Rainn Wilson Is Out Of Hot “Office” Takes

Summary

Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey & David Spade

Episode: Rainn Wilson Is Out Of Hot “Office” Takes
Date: September 25, 2025

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Episode Overview

This lively and fast-paced episode features Rainn Wilson—best known for his role as Dwight Schrute on "The Office"—joining hosts Dana Carvey and David Spade for a relaxed, joke-packed in-studio conversation. The trio riff on Rainn’s new film "Code 3," the legacy and behind-the-scenes realities of "The Office," the pitfalls of celebrity misquotes, and Rainn’s personal passion for spirituality and his podcast "Soul Boom." Mixed with classic Carvey/Spade banter, impression battles, and debates on hair, fame, and even the DMV, the episode is a blend of comedy, career anecdotes, and genuine insights into Hollywood and personal growth.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Rainn Wilson's Current Projects and Code 3

• Code 3 Movie:
  • Rainn is currently promoting his new movie "Code 3," a comedic yet poignant look at the lives of overworked paramedics.
    • "It's about 24 hours from hell in the life of these burnt out paramedics. Very funny... but also kind of looking at the underbelly of the American healthcare system." – Rainn (12:16)
  • The movie is structured over one day with Rainn’s character alongside a rookie (Amy Carrero) and co-star Lil Rel Howery.
  • Emphasis placed on the real-life struggles of paramedics—burnout, low pay, dangerous conditions, and the necessity of dark humor for survival.
  • "They're so underpaid, you can't even believe... they're literally making somewhere like in the 20, $25 an hour, ultimately. And it's like Starbucks rate, essentially." – Rainn (14:07)
  • Dana shares a real paramedic's gallows humor (Queen's "Another One Bites the Dust") as a coping mechanism (13:09).

2. Inside "The Office": Dwight, Executives, and Clickbait Culture

• Origins of Dwight’s Haircut:
  • Rainn admits he lifted the “worst possible haircut” idea from Mackenzie Crook (Gareth on the UK "Office"):
    • "I just lifted that from him. Like, let's design the worst possible haircut for me. I was not thinking about wearing that haircut for nine seasons..." – Rainn (33:12)
• TV Executives & Greenlighting:
  • Credit given to Kevin Reilly, an exec who championed "The Office" when few others believed in it, cobbling budgets to keep the series alive (05:40).
• Misinformation & Clickbait Headlines:
  • Rainn recounts how nuanced podcast comments about the show’s edginess are taken wildly out of context by clickbait sites:
    • "It was front page like Rainn Wilson: The Office was racist. Exclamation point. Giant clickbait kind of thing." – Rainn (24:26)
  • Discusses the nuance of satire (e.g., Michael Scott's clueless offensiveness) and audience misinterpretation.
    • "If you have the most clueless, unselfconscious person... you can get away with everyone. As long as you cut to the reactions of everyone going, ‘Oh my god’, he can say the most offensive shit known to man. It's a brilliant comic setup." – Rainn (49:16)
• Legacy & Streaming Culture:
  • “The Office”’s enduring appeal post-broadcast, boosted by streaming:
    • "There was a couple years there. No one was thinking about at the Office. And the streaming brought it back. And there's something about it that's so evergreen." – Rainn (51:05)
• Career Highs and Lows:
  • After early film roles ("Galaxy Quest," "Almost Famous"), Rainn spent a year and a half barely working, teaching acting to international students at a “second rate” studio (19:06).
  • Both Rainn and Carvey relate to tabloid distortions and public misunderstanding around celebrity and career fulfillment (29:15).

3. Comedy Chemistry & Impression Showcases

• Dana flexes his arsenal of impressions (Arnold Schwarzenegger, Trump, George Will, Seinfeld), prompting Rainn’s awe:
  • "This is a front row seat to watch Dana Carvey do impressions. I’m three and a half feet away from him. This is a joy, I'm so tingly..." – Rainn (21:42)
• Meta moments as the trio jokes about “hot takes” and why Rainn is “out” of them.
  • "I don't have any hot take. I'm out of hot takes. I really am." – Rainn (36:00)
• Playful bits about celebrity hair, enduring puns on Rainn’s name, and riffing on sitcom clichés.

4. Rainn’s Soul Boom Podcast, Spirituality, and Facing Mortality

• On Soul Boom:
  • Rainn outlines his other big project—a podcast focused on spirituality, mental health, and philosophy:
    • "Soul Boom is a podcast that I do that's about spirituality, mental health, philosophy, metaphysics. But it's also funny..." – Rainn (40:44)
• Openness About Personal Struggles:
  • He’s candid about needing spirituality to overcome addiction and mental health issues.
    • "I'm a colossal fuck up. I had a lot of mental health problems. I have a lot of addiction problems and I needed spirituality to kind of save my ass..." – Rainn (40:31)
• Dialogues on Mortality:
  • Rainn recounts preparing his father's body for burial, which profoundly affected his views on mortality and the soul.
    • "These are just corporeal vessels that carry our essence. This was not him. This was just a shell." – Rainn (42:36)
  • He shares the continued sense of a relationship with his late father—a topic met with respect from both hosts.

5. The Reality of Fame, Rumors, and Industry Absurdity

• The trio discusses enduring public misconceptions, false headlines, oversimplification of quotes, and the odd ways tabloids try to generate headlines (29:15, 31:26).
• The psychological grind of ensemble TV (fear of being sidelined, imposter syndrome) is a point of empathy between Spade, Carvey, and Rainn (27:11).

6. Pop Culture Nostalgia: SNL, Star Trek, Impressions

• Nostalgic reflections on SNL’s political sketches, the evolutions (and gripes) about current SNL, and shared connections with writers like Greg Daniels (snl and "The Office") (33:56, 34:07).
• The group discusses favorite shows like "Star Trek: The Next Generation," the show’s optimistic vision, and the prescience of its takes on technology and society (53:41, 55:30).
• Carvey and Spade riff on Jerry Seinfeld’s style and hypothetical bits (“Paperclips. Why?”) (52:34).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the exhaustion and resilience of paramedics:

  • "They get shot at, they get vomited on, they get needle sticks... they're under—I mean, these are real American heroes. But... they have a gallows humor, man." — Rainn (14:20)

• On fame and the misinformation machine:

  • "It's like, 'Rainn Wilson miserable on the set of The Office.'... I was not miserable on the side of the Office. I had some struggles with early fame and mental health." — Rainn (25:19)

• On clickbait headlines:

  • "It was front page like Rainn Wilson: The Office was racist. Exclamation point. Giant clickbait kind of thing." — Rainn (24:26)

• On why 'The Office' still works:

  • "It doesn't feel dated at all. You watch some other stuff and it just feels like, wow, that looks like 1994 right there on my TV set." — Rainn (51:26)

• On spirituality and coping with death:

  • "I have a dialogue with my father that I feel is very strong... it's not like I hear him going, 'rain, pick up your socks'... but there's some conversations, presence." — Rainn (42:51)

• On being out of “hot takes”:

  • "I don't have a hot take on the Officer SNL. I don't have any hot take. I'm out of hot takes. I really am." — Rainn (36:00)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [12:10] – Rainn on "Code 3" and the real-life burnout facing paramedics
• [14:44] – The gallows humor paramedics use to handle constant trauma
• [19:06] – Rainn’s year and a half without acting work post-"Almost Famous" and "Galaxy Quest"
• [24:26] – The dangers of clickbait culture and being misquoted on podcasts
• [33:12] – Rainn reveals the infamous Dwight Schrute haircut’s origin
• [40:31] – Rainn’s personal journey with spirituality and mental health
• [42:36] – Rainn’s reflections on his father's death and the meaning of the body/soul
• [49:16] – The satire at the heart of Michael Scott's cluelessness
• [51:05] – How streaming gave “The Office” a new life after initial decline
• [53:41] – Nostalgic discussion of "Star Trek: Next Generation" and its lasting lessons

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Additional Highlights & Running Jokes

• Hair Jokes: Rainn mocks the hosts’ need for haircuts, inspiring riffs on fake haircare products like “Who’ll Stop the Rain” (09:12).
• Impression Slam: Dana and David unleash impressions (Arnold Schwarzenegger, Trump, Seinfeld...), while Rainn joins the fun.
• Rainn’s name: “Let it Rain,” “Who’ll Stop the Rain,” and other puns recur throughout.
• DMV Hot Take: Rainn argues the DMV is "actually really good at their job"—his “hottest” remaining hot take (36:11).
• Meta Podcasting Bits: The trio jokes about the mechanics of podcast recording, being “out of hot takes,” doing “fake sponsors,” and even launching a spinoff podcast ("Rain and Me") (56:22).

