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Feel Better, Live More with Dr Rangan Chatterjee
Episode #586: The Science of Sunlight: How 20 Minutes a Day Could Transform Your Mood, Energy, Sleep & Longevity
Guest: Dr. Roger Seheult
Release Date: October 14, 2025

Overview

In this episode, Dr. Rangan Chatterjee speaks with Dr. Roger Seheult (founder of MedCram, ICU physician, and professor) about the transformative and often overlooked health benefits of sunlight. Dr. Seheult passionately argues that sunlight exposure is a low-hanging fruit for improving both short-term and long-term health, rivaling the more commonly discussed pillars of health such as diet, exercise, and sleep.

The conversation delves into the science of the "three macronutrients" of sunlight (visible, ultraviolet, and infrared light), sunlight's impact on cellular energy, mood, metabolic health, longevity, and practical ways to optimize exposure—especially in modern indoor lives and in less sunny climates.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Sunlight: The Neglected Pillar of Health

• Sunlight as Essential

  • Dr. Seheult emphasizes sunlight as perhaps the single biggest, most accessible health intervention, with powerful effects on mortality, sleep, mood, inflammation, and metabolic function.
  • Quote:

    "There's no question in my mind that sunlight is that intervention."
    — Dr. Seheult (00:01 & 05:00)

• Historical Perspective

  • Sunlight was historically critical in health care, referenced by Florence Nightingale as a primary healing agent, second only to fresh air.

    "Florence Nightingale... said, number one: fresh air. But a close second... is light. Sunlight. Not just daylight, but direct sunlight."
    — Dr. Seheult (05:54)

2. The Three "Macronutrients" of Sunlight: Visible, Ultraviolet, and Infrared

• Visible Light

  • Regulates circadian rhythm and mood; deficiency linked to seasonal affective disorder (SAD).
  • Early morning sunlight helps anchor the body's clocks.

• Ultraviolet (UV) Light

  • Essential for vitamin D synthesis via skin exposure.
  • Vitamin D’s widespread immune and metabolic roles are crucial, but sunlight offers far more than just this.

• Infrared Light

  • Less discussed but potentially the most transformative: penetrates deeply into the body, recharges mitochondria (cellular "batteries"), boosts energy, and may underpin broad systemic health benefits.
  • Research shows infrared exposure can improve vision, metabolism, and potentially reduce long-term disease risk—even through clothing or in the shade.

  "Maybe this infrared light is almost charging us, so our cells and our mitochondria are actually getting charged up. And if we live indoors and we're hardly exposing ourselves to natural light, maybe many of us are running around on low charge all the time."
  — Dr. Chatterjee (31:27)

3. Modern Lifestyles: Sunlight Deficiency and Its Effects

• Indoor Living Crisis

  • Over 92% of people in developed countries now spend their time indoors, leading to widespread sunlight deficiency and possibly contributing to the explosion of chronic diseases.
  • Symptoms of sunlight deficiency: fatigue, poor sleep, increased cholesterol/triglycerides, inflammation, and more.

  "We are now primarily indoor creatures...who see the outside as being kind of wild. And... we have eliminated that portion of the solar spectrum that we considered wasteful..."
  — Dr. Seheult (40:33)

4. Scientific Evidence: Health Outcomes Improved by Sunlight

• Randomized Trials & Epidemiology

  • Sunlight linked to lower all-cause, cancer, and cardiovascular mortality.
  • Exposure to sunlight or artificial red/infrared light improves metabolic markers (e.g., insulin sensitivity, triglycerides), vision, and even speeds up recovery in hospital patients.

  "Sunlight exposure reduces the risk of all-cause mortality, it's associated with a reduction in cancer mortality, it's associated with a reduction in cardiovascular mortality."
  — Dr. Seheult (74:07)

• Infrared Light and COVID Study

  • Hospitalized COVID patients who received 15 minutes of infrared light a day saw reduced hospital stays and improved markers (66:08).

• Vision and Blood Sugar Studies

  • 15–20 minutes of infrared light improved color vision and reduced blood sugar after a glucose tolerance test (56:42).

5. Sunlight Exposure: How Much, When, and For Whom?

• How Much Is Enough?

  • As little as 15–20 minutes per day—ideally in the morning—can yield measurable health improvements.
  • Shade and indirect sunlight are still highly beneficial, especially as infrared light reflects off surfaces like leaves.

  "You can actually get outside in the shade. So long as you're surrounded by a lot of trees, it's bright, you're going to be getting much more infrared light in that environment than you are in your office."
  — Dr. Seheult (36:19)

• No Need for Sunburn

  • Benefits arise long before the risk of burning; protective adaptations (e.g., building a "solar callus") occur with regular exposure.
  • Covering up and staying in the shade is recommended for those at risk of skin cancer and still allows for significant infrared benefit (78:19).

• Climate/Latitude

  • Even on cloudy days in high latitudes, outdoor light intensity far outstrips indoor lighting in both visible and invisible spectra (115:21).
  • Artificial solutions (full-spectrum bulbs, SAD lamps, red light panels) have their place but cannot fully substitute for getting outdoors.

