all of that for, like, the past eight years or so, maybe more. I have been going hard on my blush ever since then. Too much is never enough. So enough of me. Let's get Chris into the virtual Stude.

[Christopher Buckle]

I need a witchy vibe. Like, I. I can't. Okay. Also, these things look terrible.

[Jessica]

You know, there's nothing we can do about them.

[Christopher Buckle]

They're just stupid.

[Jessica]

They don't go with your aesthetic.

[Christopher Buckle]

No. There's not a white thing in this house other than me. It's like, no.

[Jessica]

All right, okay. So, Christopher, I thought I just jammed out of Soho to get home to record with you. And I was like, oh, maybe I should just pop by Christopher's and record the podcast there. Somehow I didn't know you moved to Long Island. You went home.

[Christopher Buckle]

I moved to Long Island. I'm back here. I was in on Broome street for years, and I had this huge loft with 20 foot ceilings, and it was very grand. And I was like, during the pandemic shutdown, I was like, why do I work so much? Why do I work so hard? I'm like, oh, I have a mortgage on a $2.2 million home. I have to work, and I don't even use this space. It's like, what am I doing?

[Jessica]

Never home. You were never home.

[Christopher Buckle]

I. I'm not throwing parties. And so I was like, you know what? The city has changed so much. Also, it's not what it used to be. All the reasons why I moved there don't really exist anymore. So I was like, you know what? I'm going to spend half the amount of money every month and have more. So that's what I did.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Christopher Buckle]

So here I am. I'm close to friends and Family.

[Jessica]

And you're. And you're very close to your family, right? You're very close with your sister, your mom. Right. I must be so happy to have you back.

[Christopher Buckle]

They're 20 minutes away and yeah, they're happy. Yeah, it's good.

[Jessica]

And you brought all of your accoutrements because I was like, oh, he's home in his cave. You know, it looks like Interview with the Vampire back there.

[Christopher Buckle]

This is my living room. Part of it anyway. But it's. Yeah, my aesthetic. This house is really my aesthetic. It's taken me a few years. I'm just finishing up on another bedroom. But it's very saturated color, lots of gold leaf, and it's quite something. It's very theatrical.

[Jessica]

It's romantic. It's really romantic.

[Christopher Buckle]

Well, I would say, yeah, it's like an old school vibe, but it's definitely has gothic overtones, but it's all very deep, rich, beautiful colors in each room.

[Jessica]

So, yeah, you know, I dabble in home. Where do you get. You can't tell from my background with my Barbie Dream House and tchotchkes, but where do you get a lot of your stuff?

[Christopher Buckle]

Oh, well, you know, I have antiques, things and stuff like that, and secondhand stuff that I buy. But I gotta tell you, if you really scour the Internet and you like, I bought beds from the 1800s from Cherry, that, that website, and it's all secondhand furniture and you can get great deals. I go on Amazon and I find things, but then I'll repaint them. If they're a good design, I'll repaint them, gold leaf them and kind of upgrade them. But I also go to Home Goods. Christian Siriano's Halloween collection. Martha Stewart Halloween collection.

[Jessica]

Wait, they do private label for home goods?

[Christopher Buckle]

No, I think that they're just liquidating whatever didn't sell that season or whatever. But they're really great quality things from both of them. And I will find these gorgeous. They're not like hokey Halloween things. They're like gothic mirrors and with bats integrated into the frame and stuff in a very cool set designer kind of way.

[Jessica]

This is the second name check of HomeGoods on fat mascara in like a month and a half.

[Christopher Buckle]

You gotta be consistent and you've gotta just go. And you just have to keep scouring and looking. And then all of a sudden, there you go, you got a winner.

[Jessica]

You know who also has really good home stuff that's like in like the gothic vein? Anthropology. They're doing a lot of good stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Baz Luhrmann's wife.

[Christopher Buckle]

Mm. She's sweetie pie.

[Jessica]

Yeah. She did a collection for anthropology. I don't know if it's still there.

[Christopher Buckle]

Oh, I'm gonna have to look at that.

[Jessica]

Katherine Martin.

[Christopher Buckle]

Martin.

[Jessica]

Yes.

[Christopher Buckle]

I'm gonna have to look at that.

[Jessica]

I'll send you some information after. So you're back in Long Island. Last time we had you on the show, you are a triple 2.5 fmer. You came on for, like, a little, like, a T. Yes. We've had you on for two interviews before. People have requested you back on the show so much because you give such great information.

[Christopher Buckle]

I love that. I love that.

[Jessica]

I listened to the last episode with you, so I didn't repeat anything. As if anyone's gonna remember. Six years. But I'm listening to the episode. I'm like, it has been six years since I spoke to you. Wow. And it was. I know you were in your airy apartment in the city and you were hunkered down. We were, like, talking about the pandemic and toilet paper and all this stuff. It was toilet paper hoarding and all this stuff. But since then, so much has happened. I would say, what have you been up to? But what's been going on lately? What have you been doing? You moved to Long Island.