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Tone & Style

The episode is high-energy, off-the-cuff, and self-aware. It oscillates between sincere storytelling, Hollywood war stories, and riffing improvisational comedy. Rainn is open, funny, and occasionally philosophical, while Dana and David cultivate chaos and keep the banter rolling.

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Summary Takeaway

Rainn Wilson’s visit underscores how, even amid relentless typecasting, viral controversy, and the noise of clickbait culture, artists can find meaning and reinvention through comedy, honest conversation, and a willingness to explore spiritual questions. And, as the hosts make clear, there’s nothing more healing than a good impression, a well-timed reaction shot, or a story about a truly tragic haircut.

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Transcript

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[Rainn Wilson]

Rain. What's going on? What's going on these days? Cuz here's what I'm about to say. Are you ready? Here goes. I'm going to say, sit down, fasten your seat belt.

[Dana Carvey]

Here's the deal.

[Rainn Wilson]

It was front page. Like Rainn Wilson. The office was racist, exclamation point, giant clickbait kind of thing.

[David Spade]

I baited and I clicked.

[Rainn Wilson]

You went. You went for it.

[David Spade]

Oh, yeah. I said, war. Feel the rain on your pod. Rainn Wilson. That's a song.

[Dana Carvey]

Rain Wilson. Rain. I'm doing. I'm doing the police. Oh, don't let it rain. I actually made a pun when our guest Rainn Wilson, who was a blast, came into the studio. I can't remember. I said, let it rain. Or I don't know. He's heard it all.

[David Spade]

You know, we tried to give him some curve balls, but he's heard it all. So we had him in studio, which is rare. We have a couple coming up in studio. Yeah, we had fun with Rain. Good dude. We talked about Dwight's haircut on the Office.

[Dana Carvey]

And a lot of office stuff, how that got made and what. What? The rocket ship that he got on with that.

[David Spade]

Yeah, we.

[Dana Carvey]

And his career, where he came from. You know, it's really an interesting story.

[David Spade]

It always, always is different than. We didn't focus on the Office. That was actually. We sort of came. Swung back to that. But he's got a lot of different things to talk about. We won't spoil it. We had a great time.

[Dana Carvey]

Code 3 movie coming out theaters and. And that'll be, you know, it's in movies now.

[David Spade]

I believe in movies now.

[Dana Carvey]

It's a movie now and it'll be in theaters. When it's a movie then.

[David Spade]

So Code three, Rainn Wilson. And here he is.

[Dana Carvey]

This is no pressure. You can eat, you can do whatever you want.

[Rainn Wilson]

I'm not gonna eat in a podcast.

[Dana Carvey]

We have no plan, no ideas.

[David Spade]

Yeah, no plan, huh?

[Rainn Wilson]

Oh, whoa.

[David Spade]

Is that what they said? No plan.

[Rainn Wilson]

NBC. Dwight spin off Axed. Let's start with that one.

[David Spade]

Did you say axed?

[Rainn Wilson]

Well, yeah, because it was axed.

[David Spade]

Oh, okay. Was there one?

[Dana Carvey]

Well, they.

[Rainn Wilson]

Was a planned one. It was a backdoor pilot. We'll get into it.

[David Spade]

It's.

[Rainn Wilson]

It's delicious.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, good. Can we bury anybody?

[Rainn Wilson]

Young Seahawks fan?

[Dana Carvey]

You got any Warren Littlefield stuff or.

[David Spade]

You know Warren Littlefield?

[Dana Carvey]

No, I don't know.

[Rainn Wilson]

I don't think I ever met.

[David Spade]

Was he before he was gone?

[Rainn Wilson]

Yeah, he was gone at that.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, he wooed me for to do the Letterman thing and gave me a. A poster or the Capitol Records Meet the Beatles. He got it from signed.

[David Spade]

You weren't ready for that this fast.

[Rainn Wilson]

Wow.

[Dana Carvey]

Rain is done now.

[David Spade]

I met with Brandon Tartar sauce Who was before him? Do you remember Brandon Tartakoff?

[Dana Carvey]

It could have been Tarsa, I think it was Tarkov, but it could have been tartar sauce.

[Rainn Wilson]

We had. Jeff Zucker was our, was our.

[Dana Carvey]

All right.

[Rainn Wilson]

Then he left and then there was the other guy and I can't remember his name, but he had red hair and he helped produce Six Feet under, so I should know his name.

[Dana Carvey]

Did anybody kind of get out in front of the office once it became a smash and kind of like. Well, you know, it was my idea and I.

[Rainn Wilson]

There was a guy, Kevin Riley, who's still out there and he was the champion and he, I mean, he single handedly kept our show on the air when no one believed in it. I don't know why, why, but he just, he's the one who like squirreled away some money for. Oh, we'll do five or six episodes here and we'll do a two or three and I got your money for one more script and like, oh, good. He was like doing the, the wheeling.

[Dana Carvey]

And did he get backhand?

[Rainn Wilson]

No, because they're studio executives.

[Dana Carvey]

I know. I was hoping. Because he sounds like the hero. Yeah.

[Rainn Wilson]

Do you know how. Do you even know how this works?

[Dana Carvey]

No.

[David Spade]

Kevin Riley worked at Brillstein forever. Is that true?

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, yeah.

[David Spade]

He's worked on managers for a while and then he was an executive.

[Dana Carvey]

Managers become executives. Right.

[Rainn Wilson]

It's very like, like Brad Gray.

[David Spade]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

That's a story.

[David Spade]

That is exactly.

[Rainn Wilson]

Oh, you have some stories there. You lit up like a little Christmas tree.

[David Spade]

Too many stories. Go ahead.

[Dana Carvey]

Too many stories. No, he was my manager.

[Rainn Wilson]

Oh, he was.

[Dana Carvey]

Okay. Yeah, yeah. It was just the, the in a general sense.

[David Spade]

Go ahead.

[Dana Carvey]

Once the person who's representing you also becomes a producer on the show, then there's a, just an intrinsic conflict of interest. It's like, you know, the Fox saying, I could go out of the hen house. I mean, come on, man, you're not going to eat them, are you?

[Rainn Wilson]

But the idea, the idea is that they're going to also represent your best interests and produce the idea.

[Dana Carvey]

Right. There's just like, you get. I'll give. Do I give it this money to the client or I give it to myself? I'm the, you know, it's, it's a little tricky. Let's put it that way we can go deep into muddy murky.

[Rainn Wilson]

What was that smoothie that you were eating there? Because that looks like.

[David Spade]

Thanks. It's our lawnmower threw up.

[Dana Carvey]

We might as well plug it.

[David Spade]

Sponsored by Barf it's just a green drink of.

[Dana Carvey]

Okay.

[David Spade]

We're not going to vegetables. No, it's good. It's not.

[Dana Carvey]

Do you read ads on your podcast?

[Rainn Wilson]

I do read ads on. What's your biggest sponsor? Our biggest sponsor for Soul Boom is this wonderful nonprofit called Fetzer.

[David Spade]

We don't have that.

[Rainn Wilson]

And they, they've been amazing because like the conversations that we're having about like spirituality and mental health and kind of making the world a better place and blah, blah, blah, like that's there. It's like their whole thing and they're like, they found Soul Boom and they're like, oh my God. This is. We love. We want to support this. And what's their product? There's no product. They're just this nonprofit family foundation, non profit.

[Dana Carvey]

Where do they get the money to pay you from?

[Rainn Wilson]

From a dead rich guy who set up a foundation.

[Dana Carvey]

You sure he's dead?

[Rainn Wilson]

He used to own the Detroit Tigers. I think his name is Fetzer. Like Wally Fetzer or. I don't know.

