Nest Sessions: Genevieve Schatz on being clairvoyant

Summary

Flightless Bird – "Nest Sessions: Genevieve Schatz on Being Clairvoyant"

Host: David Farrier
Guests: Genevieve Schatz, Rob
Air Date: April 2, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this special "Nest Sessions" edition of Flightless Bird, journalist David Farrier sits down with singer-songwriter, poet, and clairvoyant Genevieve Schatz (former lead singer of Company of Thieves). The episode explores Genevieve’s multifaceted life—from her musical journey and motherhood to her work as a professional clairvoyant—while also delving into uniquely American snacks and the deep connections between intuition, personal growth, and creativity. With warmth and gentle humor, the conversation is both intimate and expansive, demystifying clairvoyance while reflecting on music, identity, and the search for belonging.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Genevieve’s Many Hats

[00:26]

• Introduces herself as “a human woman, mother of two young children. Currently, the things that I'm doing include meditating, writing music, poetry, singing, giving clairvoyant readings as a psychic… studying child development... starring in a play written by my mom in Carpinteria as Cinderella.”
• Play described as a comedic, therapeutic take on fairy tales, with characters who’ve become self-aware through therapy.

2. Longstanding Friendship with Rob

[01:33]

• Genevieve and cohost Rob have known each other for about 20 years.
• She praises Rob’s evolving emotional availability and gift for making others feel safe and comfortable.
  • Quote: “Somehow you've become more available to more people… you allow other people to be very comfortable in their own skin.” (Genevieve, [03:01])

3. American Snack Segment: The Taste of Chicago

[05:02]

• Genevieve introduces David to Chicago’s iconic three-flavored popcorn tin: cheddar, caramel, and butter.
  • “People in Chicago will line up around the block.” (Genevieve, [05:38])
• Discussion expands to food as cultural identity: popcorn’s Native American roots, its use as decoration, its role as Illinois’ official state snack, and differences in popcorn’s popularity between the US and NZ.
• Gift of heart-shaped Lou Malnati's deep-dish pizza reflects Chicago’s food culture and Genevieve’s gratitude for the invitation.

4. Genevieve’s Musical Roots

[09:52]

• Early memories include listening to The Beatles, Beach Boys, jazz (Billie Holiday, Ella Fitzgerald, Nina Simone) with her dad.
• Father’s influence: built a high school radio station, DJ’d at Q101 (“alternative rock station in Chicago”).
• “His love of music and specifically like bands… was my en route to his heart. It’s always been… a way to bond with him.” (Genevieve, [10:37])
• Discusses challenges and gender stereotypes faced in the music industry as a female vocalist.
  • “They would say, like, okay, everyone, here's your pass. As in, like, are you the merch girl? … I'm the lead singer. Thank you very much.” (Genevieve, [12:09])
• Her stage persona: Vulnerability vs. power—admitting that trying to “push through” barriers sometimes led to physical strain.
  • Rob: “Her on stage was so captivating… like, you would control the entire room when you were up there singing.” ([13:14])

5. Journey into Clairvoyance

[16:53]–[22:06]

• Early signs: As a child, could sense emotional truths behind her parents’ words during their divorce; only later realized not everyone navigates reality that way.
• Uses visions and dreams in songwriting, unaware it was “clairvoyance.”
• “Clairvoyance just means clear seeing… the part of you that can see vision, that has an inner vision.” ([19:34])
• Burnout on tour: her empathic abilities made her take on others’ pain, resulting in chronic sickness (bronchitis) until she learned to protect her energy.
• Pivotal moment: An out-of-body experience (possibly an “astral projection”) while witnessing a distraught puppy and its owner in a park, affirmed by a casual encounter with a psychic friend.
  • “I was literally like, should I get locked up? Like, something’s really wrong…” (Genevieve, [25:05])

6. Studying and Practicing Clairvoyance

[25:40]–[34:36]

• Attended Envision, a psychic school in Chicago—a “Hogwarts”-like experience teaching grounding, meditation, aura reading, chakra balancing, and energy protection.
• Describes various forms of psychic ability (e.g., clairsentience, clairaudience), explains aura reading, and the importance of neutrality and consent.
• Learning to separate her own emotions/thoughts from others’ energy, tuning chakras for balance and protection.
  • “I learned how to read Life Force Energy… what was my shit… and what was actually coming from this other being’s life and space.” (Genevieve, [29:59])

7. Integrating Clairvoyance & Music

[33:17]

• Clairvoyant training allows her to listen and write music more discerningly—sensing how different songs resonate with different chakras/energies.
• Lyrics have become more conversational and honest.
  • “I think I used to be really afraid to be seen in my lyrics. I was very excited to be heard in my singing, but now… I’m able to kind of like, come forward and be seen in my lyrics more.” (Genevieve, [34:33])

8. Coming Out as Clairvoyant

[35:00]–[36:12]

• Few in her life know about her psychic work; she’s cautious to share unless she senses receptivity.
• Gives readings in-person, over the phone, via text, and through the Sanctuary app (described as “Uber for psychics”).
  • “Since November of 2020, I've given, like, over 5,000 readings… from people all over the world… it’s so unifying.” (Genevieve, [36:46])

9. Demystifying Psychic Practice

[41:35]–[45:31]

• Explains structure of an in-person aura reading—grounding, chakras, energetic boundaries, consent.
• Seven layers of the aura are described, each linked to a major chakra and aspect of personal experience.
• Discusses aura photography: acknowledges scientific ambiguity but values the symbolic, unifying power of the imagery.
  • “Is it real? Why not?... It’s a cool fucking photo.” (Genevieve, [45:26])

10. Music and Transformation

[47:47]–[49:16]

