Mike Myers and Paul Myers Talk Beatles and John Candy!

Summary

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Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade

Episode: Mike Myers and Paul Myers Talk Beatles and John Candy!

Date: November 17, 2025
Guests: Mike Myers, Paul Myers

Overview

This episode reunites comedy legends Dana Carvey and David Spade with acclaimed actor/writer Mike Myers and his brother Paul Myers (musician, author, and podcaster), for an in-depth, freewheeling discussion. The group nerds out over The Beatles—analyzing their melodies, lyrics, band dynamics, and cultural legacy—before turning to John Candy’s remarkable legacy in comedy, as chronicled in Paul Myers’s new biography. The tone is lively, nerdy, and affectionately irreverent, with lots of impressions, banter about comedy and music, and personal anecdotes.

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Key Topics & Insights

1. Opening Banter & SNL Talk

Timestamps: 03:01–11:38

• Dana and David kick off with colorblindness jokes and SNL reflections, using Nikki Glaser’s recent hosting gig to riff on the vibes and challenges of doing monologues on the show.
• David recounts a failed backstage plan to do a monologue with Adam Sandler, giving a glimpse behind the SNL process.
• They touch on the unique energy of SNL’s crowd, the tricky audience mix, and the challenge of performing stand-up on a non-club stage.

Quote:

"It sounds crazy that it’s not a comedy crowd. It is, but it’s not a comedy club crowd. ... You have the high ceiling. You know, it’s not like a tight—"
—David Spade (05:07)

2. Impressions Segment: “Buzzing Around”

Timestamps: 16:26–19:55

• Dana does impressions of Johnny Carson, Jimmy Fallon, Paul McCartney, and Senator Kennedy—all in a scenario of being pulled over by a cop, riffing off the synergy and quirks of each personality.
• The bit is a hilarious demonstration of Carvey’s rapid-fire skills.

Quote:

“Well, my name’s Paul McCartney. I was in a band called the Beatles...”
—Dana Carvey as Paul McCartney (18:03)

3. Welcoming the Myers Brothers: Comedy & Canadian Pride

Timestamps: 25:47–28:29

• Mike and Paul Myers join, opening with lighthearted banter about Canadian identity, haircuts, and Beatles T-shirt orders.
• The conversation pokes fun at U.S.-Canada relations, referencing Trump’s infamous “51st state” joke.

Quote:

“Who pushes Canada more than almost anyone? You do a good job. You must be like a hero.”
—David Spade to Mike Myers (26:21)

4. John Candy’s Legacy – Paul Myers’s Book & the Documentary

Timestamps: 30:31–37:15

• Paul describes the journey of writing “John Candy: A Life in Comedy,” and discusses the parallel development of Ryan Reynolds’ and Colin Hanks’ Candy documentary.
• The group emphasizes Candy’s profound influence and impeccable reputation—as a kind, universally loved performer.
• Mike Myers shares his own formative meeting with John Candy and how influential Candy’s encouragement was to his career.

Quotes:

“He might be one of the most universally liked performers…I have never heard one negative thing about him.”
—David Spade (32:06)

“There’s only two people that I’ve ever waited outside a stage door for. One was Lily Tomlin. The other was John Candy… John came out and I said, ‘I want to do what you do.’ And he said, ‘You should join Second City workshops’...”
—Mike Myers (39:04)

5. Canadian Comedy – Why So Much Greatness?

Timestamps: 42:29–49:04

• The group marvels at Canada’s outsized contribution to comedy and music, from SCTV to Dan Aykroyd, Norm MacDonald, and beyond.
• Mike and Paul discuss the blend of influences—American ambition and British observer humor—and what it meant to “make it” in America.

Quotes:

“We’re an observer nation, you know what I mean?”
—Mike Myers (43:16)

“My mom…when she saw Wayne’s World, she said, ‘Oh, that Dana’s very good, isn’t he?’”
—Mike Myers (47:43)

6. Brotherly Wars & Childhood Stories

Timestamps: 49:04–53:21

• Stories of rough-and-tumble boyhood in Canada: fistfights, pranks, and physical comedy reminiscent of the unstructured, pre-helicopter-parent era.
• Slapstick tales of injuries, near-misses, and unsupervised mischief.

Quote:

“I once dragged Mike around by his ankles and his head hit the side of a counter and you got a small cut in your head and I thought I’d killed you.”
—Paul Myers (51:42)

7. Deep Dive: Beatles Nerdery

Timestamps: 53:33–87:50

A. Why Do We Keep Analyzing The Beatles?

• The group unselfconsciously “geeks out” on melodies, favorite tracks, and why the Beatles remain a touchstone for creativity.

Favorite Melodies:

• “She’s Leaving Home,” “Martha My Dear,” “And I Love Her.”

“She’s Leaving Home does this…There’s a counterpoint with the strings…It’s like two swans or eagles or something. And that is the most exciting thing with McCartney when he does that.”
—Paul Myers (56:23)

B. John & Paul’s Songwriting / Band Dynamics

• Discussion of the yin and yang between Lennon’s abstraction and McCartney’s melodies, and how their collaboration elevated both.
• Reflections on the Get Back documentary, Paul being the “de facto producer,” and the heartbreak of the band’s dissolution.

“Paul was pushing everybody to the point where they’re mad at him…But he just wants the Beatles to have the Beatles again.”
—Paul Myers (65:42)

C. George’s Evolution

• George Harrison’s underappreciated journey, learning from Lennon/McCartney, branching out with Dylan and Clapton, bringing in Indian influences.
• His “hay wait up” role—catching up, then surpassing—with songs like “Something” and “Here Comes the Sun.”

“He had to work three times as hard to get it because…he had to write Here Comes the Sun, he had to write Something.”
—Paul Myers (68:10)

D. Ringo: Secret Sauce

• Ringo’s unsung “secret sauce” role as a song-serving, vibes-brightening, supremely musical drummer.
• Lively breakdowns of his fills, swing, and ability to play for the song, rather than virtuosity.

“He was the guy that kept it up, kept it light, and didn’t let all the Liverpool attitudes have a fist fight…He was the soup spoon.”
—Mike Myers (79:07)

E. The “Pop Shivers”

• The crew discusses those moments in music that give them chills (“pop shivers”)—from the Beatles to Hendrix, Clash, and The Police.

“No matter what I’ve done or will ever do in my life, I aspire to the pure excitement that is listening to the Beatles.”
—Mike Myers (83:59)

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Notable Quotes, Highlights & Moments

• On John Candy’s kindness:

  “He was so incredibly gracious and fantastic. That actually meant more to me than a lot of things during that really exciting time of Wayne’s World.”
  —Mike Myers (40:12)

• On the Beatles in-band rivalry:

  “There’s no other band during that era they ever could have been in where they were not sometimes not sure they were the ‘best guy in the band’.”
  —Dana Carvey (67:34)

• On the Beatles’ partnership:

  “They cared about each other’s opinion…Even when they were fighting, they were fighting in a lover’s quarrel kind of way.”
  —Paul Myers (65:12)

• On Ringo’s unique drumming:

  “He never plays over the words…He was helping. He laid back when he needed to lay back…A Day in the Life—almost no drums, except falling down the stairs.”
  —Paul Myers (80:21–82:29)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Start | End | |------------------------------------- |--------|--------| | Cold Open/SNL Talk | 03:01 | 11:38 | | Buzzing Around (Impressions) | 16:26 | 19:55 | | Welcoming Mike & Paul Myers | 25:47 | 28:29 | | John Candy Book & Doc Discussion | 30:31 | 37:15 | | Canadian Comedy Debate | 42:29 | 49:04 | | Brotherly Childhood Stories | 49:04 | 53:21 | | Beatles Deep Dive | 53:33 | 87:50 |

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

Fly on the Wall beautifully delivers on its promise of giving fans a “behind the curtain” look at both comedy and music. The Myers brothers’ appearance brings warmth, deep fandom, and playful rivalry. The Beatles analysis is energetic and affectionate; each host and guest brings their own perspective (“musicologist” vs. “pure vibe chaser”). Paul Myers’s John Candy biography adds a touching, behind-the-scenes layer to the discussion, reaffirming the emotional intelligence and decency at the heart of great comedy.

Final Note:
Both Beatles obsessives and casual fans will come away with new insights, lots of laughs, and a sense of the camaraderie and pathways that link comedy, music, and pop culture across generations.

Transcript

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[Dana Carvey]

That's right. I mean, I just want to do this when I hear that. Way to go.

[David Spade]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

Be on the David Spade show. Once again.

[David Spade]

I would not change channels.

[Dana Carvey]

Okay.

[David Spade]

What.

[Dana Carvey]

What's your.

[David Spade]

My first big question is, and this is what a lot of people are talking about this week. Is this sweatshirt purple? I say yes.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, it depends on your monitor if it is purple. It's an extremely dark navy blue purple.

[David Spade]

Oh, my God. It might be navy blue.

[Dana Carvey]

You're right. It's navy blue.

[David Spade]

Is it navy? Oh, my God. Bright navy.

[Dana Carvey]

It's a purpley navy.

[David Spade]

Oh. Heather's trying to help me.

[Dana Carvey]

She goes purpley. It's a navy blue. I mean, obviously I have a green jacket on. Right. Colorblind.

[David Spade]

I think I'm colorblind because this has happened twice. Mm. I'm not really colorblind, but I can't see colors.

[Dana Carvey]

Right. So it doesn't mean you're blind. You're just.

[David Spade]

You're.

[Dana Carvey]

You see weird colors.

[David Spade]

I think this is what people do. They go. I think they say, super smart people are colorblind.

[Dana Carvey]

I love when they put that connection.

[David Spade]

Yeah, they do.

[Dana Carvey]

With itchy feet. Have a photographic memory.

[David Spade]

Yeah. People with itchy skin are like geniuses. Okay, I want to jump in quickly, Dana, and get your quick thoughts. I don't know if you caught it. Nikki Glaser, friend of the show.

[Dana Carvey]

Yes.

[David Spade]

Nikki Glaser. First of all, I am doing a tour, Dana. I'm going back on tour. So go to davidspay.com if you can.

[Dana Carvey]

The dates are there. I saw them. The dates are there.

[David Spade]

Going all over different cities. And I also do something with Nikki at Caesars next year. We're doing a little mini residency, so I watched on snl, right?

