Brett Goldstein

Summary

Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade: Episode Featuring Brett Goldstein

Release Date: April 23, 2025

In this engaging episode of Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade, the renowned hosts delve deep into the illustrious career of Brett Goldstein, best known for his Emmy-winning role as Roy Kent on Ted Lasso. The conversation is a blend of humor, insightful discussions about fame, comedy, and the intricacies of working in the entertainment industry.

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1. Introduction to Brett Goldstein

Dana Carvey and David Spade warmly welcome Brett Goldstein, highlighting his multifaceted career.

• Dana Carvey [02:16]: "Brett Goldstein, most famously known as Roy Kent, the gruff alpha male on Ted Lasso which he got two Emmy awards for."

2. Brett's Expansive Career

Brett elaborates on his diverse roles beyond Ted Lasso, including his appearances in Doctor Who, Derek, and his upcoming romantic comedy with Jennifer Lopez.

• David Spade [03:21]: "He did Doctor Who, he has done Derek... and then as of late, he's filming right now a rom-com with JLo."

3. The Making of Roy Kent and His Comedy Special

The discussion shifts to Brett’s portrayal of Roy Kent and his upcoming HBO comedy special titled "Second Best Night of Your Life".

• Dana Carvey [03:57]: "His comedy special... that's called the second best night of your life."

Brett shares anecdotes about filming his special and the collaborative environment with Dana and David.

• Brett Goldstein [03:32]: "He's actually talking to us on his break from the movie on a weekend, which was very generous of him."

4. Navigating Fame and Its Challenges

The conversation delves into the sudden surge of fame Brett experienced post-Ted Lasso and how both he and the hosts cope with their long-standing recognition in the industry.

• Dana Carvey [05:53]: "How have you two coped with being famous for as long as you have been famous?"

• Brett Goldstein [06:07]: "It was a weird thing where we did the lockdown, and when we came out of lockdown, we suddenly were pointed out in the street."

5. Insights into Stand-Up Comedy and Content Creation

Brett discusses his journey in stand-up comedy, balancing corporate gigs, and creating content that resonates with diverse audiences.

• Brett Goldstein [44:08]: "Yes, I do. Yeah."

• Dana Carvey [45:46]: "My goal is to get them to laugh at minutia that's been wound down into madness and get them to go with that for an extended period of time."

6. Upcoming Projects and Collaborations

Brett reveals details about his romantic comedy project with Jennifer Lopez, showcasing his versatility as a writer and actor.

• Brett Goldstein [55:37]: "Yes. Yeah, we're filming at the moment."

• Dana Carvey [56:07]: "So this is you stepping outside the lines. Unless you wrote and produced this film."

7. Reflections on SNL and the Pressure of Live Comedy

The hosts and Brett share their experiences with Saturday Night Live, discussing the high-pressure environment and the emotional toll of live performances.

• David Spade [21:51]: "The machine of SNL seems to me so insanely stressful and sort of the ego of it week by week."

• Dana Carvey [22:49]: "All that is true. It's an emotionally violent sport, SNL."

8. Personal Anecdotes and Light-Hearted Moments

The episode is peppered with humorous exchanges, showcasing the camaraderie between Brett, Dana, and David.

• Brett Goldstein [59:00]: "I'm Brett. You're Chewy to me."

• Dana Carvey [61:22]: "So it's. It's super interesting because all I knew was that, you know, character."

9. Closing Remarks and Future Endeavors

As the episode wraps up, Brett expresses his gratitude for the opportunity to chat with Dana and David, while also hinting at future projects and collaborations.

• Brett Goldstein [69:14]: "So thank you for your time."

• Dana Carvey [69:32]: "We'll see you around campus."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Dana Carvey [03:57]: "His comedy special... that's called the second best night of your life."
• Brett Goldstein [06:07]: "It was a weird thing where we did the lockdown, and when we came out of lockdown, we suddenly were pointed out in the street."
• David Spade [21:51]: "The machine of SNL seems to me so insanely stressful and sort of the ego of it week by week."
• Dana Carvey [22:49]: "All that is true. It's an emotionally violent sport, SNL."
• Brett Goldstein [44:08]: "Yes, I do. Yeah."
• Dana Carvey [45:46]: "My goal is to get them to laugh at minutia that's been wound down into madness and get them to go with that for an extended period of time."
• Brett Goldstein [55:37]: "Yes. Yeah, we're filming at the moment."
• Brett Goldstein [59:00]: "I'm Brett. You're Chewy to me."
• Dana Carvey [61:22]: "So it's. It's super interesting because all I knew was that, you know, character."

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Key Takeaways

• Versatility in Roles: Brett Goldstein’s ability to navigate between acting, writing, and producing showcases his multifaceted talent in the entertainment industry.

• Handling Fame: Both Brett and the hosts discuss the challenges of sudden fame, emphasizing the importance of staying grounded and maintaining personal relationships.

• Comedy Craft: The episode offers insights into the creative process behind Brett’s stand-up and his approach to making his comedy relatable yet unique.

• Future Projects: Brett’s upcoming romantic comedy with Jennifer Lopez highlights his continuous evolution as an artist and his willingness to explore new genres.

• Industry Reflections: The candid discussion about SNL provides listeners with an inside look into the pressures of live comedy and the dynamics of working on such a high-profile platform.

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This episode serves as a compelling exploration of Brett Goldstein’s journey in the entertainment world, enriched by Dana Carvey and David Spade’s seasoned perspectives. Whether you're a fan of Ted Lasso, aspiring comedian, or simply interested in the behind-the-scenes of showbiz, this conversation offers valuable insights and plenty of laughs.

Transcript

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[David Spade]

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[David Spade]

Yes, it was good to talk to another gruff alpha male. For me it was nice. He got this dude has Done everything from England. He has done Doctor who, he has done Derek. I think Derek is the one with. And then. And then as of late, he's filming right now rom com with JLo, which he wrote with with a friend of his. And he's doing shrinking with Harrison Ford, Jason Siegel, you know, so just non stop. He has a deal with. We can go on and on.

[Dana Carvey]

Warner bro has a stand up special. He writes and produces all these shows and then he's in them and stuff. He'll tell us an interesting story about how he got cast as.

[David Spade]

Yes, we made him do that story and he was gracious. He's actually talking to us on his break from the movie on a weekend, which was very generous of him. And I had some good laughs with him. Obviously he's a comedian, so we cracked up. But we, we dissected the comedy special like we always do. And his. Which is coming out soon. What is it called, Dana?

[Dana Carvey]

His comedy special. Oh, that's called the second best night of your life.

[David Spade]

That's right. It's a cool name.

[Dana Carvey]

Hbo.

[David Spade]

HBO coming out.

[Dana Carvey]

He's a very curious person as a writer, you know, so he asked us a lot of questions. So.

[David Spade]

Yeah, we did. So bear with that.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, he was kind of curious about our situation. He has a podcast called films to be buried with as well that's out there. So yeah, he's super busy, highly successful and completely humble.

[David Spade]

Yeah, so a lot of fun and very humble and asked us questions. So don't get mad about that because I know it was. But it's fun if they're interested. And we had a great three way chat. It was like being at dinner. And here he is.

[Brett Goldstein]

Guys, how are you?

[Dana Carvey]

How are you?

[David Spade]

Hey, somebody looks like their picture.

[Dana Carvey]

Nice to see you again. Of course you remember when you met me?

[Brett Goldstein]

Yes, you do. I remember. Well, I've never. I haven't had a long chat with either of you and I'm a big fan. But I've introduced David on stage.

