Marc Jacobs on Beauty, Image, and More

Summary

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Fat Mascara: Marc Jacobs on Beauty, Image, and More

Host: Jessica Matlin
Guest: Marc Jacobs
Date: June 3, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this lively and candid episode of Fat Mascara, host Jessica Matlin sits down with iconic designer Marc Jacobs to discuss the highly anticipated revival of Marc Jacobs Beauty, his playful and rebellious approach to the beauty world, influences from the past and present, the philosophy behind his work, and his personal self-care rituals. Jessica’s deep admiration for Marc shines throughout, resulting in an energetic conversation filled with nostalgia, industry insights, and a few laughs. The episode also features a rapid-fire "Fat Mascara 5" round and memorable reflections on evolving personal style and beauty.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Marc Jacobs Beauty: The Return & What’s Different

• Public Anticipation and the Brand’s Return

  • Jessica asks about the public's excitement for Marc Jacobs Beauty’s return and what’s missing in the current beauty market.
  • Marc emphasizes the importance of a new perspective rather than “filling a gap”:

    "I don't know if anything's missing from the space, but I think there's always room for another voice, another story, other suggestions." — Marc Jacobs (06:15)

• Brand Identity & Approach

  • Jessica observes the industry’s current penchant for serene minimalism, suggesting Marc’s approach is a jolt of fun, playfulness, and rebellion.
  • Marc explains how collaboration with Coty informed their creative direction, combining color, fun, and high fashion.

    "They think of you as colorful. They think of it fun. They think of it as high fashion. So how do we combine all those things... and talk about that in beauty?" — Marc Jacobs (06:56)

• Marc’s Perspective on the Hiatus

  • On whether he viewed the original beauty line's end as final:

    "I did feel like it ended... I still found it hard to believe that we were gonna start up again, but we did." — Marc Jacobs (07:31)

• Fan Fervor & The Cult of Marc Jacobs Beauty

  • Jessica highlights online forums (Reddit, eBay), the collector’s market for discontinued products, and the brand’s passionate fanbase.
  • Marc is surprised by the extent, noting he only gets occasional comments from fans in person.

    "I do... but it's rare and it doesn't... it doesn't happen very often. So I have, like, those from time to time kind of indications that I missed." — Marc Jacobs (08:49)

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Creative Inspiration, Nostalgia, and Youth Culture

• Mood Boards & Inspirations

  • Marc typically works from an internalized “mental mood board” sparked by memories and pop culture images rather than formal collages.

    "I have so much information in my head... I'm not in control of what catalysts... come up." — Marc Jacobs (09:25)

• Early 90s Influence & Iconic Beauty Moments

  • Major inspiration comes from early 90s editorial looks: fresh faces, singular bold features (like a strong eye or lip), and a do-it-yourself approach.

    "It was just about what one thing will it be, and one intentional thing... That's what looks so cool." — Marc Jacobs (10:44)

  • Marc draws a line between that editorial freshness and today’s heavy, layered, Instagram-influenced makeup.

• Runway Collaborations & The Spirit of His Era

  • Jessica notes repeated collaborations with artist Dick Page and the “real girl” aesthetic — a clean face with a single accent.

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Beauty Muses and the Doll Motif

• Enduring Beauty Muses & References

  • Marc’s muses include:
    • Jessica Lange, Kaia Gerber, Sofia Coppola, and 60s/70s stars like Diana Ross.
    • Film and musical inspiration: Bob Fosse’s "Sweet Charity," Liza Minnelli in "Cabaret," and late-60s/70s makeup looks.

    "I love the weird doll, like, makeup of all the dancers in the big spender scene of Sweet Charity... Early Diana Ross and the Supremes." — Marc Jacobs (14:12)

• The Doll Aesthetic

  • Explored not as a reductive or misogynist symbol, but as a form of playful creativity, dressing and imagining for others.

    "That's somehow how I see my position in fashion... I'm playing with dolls, figuring out the clothes and the makeup and the hair and there's that kind of spirit and that form of creativity..." — Marc Jacobs (15:29)

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The Pull of the Past: 90s Nostalgia and Youth Culture

• Why Today’s Youth Are Drawn to the 90s
  • Jessica observes the surge in Gen Z’s fascination with 90s analog culture.
  • Marc relates it to every generation’s tendency to romanticize the era when their minds began to open to the world’s possibilities.