• Genevieve introduces three unreleased songs: "Butterfly" (about inner transformation), "Super Ultraviolet Love" (about connecting with one’s eternal essence), and "Shine Bright, Be a Light to the World" (about being the light in dark spaces).
  • “Butterfly… is about getting in touch with the part of us that feels like a young, innocent inner child that is maybe afraid to fully let go, to become more than what you could even imagine you could be.” (Genevieve, [47:52])
  • “Super Ultraviolet Love… about connecting with your eternal essence and remembering… what you’re made of.”
  • “Shine Bright… inspired by a Krishnamurti quote… get in touch with yourself so you can bring that inner light out.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Rob’s Character:
  • “You allow other people to be very comfortable in their own skin.” (Genevieve, [03:01])
• On American Snacks:
  • “In the US, [popcorn] is the number one most popular snack. In Illinois, it is the official snack.” (Genevieve, [07:06])
• On Gender Barriers in Music:
  • “Are you the merch girl? … I'm the lead singer. Thank you very much.” (Genevieve, [12:09])
• On Spiritual Experience:
  • “I was literally like, should I get locked up? Like, something’s really wrong…” (Genevieve, [25:05])
• On Clairvoyance:
  • “Clairvoyance just means clear seeing.” (Genevieve, [19:34])
  • “Aura reading… the first layer of your aura… deals with your safety, security and survival space.” (Genevieve, [40:15])
• On Music after Psychic Training:
  • “It allows me to listen in a much more discerning way because I can understand now why something might appeal to me based on where it lights me up in my energy system.” (Genevieve, [33:17])
• On Unifying Human Themes:
  • “It has been so clarif of the kinds of themes that we explore as humans, as people. It's so incredibly unifying, actually.” (Genevieve, [36:56])
• On Aura Photography:
  • “Is it real? Why not?… It’s a cool fucking photo.” (Genevieve, [45:26])
• On “Butterfly” Song:
  • “It's about getting in touch with the part of us that feels like a young, innocent inner child that is maybe afraid to fully let go, to become more than what you could even imagine you could be.” (Genevieve, [47:52])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Genevieve’s Introduction, Talents, and Play: [00:26]–[01:17]
• Genevieve & Rob’s Longstanding Friendship: [01:33]–[03:46]
• Chicago Popcorn & Deep Dish Pizza Discussion: [04:44]–[09:37]
• Genevieve’s Musical Background: [09:52]–[13:33]
• Female Vocalists & Industry Barriers: [11:30]–[12:51]
• First Signs of Clairvoyance: [16:53]–[18:02]
• Defining Clairvoyance & Types of Intuition: [19:34]–[20:24]
• Astral Projection & Psychic School: [22:05]–[29:13]
• Music, Clairvoyance, and Lyrical Honesty: [33:17]–[34:36]
• Coming Out as a Clairvoyant: [35:00]–[36:12]
• Global Clientele (“Uber for Psychics”): [36:03]–[36:56]
• Aura Reading & Spiritual Practice: [40:15]–[41:35]
• Aura Photography & Shared Language: [43:47]–[45:31]
• Introduction to Unreleased Songs: [47:47]–[49:16]

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Tone and Style

The episode is open-hearted, curious, and gently humorous. David’s skeptical but non-judgmental Kiwi sensibility balances Genevieve’s soulful, earnest take on music and the intuitive arts. Rob, as both an old friend and American cohost, brings warmth and authentic connection.

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Conclusion

Genevieve Schatz's interview provides a fascinating window into the intersection of creativity, intuition, and the pursuit of authenticity. Whether discussing Chicago food, rock venues, or psychic boundaries, the episode consistently circles back to themes of empathy, presence, and transformation—made all the more vivid through Genevieve’s unreleased music and candid storytelling.

Transcript

[Host]

Foreign.

[Interviewer]

We're going to start with a very simple question.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Okay.

[Interviewer]

I'd just love to know your name and in your own description of yourself, what it is that you do.

[Genevieve Schatz]

My full name is Genevieve Schatz.

[Interviewer]

Great name.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Thank you. I am a human woman, mother of two young children. Currently, the things that I'm doing include meditating, writing music, poetry, singing, giving clairvoyant readings as a psychic, you know. Yeah. An intuitive clairvoyant person. I also am studying child development.

[Interviewer]

Oh my God. These are so many things. Yeah, this is a big list.

[Genevieve Schatz]

I'm also starring in a play that my mom just wrote that is getting a world premiere in Carpinteria.

[Interviewer]

Oh, that's really cute.

[Genevieve Schatz]

As Cinderella.

[Interviewer]

Is it a very serious play or a light hearted.

[Genevieve Schatz]

It's a comedy. It is a fairy tale play where all of the roles have become self aware from going to therapy. Like the big bad wolf, Little Red.

[Interviewer]

Oh, that's really fun.

[Genevieve Schatz]

It's so funny.

[Interviewer]

Who do you play?

[Genevieve Schatz]

Cinderella. Yeah.

[Interviewer]

And you've known Rob for a while, right? Not to go too behind the scenes, but how long have you known this man for? Roughly?

[Genevieve Schatz]

Probably 20, almost 20 years.

[Interviewer]

Oh, my God.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

I don't want to go too far down this path, but I'm curious, has he changed a lot over that time or is it the same? Because in New Zealand we always have this ins. You've changed. Whereas obviously we all change. But I always find it so funny thinking about people that have known each other for a long time, if they have changed.

[Genevieve Schatz]

I would say that the essence of Rob is so purely still the same.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. You still Rob.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yeah. It's just like Rob, you've changed in the sense that you've expanded your capacity to offer your resources and help. You know, it's like you've always been somebody who wanted to champion the best in people and like bring out their gifts and support people. You know, just who's gonna be hating this?

[Interviewer]

But you're so right.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Sharing their gifts and you know, you've changed in the sense that like somehow you've become more available to more people.

[Interviewer]

And I've experienced this, but he's helped me so much here.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yes.

[Interviewer]

It's insane. This is exactly what. This is what he does.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yes. Such a beautiful, wonderful human.

[Rob]

Thank you.

[Genevieve Schatz]

I told Rob, even when we were younger, like two decades ago, I remember one of the most remarkable things was just how safe I felt around Rob. And. Yeah. You allow other people to be very comfortable in their own skin and then you get to know them deeply because of that. Yeah. They kind of come out from hiding

[Interviewer]

and, you know, I couldn't agree more.

[Genevieve Schatz]

I could go on and on.

[Interviewer]

No, no. Whoever's cutting this, make sure the camera remains on Rob's face that entire time. But now I can pick that up. The first time I met Rob was on a Zoom for Armchair, and I was very nervous and he instantly makes you feel at home and chill.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yes.

[Interviewer]

Okay. But back at you.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Okay.

[Rob]

Genevieve was in a band called Company of Thieves at that time.

[Genevieve Schatz]

There we go.

[Rob]

And I remember the first time I saw you sing, really, was at the Union in Naperville.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Wow.

[Interviewer]

Is that Chicago?

[Rob]

Outside of Chicago. And then we went for ice cream afterwards.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Was that a mint chip day or like chocolate chip cookie dough day?

[Interviewer]

I love mint chip. It's the best flavor.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Me too.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, it's the best one. Controversial. Some people think it tastes like toothpaste.

[Genevieve Schatz]

I agree.

[Interviewer]

I disagree.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Classic vanilla.

[Interviewer]

Hell yeah. Green.

[Rob]

It's Calvin's favorite flavor now, but yeah.

[Interviewer]

So you met back then via music?

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm so happy to see you incorporating music into this podcast because it's been a long time coming. Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. It's been really fun putting this together, actually. So thank you for coming in and doing this.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Thank you for having me.

[Interviewer]

Now we're going to talk about your very specific area of expertise besides music, which is clairvoyance.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yes.

[Interviewer]

But firstly, I am kind of hungry and you were bought in. Part of the show is bringing in sort of a unique American food that I haven't experienced. And you have some kind of tin sitting on the table and I'm wondering what you brought in.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Okay, well, you have probably experienced this, but it is.

[Interviewer]

I'll decide.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Okay.

[Rob]

It's very Chicago. I know instantly what it is.

[Interviewer]

I feel like looking at that tin, I feel like there's some kind of cookie. That's what that says to me as a New Zealander. Like, I see a tin like that and it's usually like a Christmas cookie that comes out.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Well, one third of it will have the sweetness of a cookie.