[David Spade]

Oh yeah, interesting. I remember that I told Dana that.

[Dana Carvey]

We just ran into each other one of those loud parties. It wasn't a time to, hey, I really like Ted Lasso. Really? Yeah, I know Jason Sudeikis. Really? Okay. Yeah, that. I hate those parties. Man, that music drives me.

[David Spade]

Hey, whoa, whoa. What party was it?

[Dana Carvey]

It was one of the snl. SNL parties.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yes, that's right. That's where it was. And I wanted to say I love Headwind Harry, but you know, it was too loud.

[Dana Carvey]

I'm exhausted right now because I Looked at all what you're doing out there right now. It's like, I'm exhausted because I just read your credits. What's going on, man?

[Brett Goldstein]

Yes. Busy boy.

[David Spade]

He's like, yes. And that's why I have to jump off right now. Thank you.

[Dana Carvey]

Can I ask you a question? Like what? What? I know these are sort of cliche in a sense, but I guess, like, in 2017, 2018, you were kind of regular famous. You'd done some things, and then Ted Lasso and you became extra famous.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

What year? How long have you been extra famous? This has been like three years since people are like, hey, are you.

[Brett Goldstein]

It was a weird thing where we did the. We did lockdown, and when we came out of lockdown, we suddenly were pointed out in the street.

[David Spade]

Oh. So it was playing the whole time.

[Dana Carvey]

Just pointed at you? Hey.

[Brett Goldstein]

We were like, tim, what's on our face? Something After.

[David Spade]

If they said to you, if this is a deal, I would take. We're going to lock you down for two years, but you'll be your super famous after, I would say, okay, that's kind of what happened.

[Dana Carvey]

Kind of a dystopian nightmare. And you just were emancipated from it into love and human beings being so excited to see you.

[Brett Goldstein]

Oh, that's a very nice way of thinking about it. How have you two coped with being famous for as long as you have been famous, which is a long, long time now, David, you go first.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, we like it when guests ask questions, by the way.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Thank you.

[David Spade]

I'm glad we got through the Brett part of this interview.

[Dana Carvey]

You can get a cup of tea, sit back in 20 minutes from now.

[Brett Goldstein]

Tell me everything. How old were you two? Because you were both. How old were you two when you were My.

[Dana Carvey]

My, my. I got an snl and I had kind of regular fame. It was in the 80s, but then I had Wayne's World, got an Emmy for doing political impressions. Anyway, I'm just saying everything whooshed up and I was on the COVID of Rolling Stone. So for that year, I. It was peak fame, and I found it exhausting, just basically exhausting, because I'm. I'm kind of a people pleaser. And so anyone who wanted to give me the time of the. Oh, sure. You know, so I think I'm David, right? It's David. I think David. David would have a different journey.

[David Spade]

Mine was very gradual, Brett, because stand up middle act wasn't even a headliner when I got on snl, did an hbo, like, young comedian Special. So I got a drop of attention, but got on snl, but didn't do that much for a while. Dana kind of came out of the gate big, and I took a while and then leaving that, Then a movie and then another movie. I think it was after snl, after some movies, and then a sitcom called Just Shoot Me. And then I got the COVID Rolling Stone. And the COVID Rolling Stone is a very hard one over here, especially if you're a comedian. So I feel like that was when people say, when were you the most famous? That's such a weird question. And it's always right now because it's accumulation of everything kind of where people finally caught up to stuff. But that was probably the year because you don't get that a lot, if ever again. So I really felt like that was a fun one. And Dana got one maybe at two, I don't know.

[Brett Goldstein]

But is this why you two are best friends? Because you can only both been on the COVID of Rolling Stone?

[Dana Carvey]

Is that the part of the club? And if you get on there, we're going to be hanging out.

[Brett Goldstein]

Okay. Okay.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, I'm just curious. How are you? How's the recognition factor in different countries like Great Britain compared to Ireland? Or, you know, because Lasso is Lasso or Ted, I like to shorten the show. Ted is global, so that's a different thing. So where are you the most?

[Brett Goldstein]

I, I mean, there was like, the first year we were only recognized in America, but then I think the second year it then was, it's sort of where I, I, I haven't, yeah, it's sort of everywhere because I think it's. Because it's on Apple. Yeah, it's like, I mean, I haven't checked.

[David Spade]

Was any, Did England take any, Was there any different feeling than America? America was just sheer joy and bliss. Was England because you were there and your English. Is there any different?

[Brett Goldstein]

I thought English people wouldn't take to Ted Lasso because it's sincere. So.

[David Spade]

Is that not what plays over there?

[Brett Goldstein]

No, I, you know, I thought they were going to be like, you prick. You sincere prick.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, you're so earnest.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, no, I don't like that show. You're so earnest.

[David Spade]

Is it a lot of comedy is more insincere?

[Brett Goldstein]

Well, yeah, or, or negative, like, as.

[Dana Carvey]

In taking the piss out of people.

[Brett Goldstein]

I'll tell you what was a really interesting thing that happened that I learned is I did this show that no one ever saw. It was like an improvised sitcom with David Hasselhoff where David hasselhoff came to England and we were like his fake entourage.

[David Spade]

And it was the record.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Brett Goldstein]

And it was really funny. No one ever. It was proper funny. But what was interesting about it is he as the American, we were like improvising these scenes and he came to us one day and he said, guys, he said, they're making you look like idiots. And. And I, we were like, yeah, no, it's okay. It's okay because.

[David Spade]

Oh, was he worried about you guys looking stupid in a documentary?

[Dana Carvey]

And it's okay because.

[Brett Goldstein]

Because we're in.

[David Spade]

That's the joke.

[Brett Goldstein]

It's meant to be funny. Like, as in he wanted us all to be heroes. And I was like, that's such an interesting. Like, all right.

[David Spade]

It's funnier that you guys are all.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, you guys gave us Monty Python, you know, so it's kind of like. Doesn't get any better than that. But I do think first I've. It's philosophical alert. No. Ted Lasso. Even for America, the earnestness of it, the sincerity of it took us off guard, you know, like you, because I. People told me to watch it. I go, what lasso? I don't know. I was like, kind of like, what's it on Peach? Channel 4? No. So then I watched it and I started seeing it and it was the chemistry and it. You know, I'm not going to say lightning in a bottle. I'm not going to say that because I don't want to speak in cliches.

[David Spade]

It might be a great show is.

[Dana Carvey]

When every single person in the cast is the only person you can imagine playing that part. And Ted Lasso had that across the board, in my opinion.

[Brett Goldstein]

That's very nice. I. I feel the same way about. Just Shoot me. Can I ask you, is that a callback?

[David Spade]

Did it make it over there?

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, you saw this show?

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah, yeah, it was on. It was on. It was on Late night in England.

[David Spade]

It was on BBC 1285.

[Brett Goldstein]

It was on BBC 1285.

[Dana Carvey]

Still getting the checks, eh?

[David Spade]

God, I'm glad you saw Just Shoot me. It gives me some legitimacy on this call. Thank God. Yeah, tell me.

[Brett Goldstein]

I want to know about you two. Have you done stand up or shows in England?

[Dana Carvey]

I've been invited, but never. Never lined up. But I. How does.

[David Spade]

Well, I don't know if it would work.

[Dana Carvey]

Why?

[David Spade]

Yeah, we are scared. I'm scared for sure.

[Brett Goldstein]

Oh, why won't you come? They'd love you.

[David Spade]

I don't.