[Dana Carvey]

Sounds familiar.

[David Spade]

We have a lot of for profits that are investing that put ads on. Right.

[Rainn Wilson]

Meundies. Let me guess. Me undies. Quint.

[David Spade]

Oh, me undies. I don't think we have.

[Dana Carvey]

We've done quints. We've done.

[David Spade]

We've done quint.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, we've done quints.

[David Spade]

Like we have five hour energy.

[Rainn Wilson]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Six hour energy is coming out.

[David Spade]

Seven and a half hour energy.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Rainn Wilson]

All right.

[David Spade]

That's kind of hush hush.

[Dana Carvey]

I have no energy.com does donations, right?

[David Spade]

There's one called Wake Me the Up.

[Rainn Wilson]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Our production company for this is Fly by the Seat of Our Pants. Yeah, Dot com.

[Rainn Wilson]

You guys should get sponsored by Supercuts because you both need haircuts.

[Dana Carvey]

No, I agree. Can I tell you my problem?

[David Spade]

Yeah, please.

[Dana Carvey]

Yes, please. I don't have great hair. I'm not gonna say I don't. And I.

[Rainn Wilson]

You have a full luxurious head of hair.

[Dana Carvey]

There's a lot of backstory to this whole thing. This is two day hair. Don't tell anyone, but I've moved to northern central California. The woman who cuts my hair is very good. Chris Rios lives down here. So I go periods of time where I don't get a haircut. But I agree with your premise that we both need haircuts.

[David Spade]

David. Celebrities, they're just like us. They have hair problems.

[Dana Carvey]

You should. You should have a hair product called who, Who. Who'll stop the Rain? And it should be just some sort of hair product.

[David Spade]

I don't know if you should.

[Rainn Wilson]

Is this A comedy podcast.

[David Spade]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Dana Carvey]

I have a question for you.

[David Spade]

Who's looking at the camera when you say that?

[Dana Carvey]

He's going straight to the lens. He never.

[David Spade]

That's the old office move. He did it and it works.

[Dana Carvey]

He went. He did office on us.

[Rainn Wilson]

That's a. I'm ask myself some questions. Rain. What's going on? What's going on these days? Well, I'm promoting this new movie, Code 3, that no one is going to see, but eventually they'll. They'll watch it on streaming and what.

[Dana Carvey]

Was it like there?

[David Spade]

We will get. We're getting in that. We're, we're just. This is just.

[Dana Carvey]

Why don't we hit a little Code three?

[David Spade]

Yeah, let's hit some code three.

[Dana Carvey]

Let's hit three. No, but I like to do it up front.

[Rainn Wilson]

Is this your handwriting?

[Dana Carvey]

I think in bubbles. Are you more.

[David Spade]

This is a one year old.

[Dana Carvey]

I need just little. I can picture that page in my head, you know, that's why I.

[Rainn Wilson]

There's a lot of. There's a lot of good questions on here.

[Dana Carvey]

I know.

[Rainn Wilson]

Maybe we should.

[Dana Carvey]

We'll get to one.

[Rainn Wilson]

Maybe you should ask one.

[Dana Carvey]

Where's my camera?

[Rainn Wilson]

I would love to hear more about.

[Dana Carvey]

Chris Rios, your hairdresser.

[David Spade]

And you remember him. That's great.

[Rainn Wilson]

And when you get down from central California down to see Chris Rios for your haircut, do you usually fly or drive or how does that work? Is Chris located in Beverly Hills?

[Dana Carvey]

Vertical. I drive and I drive by where you live, which will stay undisclosed.

[Rainn Wilson]

It's Ventura County. I say that. It's a vast county.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. But I drive by and I do honk and I yell, who'll stop the rain? And I've never heard a response.

[David Spade]

When you run the office, I have some hard hitting questions. Have you met Steve Carell?

[Dana Carvey]

What's his net worth at this point?

[David Spade]

Yeah, ballpark.

[Dana Carvey]

It's vast and he would hate that question. He really would because he's very Midwestern.

[Rainn Wilson]

Yes.

[Dana Carvey]

Very sweet. But can we talk about Code three for just a minute? I want to get it in and then get it.

[Rainn Wilson]

We'll get in and out of Code.

[Dana Carvey]

Three, but let's do a quick Code three.

[Rainn Wilson]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Code three.

[Rainn Wilson]

Yes. Code three is the greatest movie ever made. It actually is a quite good movie. And we've got 97% on rotten tomatoes right now from the audiences.

[David Spade]

I have that total from all 97%.

[Dana Carvey]

We've got 0.3% for this podcast.

[Rainn Wilson]

Yeah. But it's about 24 hours from hell and the life of these burnt out paramedics is very funny Little World Howery co stars. It's kind of looking at the underbelly of the American healthcare system, but it's also a lot of fun and kind of a popcorn fun movie. And yeah, I'm really happy with it.

[David Spade]

So it's all one day. I kind of like that.

[Rainn Wilson]

It's essentially, it's kind of like the pit. Like it's all just like really condensed. One last. It's my last shift and it's this newcomer played by Amy Carrero. It's her first shift and they kind of dovetail. You're driving around, driving around LA in the middle of the night and answering some crazy calls and trying to figure out the meaning of life along the way.

[Dana Carvey]

Can I tell you a True, true quick 30 second story about a paramedic? And I wonder if this kind of sensibility is in your movie. So he's a paramedic and he said him and his partner, they would go to these scenes where someone's lost a layer, you know, it's horrific. And then when they would leave for themselves, they would put on Queen Song Another One Bites the Dust just to alleviate the stress for whatever reason. Another One Bites the Dust. You know, I don't. So is there stuff like that? How do paramedics deal with that in your movie? The heaviness of it and the stress of it and the intensity.

[Rainn Wilson]

Well, that's what I really learned doing this movie was like this population and we got to hang out with them, train with them. We did a ride along in South Central with the fire department. Like they're so colossally burned out, so much is asked of them. They're so underpaid, you can't even believe.

[Dana Carvey]

Like literally what they make.

[Rainn Wilson]

They literally, they're literally making somewhere like in the 20, $25 an hour, ultimately. And it's like kind of Starbucks rate, essentially.

[David Spade]

They go into dangerous situations too.

[Dana Carvey]

Absolutely.

[David Spade]

All the time.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Rainn Wilson]

They get shot at, they get vomited on, they get needle sticks.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Rainn Wilson]

They get blood. I mean. And you know, they're going to some really dangerous neighborhoods and patients get mad at them, doctors get mad at them, cops get mad at them. They're under. I mean, these are real American heroes. But going to the Another One Bites the Dust, they have a gallows humor, man.

[Dana Carvey]

Okay, so that is.

[Rainn Wilson]

They have a dark, dark humor which you've got to have to survive.

[David Spade]

Well, it must be so heavy, intense and traumatic just to be on that. And you're watching it every day. And people in pain also. A lot of people fight back and they're getting punched. People. And it's like I see them on cop shows like, oh, these guys have got the roughest job.

[Rainn Wilson]

They. They really do.

[David Spade]

But it sounds fun. I mean this sounds like a fun thing to do. 24 hours or whatever. A tight amount of time. Your last day, her first day. And little rel is very funny. And that's just something I haven't seen a lot. So that's a good area.

[Rainn Wilson]

Yeah. Yeah. Audiences are really are really digging it when you know. Yeah. So thanks.

[Dana Carvey]

Try not to smile. Yeah.

[David Spade]

He likes it. What else staying on your list?

[Dana Carvey]

I've heard your. I've heard. I read some things. You're great in the movie is what I read. I haven't seen the movie, but okay. So that's kind of cool.

[Rainn Wilson]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

And what did you know how to do this? I, you know, I, I do good acting. Yeah.

[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

You got that.

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[Dana Carvey]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

Do you you were in this, One of my old favorites, Galaxy Quest. Was that your first thing?

[Rainn Wilson]

That was my very first movie.

[David Spade]

Galaxy Quest was really funny. I don't know if everyone understands how funny that was. You saw it, I saw you got to be in that. And did you. You read it and said, this thing's funny. You can tell right away this was.