[Dana Carvey]

Yes. Sweet.

[David Spade]

So Nikki had a great monologue. Very long. They're good about comedians. They give them extra.

[Dana Carvey]

Yes.

[David Spade]

Because, you know, when you're there, like, sometimes I host every week you have a new monologue. You're like, okay, you're in a new HBO show. What could be your monologue? What's your.

[Dana Carvey]

It's kind of weird to do stand up there, but some people are very. Because you work it out in clubs or theaters, and it's just. That's just a whole different vibe.

[David Spade]

It sounds crazy that it's not a comedy crowd. It is, but it's not a comedy club crowd. No. Plus, you have the high ceiling. You know, it's not like a tight.

[Dana Carvey]

No, no.

[David Spade]

It's a great little room. Snl, of course.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. It's an incredible room. And they handed her a mic like they do with Chappelle or whatever. You know, some people do stand up and just do the lavalier mic.

[David Spade]

I like a mic. I like when they. They just push you out and go. When I did my. This boring story. When I did my hosting the second time, Adam was in town. So we were going to do the monologue together. Right. So he was going to be a guy in the audience.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, that's right.

[David Spade]

And. And he was going to go, why.

[Paul Myers]

Do you do this?

[David Spade]

Why?

[Dana Carvey]

Why are you doing this?

[David Spade]

He has questions. He keeps asking me questions. So we rehearse it the morning of snl. I get to rehearsal of the morning, which is probably one in the afternoon.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

And they go, oh, Adam just flew back to la. Waterboy opened this weekend and it was such a fucking huge hit. He has to go back and do whatever. What? I was like, oh, great. Oh, wait.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh.

[David Spade]

So no monologue. They're like, no, sorry. And I go, oh. And then Adam called me, said, I'm sorry. I said, I no, no, I get it. Water Boy is a fucking smash.

[Dana Carvey]

But he could have been from the audience. He could have been dressed as a water boy in the audience.

[David Spade]

I know, but I know that he had go back for something important because he would have stayed. So I had to go do standup, but I couldn't practice it. So I just. Lauren, why aren't you a stand up?

[Dana Carvey]

You don't need to practice. The crew will let you know.

[David Spade]

And so you know what happens though, with Nikki, with me, with everybody, what people do is what I want to do. If I ever did that. Stack the band behind me to laugh.

[Paul Myers]

Mm.

[David Spade]

Because if you look, sometimes they're like this. They're holding their trumpet like this. Mm. And you can hear some of the audience laugh. But you really only can go visually by two people. This guy and this girl over here.

[Dana Carvey]

This guy. And they've just heard almost the identical monologue 90 minutes before.

[David Spade]

Yeah. Address.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. So they have to save some laughs.

[David Spade]

You know, and they've heard 500 monologues. And so, yeah, they try to be pleasant, but you can catch them texting. No, you can catch them kind of.

[Dana Carvey]

Like tuning their banjo.

[David Spade]

But when I saw Nikki, it's the mic and it's just raw dogging. Just go. And. But the crowd likes her, you know, so she does some really good jokes.

[Dana Carvey]

She dances outside the lines a little bit. I mean, she does some topics that she Was she landed. Go ahead.

[David Spade]

Yeah. And some stuff I'd seen from when we're out together and even those. Because my act is a little R rated. Hers steps into some different areas outside the box, but I like that. And her crowd likes it. And by the way, snl, when you're waiting for tickets for a year, you might not be 1000% her crowd. You're just getting a host and a show. You just want snl.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, yeah. And they're not seeing her work out.

[David Spade]

The material and they don't know if she's going to be a little rough around the edges. You know, she might.

[Dana Carvey]

Right. They may not be just hyper familiar with her in terms of like.

[David Spade]

Anyway, so overall, great monologue. A lot of jokes I liked. Then she did a sketch about. I thought was funny about Jennifer Hudson's show where you walk in and you dance on the way in and how she gets anxiety from that.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

Now they have a drug for that tunnel. The Hudson Tunnel.

[Dana Carvey]

The Hudson Tunnel. And you gotta dance and people.

[David Spade]

Is the Hudson Tunnel. Because that's a real thing in New York. But is there something called the Hudson Tunnel? What are those tunnels?

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, there's a Hudson tunnel into Manhattan.

[David Spade]

Take the Hudson. Yeah, yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

But her.

[David Spade]

That's probably why they call it that. That's a good idea. So she danced through that and then she has anxiety and then they take a pill for it. And that was a funny one. She had a couple things that I thought really worked and we talked before that about doing a. She had an idea to do. She said, do you care if I do a Hollywood minute? But it would be fun if I did that. But I brought you on and I thought that would be. I said, I don't know. We'd have to have really good jokes because that's a tough one. If the. Because it's so rough that sometimes the.

[Dana Carvey]

Jokes get the visual elements or you get a boo.

[David Spade]

But joke straight to camera with Nikki, I thought, oh, that's actually great. So I said, yeah. I said, yeah, let's work on that. So we started working on it. She got there and then it fell apart during the week, sadly, because I was on the road and I was at Houston. I did a show, then Tulsa. And then I was gonna go straight from Tulsa the day of the show, which would have been scary. Get there at like four and then just come to rehearsal. I think they rehearse update around dinner.

[Dana Carvey]

You know that that show is moving at the speed of Lord. And you know, things move and change and shuffle and there's all these different inputs into something getting cut or maybe we'll do it later.

[David Spade]

So yeah, you know what? They already had update. They said, well we already have update full. Yeah. So it didn't work out but one day we should do that because that was funny because Nikki would be the perfect person to do it with.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

She was going to say I want.

[Dana Carvey]

To do this bit.

[David Spade]

And then Colin was going to say isn't this Spades bit? And she goes, he's going to come mentor me. So then we start doing it together.

[Dana Carvey]

Right.

[David Spade]

That would have been fun. We'll do it.

[Dana Carvey]

You know that's, that's one of your big bangers from snl. So you coming out behind her. She's there going to do it. Well, this guy. It's always fun to have it be.

[David Spade]

A surprise SNL like it's David Spade.

[Dana Carvey]

It's.

[David Spade]

Yeah, it's a good SNL situation. So she did a lot of good sketches. She, I thought she did a great job. I think she was happy with it.

[Dana Carvey]

She said she like, oh yeah, she's a really good sketch player and comedic actress. Besides being a stand up, she's. She, she handled herself and she got to sing.

[David Spade]

She can sing in real life.

[Dana Carvey]

She was singing and that sister brother kind of karaoke thing where they're kind of a little too friendly with each other, you know that one was funny. That was up top.

[David Spade]

They rode the bull which was full bananas. Like I like the kind they're just nuts like that.

[Dana Carvey]

I like that when it went into like an outer space thing.

[David Spade]

Yeah, it' so nuts start very normal. Yeah, yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

There was some really good sketches on.

[David Spade]

That show and we would have had her on but it would have, it would air like a week later, you know, so it's not right after. But we will get some thoughts from her down the road and what else, what was your weekend, Danny? You want to tell me about anything exciting?

[Dana Carvey]

I saw a donkey. Oh, I saw a donkey and on.

[David Spade]

Your, on your farm or somewhere in the neighborhood? At the Beverly Center.

[Dana Carvey]

No, I was, I was just trying to, you know, work out and stuff. I was taking hikes up mountains and.

[David Spade]

Oh, you were walking out for a walk?

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, hiking up mountains. I do little thing, you know, I just try to keep it together.

[David Spade]

I say, I say I go hiking when literally I'm just walking but I want to sound more L. A. But you actually hike because you're strong.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, I like being in an oxygen debt. I like the feeling of it. So if I go up A. If I hike, I'm rolling like this, and then there's a really 14 degree hill for about three minutes around here. Then you're doing what I call redlining. Like, your pulse is so high and you're sweating that, but you really, by the time you get to the top, you have to kind of go down on your. You put your hands on your knees. So I like going to that. That. Then I feel very relaxed a little.

[David Spade]

Bit, you know, from the movie called Running man with Glen Powell, which is a remake of Arnold Schwarzenegger. And I thought I might do a remake where it's called Walking Man. And they go, for $1 billion, you have to walk 8,000 steps a day. And I'm like, I think I could.

[Dana Carvey]

Do it instead of Running Man. It should be called trying to walk man.

[David Spade]

It should be called this bullshit. About 10,000 steps is more than you think. But. But let's see if you can do it for 30 days straight. And if you just said it right now, I probably could not. Well, 10,000 steps of any life, it's hard.

[Dana Carvey]

10,000 steps is kind of made up, but people love the metrics.

[David Spade]

It is a good number. You know what it did when I heard about step counter, aside from, you know, bragging about it when I hit like 5,000. But it made me realize, oh, I get 10,000 a day. I just thought that. And then you look at your step counter. I go, oh, I got 3,400 today. And I go, I'm that far off, just in a regular day. And I realized I'm in la, I drive everywhere. So it made me get off my keister and say, oh, it takes a lot to get to 10,000. You have to pull over. Like, if you have a light, you're driving here, you have a meeting, you go home, you have to read, you have to watch this or you have to do this. So I'm sedentary a lot of the day, so I got to get up.

[Dana Carvey]

That's good. I mean, I would. They call a thing, they call it hit, you know, high interval training. And so once in a while, like, say you're at the Beverly center, go on the stairwell and just go up three flights of stairs once in a while for a couple minutes. Get. Get a little. Get your heart rate up and breathe a little hard. You know, stuff like that.

[David Spade]

I call it rot. Rot. Sit and rotation all day.

[Dana Carvey]

I call it. I call it D. C, D. I. David can't do it.

[David Spade]

DTDA David can't do anything.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, the A. Okay. Yeah, so that's something that's out there in the ether. High intensity is, is good to do once in a while. I know, you just do it so you have more life force and, and you look at us on this podcast. Look at our energy. It's unbelievable.

[David Spade]

Look at us, we're grinding. We're doing a straigh of the toughest thing you could do. They say this other than swimming, podcasting is the second hardest on all of your body parts.

[Dana Carvey]

Right? Well, I'm at. I don't have a chair. I'm just in a low deep squat. That was just a fake thing. Attaches to my back.

[David Spade]

To your shoulders?

[Dana Carvey]

Attached to my shoulders. That looks like I'm in a seat, but I'm in a dense squat. Do you mind if I take a selfie right now? This is nostalgia.

