RE-RELEASE - Sheryl Crow

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey & David Spade

Episode: RE-RELEASE – Sheryl Crow

Date: August 20, 2025
Guests: Sheryl Crow
Hosts: Dana Carvey, David Spade

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Overview

This episode features a candid and wide-ranging conversation between comedians Dana Carvey and David Spade and nine-time Grammy-winning singer-songwriter Sheryl Crow. From memories on SNL and wild Hollywood parties to reflections on fame, songwriting, parenting, and celebrity culture, Sheryl opens up about her life and career. The trio also bond over their mutual admiration for music (especially The Beatles), share behind-the-scenes anecdotes with legends like Michael Jackson and Mick Jagger, and riff on parenting in a social media world. Packed with stories, humor, and warmth, this episode is as much about the absurdities of show business as it is about finding authenticity amid the hype.

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Key Discussion Points & Highlights

Reuniting and First Impressions

[03:14]

• Sheryl exclaims it's been "3,000 years" since she last saw Dana and David, recalling the SNL 40th anniversary in 2016.
• Hosts intro Sheryl's massive career: "32 Grammy nominations, nine wins, and 50 million albums."
  [03:36] Dana: "Just to remind everyone what the fuck is going on right now."

Sleep Paralysis, Supernatural Experiences, and Nashville

[04:48]–[07:02]

• Sheryl and Dana bond over both having sleep paralysis.
  Sheryl: "For a long time, I would have it almost every night...sometimes on airplanes."
• Light banter about Nashville ("full of ghosts"; Civil War history).

Wild Hollywood Parties and Salman Rushdie

[07:30]–[09:20]

• Sheryl shares a wild party story: She and Minnie Driver once threw a New Year's Eve party that ballooned from 80 to 800 guests, including Salman Rushdie who had a bounty on his head.
• Describes her old LA compound and why she eventually left for family-focused life.

Past Circles & Musician Tribes

[09:20]–[10:23]

• Recollections of celebrity peer groups—Courtney Cox, Kid Rock, and the fun (and chaos) of hangouts during the "Joe Dirt" era.
• David watched Sheryl’s recent documentary, calling it “a tearjerker.”

Reflections on Fame, Critical Voices, and Parenting

[13:42]–[17:46]

• Sheryl on 'love-hate' with fame:
  Sheryl [14:03]: "I've always looked at my life as, okay, how am I going to fuck this up?"
  • Fame is both pressure and a "mind trip."
  • She's always been "uber critical" of herself and fame made her panic about being "cool" or "included.”
• Dana echoes the watershed nature of health or family events:
  "In that moment, everything got real clear."
• Sheryl avoids social media for her mental health; her kids' access is tightly limited ("I would be distraught").

Parenting, Tech, and the Meaning of Success

[17:46]–[21:00]

• Discussion on keeping kids off social media; the struggle of tech boundaries.
• Dana acknowledges how screen time can be an endless battle.

Woodstock '99 and Performance Chaos

[21:00]–[23:23]

• Sheryl's recollection of the disastrous Woodstock ’99:
  Sheryl: "At one point, shit landed on my hand while I was playing bass during 'My Favorite Mistake.' That’s when we stopped. We played about four songs."
• Joke riffing on following up Insane Clown Posse and Andy Dick.

On Musicianship, Songwriting, and Career Origins

[24:34]–[26:20]

• Sheryl recounts landing a job as Michael Jackson’s backup singer by brazenly showing up for an audition without a recommendation:
  Sheryl [25:50]: "I said, I'm Sheryl Crow. I am not recommended. But I overheard Daryl Finesse... They said, well, come on in."
• Early career included jingle sessions before the Jackson tour.

Performing with the Greats: Mick Jagger, Michael Jackson

[30:15]–[32:17]

• Sheryl: Mick Jagger was far more intimidating than Michael Jackson.
  Sheryl: "By the time I got to sing with them...that was the bomb. I was so afraid, I threw up all day."
• Describes “out of body” experience performing on stage, enduring self-doubt despite huge gigs.
• The parallel struggle of comedians and musicians with self-critique.

Tabloids, Public Scrutiny, and Dating in the Spotlight

[39:42]–[41:38]

• Sheryl reflects candidly on tabloid frenzy while dating Lance Armstrong, and why some relationships attract more attention than others.
• Surprising fact: She went to college with Brad Pitt and knows him to be genuinely kind, despite relentless press scrutiny.

The Pressures and Double Standards of Ambition

[45:55]–[47:56]

• Sheryl on cultural differences in ambition's perception:
  Sheryl: "For women, the idea of an ambitious woman is such a turn off..."
  • She encourages her sons to value hard work for its own sake, not just for "being famous."
  • She laments the change in celebrity culture, where success doesn't always equate to hard work.

The Economics of Music & Song Catalogs

[54:12]–[56:49]

• Dana asks about artists selling their catalogs.
  Sheryl reveals she sold her "catalog," not her songwriter’s share, a few albums ago:
  "Everything was going to streaming...it's just ridiculous...100% of a penny is still going to be a penny."
• Discusses the financial shift from albums to streaming and song placements.

