Chris Rock LIVE in LA

Summary

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Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey & David Spade

Episode: Chris Rock LIVE in LA

Date: May 14, 2026 | Guest: Chris Rock
Recorded: Orpheum Theater, as part of "Netflix is a Joke" Festival

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Episode Overview

In this vibrant live episode, Dana Carvey and David Spade sit down with comedy legend Chris Rock at the Orpheum Theater in Los Angeles. In front of a packed crowd, the trio delve deep into Rock’s storied comedy career, share behind-the-scenes tales from “Saturday Night Live” (SNL), riff on celebrity encounters, and offer reflections on showbiz, fame, and life changes. The conversation zips from riotous SNL memories to surprising music collaborations, movie insights, and current thoughts on AI and Hollywood’s shifting landscape. Unsurprisingly, the banter is quick, sharp, and peppered with classic impressions, irreverence, and heart.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. SNL & Early Comedy Days

• Lives Collide at SNL (04:17–05:00)
  • David reminisces about meeting Chris on SNL and their decades-long friendship.
  • Chris describes joining SNL in '91 ("91. Michael Jackson was alive!" – Chris Rock, 04:47), with playful jabs at the era and cast.
• Early Encounters with Eddie Murphy (69:07–71:22)
  • Chris shares the surreal story of meeting Eddie Murphy as a new comic:
    “Eddie laughs. Eddie proceeds to tell me my whole life … literally predicts my whole future.” (70:47)
• Affection for Adam Sandler (68:42–73:30)
  • Chris calls him "Adam Sandler Claus" and reveals Sandler may be his oldest friend.
  • Recalls seeing Sandler do standup during a period when he expected to dislike him but ended up a lifelong fan.

2. Showbiz Stories: Legends, Parties, and Rappers

• Michael Jackson Anecdotes (07:00–10:08)
  • Dana, David, and Chris exchange surreal stories about Michael Jackson—including being cut from a Jackson music video (David) and receiving a brief Oscars pep call from MJ (Chris).
  • Memorable: “That was the only note for the whole video. Take me out.” —David Spade (08:22)
• Comedy Store Star Encounters (11:02–13:40)
  • Chris talks about late-night hangs with Chappelle, Kanye, Louis CK, and Shane Gillis—the “Canceled All Stars” (11:30)—with Kanye, who “gets away with low effort,” stealing the spotlight.
  • “You’re like, is that a wax figure of Kanye? Like, just that famous.” – Chris Rock (12:30)
• Top 5 Rappers (18:54–21:00)
  • Chris’s current list: “I would put Kanye number one ... I’m loving Kendrick ... Snoop ... Jay-Z ... Eminem,” but tweaks and debates it live (18:54).
  • Comic friction with Tupac: “Tupac did not like me ... it’s always the same shit, fucking the same girls, right?... But we definitely had a little, like ... mean mugging.” (20:07–21:31)

3. Behind the Curtain: SNL Guest Hosts & Awkward Moments

• Star Power at SNL (24:16–25:02)
  • Tom Hanks’ “crushing” read-throughs impressed Chris:
    “I couldn’t believe how talented Tom Hanks was.” (24:29)
  • Hosts with no “star power” sometimes “flatline during the week.” (24:44–25:02)
• The Infamous Steven Seagal (25:02–27:59)
  • The trio roast Seagal’s disastrous SNL appearance, his “bodyguard-movie star” aura, and inability to cold-read:
    “At that moment there is really a mafia that literally shoved this guy in a fucking movie.” – Chris Rock (26:07)
  • Dana recalls pitching sketches to Seagal, Seagal’s unamused stoicism, and Arnold Schwarzenegger’s response to Seagal’s boastful threats.

4. Comedy, Evolution, and Making It

• Chris’s Turning Point: “Bring the Pain” (36:01–42:25)
  • After SNL and In Living Color, Chris felt stuck until “Bring the Pain”—his breakout HBO special.
  • “My brother Andre goes, 'You’re better than that guy.' … It hadn’t occurred to me ... sometimes the kid ... doesn’t realize he’s bigger than the bully.” (38:05)
  • Insights on wanting to be a “comics comic” like George Wallace:
    “All I wanted out of stand up was to be George Wallace.” (39:23)
  • The drive of a “big ass mortgage” forced Chris to up his game.
  • On recording sets and evolving: “I would record it, I would listen the next day.” (41:03)
• Leaning into Cable Stardom (42:05–42:19)
  • “I guess they’re channeling, but I’m one of the first cable stars...” – Chris Rock

5. Hollywood, Movies, and Residuals

• Movie Roles & Money Moments (43:02–49:47)
  • Chris on being cut out of “Beverly Hills Ninja,” then cut back in retroactively after “Bring the Pain” hit.
  • On “Madagascar”: revealed as his “biggest mailbox check” (47:51), with Dana regretfully having turned it down:
    “Are you allergic to money?” – Chris Rock (48:04)
  • DreamWorks’ generosity—“They made so much money, none of them ever worked again.” (48:49)
  • Eddie Murphy nearly cost Chris a major gig as Donkey in “Shrek”:
    “At least twice they negotiated deals with me to play Donkey. And then Eddie just went downstairs.” (49:22)

6. Showbiz Absurdities & Social Satire

• On the Met Gala & Rich Circles (32:37–35:08)
  • Chris is bemused by elite events: “Just a tux, thank you times. I don’t … know what it’s for.” (32:57)
  • “If you’re nice to him, he’ll let you on his boat.” On mingling with “button moguls” (34:15)
• On Drivers and Celebrities (30:21–32:26)
  • “You’re not paying them to drive. You’re paying them to shut the up.” – Chris Rock (31:49)
  • Chris riffs on Tiger Woods’ notorious lack of Black or Asian friends at his press conference.

7. Current Affairs: AI & The Industry

• AI in Comedy & Writing (61:54–62:44)

  • “AI just in my business, it’s a drum machine ... I don’t think it’ll make shitty writers good because the good writers will have it too.” – Chris Rock (62:02)
  • Reflects on real job losses in tech, but doubts AI alone bridges the talent gap.

• Hollywood Shifts & Shooting in LA (63:04–63:31)

  • Chris filmed his new movie “Misty Green” in LA, discussing cost, recession worries, and putting his own money into the project.

8. Chris Rock’s New Film & Artistic Direction

• “Misty Green”: Chris’s Next Movie (56:00–57:18)
  • First details about “Misty Green,” an A24 dramedy starring Rosalind Eleazar, Anna Kendrick, Daniel Kaluuya, Adam Driver, and more.
  • Described as “a female Uncut Gems” about a woman whose sugar daddy dies.
  • On Adam Driver: “When you get an actor that good, every take you’re like, whoa.” (57:23)

9. Fame, Kids, and Everyday Life

• Fame’s Odd Perks & Kids’ Indifference (55:47–55:55)

  • Chris: “My kids don’t know nothing I’ve done and could care less ... in a healthy way.”

• Brad Pitt’s Irresistible Gravity (65:56–66:53)

  • “It’s like when a pit bull gets loose in the neighborhood—every woman knows exactly where the fuck Pitt is in the room.” (65:56)
  • “If I have a chance, I’m not going to fuck it up tonight over Chris Rock.” (66:42)

• Day Off Media Habits (64:31–65:11)

  • Chris: “I love my Apple TV. I have the Apple TV hooked up in every hotel room ... I’m watching Euphoria right now.” (64:31, 64:54)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "I'm like Black Gump, man. I've met them all." – Chris Rock [22:22]
• “To be Black and get on a boat leisurely is … that’s a great thing.” – Chris Rock [35:23]
• “At that moment, you realize there is really a mafia that literally shoved this guy in a fucking movie.” — Chris Rock on Steven Seagal [26:07]
• “You’re not paying them to drive. You’re paying them to shut the up.” — Chris Rock on celebrity drivers [31:49]
• “Crack in the VCR came out at the same time ... Crack was insane. Anyway.” — Chris Rock on Bed-Stuy in the late ‘80s [74:30]
• "My kids don't know nothing I've done and could care less. In a healthy way." — Chris Rock [55:48]

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Segment Timestamps for Key Topics

• SNL and Early Comedy Years – [04:17–05:00][69:07–71:22]
• Michael Jackson Stories – [07:00–10:08]
• Comedy Store "Canceled All Stars" Night – [11:02–13:40]
• Top 5 Rappers & Tupac Friction – [18:54–21:31]
• SNL Guest Host Memories: Tom Hanks, Steven Seagal – [24:16–27:59]
• "Bring the Pain" Comedy Breakthrough & Standup Process – [36:01–42:25]
• Movie Money, “Madagascar” & Donkey Almosts – [43:02–49:47]
• Met Gala, Boats & Celebrity Absurdity – [32:37–35:08]
• Fame’s Odd Perks & Kids' Reactions – [55:47–55:55]
• “Misty Green” and Directing – [56:00–57:18]
• AI and Hollywood’s Future – [61:54–62:44]
• Chris Rock and Adam Sandler Origin Story – [68:42–73:46]
• Brad Pitt’s “Gravity” – [65:56–66:53]
• Everyday Life & TV Habits – [64:31–65:14]

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Tone & Flow

The episode is a comedic, rapid-fire mix of irreverent storytelling, nostalgic showbiz details, friendly ribbing, and moments of surprising candor. Carvey and Spade’s banter sets up Rock’s punchlines, observations, and recollections, creating an experience that’s both hilarious and illuminating for comedy and entertainment fans.

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For Listeners New to the Show

• This episode gives a rich, inside look at the evolution of Chris Rock as a comic, his place in the SNL pantheon, and his enduring friendships with the likes of Sandler, Spade, and Carvey.
• The live LA audience energy adds spice to the tales and laughter.
• Profound and silly, industry and personal, the stories span decades and dive deep into comedy’s heart.

