RE-RELEASE - Jon Hamm

Summary

Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade

Episode: RE-RELEASE – Jon Hamm
Original Air Date: December 3, 2025
Guest: Jon Hamm

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Episode Overview

This episode features actor Jon Hamm joining hosts Dana Carvey and David Spade for a lively, freewheeling conversation about Hamm’s career, stories from “Mad Men,” his comedic chops, and experiences in the entertainment industry. The banter flows from Hollywood anecdotes and impressions, to tales from SNL hosting, and lessons from the comedy world. The tone is loose, self-deprecating, and full of the signature quick wit and digressive energy that defines the podcast.

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Main Themes and Highlights

• Jon Hamm’s Comedy Roots and Friendship with the Hosts
• SNL Hosting: Inside Stories and Jitters
• Transition From Waiting Tables to Stardom
• Iconic Projects: Mad Men, The Town, Fletch, Apple Commercials
• Impressions and Comedy Technique
• Navigating Hollywood: Career Choices and Missed Opportunities
• Collaborating with Larry David (Curb Your Enthusiasm)

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Key Segments & Timestamps

1. Welcoming Jon Hamm, Early Impressions, and Comedy Chops

[00:29–06:00]

• Spade and Carvey introduce Jon Hamm with playful “hunk” banter, noting his comedic presence and versatility.
• Discussion about skiing misadventures as kids; Hamm reveals his first ski lesson was on a frozen golf course in St. Louis:

  “My friends who all knew how to ski said, just keep your skis pointed and keep your weight on your downhill ski. And then pushed me. ...I immediately fell down.” – Jon Hamm [03:10]

• Light conversation about Midwest upbringings and St. Louis connections.

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2. References and Impressions

[06:10–12:13]

• Exploration of movie and TV impressions. Carvey briefly impersonates Brad Pitt, Spade riffs as Woody Allen, and Hamm joins in with comedic asides.

• Carvey's Don Draper Impression:

  “Don Draper is asked to give someone a ride to the airport. I don't even know you.” – Dana Carvey [10:52]

  • Leads to discussion of Mad Men memes and the enduring coolness of Draper.

• Hamm discusses the unique challenge of embodying Don Draper, drawing a parallel to Daniel Craig as James Bond:

  “There is a part of it, you know...obviously, when I'm wearing the suit and the thing and the hair slicked back...I’m playing a character.” – Jon Hamm [12:47]

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3. Comedy Collaborations, Sketches, and SNL

[13:53–22:04]

• Spade and Hamm bond over keeping up with one another’s work, including films like “Keeping Up With the Joneses.”
• Micro-impressions section: Ray Romano, Barney Fife, Christopher Walken.
• Nostalgic riff on unrealized “Mayberry RFD” project between Carvey and Dan Aykroyd.
• Apple TV Commercial:

  “Everybody but Jon Hamm.” – Jon Hamm [16:46]

  • Hamm describes the personal joy of working on the spot, including collaborating with old comedy friends from the L.A. scene and Largo.

Largo: The L.A. Comedy Scene

[17:54–19:28]

• Hamm reminisces about discovering comedy cheaply and forging friendships with Zach Galifianakis, Sarah Silverman, Bob Odenkirk, Tenacious D, and others at Largo.

  “It was a pretty hot moment in time, the late 90s... Five bucks. It was like, it's great.” – Jon Hamm [18:29]

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4. Humble Beginnings: Waiting Tables and Doing Porn... Sets

[19:28–23:32]

• Hamm recounts moving to L.A. in ‘95, his four years of waiting tables, and surprise connections from his restaurant days.
• Dana asks if Hamm ever waited on anyone famous. Hamm: only Don Henley [21:13].
• Spade and Carvey joke about rumors Hamm worked as a “fluffer” on porn sets.

  “Certainly there were no genitals touched. I was in the art department.” – Jon Hamm [21:44]

  • Leads to memories of awkward, low-budget shoots in downtown L.A.

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5. SNL Hosting: Behind-The-Scenes, Sketches, and Pressure

[23:32–34:20]

• Hamm recalls being invited to host SNL as Mad Men was gaining steam. He almost passed due to a vacation, but SNL simply moved the date for him:

  “I had to say no…immediately came back, well, how about the following week? ...not having any idea what it entailed.” – Jon Hamm [24:37]

• Remembers an infamous week when Amy Poehler gave birth on Saturday; the episode was rewritten last minute.
• They all trade stories on the nerve-wracking week of SNL: the relaxed first days, the overwhelming flood of sketches, and Lauren Michaels’ process:

  “There’s nothing to suggest like, oh, this is going to be terrifying until Wednesday when you have a packet of, you know, 25 sketches that you have to read at that table…” – Jon Hamm [31:50]

• Lauren’s famous “hat on a hat” critique gets a laugh [38:18].

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6. Sketches, Farley Stories, and the Art of Rejection

[33:13–35:12]

• Spade and Carvey reminisce about quirky SNL sketches and Lauren Michaels skipping over their weirdest ideas.

  “Lauren gets through and he goes, goo goo in the honey pot…turns the whole sketch over.” – David Spade [33:31]

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7. Obscure Impressions and Comedy Technique

[36:34–41:44]

• Carvey praises Hamm’s James Mason impression alongside Bill Hader’s Vincent Price; Hamm explains its Paul Rudd-inspired origins.

  “Me and Paul Rudd growing up…we loved the movie Heaven Can Wait. …his line is, 'you’re dead, Joe'…we would always say to each other randomly.” – Jon Hamm [39:27]

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8. Hollywood: Meeting Icons, Missed Roles, and Career Choices

[41:44–47:34]

• Hamm shares stories about meeting Warren Beatty and Redford fandom in the family.
• Hamm reveals he was almost in “Gone Girl” but Mad Men’s schedule conflicted.

  “I’ve had pretty good luck, honestly. …The things I’ve turned down…have not come back to kind of haunt me.” – Jon Hamm [42:53]

• On being asked to do “Curb Your Enthusiasm”:

  “I had done a weird little movie with Larry…We had a really good time… ever since then, he’s kind of kept me in mind for stuff.” – Jon Hamm [43:47]

• Curb’s improv chaos described in detail:

  “It’s not unlike SNL. You just want to try to stay out of the way and understand that the process is going to work and you can contribute where you can.” – Jon Hamm [47:13]

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9. Collaborative Comedy and the New “Fletch”

[53:05–57:55]

• Hamm would love to do a Star Wars project (missed his window); discusses his collection of Star Wars toys growing up.
• Talks about starring in and developing the new “Fletch”:

  “It’s kind of like a cover song…I looked at it…Why would you do it just like ‘Hey Jude’? Maybe mix it up a little bit…we were very cognizant of not doing Chevy.” – Jon Hamm [55:40]

• Raves about collaborating with comedy writers like Bill Hader and Paula Pell to create new Fletch gags.

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10. Iconic Roles and Pop Culture Legacy

[49:00–53:05]

• Spade and Hamm discuss fan encounters and how people recognize Hamm—from “Mad Men” to “The Town.”

  “I get [the Town] in Boston and I get that in airports. The TSA loved The Town.” – Jon Hamm [49:11]

• Ben Affleck’s leadership and the process of blocking off Boston for movie shoots are discussed.

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11. Closing Banter and Memorable Moments

[57:55–End]

• Talk about agency rejections and Hamm’s old agency, WME:

  “Don’t you think there should always be one person working for WME, his name is William Morris, so you could go and be like, you’re the guy.” – Jon Hamm [60:16]

• Hamm is teased about airport sweatpants (a nod to tabloid rumors):

  “I tend to dress up for the airport, thank you very much. I think my grandmother taught me to wear nice clothing.” – Jon Hamm [58:41]

• Carvey muses about ghosts in his 1912-built house [62:23].
• Hamm recalls almost being on Star Wars by visiting Skywalker Ranch [62:43].

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Notable Quotes

• On Comedy:
  “I love micro impressions where it’s the essence. You don’t need to say anything more.”
  — Dana Carvey [15:24]

• On SNL Process:
  “There’s nothing to suggest like, oh, this is going to be terrifying until Wednesday when you have a packet of, you know, 25 sketches..."
  — Jon Hamm [31:50]

• On Mad Men’s Impact:
  “Sometimes you go, I remember that day, it was cold and we came to the set late. There was a problem with the lights...”
  — David Spade [07:49]

• On Curb Your Enthusiasm:
  “The fun for me — because I don't improv a lot — was a whole scene where they go …you'll find out...So you gotta be on your fucking toes."
  — David Spade [46:00]

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Memorable Moments

• The hosts and Hamm riffing on disastrous skiing experiences and comedic impressions
• Recollections of SNL’s hectic sketch process and Lauren Michael’s legendary “hat on a hat” note
• Spade displaying envy at sketches skipped by Lauren Michaels
• Hamm’s humility and gratitude for his slow-burning success and surprise at fan encounters
• Lively breakdown of how the new “Fletch” movie was crafted collaboratively with comedy’s best minds

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Wrap-Up

This episode encapsulates the camaraderie, shared history, and comedic instincts of three industry veterans. Listeners are treated to inside stories from SNL, Hollywood, and the live comedy world, as well as insights into Jon Hamm’s unique path from struggling waiter to TV icon and comedic mainstay. The rapid-fire jokes, warm reminiscence, and mutual ribbing create a fly-on-the-wall look at showbiz with plenty of laughs and genuine respect.