The Lasting Power of Songs & The Beatles

[58:09]–[61:17]

• Sheryl marvels at new generations knowing her songs:
  Sheryl: "My manager started talking about, and now you're a legacy artist. And I'm like, oh..."
• Deep dive on the influence of The Beatles in songwriting.
• Dana & David recount interviewing Paul McCartney and the process of Beatles songmaking.

The Mystery and Magic of Creativity

[64:03]–[65:14]

• Sheryl on creativity:
  Sheryl: "There are moments where you go, okay, you can’t define what creativity is...you're tapping into something."

SNL Memories & On-Stage Self-Loathing

[66:42]–[68:06]

• Sheryl jokes about needing to sleep with Lorne Michaels for SNL invites.
• Everyone empathizes with the post-performance "fetal position" syndrome—even after seemingly great shows.

Song “Picture” with Kid Rock & Karaoke Fame

[69:18]–[72:18]

• David calls "Picture" "so fucking good." Sheryl explains Kid Rock was the driving force in the studio and live gigs together were unpredictable, but fun.

Dream Supergroups & Admired Female Musicians

[72:38]–[74:05]

• David and Dana challenge Sheryl to assemble her Travelling Wilburys-style female supergroup: Sheryl: “Stevie Nicks, Brandi Carlile, Bonnie Raitt, Emmylou Harris, Linda Ronstadt... there’s a lot of good young female music out there, too.”

TikTok, Relevance, and Pop Culture

[75:05]–[76:15]

• Anecdotes about label pressure to join TikTok, with the generational conflict:
  Sheryl: "My 12-year-old was like, mom, please don’t. That is so cringy."

Classic Comedy, Family, and Legacy

[76:19]–[78:01]

• Light jokes about generational comedy (Chop Broccoli, Joe Dirt, Wayne’s World).
• Plans for all three to hang out in Nashville, do more music and comedy gigs.

Closing Reflections: Age, Wellness, and Longevity

[80:17]–[81:18]

• Sheryl on feeling young:
  Sheryl: “I feel like I’m in my 20s... as far as your listening audience knows, I look like I’m in my 20s. There, I said it.”
• Admits fitness is largely genetics:
  “I’m from a long line of wiry and fit...petite, wiry people.”
• David: "Your voice is still raspy and sexy. And then your singing is still perfect…”

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Sheryl Crow on fame:
  "[Fame is] a real mind trip... I’ve always looked at my life as, okay, how am I going to fuck this up?" [14:03]
• Sheryl on self-doubt:
  "You have to show up and be fearless. But as soon as you walk offstage, you go, 'Oh my God, I suck…'" [31:44]
• On Woodstock '99:
  "Some [excrement] landed on my hand while I was playing bass during 'My Favorite Mistake.' That’s when we stopped." [22:57]
• Sheryl on ambition and double standards:
  "The idea of an ambitious woman is such a turn off...but for a woman to be ambitious, it's still problematic." [45:55]
• On the mystery of creativity:
  "You can't really define what inspiration is, but it is a real thing." [64:37]
• David Spade on 'Picture':
  "It blew the fuck up. Is that possible?" [69:52]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 00:00–02:43 | Opening banter, intro, and Sheryl’s call-in from Nashville
• 03:14–06:45 | Sleep paralysis, supernatural Nashville
• 07:30–09:20 | Hollywood parties, Salman Rushdie story
• 09:20–11:48 | Peer groups, documentary talk, Top Gun, raising kids
• 13:42–17:46 | Navigating fame and the pressure of self-doubt
• 17:46–21:00 | Parenting, tech, and generational change
• 21:00–23:23 | Woodstock 1999 horror stories
• 24:34–26:20 | Breaking into Michael Jackson’s band
• 30:15–33:41 | Fearlessness on stage with legends, creative insecurity
• 39:42–41:38 | Tabloid culture, relationships, and Brad Pitt stories
• 45:55–47:56 | Ambition and its perception for women
• 54:12–56:49 | The business of song catalogs, streaming, and money
• 58:09–61:17 | Legacy, new generations, and The Beatles
• 64:03–65:14 | Magic of creativity and inspiration
• 66:42–68:06 | SNL memories, post-show self-loathing
• 69:18–72:18 | "Picture" with Kid Rock and karaoke canon
• 72:38–74:05 | Assembling a female supergroup
• 75:05–76:15 | TikTok, pop-culture adaptation
• 80:17–81:18 | Wellness, longevity, and closing jokes

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Closing Tone

The conversation is warm, self-deprecating, and occasionally poignant, mixing industry insight and life lessons with comedic timing and affection. Sheryl emerges as authentic and grounded, balancing stardom with relatability. Both Dana and David elevate the banter with sharp wit and heartfelt curiosity.

Sheryl Crow:
"Hey, this is the best podcast I’ve ever done, ever." [78:28]

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For listeners and fans, this is a must-hear dive into not only Sheryl Crow’s remarkable life, but the quirks, struggles, and joys of everyone who works in the trenches of entertainment.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Where do you keep your shillelagh?

[A]

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[A]

To introduce people to episodes we've done before and one of our favorites, if you. You're going to hear in a second is Cheryl Crow. Right, David?