[Dana Carvey]

I just don't know if my would work City. I've been there Several times. I love everything about it. The West End, you know, Eiffel Square. Yeah.

[David Spade]

All the biggies.

[Brett Goldstein]

The pyramids, Leicester Square.

[Dana Carvey]

This is, you know. Okay, I have to ask. These are just arithmetic questions, but. So you got this special that's coming out in a couple weeks. Second best night of your life. I like the title. That's.

[David Spade]

That's always hard to get a title.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. Spade's got one coming out called Dandelion.

[David Spade]

Always hard.

[Brett Goldstein]

Good title. I saw the trailer and the title was explained in the trailer and I was like, respect.

[David Spade]

Yeah. Because I'm a puss. No one would guess that.

[Dana Carvey]

Where did you. Where did you shoot the special? In England?

[Brett Goldstein]

Oh, in New Jersey. New Jersey.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, really?

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Spade]

Bergen Theater. Did you.

[Brett Goldstein]

At the Pac.

[David Spade]

Okay. And how many people it was 2000 or one. Two shows one night.

[Brett Goldstein]

Two shows one night.

[David Spade]

Love it.

[Dana Carvey]

So pre pandemic, you're playing clubs, is that right?

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah, clubs in like 50 seaters.

[Dana Carvey]

The kind of. My favorite size. You can't make money, but I like a 50 seater.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

You know what I mean? But so that now you're. Your life is. Just went this last five years.

[Brett Goldstein]

It really did. But. But I. I think I was. I was sort of. This is why I'm asking when you. What age you were, because I was quite. I was 38 when I did lasso, I think.

[David Spade]

Okay. Okay.

[Brett Goldstein]

I'd been going. I'd been doing all of this at a low level for a long, long time. So I think I just didn't expect any of it. But then when it happened, it was like, well, I'll be dead soon. So. Made the most of it.

[David Spade]

Yeah. I think it must be nice if you're 38 and you're doing pretty well. You probably go. It probably would have happened by now. And the odds get higher that, I mean, you can be famous, but then you. To have a game changer.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

Is very rare.

[Brett Goldstein]

Exactly. Yeah. I'd long given up on sort of a big thing happening.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

I thought when I got SNL at 31, I'd been in the clubs for 10 years and I'd auditioned for SNL several times in clubs and just thought it was sort of over. A lot of things had to come together. They were recasting and long story short, I got it at 31. And then the show was really on a low point. But by sir, it happened to be the. We had to rescue.

[David Spade]

Let's just take this guy. We can't lose.

[Dana Carvey]

It wasn't easy. I thought I was Going to turn the lights out because every pilot I'd ever done, every show I'd ever done, it failed, sucked. So I didn't want to turn. You can turn it out now. Okay, that's 8h.

[David Spade]

Tina, turn the light out on the way out.

[Dana Carvey]

Franchise. What else have you got? So I was around that age 36 when I started to make extra money and be extra famous. And I found it. It's a Faustian deal in some ways, over time. Do you have a financial planner kid?

[David Spade]

He's got a printing press.

[Dana Carvey]

I would say to you this. I don't think I've ever expressed this. I'll just do it very quickly. Is that at some point you want a wall of money that's giving you income. Not risky investments, not real estate, but liquidity bonds or something that is giving you a wall of income. So in 10 years from now, you never go on bended deed. You never have to do anything you don't want to do. Your career so far seems like you're in command and control because you're the executive producer, you're the writer. You wouldn't have those issues. But whatever money you throw, think you want, you just want to be completely done by 50. So you have nine years. Eight years.

[Brett Goldstein]

Okay, I'm. I'm going to play back this podcast and I'm going to have to write out what you just said because you lost me at bonds.

[Dana Carvey]

Well. Well, it doesn't matter about bonds. Mailbox money. Just money that comes in when you're not working so that you can pick and choose your projects. That's all. But I think you already. You're Most standups just do stand up and try to get hired. You're. I mean, you got a big deal with Warner, bro. I mean, you're already in charge. I think you're doing perfect. I take back what I said. You don't need my advice.

[Brett Goldstein]

I really. I'm listening to all of it.

[David Spade]

Dana, you know me and I'm. I'm actually not as social as you think, but I will.

[Dana Carvey]

You are. You're not social.

[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

Yeah, everyone knows. By the way, sometimes I'm. I'm scared to go to a daytime barbecue.

[Dana Carvey]

You should be frightened.

[David Spade]

It's a little anxiety.

[Dana Carvey]

You like a nighttime barbecue? I don't understand.

[David Spade]

I like. Nighttime's better because. Just a little calmer. I don't know. I can't just be in the starkness of day, just raw dogging into a barbecue. But, but they are fun. So I'm not going to take that away from people's fun because I have had them.

[Dana Carvey]

They're fun.

[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

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[Dana Carvey]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[Brett Goldstein]

I have a question for you both about SNL that I'm curious about because I've spoken to Bill Hader and I've spoken to Jason and I've spoken to a couple of other people. And everyone tells me, when I spoke to Bill Hader, I said to him, he was making Barry at the time and he was like writing, execcing, directing, producing, all of it. And I said, how do you cope with the pressure of that, that's such a huge, huge undertaking. And he said anything's easier after snf.

[David Spade]

Oh, wow.

[Brett Goldstein]

And I. And I wonder if you two feel this way. Like the machine of SNL seems to me so fucking insanely stressful and sort of the ego of it week by week that you could be in a sketch, then you're not in a sketch and you're the king for a night and it's gone. And then week on week. How do you. How did you feel about that?

[David Spade]

You know, Bill, who's one of the greats of SNL, we all love. I think maybe what he's saying is that at that point you're on the upswing and you're trying to get to a level where you. You're not going to give up on showbiz. You know, everything's going on. Like, you've all been in that position. We've all been, where am I going to do this forever? Because I just barely. Barely making it. And that's the stress of snl. You're going to get fired every year. No one's treated preferentially, really. And you keep writing and keep proving yourself with Barry maybe, which sounds so such a hard undertaking is he's already got to this point and he's been given something and now it's just not fun, but fun and hard. But maybe, maybe there's something. I can't imagine something that hard. SNL was horrible, but it's in the past. But the new thing would seem harder, like, okay, it's right in front of me. I gotta make this work. Which luckily he did. Dana, what do you think?

[Dana Carvey]

Well, I would say all that is true. It's an emotionally violent sport, snl. But over time, if you write your own sketches and get some friends together, it might help out, but it's coming from you. And then there's no time for someone to overthink. It was great for my ADD brain. There was no real direction. You direct yourself. The directors are trying to get the shots by the seat.

[David Spade]

You know nothing.

[Dana Carvey]

And so you're a master of your fate. In some ways. There's whimsy to that. But then you, you have control. And so when I, when I walked off, I. I didn't have the confidence. I was being offered multi millions to do a couple of films that were complete mistakes, you know, because then going from complete control to no control, 100 takes, they edit the way they want. I did this thing in a scene which I thought, okay, I nailed this. I looked at the Monitor, Saw it in the film. It's been cut to pieces. What I love about your resume so far is that you're not. You're Bill Hader. Bill Hader bet on himself. They. He could have made a Stefan movie. Let's just say 15 million.

[David Spade]

Sure.

[Dana Carvey]

He could have stayed at SNL or done another variety show. He bet on himself. He just said no. And now he's like, he's. He's a Coen brother, or he's Kubrick.

[David Spade]

Do what he wants the second.