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Transcript

[David Spade]

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[Jon Hamm]

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[David Spade]

Cmintmobile.com all right, our main man. I met this guy at hunk class.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. The one and only John Ham who's was so brilliant in Mad Men. That was his coming out party and then he's gone on to do all these things.

[David Spade]

Mad Men always in used a lot in comedies and for good reason. The guy knows what he's doing. Very personable, very studley. A lot of fun to chat with. I see him out sometimes and just a good old school hang.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, since we recorded this I. When I was doing SNL last fall, I just hung out with him a lot. He'd come to a lot of the parties. Super friendly guy and, and loves comedy. You know, he can do drama, he can do anything. But yeah, to be he since this one he's in a show called Neighbors I think on Apple tv. He's fantastic in that. Fantastic. So this was us me getting to kind of know him and he loves comedy. He sent me some, some really obscure bizarre comedy clips. I mean he's a fish.

[David Spade]

He's just doing like the boyfriend of Kristen Wiggin. Bridesmaids. Just more scoring. Yeah, just you cut there. It's probably not supposed to be that funny on paper. Those two were hilarious ads. The movie as a whole. So great. So let's. Let's hear some Jon Hamm.

[Dana Carvey]

This is it, man. This is not gonna be. We're all.

[Jon Hamm]

Should be your nickname. Spader.

[Dana Carvey]

Eagle Beagle.

[David Spade]

You can always test how old people are if they see issues. This regal beagle either get it or they don't. And no one gets it. You do.

[Jon Hamm]

I do. I do indeed.

[David Spade]

John, it's good to see you bud.

[Dana Carvey]

Jon Hamm is. We already introduced him. Right. Okay.

[David Spade]

Do we start? Yeah. Right.

[Dana Carvey]

We've been going for about 20. So when you get up in the morning you have your list. You're gonna do this call this person podcast at 11 with spade and carvey. Does it make you happy or Zach Red letter day.

[Jon Hamm]

You caught me right before I'M going to. I'm leaving the country, too. I leave on a.

[David Spade]

A vacation.

[Jon Hamm]

I am going to Switzerland.

[David Spade]

Are you for real? What are you going to do? Ski.

[Jon Hamm]

Ski? Yeah. I've never, never been skiing in. In the Alps.

[David Spade]

I've never really learned how to ski.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, wait a minute. Were you someone who could ski as a kid, as a young man?

[Jon Hamm]

Here's what my first ski lesson was. It was in St. Louis, Missouri, on a frozen golf course. And my. My friends who all knew how to ski, said, just keep your skis pointed and keep your. Keep your weight on your downhill ski.

[David Spade]

And.

[Jon Hamm]

And then pushed me. And so I immediately couldn't figure out they're both pointing downhill for me. So I didn't know which was which, and I immediately fell down.

[Dana Carvey]

The parents at school, they'd all come in on crutches, like around December, you know, they'd go to Lake Tahoe to ski, and then they'd all be kind of in a boot for a while.

[Jon Hamm]

Yeah, we had a big diaspora of rich kids that went to, like, you know, Aspen and Breckenridge and, like, Colorado. That was the move. But I was not wealthy.

[David Spade]

Let me tell my first skiing. Dana. Give me 20 minutes here. I went to. I ski. I snowplow, I ski like I'm looking for a contact lens, you know? Okay, sure. So I'm not good. My friends go, the best way to learn is go to the top of the hill. But it's really to ditch me, you know? So I have all the green runs. I go, let's go down Pop Tart. And they all go, no, we're gonna go down Devil's Ball Sack. I go, no, no, that one sounds hard. I go, listen, I worked it out. We're gonna go down Santa Claus into Jelly Bean and then into Candy Corn and then Pillow Town. And they go, no, Hitler's Abortion, here we go. Like, no, yeah, Hitler's Abortion, here we go. And I go, no, no, no, that one. It's not on the map. But that sounds hard.

[Jon Hamm]

It's not even a thing.

[David Spade]

And so the point is, Dana, some of those sound hard.

[Dana Carvey]

I'm enjoying this very much. Did that chunk ever find its way?

[David Spade]

Oh, yeah, that was in my last special.

[Dana Carvey]

Okay, got it. Bit alert.

[Jon Hamm]

I remember it, but I was too kind to bring it up.

[Dana Carvey]

I dodged a train. Not a bit. Cross country skiing with my brother and his wife in the woods. Lost noise. And then suddenly a train. And we dove into the embankment. Not funny.

[David Spade]

A train.

[Dana Carvey]

A train.

[Jon Hamm]

You didn't see the tracks we did.

[Dana Carvey]

The tracks were covered. It was really quiet. Maybe we're kind of yelling or whatever, and it probably was coming around a bend and then.

[Jon Hamm]

Wow.

[Dana Carvey]

I mean, it wasn't like one second. We would have been dead, but it was like, you know, five seconds.

[Jon Hamm]

Just proves the old saying, never go cross country skiing.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

And always dive away from a train that's coming at you. That's what I say. Now, what's. What's your favorite podcast you've been on so far in the last. Since the pandemic, John, because we want to try one topic.

[Jon Hamm]

This is a. This is a. This is up there. I was very much looking forward to this. Now, I, you know, I know both of you sort of separately here and there, but it was. It was a very exciting thing to be asked to be a part of. So, I mean, it's. The jury's still out, but, I mean.

[Dana Carvey]

I mean, I guess it's show business, but. Yeah, we're thrilled to have you on the show. Thrilled. We did a deep dive. We do our homework.

[David Spade]

John's from St. Louis, Dana. Where my daughter lives. Isn't that real?

[Dana Carvey]

St. Louis, Missouri.

[Jon Hamm]

What is she doing in St. Louis?

[David Spade]

Well, actually, yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, we'll get to that later.

[David Spade]

We all do. Woody Allen. Don't mean to be didactic or facetious.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, you're a wonderful guy.

[David Spade]

Oh, he's a beautiful, intelligent woman.

[Dana Carvey]

It's just that the location is sensitive. You know, I fear rock croppings. Older age.

[David Spade]

You know, she lives where it gets a little more good. Looking towards Springfield, where Brad Pitt's from.

[Dana Carvey]

Okay, that's a good plan.

[Jon Hamm]

Fair enough.

[Dana Carvey]

Like it.

[David Spade]

Oh, here's Brad Pitt from Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Go ahead, Dan.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. Let's face it, buddy, this is Leo. Let's face it, buddy, I'm a goddamn headsp. Would that guy say to you, you want me to go to Italy and do Italian movies? Don't cry in front of the Mexicans. Look, I'm your gopher man, and I kind of like watching your house up in the hills all when you go off and do your things. But where I come from, going to Italy and doing an Italian movie ain't the worst of it. The thing. Did you see the movie, John?

[Jon Hamm]

I did, yeah.

[David Spade]

I was like, has John seen it?

[Jon Hamm]

I was wordlessly enjoying that.

[Dana Carvey]

Do you watch your movies and television shows?

[Jon Hamm]

Yes. I wouldn't say I watch. I wouldn't say I seek them out, but if they happen to be on and I'm in the mood, yeah, for sure.

[Dana Carvey]

Because Jon Lovitz on Monday would be down the hall with a VCR watching Saturday Night Live. John knows this and laughing his ass off at his sketches. I always felt I would look at him, but trepidatiously, like, feel like I'd be too critical or too self conscious, you know.

[Jon Hamm]

You know, it's funny, I guess, having done, you know, we did 90 some odd episodes of Mad Men. So I'll. If one happens to be on and I'll click on it, I'll go like, oh, when was this? Like, what was going on in my life and what was happening?

[David Spade]

And yeah, sometimes you go, I remember that day, it was cold and we came to the set late. There was a problem with the lights or.

[Jon Hamm]

Some days, sometimes that's. I have no. I mean, the show debuted fifth over 15 years ago. I think the debut was 2006, so whatever that is. 16 years ago. And it went off the air 2015, so that's seven years ago. So it's a very. It's very weird.

[Dana Carvey]

It's like, well, if I was in a show that good, I think I might look at it, you know, like Burt Lancaster. I did a movie with him once. He goes, how are you going to be in television? You've got no chin. So I don't look great in a profile. Like I'm going to be. So. But if you have a movie star head, like.

[David Spade]

Yeah, he does.

[Dana Carvey]

Movie star heads are different. You know, there's, you know, I don't know, James Brolin from back in the day.

[Jon Hamm]

Brolin's got a big dome and it's.

[Dana Carvey]

Just a good cranium and then a ch.

[Jon Hamm]

It's a. It's a. It puts you in your place too, being in the SNL makeup department, because you see all of the heads of all of the people over the years.

[Dana Carvey]

Yes.

[Jon Hamm]

And they lined up like little soldiers. And I will say I was in the. Probably in the top 1 percentile of head size in that. In that room, I think. Only. Only Affleck and Brolin had me really on head size.

[David Spade]

Affleck has a noggin on, you know, told me. George Siegel, I did a show with him and he said, I have a movie star head. Meaning him. He said, you don't. Meaning me. And he said, you might have trouble in the movies. And I said, well, thanks for that. Is that in?

[Dana Carvey]

Same thing. What are these fuckers doing?

[David Spade]

Yeah, fuck him. He's so excited about his big fat head.

[Dana Carvey]

But we're comedians.

[David Spade]

I go, I'm just going check to check.

[Dana Carvey]

Here.

[David Spade]

I don't know what's next.

[Jon Hamm]

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[Dana Carvey]

Uh, Limu is that guy with the binoculars watching us?

[Jon Hamm]

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[David Spade]

Close your eyes. Exhale. Feel your body relax and let go.