[B]

Oh, yeah, Cheryl, who's kind of a friend of the show. I knew her a little bit from being a huge fan and then we had the same friend circle for a little bit. So I saw her and she's also good friends with Courtney Cox and those girls and super fun, super talented and I think she's on tour now with Willie. I just saw her on some flyer. This just sounds very cool. Something I would definitely go to, but I've seen her played Irvine. We dig a little bit with her because we like to have Musicians on sometime. I love music and Dana loves music, and you can play music. And so it's more fun, probably for you to dig into. Someone knows what they're talking about.

[A]

And she called us in from Nashville.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So that was kind. Kind of cool. And there are some fun parts when you talk to a musician and a songwriter and a singer who can really do that and who she thinks are the best people in history to have done that, you know, and so that's always fun to hear their take.

[B]

And we interviewed her on Zoom, and she was, like, in a garage with maybe a hundred people.

[A]

Guitars, guitars. I know.

[B]

Remember that?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. It was stunning looking. So anyway, enjoy.

[B]

This lovely lady, Cheryl crow.

[C]

It's been 3,000 years since I've seen either one of you.

[A]

Hi, Cheryl. Weren't you at the 40th? You were at the 40th, weren't you?

[C]

Yes, I was. I was.

[A]

So that's when we last saw each other.

[C]

When was that?

[A]

2016.

[B]

I think that was 40 years into SNL.

[C]

I know. It's. It feels like.

[B]

Yeah, Cheryl.

[A]

Cheryl Crow is with us. I just like to say this, 32 Grammy nominations, nine wins and 50 million albums there just to re.

[B]

Remind everyone what the fuck is going on right now.

[A]

Yeah, Cheryl, let me put on my.

[C]

Glasses so I can see you. Okay. Yes. You both are looking very well. I'm sorry that your listeners can't see us visiting with each other through our camera screens.

[A]

I know. Even though this is all audio, I spent about 45 minutes on my chair and lighting and stuff. I don't know why.

[C]

Oh, I. I spackled my face.

[A]

You got your guitars back there. The hair's looking great.

[C]

Oh, Dana.

[B]

Dana. Looks like he's in solitary confinement, people.

[A]

This room is empty of a void. But my son had all my son's models and little army men are in a plastic container, and the laptop's on top of it. So it's very nostalgic when I do this. He's 28 now, but now I know what.

[C]

Dana, what is that room that you're in that has no art on the wall?

[B]

Are you. Is it. Everything must go personal.

[A]

I have sleep paralysis. So I have to sleep in an empty house because they'll come for me. I have it. Yeah.

[C]

Okay. I have sleep paralysis.

[A]

How often I have not had it.

[C]

In a while, but now, for a long time, I would have it almost every night, and I would have it periodically through the night. And what's weirder, and I don't know if you have this. I'm sure this is so interesting to your listeners. Do you ever have sleep paralysis on an airplane?

[A]

No, I can't sleep on an airplane because I'm too terrified, no matter what. Even I just watch the computer and check the violence. But. So you go to sleep on an airplane?

[C]

I sleep like a damn baby on an airplane.

[A]

Well, if you had any other. Sleep paralysis is basically, you feel like something's attacking you invisibly in the night or there's a weight on your chest. It's like a waking nightmare, kind of.

[C]

You can't wake yourself up and yet you think that you're awake. Like, you see people in the room moving and you're trying desperately to get them to wake you up. You're paralyzed.

[A]

Yes. You can't move. And the thing that got me, I was. It's the first time. San Ysidro Ranch in Montecito, whatever. You know, lifestyle's rich and famous and just woke up. Or I was. Had that pressure on my chest, like something was crawling on top of me. And then I kind of went, okay, that was a dream. Use the restroom. Went back to bed, felt I was as awake as I am right now, and then came back again. Yeah, but now I talk to it. It's never harmed me. I don't know if it's a spirit thing or something, but.

[B]

Dana, then what did you do?

[A]

I beat the shit out of it.

[B]

No, you left, didn't you?

[A]

Well, my wife was sound asleep, so I turned to her and said, we have to go now. It's three in the morning. We have to leave immediately. And she's a keeper. She's a keeper because she didn't even blink. She's like, okay, okay, honey.

[C]

Yeah, it's okay, honey. See, I thought it was just mostly in women. The women in my family have it. My mom has managed through the years to figure out how to get my dad to wake her up. And she does it by singing.

[A]

Oh, interesting. Well, you're in Nashville. Isn't that full of ghosts out there? That's kind of. Isn't it? Full of ghosts? Like old country singers and stuff? I mean, walking around in the night? Yeah.

[C]

Civil War. Lots of Civil War ghosts in Franklin. Oh, it's never a dull moment down here. And we live in the rainforest.

[B]

Except for when Cheryl was in Guitar Center.

[C]

It does look like Guitar center in here.

[B]

She has 30 guitars behind her. Cheryl, I've been to Smashville, and next time I go there, I'm gonna make you come down to the Ryman and watch Me Bomb.

[C]

I'm so mad that you've been here and not me. I take it very personally.