[Christopher Buckle]

Okay. So moved to Long Island. I've been decorating gold leafing. I do everything pretty much myself. So it's been a lot of work. But work wise, yeah. I mean, I've been working with Mariah, of course, and I just came back from Orlando because we were celebrating her children's 15th birthday. And then just before that, we were in Anguilla.

[Jessica]

They're twins, right?

[Christopher Buckle]

They're twins. Rock and roll. And then before that, we were celebrating Mariah's anniversary because she doesn't celebrate birthdays.

[Jessica]

She doesn't celebrate birthdays.

[Christopher Buckle]

No. She celebrates her anniversary of life.

[Jessica]

Oh.

[Christopher Buckle]

Time is something that we don't acknowledge.

[Jessica]

Okay.

[Christopher Buckle]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

So anniversary of life. Okay.

[Christopher Buckle]

Yeah. And so I did that, and then the Met Ball just happened. And I did Blake for that.

[Jessica]

She looked very ethereal. She had all of my favorite colors going on. The pinks, the lavenders, the peachy colors. Butterfly colors. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Christopher Buckle]

It was a very sorbet kind of a world. And that was a Versace. An older piece, I think, archival piece of Versace. Yeah, it was beautiful. And I just kept the makeup very kind of simple, really, because she just wanted to kind of. She wanted to just be comfortable and feel pretty.

[Jessica]

Do you guys know what you're gonna do before you're going in? Like, are there calls and face charts and all of that, or is it just you show up that afternoon and rock and roll?

[Christopher Buckle]

A few weeks before, she sent me photographs of the dress, and I gave it some thought, and I was gonna. I was going into it thinking I was going to do a very opaque pastel cloud of colors, like a wash across the eyes, very watercolory of the lavenders, buttery colors, and those peachy tones, and then, like, just merge it right into the blush and do this whole, like, dreamy kind of a thing. Because the. Because the Met Ball is a good place for that kind of a thing. But she was like, just, let's do our thing. Just keep it simple.

[Jessica]

Keep it pretty. Okay, I get it. And then let's talk about you for a little bit. In the past year, you've been public about this, you also had a little bit of a makeover, a little refresher.

[Christopher Buckle]

It's called a facelift. I got a deep plane.

[Jessica]

It's good to see her blinking.

[Christopher Buckle]

Oh, I can blink at least. Yes.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Christopher Buckle]

Something else moves every time I blink. It's weird. No, I had a deep plane, neck lift, lower facelift. I had a brow lift and upper bleph and a chin implant and a full monty. Oh, my God.

[Jessica]

Did you need a chin implant or did he do that? Because he did all this other stuff. Like, was it to rebalance?

[Christopher Buckle]

Dr. David Rosenberg did my surgeries. And when we were talking about everything, I was like, and what do you think about a chin implant? Because I've always felt like I could be a relative to Kermit the Frog. There was just a lack of profile. There was something muppety about my lower face. And he goes, no, that would be good. It would increase the projection you suggested.

[Jessica]

And he was like, yeah, sure. He tacked it off like a waitress.

[Christopher Buckle]

He's like, well, do you want to consult Miss Piggy before you make these decisions? No. But it was. He's really masterful, and he. The work that he does in Hollywood. He works in New York, but he works on many Hollywood people. You would not know that they've done anything. They just look amazing. He does great work, and I don't have scars, and my recovery was so fast, and it was not painful, and it was just amazing. It was such a great experience, and I kind of feel like I have, like, a second chance at something I took for granted.

[Jessica]

Well, what did you take for granted? What do you mean by that?

[Christopher Buckle]

Well, I always. People like oh, you're handsome. You're handsome. And I believed them. And then time went on. I was like, oh, wait a minute. It went away. It went away. I could see evidence of this kind of escaping me. And then I started talking about surgery. And then after I got it, I realized I'm like, oh, you know what? Now I can appreciate it because I was so busy and just living life and working and climbing and doing all those things that now I can just enjoy the fact that my skin's a bit tighter and my skin on my neck isn't pooling on my shoulders. Because I was like, do I need a circumcision on my neck? I need a moil, not a surgeon.

[Jessica]

I guess it's. You know when people say youth is wasted on the young? Is that you mean a little bit like you didn't realize sort of how good you look? You were working on your career and you were working on. Not that you're staring in the mirror every day looking. Look at how gorgeous I look. But you're sort of taking a moment for yourself.

[Christopher Buckle]

Well, yeah, definitely. And it just. I was kind of like, let's do this. Like, I'm 57. So, like, I did it when I was 56. It's almost a year since I've done it. So I was kind of like, if I'm going to do it, let's maintain youth and just have to grab a little bit back then have to really rein it in, and then you're never going to find what it was originally again, quite the same way. So it's better to do these things before it's like, completely a disaster.

[Jessica]

Do you feel that I'm saying we. That was like a subconscious thing. Do you get thip. Like, pictures? We, the royal. We have to look young in beauty.