[Jon Hamm]

Of whatever you're carrying today.

[David Spade]

Well, I'm letting go of the worry that I wouldn't get my new contacts in time for this class. I got them delivered free from 1-800-contacts.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, my gosh, they're so fast.

[David Spade]

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[Jon Hamm]

Oh, sorry.

[David Spade]

Namaste.

[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

1-800-Contacts. But I have a two part question for John is. John is in.

[Dana Carvey]

I have a three part. Can I first just insert, insert. Because we'll get it out of the way. My Don Draper impression.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Jon Hamm]

Oh, yes.

[Dana Carvey]

Don Draper is asked to give someone a ride to the airport. I don't even know you.

[David Spade]

That's it.

[Dana Carvey]

Wait, that's it?

[David Spade]

No, that's not bad, though.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, I can't. It's a soft one. I don't even like.

[David Spade]

Is that your hook, John? Is that. That line Is your. I see it in memes. He's on memes a lot. Oh, on Instagram.

[Jon Hamm]

Yeah. I don't. I've seen some of the memes. I don't. I don't know if that's one of them. I know there's one of me, like laughing and drinking that. It gets used quite a bit.

[David Spade]

But that might be a gif.

[Jon Hamm]

Might be a gif.

[David Spade]

Let's not. It's a blurry line.

[Jon Hamm]

The issue.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

No. No one. No one in the history of film or television has made smoking a cigarette cooler. You know, maybe McQueen or Bogart, but, you know.

[Jon Hamm]

Yeah, there's. It's. It's pretty. It's pretty rare company, that's for sure. There's a.

[Dana Carvey]

You really got that.

[David Spade]

It makes you cooler for sure.

[Jon Hamm]

I mean, well, it makes you sicker.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

I mean, well, there's a big.

[David Spade]

Is it worth it to smoke?

[Dana Carvey]

Look, the science isn't in table the lung damage. Let's just go without hip. It is to the way you did that.

[David Spade]

The science is on its way in, but I, you know, some early reports say it's bad for you, but I say it looks cool. So it's sort of a coin toss.

[Jon Hamm]

I say, yeah, do your own research.

[David Spade]

Yeah. All right.

[Dana Carvey]

I have another quick a 30 second compliment.

[Jon Hamm]

Let's get Joe Rogan in on it.

[Dana Carvey]

We compliment our, our guests here, but this is just an observation for me is that when I watch I. Daniel Craig doing James Bond, then I met him at the Oscars, name drop, go. And he's still Daniel Craig, but he does this thing that becomes James Bond. And I felt that you did the exact same thing on Mad Men. You have Jon Hamm and then either your jaw or your shoulders. Just like. It's just an interesting connection for me. I really felt that.

[Jon Hamm]

So there is a, there is a part of it, you know, that's, that's very, you know, depend. Obviously, you know, when I'm wearing the suit and the thing and the hair slick back and all that stuff, it's.

[Dana Carvey]

Obviously very different the way you carry yourself in it.

[Jon Hamm]

There's very much a, you know, I am, I am playing a character on that. It's not just me wandering.

[Dana Carvey]

Daniel Craig is a character actor. I think you are, too.

[Jon Hamm]

Yeah. I mean, I remember the first time I hosted the show, we had a. We had several Mad men sketches at read through 27.

[Dana Carvey]

Sure. They load them up because you're going.

[David Spade]

To get one at least, so you might as well throw everything.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Jon Hamm]

One made it on the air.

[David Spade]

Yeah. For sure.

[Jon Hamm]

But it was funny because, like, you know, I had spent the time up to then doing other sketches and reading, you know, various funny parts. And this is. And that's. And as soon as it got to the Don Draper, I sort of dropped into the Don Draper voice and everybody.

[Dana Carvey]

Kind of went, oh, it's a character.

[David Spade]

Every girl slid off her chair.

[Jon Hamm]

That's what that sounds. That's what that sounds like.

[Dana Carvey]

And the cadence, the rhythm. I mean, you're married with the writer.

[Jon Hamm]

Very much that stuff, too.

[Dana Carvey]

Very cool. David, did you have something before I interrupted your 20 minute question?

[David Spade]

Thank you, Dana.

[Dana Carvey]

I'll get back to.

[David Spade]

I have too many. One was. I was in at the Mirage this weekend. Oh. I appear there sometimes.

[Dana Carvey]

Whoops.

[David Spade]

But I was with first I saw on TV, I watched Mr. And Mrs. Jones Keeping up with the Joneses.

[Dana Carvey]

Yes.

[David Spade]

Yep. Is that what they. The final title was? Yep.

[Jon Hamm]

Yeah, they went with that.

[David Spade]

And then. And he's a stud in that. And I go, you work with Zach. And Gall. Is that how you say your name? Gay gal? Gal. Yep.

[Dana Carvey]

Gal Gadot.

[David Spade]

Jesus Christ, she's beautiful. And then it's.

[Jon Hamm]

It's arresting.

[Dana Carvey]

Thanks.

[David Spade]

I mean, I'd be sick.

[Dana Carvey]

So.

[David Spade]

You did a good job in that because it was so funny. I was about to see you, and I was about to come dink around and look at your stuff when I got home and I go, oh, I get to watch this. And what a fun sort of different movie to be in. And then I was with Ray Romano. We do shows together and we golf sometimes. And then talk about a quick impression. I think, Dana, he does a Ray Romano.

[Jon Hamm]

Everybody kind of does a Ray Romano.

[David Spade]

But I never heard one, really. And I fucking work with them.

[Jon Hamm]

Well, we always. There was a joke that we had going on. I forget who started it, but there was a. It was always like that. You could do Brad Garrett and Ray Romano. Very like having a conversation, you know, Ray's back here. Oh, come on. And then. And then Brad Garrett is Raymond. So just back and forth. Come on, Raymond. Come on.

[David Spade]

Yeah, it's really Lenny and Squiggy. There's different versions.

[Dana Carvey]

That's it. See, I love micro impressions where it's just the essence. You don't need to say anything more.

[Jon Hamm]

I love Ray. He's the. He's. I mean, everybody loves him. It's been established at this point they.

[Dana Carvey]

Named a show after that concept.

[Jon Hamm]

But yeah, he's. He's. He's awesome.

[David Spade]

Super sweet. Here's. Here's my Barney Fife. Ang. So that's only one word.

[Jon Hamm]

All you need.

[David Spade]

Barney fight.

[Jon Hamm]

Oh, Andy.

[David Spade]

Oh.

[Dana Carvey]

Here'S my Christopher Walken sees a magic trick. Quick.

[Jon Hamm]

Wow.

[Dana Carvey]

That's it. We're done. Boom.

[David Spade]

Hey, Dana, did I tell you and John, you can listen when I. When Aykroyd said we should do Mayberry, me and him, I should. That was back after Conheads. He goes, you know, maybe we should do Mayberry rfd. I play Andy Griffith. You play.

[Dana Carvey]

You gotta save the money. You know, you gotta save the money. And then he was always very business.

[David Spade]

We went off about aliens. But yeah, I love Danny Aykroyd and that we should have done it.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, let's think for a second of a John make it happen on the podcast.

[David Spade]

That is too late, I guess.

[Dana Carvey]

Can we put you.

[David Spade]

Oh, me and now John.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, in a series. Live streaming. We call Ted at Netflix. You're already on fx, Hulu, you're everywhere. But by the way, non sequitur. I love the Apple commercial.

[Jon Hamm]

Oh, thanks.

[Dana Carvey]

What about John Hammer? What Happened.

[Jon Hamm]

Yeah, everybody but Jon Hamm.

[Dana Carvey]

I mean, that is.

[David Spade]

So that was the name of the commercial. Was that the name of the commercial?

[Jon Hamm]

Yeah, that was the name of the.

[David Spade]

I love it because they say it on the top in quotes, so you get your, like, call sheet. Everybody but Jon Ham, the Hammer, the.

[Dana Carvey]

It's like a great. A great commercial.

[David Spade]

Yeah, you did a good job.

[Dana Carvey]

That. And just the way you played it.

[Jon Hamm]

It was funny, too. Like, my friend, a guy who I've known, who's a buddy of mine, you guys may or may not have met my. My tall, very tall friend named Tall John, who is a comedy writer. He used to write for Sarah Silver.

[David Spade]

Oh, he works at Sarah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jon Hamm]

I think you've met him at Largo or something. And it's hard to. He's hard to miss. He's 6 10. But he. He used to write promos for the WB back in the. Back in the day. He and Drew Goddard and this guy Wayne McClammy who was directing it, and he used to direct the promos. So it was like we used to all go out and get beers and stuff and hang out in the late 90s in LA when we had no money, and we would go to Largo or we would go see comedy or what have you. And now it was very strange to see that dude on a set of a commercial that I was sort of nominally the star of, which was pretty cool.

[David Spade]

Well, the tall guy, he would be at Sarah Silverman's roof party. He would actually stand on the sidewalk and we'd be on the roof. But, you know, you would go to Largo. Would you go to Largo a lot? Because I know you like comedy and you go see stuff.

[Jon Hamm]

I did, yeah. That was my. That was my entree into sort of cheap entertainment. Because Great L. A, even back then, was expensive. I did not have much money. And so for, you know, whatever to $5 drinks or whatever it was, and I didn't have to wait in line because I usually knew somebody and I got to know Flanny and the gang.

[Dana Carvey]

Nicest club owner.

[David Spade]

Yeah, he's great.