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Transcript

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[David Spade]

Guys, we got an exciting one. This is not a repeat. This is a new version of Chris Rock Live at the Orpheum Theater which we shot and had a blast. Always fun with an audience, especially with Chris.

[Dana Carvey]

Yes, and we're out there in three chairs. We had our cameras, pretty big audience. I mean the Netflix is a joke, is like 8, 18 million shows. But Chris was great. We learned a lot. We went in some places that are very funny. I mean he just has a lot of stories that involve a lot of well known people, you know, and there was some pretty fascinating.

[David Spade]

We were pulling some names out of them and God, we went back to SNL again. We always do that, but there's always something. We went back to pre snl, how he met Sandler, old Eddie Murphy stuff, where he met Eddie. A lot of great stuff that I don't remember doing that in the first time we talked.

[Dana Carvey]

No, no, I learned a lot and he was great. We had a great time. We're gonna now tell, you know, repeat some of the main jokes.

[David Spade]

So you go ahead. No, we're not. But I have to say I did laugh a lot. He didn't walk through It. He came in in a good mood, excited. The crowd was into it. And it's one of those fun ones where you just start laughing and we're just kind of all over the place cracking each other up.

[Dana Carvey]

Yep.

[David Spade]

It's great time.

[Dana Carvey]

No further ado. Or what do you call it? No further ado. Is that the phrase? Close enough with no further ado.

[David Spade]

Without further ado.

[Dana Carvey]

The one and only Chris Rock.

[David Spade]

It's almost over. Almost over.

[Dana Carvey]

Close. 20 minutes.

[David Spade]

You're over here.

[Chris Rock]

No.

[David Spade]

He gets suspicious. Mind. Why Funny.

[Chris Rock]

Wow. Wow. People dud. Okay. Hello. Hi.

[David Spade]

There you go. Can you see?

[Chris Rock]

Wow. Downtown.

[Dana Carvey]

We are not doing standup. Just so you know.

[David Spade]

Just everyone pours out. No.

[Dana Carvey]

We.

[David Spade]

We decided where is the most dangerous place we can do this and what's the farthest. And it took some work, but we.

[Dana Carvey]

Ted Sarando said 6 o' clock way downtown. I said, teddy, I am in, brother.

[Chris Rock]

I'm so Chris.

[Dana Carvey]

Thanks. Thanks for coming

[Chris Rock]

here. This has nothing to do with my contractual obligations.

[Dana Carvey]

Of course.

[Chris Rock]

Netflix and Ted Sarandos.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Chris Rock]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Three different. Nothing to do with that.

[Chris Rock]

It's all to do with my three special deal.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

And a pod. Well, we appreciate you coming. Chris is one of my good buddies. Little background on him. We did the old SNL together. That's where I met him. And.

[Dana Carvey]

Right.

[David Spade]

Such a. Legitimately one of my best buds in the showbiz world and would do anything. Anything for this guy. So I'm really glad to see him. In general. It's good to see him here. Dana's fine.

[Chris Rock]

But it's 91.

[Dana Carvey]

It's all right.

[David Spade]

91. I know. I don't like to throw these.

[Chris Rock]

91. Michael Jackson was alive.

[David Spade]

Yep.

[Dana Carvey]

And you just got out of high

[Chris Rock]

school and an outstanding citizen.

[David Spade]

Michael Jackson was killing.

[Dana Carvey]

91 was a good. I waited on Michael Jackson as a busboy waiter in 1975. And I would bring him a plate of raw carrots. And they were playing the Circle Star theater. The Jackson 5. And there he was. And he'd always.

[Chris Rock]

A plate of raw carrots.

[Dana Carvey]

Raw carrots. And he would look in a mirror.

[Chris Rock]

Was he fucking rabbits?

[Dana Carvey]

I don't know. Janet was jumping up and down on the bed. She's like 8 years old. I go, please don't do that.

[Chris Rock]

Oh, they were that small. Well, yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

He's probably 14 or 15.

[David Spade]

Wow.

[Chris Rock]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

And he was looking in the mirror and I brought him the carrots. And I got kind of familiar. And I said, you know, you could do a little something. And I just dropped it. You know. I felt terrible. That was pretty good. Long way to go.

[Chris Rock]

Wow.

[David Spade]

Joe Jackson.

[Dana Carvey]

Chris Rock is our guest.

[Chris Rock]

Yes.

[David Spade]

Oh, I don't know if we're going to keep getting applause off that. We're going to keep trying. Joe Jackson ordered three eggs and a belt. Anyway, I saw the movie. No, wait, I'll tell you Michael Jackson story.

[Dana Carvey]

Chris, so 91, when you came in, what was your first impression of? Sorry, I didn't know. Were you starting?

[David Spade]

I didn't.

[Dana Carvey]

The monitors have a lot of reverb.

[David Spade]

I feel like it's really kicking back. If they. The mics are a little hot. Is that foul?

[Dana Carvey]

I don't know. I can't really understand what you're saying. So that's not a good thing, I guess.

[David Spade]

No, it is a rock. You know more about this. Are we getting a lot of kickback on these monitors?

[Dana Carvey]

You were a sound engineer.

[David Spade]

It feels echoey.

[Dana Carvey]

I mean, did you guys.

[Chris Rock]

Did you guys do a sound check?

[David Spade]

Wouldn't that be great?

[Chris Rock]

That's what I do normally.

[David Spade]

Wouldn't that be professional?

[Dana Carvey]

Sound check. Just didn't have time. No, it's wonderful.

[David Spade]

I left my house at noon. I was planning on getting there for a sound check. Oh, someone's screaming already.

[Dana Carvey]

We've just added a second show. That's unbelievable.

[David Spade]

I was going to tell you a story that is so uninteresting, but I'm going to tell it. I did. This is my only brief Michael Jackson sex story. No, this is just my brief interactions. I was out in town. I had a joke about Michael Jackson when I first moved out here. Just throwaway joke. And then the director of his videos was. Was doing his latest one, Liberian Girl, which wasn't a super banger, but it

[Dana Carvey]

was on the director of Three Amigos.

[Chris Rock]

No.

[David Spade]

God, I can't remember his name.

[Dana Carvey]

Filmophiles.

[David Spade]

He did a lot of commercials and stuff. Anyway, Jim Ukich, maybe. Anyway, so he says, hey, I'm doing this video. And we're just having all cameos, but it was like Dan Akron. It was like big stars. And he goes, do you want to be in it?

[Dana Carvey]

You just.

[David Spade]

We're just talking and doing stuff. You could just say your joke. So I said some stupid joke about it, but I was so excited to be in it. And then I wasn't in the video. And then I saw the director maybe three years ago and I said, hey. He goes, do you remember me? I was the director of that video you did. And I go, oh, yeah, I wasn't in it. And he goes, oh, that's right. He goes, you know what? Funny story. I didn't want to hear it. He goes, michael would never talk to me about editing, but I showed him a cut and he called me in the middle of the night and said, hey, who's David Spade? And he goes, oh, he's a comedian. And he just had a joke about you. So he put it in there. And he goes, take him out. And he goes, that was the only note for the whole video. Take me out. I was like. And he goes, anyway, good seeing you. And I'm like, well, now that's what I gotta live with about Michael Jackson. So anyway, we got time for one more.

[Chris Rock]

My Michael Jackson story.

[David Spade]

Oh, you got a Michael Jackson story. This one will be way better.

[Dana Carvey]

We got cut out. Chris, you're up.

[Chris Rock]

My Michael Jackson story. It's a weird. Okay, I got two. Okay. No, no. The first time I hosted the Oscars, there was like a crew guy, a guy in the crew, like a gaffer or something. And I guess he used to work at Michael's house or whatever. Cause Michael always did all sorts of stuff. And the guy literally gave me his phone. Somebody wants to talk to you.

[David Spade]

Oh, wow.

[Chris Rock]

And he gives me the phone saying, hey, Chris, it's Michael. Break a leg. Okay. And that was it.

[David Spade]

That's better than mine already. Yeah. That's fucking cool though.

[Dana Carvey]

Man of very few words, but to the point, when was that?

[David Spade]

How long ago?

[Chris Rock]

It was the first time I hosted, so. Yeah, yeah.

[David Spade]

Because I remember when he passed away was in the Woodman's chocolate wasted scene at. In Grown Ups.

[Chris Rock]

Yeah, we were in. We were in. In.

[David Spade]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. On the picnic tables. We went to lunch and someone said it. I don't think we had Instagram or anything, but someone. It's the rumor went around where everyone's like, oh, my God, he just passed away. And I remember Mama Rizzoni, your mother in law in the movie.

[Chris Rock]

Yes.

[David Spade]

Was very sad. It was hitting her very hard. And I told her it wasn't for sure, that it was just a rumor because I. She had to have a softer landing. She was totally. Already started crying.

[Chris Rock]

She was really bad.

[David Spade]

Yeah, but that was. Oh, that was in Grown Ups. Applause.

[Dana Carvey]

Thank you. 181 million domestic.

[David Spade]

3,000 million.

[Dana Carvey]

You guys all got a car from Adam. I understand.

[David Spade]

Where's your car?

[Dana Carvey]

Did you get a car?

[Chris Rock]

I prefer money, but yeah. But we did get a car.

[Dana Carvey]

You got a car? What kind of car?

[David Spade]

Everyone loves here. Feel good stories about rich people getting richer.

[Dana Carvey]

You star in the movie, you're globally famous and you get a car.

[Chris Rock]

Yes.

[Dana Carvey]

Nice.

[David Spade]

Everyone's like, oh, good for them.

[Chris Rock]

Definitely. Right in the homeless capital of the world.

[Dana Carvey]

Don't believe me? Walk outside.

[David Spade]

Anyway,

[Chris Rock]

we're literally inside. India is outside.

[David Spade]

We stumbled into India. So I heard the other night you guys all went to the Comedy Store.

[Chris Rock]

I missed out.