[Christopher Buckle]

No, because you know what? I gotta tell you something. I wasn't worried about looking younger because I feel like I looked youthful for my age anyway, earlier than my years. But to me, it's not about looking younger because I tell everyone how old I am anyway. It's about everything just being pleasing to the eye. I don't want to look younger, but I also don't want skin hanging or draping or getting in the way of

[Jessica]

the way you say it. So still appetizing hanging.

[Christopher Buckle]

But that. Because that's how we talk to ourselves. No matter what we say publicly, when you look in the mirror, you're like, oh, this thing and that. So I just keep it real with that stuff. You know what I mean? But speaking of looking at yourself in the mirror. I saw this ad because I'm such a sucker for every little ad on Instagram and stuff, I see this ad for the real mirror or the real. Yeah, I think it's called the true mirror. It's called the true mirror. And so it's a mirror that. Because traditionally. Traditionally, when you look in a mirror, it flips. It flips the image so you're not really. So this mirror flips it back so that you are seeing yourself the way other people see you. And they have. I don't need that now. They have videos of people looking in this mirror for the first time and seeing themselves truly for the first time and having these spiritual, emotional moments. And so I get this thing. It's like $300. Oh, it showed up yesterday. Okay. So I was like, okay, it's quieter now. Let me just have this spiritual moment by myself. And I unpacked it very carefully, and I laid it down, and I made sure that it was a good height, and I looked into this thing, and I have to tell you.

[Jessica]

What were you wearing?

[Christopher Buckle]

I don't think I should leave the house because if what I saw is what everyone is seeing right now, I am a Picasso. I am asymmetrical. One eye's here, one eye's here. One eye's little. One eye's giant. After looking in this true mirror, I honestly was like, I should be in a bell tower pulling a rope. It was disappointing. I have been delusional in my mind.

[Jessica]

I, I. That that's. I don't like when people take pictures and you're, like, off to the side, or you're just standing, or you're, like, looking and listening. You know, when people take a picture, it's like a group picture, and you see how you look in the group

[Christopher Buckle]

or if you're on the outside frame of the photo.

[Jessica]

Yeah, that's what I mean.

[Christopher Buckle]

It stretches your face like this. And I'm like, that's great. I'm always taking selfies with Mariah's fans and stuff when they ask. And so they'll always hold the camera like. Or it's like, down here. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. And I'm, like, constantly pulling everyone's hands. Like, up here. You're like, honey, I don't care if it looks crazy, as long as it looks good.

[Jessica]

Do Mariah's fans follow you? Are you sort of like the friend of. And I mean that in the most flattering way, complimentary way.

[Christopher Buckle]

Like, you know, it's like I am part.

[Jessica]

You're part of the world.

[Christopher Buckle]

I am definitely part of Mariah's world and the machine of Mariah and the history of Mariah. I've. We're going on in July. It'll be 30 years.

[Jessica]

I don't believe in time. Anniversaries. Anniversaries, exactly.

[Christopher Buckle]

And if she ever hears this podcast, she would be like, zip it, Christopher, with those numbers. So she's like, we don't do numbers. So the fans are definitely. You know, I'm a bridge to Mariah in a way, for the fans. So when she. Trust me, if she's in the room, they'll step on my neck to get to her, so.

[Jessica]

But you offer something different than her. Sorry, I'm cutting you off, but, yeah, no, it's okay.

[Christopher Buckle]

But they want her, and so I am a substitute D Lister in her place.

[Jessica]

No, I would never say that. You're your own thing, so you have your own base.

[Christopher Buckle]

I've been around for a long time with the. With her and her fans, and it's always a great interaction. It's always fun, and I always try to keep it. I also know that it's exciting for them to meet us and stuff, so I always try to keep it exciting and fun.

[Jessica]

Definitely. Yeah. All right, we got to talk about makeup, because we've been talking about a lot of other stuff, and I didn't get to what people want to know. All right, so your makeup aesthetic, when I was listening to. I mean, I can. I know a Christopher Buckle look when I see it. It's so singular, it's so specific. But as I was listening to the last time you were on the show, it's just listening for tips and not want to be redundant. You gave me a freebie. You said my makeup aesthetic is meticulous. I love that word, meticulous.

[Christopher Buckle]

I believe everyone's different. And look, there's lots of different types of artists, but the way I look at it is there's many details, and the more perfect you can make each detail collectively, you're going to be as meticulous as possible. The end result will be very clean. It'll be as good as you can make it if each little detail as you go is as perfect as you can do it.

[Jessica]

So what's a rush job for you? How long does that take?

[Christopher Buckle]

Four hours. No, I'm kidding. No, the truth is, I don't like spending a lot of time doing makeup. It drives me nuts because I don't have a lot of patience, and so I'm also an empath. So I'm feeling for the person sitting there trying to. My client who's, like, trying to look up, look down, look over here, be still trying to look at their phone while their hair is getting pulled on. So I want to get it done. So I am a very fast makeup artist. Ultimately, a fast makeup I could do in 20 minutes. I could do the same. Like, I've gotten Mariah ready for a stage in 20 minutes. Full, full, full makeup.