[Jon Hamm]

But it was a pretty. It was a pretty hot moment in time, the late 90s. And, you know, it was. Everyone from, you know, Zach was just starting up. He had had that weird show on VH1.

[David Spade]

Oh, yeah, that's right.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jon Hamm]

Odd fit. And then. And then guys like, you know, Bob Odenkirk and Sarah and Tenacious D, Paul F and Doug Benson, just all. All those guys now that are sort of the. The eminence, Grease of. Of. Of. Of LA comedy is. Is. That's when they were all going. It was five bucks. It was like, it's great.

[David Spade]

It's still. I don't think it's that expensive. It. Largo is still a great place to go run stuff or go just jump on somebody's show or.

[Jon Hamm]

I think the last time I saw you was it. Was it.

[David Spade]

Oh, yeah, Sarah.

[Jon Hamm]

I think so. There's a photo of you, me and Sarah.

[David Spade]

Did we take a picture?

[Jon Hamm]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

All right.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, okay.

[David Spade]

Post it.

[Dana Carvey]

Largo a lot.

[David Spade]

I tagged the shit out of you in that picture, I think.

[Dana Carvey]

Anyway, can we for a second talk about, like, just right before Mad Men and snl, because that's really interesting because people are.

[David Spade]

Explosion.

[Dana Carvey]

Our listeners may not know this. So you literally were still. You came to la, you were still not working, making a living as an actor till 29 or 30. So you had years of waitering. I mean, I was just.

[Jon Hamm]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

How long that go on?

[Jon Hamm]

Well, when I got to LA, I moved out to LA in 95. So.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Jon Hamm]

And I. And I didn't stop waiting tables until I was 29. So I had about four years of kind of roaming the desert, so to speak. And weirdly enough, I got. I got a text from a number that I didn't recognize about a month ago saying, hey, is this Jon Hamm that used to work at this restaurant Belmont, used to work at down in Venice? And I said, okay, I haven't. Yes, this is. But that's a very weird way to refer to me. But okay, yes. And there were. It used to be owned by Dudley Moore and Tony Bill. It was called 72 Market Street. It's not there anymore, but it was like a really cool Venice restaurant. You know, Sean Penn and Angelica Houston and Robert Graham and all the cool west side folks would. Would hang out there. And I was a waiter there. And so that was the first time I ever saw paparazzi. Richard Gere came in with someone who wasn't Cindy Crawford. He just broken up with Cindy Crawford and it was like a deal.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Jon Hamm]

So anyway, they're have. They were having a reunion of this thing, so they're trying to get everybody that used to work there. And yeah, fun fact. The guy I worked with at that restaurant left the job to go to Juilliard, and I didn't see him again until the pilot of Mad Men, where he played the young tobacco executive, like the.

[David Spade]

The younger protege version.

[Jon Hamm]

Oh, wow.

[Dana Carvey]

Did you wait on famous people like that? You admired and stuff. Did you wait on Famous?

[Jon Hamm]

I. You know, the only time I really waited on anybody famous was Don Henley once.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, okay.

[Jon Hamm]

Couldn't have been nicer.

[David Spade]

There was a run there when Mitch Glaser.

[Jon Hamm]

Who. You probably know Dana, or maybe you do, Kelly lynch and Kelly, they're neighbors now, and I used to go and run catering at their house, which was really cool.

[Dana Carvey]

Wow.

[David Spade]

I heard you worked on porn sets as a fluffer. Did I read that right? What is it? What does that do? What does that mean?

[Dana Carvey]

That was my first question.

[Jon Hamm]

Certainly there were no genitals touched. I was. I was in the art department.

[David Spade]

There's an art department?

[Dana Carvey]

Art department for porn?

[Jon Hamm]

Yeah. I mean, it was soft core porn. It was like, you know, Skin.

[David Spade]

Was it Emmanuel?

[Jon Hamm]

Late night whatnot? We shot in these dismal, dingy places down in la, downtown. I love these stages.

[David Spade]

Was it like. Like really, like Skin and Max? Like, they'd have.

[Jon Hamm]

They'd be kind of like some dude in a. In a sock and a lady with patches on her whatevers and. And it was go time. And then, you know, then they'd have like these ridiculous scenes of like. What do you mean you're. You're lost?

[Dana Carvey]

I was just walking by and.

[David Spade]

And I happen to have a boner.

[Jon Hamm]

But right here, I got an extra one. You want to borrow one?

[David Spade]

Oh, shit.

[Dana Carvey]

What?

[Jon Hamm]

Yeah, no. I got the job from a girl I went to college with who was like. She was like, I can't do this anymore. It's like soul crushing. And I was like, I'll do it.

[Dana Carvey]

Soul crushing.

[David Spade]

I'll do anything.

[Dana Carvey]

How about entertaining? Yeah. Kevin Neal. I did a bit on SNL where we sat in chairs like we were porn stars and we were bare. You didn't have, like. We were naked. You can't see. And we had people attending to our crotch. It's like. Yeah, yeah. Powdered up. Nice. Yeah. Trim it down. Yeah. Make it nice for the people. Yeah, Put a little. Put a little fence around it. I mean, we went nuts.

[Jon Hamm]

I remember that one. You remember that little fence around it?

[David Spade]

Yeah. John knows snl. John is. I watched the monologue this morning where you were an ad guy. Of course you knew you're gonna have to do an ad once. I thought it was funny. And Bill Hader, you kept saying, no, ma', am. And then he goes, I'm not a ma'. Am. And then you go over here and do something. Then you come back to him and then Andy Samberg trips you up. But I thought that was funny that you can actually think of him on your own.

[Jon Hamm]

No, that was funny.

[Dana Carvey]

I've done it. I've hosted three times as well, John. So we should talk to Lorne. If you want to have a Three Timer club, we could do it.

[Jon Hamm]

It's fine. You know, it won't mean as much.

[Dana Carvey]

Everyone's got a. Go ahead.

[David Spade]

Sean, which one of the 18 Mad Men sketches were you sort of gravitating towards?

[Jon Hamm]

John, you can pick one. Maybe two. Three is too much.

[David Spade]

Three. I just feel like maybe one after update one. Maybe. Maybe a commercial parody.

[Jon Hamm]

Yeah, yeah, the Three Timers. Not as much. Play the Three Timers.

[Dana Carvey]

You know, Three Timers don't get anything. One thing I'm curious about as we go into your SNL experience is like, so madman comes out. It's only on like a year or a year and a half. I mean, so you get that you're starting to feel you're riding this rock and your whole life's changing. And then you get the call. You weren't even on Mad Men that long. That's my curiosity. Before Lauren, who loved it, immediately told me about it. You're on now. You go. You're going to host snl. It just seemed like a rocket ship.

[Jon Hamm]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

What was that like?

[Jon Hamm]

I remember when I. When my agent said they want you to host snl, it was at. It was in New York City. It was at a. At a. Like a Mac, you know, back when they had magazine things, a magazine cover that I was on a party for it and my girlfriend at the time and I were about to leave the country to go to this trip we had planned. I had been working all year. We were like, we have to book this trip and it'll be great. And it was the week that they wanted me to host snl, so I had to say no. And.

[David Spade]

Oh, you said no to the SNL.

[Dana Carvey]

To go on vacation, Wellsy.

[Jon Hamm]

That'll be the end of that, I guess. But at least I was asked, you know, blah, blah, blah, and immediately came back. It came back, well, how about the. How about the following week? And. Okay, that. That sounds great. Like, sure. And not having any, any idea of what it entailed at all other than knowing the show and knowing, you know, kind of some of the people at that point I knew I had met Amy and.

[David Spade]

Oh, is that circle in that.

[Jon Hamm]

Yeah, that crowd.

[David Spade]

Great one.

[Jon Hamm]

So there were a couple people that I knew that had been there for some time. But yeah, it was a real eye opener the first time, to say the least. And that was Also happened to be the episode that Amy Poehler was wildly pregnant and then had her baby Saturday afternoon. So we had to completely re.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, wow.

[Jon Hamm]

Retool the lineup.

[Dana Carvey]

And is it true that she found out during rehearsal that her doctor had died? And then you calmed her down. I'm sure you've told that story. And then she laughed her ass off. Go ahead, tell us.

[Jon Hamm]

I. I was sitting next to her. We were shooting a thing with Jimmy Cignorelli. Yeah, the late. Not even late, but the late, great, so to speak, filmmaker who did all the pre tapes.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Jon Hamm]

And we're sitting there. We're in some weird office space in midtown, and Amy is, you know, nine months pregnant. And I'm sitting there, and it's like a. It's a mat. It's a Don Draper. Here's how to, like, here's how to pick up ladies. Be Don Draper. Like, okay. And so it was really funny. Like, stop. Fred Armisen is playing the guy who's like, hey, maybe you want to go on a date? And they're like, get lost, weirdo. And then I'm like, hey, how about it? And Polar's line is, let's get me out of this skirt.

[Dana Carvey]

I want to have that career. Can I go back in time?

[David Spade]

I want that.

[Jon Hamm]

It was really funny. But we're sitting there in the makeup chairs. You know, they have the kind of temporary thing with the. With the lights and the mirrors set up, and I don't know really anybody, especially the makeup artists or the hair people or anybody. I'm just. Okay. And kind of going along. And then Polar gets a call and. Hello? Yeah, I can't. What? What? You got to be kidding me. And then immediately starts to, like, get emotional and sob and stands up and walks kind of behind a, you know, thing. And I'm hearing. Now I'm hearing, like, sobbing, like. Like.