[Rainn Wilson]

Crazy because I did nothing but theater in New York for like 10 years. And I came out to LA in 1999 and for some reason I got cast in two movies in the same summer, Galaxy Quest and Almost Famous. Those were my first two movies. Two of like the greatest movies ever made. I had small roles in them, but I was like, oh my God, I'm set. I'm going to be a movie star. And I promptly, like, didn't work for a year and a half.

[David Spade]

Promptly.

[Dana Carvey]

What did you do when you weren't working for an hour and a half? Did you just had enough money saved? Scrambles get on a how poor you know I was.

[Rainn Wilson]

So you know what I did? I'm so glad you asked that question, because my friend was teaching acting classes in Hollywood at, like, the world's worst acting studio. And it was all acting students from, like, all over the world. Because people don't know this in Hollywood. Like, people come from Sweden and Korea and Mongolia and, you know, Pakistan to go be actors. Like on American TV shows. They have very thick accents, God bless them, but they take acting classes. And so I taught acting at literally Hollywood and Vine in a studio, and they would hand out. I didn't get to choose the scenes. They would do scenes from American TV shows to foreign students. So I remember directing this scene. I'm not even making this up. I'm not even making this up. I directed a scene from Cagney and Lacy starring a woman, a Japanese woman.

[David Spade]

Okay, here we go.

[Rainn Wilson]

And a Swedish woman.

[David Spade]

Please act it out.

[Rainn Wilson]

Playing Cagney and Lacy. I'm not going to do the Japanese.

[Dana Carvey]

Sense, but you could do the Swedish.

[Rainn Wilson]

We can Imagine that. But, yeah, she was like, why is.

[David Spade]

The Swedish not offensive?

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, because northern Europeans, I don't know. That's.

[Rainn Wilson]

That's one of my jobs.

[David Spade]

Do the Japanese one day.

[Rainn Wilson]

I'm Norwegian, I get to make fun of Scandinavians. But she was like. She was like, oh, oh, Cagney, you embarrassed me in front of the whole, you know, in front of the whole department and the. And you know, Lucas is so mad at me, I don't know what to do. And then the other person responds and then. And trying to keep a straight face to give them like.

[David Spade]

But they're trying.

[Rainn Wilson]

So what's your intention?

[David Spade]

They're trying so hard and they're trying.

[Rainn Wilson]

So hard and they want to be discovered and they've come to Hollywood to find. Follow their dream of being an actor. And they're at this second rate studio.

[Dana Carvey]

This. That's so fun.

[Rainn Wilson]

That was what I was doing to pay the bills after I had done Galaxy Nicely.

[Dana Carvey]

You have crossed so many lines today. I'm worried about you. I don't know, is that a Norwegian or Swedish?

[Rainn Wilson]

That was good. That was like Swedish Chef.

[David Spade]

Swedish Chef.

[Dana Carvey]

It's a little bit of Arnold is sneaking in there.

[Rainn Wilson]

Every time I do a European, Arnold slips.

[Dana Carvey]

Arnold. Arnold just covers all of.

[Rainn Wilson]

Arnold slips into a lot of things.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

Let's look at a clip.

[Dana Carvey]

Let me tell you.

[David Spade]

Where's the man?

[Dana Carvey]

Let me tell you. He always asks. He always. That's. He's like Trump in that way. Let me tell you something. I'm gonna tell you something. But first, let me ask you to. Let me tell you something because I want you to. Let me tell you something.

[David Spade]

I'm gonna ask you something that I'll tell you.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. Then I tell you. And then I ask you again if I could tell you something.

[Rainn Wilson]

You guys, this is a front row seat to watch Dana Carvey do impressions. I'm three and a half feet away from him. This is a joy I'm so tingly with. Because right now, my God, that's so flattering.

[Dana Carvey]

And you're right to the camera. I love that you're really.

[David Spade]

I love it.

[Dana Carvey]

I mean. And it's great.

[Rainn Wilson]

Can you push in a little bit?

[Dana Carvey]

Is this the training for the office?

[Rainn Wilson]

So you can push in in post, right?

[Dana Carvey]

8K?

[David Spade]

Yeah, we'll take care of you.

[Rainn Wilson]

Yeah. 8K.

[Dana Carvey]

8K.

[Rainn Wilson]

Oh, you get right up in here.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, no. But they Download it in 1080p. Why do you think this mic is covering my neck? I'm not a fool. All my age is here because I'm Irish, Norwegian, Scottish, grew up in California. Do the math. Let me tell you something.

[Rainn Wilson]

I'm going to tell you what this. If you listen to me now and listen to me good.

[Dana Carvey]

Hear me now, believe me later. Let me tell you something, cuz here's.

[Rainn Wilson]

What I'm about to say. Are you ready? Here it goes. I'm going to say, sit down, fasten your seat belt.

[Dana Carvey]

Here's the deal.

[David Spade]

Here's a good trick. When Arnold, I don't do really Arnold, but when, when they would ask about anything personal, he would answer his own answers because he's on camera so they can't use. They go, well now what happened with that maid? He goes, this movie is action packed. And then they go, what? And they go, he's only giving quotes they can use about the movie. So he just never answers.

[Dana Carvey]

No, the truth of Arnold, in which my brother and I have three brothers, we have this catchphrase of. With each other, like what would Arnold do? Because he can't go negative. He literally can't go negative. A bit like Trump not to get in that. They can't. You know, it's always promoting, always. So you had a movie, the Last Action Hero that didn't do too well. He's on, you know, NBC Today or something, Matt Lauer or whatever. So you'd had trouble. Now the truth is the people are loving the movie and all over the world the people enjoy. Yeah, but the box Office. Yeah, everybody loves it and it's doing very well and all these things and this and that. So anyway, yeah, that's my Arnold section.

[David Spade]

No, it's a good way to promote because we'll be positive.

[Rainn Wilson]

Well, it's funny, I kind of. I still haven't learned my lesson. I did a podcast in New York just a week or two ago and the guy was very, just smart, wonderful, nuanced conversations, like could you make the Office in today's kind of more PC landscape? And I talked about it in a very kind of nuanced fashion, like, well, that's a tough one. We had some episodes where we've got lead characters that are clueless, right? They can be racist, they can be sexist. And you know, there's, you know, the episode where we, you know, marked on the. They marked on the Asian women to like tell them apart. There's stuff like that that's really like pushing the envelope but that's where there's a great source of comedy. Blah, blah, blah. It was front page like Rainn Wilson. The Office was racist.

[David Spade]

Exclamation.

[Rainn Wilson]

Point. Giant clickbait kind of thing.

[David Spade]

Baited. And I clicked.

[Rainn Wilson]

You went. You went for it.

[David Spade]

Oh, yeah. I said war.

[Dana Carvey]

Then he texted me about it.

[David Spade]

I said, this fucking guy we can't have.

[Dana Carvey]

What is that about? What? I get to cancel.

[Rainn Wilson]

Cancel it.

[David Spade]

I go cancel somebody involved. I don't know who, but let's start canceling.

[Rainn Wilson]

Cancel him.

[Dana Carvey]

But whenever I talk about anything like that, because we're sort of a neutral podcast. We're just trying to be friendly and make money.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

So you know the nuances.

[Rainn Wilson]

Is not a big money making gig.

[David Spade]

Let's face it. Let's not let the viewers know.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, no, it's. It's not at all like, where does.

[David Spade]

He get those shoes?

[Dana Carvey]

It does. Well, but my point is the nuance of stuff. You strangle yourself into nuance and you feel like you almost said nothing and then somebody somewhere pulls it out. Boom.

[Rainn Wilson]

It happens all the time. There was another one I did a couple years back where I talked about, like, you know, I went through some really unhappy times on the set of the Office because of, like, you know, I wanted to do more movies and I was just. I thought that I should have more opportunities and I was complaining a lot and I wish I hadn't have been in that space. And it was like, Rainn Wilson miserable on the set of the Office.

[David Spade]

He hates the Office.

[Dana Carvey]

Who's this?

[David Spade]

I could have written a better one.

[Dana Carvey]

He hates.