[David Spade]

Oh, you wanna take. Oh, okay. I see what you're doing. Get me in my purple sweater. We do have guests today. We have our old friend Mikey Myers. You know him from Shrek, from Wayne Austin Powers, three monster hits, of course, among many others, Sprockets and his, his brother Paul. We're gonna talk about the Beatles, we're gonna talk about John Candy. But we're gonna do a segment called Buzzing around real quick. And this is sponsored by Five Hour Energy's new cranberry lime flavor. Perfect way to cut through your holiday food induced coma. Head to your local retailer or www.fivehourenergy.com to order yours today. And so I'm gonna give you four people I wrote down that I know you do impressions of and then you're gonna put him in a scenario. Last week it was getting pulled over. It could be that, it could be anything you want. So I'm gonna give you. Ready?

[Dana Carvey]

Okay.

[David Spade]

Johnny Carson.

[Dana Carvey]

Johnny Carson.

[David Spade]

Johnny Carson. Jim. Jim Fallon.

[Dana Carvey]

I do them kind of.

[David Spade]

Okay, you got to get them in there somewhere. Paul McCartney.

[Dana Carvey]

Okay.

[David Spade]

And one of my favorites, Senator Kennedy. Why they're all hanging out together, I don't know, but you figured out you have 10 minutes to prep. No.

[Dana Carvey]

Okay, I'm going to. I'm going to. I'm going to do them again. Driving around and getting pulled over.

[David Spade]

Okay, that's a good scenario.

[Dana Carvey]

Okay, so I guess I need a sound effect from you maybe.

[David Spade]

Didn't you. Did you not hear? There's. Pull it over, please. By the way, I'm doing. I'm Senator Kennedy. Okay, just the siren.

[Dana Carvey]

Can I see your license and registration? My words, not yours. Please roll down the window. I need a sound effect.

[David Spade]

Oh.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, sorry. Officer, what seems to be the problem? The problem is the way I say it is. I estimate you were going in excess of 120 miles an hour. Your speed, not mine. Well, showing off. Sorry, I didn't know that. This is a new Corvette. Maybe I was a bit lead footed.

[David Spade]

No.

[Dana Carvey]

What? Who is the gentleman next to you? He looks familiar. Well, My name's Paul McCartney. I was in a band called the Beatles. You know the Beatles? I remember Frankie Avalon. Was he one of. One of the band members in the Beatles? My words, not yours. No, Frankie was sort of a Beach Boy sort of guy. But we were the Beatles. And we would plonk. When you say plonk, is that some kind of agricultural reference? What do you mean, plonk? Well, John and I would look at each other with the guitars and we start plonking away, you know?

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

And that's how we came up with Abbey Road.

[David Spade]

True story.

[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

Not mine. All right, now we have a guest coming up.

[David Spade]

There we go. And then let's zoom them in here. And I'm sure it'll be bumpy for a second, but we'll get it. Cue all the bumpiness.

[Dana Carvey]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[Paul Myers]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

That'S right.

[Paul Myers]

I wore a T shirt in honor of.

[David Spade]

Oh.

[Paul Myers]

You might notice this is a custom T shirt. The Ringo is in a different order now.

[David Spade]

Oh, it's usually Georgia.

[Dana Carvey]

He's here.

[Paul Myers]

Oh, I, I hear Mike.

[David Spade]

Oh my God. I can. Oh my God.

[Dana Carvey]

It's a BBC one. Come in, come in. They say, baby say.

[Paul Myers]

Okay, so you still. Yes, you're there.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, second day here. Yes, Mike.

[Mike Myers]

I was gonna wear Toronto police hat as well.

[Dana Carvey]

You can always call that audible. We have no rules. Obviously we have.

[David Spade]

And we have no pushes Canada more than almost anyone, you do a good job. You must be like a hero.

[Mike Myers]

Well, you know what, it's. When he attacked us, that was rough, you know, hurt our feelings. We love Americans.

[David Spade]

Oh, good. Yeah. I think I still like Canada. I didn't know I didn't like them, but I guess. No, no.

[Dana Carvey]

We had a guest on recently who kind of knows Donald Trump, like talks to him. He said that. I'm paraphrased. The guy, Donald Trump wakes up every day and just says if somebody he's mad at someone, he'll just mess with them. So I said so when he said, well, we'll make Canada our 51st date, he was joking. That's what he said. Of course he had.

[David Spade]

Didn't go well, I'll tell you that.

[Mike Myers]

But now it.

[Dana Carvey]

Trump's a little, you know, you don't go. Is he serious? Because then I started thinking, well, my wife's from Canada. We do flow together nicely. Yes.

[David Spade]

Oh yeah. All my important people are canon.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Mike Myers]

It doesn't matter. It's madness.

[David Spade]

We were. We have a very important announcement.

[Mike Myers]

Yes.

[David Spade]

It's your brother's shirt. And there's a difference in the order.

[Mike Myers]

John Paul.

[Paul Myers]

We got these.

[Dana Carvey]

So why the Ringo before George?

[David Spade]

Yeah, this is interesting. Yeah.

[Paul Myers]

It's what we call a whim. It was a whim. It was me not remembering how the sequence went. And I'm feeling very pro Ringo at the time. And we had somebody, we had a friend. This is based on a international jet set design. That's the name of the company. And they, they had George third. And I know that he's the third songwriter in the band and that's why he's third.

[Dana Carvey]

Right.

[Paul Myers]

I was feeling so pro Ringo that I had the shirts commissioned. Mike has one somewhere in storage. I think it was on the storage.

[David Spade]

It's just.

[Mike Myers]

It didn't make it down to New York yet.

[Paul Myers]

I guess that's what I meant. You're storing it somewhere else.

[David Spade]

Easy with the storage accusations.

[Mike Myers]

It's in Provo, Utah and it's all very hush hush.

[David Spade]

Yeah, it's very quiet.

[Dana Carvey]

Something with a data center. Elon Musk. It doesn't matter. It.

[Mike Myers]

It doesn't matter. It's all good.

[Paul Myers]

So strictly need to know.

[Dana Carvey]

But I would get getting back to Beetle Nerd for a second. Paul and Ringo had their own special relationship as the rhythm section. So I always wanted to. And you guys could relate to this. Back to the Beatles, 1965. My dad was an ex army guy, so he would literally give us crew cuts. Me and my three older brothers. There are four of us, there's three of you guys. And I always wanted to have kind of beadly messy hair around. Around 1965, so. And obviously Paul kind of as well. That's not. It's. It's disoriented. But you. You. That's not a hairpiece. That's your actual hair. Because it is amazing.

[Mike Myers]

Who, mine or Paul's?

[Dana Carvey]

Well, your hair is just very.

[David Spade]

Your hair looks cool.

[Paul Myers]

Yeah, no, that's my.

[Mike Myers]

It's military.

[David Spade]

Mike always had good hair. Even back on the show, I was.

[Mike Myers]

Quietly gray as it stays. That's my theory.

[David Spade]

Oh, yeah.

[Paul Myers]

As long as it's Mike. How do you feel about me telling the secrets of your childhood haircuts? Like, because Mike was the guy who, if he didn't like the barber in the family haircut, he would storm out and say, I'm gonna go get my own haircut.

[Dana Carvey]

Whoa.

[Paul Myers]

And we were like, you can do that.

[Mike Myers]

And I had the money to do it.

[Paul Myers]

That was my hero.

[Dana Carvey]

How old were you when you said.

[David Spade]

When did you get Shrek commercials?

[Mike Myers]

And I'd be like, oh, really? Yeah, yeah.

[David Spade]

Were you cute?

[Mike Myers]

I was cute.

[Paul Myers]

Was very cute.

[Mike Myers]

But can I just say that? Were you cute that you just. The reading of that was maybe the creepiest reading of Were you adorable?

[Dana Carvey]

There was an undertone I didn't want to mention. It comes out once in a while. I don't know what it means. I'm not. I'm not going to go there.

[David Spade]

No. But Mike, I learned that when I was in an airplane. When you say to a baby, oh, my God, you're so cute, you have to say it like that. You can't go, oh, my God, you're good looking.

[Paul Myers]

Yes.

[David Spade]

No. Okay, just go take it down.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, it is all in there.

[Mike Myers]

You know, I'm.

[Paul Myers]

I'm just gonna.

[Mike Myers]

I'm gonna get a Coca Cola.

[Dana Carvey]

Get a Coca Cola. I'm gonna. I want to do one thing before we get in the Beatles anyway, which is Paul wrote a book.

[David Spade]

Yeah, there we go.

[Paul Myers]

Yes, it's true.

[Dana Carvey]

Paul wrote a book about John Candy. Do you want to tell that journey of where you wrote the book and then what happened with the documentary? There it is. Yeah. John Candy, A Life in Comedy.

[Paul Myers]

And, well, the Story of me writing that book. Thank you very much for mentioning it, Dana. The story of me writing that book is that I had written a book about the Canadian sketch legends, the Kids in the hall and.

[Dana Carvey]

That's right.

[Paul Myers]

And that was published by a company called House of Anansi Press. And they. They really liked the book and they said, you know, we want you to do another book. And I wanted to do like a sketch comedy book. And then my editor actually said, a guy named Doug Richmond, he said, if you do it about just John Candy from Second City, you could also get to talk about all those cool movies he made. And I was like, dude, that's my next book. And I spent three and a half years sort of, you know, searching out Steve Martin, Dan Aykroyd, Catherine o', Hara, pretty much everybody who you need to talk to and people that you didn't know you needed to talk to, like people who worked on the shows, people who worked in the crews and. And people who wrote the. Some of the scenes for SCTV that you don't hear their names all the time. And it was just. They all had stories about John. And I put together this idea of who John Candy was and why we still love him, like 30 years.

[Mike Myers]

We miss him, dude.

[Paul Myers]

Yeah, we miss.

[David Spade]

He might be one of the most universally liked performers that literally, I have never heard one negative thing about him.

[Paul Myers]

It's true.

[Mike Myers]

He was very nice to me.