[David Spade]

And.

[Jon Hamm]

And I'm, like, looking at the hair. The makeup person is, like, frozen. I'm like, do you. What do we do? And what do we do? Like, do we go home?

[David Spade]

Like, what's happening to a recast?

[Jon Hamm]

So it's like, this all takes place in about 35 seconds. And she comes back from around the little fake wall and has clearly been, like, crying. And everyone's like, amy, oh, my God, what's happening? She's like, you won't believe this. I just found out my. My. My ob gyn who's been with me through this, this is her first child, has been with me for this whole trip. He just died.

[David Spade]

God damn.

[Jon Hamm]

Like, no. Way, like, no way did this happen. And I was like, oh, my God, Amy, that's terrible. But this is like a really big thing for me, so can you pull your shit together? And she immediately was like. Like laughed, like cracked up. So I was like, thank God.

[Dana Carvey]

That could have gone 1, 2 minutes. It landed nicely.

[David Spade]

My question for you about Jim Signorelli is if this. You're shooting something on a Saturday or is this during the week?

[Jon Hamm]

It was during the week.

[David Spade]

Okay, good. That was the first story started to not check out. Yeah. Okay. Because they got it. I don't think people at home don't realize when you do snl and if you're a host, you for sure probably don't get. Like, the first night is kind of easy. You meet Lorne. You go to a money meeting and everyone kisses your ass. And you're like, this is John Hamm. And then everyone politely applauds and they go, next week, Sharon Stone. And was.

[Jon Hamm]

Yay.

[David Spade]

And then you immediately feel like an asshole.

[Dana Carvey]

The inside joke. Every week.

[David Spade]

Inside joke. We do every week. And then. But then you kind of go to dinner or so. Or I don't know what you do or you just leave. And then you go. This isn't too hard. And then Tuesday you come in and it's writing day where it's.

[Jon Hamm]

Yeah, Wednesday is the crazy day.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. Tuesday's the.

[David Spade]

Tuesday's or so dinner night. And the host.

[Dana Carvey]

But comes back after.

[David Spade]

Yeah. And then. And then writes and hangs out. And I think that's when. Even when I went back to host twice, not three.

[Dana Carvey]

That.

[David Spade]

Which they're really not giving parties for the two timers for sure. So I go. And they go. And even knowing the drill, I'm at or so nervous going. I don't. I think I got to get there. Like I want to get back there and just go over everything because I'm fucking starting to freak out that I'm not. Because even Tuesday day, no one does anything and then no one's getting written. You're like, guys, we have all this time we're wasting.

[Dana Carvey]

But every week, pizza just hanging out, wasting time.

[David Spade]

Wasting time.

[Dana Carvey]

The entire system is based on procrastination coming from add. You can't really focus until there's a hard line. We got to go now.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

You know that's. So when you walk in there, do you. Were you more. Okay, you did it three times. What was your nerve rate coming into that office on Monday, sitting there with all these sketch players. What. Where were you? Were you at a 10? Were you. Or were you sort of naive, like, maybe this will be fun? Or what were you.

[David Spade]

Maybe it'll be fun adventure. It's true. You go, maybe this will be fun and easy. And then you quickly turns.

[Dana Carvey]

You go, God damn.

[Jon Hamm]

Well, David's right, though. Like, there's nothing on Monday that is really, if you haven't done it before, that suggests this is going to be terrifying.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. So they start backloading.

[Jon Hamm]

Everybody's, like, calm and relaxed and they're pitching ideas that'll never make it. The first time I. I came in and we had the meeting on Monday, the writers all came in dressed in 60s gear.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, really?

[David Spade]

That's cool.

[Jon Hamm]

Everyone from Paul Lapel to John Malini to Colin. Every. Everybody was like, to Mad Men. Yeah. Oh, wow. Lutz was dressed up like Joan. Like, it was. It was amazing. Like, they all just raided the costume department and came in like that.

[Dana Carvey]

So they're in awe of you at this point, which is nice. Well, they would love to be able to. Comedians want to be able to do it. What you do. You do comedy and that. But yeah, we kind of respect.

[Jon Hamm]

So. But it was, it was. We. It was, you know, there's nothing to suggest like, oh, this is going to be terrifying until Wednesday when you have a packet of, you know, 25 sketches that you have to read at that table and try to get laughs, and you've seen them for exactly, you know, maybe an hour or two to kind.

[David Spade]

Of go through, but you can't. I'm sure you don't even get to all of them. There's no way.

[Jon Hamm]

No, not at all. There's no way. I mean, it's, you know, it's a.

[David Spade]

Phone book size and writers come in just to tell the.

[Jon Hamm]

Can you do a thing? Can you do a thing where you. Where you do a voice and it sounds kind of like the. Okay, yeah, do that.

[Dana Carvey]

Right.

[Jon Hamm]

Which one is this? I'm sorry.

[David Spade]

Right. And then you're kind of Russian in this one, but not Ukrainian. Just play that a little bit. And then you're like, what's that?

[Dana Carvey]

You don't have to sound exactly like an elephant, but just do whatever you.

[David Spade]

Can to feel like your head's spinning, going. And then Lauren's like, it's every five.

[Dana Carvey]

Six seconds for about an hour until you go in that packed room with a low ceiling and everyone waits for Lauren. And then he comes in and regally starts the read through. And it's like four hours of cold reading, essentially.

[Jon Hamm]

Cold reading.

[David Spade]

Solid bo like, off the charts. Everyone in there Is sweating and grossed out and there's no ventilation. Goes crack. Lauren will go crack the window. And then someone reaches back. I got, I got it. Lauren. That would be me usually. I got it.

[Dana Carvey]

David is a waiter in an Italian restaurant. David goes to the table. David puts down the water.

[David Spade]

I wrote this stupid one for Farley when we had no ideas. I wrote Goo goo in the honey pot and where he was a so stupid, but it was like an eight foot honey pot. And then he, he gets in there and he's stuck in honey in a diaper. And he keep, he keeps crawling out and he's covered in honey. And they go, goo goo. Were you in the honey pot? He goes, no. I go, I saw you area.

[Dana Carvey]

But he's working for Farley.

[David Spade]

Yeah. And he goes, David, you think we can do it? I go, it's just stupid enough it might work. So I hand it in, knowing I'm light that week. And then Lauren gets through and he goes, goo goo in the honey pot. And then he turns the whole sketch over and goes Wayne's World cold opening. I go, oh, he skipped it.

[Dana Carvey]

I never heard him skipping it.

[David Spade]

Unheard of.

[Dana Carvey]

He didn't skip when I did Funny little poopy Head.

[David Spade]

And I had. He should have.

[Dana Carvey]

I did Funny little poopy head with Jan Hook. She was missing is funny little poopy head. And I had massive stage direction where Lauren had to say Funny little poopy head over and over again. And with his voice. Funny little poopy head is sad. Funny little poopy head sits down. It's like that thing, that funny little poopy head. You know, he, he. But he bailed on your sketch. Cuz that sounded funny to me with.

[David Spade]

He never mentioned it. I know Farley would have crushed it. I think Sandler later wrote one. It's like not even writing. That one isn't even really writing either. But I think he put one where it's a film piece like for Cinerelli where he's in a pool and he just puts all this suntan oil on. And then he just tries to get on the raft for about four minutes.

[Dana Carvey]

And he's going, oh God.

[David Spade]

Which you know, we've gone to that well before, but it seemed to work.

[Dana Carvey]

Never funny with Farley.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

And then he.

[David Spade]

And then I think that one even got like at least read Lore. And then it's. The sketch is like one paragraph. And then Farley struggles and screams for 45 minutes.

[Dana Carvey]

Farley Falls down.

[David Spade]

Dennis used to go, hey Farley, you got Farley Faller. Farley falls down. Anything else in the tank? Anything else for us?

[Dana Carvey]

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[Jon Hamm]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[Jon Hamm]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Jon Hamm]

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[Dana Carvey]

But back to our guest. Something that I love that I, I love this. Yes, I love Bill Hader and love his Vincent Price. And then you came in and did James Mason and you must have loved that because you did it great. And every line killed with James Mason.

[Jon Hamm]

First of all, that sketch is so, talk about so weird and specific and.

[Dana Carvey]

It crushed like a sketch should not kill that hard when it's especially a.

[Jon Hamm]

Sketch about like a relatively obscure 50s.

[Dana Carvey]

60S, totally very obscure to the young audience.

[David Spade]

Tell me Dane, I didn't skin.

[Jon Hamm]

Clearly nobody knows who Vincent Price is.

[Dana Carvey]

Clearly just a funny character. He's got a fake bird and it's all black and white and he's like, I don't even know if he's really trying to do a really accurate. But it's just a funny. Hello, I'm Vincent Price.

[Jon Hamm]

It's just kind of just off putting. And then Fred Armisen is Liberace.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, it's just. And Fred could all do all that all day. Very musical. And then it's like a TV show and it's, it's, it's Going badly. And he's getting frustrated.

[Jon Hamm]

The whole trope of, like, you know, bringing in special guest. I mean, now we have our special guest.

[Dana Carvey]

Yes. Isn't this a great show?

[Jon Hamm]

Again, like, no one. No one has any sense of who that is. Except that she's a weirdo.

[Dana Carvey]

It's got a lot of views. I think people just. Those get passed around.

[Jon Hamm]

I had to. You know, we did that for dress, and it was Dean Martin at dress, really, so. And it kind of fell flat. I guess my Dean Martin wasn't very good. It's so dark. Also, Lauren was like, well, here's the problem. It's a drunk playing a drunk. And it's a hat on a hat.

