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Podcast: Feel Better, Live More with Dr Rangan Chatterjee
Episode: BITESIZE | How To Stay Calm, Connected And In Control During Difficult Conversations | Jefferson Fisher #627
Guest: Jefferson Fisher—Trial lawyer, public speaker, and author of The Next Conversation: Argue Less, Talk More
Date: February 20, 2026

In this Bitesize episode, Dr Rangan Chatterjee and Jefferson Fisher explore how to handle difficult conversations with clarity, composure, and connection. Drawing from Fisher's experiences and new book, the discussion unveils practical, science-backed principles that transform communication—a crucial but often overlooked pillar of both mental health and relationships.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. What Gets in the Way of Effective Communication?

[02:11] Jefferson Fisher:

• Miscommunication: The words we say are not always what the listener hears; tone and context matter just as much as content.
• Reactivity & Defensiveness: Many people enter conversations, especially disagreements, with a competitive mindset—eager to "win" rather than understand.
• Surface vs. Depth: Often, the reaction we see is only the tip of the iceberg; unseen stresses and histories influence how people respond.

Notable Quote:
"The person you see is often not the person you're talking to ... There's always a surface and a depth to anybody." — Jefferson Fisher (03:42)

2. Jefferson Fisher's Three Core Principles of Better Communication

[04:45]

• Say It With Control:

  • Focus on controlling yourself, not the other person.
  • True authority and calm in conversation come from inner self-regulation.

• Say It With Confidence:

  • Confidence isn’t a precondition but the byproduct of assertive, honest communication.
  • "Confidence is as assertive does"—confidence follows action, not the other way around.

• Say It To Connect:

  • Effective communication is grounded in both understanding and acknowledging the other person.
  • Connection needs both: understanding their perspective and making them feel seen.

Notable Quote:
"What I want you to do is control yourself. That's going to begin always a better conversation." — Jefferson Fisher (04:45)
"Confidence is not what you have before the conversation. Confidence is the outcome." — Jefferson Fisher (04:56)

3. The Role of The Nervous System in Communication

[06:26] Dr Rangan Chatterjee & [08:21] Jefferson Fisher:

• State Shapes Perception: We interpret words, emails, and conversations differently depending on our stress level or nervous system state.
• Threat Responses: Disagreement often triggers our competitive, threat-defensive instincts, which can sabotage meaningful dialogue.
• Self-Awareness: Recognizing how your inner state influences your communication is the first step to changing it.

Notable Quote:
"We see the world through the state of our nervous system." — Dr Rangan Chatterjee (06:26)

4. Practical Technique: The Power of the Breath

[10:43]

• Breath as the "First Word":

  • In heated moments, insert a conscious breath before responding; it breaks automatic reactivity and buys time.
  • Prolonged breath regulates the nervous system, transmitting composure and calm authority.

• Demonstration (17:49):

  • Conversational Breath Exercise: Double inhale (3 seconds in, 2 seconds more), then full exhale—performed through the nose, invisibly within conversation to ground yourself before responding.
  • The technique slows down the conversation, helping you perceive (and project) greater clarity and control.

Notable Quotes:
"Let your breath be the first word that you say." — Jefferson Fisher (10:53)
"The first voice sounds like I'm grasping for control ... The other person sounds like, no, no, no, I've never lost it. I'm right here." — Jefferson Fisher (13:21)
"When you slow things down, it controls the moment more." — Jefferson Fisher (10:53)

5. Slowing Down & Valuing Silence

[19:08 - 21:46]

• Rushing to reply often escalates tension; giving space and time lets priority and perspective rise above momentary emotion.
• Silence and measured pacing de-escalate confrontation, facilitate genuine listening, and foster deeper connection.

Notable Quote:
"Beautiful, wonderful things happen when you simply slow down the conversation. And that's exactly if you want to have better conversation. You slow it down." — Jefferson Fisher (20:41)

6. Transforming Disagreement: "I See Things Differently"

[21:59]

• Swap “I disagree” for “I see things differently" to reduce defensiveness and keep conversations productive and respectful.
• This simple shift reframes disagreement as a difference in perspective, not a personal attack.

Notable Quote:
"Instead of 'I disagree,' change it to, 'I see things differently.' ... You're using words of perspective ... People won't get defensive." — Jefferson Fisher (21:59)

Notable Quotes & Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote / Moment | |------------|----------------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:42 | Jefferson Fisher | "There's always a surface and a depth to anybody." | | 04:45 | Jefferson Fisher | "Control yourself. That's going to begin always a better conversation." | | 06:26 | Dr Rangan Chatterjee | "We see the world through the state of our nervous system." | | 10:53 | Jefferson Fisher | "Let your breath be the first word that you say." | | 13:21 | Jefferson Fisher | "The first voice sounds like I'm grasping for control ... The other person sounds like, no, no, no, I've never lost it. I'm right here." | | 17:49 | Jefferson Fisher | Conversational breath exercise demonstration | | 20:41 | Jefferson Fisher | "Beautiful, wonderful things happen when you simply slow down the conversation." | | 21:59 | Jefferson Fisher | "Instead of 'I disagree,' change it to, 'I see things differently.'" |

Structure of a Calmer Conversation

Step-by-step approach Fisher recommends:

• First Word: Your breath—insert a conscious, calming breath before responding.
• First Thought: Quick internal scan—acknowledge your feelings or physical state.
• First Conversation: Start with small talk or a warm, neutral opener to set a collaborative tone.

Takeaways for Listeners

• Great conversations hinge on self-control, confidence (built in the moment), and connection.
• Slow down. Intentional breathing is a subtle, powerful tool to reset your nervous system and steer interactions constructively.
• Use perspective-based language ("I see things differently") to disarm tension and invite healthy exchange.

Useful Timestamps

• 02:11 — What blocks effective communication
• 04:33 — Fisher’s three principles for better conversations
• 10:43 — The role of breath in conflict
• 17:49 — Demonstration of the conversational breath exercise
• 21:59 — Language swap: "I see things differently"

In Dr Chatterjee's words:
"Just focus on the next conversation. Don't worry about the one next week or next month. Just focus on the next conversation." (21:47)

This episode is a practical masterclass in transforming arguments into real conversations—starting with control over the one thing you can always change: yourself.