[Dana Carvey]

So you wrote this book, which I'm reading, by the way, and I'm loving it because for me, being in the world I'm in, I went up through Stand up, but Mike went through, you know, different Second City and all that. So it's very interesting how through John Candy you go. You're really getting into the nitty gritty details, which I have to say, it is different reading this book than the. The documentary that is out. That is great. That weirdly came out. And I remember talking to Colin Hanks and going, you know, Paul Myers is doing a book about, you know, John Candy. And he went, huh? And he walked away. No, I made that up. But that can be great. But this book is so detailed and so experiential as far as the grease paint and the food and everything. I'm just really enjoying it. So great job.

[Paul Myers]

Well, thank you. You know, when I was writing the book, I knew that they were the Candy family who I consulted before I even started doing. That's Jennife, Chris and the mother Rose, and you know, John's widow Rose. And they are great people. And I contacted Jennifer and I said, I want to do this book. This is three years ago. I want to do this book about John Candy. I'm. I'm going to be respectful to your dad, who's a hero of mine. I wrote about this, Kids in the hall. And I, I'm familiar with the world of Second City through my brother. And she said, oh, we know who you are. We think you're going to do a great job, but we are making a film of our own, so I hope you don't mind. Okay, but we're going to make our own movie. And I said, oh, cool. And at that point, Colin Hanks wasn't involved. And then I kept following their progress, but I didn't know where they were. And then we announced about a year ago, October 7th was our release date for John Candy, A Life in Comedy. Thank you. And about two months by Paul Myers. Yes. House of Ancy Press. You know, it's available everywhere. And then about. Somewhere in that process, about two months later, there was an announcement that they were premiering their film. Ryan Reynolds produced. Colin Hanks directed. I Like Me. And it was going to be on Amazon three days after our book comes out. And you might think that's like bad timing, but I think it's the best timing. It's like, because now everyone's seeing the pictures of John Candy and a generation that maybe didn't even know the genius of John Candy is now conversing to him to the point where they're going to want to read.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, it's not a.

[Paul Myers]

It's been working out great. And Ryan, Ryan reached out to me too, afterwards, and he said, let's do an event together. So we're on the same team. We're all on Team Canada.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. And I do think that, yeah, it's, it's not like it's another biography about John Candy. They. They can work together. And the awareness now, it usually comes in threes, but it is interesting historically where all of a sudden everyone goes, John Candy, you know, and I only knew him through his movies and Second City and that. But it's his journey. What did you. I'm just curious off, obviously, his kindness and his. All that is there. What, what was the other surprises about your investigation, sort of, or your, your immersive thing of finding out who this guy was.

[Paul Myers]

I was surprised to learn and I guess it made sense that he was a great actor first, before he even wanted to be a comic or comedian. He, he, he'd started on the stage in Toronto and He'd been. His idols were people like Charles Lawton. You would never think that.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Paul Myers]

You know, but. And Jackie Gleason, of course. So he loved comedy. He was a huge fan of the Dick Van Dyke show and things like that, but he really wanted to do dramatic arts. And if you think about it, the. I'm going to sound like an egghead here, but the emotional intelligence that he brought to his roles, even a big broad character like Ox from Stripes, he brought that certain actorly sense of this isn't just a guy making a joke. This is. This is somebody who has a life, you know, and it doesn't have to show you the life, it's just there and he. He presents it. And I don't know nothing about acting, but I know that. That he seemed like he had something going on there.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Paul Myers]

And that. That confirmed by people like Oliver Stone, who said when he put him in jfk, remember John Candy had a small part in JFK and it was a very serious role. And Candy's commitment to getting the New Orleans accent and working on actually portraying Dean Andrews Jr Oliver Stone said this guy could do anything. This guy should be. They. He kind of predicted that he would be on the, you know, Academy Awards best actor list at some point. Sadly, he passed away before that. But it was 1994, so we were all in this.

[David Spade]

Were we all on the show or. You were done, Dana, by then? Yeah, I, I was still on.

[Dana Carvey]

I just left. Mike was still.

[David Spade]

Mike was. Mike. Are you still there, 94? Because, I mean, I. I was of course hit through those movies from, you know, Uncle Buck to even Blues Brothers. It's always fun. You see a movie with all. But like buddies, you can tell. And he's like the Orange Whip. Orange Whip, Orange Whip. But just bringing. When you throw him anything, can't stop watching him. You just know if this guy says yes to this movie, I don't care what size the part is, that's a guy. And then you just grow to say, oh, this guy. I have to see what he does. So that was a. Fun for me. Never saw him, though.

[Dana Carvey]

He almost hosted SNL once, but he didn't. He almost. There was rumors he was going to come in and host snl, but.

[Paul Myers]

Well, he almost joined the cast. Andrew at Andrew Alexander at Second City said, I'll pay you anything to not cast the message they've been losing. They lost Ackroyd and Gilda to. To snl. And this is the Second City stage. Right. So before SCTV ever went on the air, they had started rate. Lauren had started raiding the cast, which is obviously you would, if you're Lorne Michaels, get the best available. Yeah, but, and, and, and, and Second City didn't have a TV show yet. And the whole reason for SCTV was as a, as a way to hammer stop from hemorrhaging talent. And they, they end up making their own version of it. That. And you can see in the book. I just want to say Dan Aykroyd is a great connective tissue in this book because not only did you know John Candy first audition for Second City Stage because of Dan Aykroyd, Ackroyd and Valerie Bromfield pushed him into auditioning. He gets picked up, sent to Chicago to work with Bill Murray and learn comedy ropes with a young Bill Murray. And then, and then he gets. And then Aykroyd puts him in the Blues Brothers. They were in 1941 together, the Steven Spielberg comedy. And then, you know, the great outdoors and it's just like all through it. And then Ackroyd wrote the most amazing eulogy at John's Los Angeles funeral. And that is why when I went to Dan Aykroyd after writing this book and having these great stories, I said, there's no one else I want to have to write the forward but Dan Aykroyd. And he just did it.

[Dana Carvey]

I'm reading the forward going, who wrote. It's so poetic. And then I finally. Oh, Dan Aykroyd. You know, a minute ago, before we had technical difficulties, Mike, you had an intersection. I just want to hear that for a second.

[Paul Myers]

Oh, yeah, Mike. Mike, tell that great story about you and John. Ken, there's only.

[Mike Myers]

There's only two people that I've ever waited outside a stage door for. One was Lily Tomlin. Tomlin. And the other one was John Candy. And John came out and I said, oh, John, I'm a big fan. I want to do what you do. And he said, you should join the Second City workshops and told me where it was and all that stuff. And Tim Kazarinski was there, and he was like super, super positive and helpful. So I went and took the Second City workshops after seeing him. And then after Wayne's World went up to Toronto to visit my family, and I was at Wayne Gretzky's restaurant. Couldn't be more Canadian than that. And across the way is John Candy. Sorry, John Candy. And I was like, holy, he's coming over. I said, I said, it's a joke to, to my friend.

[Dana Carvey]

And he was.

[Mike Myers]

And he came over gave me a big hug and so, so happy for a Scarborough boy to do so well. And congratulations. You're just so incredibly gracious and fantastic. And it. That actually meant more to me than. Than a lot of things that happened during that really exciting time of. Of Wayne's World.

[Dana Carvey]

You know, it's always surreal. And whenever people, you know, pass the torch or like, you must have people come up to you, Mike, and if. And you saw them in something and, you know, it's. It's very nice if it means something to some young performer. You know, the only thing I say to people, I was someone at a hocus store, this woman, I'm in the ground Lanes. And I said, the only thing I say. It's not profound at all. I just say, just work on yourself. Don't listen to who's making it or anybody else. All you can do is try to be better. It's pretty obvious because. Oh, okay. Because easy to get caught up in the drama and neurosis and unfairness of show business and the pressure.

[David Spade]

I still talk about that.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, Spade and I are. Well, we'll talk later. But anyway, so, yeah, the book, John Candy, A Life in Comedy and boy, Uncle Buck, Plane, Trains and Automobiles with Steve Martin.

[David Spade]

That was such a. That one hits hard. Yeah, that's perfect.

[Paul Myers]

Yeah, it's such. It was so great. James. James Hughes, the son of John Hughes, talked to me about just the relationship that his father, John Hughes, had with John Candy. And when you realize that the two families would vacation together and they. They're both from, like, you know, Hughes is from Chicago, where he's a hockey fan, and they have snowy winters. And John, of course, is from Toronto, where they have snowy winters and hockey. And they had a lot in common beyond that. And then they both moved to Brentwood around the same time, and so they were both adjusting to sort of being outsiders in Hollywood, but they were both at the peak of their careers. So when he wrote Planes, Trains and Automobiles, Hughes, he really understood who John Kennedy was as the lead. And he kind of put a lot of truth into it. And there's that great speech, the. What we call the I like me scene where John. John Carrick, his character Del Griffith, finally erupts at Steve Martin and says, you know, I like me. My wife likes me, My kids like me, you know, and it's, you know, my customers like me and I'm who I am and I'm not changing. And it's like, it could be John Candy talk. And it's. And that's one of those great moments like De Niri, De Niro and Scorsese, you know, where you have the two of them together. I said, scorsese, sorry, I'm busting myself for no reason. Nobody was gonna bust me. And I just went and did that. Mike knows all about it.

[Dana Carvey]

I was reading through your book and mentioning some of it to my wife, and then she just said, just casually, it's not something that hasn't been talked about before, but when you read the book, you go, what the hell is it with Canada, with this low population, with this massive hall of fame comedians, 80% of Canada. It's kind of crazy. And all coalescing in this same time, you know, it's sort of mind blowing. And then the sensibility of SCTV did seem quintessentially Canadian. Or there's something about that show for an American watching it and just going, holy. They're. There's just a frequency therein that I. Is not American. But, man, was it funny.

[Mike Myers]

And it's not English either.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. What is it?

[Mike Myers]

It's somewhere in between. We're. We're an observer nation, you know what I mean?

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Mike Myers]

Because we don't have. I mean, we have an identity.

[Paul Myers]

Actually.

[Mike Myers]

The kids today in Canada have way more sense of themselves than we did growing up.

[Dana Carvey]

And what would you describe that identity as?

[Mike Myers]

It's.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, you have a lot of creative icons and Lorne Michaels have emerged over, at least in the arts.