[Dana Carvey]

Hat on a hat. Hat on a hat. That's very lonely.

[David Spade]

That's a big one.

[Jon Hamm]

What else can you do?

[Dana Carvey]

Right then, really, at, like, 10:30 on Saturday night. The show's on in 45 minutes. Yeah.

[Jon Hamm]

Come up with another obscure impression that will make sense.

[Dana Carvey]

Weird.

[David Spade]

And you can. You can. And get a 10 out of 10 on it and nearly nail it.

[Jon Hamm]

And so hater comes in my dressing room, and he's like, hey, man. Yeah. I don't know. I said, this is gonna sound weird. I said, I can kind of do a James Mason. He goes, no way. No way. Do it. And I was like, perfect. Well, Joe, I don't know. And. And. And we. And he goes, perfect. That's it. That's done. And I think he and Mulaney had written the sketch the other. So I can't remember who wrote it with him, but. But then we did that, like. And again, it was. That was it, like. Yeah. 1045. So, you know, we're all up in Lauren's office, like. So John's gonna do. Is it James Mason? Okay. John's gonna. That's gonna change from Dean Martin to James. So get out on the cards. None of the lines changed.

[David Spade]

It was very casual.

[Dana Carvey]

He's always. That he was an alcoholic. Right. He was drunk and lascivious. It was just funny, you know, Sexually inappropriate. Yeah. It was just hysterical. But that is. That's impressive.

[Jon Hamm]

The reason I could do that is because we. Me and Paul Rudd growing up would. We loved the movie Heaven Can Wait.

[Dana Carvey]

And, yeah, I saw it.

[Jon Hamm]

James Mason plays the angel who. Kind of Shepherd's. Warren Beatty's, you know, Journey, whatever it was.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Jon Hamm]

But his line is, you're dead, Joe. And so that's what we would always say to each other randomly. How you doing?

[Dana Carvey]

Charles Grodin and Diane Cannon.

[Jon Hamm]

Diane Cannon.

[Dana Carvey]

The whole Freak.

[David Spade]

Great movie.

[Jon Hamm]

Jack Warden.

[Dana Carvey]

Jack Warden. Oh, yeah. Hey, Max. Yeah, so that has one of the.

[Jon Hamm]

Best lines in all of cinema, I think, in a little movie called Shampoo.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, wait a minute. I saw it a month ago with my wife because we see it every year. And the line is.

[Jon Hamm]

The line is. Now that's what I call.

[Dana Carvey]

So he. He catches Warren Beatty.

[Jon Hamm]

He doesn't realize it's Warren Beatty. His own girlfriend, very impressed with these.

[Dana Carvey]

Skills, sees him through a doorway and he goes. That's right. Jeez, you got. So you're a Warren Beatty. 70s Warren Beatty. You know, Shampoo, Heaven Can Wait, the Parallax View.

[Jon Hamm]

What a. There's nothing better.

[David Spade]

The Parallax View. Wow.

[Jon Hamm]

I've gotten. I've gotten to hang out with him on quite a few occasions. He's a great guy. Such a. I mean, the stories are. You cannot have a dinner that's less than three hours of them.

[Dana Carvey]

Because I hung out with him once. Yeah, it's very. He's very bright.

[Jon Hamm]

See if I can find that. Yep, there it is.

[David Spade]

Oh.

[Jon Hamm]

Oh.

[David Spade]

Oh, wow.

[Dana Carvey]

So what. What year was that?

[Jon Hamm]

Were you probably 2016.

[David Spade]

He just showed a picture, everybody.

[Dana Carvey]

Did he reach out to you or how do you guys have dinner or did Mutual?

[Jon Hamm]

He was a fan of the show.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, he would have loved that show because.

[David Spade]

Were you getting cold calls?

[Jon Hamm]

Kind of.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Jon Hamm]

Some stars.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Jon Hamm]

And then he. He and Annette had some friends that, like. One of them was a guy named Bill Pope, who was the director of photography for Baby Driver. So I think that was probably around Baby Driver.

[David Spade]

Let's not forget Baby Driver.

[Dana Carvey]

I think that. Yeah, that. That makes sense because he was probably 30 or something when 1960 hit. And that. The end of that era of, you know, slapping him on the bottom and all that pre feminism.

[Jon Hamm]

I mean, you know, his first movie was like, Barefoot in the park maybe. Or was that Robert Redford? I can't remember.

[Dana Carvey]

That was redford. It was 58.

[Jon Hamm]

But he didn't he do the play?

[Dana Carvey]

He might have. Yeah, he might have. Yeah.

[David Spade]

He didn't. Wearing shoes in the park.

[Dana Carvey]

Huge Redford fan. I got. I tried to convince my sons who are with me up here.

[David Spade]

Oh, he's a.

[Dana Carvey]

To watch Three Days of the Condor with me. Oh, that. We watched Butch Casting, the Sundance Kid, and they loved it.

[Jon Hamm]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

Oh, yeah. The Sting. I was about to say, shit.

[Dana Carvey]

All the President's Men.

[Jon Hamm]

All the President's Men.

[Dana Carvey]

Don't get me started. The Horse Whisperer. Whatever. He's amazing.

[Jon Hamm]

But the Electric Horseman, I think you Mean the horse.

[David Spade]

Jane Fonda.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, he had the Electric Horseman and then the Horse Whisperer later. Yeah.

[David Spade]

John, do you have any parts that they came to you and you had to pass up on that, that you didn't do that you would like to.

[Jon Hamm]

I couldn't.

[David Spade]

Other than me and grown ups. Other than my parking, grownups.

[Jon Hamm]

I have. I've had pretty good luck, honestly. Of the things that I've turned down or not been able to do have not come back to kind of haunt me or anything like that. I was sort of loosely attached to Gone Girl at one point. There was meant to be a situation and then it was because Mad Men was shooting. It was like, okay, I can't do it. Like, that's the way that goes. But I really like that book and like the guys from St. Louis, and.

[David Spade]

They did a good job with it.

[Jon Hamm]

Yeah, Ben did a great job. Ben's phenomenal.

[David Spade]

Ben's great.

[Jon Hamm]

Those, you know, But I haven't had very many of those. Those are like, few and far between, which is. Which is nice. Like, you don't. I don't have a lot of.

[David Spade]

Yeah, you've done.

[Jon Hamm]

But yeah, like you said, grownups. That was a.

[David Spade]

When you said no to grown ups. No, but you. Now, when you get involved with something like curb your enthusiasm. Is that something because you know Larry, or he just likes you and says, hey, do you want to. Come on. Beep, bop, boop, Popeye.

[Jon Hamm]

I had done a weird little movie with Larry that was for hbo, I think, called Clear History, where he invents a car. It's a very convoluted setup, like most of his setups. And he invents this car and it goes sideways and he forgets about a lot of the guy that owns the car company, like Elon Musk or whatever. And we had a really good time. We shot it in Boston with Greg Mottola and had a great time doing it and made each other laugh so much. We had so many great people in that film, too. And Michael Keaton, Hayter, Jimmy Tingle. I mean, like all these Boston.

[Dana Carvey]

Jimmy Tingle. Wow. What a great name. Yes. Stand up. Yeah.

[Jon Hamm]

Yeah. We had all these, like, Boston comics that were. That were bopping around, coming in and out, and it was. It was really fun and funny and we got to know each other a little bit and played a little golf in Boston. And ever since then, he's kind of kept me in mind for stuff. And I've been able to do the show a couple times. It was always really fun.

[David Spade]

Yeah. Yeah, that's cool.

[Dana Carvey]

Kind of a genius, I guess.

[Jon Hamm]

I don't know.

[Dana Carvey]

He had something frequency of all his own.

[Jon Hamm]

You know, I've been watching a lot of old Seinfelds too. Like which, which hold up so remarkably well. Like other than kind of the fashion, which stands out a bit, but the jokes and the stories and you can, you can so clearly hear Larry's voice in George Costanza. Not only that, but just in the stories, like the setups and the particular kind of annoyances of. The one was on last night was the parking garage where they just get stuck in the parking garage for the entirety of the episode.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, it's those little observations, little standup observations, but extenuated and just shot. Well, there's a liveliness to them. I mean, Larry, when I was watching your episode last night, the two Larry David, it feels like he's not breaking, but he's, he's. He's enjoying it so much. He's kind of smiling a lot in a lot of his lines.

[Jon Hamm]

Even when Jerry had that too on.

[Dana Carvey]

Seinfeld, you could see it and it. And, And Adam in his early films had a little bit. It brings a lot of charm to that.

[David Spade]

Yeah, yeah, we know. It's funny. It's funny. You know, John, did you have this experience? So I did a curb where, where they. I guess this is how they do it. They have a loose script, which. This was the fun for me because I don't improv a lot. I mean, in these movies we do a couple things, but a whole scene where they go, okay, you're leaving the la, you're leaving a Lakers game. You run into Larry and they go, you are going to defend yourself with whatever he's going to say to you. And then they go over to him and they talk to him and I go, what's he going to do? They go, you'll find out. So that's all we got. And then they cut. We meet with a crowd and then he's. We both have a friend with us. And then he starts going after me about something and I start defending myself. And then we cut. And then we go back and they go, now brag about what you're doing. And then they go, and then he's gonna do something else. And it was so fun because you gotta be on your fucking toes. And he's great. And everyone's. Everyone in the scene is always good because they're gonna hire everyone. Good. Is it like that? Kind of.