[B]

You know, the last time I saw your. But you lived somewhere in the canyon.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

If you had some beautiful house, it was like a couple of houses right.

[C]

Next to Runyon Canyon.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

And I won't give you the address because somebody else that's kind of high profile lives there now. However, that being said, I used to have wild parties at my house. And I don't know if you remember this and this. I've only been thinking about it lately because of Salman Rusty being in the news. Not to mention we just played Chautauqua, but so I'm sure you know what happened to Salon Rushdie. So Minnie Driver and I decided this is years ago. I'm trying to think of what year it would have been.

[B]

Salman's usually my plus one at parties.

[C]

He is. He's. He is. He is fascinating. Anyway, we said, let's have a New Year's Eve party together and you can invite 40 people and I'll invite 40 people. And that was going to be it. And by about 11 at night, there must have been 800 people in my house. And one of them was Salman Rushdie. And it was right after his book had come out and there was a bounty on his head.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[C]

And I'm just like, really? Is somebody going to get killed here tonight? What's happening? Oh, I miss Hollywood.

[B]

Your house was like. Was it a bunch of little houses or am I crazy?

[C]

Yeah, there was a big old Spanish house. And then across the driveway, which is the house I bought, and then right across the driveway on the same property were two other houses that were really old. One was built in the 19 early 1900s, and the other one was built in 1887. And the guy who lived in those, who had those two properties and the 11 acres wound up selling it to me for. He just needed to get out and kept lowering the price and lowering the price. And so I wound up with all three houses. And it was just compound magical. But once I adopted my boys, I just didn't want to live in LA anymore.

[B]

Dana. I understand. Dana. I knew Cheryl Suzanne Crow a little bit.

[A]

You know, everybody. His Rolodex is metaphorical Rolodex.

[C]

We used to run around in the same.

[B]

No, we did. I know. And yes.

[A]

What was that peer group? Was it kind of like the little club? Courtney. Courtney. Which Cartney. Courtney Cox.

[B]

Courtney Cox. And Kid Rock was around. I was around with Kid Rock because of. It was during the Joe Dirt times when I saw Cheryl the most. We call him Bobby, which I don't know, it's kind of gross. But we're always like Bobby Bob. But Kid Rock is a buffoon, is hilarious. And we would all go out and then I would run into Cheryl with all those other people and she was always nice and she was always friendly and obviously being a superstar, but had a lot of fun. She has a great voice and she has a great singing voice, but she has a great voice too. I've heard it and it was fun. I just watched your whole documentary and so it's just weird to have you pop on right after because I finished it this morning.

[C]

Oh, you did?

[B]

Oh yeah, it's great. It's kind of a tear jerker for some reason. There's.

[A]

I have it on in the background right now. I just glance at it.

[C]

It's. It's never a dull moment.

[A]

It's brilliant.

[C]

I mean, I put it up there with Top Gun.

[B]

I put up there a Top Gun Maverick.

[A]

By the way, can we sing Top gun's praises for 10 seconds? Did you see it?

[B]

I did like Top.

[C]

I don't know if I. What? What? What?

[A]

Shockingly good. Like my wife both flip for it. It's like the new one. New one.

[C]

It was so good.

[A]

Here's how I'm going to connect it and see if you guys connect to this. I connect it to Roman Holiday with Gregory Peck and Audrey Hepburn.

[C]

Interesting.

[A]

The reason is a lot of people. It's done a lot, but they did it better than anyone else. You invest in the characters, invest in the story. And then there's seven minutes of Hans Zimmerman soundtrack with kind of people hugging each other and giving thumbs up. And that's the part that get you anyway.

[C]

Wow. Okay, I'm gonna go back and watch it. I dragged my boys to see it because they had no, no attachment to Top Gun. And I was, I was kind of skeptical, but I'd heard how great it was and we loved it. I mean, it was such a good old fashioned plot driven movie anyway.

[B]

How old are the kids?

[C]

My kids are 15 and 12.

[B]

Oh, right in the pocket.

[A]

Oh, okay. Perfect. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

They. And they seriously don't think I'm cool at all.

[A]

It would be weird if they did. Cheryl Crow's cooking me pancakes.

[B]

Yeah, tell them to watch the documentary. They'll see how cool you are.

[C]

Do you think I should let them watch it?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

You're.

[B]

I don't look at it from their eyes, but it's so it shows how tough you are, how hard you bust your ass, how good you are. First of all, everyone that loves is crazy about you. All these huge, huge stars that rally around you, and you're singing with every single one of them. I knew you more like a skim job because when you watch the. I used, you know, when I'd see you out, but we. You know, I don't get into all that stuff. And it's so. I have so many more levels to. Your whole life and career I had no idea about. No.

[C]

Well, you know, I think most people, and I'm sure you guys, too, you guys have stories that nobody knows anything about.

[B]

Like, I'm so interesting, only realized person.

[C]

That'S not, you know, that's not covered in the tabloids and all that stuff.

[A]

I find that everybody has a story. Everybody.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

And way more than you think. I. I wouldn't release mine because no one would believe it. They would just laugh me out of the room.

[C]

I don't know, tease. I'd like to know the story of Dana Carvey.