    "Probably why I look to the 70s or I suppose... the decade where I started seeing the world in a way that the fashion came forward." — Marc Jacobs (17:02)

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Personal Rituals & Self-Care

• Marc’s Self-Care Philosophy

  • Eschews elaborate rituals (no three baths a day!), keeping physical care simple (shower, shampoo, face soap, brow product).
  • Self-care extends to fragrance, meditation, prayer, and sartorial choices.

    "Self care is a lot more than just products." — Marc Jacobs (18:35)

• On Meditation and Prayer

  • Spiritual and mental self-care rituals began around 10 years ago for Marc.

    "[That] comes from things like meditation, prayer, choosing the clothes I'm going to wear." — Marc Jacobs (18:35)

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Fun With Marc: Photo Reflections & Lightning Round

Photo Flashback Segment (19:09—21:29)

Jessica presents Marc with several images from various eras of his career and asks for one-word reactions:

• Early Designer at Perry Ellis (1989):
  • “Happy.”
    Advice to young Marc? “Oh, God, no. No advice."
• Sofia Coppola/Pajama Era:
  • Wearing silk pajamas in protest during housing troubles post-hurricane.
  • “The pajamas were... my expression of depression over being put out of my house.” (20:50)
• Super Buff, Tattoo Era:
  • “Enjoy this while it lasts because it won’t last very long.” (21:29)

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The Fat Mascara 5 (Lightning Round) (23:34—25:41)

• Favorite Beauty Spot:
  "My home salon... My husband and I, we have a little salon at home, which is downstairs. We have a barber's chair... we're both really into getting our hair done... and all of that grooming stuff." (23:36)
• Getting Ready Playlist:
  "It could be Barbra Streisand, but it could also be LA India. It could also be the Sex Pistols. Or Sonic Youth..." (24:14)
• Acceptance & "Perfectly Imperfect":
  "Just everything... it’s a journey... the important thing is that I'm always moving towards something." (24:38)
• Favorite Sneaky Snack:
  "Fruit slices... those kind of sugar coated... they're 100% sugar, and then they're coated with sugar. But the old school ones..." (25:06)
• Beauty Philosophy, in one word:
  "Be you." (25:39)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Newness in Beauty

  "There's always room for another voice, another story, other suggestions." — Marc Jacobs (06:15)

• On the Freshness of 90s Beauty

  "It was just about what one thing will it be, and one intentional thing or one. Because that's what looks so cool." — Marc Jacobs (10:44)

• On the Doll Motif

  "I'm playing with dolls, figuring out the clothes and the makeup and the hair and there's that kind of spirit and that form of creativity..." — Marc Jacobs (15:29)

• On Evolving, Not Being Nostalgic

  "You're not a nostalgic person. You're always looking forward. You're about evolving." — Jessica Matlin (19:20)

• On Acceptance

  "It's a journey... I'm always moving toward something. Not trying to avoid it, but... constantly in this forward movement." — Marc Jacobs (24:38)

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Key Timestamps

• 01:36 — Jessica’s giddy intro & background with Marc’s influence.
• 06:00 — Start of interview proper: Marc Jacobs Beauty’s return.
• 09:25 — Inspiration, mental mood boards & imagery.
• 10:44 — Early 90s makeup & philosophy on intentional beauty.
• 14:12 — Beauty muses and 60s/70s influences.
• 15:29 — The significance of “dolls” in Marc’s creative life.
• 17:02 — Intergenerational nostalgia: 90s and 70s.
• 18:08 — Self-care rituals: simplicity and spirituality.
• 19:09 — Photo flashback: reactions to Marc’s own style eras.
• 23:34 — Fat Mascara 5 lightning round.
• 25:39 — "Be you": Marc’s beauty philosophy.

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Summary Tone & Takeaway

The episode blends energetic fandom with genuine industry insight, as Jessica and Marc riff on nostalgia, reinvention, and the throughlines of authenticity and play in both fashion and beauty. Marc’s answers are thoughtful but unpretentious—he demystifies his legendary status, reveals the simplicity behind his personal routines, and reaffirms that the key to style and beauty is continuous self-evolution, not perfection, not nostalgia. “Be you” (Marc Jacobs, 25:41) is less a catchphrase than a practice—a sentiment that both host and guest embody throughout this captivating exchange.

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Transcript

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[Jessica Matlin]

It's Marc Jacobs day. It's Marc Jacobs Day. It's Marc Jacobs day.