[Interviewer]

Okay. Is it like. What is it like a cake cookie? A chip? I don't know. I don't know. Well, but it's fucking massive, whatever it is.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Get it popped. Corn.

[Rob]

Chicago born.

[Genevieve Schatz]

People in Chicago will line up.

[Interviewer]

Oh, my God.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Around the block.

[Interviewer]

This is a giant vat of three different flavors of popcorn.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yes. Yes. This is cheddar cheese made with real cheddar kettle caramel corn and then buttered popcorn.

[Interviewer]

And this is a Chicago made treat.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yes. Since the forties and family owned. They bake small batches fresh, and then they send it to you. Like the day that they.

[Interviewer]

I mean, this smells amazing.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Good. It's very good.

[Interviewer]

Do you have a preference on the flavor in here?

[Genevieve Schatz]

I like all three.

[Rob]

Yeah. You get a mix.

[Genevieve Schatz]

The classic Chicago mix is this classic over here. The caramel with the cheddar.

[Host]

Yes.

[Interviewer]

So what have I just had this

[Genevieve Schatz]

one that's the buttery.

[Interviewer]

The butter. Butter. Delicious cheddar. Yeah. Good, right? Really good.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Really good.

[Rob]

Have you had cheddar popcorn?

[Interviewer]

Never in my life. It's the first. Is that a Chicago thing or just. This is Chicago's version of a cheddar corn.

[Genevieve Schatz]

The Chicago thing is the cheddar with the caramel. That's like. And I was thinking, you know, a uniquely American snack. Like, obviously corn has longstanding roots, indigenous in the Americas, Central and South America.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Genevieve Schatz]

But in the US it is the number one most popular snack. In Illinois, it is the official snack.

[Interviewer]

Oh, really?

[Genevieve Schatz]

Is it the state that we grew up in?

[Interviewer]

Because, I mean, I purely associate popcorn with the movies. Like, that's what it means in New Zealand, all it is is movies, which I still have. Obviously. It's still a thing here, but it extends beyond that. In the U.S. yes.

[Genevieve Schatz]

They use it for decorative purposes.

[Interviewer]

So. Say again? Decorative.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yeah, like the natives. All kinds of stuff. It's sewn into headdresses.

[Interviewer]

Holy shit. That sweet guy. That caramel.

[Genevieve Schatz]

It's so good.

[Rob]

Caramel pop, not caramel popcorn.

[Interviewer]

This good. Do you want a little bit?

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yeah. I was thinking about how in modern day US popcorn is always just like, entertain me, you know?

[Interviewer]

Oh.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Ha ha. I'm gonna sit back and, like, observe. You know, I'm gonna be passively observing this thing while I'm just crunching away.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Genevieve Schatz]

So it seemed like a fun wonder bringing.

[Interviewer]

Thank you.

[Genevieve Schatz]

This is freaking delicious and more fun. No offense, Garretts. I brought you guys.

[Interviewer]

Oh.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Heart shaped Lou Malnati's deep dish cheese pizzas that you can take home and make. Okay.

[Interviewer]

These are being delivered from off camera.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Okay.

[Interviewer]

Oh, my God. Okay, so explain. Okay, so explain this, because I feel like Valentine's Day has just been and gone in America. This isn't Valentine's Day related.

[Genevieve Schatz]

No. They have these, you know, you can get them year round for special dates. I just felt so grateful that you invited me here, so I wanted to give you an extra silly shape for this pizza.

[Interviewer]

This is really cute.

[Genevieve Schatz]

It's so yummy.

[Interviewer]

So you can get these year round. Just a heart Shaped pizza and they

[Rob]

ship them all over the country. So when we did Chicago, we did a live show there. And the three days leading up, we had so much deep dish pizza.

[Host]

Yum.

[Rob]

Oh, alf, the fridge was like we could only have like half a slice at each pizza.

[Interviewer]

It was so intense.

[Genevieve Schatz]

It's so good.

[Interviewer]

So. But just quickly, this brand is like a local loved brand.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yes, in Chicago.

[Interviewer]

Oh, thank you so much.

[Genevieve Schatz]

And they also have like cornmeal in their crust or something. It's insane. It's so good.

[Interviewer]

What is healthier? Me consuming one heart shaped pizza or this entire vat of popcorn? Any idea?

[Genevieve Schatz]

I think it's all a state of mind.

[Rob]

Yeah, I like that popcorn's a vegetable.

[Genevieve Schatz]

I'd go with the pizza. I think it's. Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Now wait, just before we get into the clairvoyance, tell me a little bit about how you got into music. Was that. Cause we're gonna hear some songs from you shortly. But how did. Was that like from deep rooted childhood or did it come later?

[Genevieve Schatz]

My earliest memories are just listening to vinyl records on my dad's Victrola speaker.

[Interviewer]

What bands?

[Genevieve Schatz]

The Beatles, the Beach Boys, Jazz, Lots of jazz. Like Billie Holiday and Ella Fitzgerald and even, you know, getting into like Nina Simone and. Yeah.

[Interviewer]

And were you sort of singing along or Always?

[Genevieve Schatz]

Definitely my dad, when he was younger, he helped build the radio station at his high school that is still up and running today. And he was a DJ on a radio station called Q101, which was like the alternative rock station in Chicago.

[Interviewer]

Oh, so your dad was like, cool.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yes, it was a good station.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Genevieve Schatz]

But then that was like before I was ever born. But his love of music and specifically like bands and stuff was kind of my en route to his heart. So it was like a great way to, you know, bond with him. And it's always been. Yeah, a big component of me, like getting in touch with my own masculine energy and my own inner father archetype and all that stuff.

[Interviewer]

We were joking about this earlier, before we were rolling, but Rob and I had this ongoing thing where I only listened to male vocalists just because I grew up in metal. And I'm just a put my cards on the table. I'm like a very basic metalhead from New Zealand. So I grew up listening to Tool, Deftones, Nine Inch Nails, you know, that kind of stuff. Just very, you know.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

And so that's why I always listen to these like male vocalists. And I'm just saying this because my point is being a female in music and going into the world of music was that tricky and difficult. I imagine it. Imagine it's a different experience going in being a female vocalist to a male vocalist. I'm sure we've got people like me going like, yeah, men.

[Genevieve Schatz]

You know, it's really silly. I mean, of course, everyone's experience is totally different, but I did often find that, you know, going into a venue with my punk rock bands, they would say, like, okay, everyone, here's your pass. As in, like, are you the merch girl?

[Interviewer]

Oh, my God.

[Genevieve Schatz]

And I would be like, I'm the lead singer. Thank you very much.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. People always deflecting to the males around you.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yes.

[Rob]

You always had a real rock and roll band with you, too.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yeah.

[Rob]

Which even broke the conventions even more.