[A]

Yeah. When I come to Nashville and we go around all the Main street and we go in the bars, we see all the incredible bands. I'll tell you everything you want to know. So my new best friend is Sheryl Crow. I just want to make that announcement and make it clear. So you're the thing I got from the documentary, which I recommend to everybody, it's such a human story, is how hard you worked and how driven you were and then how you like most people. Well, there's certain celebrities I know that are much easier with fame, but how you had a love hate with that and talk about that part of your drive, and yet, why do I want this? And stuff like that.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, I still think fame is a weird. It's a mind. It's a real mind trip. And I didn't really adjust to it very well. For me, instead of it being fun and something I could kind of navigate and manipulate and use to sort of build my brand, which was not the, you know, people didn't talk about brand back then.

[B]

I know.

[C]

Instead, for me, it was pressure. You know, it was pressure, and it was a source of my. I mean, I've always looked at my life as, okay, how am I going to fuck this up? Or, you know, that's just how I've always. I've always been sort of uber critical of myself. I don't know why, but. And so fame was just one more avenue for me to. To. To Fall short or embarrass myself or, you know, it becomes this thing. Like, suddenly you're invited to the party and you're like, with all the cool kids. And then you get this weird panic that, when is this gonna stop? And, oh, I wasn't at that event, or I should have been at that, or I wasn't included. It's just like. It's another level of panic for. It was. For me, at least.

[B]

Cheryl, I get re reminded all the time. You were saying it in the documentary. You're saying it now. I would. Like, in tiny ways. You get re reminded. Like, you go to the Golden Globes and you're sitting eight rows back where you were the year before, and you're like, is it.

[A]

Is that part. It's kind of funny.

[B]

Or there's so many little things you keep getting checked, like where you are on the Food Chain and Vanity Fair party. They invite you at 9 or 1am you're like, wait a second. Yeah, does that matter? And they're like, well, you can't go and you can't bring a plus one this time. And. Or you can. And all that stuff is. Someone's in a room deciding your fame level.

[C]

And they're all. All the pictures of people on the red carpet and you've like, gone out of your way to look hot and you're not in the picture.

[B]

Or they'll say a press announcement of, like, who came? And you're not in those 10 they mentioned. You're like, oh, okay.

[C]

Well, I was gonna say. And one other thing, I. I find that I still see my name in the press and it'll be misspelled.

[B]

Oh.

[C]

And I'll just go, okay.

[A]

Do they misspell crow or Cheryl? They do a C. Cheryl.

[B]

They can't get any of it.

[C]

Or sometimes it'll be like an E on the end of crow.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Anyway, it's all. That's the part that was. So once I moved, especially once my boys came. And really, truth be told, after I got diagnosed with cancer, all that stuff just kind of went out the window and seemed ridiculous.

[A]

You know, that same thing happened to me. It happened to me twice. Once with a health issue. I had botched bypass, but feels good now. And once when I was picking up my son and he went in for the play date, he's like nine. He comes out, he has a severely fractured wrist.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

It's just like going at a right angle. So he had to drive to the hospital. And in that moment, everything got real clear. You know, Yeah, I read, I read this thing recently based on what we're talking about. And I can't believe I read something recently that would be helpful in terms of getting dinged in show business. The people who criticize you are doing less than you.

[C]

Ooh, I like that.

[A]

Isn't it good? Because like, we would never judge you. We know what the work that goes in. You know, I don't ever think of anybody who's hot or not. I just know they have a story and they're talented and whatever. But do you go on social media at all and look around and David's.

[C]

Good, so I mean, my assistant's sitting over here. I'm totally embarrassed. But first of all, I'll say that my kids say I was born in the 1870s, I am so not tech. But also I, I have nothing to do with social media. That's not true. That's not true. I'm involved in my social media, but I don't know how to go on it. I don't know how to post. I hand stuff to Liz and I'll say, can we post about this, this matters or. But I don't, I just don't do it. My kids don't have social media. I already know how my personality is and there's so much mean stuff on there. I would be distraught.

[B]

So how do you get your kids to not do they want to be on and you, you don't let them?

[C]

Well, my 15 year old initially, about when he turned 12, started begging me for Snapchat. About 12 and a half. And all of his friends had Snapchat. They didn't have Instagram, they didn't have whatever else that you have. What else is there? Tic didn't have TikTok. I know, I'm sorry, but didn't have TikTok. And then is that weird? I am weird. I love upworthy. Like I love that, that I can get with. But anyway, so he asked me for his 14th birthday if he could have Snapchat. And I said, oh my gosh, buddy, you don't have to ask for it for your birthday. So he got that. I mean, that's the weird one because you can't check what they're doing. But there's a thousand ways. Yeah, it is Snake Chat. There's so many ways though, to see all the TikTok stuff on YouTube and.

[A]

We have all the parameters and you know. Yeah, hard to control.

[B]

My daughter is actually grew up. I don't know where you were in Missouri. She is in Springfield right now. Oh, not far. Yeah. So she. That's where she's growing up. And so Brad. Pittsburgh, I think it's nice. It's nice there, right?

[C]

It is nice there.

[B]

It is.

[C]

My brother went to college there and.