[Jon Hamm]

That's, that's pretty much it. I mean, the last you Know, the last one I did was with Albert Brooks and Laura Kightlinger and you know, JB and you know, so many. Everybody at that point kind of get. Knows what they're doing.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Jon Hamm]

On that. On that set. And you just kind of. It's not unlike snl. You just want to try to stay out of the way and understand that the process is going to be the process and it's going to work and you can contribute where you can. And that was my, you know, I was able to do that and pitch ideas and say, like, what if I'm, you know, this or what if I'm that? And how.

[Dana Carvey]

So what kind of ideas would you pitch and were they.

[Jon Hamm]

I had that. My idea for this last one was that my character, I'm about the least Jewish person in the universe. Like, I'm a Roman Catholic from St. Louis, Missouri Lutheran. But I said like, you know, what if I'm just like, understand like I'm trying to like pepper my conversation with like Jewish phrases and words and you know, but I get them wrong or I'm almost right with them or. And they thought that was a pretty funny.

[David Spade]

And they don't. It rubs them wrong a little bit.

[Jon Hamm]

And kind of like, what do you. That's not what you want to say.

[David Spade]

Like, yeah, yeah, but.

[Jon Hamm]

But delivered with like the ultimate confidence. Like most, you know, that thing in LA of people that 100% wrong. But. But saying it out loud and proud.

[David Spade]

My life. That's my whole life.

[Dana Carvey]

I know. It's amazing. People with no information at. Yeah, yeah. Fake it till you make it.

[Jon Hamm]

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[David Spade]

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[Jon Hamm]

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[David Spade]

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[Jon Hamm]

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[David Spade]

What's the one thing other than madman? What are the couple things that people stop you and they know you from? What's the easiest stuff? Oh, the town guy.

[Dana Carvey]

It's great movie love.

[Jon Hamm]

I get that in Boston and I get that in airports. The TSA loved the town.

[David Spade]

Yeah, the tsa. Yeah. I see the town. And that's one. When it comes on, unless one of my movies is on. If it comes on, I watch the whole thing. Unless Benchwarmers is on. And so I. The town Is such a badass movie. And I love. It's all boss. It's all fucking weird. Not weird.

[Jon Hamm]

It was a really fun one to make. Cool. Like, we were all kind of. Everybody was. You know, Renner was just coming off of Hurt Locker and Rebecca hall had. I think she was in Iron man or something. Like everybody was kind of coming off their own thing. And it was Ben's second directorial effort and his first one was so good. Gone, baby, gone.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Jon Hamm]

So it was really kind of fun and exciting. And Warner Brothers, like left us alone really to make this thing. And it was great how it all. It was like kind of this weird perfect storm. The other guys in the crew with Ben and Jeremy were these kind of local guys that were just kind of scary enough to be believably, you know, kind of low level criminals. And. Yeah, sure, it was fun. You know, it was just fun. We got really, really lucky. We got to shoot in Boston in the fall and it didn't snow or rain or any of that stuff. We got to bang around Fenway park, you know. Yeah.

[David Spade]

It seemed like you had run of the town.

[Dana Carvey]

How has been as a director? Like, how did he.

[Jon Hamm]

I mean, he's great and like I. I fell for him, obviously. It's like that's the hardest job on. On the set. Especially when you're also the lead of the film.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Jon Hamm]

And. Yeah. And he's also in Boston. Like everywhere he goes, he is.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Jon Hamm]

Remark. And he's also. He's a big dude. Like, he's 6, 4, 6, 5. Like, he's a tall guy. He's not like, he's not hiding in plain sight.

[Dana Carvey]

Right.

[Jon Hamm]

So everywhere go bad, he's Jesus, you know.

[David Spade]

Hey, guy. What's going on, guy? Hey.

[Dana Carvey]

Ben Affleck. Get over here. Give me a fucking hug.

[David Spade]

Too good for us.

[Dana Carvey]

And that's his mother, ladies and gentlemen. I gotta tell you.

[David Spade]

Thank you. God damn it.

[Jon Hamm]

But yeah, so it was. Obviously he had a lot on his plate, but he pulled it off and he did the smart thing, which I think the lesson to be learned from that is like, he hired amazing department heads. Like our director photography was this guy, Robert Ellsworth, who There Will Be Blood, among other things. And, you know, won his fair share of hardware. And he had really, really talented camera operators and art department people and stunt guys and second unit. And it was.

[David Spade]

But you guys seem to like block off chunks of the city and get to drive all over and do everything. It's fucking. It's fun on a movie. You're like, you run the whole town. It's great.

[Jon Hamm]

Yeah, especially. And especially that guy in that town.

[David Spade]

That's for sure. You know, do a movie with me in Scottsdale. Let's see what's going on.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. In August.

[David Spade]

See what's up. Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

We shoot in the afternoons.

[David Spade]

We shoot at dusk for one hour.

[Jon Hamm]

It's called Sunburn slash Windburn.

[David Spade]

I always watch movies to see how many nights they shoot to see how much complaining I would be doing. I'm like, look at all these nights, man. I. Why didn't say anything?

[Jon Hamm]

What if it's vampires?

[David Spade]

I could never.

[Jon Hamm]

But they.

[David Spade]

They're in the daytime. Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

The daytime drink blood.

[David Spade]

Ruins the whole movie. I don't care. I'm like, it's easier to shoot.

[Dana Carvey]

Do you have a. Do you have a wish list of, like, if you got a script across your desk, like, would I. Would you like to do something way, way comedic or. Or, you know, like, I've been told by a prosthetic makeup artist that everyone wants rubber on their face ever since. Ever since Churchill with. Who won the Oscar. Sorry. One of my favorites, Gary Oldman. Gary Oldman. Yeah. So now everyone wants some prosthetics because that's how you get at least a nomination. Like, for you to hide Jon Hamm.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

You know, I mean, would be kind of interesting.

[Jon Hamm]

I hate sitting in the makeup chair. Like, I cannot.

[David Spade]

And there goes your Oscar.

[Jon Hamm]

Yeah, there goes my Oscar. But how about a bald cap? Let's be honest. It wasn't happening anyway.

[David Spade]

Did you wear a bald cap on snl? We're jumping around.

[Jon Hamm]

Oh, yeah. For sure.

[David Spade]

Oh, yeah.

[Jon Hamm]

They're popping wigs on.

[David Spade]

Wigs on. You on top of it. So the one of your own hair is always, like, a little wrong.

[Jon Hamm]

And you're exactly like, this is me.

[David Spade]

And my own hair in the monologue. And you still got a bald cap on. Everyone's like, is that.

[Jon Hamm]

Yeah, but at least I'm now sweating from my dome of my head all the way down. My head is wet.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Jon Hamm]

No, any. You know, the fun thing for me would have been to be a part of the Star wars stuff, but that's. I think that ship has sailed because I was such a huge Star wars fan back when I was little, and I. You know, I remember being, like, in third grade or something, and. And Star wars coming out, and. And it, you know, it starts with the big crawl, right? And it's Episode four, and you're like, episode four.

[David Spade]

Like, what did I miss?

[Jon Hamm]

What did I miss? Like, there must. There were Three episodes that just didn't exist.

[David Spade]

It's so weird. They started like that.

[Jon Hamm]

And. Yeah. A New Hope episode four. And so. So then the rumor mill started among the third graders of like, well, you know, there's nine of these. There's meant to be nine of them. They read it in like Fangoria magazine or something, you know, and like, you thought, wow, nine. Nine more Star Wars. That's gonna be amazing. And they're not meant to be completed until 2019, which back then was 40 years later. You're like, what, I gotta wait 40 years for these? Like, no way.

[David Spade]

They go in three. Two are going to be good. So you don't know which two did.

[Dana Carvey]

You literally, at your age, you. You might have had Star wars little figures.

[Jon Hamm]

Oh, I had figurines. I had a poster. I had sheets. I had the whole deal. It was. It was a big part of my life. So I had the little Darth Vader shaped case that you kept your little guys in hot. Yeah. So anyway. But, yeah, I didn't. I never got to call for that one. But. But. Well, I don't know.

[Dana Carvey]

It's too late.

[Jon Hamm]

You know, we shot Fletch, which we're rebooting.

[David Spade]

Oh, yeah. I knew you Fletch.

[Dana Carvey]

Whoa. I love it.

[Jon Hamm]

That was pretty exciting.

[David Spade]

We were gonna ask you about Fletch.

[Jon Hamm]

Do that. That was in Boston. Again. The. The third book in the series takes place in Boston and.

[Dana Carvey]

Hey, Fletch guy, how did you. I mean, obviously you've been asked this question, but, like, how did you evolve it for.

[David Spade]

To.

[Dana Carvey]

To match, you know, Jon Hamm? Did you.

[Jon Hamm]

Well, part of it was, you know, obviously I looked at it kind of like. And Greg Mottola, who I worked with on this, we both kind of were like, it's kind of like a cover song, right? It's a cover version of a song. If you already have hey Jude.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Jon Hamm]

So why would you do it just like, hey Jude. Like, maybe. Maybe mix it up a little bit. And so we were very cognizant of not doing Chevy.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Jon Hamm]

And not doing, you know, teeth and wigs. And this is. And that's. And. And we wanted to. We wanted to still make it funny, but we wanted to keep it more in line with the tone of the novel, which is almost more of like a whodunit. And he's still a wise ass and he still gets himself into trouble and has to talk his way out. And it's still funny and there's still jokes.

[Dana Carvey]

Really fun to play.