Who?

I mean, honestly, really, this is amazing. Let's just be real, okay? I love Marc Jacobs. You are going to feel that energy through this interview. You're going to feel it.

Because I, as I listened to it,

I was like, oh my God, guys, I couldn't keep it in. I couldn't keep it in.

I tried to be really at the top.

You'll kind of see. I try to be like very neutral, but then it just kind of bubbles out and spills out. It's like, it's like shaking up a soda bottle. And then, sorry. I mean, I tried to do my best for you, but Mark has been a part of my life since. This sounds like fake news, but it's true. And I kind of get to this in the, in this episode. Since seventh grade, I used to stay up so late at night when I was like in seventh grade and read magazines and play video games and watch MTV until 3 o' clock in the morning. And I saw the video for Sonic Youth's Sugar Cane. And if you haven't seen it, please Google it. It is essentially, and essentially it's the band playing. But within like Intersplice is the Marc Jacobs Perry Ellis fashion show. So you have all this great, all this great fashion imagery but it's just so clearly early 90s. And I was like, oh my God, I love this whole vibe. I love this whole big air quotes aesthetic. And I didn't even know that Mark himself was in the video. And he looks so young. If you look in the video, it's so great. Carry on High school. Oh my God. Mark's friends with these people who happen to make this music or this video. I moved to New York, I live right down the street from the store.

I gotta get this, I gotta get that.

Mark is making the coolest music, that friends with the people make the coolest music, the coolest films and he makes the coolest clothes. He's been like the soundtrack, visual soundtrack to my life. And I can't pretend that this was not something that made me a little nervous. And you might hear that in the interview and do I love that. But it was so special and I hope that you get some little gems from this episode. Now one thing I love and by the way, he's totally marked as in this, in this interview. The other thing that I have to say is in my preparations I somehow neglected to forget that you guys are on audio because I had for the first time a full on site video team for the social. So if you don't follow me already, follow me on Instagram and TikTok and you will see clips from this episode. I was thinking about the visual because I'm flashing him for part a portion of this interview. Pictures of his evolution. He has always been for all of the nostalgia that I'm giving you. What I love about Mark is yes, he's had some great moments but he's always looking forward. He's always about what's next. He's always about the future and just like don't look back, be your best, your best self right now. And I think he's got this great way of just, I don't know, approaching life in that way and approaching art in that way. So I'm showing him these pictures. Check out my Instagram and you'll understand what I'm looking at when I drop the clips. But to navigate this interview, here are the four images. One, he is a very early designer. That's the first one. So he has like added, you know, in his studio designing. Two, it's going to be grunge era. Three, him and Sofia Coppola, his aesthetic bestie and then four. I mean, who can forget this moment, Mark, when he is super, super, super buff with the spongebob tattoo diamond earrings era. So hopefully it will help you navigate this. I think this preamble is just as long as at the interview, they gave me 20 minutes, and, boy, did they ever stick to it. They've got a. They run a tight ship that the Mark team. It was on the press day. They did it at the Highline Standard Hotel. And I caught him right after he just spoke to the crowd of beauty editors debuting the new collection. I want to know what you think of the interview, and I really want to know what you think of the new collection. So send me a dm. Send me an email. Jessat mascara. Let's talk about it, Mark. Take it away.

So people are absolutely rabid for the return of Marc Jacobs beauty. I think it fills something that honestly is not in the beauty space right now. What do you think, from your perspective is missing from the space?

[Marc Jacobs]

Oh, I don't know if anything's missing from the space, but I think there's always room for another voice, another story, other suggestions. Yeah, we don't know really what's missing until we lose it. Right. So maybe they were missing me because it went away. I don't know.

[Jessica Matlin]

They're missing you. They were missing you.

[Marc Jacobs]

Who knows?

[Jessica Matlin]

There's a real. That does sound a little vague, but a little. There's a playfulness, there's a naiveness. There's a lot of what's out in beauty right now is very serene, very minimalist, and this is like a jolt of fun and something unexpected and a little bit of rebelliousness. Does that track with what you were trying to bring?

[Marc Jacobs]

Yes, I mean, it definitely tracks. I think when I can remember from our earliest meetings was Cody came to me with information. They were like, well, we talk to people, and this is how they see your brand. This what their takeaway is. They think of you as colorful. They think of it fun. They think of it as high fashion. So how do we combine all those things into and talk about that in beauty? And so through the process, we came up with what we did.