[B]

I've tried to keep her there as long as I can in a bubble before she comes to stay in LA sometimes because just. I can tell it's just. It's getting scarier and scarier about. Terrifying. It is for them to open to that world.

[C]

Yeah, but it's kind of that way everywhere. I mean, we just have a. We have a rule that you can't be on your phone, you know, can't come and lay down on the couch and be on your phone for, you know, I'm sort of at a 30 minute. You can do 30 minutes, pick your screen.

[B]

And I look at my screen time, it Sundays I'm on 22 hours a day. I'm like, we can pump those numbers up.

[A]

I know they do. They admonish you, your phone says you're down, you're down this week, you're usage is down. It's like you.

[B]

Why aren't you on it for?

[A]

What's wrong with you?

[C]

What can we do to get you sucked back in?

[A]

Yeah, come on. You know, anger really sells, man. And outrage. But I don't look at it. I get too way too sensitive if I see one negative thing or were you ever funny or whatever they say. I'm kind of bummed out and it makes me mad that I even am affected. But I don't watch anything. I do, essentially. I don't like to see, hear or feel anything.

[C]

Me neither. Me neither. Plus, I'll tell you the one thing about making a documentary when you're 60, right? Sexy, 60, all that. Oh, I'm 60. I turned 60 in February. You see all that old footage of yourself and you, you still think you're that person. And then it comes back over to an interview with you and there you are in the chair and you're 60. And, you know, I don't want to see it. I don't want to like to think that I'm still like in my 30s.

[A]

Hey, I'm up the ladder, looking down at your age, going, not bad. But you're right. How do we compete? You know, we're all so cute. Everyone is essentially all humans.

[C]

All humans are cute, cuter with age.

[A]

In their 20s, adorable. Everybody's really cute in their 20s and 30s. But it's hard to, you know, compare.

[B]

What about Cheryl, Woodstock, Dana, I watched her shoes in the Woodstock one. I watch it because they said you were on it.

[C]

And So I watched 1999.

[B]

That one. Well, wherever you had a full blown mullet.

[C]

I did. I was wearing. It was. Let me just tell you, please, this is a total aside. So I have these wonderful hair pieces I can clip in my hair. Right.

[A]

Nice.

[C]

Not wearing them now, but if I go on stage or whatever and I have clipped them on both my boys so that they'll look like Tommy boy.

[B]

Wait, what?

[C]

I mean, Joe Dirt. Sorry. Joe Dirt.

[A]

Oh my gosh, there's so many. That's all right.

[C]

Joe Dirt. Yes.

[A]

Joe Dirt is a big Halloween costume.

[B]

Yeah, it is a. It is a look.

[A]

That's cool.

[C]

Oh my gosh. I love it so much. But yeah, that documentary, 1999, the Woodstock is. I watched part of it on the airplane a couple of days ago and I had to turn it off. It was so disturbing. And I remember it. I remember how awful it was.

[B]

Was it scary for you? Because it got scarier. Like by the time Jewel got on and stuff, it was getting closer and closer to that whole. I remember hearing about it, but when you watch how everyone went bananas, it must have been. I can't believe who would stay. You know what I mean? It was so bad.

[C]

Yeah. I don't know. It is interesting that people did stay. It almost felt like they couldn't leave. But it was. It was debauched from the beginning because we were on the first day and we. You could look out and you'd see all these girls who were topless on guys shoulders, you know, trying to get the MTV camera to sweep around in front of them and get on TV and. And they were already throwing shit from the outhouses that were not set up right. That were leaking. And at what point? Some landed on my hand while I was playing bass during my favorite mistake. That's when we stopped. We played about four songs and I. I rem. Not. Not.

[A]

Not gonna do it.

[C]

Not gonna do it. Wouldn't be prudent.

[A]

Set me up. I don't normally do characters on the podcast, but. Not gonna do it. Feces on the base. Bad anyway. Well, that's. That's a good gig story. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah, I've got a few of those. That. That was a highlight, though. We went on after Andy Dick, so that tells you what the vibe was.

[A]

Yeah, that's.

[C]

He went on after Insane Clown.

[B]

Oh, who was going after them? Jesus.

[C]

We were like, is this our. Is this our crowd?

[A]

What'd you open with? You Come out with a rocker. How'd you try to follow Andy Dick?

[C]

I think we came out with if it makes you happy. I mean, that was our weapon.

[A]

But that is a weapon.

[B]

Wow. Is that your. Is that your one to go to?

[A]

You have. So you have a lot of anthems. You have a lot. A lot of anthems.

[B]

God, look through her. I was like going, look at that song. Oh, my God. Because I love leaving Las Vegas. And it came up my itunes the other day knowing. And it was without my phone knowing. I was, you know, we're gonna talk this week.

[C]

Or did it?

[B]

Yeah. Did it? Yeah, that's really the question. And that was. That's a monster at that beginning. Bass and great song is a huge story about it in your documentary. And then also. And then you keep going and going. Your first Letterman backup for Michael Jackson, just getting that. You kind of skimmed over that. In Audition for Michael Jackson. How in God's green earth did you sneak in an audition where they didn't go, your name's not on this list. You were just cute. You ran in and said, I'm next.