[Jessica]

Okay. Okay.

[Christopher Buckle]

But I normally would like to have 45 minutes to get someone.

[Hannah]

Hannah, I just Venmo'd you for dinner.

[Jessica]

Obsessed.

[Hannah]

I'm spending it right now in the lip gloss that's been sitting in my cart.

[Jessica]

What do you mean, spending it right now?

[Hannah]

You can instantly spend your balance with the Venmo debit card or when you pay with Venmo at checkout.

[Jessica]

Stop. Say more.

[Hannah]

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[Christopher Buckle]

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[Jessica]

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[Christopher Buckle]

Oh, yes, yes.

[Jessica]

I've got a lot of lid.

[Christopher Buckle]

You've got a Jessica Chastain aesthetic. Of course, you're your own person, but the spacing and the proportions could be very similar to Jessica.

[Jessica]

I feel like you just scanned my face. You just gave me a Christopher Buckle scan.

[Christopher Buckle]

I scanned it, yeah.

[Jessica]

Yeah. I have, like, I could handle a lot of makeup, but when I try to do it, if I'm doing, you know, let's do it, let's really go glam. It's too much. It looks a bit silly. It looks a little bit heavy handed. When really I just want to have that meticulous, polished look. So I want to know what can people do to. They might not have your hand or like, skill level, but what are those little things that we can do to just make things look a little bit more polished? Or maybe it's about easing up. What can we do so it doesn't look slobby, Bobby?

[Christopher Buckle]

Well, I think a lot of times people are not doing their makeup mindfully. They're just instead of analyzing and looking at themselves critically and deciding what needs to happen and why it needs to happen, they're just kind of following a roadmap of, oh, well, you do this, you do this, this step and this step and this step. But those are guidelines. But you really have to look in the mirror and see where the darkness is, where the shadows are, which eyebrow is maybe higher than the other. Really look at each feature individually and see what is really needed. So then you just correct the brow that's a little bit lower and then start with that one to make it higher. You know what I mean? You can't make the other one lower. So start with that and then go to the next brow and then you can just fill in maybe somewhere where it might need it. Then you look under your eyes and you decide where the darkness is. You neutralize that concealer or whatever and you kind of go through your face like that.

[Jessica]

It's a little bit out of body. It's a little bit like taking yourself, taking the emotion and the judgment out of it.

[Christopher Buckle]

Right. And it's kind of like if you have a dress that has a couple stains on it, okay. And it's dry clean, only you don't have time to maybe wash the whole dress and do that. You have to spot clean. So you want to look at where the problem is or the issue or whatever the thing that you want to change and or make better, and you just dissect those things one by one. And you just concentrate on those. And that will give you a concise look without being theatrical about it.

[Jessica]

Yeah, that's the theatrical that I need to be a little wary of sometimes.

[Christopher Buckle]

But also when it comes to. For instance, I see people. A common mistake I'll see is people will do eye makeup, but then after they do their eye makeup, you need to go in with, like, a tight liner, like a wedge brush, lining brush, or whatever. And you need to get in between your lashes with the waterproof gel liner to bridge the shadow into the lash line. So this is. It's just like making sure those little details are kind of dealt with, because that makes a big difference in the way things end up looking.

[Jessica]

So that you don't see the tight liner things, that you don't see the little tiny white spots right in between. Okay.

[Christopher Buckle]

Yeah. So even if you're doing very little, just do very little in a very strategic, precise way.

[Jessica]

Do you ever think of writing a book?

[Christopher Buckle]

I have been asked to write a book, and I don't know if I should do a makeup book, per se, but I think that the stories of my career are very entertaining. And I've worked with so many people through different genres and through, like, I've worked with everyone from Twiggy to Cher to Madonna to, like, Britney, Mariah, Christina, all of those people. All the actresses like Ann, Margaret, Catherine Denerven, all. Everyone of current day. So I. I just think that that would be an entertaining thing. I just am not going to trash people. And so I know that.

[Jessica]

No, that's not you.

[Christopher Buckle]

It's just not. I don't. I don't. I wouldn't even know where to begin to do that. So I. I just know that publishers would probably want, like, a tell all kind of a thing, and I just would not do that at all because I have such good, funny stories of.

[Jessica]

You have funny stories. But I think it's also like the sort of the makeup manual of it all, because what you do does require technical skill. It's hard. I don't know. I know obviously there's a million billion tutorials, but some of what you do, I think, just kind of can't. Obviously, you can do videos to promote it, but. Anyway, we can talk about this later. Okay, let's go. Let's go more towards something else. I've been thinking about now, a lot of your clients, like, some of your star clients, they're over 40. Blake lively, she's 38. Okay. If the Internet is correct. But over 35, over 40. Things do happen to your complexion, your face, your skin tone starts changing. The color in your skin, it's not as vibrant. Your brows start to thin, your lips start to thin a little bit. Things happen.