[Jessica Matlin]

So did you think Marc Jacobs beauty was over when it took a bow, or did you think that you had something in your back pocket?

[Marc Jacobs]

Well, let's see. I probably didn't think about it too much. I did feel like it ended, and then there was talk about, oh, maybe we'll do it. But it. Because it didn't happen immediately after I did kind of feel like it's Gone. It's done. And we had a good time while it lasted, and that's it. And when the talks with Cody and our CEO occurred, I still found it hard to believe that we were gonna start up again, but we did. And, I mean, it did take a while to restart, and then it took a while to figure out what that start looked like. But, yeah, I was excited. I was excited that we were gonna do it again.

[Jessica Matlin]

There were a lot of murmurings online for really since the brand shut down for years. People were, you know, they were ask. They were asking other editors, when is it coming back? There are Reddit forums even on ebay. I don't know. Do you ever take a look, a cheeky peek at ebay to see what's going on with Marc Jacobs Beauty didn't now, I mean, some of the stuff is going for the old stuff and even the fragrances. I mean, your discontinued fragrances are going for hundreds of dollars.

[Marc Jacobs]

Really? Oh, I think there's.

[Jessica Matlin]

There's mark archives.

[Marc Jacobs]

Oh, wow.

[Jessica Matlin]

Yeah. Yeah. No one's clueing you into what's going on in the mark.

[Marc Jacobs]

No.

[Jessica Matlin]

Yeah, the mark archive.

[Marc Jacobs]

No, I didn't know that.

[Jessica Matlin]

But did they tip you off to what are saying about the fandom around the old line and how much anticipation there was around the new line?

[Marc Jacobs]

I mean, I see a little bit of it. Not to the extent that you're describing, but sometimes people say, like, Well, I mean, people actually come up to me and say, like, well, we miss the High Line or we miss Velvet, some of those hero. I guess what they call the hero products. So I do, but it's rare and it doesn't. Yeah, it doesn't happen very often. So I have, like, those from time to time kind of indications that I missed or that those products were missed. But I didn't know about the Reddit.

[Jessica Matlin]

Well, now you have something. Or the ebay, something to do in the cab.

[Marc Jacobs]

Yeah.

[Jessica Matlin]

Okay.

[Marc Jacobs]

Yeah.

[Jessica Matlin]

Who was on your mood board or what was on your mood board for this collection?

[Marc Jacobs]

I didn't really have a mood board. It really happened in the meetings. I think I have a mental. Like, I don't have a physical mood board, but I have such so much information in my head. And I often say I'm not in control of what catalysts or what imagery kind of comes up. I'm so overloaded. And then all of a sudden we'll be sitting there, and again, this thought or this memory or whatever will trigger something, and I'll be like, oh, yeah, I remember that image of Amber Valletta by Craig McDeen from Whatever. And it was just like an eyeliner with a mask or whatever. So, you know, these things, these kind of, for me, iconic moments in cool, youthful makeup come up, like, present themselves to me.

[Jessica Matlin]

Are there any co. Youthful moments in beauty that ring around your head, whether it's for this collection

[Marc Jacobs]

or just, oh, there's so. So many. And I guess a lot of what was coming up for me was a little bit of the early 90s, the sort of right around the time where it was doing the grunge collection. And what was going on in makeup and beauty then was like, this really fresh kind of no makeup, but then there'd be, like, a strong eye or there'd be a strong lip. So it was like it wasn't about nothing. It was just about what one thing

[Jessica Matlin]

will it be, and one intentional thing or one.

[Marc Jacobs]

Because that's what looks so cool. Like, again, all the girls back then were. I mean, of course, they were great beauties, but they were interesting kind of beauties. They were not the beauties that came before them. And again, like, on a shoot with one of the many great photographers of that time, I think there was an approach and an attitude about makeup with some of the great makeup artists of that moment where it was like, yeah, let me just go in there and do this. And it had a little bit of a do it yourself attitude. So, again, you weren't talking about layers and layers and baking and contour and all that stuff. You were looking at a young face and just had a one thing.

[Jessica Matlin]

It wasn't studied.

[Marc Jacobs]

Yeah. And it wasn't layered and heavy, which I know is such a thing now. But again, I was looking not so much at that makeup that is, I think, for makeup lovers, but more of the kind of editorial freshness of those early 90s images that makes total sense.