[Rainn Wilson]

But the producers, like the chump in the Seahawks hat, they're going to do the same thing for your clips. And it's listening, everyone. I was not miserable on the side of the Office. I had some struggles with early fame and mental health. And guess what? The Office could kind of push a lot of buttons around race and sexism and issues in a way that would be trickier today. Could still be done. And that. I don't think the Office is racist. And I was happy as a clam on the set of the Office. Thank you and good night.

[Dana Carvey]

That was a great podcast.

[David Spade]

Here's the. Here's that headline. He still hates the.

[Dana Carvey]

He's still Rain was trying to dodge a question fly on the wall, but he was called out.

[David Spade]

I tell you, when I worked on Just shooting. Oh, my God. A couple people remember. Thank you. When I worked on a sitcom, an ER was going on around the same time someone quit ER and was making so much money and no one could believe it.

[Rainn Wilson]

It was one Sherry Stringfellow.

[David Spade]

Yes. And everyone's like, how could you? And she's like, I'm in a studio 24 hours a day. Because it's like a never ending movie, those shows. So she gets like a month and a half off in the summer and then they go right back in and it's memorizing lines all day. The ER's gotta be the hardest. Memorize, memorize.

[Rainn Wilson]

You have to memorize all that. Medical jar.

[David Spade]

Yeah. And you gotta go, hey, you put the squeeze ringers lactate over. So that lactate. 10cc's of Ringer's lactate. That was an emergency. So anyway, she quit and I kind of go, she may regret it later down the line, but I get. She needs a fucking breather. There's no mental days back then. There's no taking a break. It's just like grind, grind, grind. And the money means nothing. She's not even spending it. She never sees it. It's just work, work. So maybe there's times on shows when you do get. Like when there's so many mouths to feed on the office, sometimes you have light shows. I remember Lovett's. Well, all of us, let's say when snl, you'd have one sketch that week, sometimes none. It's just a weird vibe in your head of like, am I gonna get fired? Am I. Am I doing enough? Can I keep up with these people? Shouldn't. I thought I was funny in this. Could they put me? And that's just constantly. It might be like that on your set too.

[Dana Carvey]

Sure.

[David Spade]

Every set, probably.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. But did anyone ever distort that with you? Like David Spade's ungrateful. No, that I.

[David Spade]

They will.

[Dana Carvey]

That was.

[David Spade]

They will.

[Rainn Wilson]

Now that I have said that. David Spade miserable on the set of snl, but you.

[David Spade]

I think everyone is.

[Dana Carvey]

I have. But. But you came before.

[David Spade]

You didn't get to see Danny because you were 2007 when. Wait, what did you host 2007 or 8.

[Rainn Wilson]

Something like that.

[Dana Carvey]

Like three times.

[David Spade]

Sorry.

[Dana Carvey]

You and I together could be in the Five Timer Club. I did host in 2010. That was the last time. But you didn't get Christine Wiig and I did not. Yeah, Billy. Billy Hader, you know, Billy Hader was there. Will Hader.

[David Spade]

I got to see Dana in action though, because I was. I got on when he was on already then I got on. But you're right about those impressions. Every time Dana goes out, there was.

[Dana Carvey]

A score characters people say, McLaughlin Group, Church Lane, issue number one. Rainy, rainy rain time. Unhappy with the office. Are we too racist to continue?

[David Spade]

What do you think? More teeny tiny.

[Dana Carvey]

That thing was exhausting. But I had one. So I had a Botched bypass in 1997, so. But I never had a heart attack. Everyone gets quiet.

[David Spade]

How was your heart attack?

[Dana Carvey]

Look at me now. You know, it's a big difference.

[David Spade]

Are you okay? That's what I say every 10 seconds.

[Dana Carvey]

Hold on. Yes. So as far as.

[Rainn Wilson]

Show us the scars.

[Dana Carvey]

So then I'm doing a movie, so it's very faint. I'm sexy with it. It never bothered me. So anyway, my heart's really good. My resting pulse is 40. Whatever. So. But I was doing a goofy movie and the tabloids, they go, the tabloids are here and they think you're too exhausted, you can't do the movie. It's like three years later. So I said, well, let me call him. Let's call him. So I said, okay. So I call a National Enquirer guy and I go, I never had any heart problems. It was just a stent that needed to be, you know, And I'm totally fine. And I just had one bypass. So next day, National Enquirer. Dana Carvey has five open heart surgeries.

[David Spade]

And hates the office.

[Dana Carvey]

Hates the office. Well, at the end, I didn't want to say that. I don't know why, says Rainn Wilson. And I don't know why in those days that is such.

[Rainn Wilson]

That's amazing that it would just be a bold faced l just a lot.

[Dana Carvey]

And then you're like, do you go to court? You know, that kind of thing?

[Rainn Wilson]

No, There was one time when I went to like, you know how the. Did you guys ever do press in Canada? And they have the. Much tv, it's their version of mtv. And I did some festival and introduced some bands and did some interviews and stuff. And then what was it? Not in sync. Boys in the hood.

[Dana Carvey]

Boys in the hood.

[David Spade]

Boys in the hood.

[Rainn Wilson]

One of those boy bands, Backstreet Boy was there, I think. And then there was a gossip site that said like, Rainn Wilson had altercation with Backstreet Boys or something. Like, I never even, like, met them. And my Moses called this site and was like. And there's. He's like, I just needed a. I.

[David Spade]

Needed a headline, something that's so, like.

[Dana Carvey]

The honesty of that.

[Rainn Wilson]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

Waste your money. Yeah, anytime, anytime. One time my mom got called and she goes, oh, they were wondering who you were dating. And I go, mom, it was the National Enquirer. She goes, no, it was American media. It was a reporter. And I go, that's who owns the National. But they say that's a good slippery way to get it by calling my mom in Arizona for anything about anything that would happen in your life. And then I go, mom, just. Just realize I just don't do it. But they get your phone number. It's also creepy. Also bad.

[Dana Carvey]

Here's one. Maybe we can get a trend on.

[Rainn Wilson]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

Back to you, Dana.

[Dana Carvey]

What? What? Is there any question that hasn't been asked of you yet around the office? Because I wouldn't even know where it starts. I assume you've done so many interviews. Is there something we don't know? I need a banger.

[David Spade]

We need a banger.

[Rainn Wilson]

The future of this podcast is resting.

[Dana Carvey]

Said it was me. We make a lot of money, I'm telling you, but could always make more. Go ahead. No, I really, I can't.

[Rainn Wilson]

That's a great question, and I don't have an answer.

[Dana Carvey]

This is the question I had. But I know you've been asked this a million times. The Dwight Hare.

[Rainn Wilson]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

The origin of that.

[Rainn Wilson]

I stole it from Mackenzie Crook, who played Gareth on the British Office, because I read an article that he went to like a, like the barber shop in, like in. In Slough where it was set and like, got like the least flattering haircut for his.

[Dana Carvey]

It was the. Probably the best hair on comic television.

[Rainn Wilson]

And I. I just lifted that from him. I'm like, let's design the worst possible haircut for me. I was not thinking about wearing that haircut for nine seasons for the rest of episodes.

[David Spade]

And.

[Rainn Wilson]

Cause I have an enormous forehead.

[Dana Carvey]

I do, too.

[Rainn Wilson]

And so it's just revealing it. Like it's these little curtains, you know, it's like a little Broadway set. Like, you could do Oklahoma. Perform it here with finger puppets and.

[David Spade]

Yeah, that's a good reference. Yeah. Was there ever an episode where the girls were scheming to get you a new haircut?

[Rainn Wilson]

That would have been a good pitch. That would have been up.

[Dana Carvey]

Did you ever refer to Daniels used.

[David Spade]

To work with us.

[Dana Carvey]

Was the haircut referred to?

[David Spade]

Do you remember that, Diana?

[Dana Carvey]

Huh?

[Rainn Wilson]

Greg Daniel, when he was on snl?

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Rainn Wilson]

Oh, nice.

[David Spade]

He was a writer with Conan, and.

[Dana Carvey]

I remember him and Coney coming right out of Harvard. They look like they're 12.

[Rainn Wilson]

Do you remember any sketches that they might have wrote that you were in?