[Christopher Buckle]

It sounds amazing.

[Jessica]

It sounds, it's really, it's a really great experience. I would love some of the baby fat that I had in my face from my 20s. Give us some tips for helping restore that vitality. Because your clients, they look better. Anyone would kill to look like them. And it has nothing to do with, you know, to steal a Mariah ism. Like age. What, what age? Like, I don't know her.

[Christopher Buckle]

So tell us when it comes to trying to make yourself look a little bit more vivacious, healthy, to me, I always look at it like healthy looking really vibrant and healthy. And that will always go with youth. But I think a good place to start is with the complexion. People are so afraid of concealer and as they get older, because they're afraid of texture. But that's if you're using really dry products. Like there's such great concealers out there now and there's so many different kinds. And what I find is if you use the right color concealer that has neutralizing tones to it, you don't have to use as much of it, but correcting all the shadows, any discoloration, things like that. Yes, Cream blush, very important. Brows, of course, darker eyebrow will always make. Give it kind of a feeling of youth and laminate them. If you've got thin eyebrows that are kind of very narrow, you can always have them laminated and colored. That will instantly give you a wider eyebrow visually. And then you can just fill in where you're sparse. Trying to think tight, lining the upper lid. Like, if you like. I always do that on myself. And keep everything on top. Like, don't go under your eyes, don't put liners under your eyes or any of that.

[Jessica]

Keep everything, nothing under the eyes, everything

[Christopher Buckle]

lifted, conceal under the eyes, get rid of the shadows. But then you put some shadow, you put tight liner on your upper lash line and then mascara, lash, whatever, but keep everything upwards and that will always be good. And with lips, of course, use a natural colored lip liner. And people get really scared of over drawing their lips. But if you kind of keep them, because a lot of times as we get older, the space between your nose and your upper lip gets wider. So bringing your lip fuller in the middle of your lip, that will be helpful because it'll avoid the Lucille Ball theatrical lip that people are afraid of. But I want to tell you about some products that I have discovered recently that I really like, especially for mature skin.

[Jessica]

Okay, hit me.

[Christopher Buckle]

And it's. It. Cosmetics do it all. They're these cream. They're very moisturizing pots of makeup, and they've got lots of colors for the complexion. They have bronzing tones, they've got blush tones. And I've been doing it on myself because I got you just. It's just. Use fluffy brushes and just slam it on, and it's like, really quick and easy, and the texture is really beautiful. It's moisturizing.

[Jessica]

Oh, perfect. Any product I can just slam on is like.

[Christopher Buckle]

You want to slam?

[Jessica]

Winner. Yeah. Precision is not my thing, so. Yeah, go on. What else is good?

[Christopher Buckle]

Let's see. Eighth Day skin care. Have you tried that?

[Jessica]

Yes, yes, yes, I have. Yeah. I like their serum and their moisturizer.

[Christopher Buckle]

Yeah. There's the. I don't know what the hell it is, but it's some sort of acid thing that. It's like a toner acid, but.

[Jessica]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a tonic.

[Christopher Buckle]

It's no joke. It really is. Like, three days later, you're doing your baby. You're like, oh, my God, what is that? It's my face.

[Jessica]

Ah.

[Christopher Buckle]

And then you're like, oh, it's very good. It's like a really good retexturizer and all of that. Trying to think of what else. May Lindstrom. Mae Lindstrom is someone who. I know she's a groomer and in the business, but she came out with a line, and it's all natural oils and all that. It's like a delicious, yummy line. I love all of those things. Like, to sleep with all those oils on your face.

[Jessica]

It's, like, very cocooning.

[Christopher Buckle]

Enriching. Yes. Also, I bought one of these masks that you see on Instagram, and it's like a pink tube, and it's a clear mask that peels off. But you put all your skincare on. You put all your slop. You put all your juices and things on your face, and then you coat your face with this polyurethane of a mask.

[Jessica]

What is this slop mask?

[Christopher Buckle]

You can put it in the notes, but I'll have to look and text you, but it's like you just slap it on, coat it all over your face and neck, and then you let it dry in 10 minutes. And then in the morning.

[Jessica]

Stop it, Christopher.

[Christopher Buckle]

You peel it off.

[Jessica]

Okay.

[Christopher Buckle]

It's created this humid environment for all of your skincare to seep in and really sit and not go on your pillow and.

[Jessica]

Okay. And you're doing this at night.

[Christopher Buckle]

I do. I'm single.

[Jessica]

I love to know that somewhere in Long Island, Christopher is going to Home Goods. He's getting his stuff. He's coming home. He's doing his slop mask.

[Christopher Buckle]

I'm looking like I'm backstage at a Pat McGrath moment glossy.

[Jessica]

And he's scrolling on Instagram looking for his next hit.

[Christopher Buckle]

Exactly, exactly. Just looking for another product to wait for in the mail. But I have to say, you know that pink gel mask that everyone sleeps with, and then it's like a collagen mask, and then in the morning, it turns clear and you take it off.