[David Spade]

It sounds like fun. So you rolled with a pretty fun crew. The Comedy Store is always fun, like Comedy Cellar. When you go in, there's tons of comics, but because this is the festival, they're all kind of smashed in. And when they're lost or don't have a sense of direction, you can always go to the Comedy Store. And so you went in. I heard it was you, Chappelle, Kanye, Louie. Did anybody go on? Or you just go in there to go watch?

[Dana Carvey]

Wait, Kanye west and Louis ck?

[Chris Rock]

Yes. The canceled All Stars.

[Dana Carvey]

Because Dave Chappelle,

[David Spade]

that's Mount Rushmore.

[Dana Carvey]

It fits somehow. How do you fit into that group? I don't understand that.

[David Spade]

Chris is the nicest.

[Dana Carvey]

You don't fit.

[Chris Rock]

You know, I'm cool. Cool. I'm, like, ludicrous. I'm cool with everybody.

[David Spade]

Sure. So you go in. Do you watch or do you just. Does anybody go on?

[Chris Rock]

Dave went on Shane Gillis, too.

[David Spade]

Shane Gillis, another. Another home run hitter.

[Dana Carvey]

He's doing very well.

[Chris Rock]

He's doing all right. So, yeah, Dave went on Shane, Louie, then me. Then Dave comes on and brings out Kanye.

[David Spade]

What was his McDonald's bit?

[Chris Rock]

People. I mean, Kanye's like. I remember when people would do Letterman and he was just so famous. It was. Somebody said it was like sitting next to a $5 bill, you know?

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Chris Rock]

And Kanye. You don't like. You're like, is that a wax figure of Kanye? Like, just that famous?

[David Spade]

Like, is that the real guy?

[Chris Rock]

Yeah. Is that the real guy? Yeah.

[David Spade]

And what does he say up there?

[Chris Rock]

He's not saying much.

[David Spade]

Yeah, he gets away with low effort.

[Chris Rock]

Right now, he's not saying much, but he's a.

[Dana Carvey]

He's a firebrand.

[Chris Rock]

Talking about his love of Seinfeld.

[David Spade]

Yeah, yeah. It's funny. Once I was at the Chateau. Chris. I was at the Chateau, and about two months ago, and then a girl walked by, and I go, who? I said, some lady just walked by, a full yoga or ballerina outfit. And then I go, I wonder if there's something going on here. And then I saw Kanye, and I go, oh, that's his wife, right? Yeah, yeah. And it kind of made sense.

[Chris Rock]

Like, this is.

[David Spade]

She dresses in a unique. Like, she's Always going to the Met or something.

[Chris Rock]

Yeah, but it's weird if you talk to her. She's so smart. It's like talking to Diane Sawyer.

[Dana Carvey]

Really?

[Chris Rock]

With huge tits?

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Okay, let's all think. Visualize that for a second.

[Chris Rock]

I like. She like.

[David Spade]

Yeah, I got it.

[Dana Carvey]

Good.

[Chris Rock]

Beautiful.

[Dana Carvey]

I kind of. When you meet him. I met him at SNL on the 40th, and him and Kim came around and they both had deep blue eyes. And I just thought, shit, I guess they have blue eyes. I didn't think they had contacts. It was really weird.

[Chris Rock]

That was just a blue eye night, you know?

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Remember when. Do you remember when I'm doing Chris Farley? You remember when he was going to attack me and Mike? We're doing Wayne's World. We had Kanye, they had people holding him back like he was going to attack us.

[Chris Rock]

I remember that.

[David Spade]

Was it a joke or was it.

[Dana Carvey]

It was only 10 years ago.

[David Spade]

Was he mad?

[Dana Carvey]

No, he's fake mad. He was great in the sketch.

[David Spade]

It was like, oh, did he host.

[Dana Carvey]

No, no, it was the 40th. At the end of the 40th anniversary. Sorry, I didn't make the 50th. The plane was late, so. Oh, are you going to go to the 60th?

[Chris Rock]

Lauren will be 112.

[Dana Carvey]

It's that thing of, like, you know, Lauren always said, don't stop. He always said that to me. You never stop. And he said Sidney Poitier told that to him.

[Chris Rock]

And then he stopped.

[David Spade]

Did Sidney Poitier stop?

[Chris Rock]

I got nothing.

[Dana Carvey]

This is podcasting. I'm getting paid, right?

[Chris Rock]

Sing. I did a song with Kanye. I did. Anyway, anyway.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, what do you mean? You.

[David Spade]

Let's hear a couple bars.

[Chris Rock]

No, no, no. I just. I'm on one of those albums. One or two of them.

[David Spade]

Do you talk or do you sing?

[Dana Carvey]

Did you rap?

[Chris Rock]

I just talked. I just talked this song called Blame Game and. Yeah, a song called Blame Game. He coached me to four hour sessions in the studio that he cut down to about three minutes or two minutes. And, yeah, he's kind of a genius. So, you know, whatever I did that.

[David Spade]

Is it hard to stay focused talking to him or is he. He's probably interesting guy, right?

[Chris Rock]

Oh, no, he's a very interesting guy.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, he did. He did something that was brilliant. I don't know if he was the first one, but he'd have people sampling beats and rhythms and stuff, and he would just walk around listening to change that, do that, get this, go that, you know, so he's got an ear,

[David Spade]

knows what he's doing.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, yeah. You know those weeks where your schedule is just completely packed and somehow you still need a fully stocked fridge?

[David Spade]

Yep.

[Dana Carvey]

That's where Instacart has really come through for me.

[David Spade]

Yeah, that's every week for me. You know, I've been using delivery through Instacart for my weekly grocery restock. And what I like most is how much control I have over quality. Because. That's right, you don't know this about me. I'm pretty particular. So, yes. Whether it's specific brands, fresh produce, or ingredients for meals I've already planned, I can be really specific. When you're on the app, you know, you can message your shopper if you want certain ripeness. On avocados, you can really just get on them and say, swap that out. It all makes a big difference. Yeah. Honestly, convenience is huge. Yep.

[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[Chris Rock]

Top 5, my Top 5 rappers, it probably changed since Top 5 the movie. I don't know. I would put Kanye number one. I would. I don't know. Kanye, I'm really loving Kendrick. I the most. Kanye, Kendrick, I mean, God. Top five,

[David Spade]

you got one hour. Wait a minute.

[Dana Carvey]

That's a chapter. Tupac didn't like me.

[Chris Rock]

Tupac did not like me.

[David Spade]

I didn't hear that.

[Chris Rock]

See eye to eye on everything. Snoop. Snoop. Snoop's very, very underrated, but he's could get everybody up.

[David Spade]

J. Cole.

[Dana Carvey]

He's the most popular man in America as. Okay, and then does Eminem get any shoes? Then Jay Z, then Eminem, then.

[David Spade]

Interesting. Just on the album.

[Chris Rock]

Ice Cube, then Eminem. I like Eminem. Eminem's fine.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Chris Rock]

Eminem's to be listened to. You know what I mean? Eminem is strictly for your car. He's not like,

[David Spade]

what could you and Tupac not get along about? That sounds so funny.

[Chris Rock]

It was weird.

[Dana Carvey]

It was because I had the same problem.

[David Spade]

I rubbed him wrong.

[Chris Rock]

I mean, a. You know, it's always the same shit, fucking the same girls. Right? That's the first time, right? It's always like, ah, I saw her. Whatever, right? He always won that battle. But no, I remember, I. One year at the MTV Awards, I presented some award and Suge Knight was in the audience and I did like, some joke about Suge or whatever, the. And then there was an after party at Bryant park. And, you know, and I just had that special bring the pain and Kanye and. And Tupac was like, what's up with all that? And black people? Like, like. And he kind of. He kind of stepped to me, but I didn't. Tupac was not that big, everybody. He photographs big, but he's not that big. So I was like, you know, I was pretty skinny. I'm still pretty skinny. So a skinny guy can't wait to fight a skinny guy. You know what I mean?

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Chris Rock]

Like, really? But nothing happened. Nothing happened. But we definitely had a little, like, you know.

[David Spade]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chris Rock]

There was definitely some mean mugging going on. And I remember that. And I just remember that night. Everybody was scared of Suge. And like, Eric B. Remember Eric B And Rakim and Eric. It's like Eric B. Used to live in my neighborhood. And he was such a big drug dealer that he. Like, before he had a record out, the guy had a Rolls Royce on fucking. On like Myrtle Avenue. Okay. Like that kind of drug dealer.

[David Spade]

That's good.

[Chris Rock]

And he was like, why'd you talk about Suge? I'm like, if this guy is scared of Suge, yeah, we're all in trouble.

[David Spade]

And like, I think even white people knew to be scared of sugar.

[Chris Rock]

Hammer was like, why'd you do that?

[Dana Carvey]

Hammer.

[David Spade]

Hammer.

[Dana Carvey]

MC Hammer.

[Chris Rock]

MC Hammer. Yeah, yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

MC Hammer.

[Chris Rock]

I've seen. I've met them all. Yeah, I'm like black Gump, man. I've met them all. I've been through every. So many weird errors of show business shit.

[David Spade]

Was Hammer the host and music.

[Chris Rock]

Eddie Murphy, Michael Jackson?

[Dana Carvey]

Does anyone. You Kurt Cobain didn't meet?

[Chris Rock]

We met.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, you did meet Kurt. Oh, you were there, were you?

[Chris Rock]

We met Kurt.

[Dana Carvey]

I hosted the MTV Music Awards when they were on.

[David Spade]

Oh, yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

The guy threw the bass up and almost fell on his head.

[Chris Rock]

Hey, man, I once went to a black church with Courtney Love, okay? Now, black women get mad when they see you with a white girl anytime. But when you walk into a black church with Courtney Love, what were you thinking?

[Dana Carvey]

Whose idea was it?