[Dana Carvey]

Or he's a Paul Thomas. So what you're doing is already fantastic. You're. You're making shows. You're in control. And the only time I've been really unhappy in show business, like, truly unhappy, is being on a set or in a project where you look over at the brain trust around the camera and you're like, oh, we're fucked.

[David Spade]

Yeah, this is not gonna work right away. It's not working.

[Dana Carvey]

So just. Just do what you've been doing is. Yeah, you are. You're. You're in charge of your.

[Brett Goldstein]

You know, so far, this podcast is. Is really lovely. So thank you very much. Right.

[David Spade]

We're gonna transform.

[Dana Carvey]

Don't let them dangle a shiny Omn. You make it so popular that you're tempted to do some movie you don't want to do, because all of a sudden, it's whatever cartoon money would be, you know, and it wouldn't. The money is only about freedom. The only reason to have money from my mind is to have freedom. Freedom to work or not work. Freedom to how to work. By the way, I'll just ask you. Do you have shiny things that speak to you, like watches, cars, do you live? Which is totally fine.

[Brett Goldstein]

That's the. Again, the beauty of it is I don't. I never. I always made enough. Before this all happened, I always made just enough. I made enough to pay my rent. I need enough to go to the cinema, which I like doing it. And I made enough for black T shirts, which is all I wear. That was it. And so when all this. Look at us. Oh, God. All I need is the COVID of Rolling Stone and we can be a gang.

[David Spade]

I can't afford that shit.

[Dana Carvey]

Why? This one might be.

[David Spade]

I have a stupid regular shirt on. Oh, I have a good question for him, Dana. Watch this. Watch this.

[Dana Carvey]

That's good. Fastball coming in.

[David Spade]

Okay, Brent, that's your real name. Brett. Brett. So, Brett, if England is doing an snl.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah, they are, right?

[David Spade]

England is doing snl. Dana, did you know this. Yeah, we haven't talked about enough. Yeah. Obviously I don't think you would want to be on it as a cast member, but what are your thoughts about that? That sounds. Because I was thinking, what's the equivalent of SNL over there? And then I just thought, oh, wait, I think they're doing.

[Dana Carvey]

They're doing one. Yeah.

[Brett Goldstein]

They just announced it. Yeah. I think there are so many fucking great sketch comedians and comedians in England that it could be amazing. I think for years everyone has tried to do an SNL and failed at it. So I think making an actual SNL might be the answer.

[David Spade]

Instead of a knockoff.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah. Instead of going like Sunday Morning recorded, like they're always trying. Right, right. And I've noticed, I think what they've always made the mistake of is they go to like the Edinburgh Festival and they find a sketch group and another sketch group who aren't friends, don't know each other and they go. They sort of mix and match random people. Whereas I think if they go to the groups that are, that have chemistry and have built something and put them in stuff and give them some autonomy, I think it could be amazing. It could be.

[Dana Carvey]

But I think that's a good observation. I think on snl, John Lovett's When I was there, knew Phil Hartman and Jan Hooks, knew these writers and there was a, A chemistry that started right away.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

And you need it right away because that first, first viewing people will be like, is this any good? That's the pressure of like, they don't go, you know what? We'll get it gelled around show 15 and they're like, we're gone. So that's the scary part, the pressure. Get it right right away. And if you have people that work together that would help. Like they come in with something.

[Brett Goldstein]

You've got to have a. That's such a weird thing. It's such a ephemeral thing. But I like SNL because it's like the Muppets I write. It is a gang show and it is.

[David Spade]

The chemistry of Dana was Fozzie Bear for sure.

[Dana Carvey]

It's a sporting event. But the thing about it being live is that we, it's, it's obliterated all the competition. We used to have so many, mostly tape. But variety shows were huge, I assume in England as well, in the 60s and 70s, early 80s. Now they've all disappeared. I tried one in primetime. Martin Short did all disappeared. There is no live 90 minute comedy show with a, with a really cool band and maybe a movie star. Or football player host. So you know, stay to that have, have a, an athlete. H, you just do the do all that. But you guys, between Ricky Gervais, I'll just loop leap around here. Peter Sellers of course. And I already mentioned Monty Python. It's one of your biggest exports, you know, is comedy.

[Brett Goldstein]

You know. Yeah, I think it's, I'd be really interested if they it up. I don't know the, the fact, facts, the backness of it as in if, if Lawrence involved, I don't know. Like if it's like would they ship.

[David Spade]

A Tina Fey over to help get it going? Would they do you know, I, I don't know what extent they would be involved, you know, because it's a very complicated show to do and there's got to be some shortcuts of people that have done it forever that can help alleviate the full on stress. It would be.

[Brett Goldstein]

Would you guys.

[David Spade]

Yeah, let's go. I would go, no, I don't think I'm good enough. Dana might be good. Dana should be the first host to sort of tie it all together.

[Dana Carvey]

I would go, I would just stay with. I mean there's two lanes of that show. One, one lane is that you're seeing some unknown people, comedians come on the show and so you're watching them evolve and you're kind of rooting for them and seeing them get, find the audience get more confident. And that is a reality show. So when the show bombs, so to speak, it should be just as interesting as when it kills because it's live. Oh, this sketch is bombing. And, and you know, it's kind of.

[David Spade]

Fun for the audience.

[Dana Carvey]

Jake is the guest host and he's really, he's horrible, right?

[David Spade]

Oh yeah. He could be the first guest host too. Sorry, Dana. You're pushed out your second week.

[Dana Carvey]

And then an athlete or someone who's never done comedy in their life is forced to do sketch comedy. So if they do it, great. That's another secret sauce.

[David Spade]

You have a lot of those over there. You could do that.

[Dana Carvey]

Those are two. And then constantly have Paul McCartney sing.

[David Spade]

Let It Be every week and JLo. Yeah, every week to promote the movie. We got to hurry up and get this SNL going though.

[Brett Goldstein]

Tell me, have you, what do you, what's your like secret when you're bombing if the sketch isn't working, do you do, do you feel. No.

[David Spade]

Dan is bombing if he's on stage?

[Dana Carvey]

Well, Will Ferrell, famously. No, I, I, I, I could easily. That show can go south in, in a second, you know, because it's so under rehearsed and live, the audience can be weird.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. Will Ferrell is famously the most. Like, if a sketch starts to bomb, his commitment goes up exponentially, goes harder.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

And so, yeah, you just sort of. It's all madness, but it's, it's very much under rehearse and, and there's rewrites right before you go on and it's, you know, you're going to get it right off the cue card. But that's what gives it this, this, this chemistry, this excitement, you know, so. And Live from London just sounds funny to me. It's a little bit like the Clash. London calling. Maybe that should be the theme. But live from London, you know, it's like, is there any other town it could be from out there?

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Live from Liverpool.

[Brett Goldstein]

Live from Birmingham. That has to be London.

[Dana Carvey]

Has to be London. London calling.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah. You're frozen with a thumbs up, like you're really pleased about it, you know.

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[David Spade]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[Dana Carvey]

Films to be buried with. Been doing that for years.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yes.

[Dana Carvey]

And it's really the premise of. And I, I did think about it. Movies that affected you.

[Brett Goldstein]

It's like the film that made you cry the most. The film that scared you the most.

[Dana Carvey]

The Sexiest Exorcist scared me the most.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

2001 A Space Odyssey at 13 in a Cinerama dome in Seattle. Blew my mind, basically. Didn't know, didn't have any precursor. Like what is this about? And everything about that movie. I actually, a few years ago they were gonna. They did the 50th, whatever anniversary. And I saw it six times over two months at the Arc Light Theater in LA. It's just kind of a spiritual experience.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

It's a meditative experience. And I don't know why Kubrick, how he kind of does that. What is the secret of the off kilter acting kind of. You know how. And the casualness. They're getting the sandwich in the spaceship and all they know is this thing's been around. There's some magic to that film for sure. I think It's a Wonderful Life. I don't know why, but even if I bring this up in casual conversation, I get choked up.