[Dana Carvey]

I did a George Will. George Will. George Will sketch.

[Rainn Wilson]

George Will, the conservative commentator.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Rainn Wilson]

That's back when SNL was smart. Because now it's like Fart Police. You know what I mean?

[David Spade]

Is that a movie now? Did they do a spin off?

[Dana Carvey]

I asked. I asked my friends there they're already at Fart Police Street. Why don't you guys do Tucker Carlson? Senator John Kennedy. They don't even do Bobby Kennedy. That's the Trump people. But there's a lot of people to do. But they're just like, we're not really into that anymore.

[David Spade]

I don't know.

[Dana Carvey]

I mean, we do John Kennedy because we just think he's Senator Johnson.

[Rainn Wilson]

Who was the writer that would always have the political stuff at the top of the show?

[David Spade]

Downey or Franklin Franken?

[Dana Carvey]

I. Those were the two twin that I worked with with George were senior on political stuff. It was Downey.

[Rainn Wilson]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

And Al Franken.

[Rainn Wilson]

And they, they would always, they would lead with it even if it wasn't. They knew it wasn't going to be the most popular sketch.

[Dana Carvey]

Downey hated the idea of playing to the yahoos not laughing. But ye. And Franken was, you know, really into politics. So that all informed itself myself into it and I wanted to just go, nah. God, that. So the three of us together, it worked.

[David Spade]

Yeah, they make the cake together.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. But snl, you know, I don't want, I don't want to be a grumpy old cashmere. It's not the way it used to be. So I. There's a lot of great people that are funny and they do great sketches. I mean, so. But is it the same? No, it has to, it has to evolve.

[David Spade]

Some come out as stars, some aren't on enough and eventually leave and it's just such a.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, what's your hot take on it? Yeah, go on snl. Yeah, I need a hot take.

[Rainn Wilson]

I don't have a hot take on the Officer sn. I don't have any hot take. I'm out of hot takes. I really am.

[Dana Carvey]

Rain Wilson is out of hot takes.

[Rainn Wilson]

I went on a podcast the other day that just came out.

[David Spade]

Temp takes.

[Rainn Wilson]

I had my, my hot, my hottest hot take was that the DMV is actually really good at their job and it's actually really successful institution that monitors like 200 million driver's licenses, license tests, boats and like, oh, boo hoo. I had to wait 52 minutes in line.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Rainn Wilson]

Guess what? 200 million people, they're cycling through there and everything is kept track of addresses, driver's licenses, numbers, bad photos, you know, boat things. Bad photo. Like it works like clockwork. It is. It should be. That's going to be my next movie code dmv.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, that would be good.

[David Spade]

I got my tooth up.

[Dana Carvey]

We had a small injury. All right, I got you just Having respect for these. These government institutions.

[Rainn Wilson]

You can't use it.

[David Spade]

That's too hot of a take. We can't.

[Rainn Wilson]

It's too. Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Loving the dmv. What do you think? Do you have a good license?

[Rainn Wilson]

You don't have thoughts? You don't have thoughts?

[David Spade]

Thoughts on the dmv?

[Dana Carvey]

I do want to disagree. You want to push back?

[David Spade]

No, I don't want to fight.

[Rainn Wilson]

Let's get into it. No firing line right now. Meet the press. Let's go.

[David Spade]

I get canceled my takes in the dmv.

[Dana Carvey]

You got to bring a lot of stuff. Have you renewed a license recently at the dmv?

[Rainn Wilson]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Did you just go once and it got renewed, or did you have to go back a second time because you didn't have secondary proof of your address?

[Rainn Wilson]

I had to retake my motorcycle written test or something like that. And it went great. Barely passed, but I did pass. And it was about an hour and 20 minutes of my day.

[Dana Carvey]

And do I want to. I want to get the temperature on what you're saying here. Would you ever go to a California Department of Motor Vehicles just to kind of hang out?

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Rainn Wilson]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

Okay. I have a question. Another follow up. There's a million questions.

[Dana Carvey]

That's a banger.

[David Spade]

What's the difference between a real ID and your license? Go.

[Rainn Wilson]

It has a big picture of a bear on it.

[Dana Carvey]

And you can get on an airplane.

[David Spade]

That's what we need.

[Dana Carvey]

You can get on an airplane with it.

[David Spade]

I know, but is that. Is it good or bad? Is it better than a license? Is it different? Is there some reason it's. Is it just. They want you to go in again?

[Rainn Wilson]

I think you have to show some stuff that proves that you're really an American citizen. Yes.

[David Spade]

Is that why she went through my camera?

[Rainn Wilson]

It has a 3D dick pic.

[Dana Carvey]

The guy who helped me at the DMV, that was his name. Dick pig. I don't understand spelled ck.

[David Spade]

Kim Kardashian went and took. Got to take her picture 22 times.

[Rainn Wilson]

She took her driver's license photo. How do you know that?

[David Spade]

Because it was on that episode. They went there with a guy.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, it was a.

[David Spade]

And then they said. And she didn't like her picture and she brought a ring light. Am I right, Heather? It's your guy, too. Oh, yeah. So we have a guy that got me in the back.

[Dana Carvey]

We have a concierge guy who got.

[Rainn Wilson]

A concierge DMV guy.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. You diva little bitches.

[Rainn Wilson]

Look at you. Well, I wasn't gonna say that. Damn dmv and stand in the D. No, I have to take some photos.

[David Spade]

No, but I have to. It takes a full minute.

[Dana Carvey]

Cut. So cut to the us after the podcast. Rain's like, how would I, how do.

[Rainn Wilson]

You think this podcast is? How is this going so far?

[David Spade]

Heather carrying the Ring Light.

[Dana Carvey]

One of my, one of my favorites. I like barely controlled mayhem. I, I, because it, this is fun for me.

[Rainn Wilson]

You have some good questions down on there?

[David Spade]

Well, I want to hit them yet, but they're there.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, we should talk about Soul Boom, your podcast, the name of it.

[Rainn Wilson]

I don't have to plug my stuff. That's okay.

[David Spade]

I like that.

[Dana Carvey]

Okay, I take that back.

[Rainn Wilson]

Soul Boom is a podcast that I do.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, you have a, you have a huge.

[Rainn Wilson]

Don't listen to him. Don't listen to him. Cut here, cut back here.

[David Spade]

No, so, so you're not allowed to get up. That's never happened.

[Dana Carvey]

It's never happened. We never had a guy from the office who knows.

[Rainn Wilson]

The plate of the Soulboom is a podcast that I do that's about spirituality, mental health, philosophy, metaphysics. But it's also funny and we laugh a lot and have some great conversations and it's going great and people like it and it's fun and I love it.

[Dana Carvey]

So this is kind of this other side of your personality of spirituality, investigatory, all about it, how it can heal the world.

[Rainn Wilson]

I'm going to cut to the chase.

[Dana Carvey]

I want to hear.

[Rainn Wilson]

I'm a colossal fuck up. I had a lot of mental health problems. I have a lot of addiction problems and I needed spirituality to kind of save my ass. And so I like to talk about it and read about it and think about it, period. That's just it.

[David Spade]

There's no simple.

[Rainn Wilson]

Julia Cameron says I come to spirituality not out of virtue, but out of necessity. So for me it's like it's tools that help me in my life. Otherwise I tend to be very miserable and self destructive.

[Dana Carvey]

Billions of people. Because what better topic or question is there? How did we get here and what are we doing here?

[Rainn Wilson]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

What is our purpose and how did we get here? So that never goes away. So that leads you to. I'm so tiny and I will be dead for a trillion years.

[Rainn Wilson]

Yep.

[Dana Carvey]

Or. Or infinity. So I don't mind talk about astrophysics.

[David Spade]

Have I been here before? I my reincarnated. There's a lot of things.

[Rainn Wilson]

Is there? How does that work? What happens when we die? Do we have a soul?

[Dana Carvey]

All that. Have you had a supernatural experience? I mean, have you seen have you felt the other side or felt the presence of a goat or anything like that?

[Rainn Wilson]

Presence of a goat.

[David Spade]

Goat.

[Dana Carvey]

A goat. People say ghost all the time.