[Genevieve Schatz]

That's true. And people would have a hard time kind of knowing how to actually just receive what was happening. They would often be like, there's a couple females I can think of to compare her to. And they would just drop the number one, you know, ones that were playing on the radio at the time. And. And I'd always think, like, I'm nothing. I don't sound like them. Yeah, they're wonderful.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. But that's not me.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Did you enjoy pushing through that, or was it a pain in the ass?

[Genevieve Schatz]

I think I hurt myself physically to try to push through that, actually.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Genevieve Schatz]

I think I tried to sing harder and longer and louder, and I think I was afraid to actually be vulnerable enough to show my gentle vibration.

[Rob]

But I will say, her on stage was so captivating.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Rob]

Like, you would control the entire room when you were up there singing. It was a special thing to see.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. I've seen videos, like, on YouTube. I haven't seen you perform live before, but, yeah, I completely see that.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Genevieve Schatz]

No, it was a wonderful experience, and I think it was the only way that I could have gone. It was amazing to grow up in Chicago and to have a rock band and to play those venues and to also ride the wave and get out of the city, you know, for being on tour and just going around and sharing music and having that be a way to have a conversation with someone or break the ice with someone.

[Interviewer]

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[Genevieve Schatz]

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[Genevieve Schatz]

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[Interviewer]

Did you make it to Down Under? To New Zealand and Australia?

[Genevieve Schatz]

Not yet.

[Interviewer]

Okay. It's still gonna happen.

[Genevieve Schatz]

That would be awesome.

[Interviewer]

We'll sort it out.

[Genevieve Schatz]

That'd be. We'll sort it out.

[Interviewer]

There's no natural pivot into this. But obviously in every episode we do of new sessions, like to talk to an amazing American musician about something specific they know that's not music related at all. And I understand. Clairvoyance. Clairvoyance. Clairvoyance. I can't even say the word. Is something that you specialize in.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Something that I know very little about. I feel like the closest I have. Very early on in Flightless Bird, I went to a town in Florida that was just built of spiritualists.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Okay.

[Interviewer]

And they dealt with communicating with people that had passed on. That was the whole thing was that

[Rob]

with the devil Chair.

[Interviewer]

They had the devil chair in that particular. There's a particular landmark that we couldn't talk about in that episode. Or they'd run me out of town. But that's a side dish.

[Rob]

Yeah. Now we can say it that way.

[Interviewer]

Now we can say it.

[Genevieve Schatz]

So what is this devil chair?

[Rob]

It's a chair in a graveyard.

[Interviewer]

It's a chair in a graveyard. It's very spiritually charged. And part of the agreement, me interviewing spiritualists in that town was that I couldn't mention the devil's chair.

[Rob]

We had to bleep it.

[Interviewer]

We had to bleep it out.

[Genevieve Schatz]

That's so interesting.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Let's not bring up the shadow aspect.

[Interviewer]

It was actually a really intense episode because I had to sign like a document saying I wouldn't talk about certain things. And that town was pretty. I remember it was like everyone would drop back cats there to abandon them and all the spiritualists would adopt these cats and look after them, which was bawla. They had a lot of vultures because their local tip just had a lot of vultures. And it was a town full of spiritualists. So I walked into this tiny town. Spiritualists, vultures, and a fuck ton of cats. And it was a wild vibe, very long winded way of just saying, like, that's the last time I thought about people communicating with like something that's not in front of us. And that's the end of my very long winded segue. I Like that to finding out about. I want to know how you got into this and what it means.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Okay. I have a way of connecting it to the music, writing songs. I always used visions that I had, whether it was from meditations or dreams or just emotions that I was trying to work through. And I would sort of see a picture. I didn't know that it was called clairvoyance. It was just a thing that I had access to. And it wasn't until I went on tour with my band all over the US That I really had it, like, blown back open from childhood. Cause it was always something when I was a kid that I had. But I thought that everyone navigated reality that way. I didn't realize that that was, like, not something where, you know, you can say, picture an apple, and, you know, everyone you think can picture an apple of some kind and they could describe it. Some people, like, their mouths will start salivating, but some people just can't picture an apple.

[Interviewer]

No. And you think that your experience is the same as everyone else's?

[Genevieve Schatz]

Totally.

[Interviewer]

It's like some people don't have an internal voice. Other people do. And you don't think that everyone is different to you.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yes. And actually, around the age of like, 4 to 7 is when you develop that ability. So if something kind of tragic or challenging happens in your life at that time, you don't have the safe place to start to have conversations outside with other people, to develop your inner voice, because your thinking. Right. Develops through conversation. So if you find someone who's constantly narrating out loud all the time, and it's usually something in that age range.

[Interviewer]

So when you were a kid, how did it show up that you were experiencing something that other kids weren't? Like, when you look back in hindsight,

[Genevieve Schatz]

it came from my parents getting divorced and just spending time with them in intimate settings where they were saying things. But I was able to sense, like, feel emotionally other things that they weren't saying, and then getting images of things that they were handling in their space and just trying to kind of sort through what was. What it was like. Oh, they're not really sharing the full story. Didn't know why. Of course, it wasn't appropriate. But I was able to see and feel other things. So it was like this kind of, like, you know, gift that came out of all of that tension.

[Interviewer]

Wait, so wind it straight back then. For people like me that are completely ignorant to this, what clairvoyance. Is it looking into someone else's mind, or is it looking into the mind of people that have, like, passed away. I don't understand, like, what it is, like, I don't get it.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Clairvoyance just means clear seeing. So in the realm of psychic stuff, there's all different kinds of gifts. There's, like, you know, clair smelling, clairvoyance, clairaudience, where you can hear things. Clairsentience, Clair feeling. It's just intuition.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, gotcha.

[Genevieve Schatz]

And so clairvoyance is really about the third eye. So it's the sixth chakra in the center of your head, the pineal gland. And it's the part of you that can see vision, that has an inner vision. So reading minds, different. Different thing. Mediumship reading those who have crossed over into another realm or those who have died or passed on another thing.

[Interviewer]

Okay, Ignore my whole spiritualist rant. I had no idea from 10 minutes ago.

[Genevieve Schatz]

I love it.

[Interviewer]

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Genevieve Schatz]

So when I went on tour with the band, I was meeting people from all over the country, and because I was sharing music, they felt compelled to come up to me and share their life stories or maybe, like, the very acute challenge that they were in at the time or something that, like, helped them transform. And I was, like, getting inundated with people's stuff, and I did not have my clairvoyance turned on, which is my vision. I actually was, like, in my super empathy mode as an empath. And so I was getting sick all the time, like, on the road. We were just traveling, you know, every night going to a different place, exhausted. I was exhausted. I was emotionally absorbing all these people's stuff. I was getting bronchitis, which is linked to the lungs, which is about grief. So I was, like, kind of holding onto grief for other people and then moving to the next city and bringing more and more and more. And I would get this, like, chronic bronchitis. And I was, like, you know, miserable

[Interviewer]

thing to behave while you're trying to perform.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yeah, it was horrible. And I sang through bronchitis.