[Brett Goldstein]

He's back.

[Dana Carvey]

He's back. We're talking about It's a Wonderful Life. Talking about movies. It's where they. That his life, the angel he sees what it'd be like if he wasn't born. And then he's euphoric and the townspeople show up and someone says to his character, we heard George Bailey was in trouble. That always stuck with me. We heard. And I've always teared up about that.

[David Spade]

When I bring it up to tear up now, I could a little bit. You are.

[Dana Carvey]

There's something about that, you know. So what about you? What just. What movie?

[David Spade]

Yeah. Start crying.

[Dana Carvey]

What's. What scared you the most besides Tommy boy.

[David Spade]

You see the. Did you see the Exorcist?

[Brett Goldstein]

I did see. You know what? I saw the Exodus when I was young and I thought it was stupid. And then I watched it.

[David Spade]

You got scared later?

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah, I got scared like a year ago when I watched it. I was like, oh, my God, that is so scary. I didn't think I was little.

[David Spade]

I would never watch that.

[Dana Carvey]

How old were you when they.

[Brett Goldstein]

I was like six. And I was like, this stupid little girl.

[David Spade]

That's just this bullshit.

[Dana Carvey]

Interesting.

[David Spade]

Dana, ask him about. I will, because I. I'm too embarrassed. Ask him when he did that audition, which he's probably talked about, for Ted Lasso. Did you film it alone in your room? I have to hear every goddamn detail. That's so funny.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, just set the table for your writer on Ted Lasso there' and you're thinking, maybe I'm right.

[Brett Goldstein]

Right on Ted Lasso.

[David Spade]

I love it.

[Dana Carvey]

I know.

[David Spade]

You've probably told the best thing you've ever done.

[Dana Carvey]

Embellish it this time. Let's get some details.

[David Spade]

Give us extra.

[Brett Goldstein]

I will give you. I'll give you one. One extra detail. I don't usually get. All right, we're writing it. I get the thought that I think I could do Roy Kent, but I know not a single person in the room is thinking that. Everyone. And I know that if I say.

[David Spade]

It out loud, everyone will be, like, embarrassing. I love it.

[Brett Goldstein]

Embarrassing.

[David Spade]

You know, would be good for this.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

That's how you start.

[Dana Carvey]

If we can't find anyone, I don't.

[David Spade]

Think we can actually. Super talented.

[Brett Goldstein]

You know, what if he had really big eyebrows? Just putting it out there. Putting it out there. Anyway, I wait till we finish writing, and then I make a self tape. But what I did with the self tape, I went to Mosaic, which is my manager's office, and they, like, do.

[David Spade]

Oh, in la.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah, yeah, it was in la. That's where we were.

[David Spade]

Oh, okay.

[Brett Goldstein]

And. And, you know, I don't know if you've done this, but they have, like, whoever the assistants are at the time, they can read in with you and they can. All right, so I did my scenes with this Norwegian guy who was like an intern. So the scenes I'm acting with Keely in, the original self tape, it's me going like, Keely. And Keely's like, hello. And it's like.

[David Spade]

And not even an actor.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah. A sort of deadpan Norwegian man was playing Keeley. And I recorded five scenes and I flew back to England. Like, I finished my contract and I flew back to England. And when I got on a plane, I sent Bill Lawrence the tape. And I said, thanks for everything. I said, look, I've been thinking I could play Roy Kemp, but I appreciate that no one's thinking this. This is really embarrassing. If this is shit I will never ask you about it. We can pretend this never happened, but if this is good, here's the tape. And then when I landed, it was like an overnight flight. When I landed, I got an email saying, this is fucking awesome. I'm gonna send it.

[David Spade]

Oh, really?

[Dana Carvey]

Wow. Well, I wanna have a question about.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

The character that you play. And, like, we're getting to know you now. So you really did. Like, the body language is so funny and interesting of Roy Kent.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

You know, and also, obviously, you went lower, a little more gravelly. And he's sort of an alpha. Alpha type character, you know? So did you have that in the audition tape or that evolve as you kind of got on this?

[Brett Goldstein]

I think I had the posture in the tape because I knew he. It was all based on a load of things, but I knew he was like a guy who had been told since. Little shoulders back, head forward. Like he'd been told that.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Brett Goldstein]

And that he was leading. Like he's ready to headbutt someone at all times where he's leading. But the voice. The voice was like halfway there in the. In the September, I think.

[David Spade]

And they wanted you to play it up.

[Brett Goldstein]

No, I just felt right once I was there with. Once you're sort of faced with. It's funny because you. You know, I've done this tape with a Norwegian guy in a room, but then suddenly there's 20 men and you have to be super.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

Oh, tougher.

[Dana Carvey]

Dominant.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

So what was the line? I mean is. You get. What. What did he say? Something had to happen. I think it was in the audition tape and in the show, so. Or I'm gonna start punching something.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah. Silence. Where I'm gonna start punching dicks.

[Dana Carvey]

And how would. Roy can't. You don't have to do the care. You want me to do it?

[Brett Goldstein]

I'm like. You're impression of it. Because you're very good.

[Dana Carvey]

I don't know. I don't know. Now you got me.

[David Spade]

I use that line when I'm waiting too long at cheesecake.

[Dana Carvey]

We've got to be silent in here. I'm gonna start punching dicks.

[David Spade]

I'll punch your dad. Line them up.

[Dana Carvey]

You're f dick. So you get to swear.

[David Spade]

Balls are next.

[Dana Carvey]

I remember Sandler did a movie. Sorry. With Paul Thomas Anderson. I go, God, you're so good in that. He goes, carvey. I got to swear, you know, so you're. You're yourself. You're on the phone. What the. And so your character. How many square words per episode are you Allotted. Someone did count it.

[Brett Goldstein]

I think it's in the hundreds. It's in the hundreds season.

[David Spade]

You got a real anora on your hands. What about. Do you swear in your stand up? I don't even remember.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yes, I do. Yeah.

[David Spade]

Oh, boy.

[Brett Goldstein]

I found that interesting when I started doing gigs in America. Like smaller gigs when I was first coming out here. And they'd be like, do you have a clean set? And I was like, what's a clean set?

[David Spade]

That's so true.

[Brett Goldstein]

Vision in England, we just. It's just standard.

[David Spade]

It's like everyone's dirty.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah, but it's also like, what do you mean a clean set? Isn't this an adult evening out?

[David Spade]

Right. But some clubs want to clean. That's funny. Or some headliners, if you. When I used to open a middle, they'd say, keep it clean. And I'm like, huh. So I always sort of looked at a clean tip because you were also eyeballing doing Letterman or doing a late night show and you had to be clean. So your manager would say, you're wasting it because you can't do that bit.

[Dana Carvey]

And I'm like, right. The level of what you can do on a late night talk show is kind of. But so what's the. As far as your special coming out, what's the. What's the bit that is the bluest. We call it blue.

[Brett Goldstein]

5 minute bit about the C word and how America is scared of it.

[David Spade]

Oh, Brett. Oh, my mom just called. She goes, oh, you don't need that.

[Dana Carvey]

We know. We.