[David Spade]

I saw Michael Jordan at a restaurant.

[Dana Carvey]

Have you slept with a goat? That's my question.

[Rainn Wilson]

I have a goat, yes. And you know, I'm not.

[Dana Carvey]

Sleep is a little more PG for our pod.

[David Spade]

I like it so long. I'm sorry. Made love. He doesn't know what camera is.

[Dana Carvey]

Why? You don't know your lenses.

[David Spade]

We have four fucking cameras. This is for real.

[Dana Carvey]

This is the most we have ever.

[Rainn Wilson]

My father passed away about five years ago, and there were a lot of profound things that came up for me in that. And when I was preparing his body for burial, and we washed the body and wrapped it in a shroud, and I realized, like, oh, these are just corporeal vessels that carry our essence. This was not him. This was just a shell. A shell, exactly.

[Dana Carvey]

A meat suit.

[Rainn Wilson]

A meat suit. A flesh tuxedo.

[David Spade]

Shell better.

[Dana Carvey]

I like shell better. Yeah, totally. We're just our.

[Rainn Wilson]

I like meat suit better.

[David Spade]

Okay. Two against one.

[Dana Carvey]

As long as it fits, right?

[David Spade]

Yeah, but there's nothing there. You just see a person.

[Rainn Wilson]

You're like, I have a dialogue with my father that I feel is very strong. And I know that sounds like woo, woo and crazy, but I really. And it's not like I hear him going, rain, pick up your socks, or something like that. Like. But I definitely, like, there's some conversations. Presence. And sometimes, like, the other day I was kind of making coffee in our little coffee nook, and I was like, he's here with me. Like, I just. I don't know what it was. I was just like, he's like, here.

[David Spade]

I like it.

[Rainn Wilson]

And so, you know, was there a. Was there a vision or something like that? Not exactly, but a lot of intuition. So we were very close. We had a very deep, connected relationship.

[David Spade]

So I think that's nice. It also helps cope after these things happen.

[Rainn Wilson]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

And.

[Dana Carvey]

And who knows, man? Who knows?

[David Spade]

Who knows?

[Dana Carvey]

Who knows?

[Rainn Wilson]

Wayne Wilson hates the office and speaks to his dead ghost father. Ghost dad, Bill Cosby. You ever see that one?

[Dana Carvey]

Because the little baby. Sorry.

[Rainn Wilson]

Dana Carvey canceled for doing Cosby in person.

[David Spade]

You can't even do an impression.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, in 20, did you see Ghost Dad?

[Rainn Wilson]

It's pretty good.

[David Spade]

I remember Ghost Dad. I don't know if I saw.

[Dana Carvey]

Is that Bill Cosby?

[Rainn Wilson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Cosby in the 60s. His albums were just like, oh, my God, everybody was in awe of Fat Albert. Stuff like that.

[David Spade]

I don't even know what happened, but everyone stopped hanging out with him. I don't even remember what happened. Everyone just kind of dropped him.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, I did a bit in 2016 I can't do now. Bill Cosby.

[David Spade]

Go ahead.

[Rainn Wilson]

Please do it.

[Dana Carvey]

You see the lady? She get the poo?

[David Spade]

Yeah. Don't do it.

[Dana Carvey]

It's just mumbling.

[David Spade]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[Rainn Wilson]

Did you guys like the Office? Please be honest. For real.

[David Spade]

Yes.

[Rainn Wilson]

And I went to a taping of Just Shoot Me.

[David Spade]

Oh, you did?

[Rainn Wilson]

Yeah, because Enrico Colantoni was in Galaxy Quest.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, he was.

[Rainn Wilson]

I went in and all I remember is, like, I was so hungry I hadn't eaten. And I thought that would be like, more anything. And there wasn't. Like, they didn't, like, bring the food. I had to, like, ask him to get me some food. He had a security guard, like, get me some food.

[David Spade]

Were you in that crowd?

[Rainn Wilson]

Yeah. And they.

[David Spade]

And they used to give, like, one pizza for everybody and they hit it like a bunch of fucking wolverines because they don't feed them for. They keep you there for four hours.

[Rainn Wilson]

I was starving. But it was very funny to watch.

[David Spade]

Okay, good.

[Rainn Wilson]

I was very impressed. You guys were just so deft and. Yeah, it was. It was really great.

[Dana Carvey]

He was the Fonz of that show.

[David Spade]

I did like the Office. And I will say the funny thing is how some of these things were a little rough around the edges. Some of these jokes were a little controversial today, but today it still kills. So it does make sense. Everyone still loves it. So you go.

[Dana Carvey]

Can I make an observation? If Steve Carell. Michael Scott. Yeah. Or Steve, his character is so clueless and saying such crazy stuff. Is it Saturday? Isn't it? Satire as opposed to offensive is making fun of clueless people who say and do offensive things.

[Rainn Wilson]

But Ricky Gervais is so brilliant at that. And that was the setup. Like, if you have the most clueless, unselfconscious person who's only going to kind of speak before they think at the center of a show, you can get away with everyone. As long as you cut to the reactions of everyone going, right. Rolling their eyes, then, yeah, he can say the most offensive shit known to me. It's a brilliant comic setup.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

I'll do Stanley reaction. Ready?

[Rainn Wilson]

Yeah, that's good.

[David Spade]

It's not bad.

[Rainn Wilson]

That's good.

[Dana Carvey]

Okay. Someone says something racist and foul.

[David Spade]

Who is that person? Is that you?

[Dana Carvey]

That's me saying no. You know, you can use glasses as. As a kind of a thing. No, that's ridiculous.

[David Spade]

Here's me on the Office. You say something too sexual.

[Dana Carvey]

Okay.

[David Spade]

I sit my desk and I look at the camera.

[Rainn Wilson]

Here's me as Stanley or as David Spade.

[David Spade]

That's me if I'm on the Office.

[Rainn Wilson]

Okay.

[David Spade]

But I'm playing like just some hot guy.

[Rainn Wilson]

Gary or something.

[David Spade]

Yeah, just some hot guy.

[Rainn Wilson]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Here's me watching the Office and I see that it's an episode about Dwight.

[Rainn Wilson]

Wow, that's.

[David Spade]

You read through. Wow.

[Rainn Wilson]

That's how you welcome me to your show.

[Dana Carvey]

That was me doing a non joke. Of course. I love you.

[David Spade]

Here's me at read through and it's Dwight. Heavy. I know.

[Dana Carvey]

I just read it. But you did it better. The. Whatever. But I love the Office. The tension of it. The, the, the. You know, it was revolutionary. And I don't think any other series for the last 25 years has retained its popularity like the Office.

[Rainn Wilson]

Well, increased its popularity or.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, because of those.

[Rainn Wilson]

I think that it people. When we were finishing the show Steve had left, our ratings were in decline. Frankly, the show got worse since last couple of seasons. There were still some great episodes and it was still better than most everything else on tv. But you lose one of the great comic geniuses of all time, it's gonna take a hit. And then after it. When was that? 2014, 15 or something like that. There was a couple years there. No one was thinking about at the Office.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Rainn Wilson]

And the streaming brought it back. And there's something about it that's so evergreen. I don't know what it is. It's fluorescent lights, cubicles. It just kind of Men's Warehouse style suits. Like, it just. It just kind of. It doesn't feel dated at all. You watch some other stuff and it just feels like, wow, that looks like 1994 right there on my TV set.

[Dana Carvey]

And a great show. You always feel like no other actor could play every single part. That's good.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

There's like no one could have played Dwight except you. Steve Carell, his part, you know, it's just like that's what great, great shows. Well, you can't imagine anyone else.

[Rainn Wilson]

Yeah. You can't imagine Seinfeld with any other. Differently.

[Dana Carvey]

I beg to differ. Sorry.

[David Spade]

That's Seinfeld.

[Dana Carvey]

That's Seinfeld's very.

[Rainn Wilson]

That was Seinfeld.

[Dana Carvey]

I do Seinfeld as a serial killer. That's the only.

[David Spade]

Go ahead.

[Dana Carvey]

I think I'm going to get down in your spleen and just get up like that. You know that. That gear he's got where he goes, I think I could maybe do this. What are these people doing? Then he goes up there. We love Jerry. He's brilliant.