[Jessica Matlin]

And you can see that even in a lot of your Runway makeup too. You know, I think about a lot of the work that you've done with Dick Page over the years. He's always about. Or most of the time, he's about a clean face and then a fresh cheek or a lip balm on the lip. It's something a real girl could do.

[Marc Jacobs]

Yeah. And I think that is exactly. Or he is one of the people, and it's exactly that spirit. That approach. It was that approach to clothing. It was that approach to makeup that I feel, again, not being nostalgic about that period of time, but feeling like that's such a relevant expression, and it does feel A little bit counter to what I see on Instagram and all these makeup tutorials, which are about so much, which I think is good. I think people love to have stuff,

[Jessica Matlin]

but, well, you know, I know you

embrace the now and you very much embrace every moment that you're in.

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[Jessica Matlin]

You've always had really great immediate and fashion and beauty. I mean, you used Jessica Lange for one of your beauty campaigns. Kaia Gerber. Sofia Coppola is always a collaborator for you. Who are some of your other beauty muses? They don't necessarily need to be in your campaigns, but who rings around your head?

[Marc Jacobs]

Oh, beauty muses. I mean, over time, I mean, I always go back to kind of the same references. I love the weird doll, like, makeup of all the dancers in the big spender scene of Sweet Charity by Fosse or Cabaret with Liza Minnelli. I love early Diana Ross and the Supremes. That kind of 60s makeup was always so great to me. And I don't know, I probably. There are periods in makeup that I love, like the 70s and how that makeup looked and the 60s. I probably go back to that a lot. 60s and 70s makeup. But. But who? Yeah, those are some of the who's.

[Jessica Matlin]

I love how you said doll. Like, it's like doll, like, always comes back in your collections. What's with the dolls?

[Marc Jacobs]

What's with the dolls? Well, I think that's.

[Jessica Matlin]

And I'm a fan of dolls.

[Marc Jacobs]

Yeah. Okay. Well, I. I don't mean it in some icky, misogynist way. No. But I mean, it's. It's a dangerous thing to say when you're.

[Jessica Matlin]

You know, I actually didn't take it that way. I was like, you must think that like I have a doll phobia or something.

[Marc Jacobs]

No, but they're dolls. The dolls is used. The word dolls is used in a way today too. That has a different.

[Jessica Matlin]

Yes for sure.

[Marc Jacobs]

Connotation than dolls. The way we're talking about it, I think right now.

[Jessica Matlin]

Yeah.

I mean, like childlike Peter Pan collar.

[Marc Jacobs]

Yeah.

[Jessica Matlin]

Lashes.

[Marc Jacobs]

I think for. I mean, not again. It's not super intentional, but I think that's somehow how I see my position in fashion. Whatever is like I'm playing with dolls, figuring out the clothes and the makeup and the hair and there's that kind of spirit and that form of creativity that makes it like, I'm not doing this for me, I'm doing this on or for someone else. And yeah, I guess that. I guess in some ways that's the symbolism of the doll. Yeah.

[Jessica Matlin]

No, it's just think of it like it's like a childlike theme.

[Marc Jacobs]

Yeah.

[Jessica Matlin]

You can tell.

I'm a fan of your work. I've been a very big mark girl since I was 12. My first designer purchase was a wool pea coat that I bought at Lohman's backroom. I don't know what your margin was on that, but it was so good. And I loved a big Sonic Youth fan. I loved the sugarcane video. I didn't even know if you were in it. I didn't understand the connection, but I didn't know that. I was just attracted to that world. And my point where I'm going with this, the whole point of where I'm going with this is I loved being subsumed into another world of fashion and music. And as a 12 year old, that was. It just like blew my mind. And that's like very much comfort. And it's. It was this 90s era of just. I felt like there was so much to dig into and get lost into. I work with a lot of young people and I hear so much about this nine. Well, you need to work with young people to know this. There's such an obsession with the 90s right now and this analog time. Why do you think so many young people are looking to the 90s for inspo.

[Marc Jacobs]

Probably why I look to the 70s or I suppose.

[Jessica Matlin]

Is that your decade?

[Marc Jacobs]

Well, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, it's probably the decade where I started seeing the world in a way that the fashion came forward. Right. And the rest of the world went backward. So I don't know. But I think that probably true of every generation. Like they look, if they look back, there's a kind of 20 year cycle or 10 year cycle or something like that. So, yeah, I think the aesthetics of the 70s, maybe it's also when I was 12 years old that I just started to see. Well, probably earlier than 12, but then I just started to see that. And now when I see it, I think, oh, yeah, it makes sense. That's the math.