[Jessica]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Christopher Buckle]

Well, it's great. It's really great, but I can't keep it on my face. It takes four hours to dry. I'm not gonna lay in one position. I only get three hours of sleep, so.

[Jessica]

Oh, my God.

[Christopher Buckle]

Anyway, I. This is good because it just dries in 10 minutes. I can sleep throughout the night. All the skincare is working. And then take it off in the morning. And then you've got a face of an embryo that.

[Jessica]

Well, that's what we're looking for. That's what we're trying. All right, so you are a New York guy. Like you were saying, you used to live in New York. You grew up in Long island, but then you spent your whole career in New York. You've always. You post a lot of things about you downtown. In the 90s, you're working. It's so interesting to me. A lot of it was around the whole love story, Carolyn Bessette, JFK Jr thing. But how people are really excited about New York in the 90s. That was really your time when you came up as an artist. Why do you think you were so excited and really inspired and curious about that time right now?

[Christopher Buckle]

Well, I started going out in the mid-80s, and then in the early 90s, I was working at the nightclubs and stuff. So I did the door of Webster Hall. I did the VIP rope at Limelight. I worked at Palladium years before that in the 80s. So it's just always been a world that I was very tuned into. And the 90s were kind of. I mean, they're. They were the last time where fashion and trends were really strong. And you had Madonna's Blonde Ambition. You had D Lite rivers in the heart, a whole 60s mod retro flashback, and women started wearing wigs and hair bands and go go boots and poochie and plastic daisy earrings. So I think that it's exciting to people because it's one of the last times before telephones, the cell phones and everything that we were really connected to just the human interaction without a lot of the distractions. And things were happening very organically on the street with trends and stuff like that. And they were an investment and they weren't just like a flash in the pan kind of thing.

[Jessica]

It wasn't just whip through, scroll through.

[Christopher Buckle]

No, you cultivated. You cultivated these things.

[Jessica]

I like what you said. Investing. I think that is so key. It's. You would buy the magazine, you would buy the album, you would have to spend time waiting online for the ticket. You would sit through the show.

[Christopher Buckle]

Yes.

[Jessica]

This may be a stretch, I don't know, but no. Fast fashion. It was. It's just a very different time. And I've asked this question to a couple of people and it feels like I'm fixated on this topic, but I'm so interested in why this is. Love Story was a good show, but it can't be. That's the only reason why people are interested in this time period.

[Christopher Buckle]

It's not that I think it's the last time, like I said, where we can at all remember, we had a complete freedom. Like, if you weren't home, your answering machine, you'd have to wait to go home and listen to your answering machine if somebody called you or whatever. So you were invested in the moment. You were invested where you were sitting, eating, and with who you were eating with, because there was only that. And so if you went to the movies, you were invested in watching the movie because you were sitting in a movie theater and there were no telephones to look at or to distract you or to even take you mentally out of it. Like, ooh, did anyone text me? Or did I get that email? So, yeah, I think that there's a romance and a longing for that.

[Jessica]

A longing. We were not meant for that. For this.

[Christopher Buckle]

I think that we are all feeling a bit enslaved to this device.

[Jessica]

I remember always feeling like the next. And part of that's just being young. But the next exciting thing was right around the corner, just, like, anticipation. And I think that's probably a huge part of that is being young. So I'm aware, but it was. I couldn't order it up. I couldn't predict it. It was just sort of spontaneity, I guess.

[Christopher Buckle]

Yes. And it was exciting, too. If you were, like, walking down the street and you saw somebody that was inspiring in some way or where did they get those? Or where they get a shoe. I remember walking down St. Mark's Place and Lady Ms. Keir, who was a neighbor of mine from D Light, she was walking in front of me and she had on the John Fluvag monster heels. The big flared out Louis XIV heel with a square toe and a buckle. I was just like, what are those? What planet did those come from?

[Jessica]

I couldn't reverse Google image search those.

[Christopher Buckle]

No, you had to like hit the streets. You needed to just start investigating, asking around and find them very cool. Recently, I think that there's a longing for nightlife also, which is very depleted, I think, in general because people don't dance anymore. I've been to places where the younger people literally just hold their phones up pointed at the dj. I'm like, no, that's not how this works. You're supposed to be moving to the music. Okay? But no one will dance because they're afraid someone with their phone is gonna film them dancing. Terribly. So anyway, I think there's a longing for nightlife. And I recently saw this thing. It was a. Do you remember Twilo? It was a nightclub in the 90s and they did a reunion weekend. And so it was the original location in Chelsea and it was packed and I went. Cause I was like, this might be my last.

[Jessica]

Who was it packed with? Like what? Like, who was there?

[Christopher Buckle]

It was packed with mostly people my age.

[Jessica]

That's what I mean. Was it mostly people who remember, like anniversary kind of thing?

[Christopher Buckle]

Yeah, it was definitely like a older crowd, but they were definitely a mix. But I think that it was packed and it was fun and everyone was dancing and everybody was like hungry for that moment. I went because I was like, this might be my last chance to ever dance in a real nightclub with good music and enthusiastic people. But it was a good time.