[David Spade]

Have you looked at a Pop Tart? That just sounds like the beginning of something.

[Rainn Wilson]

It's. It is pretty good. It's like he invented the what's the deal with kind of set of jokes. What's the deal with the drmv? Like, what's the deal with this glass? Is this glass half full or half empty? What's the deal with that?

[David Spade]

All well written, though. He's got so many.

[Dana Carvey]

Could I do my one I've done before. But it's Jerry's new. It's an lp. It's an album.

[Rainn Wilson]

Okay.

[Dana Carvey]

Jerry Seinfeld does comedy live album. It's just a picture of Jerry like this. And the title is Paperclips. Why? Exactly.

[David Spade]

I like that.

[Dana Carvey]

Paperclips. Why? Got nothing.

[Rainn Wilson]

I don't feel like we got to any of those questions.

[David Spade]

No, we got to.

[Rainn Wilson]

How many other guests. How many other shows are you doing?

[Dana Carvey]

We rarely do two.

[David Spade]

No, we're doing two today.

[Rainn Wilson]

She's coming in.

[David Spade]

Terry Hatcher. Was she at the same time as you were on Desperate Housewives? Yeah. Okay. Were you ever the pool boy?

[Rainn Wilson]

I never was the pool boy.

[David Spade]

Did you ever see her out and about at Emmy parties?

[Rainn Wilson]

Yes, we. We bumped into each other.

[Dana Carvey]

Sure.

[Rainn Wilson]

We bumped uglies.

[David Spade]

Okay.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, I love that because I watched.

[Rainn Wilson]

Terry's really nice and a really good actor. I. I think I did a reading in a New York theater with her, too.

[Dana Carvey]

She's good. Yeah, I got a Golden Globe or something for that. Yeah, I love that. You love Star Trek and. And Kung Fu.

[David Spade]

Yeah, the TV show Kung Fu Carradine.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Rainn Wilson]

Well, in.

[David Spade]

I watch that every day.

[Dana Carvey]

I watch Star Trek Next Gen now, you know, I'm re watching episodes.

[David Spade]

Oh, how.

[Rainn Wilson]

How is that? Is it holding up? Like, re watching it?

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. Well, because you watch all this stuff, that's.

[Rainn Wilson]

What's your favorite season of that show? Like, could you skip season one go. Because it gets better.

[Dana Carvey]

I think it did get better, but I think Brent Spiner is brilliant in that character. And I think Patrick Stewart, the gravitas he brings. Mr. Data, American show number one is so. And it's also. It's a morality play. You want to be Patrick Stewart's character? You want to be Captain Picard? He's just got this moral compass. It's really kind of a cat and mouse game and they're trying to help a civilization evolve. It's very. Feel good. It's not. A lot of these shows are so toxic now and dark that you just.

[Rainn Wilson]

Well, you know, there was an interesting thing about the Next Generation, which is Roddenberry thought that at that point in time in humanity's evolution, there would no longer be disagreements between people. And so if you notice on Next Gen in, you know, we're doing the best we can, Captain. Give it more like the original series. They're like, they're butting heads a lot.

[Dana Carvey]

We got no more power, Captain.

[David Spade]

Yeah, make it so.

[Dana Carvey]

Scotty, I can't get on, so go ahead.

[Rainn Wilson]

Oh, my God, that's so delicious.

[Dana Carvey]

That was the first one.

[Rainn Wilson]

But the. But the Next Generation, they didn't. They didn't argue like that. You never heard him saying, like, number one, make it so. And like, like, captain, we're not gonna.

[Dana Carvey]

No, you're right. They're really in the same frequency.

[Rainn Wilson]

So the ideas had. Had to be deeper. And. And yeah, I thought there was an episode. Do you remember the episode where they were playing a video game and it was. It was kind of like a. What's that little serpent game going around? And. And they would get a. It planted like a thing in their brain to give them a dopamine hit every time. And they were all like, playing this video game and they were all getting these dopamine hits, but it was actually an alien invading, like, their brain.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Rainn Wilson]

And it. It presaged. It presaged, like video games, our dopamine dumping devices that we keep in our. In our pockets with endless video games and porn and YouTube clips and. Yeah.

[David Spade]

I'm getting excited when you talk about it.

[Rainn Wilson]

I'll show you.

[David Spade]

I'm getting pre dopamine. I drink. I eat a cereal called Dopamine's little mini Dopamine Hits.

[Dana Carvey]

Dopamine. They're delicious. Us, we should see if we can get it.

[David Spade]

We should get.

[Dana Carvey]

Let's start doing fake sponsors.

[Rainn Wilson]

Can I stay for the Terry Hatcher.

[David Spade]

You should stay.

[Dana Carvey]

You absolutely. Can we.

[Rainn Wilson]

Can I just. I'll just sit back there. I love listening to you guys.

[David Spade]

She's going to be good because let me tell you, she hosted when I was there.

[Dana Carvey]

So my best guess.

[David Spade]

But I'm going to leave you guys. But I got a million things going today. I just got a new abacus.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. I have a new. A new podcast. This is our first episode. We're just going to start. It's called Rain and Me.

[David Spade]

And you're filming the second one. I'm leaving. And then you get.

[Dana Carvey]

I'm launching a new podcast, Rain and Me. Okay, David. And obviously let it rain fly on the wall. Yeah.

[David Spade]

There's so many you could do. Let it rain. There's so many.

[Dana Carvey]

Did you get so many?

[Rainn Wilson]

I got teased mercilessly. I really. And I. Plus, it didn't help that I was kind of a nerd and a dick at the same time. So it was not a good. No. I was very sweet, but I was very nerdy and I had the name Rain and I had a giant head and that was. That was a toxic combination.

[David Spade]

George Siegel told me you have to bear a giant head to be a movie star because he had a giant head. And he goes, who did? George Siegel. And he goes, you.

[Dana Carvey]

Sorry.

[David Spade]

I go, oh, I don't know.

[Dana Carvey]

Tiny headed movie stars. It has to be.

[David Spade]

Well, Mickey Rooney's was huge.

[Dana Carvey]

Was it?

[David Spade]

I think it looks circular.

[Rainn Wilson]

Oh, yeah. What's the. The African Queen guy?

[Dana Carvey]

Bogart.

[Rainn Wilson]

Bogart. Giant.

[David Spade]

See, there's something medium to look.

[Rainn Wilson]

But you're right. Like who's. Who has a tiny head? Who has a tiny head? Don Knotts, maybe.

[David Spade]

I don't know if Andy Griffith looked like he had a big one.

[Rainn Wilson]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

Face in the crowd.

[Dana Carvey]

Maybe they just had little shoulders and little bodies. I don't know if it's an optical illusion maybe. I don't think my head's really lounging out. I've got a tiny head. Tiny head, but I've got tiny shirt. I did that.

[David Spade]

I gotta go, but he's gotta go.

[Dana Carvey]

You've got to get on the 404.

[David Spade]

Thank you.

[Rainn Wilson]

Thank you.

[David Spade]

Look at this picture.

[Rainn Wilson]

This has been Fly on the Wall.

[David Spade]

Hey, guys, if you're loving this podcast, which you are, be sure to click follow on your favorite podcast app, Give us review 5 star rating and maybe even share an episode that you've loved with a friend.

[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

Fly on the Wall is presented by Odyssey and executive produced by Danny Carvey and David Spade, Heather Santoro and Greg Holtzman, Maddie Sprung Kaiser and Leah Reese Dennis of Odyssey.

[Dana Carvey]

Our senior producer is Greg Holtzman and the show is produced and edited by.

[David Spade]

By Phil sweettech booking by Cultivated Entertainment.

[Dana Carvey]

Special thanks to Patrick Fogarty, Evan Cox, Maura Curran, Melissa Wester, Hillary Schuff, Eric Donnelly, Colin Gaynor, Sean Cherry, Kirk Courtney and Lauren Vieira.

[David Spade]

Reach out with us any questions be asked and answered on the show, you can email us at. Fly on the wall@odyssey. That's a u d a c y I dot com.