[Mike Myers]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

And also musicians. But I think of a. The nicest country I've ever been in is Canada. As far as the people treating me, I just. It was freaky.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Paul Myers]

Yeah. They love both of you guys up there. But can I just say, I'd like to take. I'd like to take the question a little bit and say that I have talked to a lot of. Because I did the Kids in the hall book last, and. And Mike. And Mike and. And Dan Aykroyd and Catherine o' Hara and Eugene Levy. All these people have shown a generation and two generations and three generations what it means to be funny on the world stage, but also just to be quintessentially Canadian while you're doing it. And then what happened was a lot of these people, this happened in a lot of areas with the YouTube generation. There's a lot of people that are just making comedy. They don't even think beyond the borders of the Internet. So they're. They accidentally make something that's regional and specific for Canadians. So they have their own heroes and they never. We Never used to. We used to get validation from outside sources, and we still do, but. But, you know, just like the Beatles had to go around the world, but they still kept their Liverpool thing. And I think that. I think that's what's going on in contemporary Canada is we've got a whole. I say we. I. I don't live there, but I just spent a lot of time there recently.

[David Spade]

We.

[Paul Myers]

I found that in Calgary, people just had their own thing and they would love to export it, and they do, but they're really not thinking about. Not all thinking about taking it away.

[Mike Myers]

I. I mean, I love Canada, and if I'd stayed in Canada, I'd be fine and all that stuff. But I really did want to come to America, you know what I mean? Because that's the center of the center. Or I wanted to be in England, and I was in both places. I went to England to be in part of the English comedy thing. And I think that's kind of. But it also just. I knew one thing. I could probably be a hockey player because I'm from Canada and I could probably be in comedy. You know what I mean?

[Dana Carvey]

One or the other possible.

[Mike Myers]

One or the other.

[David Spade]

Well, you've seen it happen.

[Mike Myers]

I know that we can do that.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Paul Myers]

I mean, it seems considered both.

[David Spade]

Mike, were you thought when they were kids, were you taught or just was the mindset America's inferior to Canada or better or the same? Like, were you saying, I should. I really want to make it in America? Or they thought America is not where you want to be? That's.

[Mike Myers]

No, I would say. I'd say. I think the world recognizes that American show business is the best in the world. And I mean.

[David Spade]

Okay.

[Mike Myers]

And that's why, you know, even on Wayne's World, you know, we had Dutch camera guy and Czech clapper loader, and like, everybody was from everywhere else, you know what I mean? And it really is the. In terms of entertainment, you know.

[David Spade]

Sure.

[Mike Myers]

I mean, they say that the Star wars program brought down Soviet Union, you know, sdi. But I think it was the movie Star wars more than anything, where they went, holy. You have enough story power and enough economy power to make a whole other universe. You know what I mean? That's better than our universe.

[Paul Myers]

You know what? You know what's interesting about that story, too, is that you mentioned Star wars and what happened was, you know, America is the show. The show. Right. And that's what happened with, you know, all the people who go to. Lauren takes the show and creates Lorne Michaels creates SNL in, in New York City. And he always tells people, like the kids in the hall, learn how to have your show play in Indianapolis. You know, learn how to. You know, it's not just about the borders where you are, it's about everyone seeing it in all the, the platforms. Right. But when Star wars started, interesting thing because there's a, an animation program at Sheridan College in Toronto that they, they helped create Industrial Light and Magic. And so they drained all the talent from Sheridan College and created this thing in Marin county. And it's, it was initially staffed by like, I don't know the percentages, but around 60% Canadian.

[Mike Myers]

I didn't know that.

[Paul Myers]

And it's. Again, the thing is, come to the show. Bring the show. And the Beatles came to the show. You know, the Beatles wanted to be on Ed. They, they would conquer Britain, but they hadn't conquered America.

[Mike Myers]

American show business is just the best in the world. And, and you know, even my mom, when she saw Wayne's World, she said, oh, that Dane is very good, isn't he?

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, she was, she was funny that way. She was funny, she was like, it's just Americans.

[Mike Myers]

They have it, don't they? Just Americans just have it.

[David Spade]

Not all.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, you got Canada also. Jim Carrey.

[Mike Myers]

Jim Carrey, yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

You know, fantastic. Exploded Norm MacDonald. The Norm MacDonald. So there's nothing.

[David Spade]

I'm from Canada.

[Paul Myers]

Norm MacDonald.

[Dana Carvey]

T H E E. There is no other Norm MacDonald, God rest his soul. I mean, that his. So anyway, what about Great Outdoors?

[David Spade]

That's. Is that a John Candy?

[Paul Myers]

Yeah, yeah, John Candy and Ben Akroyd. Two handers. They say, yeah, it was great. And it was. So anyone who watches that from Canada will see that. That's what we call the cottage, you know, which you would call cabin life, you know, and it's, it's totally like Southern Ontario kind of setting, but it's actually set in California. But you know, that's when. So you did. In Wayne's World, Mike, you made Aurora, Illinois be a. Basically a stand in for Scarborough, Ontario, right?

[Mike Myers]

Yeah, but then it's all. The North American suburbs are all the same, you know. I mean. Yeah, and heavy metal is all the same everywhere. Like you could, you know, you see kids in Argentina dressed like, you know what I mean, Heavy metal culture, that kind of thing.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Mike Myers]

But you know, Penelope did a great job too, just creating an authentic world for that movie.

[Paul Myers]

Yeah. Because she knew the, the terrain.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, we, we had Via, of course, Mike the creator, you know, Stan Makita's, you know, a lot of stuff from your childhood. But it's all variations on a theme. Everyone. And you know, I. I only had my own little theory. Was just that the two guys you live with your. We live with our parents. We have an AMC Pacer. We're nowhere. We have no real money or any. And we're just the happiest people. And my family too. I had brothers and a sister. We were. We would make rituals out of stuff. You know, we. Everything would be a game or you. We'd be watching a Boris Karloff movie all night movies. And you have to run to the mailbox, come back. It's stuff like you guys did, I'm sure. And that's was what makes Wayne's World just mean fun, you know, because they're having fun almost all the time. Besides the truth. I don't know who was trying to steal your love interest. Rob Low, the first one. Anyway. Besides that. Go ahead. But as brothers, just for a second in Canada, there's a rumor that you guys were rough and tumble, like you threw Mike out in the snow one day or something. I mean, I had all kinds of stuff like that.

[Mike Myers]

Oh yeah. I mean we.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Mike Myers]

When come guilty? Was it like the first week of first year of Saint Live and we.

[Paul Myers]

Were at the River League and we.

[Mike Myers]

Had a fist fight. Remember that?

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Paul Myers]

I, I, I. As, as, as, as as was happens. I can't remember why on earth it got.

[Mike Myers]

We often fought. We'd often would be like Scottish people, which is I love you not.

[Dana Carvey]

Get out, get out.

[Paul Myers]

You know what I mean? It may have been whether the Buzzcocks were better than the Sex Pistols or something like that. Like it really. Something that really doesn't matter now. But, but at the time it's like very fast. Alcohol was involved.

[Mike Myers]

Alcohol was involved.

[Paul Myers]

Beers were involved.

[Dana Carvey]

Did anyone get someone in a headlock and the guy in the headlock said cut it out, cut it out. Did that, did it go to that level?

[Mike Myers]

Oh, Peter used to do that. My brother Peter used to do Spitzer. You know the thing.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Paul Myers]

Oh yeah. Flags gets to your head.

[David Spade]

Yeah. I was a bottom in that situation.

[Mike Myers]

Your stomach. And then the last one was Japan, which was Wham.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, it's just people with not a lot of money. It's cold and you're inside and it's Sunday afternoon.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

You're like, bounce. Go ahead.

[Paul Myers]

I once dragged Mike around by his pulling his ankles and his head hit the side of a counter and you got a small cut in your head and I thought I'd killed you.

[Mike Myers]

And I was like.

[Paul Myers]

And I, I remember thinking, looked at.

[Mike Myers]

You were like, what the hell? What the hell? And I was like, Jesus, it raining in here. And it was. My blood was going. I looked like a wrestler.

[Paul Myers]

Is it raining like the shining in here? Yeah.

[Mike Myers]

Yeah.

[Paul Myers]

And then what I love is my reaction. My reaction to having thought I'd killed my brother is I got on my little 10 speed bike and I ran. I rode to the end of the street, hid in a park for two hours and thought, I guess the statute of limitations is up, I can come home now. You know, it was like, I don't understand why I thought that was the solution if I really had killed him.

[David Spade]

Just make a break for it.

[Paul Myers]

Ah, but we were great.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, we did well. I don't know if I had fights, I just got beat up a lot or. But it was quick, you know, I was pint sized, you know, and three older brothers. But mostly, you know, mostly we just had a lot of fun. My brother Brad, the, you know, he fixed this old machine where you slid a thing like it was a bowling alley. And my. We did get a bumper pool table and then we would just play and we were left alone. It was pre micromanaging parenting, obviously. No one knew where you were. No helmets, you know, all that stuff.

[Mike Myers]

Mike, Lawn darts, right?

[David Spade]

Illegal.

[Mike Myers]

Imagine lawn darts now.

[David Spade]

Yeah, jarts.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, we play with darts. And I threw it and it went. It went like that and it just hit my brother inside his thigh where it was sticking out.

[David Spade]

Darts and jarts were. Should be illegal still.

[Mike Myers]

So should be or should not be?

[David Spade]

They should be. I think they were pretty. I mean, jarts. A few kids in the neighborhood died from jarts.

[Dana Carvey]

All right, so here, just as a background here. So I just thought for myself, I thought, God, I just. Every time I talk about the Beatles, I love it. And I've been on Paul Myers Podcast. The official name, or where you get it is Paul Myers Podcast, the Record.

[Paul Myers]

Store Day podcast with Paul Myers. It's sponsored by Record Store Day, but it's on every week of the year. Thank you for that.

[Dana Carvey]

Okay, so, well, we went on that and I realized, you know, of course with Mike over the years, you know, the Beatles and the Clash, you know, he has other punk playing. He does Beetle Fanatic. And then when I meet him, I can recognize one. And then you were crazy into the Beatles, so I thought, I called Mike and I.

[Paul Myers]

We had the best time though. Yeah, no, when you were on our show, by the way, I pimped you to just talk about Paul McCartney. And I think the promise I made to you was because I know I'm sensitive to comedians doing freebies on other people. I said, you won't have to do material. You don't have to do material. Just come on and talk about the Beatles and music. And that's all we want you to do. And that Fred Armisen's been on the show for the same reason. And. And I knew that you got it because music was such a big, you know, chopping broccoli, you know, like you.