[Jessica]

I think you nailed it. Alright, we're gonna take a quick break and we'll do a quick fat mascara 5.

[Hannah]

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[Jessica]

Obsessed.

[Hannah]

I'm spending it right now in the lip gloss that's been sitting in my cart.

[Jessica]

What do you mean spending it right now?

[Hannah]

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[Jessica]

Stop. Say more.

[Hannah]

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[Jessica]

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[Christopher Buckle]

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[Jessica]

We're doing a fat five with Christopher. You are a very creative person. I can tell from your set design behind you and from your various looks over the years, you must have opinions about the artists you work with. I need to know if you were to collaborate with another artist. I'll pick a couple. Let's say Mariah. What song would you want to sing on her with?

[Christopher Buckle]

Oh, I would be singing with her.

[Jessica]

Oh, yeah. Or you could be dancing or you could be rapping like ODB style.

[Christopher Buckle]

Okay. Sing with her. Thank God I found you.

[Jessica]

Okay.

[Christopher Buckle]

How come it's the first thing that came to mind? I probably couldn't sing it. Thank God I found you. I don't know. It's out of my range.

[Jessica]

You got a good voice.

[Christopher Buckle]

I had a career back then.

[Hannah]

I know.

[Jessica]

That was good. Actress.

[Christopher Buckle]

Actress. Jessica Chastain.

[Jessica]

Drama.

[Christopher Buckle]

It would be. Yeah, it would be one of those. What do they call them? Thrillers.

[Jessica]

Oh, I like it. I like it. Okay. What is a song? You know those songs that's like, oh, my God, if this comes up, this is gonna be embarrassing. How often I listen to the song. What song is it for you?

[Christopher Buckle]

It's John Denver.

[Jessica]

Oh, you told us this. Is this the one?

[Christopher Buckle]

Sunshine On My Shoulders.

[Jessica]

I know you love that song. You said that before.

[Christopher Buckle]

I know, but I do. You have a good memory. I listen to a lot of older music so I can get on like a. On a thing about a song and just play it. And then I'm like, oh, my God, now I can never listen to it again because it's just too much. Oh, God. Let me think of another one for you.

[Jessica]

Well, why do you like John Denver? Like, he makes me sad. I don't mean that in a bad way.

[Christopher Buckle]

I mean, I'm sad. No, I mean, I just, like. I just like the mellowness. The song Sunshine on My Shoulders. If you listen to John Denver's version, it's a very quiet song. It's very humble, but if you listen to it, the song grows like a sunrise. And to me, there's just something poetic about the whole thing. And it's simple and it's a melancholy kind of song, but it's actually very optimistic. Sunshine on My Shoulders makes me happy. It's a simple things. Just keeping it simple, Enjoying and appreciating the simple things. Things. I'm also playing it at my funeral.

[Jessica]

There's something about the sweetness and the tenderness of John Denver. You know how some people make you, like, happy, sad.

[Christopher Buckle]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

That's what John Denver does to me. There's like, a feeling that it's a very tender, precious feeling that not a lot of people hit. And when I think of John Denver, just because everything about him.

[Christopher Buckle]

It's also. What you're probably reacting to is the honesty. You're probably reacting to the honesty of where the song came from and how it was written and its source. Because energy is everything.

[Jessica]

It's almost like you're a musician, songwriter, artist. Christopher.

[Christopher Buckle]

I've done a lot of things.

[Jessica]

I know. Okay, wait, what was the other song that was getting a lot of airtime?

[Christopher Buckle]

Oh, gosh. Okay. Oh, well, this one is really embarrassing, especially after getting a neck and facelift. It's called Forever Young. It's from the 80s. Rob Stewart, Alphaville. Alphaville. Oh, forever young I want to be

[Jessica]

forever young Isn't that song about war?

[Christopher Buckle]

Well, yes, it is.

[Jessica]

That's a beautiful song, though.

[Christopher Buckle]

But I do like. I mean, the. You know, the lyrics can be misconstrued as being.

[Jessica]

No, that's a great. That's a beautiful song, though. The melody of that one is absolutely

[Christopher Buckle]

gorgeous and very, very high to sing. So there's only so high I can go.

[Jessica]

That's a beautiful song, too. You need to make a playlist I need a fat mascara playlist. That's on the to do list. Okay. That'd be fun. You mentioned that you're like a pilgrim to me, not a techie. Today.

[Christopher Buckle]

I said that to you?

[Jessica]

Yes, yes, yes. We were nervous that this podcast would

[Christopher Buckle]

not happen because of my lack of abilities to push buttons and to log on and to connect and to wi fi and to bluetoot.

[Jessica]

I think it's because your apartment's too dark. I think that you can't find the outlets. What is the most lo fi thing about you? Would you use, like, a paper address book?

