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In this episode, Lindsay talks with Elaine Howard Ecklund (Rice University) to talk about the intersection of faith and work and why it matters in the places we spend most of our lives. We dig into insights from her new book, co-written with Denise Daniels (Wheaton College), Working for Better: a New Approach to Faith at Work. We talk about her research on how people experience calling in their jobs and what it takes to create systemic change. Elaine and Lindsay explore how leaders and congregations can foster environments where faith isn’t just something we carry to church on Sunday, but something we live out every day, helping workplaces become more redemptive for everyone. Takeaways Faith can actually make us more committed and effective at work. Everyday employees have the power to shift workplace culture from the inside. Churches/clergy can help people thrive professionally, not just spiritually. Field Note: For leaders in the workplace, take the time to understand the specific challenges at work. Find a group of trusted peers (at church for example) and create the space to thoughtfully address similar challenges. For clergy, get to know the kind of work your congregants do and the challenges they face each day. This will have an impact on workplaces and help people bring more of themselves to both their work environment and church. Resources and links Elaine Howard Eckland’s website: https://www.elainehowardecklund.com/ Working for Better book with InterVarsity Press: https://www.ivpress.com/working-for-better SLI’s Spiritual Leadership Generator Tool: https://www.spiritual-leadership.org/leadershipgenerator/ Head to spiritual-leadership.org to take a look at resources for ministry leaders.

Melissa Meiner’s story is one where faith, music, and leadership keep weaving together in unexpected ways. From a single invitation that reshaped her family’s faith, to discovering her own calling through music and worship. She talks about what it means to lead across different church settings, the power of hospitality, and why unlearning is sometimes just as important as learning. Takeaways Creativity plants seeds of calling, often before we notice. Spiritual formation grows in honesty and shared stories. Calling needs community - surround yourself with people who see it in you. Episode field note: At the center of leadership is love. Never forget your first love. Resources and links Melissa's Campus Website: https://www.bayhope.church/trinity-campus Follow SLI: @spiritualleadershipinc This episode is brought to you by Spiritual Leadership, Inc Head to spiritual-leadership.org to take a look at resources for ministry leaders.

In this episode, Lindsay talks with Bryan Sallee, a pastor in Eagle River, Alaska, about what it really takes to cultivate a culture of discipleship in the everyday life of the church. From the challenges of small church leadership to the power of team-based ministry, Bryan shares what he's learning about adaptive leadership, navigating conflict, and building trust. Takeaways Adaptive challenges can’t be solved with yesterday’s strategies. Discipleship isn’t a pipeline, it’s an ecosystem. Transformation is best measured through stories Field Note: What Are You Willing to Do Within You? In ministry, it’s easy to chase the big idea. To look out at the future, name the vision, and start sprinting toward it. But what if the real work starts with this question: What are you willing to do within you? As Eugene Peterson says, this is a long obedience in the same direction. And that kind of obedience doesn’t come quickly. Resources and links Bryan’s church website: https://skylinefamily.com/ Follow SLI: @spiritualleadershipinc This episode is brought to you by Spiritual Leadership, Inc Head to spiritual-leadership.org to take a look at resources for ministry leaders.

Summary In this conversation, Dr. Arianna Molloy talks about what happens when our deep sense of calling starts to wear thin. She shares her own story of discovering what a healthy calling looks like and how burnout, when left unchecked, can unravel our identity. Arianna reframes calling not as a personal mission to chase but as a relational act. She walks through the signs of burnout, boundaries and why rest is essential. Takeaways Burnout isn’t all or nothing but creeps in gradually, and recognizing where we are on the spectrum is part of healing. Burnout from calling can cut deep. It can distort your sense of identity and connection to God. Rest isn’t what happens after the work, it’s part of the work. Episode field note: Don’t despise the process of slowing down. Rest isn’t the absence of work, it’s a vital part of it. Healthy leaders know that excellent work and excellent work together. Resources and links Arianna’s book, Healthy Calling: IV Press Arianna’s website: https://www.ariannamolloy.com/ Follow SLI: @spiritualleadershipinc This episode is brought to you by Spiritual Leadership, Inc Head to spiritual-leadership.org to take a look at resources for ministry leaders.