[Dana Carvey]

Knew music and that's why it was that sophisticated. But that's his.

[David Spade]

Let it be.

[Dana Carvey]

I don't mind. I. I could do Paul this poll now, today. I could do him all day long. You know, I just. I'm doing a bit older, but I never can get tired of the question.

[Mike Myers]

Thing at the end.

[Dana Carvey]

I get a bit older. But. So anyway, so I called. I called Mike and just said, do you want to come on with Paul? Because he's. Because I just love talking about the Beatles. So that was the idea. And then now we're here and so let's talk about the Beatles. But I think it took us five.

[Paul Myers]

Seconds to say yes, by the way.

[Dana Carvey]

We'll do it again. But so anyway, as a way to start off, because I. There's the reason we talk about the Beatles is because we want to celebrate them, I think, because why are you talking about the Beatles again? And we come up with what album? Whatever. Okay, so here's the first one. I'll do. I do sometimes better melody and I love her. Or She's Leaving Home.

[Mike Myers]

She's Leaving Home for me.

[Paul Myers]

Do you want to take this one? Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, I agree. I think. I think. I think so. She's Leaving Home is maybe underrated only because we hear Let It Be and hey Jude and a lot of different songs. A lot out in the world.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Super bowl or in Canada, you know. But she's my favorite melody, though.

[Mike Myers]

My favorite melody is Martha, My Dear.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, that's good.

[Paul Myers]

Another McCartney, by the way.

[Dana Carvey]

I think Michael McKean might have said that was the best song.

[David Spade]

So too.

[Dana Carvey]

It's like a. Almost a little Mozart.

[Paul Myers]

It's. Yeah. It's got chamber pop. It's got. It's got a. It could have been played in a Victorian sitting room.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Paul Myers]

Could have been like on a. Spin it piano. I want to get back to She's Leaving Home before we move on to that, though, because She's Leaving Home does something that McCartney, he was the adventurous one most of the Time with the melodies. And I think John was pushing the envelope with chords in production. But the. The. She's Leaving Home does this Friday Morning. And then there's a counterpoint with the strings like the. And they're all like. It's like two Swans or Eagles or something. And. And that is the most exciting thing with McCartney when he does that. And I think also he's telling a story in that song that is more literal than most of his stories, you know, because the. I love Paul McCartney. But a lot of times it's definitely stream of consciousness to the point where what the hell is he talking about? I mean, one of my favorite songs is Getting Closer from a Wings later album, Back to the Egg. And he. He. He talks about My salamander and Got to Beware of Snipers in the middle of a song that's a happy song about driving.

[Mike Myers]

What about I Am Wall. I Am the Walrus, though? I mean.

[Paul Myers]

Oh, yeah, see, I'm the Walrus is John's fantastic.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, it. That's one of those songs that shouldn't exist and does exist. And I still would say it's not even the 2025 hasn't caught up to it.

[David Spade]

Right.

[Paul Myers]

Good point.

[Dana Carvey]

And you'd think the lyrics are gibberish, but the whole is greater than some of the parts.

[Paul Myers]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Yellow man and custard dripping from a dead dog's eye. It's like, I don't need to know. Try to figure that out. I'm just feeling that man spoke for.

[Paul Myers]

My generation with that line that. That I think who can.

[Mike Myers]

But I think that owes more. Owes more to the Beats.

[Paul Myers]

Don't you think?

[Mike Myers]

Think the Beat poets.

[Paul Myers]

Yes.

[Mike Myers]

That to me is more.

[Paul Myers]

But I'll tell you the truth.

[Dana Carvey]

The truth is John Sers. And.

[Paul Myers]

Yeah, yeah, I think, yeah, I think Beat poetry helped enable that idea of words being less literal. But John actually says he wrote that song because some egghead critic had written about how smart and how there's several layers working.

[Dana Carvey]

And he.

[Paul Myers]

And he says now who knows if it's Liverpool? Just teasing. But he said that he wrote that song I Am the Walrus as a kind of a dare to see if anyone would take it seriously. Well, one thing he was kind of aware that he was pushing.

[Dana Carvey]

When you. When you think about the Beatles, this is a more macro question, but it's sort of like you got the first part, you know, like, I'm a walrus. You're like, okay. And sometimes I listen and I go, okay, I know where he's going. But how did he come up sitting in English? He goes all the way. And this as good as the. The main. I don't know words, what the main part is. That is also.

[Paul Myers]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

And it's a little bit like she's leaving home again. Is. I assume that Lennon wrote the melody when he does the refrain. We gave a best of or influenced it.

[Paul Myers]

Right.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. Because it's his.

[Paul Myers]

It's hard, you know, you. I. I don't know. Because they did actually help each other a lot, like. Because, you know, the famous story about hey Jude is he wrote that song, for instance, for.

[Dana Carvey]

For.

[Paul Myers]

Yeah, that shoulder line. He wrote it for Julian Len, and it was called hey, Jules. And he says, I'm changing the. The movement you need is on your shoulder. And John said, you bloody won't. You bloody won't change it. You know? And so they were helping each other that way. So I think maybe John on I'm the Walrus might have been thinking, almost predicting what Paul would do, because he goes like, I am me and you are me. And it's like, don't, don't, don't. But then all of a sudden, sitting in an English garden, and it's like. Like Paul would put the. How do I say this? Twee. But it's not twee in a bad way. But it's. What we love about McCartney, about Martha, my dear, is that it's a little more dainty, you know, with the other parts. Like almost heavy metal, like, you know.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, totally.

[Paul Myers]

I just wonder about that.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. Well, that's why.

[Paul Myers]

I wonder if they were finishing each other's thoughts at that point.

[Mike Myers]

Let's talk about across the universe, though, as.

[Dana Carvey]

As I talk about that for all.

[Mike Myers]

Day, that's my favorite. And Paul and Dana, you guys may know better than me, but that's.

[Dana Carvey]

No, that's John.

[Paul Myers]

Right?

[Mike Myers]

That's all John.

[Dana Carvey]

That's. That's John 100%. And I believe. And I don't know the timing of it, but didn't he kind of play it for the other three in the Let It Be documentary at one point? And they're all sitting there listening, so I wonder if he sort of went off and finished it himself. But I believe that's all John. And it's John's.

[Paul Myers]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

One of his favorite lyrics, the Thing.

[Mike Myers]

Too, where he hangs on. What do they call it? Like, with a pedal bass, where you play the same. You hang on the same note.

[Paul Myers]

He tends. Like in Dear Prudence, he tends to do that.

[Mike Myers]

Paul goes up and down. John hangs on one note, Right. And things move around him.

[Paul Myers]

Well, what they do is he moves. He moves notes inside, like. So it's essentially the same chord all the way through, but then there's a melody like. Like in Dear Prudence, where it goes like, dang, ding, ding, dang. But the bas is slightly moving, but it's the same dang, dang, dang, dang, Dear Prudence. And the guitar is playing that dang, dang, dang, dang all the way through it. And it becomes hypnotic because you're kind of. And I'm sure psychedelics were involved, but they were tripping on that, like sort of a raga, you know, like create a repeating thing that makes you not remember where you are. And then it works. It works more hypnotically.

[Dana Carvey]

The. The lyrics of across the Universe always got me, you know?

[Paul Myers]

Yeah.

[Mike Myers]

I feel like that's.

[Paul Myers]

Oh, yeah.

[Mike Myers]

No, I feel like that's what it would be if you actually went across the universe. I mean, I know that sounds really corny, but.

[Dana Carvey]

Good point.

[Mike Myers]

But, like, that's one of those ones where I. If I listen to that on headphones by myself, I do get a little. I feel the coldness of space and it's like. You know what I mean?

[Dana Carvey]

It's. Yeah, because. Just transforming across the universe.

[Paul Myers]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

With that melody, it. It's. It's. It's. It's profound, you know, and it's empty, too.

[Mike Myers]

It's a little cold. Tell me if I'm right. It's cold.

[Paul Myers]

It's.

[Mike Myers]

It's not a warm production, right?

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Paul Myers]

It's a stark production.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Paul Myers]

And then there's a Phil Spector version where they added the kids choir, going, like. And I actually prefer the. There's a version that was on one of the anthologies where pretty much.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Paul Myers]

And you remember on the. The demo tape, he. He does. He wanted to get this little rhythm, like, it's like a chicka chicka chicka chicka underneath it. And so he started saying Sugar plum Fairy. Sugar plum Fairy.

[David Spade]

Right.

[Paul Myers]

And Sugar Plum Fairy was kind of the. The engine for him of what the rhythm of the song was going to be. I mean, this. These guys at that time were, like, allowed to do this. They were allowed to just dream. And, you know, they went to Rishikesh to study with the Maharishi and ended up writing, like, 18 songs each. Paul and John and, I think George, too. But. And. And a lot of the songs that came out later, like Jealous Guy by John Lennon, was actually started in Russia, Keshe, when they were Studying with the Maharishi, you know, And Sexy Sadie, of course, is actually about it.

[Dana Carvey]

I often, you know, just because of the Let It Be documentary. And seeing Paul, when Paul.

[David Spade]

We.

[Dana Carvey]

We interviewed Paul. Whoops. And he goes. I thought I was a bit bossy.

[Paul Myers]

You know, with the others.

[Dana Carvey]

But I did point out to him, I said, you were so enthusiastic playing on everyone else's song. Like, if it was John's song.

[Paul Myers]

Oh, okay. Let me.

[Dana Carvey]

Let me help you, you know. Yeah. And so.

[Paul Myers]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

I. I don't. I lost my train of thought anyway. No. Sexy, Sexy Sadie.

[Mike Myers]

But aren't we glad he was bossy? If he was bossy, I've got him.

[Dana Carvey]

I think he was a de facto producer, but you can help me. This. Paul can help me with that.

[David Spade]

Perhaps.