[Rob]

The neti pot.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yes. Doing the neti pot. You know, breathing in vapor, like nebulizer. But so. So there was a point in 2012 when I was, like, kind of on the edge of the band. We were on. We were on a hiatus. We were taking a break. And I'm just gonna tell you how I really got into this.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, no, please. No.

[Genevieve Schatz]

It's really bizarre. Okay. So Chris and I were at a park in Chicago, and we were just, you know, taking a walk, and we were leaning against this chain link fence and just sort of like, having a conversation, but not looking at each other. We were looking at the people in the park. And all across the field, there was this man with his little puppy that he was trying to train. And he was getting so frustrated with this sweet, innocent little puppy. And he started yelling at him, and he was just freaking out. And I was just gently holding onto the chain link fence, and I felt myself, like, me as a being, my spirit kind of leave my body. So my body was holding onto the fence, talking to Chris, and I felt myself rushing forward, running through the field to get up to the puppy and

[Interviewer]

like, just gently, just like, you're okay.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yeah, Pet his ear.

[Interviewer]

You're not in trouble.

[Genevieve Schatz]

You did such a good job. I know you're trying to listen. I know it's hard. And I had this whole moment. It happened like in a blink of an eye.

[Interviewer]

Wow, what a trip.

[Genevieve Schatz]

And then I realized back at the fence that the puppy had been able to sit for its owner. And the puppy and its owner were staring at me from across the field because he was listening to his owner. And I was like, I had this back of my body and I was like, oh, my God. And I was like, do you see the puppy? Because we were both very upset about the puppy getting this.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Having a horrible time.

[Genevieve Schatz]

And he was like, yeah. And I was like, that was me. That was me. It was because I went across the field and I just went. And I just, like, worked with the puppy to get it to listen to its owner, and now they're staring at me. And I was just like, you know what I mean? And it was such a wild feeling. I didn't know what it was. I felt ungrounded. I was jittery and shaky. I was excited. And I also felt like, what the hell just happened? What the heck is going on? And at that exact moment, an old friend of mine was walking down the street and she's like, hey, it's so good to see you guys. And how's it going? What's going on? And I just blurted it out. I was like, hi, it's good to see you. This is so weird. I just. We were standing here and I saw, you know, I went across the field and I came back, you know, like, do I sound crazy? And she just, totally nonchalant, was like, oh, you just astral projected across the field. You must be psychic. You know, you could really learn to, like, hone those skills. There's actually a school on this street on Clark street, like a few blocks that way called Envision. And it's, you know, a place where you can develop your psychic abilities. You should check it out sometime. Gives me a huge hug. Just like, the biggest boon. Like, she just threw me a bone. I mean, I was literally like, should I get locked up? Like, something's really wrong.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Any other friend would be like, what the fuck are you talking about? Yeah, yeah.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Turns out she goes to that psychic school as well. She knows about it because she goes there.

[Interviewer]

Holy shit.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Hadn't seen her in years.

[Interviewer]

So this was like a fork in the road.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yes.

[Interviewer]

Almost like this was like a new thing.

[Genevieve Schatz]

This was an awakening.

[Interviewer]

And how far into your music career was this? You were like, touring all over the place.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Doing that life and then this thing arrives.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yeah, it was like, six years into, you know, playing live shows and touring.

[Interviewer]

And so you enrolled in the school?

[Genevieve Schatz]

I did. It was a building on Clark street that. It was on the third floor. It was a walk up, and my gosh, it was like Hogwarts. Like, you got in and there were, like, 10 teachers that were all very distinct and very beautiful and strange and alluring and kind of scary. Yeah. In a crowd you'd be like, okay, what's going on with that person? And they all had different specialties. There was, like, intuition, which is just knowing. There was, you know, classes on being an empath, which is just clear feeling where, like, you know, you walk into a room and your stomach feels strange and you're like, something's off. Someone's, like, in an argument. There was clairvoyance, where you learn how to convert the feeling into images. So, like, a way of describing energy in a symbolic image or a color or a vibration. And there was like, learning how to, you know, like, talk to your pet. Like, telepathy. It was so amazing. And, yeah, I went and I took just, like, a meditation, a psychic meditation class. Just like the first class to learn how to sit in a room full of people with your eyes closed. That was such a big deal for me. I was like, oh, my God, I've never felt safe enough to sit in a room of strangers and close my eyes.

[Interviewer]

Like, yeah, it's a weird thing to do.

[Genevieve Schatz]

What the heck is going to happen? Yeah. Going to attack me or something.

[Interviewer]

It's not something you do on tour.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Definitely not. And, yeah, just learned how to essentially say hello to myself. Like, you say hello to your body from you, the infinite eternal being, which is spirit. And then you say from your body, like, hello, spirit. And then you do, like, a scan of your body to kind of. Kind of get a. Like, a what's what, and maybe notice where there's tension or where you need to breathe into. And then from there, you can learn how to, like, you know, through these visualizations, like, how to get grounded, which means, like, how to connect to the center of the Earth and find the support underneath you that, like, helps you feel like you can belong and be safely embodied. And then how to run earth energy and how to run cosmic energy from the star.

[Interviewer]

It sounds really good and positive.

[Genevieve Schatz]

It's fun. It's so positive. It's so big.

[Interviewer]

I'm the most cynical person on Earth. That's fun and a big struggle I have if I walk into any situation is I go into, like, it makes me have a lot less fun in life than I should because I get so cynical about everything. When you walked into that school and you saw all these different, vibrant, unique people, was there any part of you that's like, what is this? Or did it all just kind of, like, make sense?

[Genevieve Schatz]

I felt intimidated at first and a little bit skeptical. Like, what is this about? Are they trying to.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, get my money? Is this like a con of some kind or something? Yeah.

[Genevieve Schatz]

And even that was kind of exciting to consider. Like, well, heck, they're pulling it off, if that's what this is. But I think something that was really comforting was just seeing so many different kinds of people, different shapes of people, different ages of people, different colors of people, and, yeah. It just. It was like, oh, wow. Everyone here is trying to sincerely connect with each other and with themselves, with their soul. I know. And you could argue, you know, all the things about how all those.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Genevieve Schatz]

But, like, sitting and having, like, real intimate interactions with people that brought out their unique life force energy. And everyone has different stories and different strengths and different weaknesses and. Yeah. Just learning how to say hello to those aspects of everyone.

[Interviewer]

You talked about that experience in the park where, like, you were, like, thrust out of your body and you were like, somewhere else. Could you hone that in different ways? Like, what have you learned since? Honing in on the shit?

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

And, like, what can you do? Like, what. How has that changed you?

[Genevieve Schatz]

Oh, wow. Over the years, I took many, many classes from that school and from other schools, even online, because how long ago was this?

[Interviewer]

This was.

[Genevieve Schatz]

That was in 2012.

[Interviewer]

Okay.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yeah. So what, we're in 2026? Is it like, 14 years? Okay. Amazing. So. So I learned how to read Life Force Energy, which means, like, I'll close my eyes and I'll kind of ground My body to the center of the earth for support. And I connect up to, you know, the divine source God, a higher power, because that's my own trip. And I will tune each of my chakras to a certain opening, like a certain percentage so that I don't take in too much. I can kind of just, like, tune down my lower chakras. It's a really interesting process.