[Chris Rock]

They're like literally cursing, like, what? What the goddamn fuck is going on?

[David Spade]

What the goddamn fuck? Yeah, I remember Kurt and Courtney sitting on the. On the ground by the page desk in that hallway, just between songs and just hanging out on the floor. I think they were in music twice. And one time I definitely remember that. I definitely Seeing them in the cafeteria when we had dinner after they rehearsed. But you didn't know. I mean, no one knew it was big. The second time they came on, they were a bigger deal. But it's definitely fun when you're back there and you see all the hosts or music that you love, and then they're just stuck talking to you.

[Dana Carvey]

Who's the host? When you were there, that kind of blew you away. Or nervous to meet kind of. Because it's weird in snl, you're just. You're in your office or something. The host is in up front. And then they'll say, charlton Heston would like to say hello. Like what? Yeah, you know, I mean, some of those non separate. Yeah, yeah.

[Chris Rock]

I mean, I don't know. They were all big stars. Just some. I remember being. And the guy has always been great. But I couldn't believe how talented Tom Hanks was.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[Chris Rock]

You know, you'd be at the read through and he could do like nine different voices and.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Chris Rock]

You know, and he was reading everything cold and he was just crushing everything. You're like.

[David Spade]

Sometimes you realize this is why they're famous.

[Chris Rock]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

Because you go, some people would bring real star. There's like a star power about them. Like, you know, this person's a star. And then there's some that sort of flatline during the week. And I go, I don't get it. Even you can just see them read sketches and you go, they got nothing. I mean, it's hard to do the show. It's hard to read.

[Chris Rock]

Was Steven Seagal.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, yeah.

[Chris Rock]

Steven Seagal comes on. Okay. So there's. There's this. The legends of Steven Seagal was. He was a bodyguard from Mike Ovitz or something.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, the Tai Chi.

[Chris Rock]

Tai chi or whatever.

[Dana Carvey]

Martial artist.

[Chris Rock]

Yeah, whatever. And so he's like this kind of move. Kind of like this B movie star. And C, C. Thank you.

[David Spade]

C B was a little strong.

[Chris Rock]

She's like Scott Bale's B. And he's under Scott.

[Dana Carvey]

I personally really like Scott Bale.

[Chris Rock]

I like Scott like Scott. Anyway, and I remember he's at the read through table and he's at the front and it's time to read the first sketch. And Steven Seagal picks up this thing and starts to read. And you realize at that moment he's never auditioned for anything in his life.

[David Spade]

Oh, yeah.

[Chris Rock]

You realize at that moment there is a really a mafia that literally shoved this guy in a fucking movie.

[David Spade]

Yeah. Cold reading is hard to do anyway.

[Chris Rock]

It's hard anyway.

[David Spade]

And you're in front of all these people.

[Dana Carvey]

And what was the one with Tommy Lee Jones on the boat?

[Chris Rock]

Even Trump's like, pick it up,

[Dana Carvey]

pick it up. So, you know, when we were. When he came on Kevin and I did Hans and Franz at the read through. Thank you. And we were making fun of Stephen was just button that way. And he's got the script and we're doing stuff like.

[Chris Rock]

I don't.

[Dana Carvey]

Could definitely flaky with his little finger. And you would fly across the room and land in your own baby poop.

[David Spade]

Flabberlanche.

[Dana Carvey]

And he's just like this reading. Yes, okay, right. You know, that kind of stuff. So then we're rehearsing on 8H on Thursday. Just like here. Basically we read the scene. He's never said a word whether he liked or didn't like the sketch. He gets on the show and Then we cut for a rehearsal. He walks way off to the side and he's just staring up the bleachers. I don't know what he's doing. I'll go over and talk to him and say, stephen, are you okay? And this is the quote. Exactly like this. Not looking at me. I just wish Arnold was here so I could kick his fucking ass. So for 72 hours he was steamed about that sketch. And I did tell Arnold six months later in Santa Monica in a restaurant with a foot long cigar with all the Austrian guys around him. I go, steven Seagal says he'd kick your ass. You know, And Arnold just leaned back and went, is that the fact? It's true. Absolutely true. Not a bit. Is that the fact? Then he blew smoke rings. It's still girly, man. Steven Seagal story.

[David Spade]

No, you know, but I thought, you know, else was. I was a little starstruck by was Michael Jordan and.

[Chris Rock]

Oh, Michael Jordan was the biggest host of our time.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, definitely.

[David Spade]

And he was still playing, right? Was he still playing?

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, it was before baseball.

[Chris Rock]

McDonald's with Michael.

[David Spade]

Oh, we did. We went down and went to McDonald's underneath.

[Chris Rock]

We went to McDonald's with what a

[David Spade]

lifetime bucket list thing? And I spaced it. We went down and he goes, let's all go, yeah, like during rehearsal. Let's all run down.

[Chris Rock]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

He was special.

[David Spade]

You and I used to go to McDonald's all the time.

[Chris Rock]

All the time.

[David Spade]

That's why we're so malnutrition. I ate there so much. We never made that much money and it was always like scraping. But I did remember that we went there and there's that sketch in the 50s where Rob was the announcer. Oh, they're really giving the referees the business. And we were an all white team. We didn't want Michael on our team. Remember that? And he's like at halftime going, can

[Dana Carvey]

someone pass me the ball? Did you guys have any interaction with Michael, like personal?

[Chris Rock]

I, I don't remember. I mean, I.

[Dana Carvey]

He was so intimidating because he was a sweetheart. He was sweet, but it was just like he came up to me and he goes, do you golf? And I go, well, a little bit. You know, what do you shoot? I go, I'm terrible. I. I don't know, maybe 100 or something. And he just paused and he was very serious. He goes, well, you're not very good, are you?

[David Spade]

He was.

[Dana Carvey]

No, I'm not. Anyway, he was, he was. The other one was Mel Gibson. When Mel Gibson and his handsome prime hosted. I'd never Seen the staff. The women on the staff get that crazy. Do you remember that?

[David Spade]

I was not there for Mel Gibson and he is a hottie.

[Chris Rock]

I did a move. I did a.

[Dana Carvey]

You did. Oh, you did Lethal Weapon.

[Chris Rock]

I did lethal weapon 4 with. With Mel Gibson before the, you know, sugar tits. Just another.

[Dana Carvey]

What do you mean?

[Chris Rock]

Guy that really loves Seinfeld right about now. There's a theme.

[Dana Carvey]

I love this theme.

[David Spade]

Yeah, go Wikipedia.

[Dana Carvey]

Ask Jack.

[Chris Rock]

You gotta be canceled for me to be friends with you. Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Why do celebrities who drink not get

[Chris Rock]

a driver or an Uber or anything? Or a Waymo.

[Dana Carvey]

Why is Tiger woods still. Yeah, see you later. I'm taking the Oldsmobile. I mean, you know what? Take the keys away.

[David Spade]

I think too many. I think it's.

[Chris Rock]

I knew Tiger was in trouble. He was that. You know, he had the whole cheating and whatever, and his wife beat up the thing. Then he had a press conference with all his friends and he apologized now, right? Tiger's black and Asian and he has a press conference with his friends, and none of them are black or Asian.

[Dana Carvey]

What are they?

[Chris Rock]

I was like, okay, sometimes if you're

[David Spade]

that famous, you got to have a

[Chris Rock]

Mario Joiner in there somewhere. You gotta.

[Dana Carvey]

Somebody.

[David Spade]

No, but Steve Harvey.

[Chris Rock]

I don't know. Somebody,

[Dana Carvey]

Somebody. Come on.

[Chris Rock]

It's like, not one.

[David Spade]

But if he's doing some things that he. If he's that level of fame, I think he just doesn't want a witness. You know what I mean? You don't want someone knowing what you're doing, hearing you talk on the phone and just quietly taking in info.

[Dana Carvey]

Doesn't work because he has the money to hire a new driver twice a day. Is that the fix you drive in the morning. Now you're out.

[David Spade]

Well, I guess you should have a full time drive.

[Chris Rock]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

You can't have a full.

[Chris Rock]

And you're not paying them to drive. You're paying them to shut the up.

[David Spade]

Exactly, exactly.

[Chris Rock]

Everybody could drive.

[David Spade]

I can't find anyone else.

[Chris Rock]

Shut the. But only the good ones can shut the up.

[David Spade]

Yeah, right?

[Dana Carvey]

And if they're deaf and mute, it's better.

[Chris Rock]

How you doing, Mr. Rock? Oh, you got three prostitutes. I ain't seeing nothing.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, I love fake driving. It's like 1941. Tiger, we're going to the cause now.

[Chris Rock]

That's what you're paying for. Silence.

[David Spade]

That's.

[Dana Carvey]

That was a good topic.

[David Spade]

That was a good topic.

[Chris Rock]

Hey, it's your podcast.

[Dana Carvey]

You've been busy.

[Chris Rock]

I can't believe.

[David Spade]

Why were you at the Met, gal? I was looking for you?

[Chris Rock]

I don't know. I don't know.

[David Spade]

You didn't have anything stupid enough to wear?

[Chris Rock]

I went last year. I didn't go to show.

[Dana Carvey]

Did you go past who wore it best last year?

[Chris Rock]

I didn't go this year. I've been a couple of times.

[Dana Carvey]

Do you wear something weird or just a tux?

[Chris Rock]

Just a tux, thank you times. I don't. I still don't know what it's for.

[David Spade]

Is there anything after those stairs? Because once they get to that, I would just go home.

[Chris Rock]

Yeah, this. This is. It's nothing. Like, I got invited last year and the year before that. I was like, trying to save a relationship.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, oh, really? Interesting.

[Chris Rock]

Hey, maybe if I take her to the Met Ball.

[Dana Carvey]

Nope.

[David Spade]

Yeah, maybe. Maybe I'm going to take you around more famous people. That's the tough one. Yeah.