[Jon Hamm]

It was what it was. It was super funny. And John Slattery's in it with me and your bandmate.

[Dana Carvey]

Former bandmate. You guys have a lot of chemistry.

[Jon Hamm]

We got the band back together in some way, so we had a great time. It was a blast. That was another character in my youth where we all made a huge movie.

[Dana Carvey]

And Chevy was great.

[Jon Hamm]

Enjoyed that.

[Dana Carvey]

Did you do characters in it where you're undercover, like with a mustache or something? Do you do any of that or.

[Jon Hamm]

We didn't. We kind of shied away from that. We thought that that was a real good way to get in trouble. In trouble with whoever.

[David Spade]

Comedy police.

[Jon Hamm]

Sued by Chip, sued by Chevy.

[Dana Carvey]

It's fun to be the guy talking your way out of something. In other words, lying. Basically, the actor.

[David Spade]

Right.

[Dana Carvey]

It's really fun. Like, I was. That's not my car. That kind of stuff.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, no. I. I just came by to say hello and if you.

[Jon Hamm]

We got it. I got. We had another part that was really fun for me because I don't really get a chance to do this. A lot was, like, developing the script and then having, like, zooms like this, but with comedy writers and having everybody pitching ideas and thoughts. And we had, like. We had, like, Murderers Row, we had Paula Pell, we had Bill Hader. We had so many great Robert Carlock. We had so many great minds that were kind of throwing out what a gift. One of the best ones was. And I won't ruin it, but it's. I want to hear basically the end of the movie that Bill Hader came up with. He's like, I've never seen this, but what if you do this? And he explained it to me. I was like, that's a great idea. And we immediately stole it and put it in the.

[Dana Carvey]

What was it? Oh, you can't tell us. Let's guess. Okay, I'll be Bill hater. All right, what if, like. All right, at the end of the movie, right, you go, hey, you wake up, hater.

[Jon Hamm]

Right there.

[Dana Carvey]

You wake up. Right? I'm doing. I don't know where I am.

[David Spade]

You say it's a medium hater.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, it's a medium hater. There's one thing that's unique about Bill. He's so brilliant. And a lot of times comedians aren't an audience, but, man, does he laugh.

[Jon Hamm]

He laughs. He's a good laugher, everybody.

[David Spade]

Laughers are so important in comedy, people.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, now, that's a must see. We can look for that sitting point.

[David Spade]

John was. I have one question. I know we gotta let John goes in, but he's gotta go to the airport. A lot of the female fans asked if you would wear sweatpants to the airport. I don't even understand that question.

[Jon Hamm]

I tend to dress up for the airport. Thank you very much. I think my grandmother taught me to wear nice clothing.

[David Spade]

To them, it's a big wiener question. I think that's what they're getting. I like it.

[Dana Carvey]

You were.

[David Spade]

We're about to say, wham, bam, thank you, ham to this guy. I was waiting for that one. I stole it from your monologue.

[Jon Hamm]

Yeah. Wham, bam, thank you, ham. That was exactly the same one.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, that was.

[David Spade]

You said they called you the Hammer or Hammer Time or something.

[Jon Hamm]

What is that? That skateboard deck behind you, John?

[David Spade]

Finally, someone asked me the tough questions. Dana doesn't care.

[Dana Carvey]

This is what that.

[Jon Hamm]

This is.

[Dana Carvey]

That's how I paint.

[David Spade]

That's.

[Dana Carvey]

That's, like, what I do. Go ahead.

[David Spade]

This is. There's an artist, Richard Prince, and this is a skateboard deck. So I used to skate. I still milk it out. I'm not any good. But my brother gave me that because he's big into art and. But I didn't know what to put in the background. John's like, oh, I have Louvers.

[Jon Hamm]

I want everyone to know I have a skateboard deck. That Tony Hawk somewhere in here, I think.

[David Spade]

Tony Hawk, best one. Dana. The best skater.

[Dana Carvey]

So, guy, you're going to Switzerland. We've never had someone on the podcast who was leaving to.

[David Spade]

You skipped the fact that Tony Hawk was my stunt double in Police Academy 4. Was it Dana skate double and he was about 6, 10?

[Jon Hamm]

Yeah. No, he's a little.

[David Spade]

And he rides goofy. No, I ride goofy. He rides regular.

[Jon Hamm]

I ride goofy.

[David Spade]

Yeah. John, we could tear it up. Fucking Melrose. Going to Belmont.

[Dana Carvey]

William Morris drops you, and then you become John Hamm. Do you ever run into those guys and you get up in their face a little bit or.

[David Spade]

Oh, hi, William Morris. Remember me?

[Jon Hamm]

Yeah. Don't you think there's. There should always be one person working for wme? His name is William Morris. So that you could go and be like, you're the guy.

[David Spade]

You're the guy.

[Dana Carvey]

You're the guy. The origin of the show.

[Jon Hamm]

It's literally like some schmuck in the mailroom. Like, what? I just. I. What? I didn't even want to work here. They just made me.

[David Spade]

I went over there when they. I started with Endeavor when they started. That's how old I am. And then they merged. This is. Yeah, I'm boring the audience again. Okay.

[Jon Hamm]

You Know what people love to talk about?

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Jon Hamm]

Agencies.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, they love to talk about people who doubted you, then you made it, and then you shit all over them. They like that. Revenge of the. Hey, William Morris, you were in a.

[David Spade]

Super bowl commercial, but Seth Rogen did one with your precious Paul Rudd. Were you jealous that you weren't the other guy and it wasn't you and Paul Rudd?

[Jon Hamm]

You know, I think that. Yes. The short answer is yes.

[David Spade]

Yes, that's the right answer.

[Jon Hamm]

And knowing probably within the ballpark. Got paid for that. I'm really jealous. But, yeah, you know, I think that, you know, the fun thing about commercials now is that no one gives a shit.

[David Spade]

It doesn't matter.

[Jon Hamm]

15, 20 years ago, like, Clooney did an ad and Brad Pitt did an ad, and everyone thought the world was ending. And they're like, yeah, well, we're allowed to do that now. Like, cool.

[David Spade]

You could also do them over in Europe, and they didn't know about it, but now.

[Jon Hamm]

Yeah, like Mel Gibson selling Japanese whiskey or something. Something.

[Dana Carvey]

No, you could do them. You could do commercials. There's no lives. Live streaming and movies. Everything is just.

[David Spade]

When I started on, Only fans, everyone's. All right, well, let's let John go. He's got a flight, isn't it?

[Jon Hamm]

Only fan.

[David Spade]

No, mine does pretty well.

[Dana Carvey]

I do pretty well in a month. Yeah. Gross, though.

[David Spade]

Look at Dana. I'm rich. I have stairs. Oh, people can't see his house.

[Jon Hamm]

And a. And a dark room under the stairs.

[Dana Carvey]

Where are you? And what if my wife. Wife Came out of there with handcuffs on? Yeah, that's just this.

[Jon Hamm]

Is that where Harry Potter.

[David Spade]

Is that the Lovely Bones?

[Dana Carvey]

This house was built in 1912. And, yes, it has ghosts, and they visit all the time. Yeah, I bet.

[Jon Hamm]

Are you in the San Francisco area?

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, yeah. Northern California.

[Jon Hamm]

Russian Hill.

[Dana Carvey]

Redwood trees and stuff. Where? The exact heights. Yeah, just. My wife grew up here in this town, so just have a house.

[Jon Hamm]

I got to go to the Lucas ranch over in the. That was pretty neat. That was pretty neat. That was as close as I got to being on. On Star Wars.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, guess what? I kind of know George Lucas.

[David Spade]

Keep.

[Dana Carvey]

Keep your phone close because you should definitely be in a Star wars movie if you want to. They're gonna keep making them. Oh, no. They had to take a break because they got greedy and did one every three months, and everyone needed. We need two or three years. Oh, yeah.

[David Spade]

Did you go to the kennel where they keep the baby Chewbaccas? All right, I'm out of jokes. I gotta go.

[Dana Carvey]

First comes a joke, then comes the laughter.

[David Spade]

God damn it.

[Dana Carvey]

Failure. First try joke. Joke not work try dude. Then comes unemployment is no try only have I. I can't. I don't want to get blue Anyway. I'm gonna sing. We always close off with a song.

[David Spade]

Thank you. No, we don't.

[Jon Hamm]

I would have gone with it.

[David Spade]

It's raining mad men. Well, we gotta thank John for being super cool. And whenever I see you out, you're always nice. It's fun to talk to you. It's always a good laugh.

[Jon Hamm]

It's a great pleasure and thank you for having me.

[David Spade]

Hey, guys, if you're loving this podcast, which you are, be sure to click follow on your favorite podcast app, Give us review 5 star rating and maybe even share an episode that you've loved with a friend.

[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

Fly on the Wall is presented by Odyssey and executive produced by Danny Carvey and David Spade, Heather Santoro and Greg Holtzman, Maddie Sprung Kaiser and Leah Reese Dennis of Odyssey.

[Dana Carvey]

Our senior producer is Greg Holtzman and the show is produced and edited by Phil Sweet.

[David Spade]

Tech booking by Cultivated Entertainment.

[Dana Carvey]

Special thanks to Patrick Fogarty, Evan Cox, Maura Curran, Melissa Wester, Hillary Schuff, Eric Donnelly, Colin Gaynor, Sean Cherry, Kirk Courtney and Lauren Vieira.

[David Spade]

Reach out with us. Any questions be asked to answer on the show? You can email [e-mail] that's a U-A C-Y I dot com.