[C]

It's weird. I did a few sessions out there with. I started to get a little bit of work singing jingles, you know, the songs that are in commercials for those that don't know. And I think because I was the new kid in town, I started to get some work and started getting hired and was on a couple of sessions with the same guys. One of them was Darryl Finesse, who's fantastic singer. And actually it was for John. One of them was for Johnny Mathis. And I overheard him talking to another singer about the Jackson tour. So I asked about it, and you had to be recommended by Bruce Sweden or Quincy Jones or Rod Tempered In. And of course, I didn't know any of those people. I think I'd been in town maybe six months when I first started getting work. And I found out where it was and I drove out. It was at a rehearsal space, I want to say, sir, but I don't think they have that in la. I can't remember what it was called. Drove there and thought, well, what's the worst thing that can happen? So I went and I knocked on the door and they let me in. They asked me what my name was. I said, I'm Sheryl Crowd. I am not recommended. But I overheard Daryl Finesse. I mean, I told him straight up, it's good.

[B]

You threw in some good stuff.

[C]

And they said, well, come on in. And they put me on video first. And I Said, hey, Michael, my name is Cheryl Crow. I just moved here. I was elementary school teacher. I'm out here doing sessions and would love a chance to go on the road and sing back up for you or whatever. And then I got a call from Daryl and he, he put me with a couple other singers and we went in and sang together and they hired us.

[B]

Now, was this supposed to be backup or were we supposed to sing backup singer? That's the whole idea. Okay, no backup singer, but you eventually were doing stuff.

[C]

Well, he had two, two or three songs that featured females. Like one of them was man in the Mirror, which was Saida Garrett on the record. Yeah. Oh, and I Can't Stop Loving you was also. Was that also psychedelic? Yeah, that one.

[B]

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[A]

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[C]

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[B]

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[A]

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[C]

Mick Jagger was. I mean, he's. He was far more terrifying, for sure. I mean, I'd grown up with that guy, right? I had grown up with the sticky finger and unzipping the zipper. I mean, they were, like, dangerous, like, edgy, and they had all this folklore around them, you know? And by the time I got to sing with them, I mean, I'd seen them live a handful of times. I mean, that was like. That was the bomb. I was so afraid, and I threw up all day. I was a nervous wreck. And I think I even talked about the documentary about Bobby Keys handing me a bottle of tequila right before I went on have a shot of courage. And the next thing I know, I'm out there with them. And. Yeah, I mean, it's a funny thing. And I know you guys know this, too. It's like you have, you have this side that has to show up and be fearless. But then you also. I don't know if you guys are like this. As soon as you walk off stage, you go, oh, my God, I suck. Or I sucked. Or that was. I want to do it again. I wish I could. You know, and it's, it's that. That sort of balance between stepping into it and then coming away from it and being able to just put it away without rehashing it with your. With all the voices that are in your head that tell you you suck.

[A]

Do you. I sometimes do it later on. I mean, when you came off from Jaeger, really in that moment, did you think, I just sucked or did you feel kind of cool? Obviously the first faces are crew guys or whatever, and they have a range of compliments. Hey. And sometimes they'll change it mid word or nothing. Hey, that was really.

[C]

Or nothing.

[A]

That was really good. You know, they go through, you get these little messages and then if you get someone really high, bro, you crushed it. You crushed it.

[B]

You know?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And then later, hours later, I would think, ah, fuck, I missed that. I rushed that. So that.

[C]

It's a funny. You know, it's a, it's a funny thing. That was such an out of body experience that I. It was hard to even relate to it and then compound that with. I mean, literally, we were. We didn't even have a hit yet. I mean, all I want to do had come out and it was starting to happen, but I couldn't even process it. But, you know, my nature has always been to not think I'm good enough, you know, And I guess that's part of what propels you to work so hard, is that you feel like whatever you're doing is never as great as the Rolling Stones or never as great as Stevie Nicks or not even as great as you think you should or could be. And it's taken me years, really, to grapple with that. And, you know, there's also, you know, you talk about the mental challenges that go along with being an artist or somebody who puts themselves out there that shows up. You know, I spent a little time with Robin Williams, the years. And you look at somebody like that who can open himself up and be so beautifully funny and so just seemingly happy. Yeah. But then in their real life, you know, they're struggling and that's. That's the story of a lot of us.

[A]

I got to know Robin quite a bit. I knew him since the 70s and I got to know him when we were both up here in Marin county for the last five years. And part of what I feel about him is his shyness and his vulnerability. He would call me boss. He was my idol. And then his powerhouse on stage. And really he created this idea of a Shakespearean actor just showing up. And it was just a brilliant concept of like, oh, hey, who? And you never knew where he was gonna go. You know, one thing I wanted to ask you, Cheryl, but David's gonna ask question first. Go ahead.

[B]

No, I have a question about what to say to people when they get off stage. So I did the God, why do I think you were here? Andrea Agassi charity in Vegas. Maybe you weren't there. So it's just.

[C]

I might have been there.