[Chris Rock]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

What goes on? I mean, we've. We only see the red carpet, right? And then what goes on after that?

[Chris Rock]

You eat shrimp.

[David Spade]

You eat shrimp. You can't eat shrimp.

[Chris Rock]

A lot of rich people, lot of rich, techie white people. And you're like, ooh, this is Bob Zaminga and his family owns the button.

[David Spade]

They invented the button.

[Chris Rock]

This is like all the buttons on the world. You ever heard about buttons? All the buttons on earth.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Chris Rock]

If you're nice to him, he'll let you on his boat.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, you gotta have this.

[Chris Rock]

Oh, this is.

[Dana Carvey]

He gets a piece of Kelly Blueblay

[Chris Rock]

and her family owns green. Just green.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Jeff Bezos has a 500 billion.

[David Spade]

What?

[Dana Carvey]

A million dollar boat. It's like a thousand foot long. It's got a sail. It's got another boat behind it. He's selling it because, quote, it draws too much attention.

[Chris Rock]

God bless.

[Dana Carvey]

Maybe it's the five. I do like his wife, though. Lauren Sanchez. You got to root for that.

[Chris Rock]

I've know. I've known Lauren a little while. Lawrenceville.

[David Spade]

Have you been on that one?

[Chris Rock]

I have not been on that boat.

[David Spade]

Have you been on George Lucas's?

[Dana Carvey]

Have you been on Geffen's boat?

[Chris Rock]

I've been on some boats I like. I. I got a problem with a boat invitation. Yes.

[David Spade]

You'd rather float than sink.

[Chris Rock]

Hey, I. I tell some jokes and

[David Spade]

I, you know, get on boats and

[Dana Carvey]

I get on boats. What? You don't have to say the name of the owner, but what's the best boat you've been on that you weren't holy.

[Chris Rock]

I.

[David Spade]

They're all n all.

[Chris Rock]

They're all nice and it's, you know, to be black and get on a boat. Leisurely is, is okay. That's a great thing.

[Dana Carvey]

It's like, okay, it's like, oh, I'm up top. You know, Chris, I don't know if you're working on your stand ups, but you've got, you've got at least four bangers in here that you can.

[David Spade]

It's working.

[Dana Carvey]

And this is being recorded. But that is a great line. I'm like, ooh, you go to Met galas, you go to the Oscars, you go on boats, you're living.

[Chris Rock]

I just knew my kids are grown. I go out.

[David Spade]

Yeah, I know.

[Chris Rock]

You get out the house.

[Dana Carvey]

You would get a tuna sandwich and you're just in a sketch. And now, good lord, look at us. All right. I found it kind of interesting that you did SNL and then you did In Living Color. And then you were sort of, I think you did a movie or something. You're just sort of in it like this. And then you did Bring the Pain. And I remember watching it and went, oh, something's happened. Like something new happened with that special. Because I think you said you weren't serious. At least that's the quote. I mean, you weren't serious.

[Chris Rock]

I left snl. I went to Living Color.

[David Spade]

How was In Living Color? Was it their last season or close to.

[Chris Rock]

It was their last season. Of course, as soon as I get there, the Waynes quit. Cause that's, they were a big part of that. That's just the luck of me, you know what I mean?

[Dana Carvey]

Like, quit the show. They are the show. Yeah, well, he had Jim Carrey, right?

[Chris Rock]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Forgot Jim Carrey.

[Chris Rock]

That's, that's, that's me. So I get there because I, I felt, I don't know, I just felt a cultural shift. But then that show gets canceled and so I got no job. I got no job. No TV job. You know, that, that good TV money. What happened was I bought a house in Brooklyn and I bought a carriage house that would, I would, that I would later lose in divorce. But anyway, I bought a carriage house.

[Dana Carvey]

Sorry, everyone loses a carriage house in a divorce. At some point.

[Chris Rock]

At some point, I don't know, I just had a big ass mortgage and I had to do more shows. And when I did more shows, I got better. And at some point my brother, I'm not going to say the comedian because that would be disrespectful, but me and my brother went to see a comedian at Radio City, right? And like, like normal people, like, we got made some calls and we got some tickets And I'm a comedian, right.

[Dana Carvey]

And a car.

[Chris Rock]

I can count on one hand the amount of times I've sat in an audience for a comedy show. Right, Right. And I left the show. I thought it was great. I thought the show was great, and the show was great. But my brother, my brother Andre goes, you're better than that guy. The fuck out of here. And it hadn't occurred to me. It's like when the. Sometimes the kid that's getting bullied gets bigger than the bully and doesn't realize it yet.

[Dana Carvey]

Right?

[Chris Rock]

So right around that time, it took my brother telling me that I was better. That actually snapped me out of this.

[Dana Carvey]

This was kind of a national headliner. This was.

[Chris Rock]

And then like. Yeah, then, you know, it's like one of those Rocky montages where I'm just knocking out, like, I'm just like. I was just. I had gotten a lot better just. Just from trying to pay for this house. Yeah. I got really good.

[David Spade]

That's great.

[Dana Carvey]

So get a big mortgage.

[Chris Rock]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

Everyone's like, we got that part time. Yeah.

[Chris Rock]

Yeah. But I was out of show. But I mean, put it this way, too. I had given up. I'd been in a few movies. I'd been on Sirent Live. I'd been on Living Color. I kind of thought I was done as far as, like, being a famous person.

[Dana Carvey]

Right.

[Chris Rock]

So my concern, not even a concern. I was like, okay, I love standup. And all I wanted out of stand up. And this is like, this guy's a big star. But all I wanted out of stand up was to be George Wallace.

[Dana Carvey]

Okay.

[Chris Rock]

Like, George Wallace to me was great.

[Dana Carvey]

Was like a great stand up.

[Chris Rock]

Great stand up crushes every night Never want to fall. He would come in to the club, the only other black guy, by the way, and he had great suits on.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Chris Rock]

And he had a fucking and Cadillac. And he was opening for bands in Vegas and whatnot. And he was the only. He was the only guy I knew that was so organized. He had like a real schedule. Like, he didn't work in the summer. Like, he would actually vacation. And he had houses here and there. And I was like, man, if I could just be like George Wallace, then my dream. That's.

[David Spade]

He took it seriously.

[Dana Carvey]

He was a good guy. Yeah.

[Chris Rock]

But that guy was like a Jedi.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Chris Rock]

He wasn't thinking about being on TV or a sitcom or a movie.

[David Spade]

He was killing.

[Chris Rock]

Just working comedian. It was like, okay, that's what I want to be. I want to be a focus great comedian that other comedians respect. Soon As I walk in the, Walking around.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, that's what I wanted to ask you because, you know Gaffigan, Jim Gaffigan, Jerry Seinfeld, these are. They get with the tape or they get their notes? I mean, Jerry gets nervous if he needs that one hour a day with his notes. Were you like that or was just the reps on stage or did you record it and listen? Because that's very painful to do for.

[Chris Rock]

I would record it, I would listen the next day.

[Dana Carvey]

Okay.

[Chris Rock]

I mean, also was one of these. You know, I'll give this. Me and my, my ex wife go back and forth. I, I, you know, I, I was, Yes, I was. I had been on Saturday Night Live. I've been in New Jack City. I was, you know, a. Yeah, that was a mini millionaire at the time. But when I met her, I grew as a person, you know what I mean? Because I'd never really had a relationship, a grown up relationship. So as I was growing up as a person, I was growing up as a comic, you know, So I, I just, I just had different issues to talk about.

[David Spade]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chris Rock]

A bigger, wider way. Yeah. And the better. I, you know, and it, I, I lucked up. You know what I mean? I, I lucked up in the sense that, you know, wow. Fuck. I've been around a long time, so, you know, I guess they're channeling, but I'm one of the first cable stars. You know what I mean? Like.

[Dana Carvey]

Right.

[Chris Rock]

You know, I mean, like, it was a. When I broke. It was not from television at all. It wasn't from normal TV at all. Yeah, it was from cable tv. So I was like this HBO thing.

[David Spade]

HBO is Bring the Pain and it

[Dana Carvey]

got a lot of awards and recognition. Got awards and recognition. Critics loved it.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

And for some reason, it's just a joke. Sticks in your head. Something about peanut butter and jelly in the same jar. I don't know why. I never forgot that. I don't know why.

[Chris Rock]

What is that joke? We were so poor. My mother used to buy the peanut butter in the jelly and the scooper.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Chris Rock]

Same jar.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Chris Rock]

That's like buying a shoe with a sock sold inside. Call it a shock. Oh, the shock. Yeah.

[David Spade]

When did you do Ninja with Farley?

[Chris Rock]

I did Beverly Hills Ninja with Chris Far. That was like me being.

[David Spade]

Was that when you were. That was before Bring the Pain.

[Chris Rock]

That was, that was after Living Color. That was me broke as fuck.

[David Spade]

Just take where you take it for the money. Right? You just go. I'll just go do it.

[Chris Rock]

Yeah. It was like, it's like, oh, wait a minute. This guy I used to share an office with gets $10 million a picture. So, yeah, it's like, yeah, what the fuck happened here?

[Dana Carvey]

That was after Tommy Boy.

[Chris Rock]

Yeah, Tommy Boy. But we did that. I had a lot of fun doing it. Here's the funny thing about that movie. I was horrible in that movie. Well, initially, right? So I was cut out of the whole movie. Like, you were cut out of the Michael Jackson. Yeah, I'm cut out of the whole movie. Bring the Pain comes on hbo, and suddenly they put me back in.

[Dana Carvey]

They cut you back in. Wow.

[Chris Rock]

Suddenly everything I did, me at craft services eating a Snickers.

[Dana Carvey]

It's in the credits in the movie.

[Chris Rock]

It's like, everything's in the movie now.

[Dana Carvey]

Great. Brought in, like, three editors. Yes. Yes. Reaction on Chris. He's not in the scene. I said, yeah, yeah, that. That was big. That was big.