[Interviewer]

You don't want to be, like, back when you're on tour absorbing, like, too much.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yeah, definitely not. So, like, all those lower body ones, they go down. You know, even my heart kind of goes down because I don't want to be in, like, a great big, like, loving affinity. I want to just kind of be more neutral in the center of my head. And I'll, like, open up my fifth so that I can communicate, and I'll open up my sixth 100%. And sometimes I'll open up my crown a ton, too, this connection to my higher self. But basically, I learned about the chakra system, which are these energy centers in your body that receive and direct energy so they also perceive it. And for many, many years, just practiced, essentially. Yeah. Taking in information through different energy centers and figuring out, like, what was my shit, like, what was I projecting and what was actually coming from this other being's life and space so that you can get all of your own stuff out of the way. Because that's really. Yeah, it gets messy.

[Interviewer]

I mean, our own shit is everywhere.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

I think this would be quite good for me. I think I'm just consumed with my own shit everywhere. It's busy and horrible. If you could tap out of that for a bit. Brilliant.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yeah. It can be really helpful to also recognize the matches that you have with other people. And, you know, sometimes it can be argued that what is able to be seen is just brought up in the moment between those two people because it benefits both. Kind of like a tarot reading, when it's like the card that's being pulled is for both to see. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.

[Rob]

Or the opposite, when there's relationships that are more toxic and probably not helpful energy.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Right. And then, you know, you learn how to protect your energy, so you learn how to, you know, even just through using a symbol. You could use a symbol of a golden bubble or a rose or. I like to use a rose a lot because in the school that I went to, we talked about how the rose is sort of the flower with the highest vibration. It's very similar to a human being. It's very delicate, much more Delicate, even.

[Interviewer]

How has that affected your music? Cause I feel like. Cause I have no musical ability, but I feel like musicians.

[Genevieve Schatz]

We don't know that yet.

[Interviewer]

Thank you. I appreciate that.

[Rob]

You're gonna start drum lessons.

[Interviewer]

I'm gonna start drum lessons tomorrow. But, no, I look at musicians like you, and I think you're tapped into some other realm that I don't understand. Has this changed your music and the way you perceive music, or are they separate things?

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yeah, it allows me to listen in a much more discerning way because I can understand now why something might appeal to me based on where it lights me up in my energy system. So I'll be like, oh, I love this song or this music because, you know, my heart is wide open and I feel affinity for it, and it helps validate my identity, you know? Or I'll be like, oh, wow, this song. I'm, like, jamming to this, my second chakra, which is all, like, emotion, sensuality, sexuality. Like, my body is locked into this. You know, it's more biological than it is about, you know, something else or especially writing lyrics. I would say it helps because I think my lyrics have become less poetic and mysterious and more kind of like a conversation that you would have with a good friend, but then, like, put it to a melody. Yeah. For better or for worse. We don't know. But, yeah. I think I used to be really afraid to be seen in my lyrics. I was very excited to be heard in my singing, but now I'm able to kind of, like, come forward and be seen in my lyrics more.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. It sounds like you're being more honest.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yeah. Not as afraid to just say the thing.

[Interviewer]

How have you found people around you reacting to this? Because I feel like if you're having this, like, revelation about something about yourself, like, we're talking about it very openly now, but have you found, like, you're talking about this with some of your friends in the industry or your family or whatever, and they're like, what the fuck are you talking about? I don't understand what you're talking about.

[Genevieve Schatz]

It depends. Most people in my life don't even really know this about me.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. Okay.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Which is wild.

[Interviewer]

They're discovering it right now.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. You know, so it's not something you go around, like, broadcasting to the world?

[Genevieve Schatz]

No, not necessarily. If I sense that someone is on, like, a similar frequency range as me, where they could be, you know, enjoying that, I'll bring it up. And then if you spend any time with me, like, after a while, when you get to know me. It comes up because it's like, I need to explain why I'm so sensitive or why I'm able to pick up on this thing or why I always say that thing that you are like, oh, that's so wild that you would bring that up, because, you know, it's like. Cause it's, like, right there. I can almost, like, touch it, you know, in someone's aura. So it's like their energetic field. And a lot of my family has never even asked me about it. I don't know what they think.

[Interviewer]

You can send them this podcast, and they can give, like, a little bit of feedback under the.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Wherever.

[Interviewer]

They're listening to it in the comment section.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

And how. How do you give readings? Do people come to you in person? Are they on the Internet? Like, how does that work?

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yeah, I give readings in person. I give them on the phone via text. I give them off of an app called Sanctuary, which is this kind of, like, uber for psychics. Like, you can just get one on demand.

[Interviewer]

Oh, amazing. Matches you up.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yeah, it's wild. Like, people can read your bio, and then if they feel like what you said resonates with them, they'll just hit you up. And if you're available.

[Interviewer]

Oh, that's wild.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Like, I can be sitting with my family and ding. And I'm like, okay.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. And then you got a session.

[Genevieve Schatz]

I got a call. Talk to these people from around the world.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah. You meet so many people as well. Holy shit.

[Genevieve Schatz]

It's.

[Interviewer]

So is it mostly within America or is it international?

[Genevieve Schatz]

I have a list right now of over 70 different countries.

[Interviewer]

Get out. Any Kiwis in the mix? Any New Zealanders?

[Genevieve Schatz]

Tons. Yes. So, like, since what, like, November of 2020, I've given, like, over 5,000 readings.

[Interviewer]

Holy shit.

[Genevieve Schatz]

That seems so. From people all over the world. And it has been so clarif of the kinds of themes that we explore as humans, as people. It's so incredibly unifying, actually. No matter where people are coming from, there are just, like, a handful of things that everyone is really working through.

[Interviewer]

No, I was just thinking, because I had a friend that was into astrology in a big way, and I always shit all over it because I'm, like, an atheist. I'm just all cynical about everything. But she explained to me that you can be as cynical as you want, but, like, what it gives you is this shared language to talk about feelings and reality and what's going on, because you've got these, like, symbols and ideas. And I kind of got that and it sounds like I can kind of. This is a similar thing where, like, it gives you, like, a way to speak about universal things that we're all trying to figure out.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yeah. Like big universal things that for each individual person come up in different symbolic images or colors or patterns that, you know, you can. Yeah. Link up with, sync up with. It's beautiful. It's really nerdy. As I'm saying things out loud, I'm

[Interviewer]

like, this is really nerdy. Is good.

[Genevieve Schatz]

It's weird how it's more mainstream than ever and yet it's also still kind of taboo.

[Interviewer]

Yeah.

[Genevieve Schatz]

People think, oh, you're reading my mind. It's like, no, no. That would be so unethical to do that.

[Interviewer]

I mean, I'm glad you're not reading my. I think it's good. I feel uncomfortable. You know, it's like private in here.

[Host]

Oh, yeah.