[Jessica Matlin]

It's. You go back to where your mind was starting to open.

[Marc Jacobs]

Yeah, that's how it was for me, I think.

[Jessica Matlin]

Tom ford famously took three baths a day, if we want to believe his 24 hours in Harper's Bazaar. Okay, okay. That's what he said. That's what he told the reporter.

[Marc Jacobs]

Well, that's gotta be true.

[Jessica Matlin]

What are some of your self care rituals, however unconventional?

[Marc Jacobs]

Okay, so self care for me is definitely not about three baths a day. I take a shower in the morning, sometimes a shower at night, but usually just a shower in the morning. Like a hot shower. I have. I use very few products. I use a shampoo conditioner and now like curl activator and I use a face soap. I never remember Augustinus.

[Jessica Matlin]

Augustinus Butter.

[Marc Jacobs]

Yeah.

[Jessica Matlin]

Okay.

[Marc Jacobs]

That I use the soap, brush my teeth, use mouthwash. That's it.

[Jessica Matlin]

You are a simple man.

[Marc Jacobs]

But that's not my self care. That. That is just keeping clean. And then my self care comes from fragrance. It comes from usually some brow product. And then it comes from things like meditation, prayer, choosing the clothes I'm going to wear, even though they're pretty much the same every day. Yeah. Self care is a lot more than just products. Right.

[Jessica Matlin]

The meditation, the prayer, when did that come in your life?

[Marc Jacobs]

Probably about 10 years ago.

[Jessica Matlin]

Okay, I'm gonna do a quick thing with you.

I think we have another five minutes. I'm gonna show you just a few photos of yourself.

[Marc Jacobs]

Okay.

[Jessica Matlin]

And you're gonna give me just one word about each look because you've always evolved.

You're only one word.

[Chris Gillebeau]

One word.

[Marc Jacobs]

I'm only one word.

[Jessica Matlin]

You can give a cut, little cut, you know, who am I to cut you off?

[Marc Jacobs]

Okay. All right.

[Jessica Matlin]

You've always evolved. Even though people sometimes will say, like, your design's like, some bits are nostalgic. You're not a nostalgic person. You're always looking forward. You're about evolving.

Okay.

This is you. And I believe it's 1989.

[Marc Jacobs]

It looks like Perry Ellis.

[Jessica Matlin]

Yeah.

You look very happy.

[Marc Jacobs]

I probably was. Yeah. I'm wondering because of the blue bracelet. It must have been after I went To Martha's Vineyard with my friend Tina Bossidy. So then from that trip on. So I was probably 25, 26, probably.

[Jessica Matlin]

And what's the vibe here? How are you feeling?

Happy.

[Marc Jacobs]

Happy, Yeah. I don't remember who took that picture, but I see behind me, too, there was sketches and stuff on the wall. So it was probably one of my first collections of Perry Ellis.

[Jessica Matlin]

Any advice for this young man?

[Marc Jacobs]

Oh, God, no. No advice. Oh, what was that? Okay. I have no idea what that was.

[Jessica Matlin]

Early 90s.

[Marc Jacobs]

Early 90s. I'm trying to think of where it was. I don't know. My hair's longer, but not long. I was wearing Stan Smith. It was like, then, but I must have been at the end of a show, but I have no idea what it was. Okay. With Sofia Coppola in a T shirt inspired by Debbie Harry. Blondie. Parallel lines or plastic letters. I don't know which album it was, but in my pajama stage. In my pajama era. Right. All I was wearing was silk pajamas. Well, it was. Because Bethune street, it was Sandy.

[Jessica Matlin]

Yes.

[Marc Jacobs]

And I, like, in kind of protest, I said, well, I'm not gonna wear clothes until my home is restored. So it was like. Cause the pajamas were this sort of my little expression of depression over being put out of my house and, you know, by the storm. So I think I insisted on wearing pajamas until I moved back into the house.

[Jessica Matlin]

And then this was an era. The tattoos.

[Marc Jacobs]

Yeah, tattoos. In the gym.

[Jessica Matlin]

Physically fit. Very physically fit. Were you wearing diamond earrings here, too? No, they're not here.