[Dana Carvey]

But he could sing all the harmony. He had a greater range. He could play all the instruments. So he's kind of an arranger. That's how I was thinking of Sexy Sadie, because Lennon maybe wrote the chords on the guitar. It's utterly Lennon. But the opening piano riff, the slight echo on it, and it's so broad and wide and bizarre. And Paul's playing that. So I didn't know in that moment, does Paul kind of. In terms of cadence or. I'm not sure how he intersects, like, obviously, Dear Prudence, we know. At least. At least until maybe Ringo plays the solo at the end. That's a controversy currently. But we know Paul is playing the bass. That's what I wanted to tell Paul. John Lennon loved you. I don't care what. You guys were only 29. John Lennon loved you. Because you can't write a song and have a guy come and go. Here's the bass line, which I think is brilliant in Dear Prudence, and the drumming. And of course, you'll sing the harmony. So that's. You discuss amongst yourself. What do you say? Coffee talk?

[Paul Myers]

Well, I just want to say this about Paul and John. So I've been doing a lot of reading lately about the relationship between Paul and John. There's this great book called Paul and John A Love Story in Song by Ian Leslie. And it really, really explores the. To an almost homoerotic level about how intensely they cared about each other's opinion of each other. And they. Even when they were fighting, they were fighting in a lover's quarrel kind of way.

[Mike Myers]

Like quality control. That's the whole thing. Everything, you know, it was.

[Dana Carvey]

The bar was so high about quality control.

[Mike Myers]

Like, is. Is this going to be good enough to. To have the Beatles name on it? You know what I mean?

[Paul Myers]

Exactly. And so. So in the movie Let It Be, you can sort of see in the. The Get Back version, you can really see that Paul at this point, you know, Brian Epstein has passed away. Their manager George Martin isn't involved in this session. So nobody's going to push the rock up the hill. Paul looks at John and says, have you written songs?

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, yeah.

[Paul Myers]

He goes, I'm thinking about it. You know, I'm thinking about doing it. And Paul's like rubbing his eyes, going, we're doing this show because that was the thing, that live show with all new material, which is such a crazy thing to try and, and. But he says, you know, I just want you to, you know, have a voice in this. I want you. So he's so excited when they bring in I Dig a Pony and I've Got a Feeling you can see and Two of Us is a Paul song, but you can see John is feeling like it's about Linda, but it might be about him and John. You know, there's. It's kind of about the. Because they stare at each other when they're singing it. And do you really get a feeling that what Paul. What we're watching that movie is Paul pushing everybody to the point where they're mad at him. Like, George is like, stop pushing me, right? But he just wants the Beatles to have the Beatles again. And. And then within a year or two, of course they do Abbey Road. But within a year, he's up in his farm, John, Paul's up in his farm in Scotland crying his eyes out and not getting out of bed. And Linda says, you've got to do something. And now he's the guy who needs to be pushed. And he writes, maybe I'm amazed, you know, like, it's like, it's a beautiful. To me, that's a. That's a movie right there. I almost hope nobody makes it, because I.

[Dana Carvey]

Isn't there where George and Paul were kind of fighting and. Because Paul was, you know, and go like doodle, you know, whatever. But then afterwards, I think George, they're. They're kind of stopped rehearsing and he's. George is asking Paul, what do you think, Paul? You know, I think it was. It was about Here Comes the Sun or one of the Abbey Road, you know, so it's still in that moment. And I, I think I said this on your podcast, but the. Only. Because I love to discuss the Beatles, especially John and Paul's relationship. There's no other band during that era that they Ever could have been in where they were not sometimes not sure they were the, quote, best guy in the band.

[Mike Myers]

Right.

[Dana Carvey]

You know, and there's no other band with the output of both of them. They could have been. They're absolutely the best guy in the band. And so the miracle that they came together is almost divine or something.

[Paul Myers]

Yeah.

[Mike Myers]

I mean, think about While My Guitar Gently Weeps.

[David Spade]

Well, you think of George Harris stuff later, and you. God damn.

[Dana Carvey]

And you go, here comes the sun.

[Mike Myers]

If he. If he was the hey, guys, wait up guy. You know what I mean?

[David Spade]

That's. If that's the third place. Yeah.

[Mike Myers]

He would have mean like the.

[Dana Carvey]

The guy.

[Mike Myers]

In any other band in the universe, you.

[Paul Myers]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

And then you go ahead.

[Paul Myers]

The argument is. Is the argument I was gonna say that they always make about George is that he obviously had it, but he may have worked three times as hard to get it because he knew he. He couldn't just put any old thing up. Right. You know, he had to. He had to write Here Comes the Sun. He had to write something. And. And you mentioned earlier, Dana, that Paul. Paul's baseline on something. This is a guy who knows what he's playing on. Like, he knows this is a hot session. Like, so you know the part where you go something in the way she goes. You hear Paul going like. He's like. He's like, let me play. And he. But he wants to play to make the song.

[Dana Carvey]

Was he actually inventing what you call a counter melody then? At that time? He's playing bass in a way.

[Paul Myers]

Yeah. He's playing a counter.

[Dana Carvey]

But that's a very skillful thing to do and not get in the way of the main melody, but to.

[Paul Myers]

He had an intuitive sense for that stuff, but he also absorbed a lot of. You know, I know a lot about McCartney lately because I've been reading all these books, but. But he plays piano, listening to it in his home. Yeah.

[Mike Myers]

But when he plays piano, as I've seen it, he really doesn't do much with his left hand.

[David Spade]

Right.

[Paul Myers]

Isn't he kind of ironically, Lady Madonna. He moves. Lady Madonna moves the left hand. But there's three styles of McCarthy, but.

[Mike Myers]

It'S usually like single bass and then.

[Dana Carvey]

And then the melody.

[Mike Myers]

You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

[Paul Myers]

Lennon especially. Lennon especially does that on piano. So Lennon will move the right hand chords more than the bass chords. The bass is the left hand. Yeah.

[Mike Myers]

That's why it's so ironic Paul would write so many. What would be the left hand on a piano? Parts for the. For the. For the songs and I mean.

[Paul Myers]

Yeah, no, that's a good way of looking at it.

[Mike Myers]

Well, the left hand is the bass.

[Paul Myers]

David. David. I feel like we're. We're both, we're all ram riding over here. Like David. Talk about the Beatles. Like what?

[Dana Carvey]

David just like he's more of.

[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[Dana Carvey]

Yes, thank you for not feeding me the leftover lasagna for the 12th time. Well, I have questions and you Know, that's mostly what I don't feel. I don't, I just fancy myself a fan, of course. But over time, you're, that's interesting.

[Paul Myers]

I think we're all fans.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. So.

[Paul Myers]

No, no, it's true. Yeah. I, I, I could like, I just love the fact that there's so much, there's always a new take on the Beatles. There's always a new, new bit of information, you know.

[Dana Carvey]

Here's my question.

[Paul Myers]

Rabbit hole.

[Dana Carvey]

So George Harrison is, he's singing the harmonies, first of all. Blows my mind that they, John and Paul can sing harmonies and the, the guy from the neighborhood can play guitar pretty well. And they're doing this Boy, which is a staggeringly gorgeous song emotionally in every other way. And George is singing perfect harmony. Now George is playing guitar parts for years on their songs and adding Don't Bother Me. Are these songs that are kind of rudimentary compared to where he's going? Is that sort of a master's class? Because he's learning in real time that the John and Paul are going to this different place that, you know, other major chord bands aren't doing. Was, I mean, his leap forward. And it really started for me with, with While My Guitar Gently Weeps. Yeah. And then of course, the two songs that are in the top 10 of all time, Beatle Songs for Beatle Fans, Something and Here Comes the Sun. So you think that he was in a master's class with these two geniuses, but he was a genius laying in weight, kind of. How did George Evol evolve into what he. Or was it always there?

[Paul Myers]

Yeah, well, there's something that Mike might appreciate because you know how when, when we were kids, Mike, you know how Peter and Peter and I thought that we were the, we were the guys who were writing comedy. And you would be like, wait up, wait up, guys. You would go off and you'd go to the school. You'd go to the schoolyard. You go to the schoolyard or the park near our house and we'd find out, we'd hear kids laughing and go, they're laughing at Mike. Like, what's, what's that about? And, and that I think if you. Now this is what we call an analogy because so George is, George is not, you know, George is the hayweight up guy, as Mike was saying earlier. And he goes. But he also starts befriending Bob Dylan.

[Dana Carvey]

Right.

[Paul Myers]

Like, so he's going out and he's listening to album by the band and Clapton. Yeah. And those guys are accepting him, you know, as. Yeah, as a.

[Mike Myers]

As a beetle.

[Paul Myers]

And he's just absorbing. He's absorbing the Beatles, but he's also absorbing everyone around him.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Paul Myers]

And. And. And bringing it back in. And that's when he started bringing in the Indian music that he'd been listening to. Because it's like, here's what I'm finding out while you guys aren't letting me talk.

[Dana Carvey]

Yes.

[Paul Myers]

And then.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Mike Myers]

What's the song that the Chemical Brothers sampled?

[Dana Carvey]

Tomorrow Never Knows.

[Mike Myers]

Tomorrow Never Knows. Who wrote that, Paul or Dana?

[Paul Myers]

That was John.

[Mike Myers]

That was John.

[Dana Carvey]

I think it was primarily John. Yeah, I think that that's. That's his melody.

[Paul Myers]

It was a lot of tape loops, but there's a lot of times I thought that was so. I've always thought they were all discovering Stockhausen.

[Mike Myers]

I always thought that was George.

[Dana Carvey]

No, the ctar was George. The mystical element.

[Paul Myers]

Yeah, the drone. There's like a tambora or something.

[David Spade]

Well, if George is trying to play catch up, what's Ringo doing? This whole time?

[Dana Carvey]

Ringo is just being quiet. Genius. Ringo is getting paid.

[Paul Myers]

Me drums.

[David Spade]

He's getting paid by the hour. He doesn't even get anything.

[Dana Carvey]

Peace and love.

[Paul Myers]

But watch. Watch him and get back, though, man. Get back. Oh, look at that. Balloons. I love that.

[Dana Carvey]

All right, well, let's talk about Ringo for a second. Like, was he any good? Or.

[Paul Myers]

Oh, my God, was he Secret Sauce? So great.

[Mike Myers]

I think he is, but he's a.

[Paul Myers]

Drummer who listened to the song.

[Mike Myers]

But hold up, here's the other thing about.

[Paul Myers]

So in.

[Mike Myers]

In olden days of. Of comedy writing teams, there'd be somebody called a soup spoon, Right. Which is. There was a Yiddish term, but it came out to be soup spoon. And that they didn't cut in carrots, they didn't put in beef, but they just stirred the pot and made sure that all the people were contributing.