[David Spade]

We know that about mom doesn't like act. I like Dana. He's. He's clever and he's fun. Clean and cheerful, you know, come on, are you clean?

[Brett Goldstein]

You're clean. Your stand up clean. D.

[Dana Carvey]

For the most part. There's certain. There was. There's certain jokes that's kind of, you know, where the punchline is you. Or use as.

[Brett Goldstein]

Right?

[Dana Carvey]

And then I go, okay. And Jerry Seinfeld doesn't like that. Try to rewrite it. Where you don't need the word. You know, what do you need it for?

[David Spade]

Is that Seinfeld?

[Dana Carvey]

Seinfeld with a little Garbo in the back.

[David Spade]

Eeyore. Yeah. We also both do corporate gigs, me and Dana. And when they say do an hour, do 45 minutes and keep it clean, that's another way we work. And if, like I watch Dana on these, we do them together. Sometimes he's not 100% clean, but you don't even notice it. The whole tone, the whole vibe is like, fun. And it's really because they said. One guy told me, he goes, we just say that because Martin Lawrence did 20 minutes on eating. And I'm like, oh, okay.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, we get where the line is.

[David Spade]

That's where the line. Okay, I get so somewhere under. Yeah, I got. But that's what they're fearful of. Something happened once where people complain and you go, I got it. You won't even notice I'm dirty. It's, like, so goofy.

[Dana Carvey]

My goal is to get them to laugh at minutia that's been wound down into madness and get them to go with that for an extended period of time. And that's its own sort of pornographic, you know, I mean, you must have bits in your act that maybe get more laughs than you think they deserve or less laughs, or ones that you think are the most challenging for the audience in the sense of how abstract they are or, you know, everything is all the above.

[Brett Goldstein]

That's very interesting, I guess. I guess, yes, there was. There would be stuff I wouldn't do if it were a corporate gig, for sure. And I. But I still am like, I think I just fundamentally object to the idea of. Here is 200 adults in a room. And because it's corporate, they don't want anything rude.

[David Spade]

Like, can they handle it? It's like, yes, you can handle their children.

[Brett Goldstein]

I'm like, but they're still people. I think they'll probably really enjoy. I do. I want to do 10 minutes on eating pussy. I do get. Hands up. I get that.

[Dana Carvey]

Everybody has that bit. We've all got that. The audience wants it unbridled, but there's always people. There's the CEO, the company, and then there's the people who've been hired. And so they just don't want to. The HR department, but the audience, by and large, they're adults in America in 2025. What if they haven't heard you?

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Spade]

It's about people complaining, getting sued and saying, I was so offended, I was shaking. It's like, oh, because of Brett's filthy act. Who cares?

[Brett Goldstein]

Thinking about eating after that, I couldn't stop.

[David Spade]

I couldn't start doing it again.

[Dana Carvey]

It's not too late to drop in a bit. Go to the Comedy Store and just insert it into your special and just say, I don't know why I thought.

[David Spade]

Of this, but when you tape this, which I think is out now, April 26, I believe, so I think it's out now because we don't know what day it is today.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, oh. We don't know what day it is.

[David Spade]

Sorry. I think it's out anyway. We'll see. But Brett is there. Did you. I just did mine. And all you want to do is have one of your best crowds. I mean, they're obviously coming to see you, but the cameras sometimes throw people and it turns into a pretty good crowd.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah. How was yours? Tell me, tell me. The trick.

[David Spade]

Mine was, I did two. I did the same kind of thing. Two. One night. I think when you're Sandler and you've got an almost unlimited budget. He was just taping almost everywhere he went. Small, big, really thought out. He pictured, like a movie, and I think PTA was involved in one of them and maybe the Safdies. So. So he's got a lot going on and a lot of fun, and it's great. So I'm doing the more common to a night. But, yeah, I went to Denver, which is a great comedy town, and I did come out. The last one I did, the crowd was tougher, but they were masked, and I wasn't sure of that. And when I went out, they sounded muffled, which is a good.

[Dana Carvey]

You know, they were wearing masks.

[David Spade]

You know what they said? We can do it in Minneapolis. Austin says no. And they said, netflix isn't agreeing to do it with Austin because the parameters. But the parameters were they wouldn't wear masks. And I didn't know what the parameters were. I go, oh, but we can still do it. They go, yeah, we'll just do your next gig in Minneapolis. We'll just sell two shows. And then I was so in the zone about my own shit. I was like, oh, no. Because the opener wasn't doing as well. And I'm like, do not give me a rough crowd tonight, please, God, yes. And so that was. But this one was obviously unmasked and super fun, so I, I got lucky. Also, you have two shows that people don't know. You're sort of combining the two shows. Sometimes you use most of one, because sometimes you just hit one way better. What did you do? More of a combination?

[Brett Goldstein]

Well, I had that experience. I, I, Everyone had said to me, oh, your special crowds are just. They're so up for it. It's going to be amazing. And then that first crowd, you can tell, right? You can tell by the one joke.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Spade]

Anything.

[Brett Goldstein]

You just walk out by the. By the chair.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Brett Goldstein]

First there was so much stuff, and there was so, you know, wires everywhere.

[Dana Carvey]

And there's stuff in the lights, cameras whooshing around.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah. And I think it does throw them. And. And like this 7:00's quite early, you know, and that was the first show.

[David Spade]

And a little early. They're not drunk. They're just.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah, stage thing. And they went, yay. And I thought, oh, all you got was a yay.

[David Spade]

It was like, yeah, no, that's funny. Also, they. They bring them in a little earlier for that. So they're sitting forever. I don't think there's booze they don't want to see. Boo. I mean, unless you specifically ask.

[Dana Carvey]

And then they're seated with the technical issues. They can't get up, use the bathroom and stuff and. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I never have shot one that I felt was anywhere near the sets I did before that.

[David Spade]

But practice, that was.

[Brett Goldstein]

The late show was. Was excellent crowd. Like, then I was like, okay, we're good. We've got. We've got something with it.

[David Spade]

Did you use most of them?

[Brett Goldstein]

They were really good. They were really good. They were both very good. I'm very grateful to all of them.

[David Spade]

But, yeah, of course, I'm grateful anyone shows up.

[Brett Goldstein]

When I did a. We did a show in Minneapolis that when I toured, and that was the best crowd I've ever.

[David Spade]

Oh, see, that's why I said that'd.

[Dana Carvey]

Be a good one. What theater were you in? The Guthrie or Paramount, maybe?

[David Spade]

No, that was down.

[Brett Goldstein]

I'd have to go my calendar, because they do have.

[David Spade]

No, we'll give you 20 minutes.

[Brett Goldstein]

Could you give me 35 minutes?

[David Spade]

35. I love when you said you wrote Ted Lasso in la. I pictured you in a castle in England. Anything in England, I feel like it's a castle.

[Dana Carvey]

Anything with a British accent seems smarter, more sophisticated. You know, we've seen all your movies all these years.

[David Spade]

I always tell Dana, if I'm famous, I'll go over there. But I was. I went there for one day and I wasn't too sure. We went for Grown Ups, that movie. And we all went over there and stayed at the Soho. What's up?

[Brett Goldstein]

There's a gig in London that's the best gig in London called Always Be Comedy. The man who runs that gig, James Gill, he is obsessed with you, David Spade.

[David Spade]

I'm telling you off camera, I might hit you up and say, hey, tell me about this thing, and I might go do it sometime.

[Brett Goldstein]

He. He can't believe I'm doing this podcast. Like, he's so excited. And he said, get him up. Get him to do my gig. Like, you will be very famous in that room.