[Danny Pellegrino]

They're not here.

[Marc Jacobs]

Not there. But I.

[Jessica Matlin]

In that period?

[Marc Jacobs]

Yeah, it was. Yeah. There was some diamond earrings involved. Yeah. Not in that picture, but.

[Jessica Matlin]

What do you say to this man?

What's this man saying?

[Marc Jacobs]

Well, enjoy this while it lasts because it won't last very long.

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[Marc Jacobs]

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[Jessica Matlin]

Okay, and then I have. Let's do a quick fat mascara 5. This is lightning Round. I could just one word answers.

[Marc Jacobs]

Okay.

[Jessica Matlin]

Favorite beauty spot.

[Marc Jacobs]

My home salon.

[Jessica Matlin]

You have a home salon?

[Marc Jacobs]

We sure do. My husband and I, we have a little salon at home, which is downstairs. We have a barber's chair. Well, we're both really into getting our hair done, and we're both really into doing the nails. And we're both really into, like, all of that grooming stuff, like a lineup for the. So I would say the definite favorite beauty spot is right in the basement of our house.

[Jessica Matlin]

Has it been shot?

[Marc Jacobs]

No, I'm not. We're not there yet.

[Jessica Matlin]

Okay. Okay. All right.

[Marc Jacobs]

We're not there yet.

[Jessica Matlin]

I loved your track star appearance. I realized that my friend said that I am like a gay man, because basically, we have the same.

[Marc Jacobs]

Okay. The same references.

[Jessica Matlin]

Okay. What is on your Getting Ready playlist? What do you like to listen to?

[Marc Jacobs]

Oh, that varies. It depends what mood. I don't typically listen to music first thing in the morning because I love quiet. But if I wake up kind of really energized, it could be Barbra Streisand, but it could also be LA India. It could also be the Sex Pistols. I mean, it does vary. Or Sonic Youth, like you mentioned. Yeah.

[Jessica Matlin]

Okay. Perfectly Imperfect. I love that name. I love the whole vibe. What have you come to accept in yourself?

[Marc Jacobs]

Oh, just everything. I mean, It's a. You know, it's a journey. So I haven't. I'm not there yet, but I'm further along than I was a week ago. So, I mean, and that's the important thing is that I'm always moving towards something. Not trying to avoid it, but, like, feeling good about. Okay, well, I'll discover something new and I'll learn something new. And I'll be constantly in this forward movement.

[Jessica Matlin]

And this one's easy. Favorite, like sneaky snack. Like, guilty pleasure snack.

[Marc Jacobs]

Oh, lately it's been fruit slices. So those kind of sugar coated. Like, they're 100% sugar, and then they're coated with sugar.

[Jessica Matlin]

No, I like those. I like those.

[Marc Jacobs]

But the old school ones that my grandmother used to have, you know, not like Sour Patch Single wrapped.

[Jessica Matlin]

The single wrapped ones?

[Marc Jacobs]

No, no. They come like, I get them at Balducci', but literally they look like they're red, orange, you know, yellow if it's lemon, green if it's apple, or red if it's cherry, purple. But it's like just pure sugar. You might as well just pour sugar down your mouth.

[Jessica Matlin]

I always feel like they're refreshing. Like, they're like a refreshing sugar.

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[Jessica Matlin]

And then finally, what's your beauty philosophy?

In one word, be you.

[Marc Jacobs]

But that's two words, so I'll take it. Okay.

[Jessica Matlin]

Thank you so much, Marc.

[Marc Jacobs]

You're so welcome.

[Jessica Matlin]

This was really fun.

[Marc Jacobs]

Yeah, it was really fun. Thank you.

[Jessica Matlin]

All right, everyone, thank you so much for listening to that. I listened back and I'm like, oh, my God. I was kind of nervous, but I think you can understand. I think we all have one. We all have one. Cindy Crawford, lover wasn't nervous. Jane Fonda wasn't nervous. Reverential wasn't nervous. But Marc Jacobs definitely got me a little bit. Let me know what you think. Head to Fat Mascara on Instagram. Fat mascara on TikTok. Let me know what you thought of the interview, and I'm dying to know what you think of the new line. I don't think of it as a relaunch. I really don't. It is not a relaunch. It is a completely new line, I think, for a very new customer. So let me know what you think, and if you've tried it, I want to know. So let's talk about it. Fat Mascara on Instagram and TikTok. I'll see you there.

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