[Christopher Buckle]

Oh, I literally. People make fun of me all the time because I have a week at a glance book, and I must have the book. I have the calendar on whatever that is on your phone. The Google calendar. That's how my agency communicates with me. But I must write it down into my ledger, my calendar, because I think that once I write something, and whatever that motion is of eye and hand, I then have photographic memory of it and I can remember my entire schedule and keep it together.

[Jessica]

That is how people learn. That is how people learn more. Right. When you write something down. That's proven. It's proven. And finally, it's 12 noon on a Saturday. You don't have travel, you don't have work. No one's blowing up your phone. What are you doing?

[Christopher Buckle]

I'm probably painting or baking or hanging out with a friend, eating. People think that I live some sort of a fabulous lifestyle, but the truth is I'm very basic, and I really like to do the most simple things. I like cooking with my friends, having some wine with my friends and laughing. And I'm tooling around here and painting and doing things and gold leafing and. Yeah, I just. And gardening in my yard. So I keep it very basic, and I think that's the balance to the extreme opposite of what I do for a living, which is a lot of artifice and a lot of illusion and a lot of smiling through tiredness and playing the game of business. But getting your hands dirty in the yard and paint on your hands and keeps it real, Reconnecting, it's a balance.

[Jessica]

Yeah, it's a balance. Thank you so much, Christopher. This was really fun.

[Christopher Buckle]

You're the best.

[Jessica]

Thanks, Christopher. I hope that you enjoyed the chat. I hope you found that conversation delightful. Chris, you are welcome back in the studio at any time. Lots of tips and tricks. Now I'm going to hand the mic over to our listener, Diane. Longtime listener Diane. You have a razor wand for us. Thank you. She emailed me at jessatmascara Personal. I love it. Jessatmascara. You can send your Razor wands to JessatMascara or infoatmascara.com she said, Dear Jess, I've been meaning to raise a wand to these podcasts. She's very excited about the return of Fat Mascara. Please, if you're being shy, don't just email me. It doesn't have to be fancy. You don't even have to write like an intro. Just say I'm loving this and then tell us why. Okay. She said that she's been using Curelle Hydrotherapy in Shower Lotion Wet Skin Moisturizer. They never make these titles like they, you know, it's always a whole story. Curel Hydrotherapy in Shower Lotion Wet Skin Moisturizer. Every time she showers, she uses it after she cleanses with Curelle Itch Defense Calming Daily Cleanser Body Wash Soap Free formula. And they're very affordable. She's pretty fair and her skin has always leaned toward dry. I don't know why I'm changing from first person to like third person, but I also have a few squall scars in my midsection from a long ago medical procedure and they've always had itchy flare ups from time to time. By the way, I totally get that. Totally. I have the same thing. My doctor recommended these Curelle products to me. They do the trick to keep the itching and dry skin feeling at bay. And they're very affordable. You can get them at the Curelle store on Amazon or other spots online. That is such a real thing. If you have scars or like some kind of procedure, it just itches there after a while. So you don't have to go for the fanciest products in the world. The ones that do the trick do the trick. So I agree. Curelle. I think my mom always had Curelle next to her bedside too for like itchy legs and stuff. I'm sure she'll really appreciate me sharing that anecdote. But yes, appreciate the recommendation. The Razor wand Diane. Agree. Cure all. Cure all. Cure all. Send your razor wands my way. We will see you next Wednesday. Have a great week. Thank you for listening to Fat Mascara. If you like the show, consider giving us a rating and review on itunes, Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. This helps other people find the show. Follow us on social at Fat Mascara and email me at Infoat Mascara. I would love to use hear from you and to shop the products grown on the episode Check out Fat Mascara on Shop My Shelf. This show is produced by Red Rock Music. I'll see you next time.

[Hannah]

Hannah. I just Venmoed you for dinner.

[Jessica]

Obsessed.

[Hannah]

I'm spending it right now in the lip gloss that's been sitting in my cart.

[Jessica]

What do you mean spending it right now?

[Hannah]

You can instantly spend your balance with the Venmo debit card. Or when you pay with Venmo at checkout.

[Jessica]

Stop. Say more.

[Hannah]

More. Exactly. The more you do with Venmo, the more you get. Like, earning up to 5% cash back with Venmo Stash. Get the Venmo debit card or checkout online. Venmo Stash Bundle terms and exclusions apply. Max $100 per month. See Terms at Venmo Me Stash Terms. Venmo Checkout not available at all merchants. The Venmo MasterCard is issued by the Bancorp Bank. Na.

[Christopher Buckle]

Okay. Caller one wins courtside seats to tonight's game. What? I won floor seats. You did? I've been calling for 13 months. Wait. Chris. Yes. I finally did it. What are you gonna wear? Men's Wearhouse. They've got today's looks for any occasion. And I need to look like a celebrity. Don't want to stick out. Exactly. They've got Chill Flex by Kenneth Cole, Joseph Abood and a tailor at every store for the perfect fit. Congrats. You can stop calling now. Not a chance. Hit any look for every occasion at Men's Wearhouse. Love the way you look.

[Jessica]

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