6. Timing Matters: Light as Chrononutrition

• Daylight vs. Artificial Light at Night

  • Health benefits occur with light exposure during the day—especially the morning. Nighttime light disrupts circadian rhythms, sleep, and metabolism, increasing disease risk (93:47).
  • Minimize screens and overhead lighting after 9pm; use low, warm lighting in the evening.

  "All of these benefits will only occur if really you're doing it when the sun is up. If you start to expose the body to light when the sun is down, that has the opposite effect."
  — Dr. Seheult (90:31)

7. Beyond Sunlight: Eight Laws/Pillars of Health

• NEWSTART Model

  • Nutrition, Exercise, Water, Sunlight, Temperance, Air, Rest, and Trust/Faith (NEWSTART).
  • Sunlight is essential, but chronic disease almost always involves multiple pillars.

  "Sunlight is just one of those laws of health that we are talking about. The others: nutrition, exercise, water, temperance, air, rest, and trust."
  — Dr. Seheult (46:06)

8. Environment Matters: Green Spaces & Trees

• Trees as Infrared Mirrors
  • Planting trees in urban spaces significantly lowered inflammation (measured by CRP) in residents and correlated with lower rates of chronic disease—even without changes in lifestyle or income (117:18).
  • Trees reflect and amplify access to healthy infrared energy even when out of direct sunlight.

Notable Quotes

• Dr. Seheult:

  • "Lack of infrared light is the scurvy of the 21st century." (42:16)
  • "Food is a general category, as is light. But there's different aspects food provides...So too is vitamin D needed for certain aspects; infrared radiation is also important." (18:25)
  • "You can have your cake and eat it too...You could go outside on a sunny day, sit in the shade, around trees, covered with clothes, wearable hat, and...get the benefits of infrared light." (74:07)

• Dr. Chatterjee:

  • "Maybe the reason we're having to restrict our diets...is because we're missing this crucial macronutrient, as you say, infrared light." (43:32)
  • "Immerse yourself in nature, get outside as often as you can, and turn off the lights at night." (121:52)

Key Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment / Topic | |-----------|----------------| | 00:01 | Dr. Seheult’s opening statement: sunlight as the most potent health intervention. | | 05:54 | Florence Nightingale and historical importance of sunlight. | | 11:41 | The three ‘macronutrients’ of sunlight: visible, UV, infrared. | | 31:27 | Sunlight as a daily ‘charging’ of mitochondria analogy. | | 36:19 | How much sunlight is enough—and shade/indirect light still beneficial. | | 40:33 | Dr. Seheult’s personal routine and the shift to climate-controlled, indoor lives. | | 46:06 | Eight pillars (NEWSTART) and viewing health holistically. | | 56:42 | Infrared light studies: vision, metabolism, and indirect (abscopal) effects. | | 66:08 | Red/infrared light and immune function: COVID study. | | 74:07 | Population-level data: sunlight, melanoma, and mortality. | | 93:47 | The risks of light at night, circadian disruption, and mortality data. | |104:32 | Practical sunlight strategies for everyone (“get outside, even in the shade”). | |108:49 | Oxford/Leiden study: sunlight changes metabolic markers in 7 days. | |117:18 | Green Heart Project—planting trees and reducing inflammation. | |121:52 | Final practical takeaways: get into nature, outdoors, and sleep in darkness. |

Practical Takeaways

Daily Sunlight “Prescription”

• Aim for 15–20 minutes outdoors daily; more is not always better (“biphasic effect”).
• Prioritize morning exposure to maximize circadian benefits and mood; shade is fine.
• Where possible, avoid blocking windows with “low E” glass that filters out infrared.
• In winter/high latitude or for those unable to get outside, consider:
  • SAD lamps (10,000 lux, 20 minutes in the morning for mood/circadian rhythm—not infrared benefit).
  • Infrared/red light panels as supplementary only, especially during winter months.

Avoiding Sunlight Pitfalls

• Avoid sunburn; build up exposure gradually.
• People with skin cancer risk can still benefit by covering up and/or using shaded spaces rich in reflected infrared.

Light Hygiene at Night

• Reduce overhead and blue light after 9pm; favor dim, warm (incandescent-style) light sources.
• Avoid screens before bed; if necessary, use blue-light filters or red-shifted lighting.

Environmental & Community-Level Actions

• Spend time in green spaces/around trees for amplified infrared and additional health benefits.
• Advocate for green urban environments and maintain access to outdoor spaces.

Memorable Moments

• Florence Nightingale’s emphasis on sunlight as medicine (05:54).
• Dr. Seheult’s analogy:
  “Lack of infrared light is the scurvy of the 21st century.” (42:16)
• Dr. Chatterjee’s practical summary:
  “Immerse yourself in nature, get outside as often as you can, and turn off the lights at night.” (121:52)

Concluding Message

Sunlight is not merely about vitamin D—it's an essential, daily “nutrient” for your mitochondria, mood, immunity, sleep, and longevity. The science is converging on a simple public health message: get outside every day, even for short periods and even in the shade or cloudy weather. Rethink artificial indoor environments, become conscious of your light exposure especially after dark, and rediscover the powerful, free medicine overhead.

For more from Dr. Roger Seheult:

• MedCram YouTube Channel
• medcram.com
• Twitter/X: @RogerSeheult