[Chris Rock]

That was a seismic.

[Dana Carvey]

Now, what was your next move after you got big from Bring the Pain? I mean, what was your next move?

[Chris Rock]

It's weird. I did another special. I did. I mean, I did. Here's the weird thing. I'm just like. I'm getting. I can. I'm hanging with Madonna, and so I'm with Madonna, right?

[Dana Carvey]

And.

[Chris Rock]

Yeah, whatever.

[Dana Carvey]

And you're hanging with her.

[Chris Rock]

I'm hanging, okay. And she pulls out. She's getting ready to do a special in Cuba. I'm literally right next to her. She calls her manager or somebody and she cancels the special in Cuba. Really Last moment thing, right? So I know how much money she's getting, and I offer. I call up Chris Albrecht at hbo Go. I'll do a special right now, but I gotta get the same money. And. And I got it. Fuck.

[David Spade]

Wow.

[Dana Carvey]

So.

[Chris Rock]

So whatever it was, you could imagine. But before that, I probably got 20 grand for bring the Pain. Like, no comedian made any money.

[Dana Carvey]

Privilege to do it.

[Chris Rock]

They're like, take Madonna's money. Give me that money.

[Dana Carvey]

But you. Did you shoot it in Cuba?

[Chris Rock]

No, no, no, we shot it. We shot Bigger and Blacker at the Apollo.

[Dana Carvey]

Okay. That's right.

[Chris Rock]

And, yeah, so I did that. So those two specials are like, kind of like a year apart or year and a half apart. But.

[David Spade]

But you were ready or you didn't know?

[Chris Rock]

I wasn't really ready, but I knew I got it together. And I mean, I. You know, it was that time in your life where this. You know, there's a time in your life when you're just a vessel and the shit's coming through you like that, you know? So I was at that vessel point

[Dana Carvey]

and go, chris, girl, coming through me.

[Chris Rock]

And that. Most people think bigger and black is better. Bring the pain. That's like. Even when. When they were albums or DVDs bigger and black always sold more.

[David Spade]

Oh, really?

[Chris Rock]

Yeah, it's the bigger special.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, it's good.

[David Spade]

They're even close. I mean, usually a lot of people have one killer and then the rest, you know? Because right now, people do a lot of specials in a row, and some get watered down.

[Chris Rock]

So then I started doing movies.

[Dana Carvey]

And.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Chris Rock]

You know, Mel Gibson called. Hello, Melee.

[David Spade]

Mel.

[Chris Rock]

He was nice. It was. It's crazy when you see what happens to people.

[Dana Carvey]

And when.

[Chris Rock]

When he was the nicest guy to everybody, even the Jews, he was just nice. Yeah, Yeah.

[David Spade]

I never.

[Dana Carvey]

I think. I mean, I just. I think he's brilliant. I mean, have you ever seen Apocalypto?

[Chris Rock]

Apocalypto. It's one of the best movies ever made.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. It's unbelievable. I mean, and as an actor. So, yeah, great act. Two chances, you know.

[Chris Rock]

No, no, I got.

[David Spade]

Hey, yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

David. I gave him a second chance.

[Chris Rock]

Hey, hey. If they want to do another Lethal Weapon, I'll take that check.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

What's your biggest mailbox check?

[Chris Rock]

Madagascar.

[Dana Carvey]

Madagascar. Oh, yeah. Oh, it is that. I turned down Madagascar.

[Chris Rock]

Whoa.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, I was. I don't know what the hell was

[David Spade]

going on with you.

[Dana Carvey]

I had. I bad.

[David Spade]

You couldn't think of a.

[Chris Rock]

Are you allergic to money?

[Dana Carvey]

Kind of. Dana hates money. No, they wanted me to do a South African accent, and I was, like, really working on it. I think Sasha Cohen Baron did it. Ah. But now. Did you do the first movie? It's not that. Because I did Secret Life of Pets. The first movie. There was. Thank you. Hold your applause. And then the first movie. You didn't get much from Madagascar.

[Chris Rock]

No, no, no, no. DreamWorks was a new company.

[Dana Carvey]

Okay.

[Chris Rock]

So this is the same. You know, I've been lucky a few times. So you get. If you get someplace early, they. They overpay.

[Dana Carvey]

DreamWorks pays better than some of the other DreamWorks.

[Chris Rock]

Hey, man. For the Shrek guys.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Chris Rock]

It's like, you know those guys.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Chris Rock]

They made so much money, none of them ever worked again. You know, they all went, like, 20 years without working. They made so much money, and now

[Dana Carvey]

they have two more. They just did.

[Chris Rock]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

So it's like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shrek.

[Chris Rock]

I love Eddie. This is how crazy Eddie could be. Eddie has the studio in his house like the recording studio's house. So all he has to do is go downstairs to do donkey and to do donkey and.

[Dana Carvey]

All right, you do Eddie and I'll do my. He would.

[Chris Rock]

He would make them wait for months at a time and at least twice they negotiated deals with me to play donkey.

[Dana Carvey]

Seriously.

[Chris Rock]

And then Eddie just went downstairs.

[David Spade]

Ah,

[Chris Rock]

I'm out of $30 million. Just cause Eddie went downstairs.

[Dana Carvey]

Highs and the lows. 30.

[Chris Rock]

I'm on my way to the studio. Yeah, I'm dunking. Oh, Eddie went downstairs. Fuck, fuck, fuck.

[Dana Carvey]

God damn it. Eddie went downstairs.

[Chris Rock]

He's in his pajamas doing dunking right now.

[David Spade]

Sad.

[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

I like that. Yeah.

[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[Chris Rock]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

Pooty Tang.

[Chris Rock]

Pooty Tang.

[Dana Carvey]

It's a title that you can never forget of a movie.

[Chris Rock]

Hey, man, everybody thinks you're famous. And you know, you know, there was a point I was so famous, I got a movie called Pootie Tank Man.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Chris Rock]

Where no one where the lead character doesn't speak English. You got that on the running side, I tell you, by Louis ck.

[Dana Carvey]

Louis CK Was written by Louis CK

[Chris Rock]

And a little, little bit myself. I got some jokes in there, but yeah.

[David Spade]

What about I'm gonna eat you, sucker. Where's the one where you said, give me some ribs? What was the one where you said, give me some ribs?

[Chris Rock]

Oh, that's. I'm gonna get you, sucker.

[David Spade]

Oh, yeah.

[Chris Rock]

Directed by Keenan Ivory Waynes.

[David Spade]

Okay.

[Dana Carvey]

That's right.

[Chris Rock]

Okay, now here's a weird story about I'm Gonna get yout Sucker. I hope I'm not speaking out of tune. Most of that movie is thought up by Eddie Murphy.

[Dana Carvey]

Like, really?

[Chris Rock]

Yeah. And from what I hear, Eddie was gonna do it and then he decided not to do it. And Kenan's like, hey, picked it off his thing. Hey, you thinking about doing this? I mean, he still made it into Kenan's version of it, but the initial thing was Eddie Murphy. Yeah, he told me. He told me he came up with the fish in the. In the shoe and all that stuff. But I. I play the rib man and I'm gonna get you, sucker. And it was based on Ribsman, like some Real shit. Like, give me one rib.

[David Spade]

Yeah. It's hysterical.

[Dana Carvey]

And the Golden Globe goes to. I'm going to get you, sucker.

[Chris Rock]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

Chris is one line. He comes in and then you go, give me a rib. And you're. You don't have enough money. And then you go, how much for this? And then you pull out a wad of hundreds at the end. It's one for a scene to stand out.

[Chris Rock]

How much for a soda? Yeah, the cup. Put it in my hand.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

See.

[Chris Rock]

My daughters here. Like, like. Huh.

[David Spade]

It's good when it works.

[Chris Rock]

Your kids know any of your. My kids don't know.

[Dana Carvey]

Not really.

[Chris Rock]

My kids don't know nothing I've done and could care less. Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

It's kind of in a healthy way.

[Chris Rock]

In a healthy way, yeah.

[David Spade]

What about the one you just. The last one you just did?

[Chris Rock]

I just directed Misty Green. It's gonna come out. It's gonna come out in November. It's at 824. It's kind of a drama, honestly.

[David Spade]

Okay.

[Chris Rock]

It's about a woman whose sugar daddy dies and she's got a week to get her together or she might have to. A guy in Dubai,

[David Spade]

A tale as old as time.

[Chris Rock]

It's kind of like.

[Dana Carvey]

It's the feel good picture.

[Chris Rock]

The feel good story for Christmas.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

Did it start out.

[Chris Rock]

So that's. Yeah. That. What am I trying. The best way to describe it would be a female Uncut Gems. Okay.

[David Spade]

Okay.

[Chris Rock]

So it stars a woman named Rosalind Elazar. She's on a show called Slow Horses.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, love that show.

[Chris Rock]

Anna Kendrick's her best friend. Daniel Kahlua is her brother. Adam Driver's in it.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, you got.

[Chris Rock]

And myself and a few other people. Anthony Anderson. Topher. Topher Grace. Yeah. So we got.

[Dana Carvey]

Have you done.

[Chris Rock]

I mean, it's. Yeah. Did it start off a 24, nice little art movie. Directed it.

[Dana Carvey]

People like that, like Adam Driver, you know, they're sort of brilliant at their craft. I mean, it's just very subtle.

[Chris Rock]

I mean, it's. It's kind of like comedians. I mean, you got to rehearse and, you know, figure out their moves and stuff. I mean. But he was great. He was like you. When you get an actor that good, every take you're like, whoa.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

You know, it's probably like you think they'll be difficult. When they're not, then it's easy because then you have a back and forth. But some. If they resist. And it's a lot. I've been on movies where people really resist and you Go. Oh, my God, this is just gonna make it so hard.