[Genevieve Schatz]

And I think that's why I probably don't bring it up very much, is because I don't want people to. I notice sometimes people will shift and they'll start feeling like I know things about them that they don't want anyone to know. And I'm like, I am not interested in that. If we sit down together and we have an agreement where we are, there is consent. And I'm able to, like, feel safe enough to, like, tune myself up and sit down and like, start to read each layer of your aura, you know, as you're open to sharing it, that's one thing. But I would never just like, you

[Rob]

know, what does that look like, an in person one?

[Genevieve Schatz]

Well, it looks like it's different for everyone, but it's like you and I sit down and it'd be fun to make tea or some kind of warm beverage just because, I don't know, you feel cozy. And then I would sit across from the person. We would both put our feet on the floor just to have the connection of the earth underneath us and the reedy. The person getting red would keep their eyes open and I, the reader, would close my eyes and then I would ground myself to the center of the earth and I would clear my space. I would connect us with a clear line of energy for our communication sake. And then, you know, for me, I like to connect us both up to, you know, our higher selves, let's say. And I'll ask for permission for a blessing for this reading, for the highest good to come forth. And then basically, like, you know, let's say I was doing an aura reading. So I would close my eyes and Then I would start at the first layer of your aura, which basically means, like the first chakra, which is the root chakra, energy center. It projects like a movie projector. We know about Rob's history as a projectionist.

[Interviewer]

I've heard about it a lot. So cool. And I. And I.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yes. So like, the first layer of your aura, it corresponds with your first chakra. So it projects a layer out in front of you and around your whole body, like in an egg shape. Right. And so that. That deals with your safety, security and survival space. So it's interesting. Cause what we keep closest to us is our safety, security and survival. Right. So I would read symbolic images in that layer and like colors and like what you're handling in the moment, in real time, in present time. And then I would close up that picture and then we would go to the second chakra, which is your lower belly, like underneath your belly button. The energy center that deals with emotions, sensuality, sexuality, relationships, creativity. So that's a little bit further out from the first layer. Right. Then the third layer is your solar plexus. So that's your willpower, your goals, ambitions, your ability to take action and transform. And that's a little bit further out your status. Then your fourth layer of your aura is your heart. So this is like love, affinity for yourself and others. Your identity space.

[Interviewer]

Are these getting more intense as you're growing up?

[Genevieve Schatz]

I don't know. You tell me.

[Rob]

Okay.

[Interviewer]

I feel like that a little bit.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Fifth layer, your throat. So this is your communication space. This is your intuition, communication, your energy with words. Then your sixth layer, which is the center of your head, your third eye, that's your inner vision, your ability to see energy, the center of your head. And neutrality. Neutrality is huge. And then the top one in your body, your body's aura, seventh layer. This is the only chakra that actually points upward. All the other ones are forward. This one connects you to your higher self. All that is divine, your knowing. You could say God, source, and that one, you know. Yeah. Like big trajectory as a being, not necessarily this lifetime. You know, multiple ginormous moves.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, it feels big.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yeah. And so it's interesting that when we meet people, the one that hits first is actually that one. It's the seventh layer, the one that is your higher self. So that's why first impressions are really interesting, because it's like you kind of get a vibe of that being's essence.

[Interviewer]

Yes. Straight away.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Right. Not their safety and security bible, not their money, their shelter, their, you know, but like, that Bigger picture. Um, so an aura reading is. You read in real time what they're handling in each layer. But then some people like to just have a grab bag reading and they come in and they are, they have questions, they want answers, they want to ask whatever they want to ask.

[Rob]

They're dealing with problems that they want.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Problems. Yeah.

[Interviewer]

It's almost like someone going into therapy for the first time. Fix me in an hour. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Is my so and so cheating on me and blah, blah, blah. And you're like, whoa, that is so invasive. Like, hello.

[Interviewer]

You know, you're not here for that. I have a side question and you don't have to answer this because maybe it's. I don't know how this sits. And with, with what you do, you know, in la you can get. I've been to like some parties and you get like a photo taken and you get like colors.

[Host]

Yes.

[Interviewer]

An aura. It's like an aura.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yes.

[Interviewer]

Is that some bullshit or is that

[Genevieve Schatz]

real or a photography?

[Interviewer]

Yeah, because I don't know. I genuinely don't know whether that's like a scam or it's. Some of it is and some of it isn't. It's a cool photo.

[Rob]

Yeah, they look cool.

[Interviewer]

And I like talking to people about it because again, it's that thing of opening up a conversation because you've got the shared thing.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yeah. So the whole concept is that you put your hands on these metal plates. It's fun to do, pick up on your electromagnetic field. So each color has a different frequency range. So depending on where you're vibing, they would show up. Right. Because it's takes that information and then it translates it into a visual image. I would say it's very similar to getting a clairvoyant reading because, you know, it's almost like I would pick up on something and then I could say, for example, like, let's say I was reading your heart and I was like, oh, you know, it's coming up as a light spring green. I'm seeing a ton of creativity and curiosity and blah, blah. It's like somebody else who's a different camera might see that like a light green means something different to them. Maybe they associate it with something else. Or maybe somebody else would see like a totally different color, you know, pink, but to them it means the same thing as my light green. You know what I mean? Anyway, but I think that. Is it real? Why not? Yeah. You know, is this information in a medium that is totally color?

[Interviewer]

It's a cool fucking photo.

[Genevieve Schatz]

It's so cool.

[Interviewer]

I have got mine.

[Genevieve Schatz]

I've got so many over mine.

[Interviewer]

Have you got one of those done?

[Rob]

No. Definitely. I mean, I've seen them.

[Genevieve Schatz]

I highly recommend them. It's a fun way, especially if you get multiple ones in different times of your life. It's a cool way to check in on what your energy was looking like at that moment. You know, like during, my gosh, the beginning of the last Trump.

[Interviewer]

I was in America when that happened. I was here randomly in 2016. I was at a Hillary victory party at a pub. And then it.

[Rob]

Where?

[Genevieve Schatz]

And then it took a day in la.

[Rob]

Oh, in la.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. With some New Zealanders. And then it turned.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Wow.

[Rob]

I was in New York like, a mile from each of their headquarters.

[Interviewer]

Oh, my God. Because the swing was crazy.

[Genevieve Schatz]

It was like a roller coaster. I remember my friends and I, we were getting, like, nauseous crying. Laughing out of fear. Nauseous crying. It was like the same.

[Interviewer]

No, it was. Because it was like a sort of a joke.

[Genevieve Schatz]

So what I want to say was, normally my aura photography has lots of bright colors, like rainbow, even, and, like, yellows and pinks. And then I got one right after that, like, within, like, two weeks. And it was black, exclusively black, and a dark indigo blue.

[Interviewer]

Like, dark blue.

[Genevieve Schatz]

And I was so morose, just so disappointed and horrified and. And you could see it. And I have never had one since that looks like that.

[Interviewer]

And looking back on that now. Holy shit. It's even. It means so much more. Cause it's like. It seemed like a bit of a.