[Paul Myers]

You know what I mean?

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Mike Myers]

And I guess Sally in Dick Van Dyke show was the soup spoon.

[Paul Myers]

Okay, Sally Rogers.

[Dana Carvey]

Right.

[Mike Myers]

But I think he was the soup spoon. I think he was the guy that. That just kept it up, kept it light, and didn't let all the Liverpool attitudes have a fist fight. He's from Liverpool, but I mean, I think Liverpool people know how to not have other Liverpool people fight.

[Dana Carvey]

I don't know where. I'll ask any of you this where he. Stylistically, you know, he. If you look at she loves you and he goes to the floor Tom. He's not always traditional. He can go on a 16th hi hat and he'll do splashes, but A lot of times you think a normal drummer would do a splash and he'll just stay with the tom and the snare or even in something, he's kind of just hitting the kick drum. And there's times, anyway, adapted to the songs, and you can't imagine anyone else playing those songs.

[Paul Myers]

Best example that always comes to mind is Ticket to Ride. Any other drummer, if they hear I think I'm gonna be sad, they'd be like. But Ringo goes.

[David Spade]

Yeah, he mixes it.

[Paul Myers]

Up and come together, you know, Come together is like. Like, he's like. He's not playing straight time, but he swings. He swings and he never plays over the words. I don't know if you pay attention to that next time you're listening.

[Mike Myers]

Whereas Keith Moon would play. Would play. Keith Moon played as if he was the lead singer, right?

[Paul Myers]

Well, people would play anything that moved.

[Dana Carvey]

Like he was falling off a cliff and trying to survive.

[Mike Myers]

But he never understood why is the drummer in the back. He never understood that, right?

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Paul Myers]

But luckily, luckily, he was playing against the bass. But luckily he was playing with a bass player who overdrove the bass and a guitar player who just turned up past everybody and Roger, who was, like, swinging the mic and screaming and a beautiful scream. But, yeah, so that was a band that was built on loud, right? Built on loud. But I want to stick with Ringo for a second. I just want to say that the thing I love about Ringo is you see it in Get Back and when he's the song. Get Back.

[David Spade]

Right, yeah.

[Paul Myers]

Which is. We all know that's a beautiful moment where Paul's just playing the rhythm guitar on the bass and he's saying, I've got something in the jojo. And then Ringo's first attempt at it is just playing, like. And all of a sudden it's. And then you recognize the military shuffle that becomes like, oh, now it's Get Back. And that moment watching Ringo look out into space, across the universe, if you will. And he's listening, and he's listening. That's something you don't get from some of these, you know, like, you know, Fred Armisen has that character who does the drum tech.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. Of all.

[Paul Myers]

How to dominate. How to dominate the jam. That's the. That's his catchphrases. I will teach you how to dominate the jam. Now, anyone who knows this, like, you don't want to be dominating people. You want to be listening and playing. And that's the beautiful thing about Ringo. He was not dominating, he was helping. And he laid back when he needed to lay back, you know, a day in the life is almost hardly any drums in the day in life, except.

[Mike Myers]

Like, it's like you called it a bag of marbles being dropped on the kit. That's.

[Dana Carvey]

What.

[Paul Myers]

Was that you? Yeah, it wasn't me. No. Some people describe it as falling down the stairs. Falling down the stairs.

[David Spade]

Is that. I read the news today. Oh, boy. And he goes, yeah, that's the coolest.

[Paul Myers]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. A little. Yeah, it's a little like. It's. It's almost to say, I'm Ringo. I'm still here. You know, it's so cool.

[Dana Carvey]

Loose toms are underrated, you know, Ringo didn't always feel a need to go, you know, and he could. It was always in the in with the song.

[Mike Myers]

What do they call.

[Paul Myers]

You're a drummer. Dana. Right.

[Mike Myers]

You're a little bit Pat Boone.

[Paul Myers]

Debbie Boone. Right.

[Mike Myers]

You've heard that, right?

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, yeah, that's a Debbie Boone. White, Black, White.

[Paul Myers]

And then Stuart Copeland has one for Sting, but I can't say it on most television shows.

[Dana Carvey]

It must be X rated. This is a podcast.

[Paul Myers]

Yeah. He wrote on his toms. He wrote. I can say this. I mean, I'm sure there's no censorship here, but it was F. F off UC on his 4 toms. So. So when he was mad at Sting, he'd hear, like, I don't know.

[Dana Carvey]

Stuart will verify that they were at some event in Malibu, which I didn't go to, but I think Kevin Deane told me that it was Ringo and Stuart Copeland together hanging out.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

And I just thought, two of the best. Yeah. Because if you listen to synchronicity 2, I guess, or something, it's just a. It's brilliant. I mean, that. Those albums. The Police is just sh. Bright and shiny. And of course, Sting, but Roxanne's still.

[Paul Myers]

So this is the.

[Mike Myers]

One of the things that we were talking before.

[Dana Carvey]

I. I'm.

[Mike Myers]

I don't have the musicologist thing that you guys have more of, but I have a. I love a good vibe. You know what I mean? And the thing about the Beatles is so no matter what I've done or will ever do in my life, I aspire to the. The pure excitement that is listening to the Beatles. And. And I think there's other things, too, that I've heard that give me excitement. Like London calling gives me pure excited.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, boy.

[Mike Myers]

About Town by the Jam. Jimi Hendrix, you know, like on.

[Dana Carvey]

Absolutely.

[Mike Myers]

But there's one Jimi Hendrix that. Oh, hey, hey, Joe, right?

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Mike Myers]

That's that's what it's called, right? Because I often get the titles wrong.

[Paul Myers]

Yeah.

[Mike Myers]

Anyways, that song, just the Shuffle up, it's just like pure excitement.

[David Spade]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

I love that.

[Paul Myers]

Well, how about on Purple Haze? Purple Haze, when there's that vibrant slap. So.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, no one ever made the guitar sound like that. I guess he had really heavy hands and he played upside down. But how he got that sound.

[Paul Myers]

Big teeth and big teeth. Yeah.

[Mike Myers]

But it's also those chords that. Those crazy chords.

[Dana Carvey]

Rhythm guitar player, too.

[Paul Myers]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

But, you know, we came.

[Mike Myers]

Excitement. That's what I'm talking about. There are things that are just pure excitement. And Paul used to have a term called. Paul used to call it the pop shivers. You know where you get like that?

[Paul Myers]

Yeah, yeah. You get a tingle. It's a single pop shiver. You get a tingle when a chord changes. When a chord changes from one to another.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Paul Myers]

And you're like, whoa.

[Dana Carvey]

We had one of the ones that my wife and I had. We were just going to a movie, Secret Policeman's Other Ball. We weren't aware of Sting. We just saw a guy come out, really cool looking, the dye, blonde hair. He's just. With his guitar and he sings and plays Roxanne. And we both went, holy shit.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Who the fuck is that? You know. So, yeah, Sting was quite a. In the Clash. I always think of the Clash or. I don't know who else. The Ramones. Because you at your formative years was sort of the beginning of punk. And I guess the Clash was your favorite band when you were like 15.

[Mike Myers]

So they're still. I mean, the Beatles are my favorite because they're whatever, but because they have too much. Then it's the Clash. Because there's just something that's. There's another thing with the Clash is they're cool. Do you know what I mean? Like, just.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, London Calling. Whenever that comes on, I'm on XM radio and that comes on. I never switch it. So that vibe of that is heavy. London. I mean, it's just. It's. It's an army. I. I don't know what the lyrics are about, but it's. It's.

[Paul Myers]

It's not just a song. It's a move, it's a movement.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. And it's perfect for that time.

[Paul Myers]

But that's the way that. Yeah. Joe Strummer, like London Calling. You know, it's like. It's in. It's in. It's like. It's not casual.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. It's like a cry for that ring.

[Paul Myers]

Of the transient thing.

[Dana Carvey]

The ice age is coming.

[Paul Myers]

The sun's. Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

So anyway, we.

[David Spade]

We.

[Dana Carvey]

Unfortunately, we could do this for two days straight, but we kind of have to wrap it up. Any last words? Paul Myers, again, let's. Let's take some time off. We would love to do this as a regular thing because I think people will love it and I love it. And I think that we could fill many more hours, more bands to delve into. Also Led Zeppelin.

[Paul Myers]

That's true, too. Led Zeppelin. We could talk about Zeppelin. We can also talk about Wings, specifically. Yeah, that's a whole other.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, back to the egg. Just certain solo Paul songs are brilliant. Of course, you know, we could break down just the song. People say I'm crazy doing what I'm doing. That's just those lyrics of that song. It's just like, can I, can I.

[Paul Myers]

Can I say that one? One stupid. Like, almost a plug for my book again. John Candy, which. Which beetle did John Candy work with?

[Dana Carvey]

George? No.

[David Spade]

Yes.

[Dana Carvey]

I just.

[David Spade]

Yes.

[Mike Myers]

Was it handmade films?

[Paul Myers]

There's a video for the. The Wilbury Twist. There's a song by the Wilburies. Traveling Wilbur is called the Wilbury Twist. And John and John Candy, I think he was filming Brewster's Millions at the time and they had him come by the studio and just do a little. A little.

[Dana Carvey]

Okay, people curious. So you'll see that go on Amazon under books. Paul Myers, John Candy, A life in comedy. Download it and enjoy it and we'll do this again. It was so much fun.

[David Spade]

Hey, guys, if you're loving this podcast, which you are, be sure to click follow on your favorite podcast app, give us review 5 star rating and maybe even share an episode that you've loved with a friend.

[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

Fly on the Wall is presented by Odyssey, an executive produced by Dana Carvey and David Spade, Heather Santoro and Greg Holtzman, Maddie Sprung Kaiser and Leah Reese Dennis of Odyssey.

[Dana Carvey]

Our senior producer is Greg Holtzman and the show is produced and edited by.

[David Spade]

Phil Sweet, tech booking by Cultivated Entertainment.

[Dana Carvey]

Special thanks to Patrick Fogarty, Evan Cox, Maura Curran, Melissa Wester, Hillary Schuff, Eric Donnelly, Colin Gaynor, Sean Cherry, Kirk Courtney and Lauren Vieira.

[David Spade]

Reach out with us. Any questions be asked and answered on the show? You can email [e-mail] that's a U-A C-Y dot com.