[Chris Rock]

Yeah, well, it was a. It was a. It was prime. There's some comedy in it, but it's definitely leans dramatic. So, yeah, I got. If it's funny, I got a ton of notes. But if it's not, you know, I'm going to trust Adam Driver.

[David Spade]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

I would trust and do. A lot of the great actors you've worked with. Sometimes, like after Take that you think is brilliant. Like, really? Was it good? Do you think it was?

[Chris Rock]

Yeah, yeah. Anthony Hopkins, like that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He really? You think so?

[David Spade]

Wait, what movie was that one?

[Chris Rock]

I did a movie called Bad Company.

[David Spade]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Was that Brooke Hopkins?

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, really? Tony.

[Chris Rock]

Tony Hopkins.

[Dana Carvey]

I did a movie with Tony.

[Chris Rock]

Which one did you do?

[Dana Carvey]

Road to Wellville. Hey, do you know what he would do? And I don't know if he did this with you, but he had a Polaroid shot of his character. His character had funny teeth. It was all about the wellness industry in 1890 or whatever. And you'd be talking to him as a. And then they go speed rolling. He would look at the picture, crush it on his face and then breathe in like. And then put it in his pocket and then he'd just be the character. Did you see any of that?

[Chris Rock]

I saw none of that.

[Dana Carvey]

I swear I didn't.

[Chris Rock]

I do remember, like, older actors.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Chris Rock]

They want to rehearse and do not give them new pages on the day.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Chris Rock]

And I remember somebody. I remember the director giving him new pages and him like, get the fuck away from me. Yeah, give me new fucking pages.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Chris Rock]

Just for that. Today you get four takes.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Did you ever work with someone who just couldn't get their lines? I mean, Burt Lancaster, I was in a movie with him and Kirk Douglas, very sweet guy. But you'd be like, okay, I guess we're going to rob the train. And then everyone's just still and quiet.

[David Spade]

Line.

[Dana Carvey]

And then the woman. Because we got to do it today. Because we got to do it today line. And she would go on and on.

[Chris Rock]

Tracy Morgan's like that. Like, literally, like one of the funniest people. All right. It's not that he can't do his. He doesn't know his lines. He can't do it the same way twice.

[David Spade]

Right.

[Chris Rock]

It has to be different, by the way, a couple of back to Michael Jackson.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Chris Rock]

Just like a crazy name drop fest. So Matt, Eddie's house, me, there's a bunch of people, but I'll just say the name Droppy name. So we want to hear it. Eddie Chappelle and Tracy, a couple of people. Rafael Sadiq Simone. Lots of cool people there. And to watch the Michael Jackson movie with Tracy Morgan, kind of narrating. Oh, yeah, get me some pity loafers. That who you think hit harder, Joe or Joe Frazier?

[David Spade]

That's great.

[Chris Rock]

Just like the whole movie would stop.

[David Spade]

That's hysterical.

[Dana Carvey]

I got a name drop story about this kind of stuff. Tom Hanks was telling me that Clint Eastwood will sort of walk on the scene and. And he's just coming out there and the cameras are rolling and he's like, okay, what is it? And the script cypher just goes, all right, so let's get out of here. All right, let's get out of here. So he likes to hear it right before he says it, really. And that's kind of like Brando would, you know, hide things in the ceiling and stuff, you know. Anyway, inside Brando of an earpiece, Clint

[Chris Rock]

Eastwood is not Tracy Morgan.

[Dana Carvey]

It's not as dynamic as a centerpiece of a story, visually and orally. I agree.

[David Spade]

All right, you got something? I'll get one little more for Chris Rock before we get him out of here. What do you.

[Dana Carvey]

Chris Rock?

[Chris Rock]

Uh.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, yeah. All right, let's just hear hot takes on society.

[Chris Rock]

Me.

[Dana Carvey]

Okay.

[Chris Rock]

I have no takes.

[Dana Carvey]

AI, will it rule us? Will it take over? Be a good thing or a bad thing? You have five seconds.

[Chris Rock]

Hey, I personally know people that have actually lost jobs to AI. They're in the tech sector, so. Hey, man, I don't know. For the arts. Put it this way. To me, AI just in my business, it's a drum machine, okay? It's basically a drum machine. You give Dr. Dre a drum machine, it's fucking magic. You give me a drum machine, it's a waste of time. So I don't think it'll make shitty writers good because the good writers will have it too. You know what I mean?

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Chris Rock]

So. So the distance is still going to be the same.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Chris Rock]

Between the talent, because, you know, everybody's going to have it. But it's obviously a little scary. I've definitely seen, you know, there's definite parts of the business that are going to be gone, you know?

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, I was going to ask you about la, too, and the recession in the film and TV business in Los Angeles.

[Chris Rock]

I. I did my movie. The whole movie was shot in la.

[David Spade]

Good job.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. How much more expensive? I mean, that was more expensive, right?

[Chris Rock]

It probably was more expensive, but, you

[Dana Carvey]

know, that's A good thing.

[Chris Rock]

Not my money. Yeah, I got. Actually, some of it was. But I think. I think I'm getting it back.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. When is this movie coming up?

[Chris Rock]

I put up some dough. This movie comes out in November.

[David Spade]

Okay. I don't like.

[Chris Rock]

Comes out.

[David Spade]

I don't like the people that have AI and they have chat GPT and there's always one guy going, hey, can you start World War Three? It's like, why? Let's not mess with it. Because if they've read every book in the world, you're like, they can probably start some shit. So it shouldn't be in everyone's hands on their phone, which I think it is now. I haven't done anything.

[Dana Carvey]

We are living in the singularity. I mean, this is the printing press. This is fire. This is the atom splitting.

[Chris Rock]

Hey, I'm not even here, really. No, no.

[Dana Carvey]

We'd like to thank Chris's digital copy for being here. And now on the count of three, the hologram will disappear. This is what I was just curious about you hanging out. Like, what do you consume live streaming shows? Do you get into shows with your girlfriend or friends? Or what's a day off for you to go to movie theaters by yourself? Or what do you do?

[Chris Rock]

I mean, hey, I love my Apple tv.

[Dana Carvey]

All right, so you're watching Neighbors on here.

[Chris Rock]

Just some fucking spoiled rich. I have the Apple TV hooked up in every hotel room I'm in so I can watch my shows.

[Dana Carvey]

What are your shows? Slow Horses.

[Chris Rock]

I'm waiting for. I'm watching Euphoria right now.

[David Spade]

I'm watching Euphoria, too.

[Chris Rock]

Don't spoil it. I haven't seen last month, but

[David Spade]

I'm only as far as everybody else. I like that it's every Sunday. I like that you can't jump ahead.

[Chris Rock]

It's like, I didn't see it this week. What, she's a nun?

[David Spade]

No, she has huge boobs again.

[Dana Carvey]

Has anyone watched the Pit? Hbo, Max. But I don't really see hospital shows, but this one is kind of extra, extra. It's pretty strange.

[Chris Rock]

I want the Pit, but it's just Brad Pitt telling girls they can't spend the night. I want to watch that shit show

[Dana Carvey]

whenever Brad Pit is on TV and my wife is over there, and I just go.

[David Spade]

I don't.

[Dana Carvey]

I don't get it. I mean, really, there's not much going on with him. I mean, is that considered handsome? You know, I don't see it.

[Chris Rock]

I remember being at a party. You ever been in a room with pit man? So you're You're a part, right? And Obama, you meet a. You meet a woman. The woman talks to you like this, right? When Brad Pitt walks in the room, every woman takes a step and a half back from whatever guy she's talking to. Like, every woman's, like, kind of aware with, like. It's like when a pit bull gets loose in the neighborhood. Like, every woman knows exactly where the fuck pit is in the room. And if I have a chance, I'm not gonna fuck it up tonight. Over Chris Rock.

[Dana Carvey]

They get a little bit away.

[Chris Rock]

He gets a woman, or he leaves the party, and then the girl starts talking to you normal again. Hey, hell, yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Is this kind of tell happened at

[Chris Rock]

least twice to me.

[Dana Carvey]

Is this also a tell? When Brad Pitt comes in, a woman might just kind of just do this, you know, just a subtle.

[David Spade]

Just clean it up a little bit.

[Dana Carvey]

Just kind of clean it up a little bit.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

You ever seen that?

[Chris Rock]

I've seen it. Yeah. They kind of let you know, like, hey, if he even looks this way.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Chris Rock]

I'm gonna kick you down a flight

[David Spade]

of stairs immediately in a wood chipper.

[Dana Carvey]

I'm a huge fan.

[Chris Rock]

He's a great guy. He's a great. He's a great guy and a great actor.

[David Spade]

Chris, you remember when. Oh, Marcy's here, But Marcy would bring Carolyn Vasetta on the Office at snl, and Carolyn Bessette was so stunning, and we all kind of had a crush on her. And then we got the news she's dating JFK Jr and we're all like, oh, that's her type. Oh, the kind of guy every person in the world loves. I thought she'd be a little more interesting. Thought she liked squirrely, broke writers.

[Chris Rock]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember. Yeah. I went out with her roommate for a minute.

[David Spade]

You what? You went out there?

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, really?

[Chris Rock]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Anyway, plot thickening.

[Chris Rock]

Plot thickening. That's as far as it got. Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

I'm gonna just try to mention a celebrity and see if you've had a degree. No, it's just because you go, but

[Chris Rock]

I don't do that in my act. But tonight.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, people like you, I mean, and they want to hang out with you. That's all.

[Chris Rock]

I like you.

[Dana Carvey]

I mean, we get to. We're hanging out with you right now.

[Chris Rock]

We're hanging out. This is. This is fun.

[David Spade]

This is the most fun you've had today, right?

[Chris Rock]

This is kind of the most fun. I'm gonna. Well, maybe later, huh?

[David Spade]

Who's over there? Yeah. All right. Well, Dan, any Further, Any last questions for our good friend?