[David Spade]

Took you 44 minutes to get to this. But this pitch, but thank you. And I might hit you up. So unblock me and I'm going to hit you on Instagram. And then all my messages flood through once you unblock me, I'm like, dude, I just saw you in the parking lot. The improv.

[Brett Goldstein]

Why did you drive away as I was chasing after you, waving?

[David Spade]

I really just have to look at my act, like, you know, you might. Because I didn't get a chance to hear your whole hour, obviously. But I, I have to wonder. The big subjects, work overseas, politics, marriage, relationships. And when I. I look at my act, I've got to see what I have to throw out because I just don't know, you know, well, also.

[Brett Goldstein]

But there's much more. Everything's everywhere right now. Like, I. I think the stuff you're scared wouldn't work. Would work.

[David Spade]

I should just try it and see what happens because I'll blame them every.

[Dana Carvey]

Everybody looks at Daily Mail because it's crack cocaine brain.

[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

So, by the way, you're doing a movie with with Jennifer Lopez currently, right?

[Brett Goldstein]

Yes. Yeah, we're filming at the moment. Yeah.

[David Spade]

Do you know what it's called? I do.

[Brett Goldstein]

You tell me.

[David Spade]

It's called Office Party.

[Dana Carvey]

Office Romance. Office Time.

[David Spade]

Yeah, it's called Office Shmo. Office.

[Dana Carvey]

Meet you at the office. What's it called? Meet you at the office.

[David Spade]

Yeah. So is it a rom com? Be honest.

[Brett Goldstein]

It's a rom com. It's a full rom com.

[Dana Carvey]

So this is you stepping outside the lines. Unless you wrote and produced this film.

[Brett Goldstein]

No, I did. I did co write this with Jake Kelly. And.

[David Spade]

And do you play Roy Kent in this? This is A lot of people are asking.

[Brett Goldstein]

No.

[David Spade]

Okay.

[Dana Carvey]

He plays Ted Lasso.

[Brett Goldstein]

I play Keely Jones in this one.

[David Spade]

JLo in my brief encounters with her is quite sweet and funny. Is this true?

[Brett Goldstein]

So funny.

[David Spade]

She's always funny and she's always friendly.

[Brett Goldstein]

Brilliant comedy actor. Like underrated. Like when you see a live. I'm like, hell, you're good at this. Like she's a really, really good comic actor.

[David Spade]

So you Wait, you just said you wrote it with your friend. Is that you said?

[Brett Goldstein]

Yes.

[David Spade]

And so you get, you get that get up on its feet.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

And then you figure out who's the leading lady, who's the rest of it, where you shoot. That's all. You're in on all that. That's great.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah, yeah. We wrote it on it on a train. Whilst making Ted Lasso, we sort of had the idea.

[David Spade]

Did you think of calling it Office Train?

[Brett Goldstein]

We did. We thought Office Station. We.

[David Spade]

You could all do it could all be played on the train.

[Dana Carvey]

How did you try to make it spin? How did you spin it? Because it is a genre.

[David Spade]

What's the sort of rough pitch?

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah, the hook is, I suppose I can't tell you much, but I can tell you the aim is it's like a really proper, classy old school rom com. Like a Nora Ephron type film but with hard, hard jokes.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, okay.

[David Spade]

Oh, good, good. That any aliens and aliens. Okay, good. That's another good hook.

[Dana Carvey]

Is it too late for David to do a nice little cameo? He walks in.

[David Spade]

What about the guy that steals the girls? That part taken? That's me.

[Brett Goldstein]

Dude, this stuff. What else could you. What else could you bring at this very late.

[David Spade]

That's it. That's my only move. The good looking, dashing dude that runs in and she glances at me and sprints toward me. Hey, this dude, I didn't know about this guy. He was on the planet.

[Dana Carvey]

Bye.

[David Spade]

Bye. So I think rom com with R rated is interesting. I can't really think of one, so. I like that idea.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

Sounds more real.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yes, hopefully. I think it's gonna be good.

[David Spade]

I like that.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

So of your. Of your two children, Ted Lasso and shrinking, which one's your favorite?

[David Spade]

Get off my couch.

[Dana Carvey]

Get off my couch. Chewy. I'm not Chewy. I'm Brett. You're Chewy to me.

[David Spade]

That's Harrison Ford.

[Dana Carvey]

If you don't know that show. And I love Harrison Ford.

[Brett Goldstein]

My wife.

[David Spade]

You can't see our shaking fingers. That's a big part.

[Dana Carvey]

I know. No one gets mad like Harrison Ford. He's so good, man.

[Brett Goldstein]

My wife.

[Dana Carvey]

That Chewy.

[David Spade]

Your ticks got in my soup again.

[Dana Carvey]

Chewy. Get me out of here. Shut the up, Chewy.

[David Spade]

It could be. He should be Chewy Doo. Like Scooby Doo. Like a collab.

[Dana Carvey]

So more entertaining. Brad.

[David Spade]

So Chewy had sex with Scooby. Oh, I guess I'll give up.

[Dana Carvey]

We can go anywhere you want. Where you're gonna play Hercules Potential. You did a cameo and now you're in the Marvel universe.

[Brett Goldstein]

Well, I, I, I, I mean, gun to head, I can't say anything, but at the same time, I think that's probably it on that one.

[Dana Carvey]

Okay.

[David Spade]

I like gun dance.

[Dana Carvey]

I thought, what's the difference between Hercules and Roy Kent?

[Brett Goldstein]

One is a Greek God and the other one is a hairy guy from Tooting.

[David Spade]

Yeah. What's your favorite soccer team called? Tottenham or something?

[Brett Goldstein]

Tottenham? Yeah. How'd you know that? Okay, who you've been speaking to?

[David Spade]

I didn't talk to my soccer buddy Bobby, and I said, because I have a Tottenham shirt.

[Brett Goldstein]

Oh, dear.

[David Spade]

And I. Yeah, I don't even know why, but. Oh, he gave it to me. And so I wear it. And if people ask me one question, I fall apart. So I just like to puff up.

[Dana Carvey]

Is Brendan Hunt dating Hana Waddington?

[David Spade]

You're reading that off the Internet?

[Brett Goldstein]

Rebecca.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh. Oh, Rebecca. That's right.

[Brett Goldstein]

Dating Rebecca. Do you mean. Hang on, what's the question?

[Dana Carvey]

I don't know.

[David Spade]

He doesn't know. He's reading the Internet or something.

[Dana Carvey]

I'm looking. I've got. Well, who's the. Who's the bad apple on the bunch in that cast? Oh, he's that difficult one.

[David Spade]

Now, you said in Ted Lasso, is that you're saying, yeah.

[Brett Goldstein]

Who's the bad apple in the cast? There genuinely isn't one. And I know that's an annoying answer, but, like, I don't.

[David Spade]

Who's the most difficult to work with? Go ahead. Dana on this podcast is the most out of us, too.

[Dana Carvey]

Juno Temple is coming back to play Keely.

[David Spade]

Oh, right.

[Dana Carvey]

It's coming back, right?

[Brett Goldstein]

That's correct. Yes, I believe so. Gun to head.

[David Spade]

Isn't there a girl named Keely on the show?

[Brett Goldstein]

Yes, Keely.

[David Spade]

And there's someone named Keely.

[Dana Carvey]

She's the loving.

[Brett Goldstein]

There are people in the world called Kaylee. Yeah.

[David Spade]

Is that a common name over. There's not one person here named Keely.