[Genevieve Schatz]

It was almost like a gay.

[Interviewer]

It was like a blip.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

But now we're not. That's what's annoying about now. Like, it's not a blip. It's like this thing we've settled into.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rob]

It seemed like an accident the first time, right?

[Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah.

[Rob]

A mistake of some.

[Interviewer]

Yeah. That was a year. Facebook suddenly doing all this shit, and it's like, we can correct this.

[Rob]

This is perfect Storm. It's not who we are.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then it went.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Yeah. Almost like a child that doesn't have the information where you're like, oh, you know.

[Host]

Okay.

[Interviewer]

It was like a bit of a. I remember even laughing with some friends. It's like, this is silly, and this is going to be a silly time, but it'll come back. Anyway. Anyway, maybe this is a good time to segue. We're going to have some. You're going to play three beautiful songs. Is there anything you can kind of tell us about what the songs are about. Or how is sort of that something you want to talk to?

[Genevieve Schatz]

Thank you so much for joining us.

[Interviewer]

Well, thanks for being here.

[Genevieve Schatz]

So wonderful.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Genevieve Schatz]

So the songs that we're gonna play are unreleased, so almost nobody has ever heard them. Maybe like a couple small live shows, but they haven't even been recorded. So. One is called Butterfly, and it is about transformation. It's about getting in touch with the part of us that feels like a young, innocent inner child that is maybe afraid to fully let go, to become more than what you could even imagine you could be. And another one is called Super Ultraviolet Love. And that one is just about connecting with your eternal essence and remembering. Yeah. Where you come from, what you're made of, and to kind of not be afraid to own that amount of love and light that is so medicinal almost. And then there's one called the Shine Bright, Be a Light to the World. And that is a song, I guess. They're all very similar. Listen, I am a mother of two young children right now.

[Rob]

You can tell in your music.

[Genevieve Schatz]

I know. I'm, like, breastfeeding my first baby right now. And you can tell in my music also.

[Interviewer]

Thank you for coming in whilst you are raising some tiny children. It's very generous of you. Yeah, they're in the car. They'll be fine.

[Genevieve Schatz]

The AC's on. No, she didn't. So that one. Yeah. Similar. It's just about. It's actually inspired from this Krishnamurti quote about a light to oneself, a light to the world, which is sort of about getting in touch with yourself, reflecting, so that you can. Yeah. Bring that inner light out. Because sometimes we find ourselves in a room where it seems really dark and heavy. And it can be hard to realize that you might be the light in that moment. You might be the bright light. So it's about that.

[Interviewer]

I love that. That's fucking cool.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Thank you. Refreshing Wild Cherry cola meets Smooth cream. The treat you deserve. Pepsi Wild Cherry and cream. Treat yourself. K Pop Demon Hunters Haja Boys Breakfast Meal and Hunt Trick's meal have just dropped at McDonald's. They're calling this a battle for the fans. What do you say to that, Rumi? It's not a battle. So glad the Saja Boys could take

[Host]

breakfast and give our meal the rest of the day.

[Genevieve Schatz]

It is an honor to share. No, it's our honor.

[Rob]

It is our larger honor.

[Genevieve Schatz]

No, really, stop. You can really feel the respect in this battle. Pick a meal to pick a side and participate in McDonald's while supplies last. Okay, this one Is super ultraviolet love.

[Host]

Camille Away with me to the moment right before you were born.

[Genevieve Schatz]

A forgotten dream Singing out despite the

[Host]

war you were born.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Trust in your process of finding your

[Host]

purpose all the time, steps you take,

[Genevieve Schatz]

all the ways you change.

[Host]

Keeping it honest, it ain't a contest. All the moves you make, all the chains you break. Yoo hoo, yoo hoo A super ultra violet love. Yoo hoo yoo hoo Won't give up, can't get enough of you. A super ultraviolet love. Yoo hoo yoo hoo won't give up, can't get enough.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Feel it till you heal, it gonna be alright. Gotta let go of the daily grind.

[Host]

Feel it till you heal it gonna be just fine. Gotta let go, gotta free your mind under lock and key you ignite and can't ignore. You were born.

[Genevieve Schatz]

Feeling wild and free. Through the day and night explore.

[Host]

You were born. Trusting your process of finding your purpose. All the steps you take, all the ways you change. Keep keeping it honest, it ain't a contest. All the moves you make, all the chains you break. Yoo hoo, yoo hoo A super ultraviolet love. Yoo hoo yoo won't give up, can't get enough of you. I super ultra violet love you Won't give up, can't get enough give it

[Genevieve Schatz]

to you heal it gonna be all right. Gotta let go of the daily grind.

[Host]

Heal it till you heal it gonna be just fine. Gotta let go that I free. Sometimes I hold the pain inside when life is feeling dark and quiet. If I could show you all my heart, my mind, my soul, my smile, my spirit. Then I could be a light to myself and the world. And we could walk with one another shining bright for all to be seen, Seen and heard and celebrating one another. Sometimes I hold my love inside feeling afraid to risk rejection. If I could show you all my heart, my mind, my smile, my soul's intention. Then I could be a light to myself and the world. And we could walk with one another shining bright for all to be seen and heard and celebrating one another. If I could show my heart show your heart to the world. If I could speak my mind. Speak your mind to the world.

[Genevieve Schatz]

If I could.

[Host]

If I could show my smile. Give your smile to the world. If I could show you all my heart, my mind, my soul, my smile, my spirit. Then I could be a light to myself and the world. And we could walk with one another shining bright for all to be seen and heard and celebrating one another. Shine bright, be a light to the the world. Shine bright, be a light to the world. Shine bright, be a light to the world. Shine. Be a light to the world. I never ask are we there yet? I like to hold back all my bets. So I can keep tripping. So I can keep tripping. Hell I like to say it's all pretend I like to think every not be in. So I can keep dreaming So I can keep dreaming that one day I'll be a butterfly I I Dance across the sky I I Waiting for a miracle up their vibes flow like water. Seem to pass that time. One day I'll be a butterfly I I Dance across the sky I I When I feel invisible, close my eyes, spread my wings and I will fly so high. One day I'll be a butterfly. Your weather pulls me down to earth. Your sunny face takes all. So I can keep dripping. So I can keep dreaming. They're throwing stones around the world. They're keeping me a little girl. So I can keep dreaming. So I can keep tree by hand. That one day I'll be a butterfly I I Dance across the sky I I Waiting for a miracle up the vibes flow like water sing to pass the time. One day I'll be a butterfly I Dance across the sky I I When I feel invisible, close my eyes, spread my wings and I will fly so high. One day I'll be a butterfly it's just me changing. Oh yeah, it's alright. It's just me changing. No need for a fight. It's just me changing gonna be alright. Cause one day I'll be a better fly I Dance across the sky I Waiting for a miracle up the vibes flow like water. Sing to pass that time. One day I'll be a butterfly I Dance across the sky high. When I feel invisible close my eyes, spread my wings and I will fly so high. One day I'll be a butterfly high.