[Dana Carvey]

Just. Okay, give me. Just quick, quick.

[Chris Rock]

What do you want? What do you want? Anything?

[Dana Carvey]

Adam Sandler. What is with that guy?

[Chris Rock]

I call him Adam Sandler Claus because

[Dana Carvey]

the claw.

[Chris Rock]

That guy. Weird. I realized Adam Sandler might be my oldest friend.

[David Spade]

Like, excuse me.

[Dana Carvey]

That's right. Cuz it was pre. Well, cuz we know.

[Chris Rock]

I knew him before I got on snl. We were doing the whole thing you

[Dana Carvey]

did at the Kennedy center when they were vetting.

[David Spade]

Oh, yeah. You knew him before.

[Chris Rock]

Yeah, I knew. I knew Adam like a year and a half, two years into standup. So I've known Adam like 40 years or something.

[Dana Carvey]

That part of the story that you told about Adam was really touched me. It was so sweet. Just at the club and then the

[Chris Rock]

dorm, it's like, okay, I'll tell the story again. So at any comedy club, you start stacking chairs. That first the privilege is to just be allowed in the club. And then, okay, we're gonna let you clean off tables and then, okay, we're gonna give you late night spots during the week so you can go on at one o' clock in the morning on a Wednesday. Right. And then you get weak spot spots during the week. And then the greatest thing you can do after a couple of years of working is they let you work the weekends.

[Dana Carvey]

Right.

[Chris Rock]

So. And that is like you're a top comic.

[Dana Carvey]

Right, Right.

[Chris Rock]

And so I'm at the club pre snl. Pre snl, Yeah. I meet Eddie Murphy at the club. I meet Eddie Murphy at the club one night as I was stacking chairs. Okay. I was stacking chairs. Eddie had watched like four guys and he goes to this guy, Lucian Holt. Hey, you got any black comics? And Lucian Holt's like, we got one right here. The guy hadn't spoke to me in six months.

[Dana Carvey]

Eddie has that effect.

[Chris Rock]

And there they put me on stage in front of Eddie. Eddie laughs. Eddie proceeds to tell me my whole life.

[David Spade]

Oh, wow.

[Chris Rock]

So Eddie tells me, you're gonna be in movies, you're gonna do snl, you're gonna do this, you're gonna like everything that's happened to me. Like you're gonna direct, you're gonna do

[Dana Carvey]

this from scene one set, from seeing like eight minutes here and there.

[Chris Rock]

Like literally eight minutes literally predicts my whole future.

[David Spade]

Yeah, okay.

[Chris Rock]

You're gonna get married, you're gonna get divorced, like everything.

[David Spade]

Married, Divorce.

[Dana Carvey]

Did he say you were going to meet me?

[Chris Rock]

Yeah, I was going to do this podcast, the Church Lady. So. And you know, and this is like the real Eddie Murphy. This is like. This is not Dr. Doolittle. This is like.

[Dana Carvey]

This is Eddie. This is red leather.

[Chris Rock]

Yeah. He probably had on some green leather. And like, Elvis, Eddie. And he's got 20 guys with him. And he's like, we're going to LA tomorrow. You should come. I go to LA with holy shit, and I end up in Beverly Hills Cop 2.

[Dana Carvey]

That's right.

[Chris Rock]

A movie that I saw four times. The day it came out. I saw Beverly Hills COP1. Me and Fred Barton, who's not alive anymore, saw four times. Anyway, so I'm in LA doing that. I come back because I have to come back. You know, I only made $600 doing Beverly Hills Cop, Right. And who do I see? Who The. This white kid on stage on Saturday night. Zab, what the is going on here?

[Dana Carvey]

Right?

[Chris Rock]

I. It took me two, three years to get on that Saturday night.

[Dana Carvey]

So he just came out of nowhere.

[Chris Rock]

Is this guy Sandler? And like, everything in my body said to hate this guy. Cause not only is he on Saturday night, and obviously didn't earn it. They told me he's on the Cosby Show. It's like, motherfucker, how come I'm not on the Cosby Show?

[David Spade]

I'm a black boy.

[Chris Rock]

Who is this white boy on the fucking Cosby Show?

[David Spade]

Excellent.

[Chris Rock]

Going on on Saturday night. And I watched him, and I was so prepared to like this guy and

[David Spade]

hope and say he sucked. Yeah.

[Chris Rock]

And he did this joke about Wilt Chamberlain scoring 100 points in a game. It was like the. His impression of the other players on the team. Hey, Wilt, I'm open.

[Dana Carvey]

But he also had a line where they're in a huddle. Wilt already scored 98. And the coach says, okay, who's got Wilt? That was another one.

[Chris Rock]

He had that other one about his grandmother rubbing Bix Baby Rub on his chest. And he looks his grandmother in the eyes and goes, we're just friends.

[Dana Carvey]

Right?

[Chris Rock]

So I'm watching him do this, and all the hate just left my body.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Chris Rock]

I was like, this guy's the best. This guy's so fucking funny. Oh, my God. And we just became friends that night.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

But wasn't there a moment where he was with sort of a gang and then he saw you and sort of said, you know, I mean, he invited you into this.

[Chris Rock]

Well, he was with all those guys he writes with now. Were there? So, like, Jack Jarraputo and all those guys, you know, they were. He was at. He was going to NYU at the time.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Chris Rock]

He Was going to nyu. We had such insanely different backgrounds, okay? So he's. He's literally going to nyu. I'm at his dorm and all this. I'm living in Bed Stuy. It is the height of the crack epidemic, okay? Not this hipster bed style you hear about now.

[Dana Carvey]

Like, right?

[Chris Rock]

This is grandmothers blowing people. Crackhead, right?

[Dana Carvey]

So the home values were. It was pretty good.

[Chris Rock]

Dude. It was a crack. Was an insane time because crack in the VCR came out that's same time. So guys would. People would do. It was like the fucking Opium wars or some shit. And guys would show you tapes of somebody's motherfucking. Three guys. It was crazy. Crack was insane. Anyway,

[Dana Carvey]

the good old days.

[Chris Rock]

Then. I remember me and Sandler auditioned for SNL on the same night. I was doing a movie called Hanging out with the Homeboys and the Director. We were in rehearsals, and the auditions were in Chicago, and so I needed a day off to go audition. And the director was like, if you leave, you're fired. I left. They fired me. And I went to. I went to audition for snl, and me and Sandler auditioned tonight the same night. I did good. I don't think it was great, but it was good. And Sandler did good. And we both. We watched Dana Ghoul destroy.

[David Spade]

Oh, wow.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, yeah.

[Chris Rock]

And Dana Ghoul did so well. I left. It's like, why am I even here? This guy's like the king of this shit.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, Great. Stand up.

[Chris Rock]

And him and me and Adam got the job.

[Dana Carvey]

Tha Boba, Thaba.

[Chris Rock]

Me, Adam and Farley.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Chris Rock]

Farley auditioned because we auditioned at the improv and he was around the corner at Second City.

[David Spade]

Second City. Yeah.

[Chris Rock]

Yeah, yeah. So we all got.

[Dana Carvey]

Could I ask you a question of something that stuck for 30 years? You know this thing, you and Farley, right? Because I think I made a joke when you guys. The first day you were hired, I think I was on Letterman and I did a thing of. I always have some new guys. And I was sort of kidding, but I said, you know, I am. You know, I'm the freaking church lady now. Give me a cup of coffee. I think I said that. And then you and Chris just called me the lady. Period. Every rehearsal. See you. Where's Lady? Saw you, Lady. Good job, Lady. Yeah, same thing with Vari. It was only Lady. Only you two. You guys never stop. I think if I saw you, I

[Chris Rock]

didn't call you Dana until 2022.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, I remember that day. I. I teared up a little bit. I was Like, I have a name. I'm a person.

[David Spade]

I have.

[Chris Rock]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

David.

[David Spade]

I saw Chris on the back of some comedy magazine. It was picture of you and Sandler in the corner. And I was in LA and I. I didn't know either of you guys. Then I met Sandler. But I was doing the same thing in the valley here where Schneider and Drake, Sather and a lot of comics were going on and Judd and. And I'd see Sandler and Covert and you know, same situation where Sandler was great. And then we all kind of goofed around and. And then he goes out, you know, and then he's doing out there you. And then we all wind up in the same show. It was such a ridiculous miracle. It's so funny how that happened.

[Dana Carvey]

That's strange.

[David Spade]

Yeah, ridiculous.

[Dana Carvey]

Just to make a living. I mean, that's all I thought about when I put down my waiter apron. Could I this be my job? Could my job be doing stand up? Basically, that was it. You still. That's the touchstone. And then other things happen too. But still, that is full circle.

[David Spade]

You're still doing good, Dana. You're doing great.

[Dana Carvey]

Thank you.

[David Spade]

And let's thank the audience for coming down, you guys. We appreciate it and thank you.

[Chris Rock]

Chris Rock.

[Dana Carvey]

Chris Rock, everybody.

[David Spade]

See you guys. Thank you.

[Dana Carvey]

I know, it's weird, isn't it?

[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

Fly on the Wall is presented by Odyssey, an executive produced by Dana Carvey and David Spade, Heather Santoro and Greg Holtzman, Maddie Sprung Keyser and Leah Reese Dennis of Odyssey.

[Dana Carvey]

Our senior producer is Greg Holtzman and the show is produced and edited by

[David Spade]

Phil Sweet Tech booking by Cultivated Entertainment.

[Dana Carvey]

Special thanks to Patrick Fogarty, Evan Cox, Mora Curran, Melissa Wester, Hillary Schuff, Eric Donnelly, Colin Gaynor, Sean Cherry, Kurt Courtney and Lauren Vieira.

[David Spade]

Reach out with us. Any questions to be asked and answered on the show? You can email [e-mail] that's a U, D A C Y I combined.