[Brett Goldstein]

Really? You have no Keelys?

[David Spade]

Zero.

[Brett Goldstein]

We got a couple of Keelys.

[David Spade]

Yeah. You got too many.

[Dana Carvey]

Were the negotiations tough to get the cast to come back or were you guys locked into a certain salary already?

[Brett Goldstein]

We all signed like contracts in the early days, you know, forever and ever.

[David Spade]

So they pick up.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah, I think so.

[David Spade]

That's good. Makes it easier. Yeah, Saves time.

[Brett Goldstein]

How long did you do Just shoot me? How many years was that?

[David Spade]

That was in your court? Well, we did six as a mid season replacement, they call it out here. And then we went straight through the old days, was 22 episodes a year. So we did about a little over six years. 148.

[Brett Goldstein]

Did you.

[David Spade]

It went over there, right? Is that. We saw it over there.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah, I saw it.

[David Spade]

Love it. Love it.

[Brett Goldstein]

Did you. What was your trajectory on that show in terms of enjoyment? Did you always enjoy it? Was there a bit in the middle where you were like, I've had enough of this and then you enjoyed it again or what?

[David Spade]

No. You know, I came from SNL and it was options. Like Dana said you could do your own show like the David Spade goofy sitcom. But I had seen that if it didn't work, all your heat's gone. They don't give you another try. So it was an ensemble, a writer from Larry Sanders, Steve Levitan and a good cast. And the network already liked it. I joined, they added me to a shot pilot. So we reshot it and added me because NBC was a little fuzzy on. They were on the, you know, back and forth with it. So I got added to it and I liked it the whole run. I have to say that it was one of the most fun runs because everyone, they were writing for me, which that's now was not exactly the case. They did in some, but you were sort of in charge of it. And then you've got everywhere you go is good people like on your show, I'm sure. And that's always more fun. And then also it was a little easier than snl. The hours and. And it was immediately in a top 20 or top 10. And we were in a heyday of Seinfeld and ER and Will and Grace and Friends and Frazier. And so we. We were at least in the vicinity. We weren't those shows, but we were with them, on the lot with them. And it was just all fun to see. Just a good run. I loved it. We and the last thing, and then I'll let you talk at the very end is we had done. Everyone had had something in their career was good and bad. And so everyone was really happy to be there and lucky and appreciated. And I think some shows, people get cocky because it's their first show and it works, and so they get sort of out of control. But we were like, we're. Every year we got picked up, we're like, this is so great. Because it could all go down to. Everyone knew it.

[Brett Goldstein]

What was your last day like?

[David Spade]

Tearjerker, of course. Bawling. If I knew we were going to do it again in a year, that would have been fun for me.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

But I guess yours isn't really a reboot because it's sort of just keep going, Right?

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah. There's been a big gap, and then we'll.

[David Spade]

Don't tell us any secrets, but you got Bill Lawrence, who's great.

[Dana Carvey]

Coaches. The women's team that got out. Ted does. So it makes. It sort of puts a spin on.

[David Spade]

He's not nodding or shaking his head. He's giving us nothing.

[Brett Goldstein]

Point out, I've got a gun to my head, remember?

[David Spade]

I know. I think this is the good thing about Marvel also is they don't even say when they're releasing their movies anymore. It's smart. They say, we did a big one last week, you guys missed it. And we're like, you're too secretive about that. All right, what else? What else for this young man? Dana, I know you had a lot, but we got to let him go. And we appreciate you, by the way, Brett, you're shooting a movie. You come in on the weekend, you help us out. We wanted to talk to you for a while, so thank you very much.

[Brett Goldstein]

Very cool. You both, very much. And I'm genuinely grateful I got to hang out with you. This is very, very cool for me. So thank you for your time.

[David Spade]

I want you to see me in better lighting, but that'll be, you know.

[Dana Carvey]

It'S fun to see someone on TV playing a character, you know, and then meeting you like this, it's. It's just interesting because all I knew was that, you know, character.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

So it's. I see why you won the Emmys. Compliment alert.

[David Spade]

Good job.

[Dana Carvey]

Compliment alert. Sorry. Back to back.

[Brett Goldstein]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Is a super compliment. But anyway, I mean, I can't. It's your podcast films to be buried.

[Brett Goldstein]

With, you know, and you have time. You should both come and do it one day. I would love to have you, but no pressure. There's Nothing worse than being asked to do a podcast. You're off the hook, but if.

[Dana Carvey]

I'll do that one in a second. I could talk about movies all day long, you know, But I. I want to know the movie before we go for you, that moved you the most.

[Brett Goldstein]

Well, I talked like E.T. i find traumatic. Like, I. I cried the most. Like, I. I remember my dad taking me and my sister. There was, like, a re release of ET and I was 3, 3, 4. I don't know, 4, 5. He took us to CET at the cinema. He's like, you're gonna love this. And we were crying so much that I remember turning to him and saying, why have you brought us to this?

[David Spade]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brett Goldstein]

Like, what is this? This feels like abuse. This is not. There's no fun here. I'm devastated.

[David Spade]

It is pretty rough if you're younger. I. I love E.T.

[Dana Carvey]

I'Ll be right here.

[David Spade]

I have the same build as E.T. you know, Brett, not to pl. I talk about E.T. of all movies. Of all movies.

[Brett Goldstein]

Dandelion.

[David Spade]

So random you say that, but that one did kind of rough me up too. I. I get it. I mean, those movies, like that or like, Bambi, when you're not ready for the beginning part and you're like, why? On who cleared this?

[Brett Goldstein]

You know what? My friend Roisin Connaughty, if you don't know, she's a brilliant comedian in England, and she. Her father died, and she once said to me, you know, Disney always has these films where the parent dies and things like that, and people say it's good for kids because it teaches them about death. She said that when her dad died, not for a second did she think, well, thank God I saw.

[David Spade]

No shit.

[Dana Carvey]

That's a really funny line.

[David Spade]

You're like, hey, your mom might die when you're 70, but we'll let you know what it feels like when you're six.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, that. That was all right, buddy. I would say.

[David Spade]

Yeah, you're doing good.

[Dana Carvey]

I don't know if you need any more plugs other than your specials out. Shrinking's coming Season two, Ted Lasso, season four, and everything else. Your podcast, how you find time to do it. Do you guys more than one a day or how you stack them?

[Brett Goldstein]

I do it the week I don't like. It's free time. I go. I get.

[David Spade]

Oh, you like to keep it busy.

[Brett Goldstein]

I get deep, deep darkness, if there's any space. So I just fill it up.

[David Spade]

Got it.

[Dana Carvey]

Huh. Well, that's a whole other podcast.

[David Spade]

We'll have yeah, exactly.

[Dana Carvey]

Next year. Yeah.

[Brett Goldstein]

Anyway, I think about death at the time. Anyway, lovely to see you guys.

[David Spade]

Hey, great. Death and darkness coming soon.

[Dana Carvey]

Severely depressed, but Ted Lasso is coming out. Jason Sudeikis will cheer you up.

[David Spade]

Anyway, tell Jason hello and good luck with everything with the movie.

[Brett Goldstein]

And guys, thank you for having me.

[Dana Carvey]

We'll see you around campus.

[David Spade]

This has been a presentation of Odyssey. Please Follow subscribe, Leave a Like a Review all this stuff. Smash that button, whatever it is, wherever you get your podcasts. Fly on the Wall is executive produced by Dana Carvey and David Spade, Jenna Weiss Berman of Odyssey and Heather Santoro. The show's lead producer is Greg Holtzman.