[B]

All these stars go on, right? Okay, yes, it's comedy. Yeah, it was me. I was at the table with Ray Romano. I thought you were my tape. Why do I even think this? Anyway, I was there. Okay, so you were there. Okay, yes.

[C]

That's the night I met Lance Armstrong. Okay, carry on.

[A]

Interesting.

[C]

My next question, that's part two of the interview.

[B]

Okay, I'll whiz through this story first because this one sucks. So there, there's. So they go, ray's there and. And you're there. We're all this tape, whatever. They go, okay, you're gonna go up then Cheryl, then remember? So I have to go up before Ray and I go after. Do you remember there was like an 11 year old phenom singer from like American Idol or something?

[C]

Yes, I do.

[B]

So I go, she's only doing one song or something, so I'm waiting in the wings and she goes up and she does like, I will always love you or something. And she gets a standing ovation. And she walks off and I go, hey, get him next time. And then she goes, what? Because I had to get in her head, Cheryl, because you know what? She blew me off the stage and I hate. I couldn't follow her. So I'm like, hey, tough crowd, huh? And she's like, what?

[A]

I love your honesty. I love 11 years old.

[B]

I gotta get in there and let her know what the. What's going on, man.

[C]

And so then I went on therapy.

[B]

Ever since, she's like, didn't I get.

[A]

A San Diego Bay sang again. Isn't that good?

[B]

I'm like, never open her mouth. So then I got up, first of all, that was embarrassing. And then I get up and then I bomb. And then I come down and I say to Ray Romano, just like comedian to comedian, I go, hey, listen, you're next. Listen, the tables are really far apart. They can't hear you in the front, there's kids in the back, there's a bar over here. It's just. It's the worst case scenario. He gets up and kills for 20 minutes straight. And I was like, uh huh. After I just explained why he's gonna bomb. And there's absolutely no way to do well here.

[A]

He doesn't go down for anybody. Have you ever, Cheryl, when I've seen you sing on this documentary and it seems like you. If you have nerves, they never affect your voice. Like, if you're terrified with Jagger, you don't hit a bad note, do you, in the whole thing? I mean, that's just more mathematical, right? You don't hit a bad note.

[C]

That's nice. I've bombed. I have bombed before, I promise. In fact, I can remember doing a tribute. I think it might have been. I feel like Neil Young was on it. I don't know, it was a music cares thing. And I thought I knew the song, but I didn't know it very well. And I got up and literally could not think of a single word and sang practically the whole song, making up crap. And I remember coming off stage and John Sykes, who was the head of VH1, the head of VH1 sang something about, wow, I don't know if I've ever heard that ring. Yes, I have definitely had moments of bombing.

[A]

Oh, yeah. I've had death defined bombs, you know.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I've done corporate work occasionally. I worked a gun show and all these guys were eating steaks with their backs to me and they would just take my bite and kind of look up. But you know, they pay so much. You have to do those.

[B]

Comedians are easy, they throw you anywhere. But I'm jealous of musicians because corporate gigs can be tough and then. But with musicians, you can sort of. Even if you bomb in quotes, you just say yours. You just do your song. The in between is kind of awkward because there's crickets.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But we're doing every line. We're getting feedback that it's not working. It's not. Yeah.

[C]

Oh, I cannot. I just can't imagine being a comedian. And I love. I love the art form. I love comedians and Dave, I've never seen you bomb. You've always made me laugh.

[B]

Oh, that's nice. But you're a sweet person and.

[C]

No, no, that's the truth. I just can't imagine. We did a corporate gig. No, no, no, we did A virtual gig during the Pandemic. And I never done one of those.

[B]

Where you do a concert in front of, like, nothing.

[C]

Yeah, there's no, like, in between songs. It's like, okay, you hit that big last chord, and then cricket. It's like playing in Japan.

[B]

You look over and there's some guy on the side just texting. He's like, works. He's like, go on, do your next song.

[A]

I call it comedy waterboarding. I did one with. With Tony Robbins, and he was interviewing me on the Zoom, and he was so enthusiastic, and he had a global audience and all these screens, and I would do Tony Fauci or something and go, give it up for Dana Carvey. And then there'd be two minutes of music, and. And I would just be dancing in my room, like, no laughs.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, I love Tony, but I was gonna ask you, so you. The one thing about being hard on yourself and you're still around doing great stuff is that we have data now, and there is something about lasting, you know, and putting out cool stuff and the. Seems to me that when you really got into this super celebrity thing, it was when you're already exploding as a superstar, and then you're dating another superstar, and that's when the tabloids went 10.0, right?

[C]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[A]

Definitely.

[C]

Yeah. And, you know, I think, interestingly enough, I had dated people before that were well known, but there was something about that combo that was just.

[B]

It was ripe for fodder.

[C]

Yeah, it was. Yeah. I mean, it's like. I mean, I wouldn't put myself with JLo and a rod, like, way up there, but, you know, a combo like that is. Is. It's too amazing, I guess. Yeah.

[B]

Well, because there was Owen. Hey, how's it going?

[C]

Oh, love Owen.

[B]

Well, Owen's the coolest dude.

[C]

I still communicate with Owen. I absolutely love him. Just, you know, And I. I mean, I've been really fortunate, and I don't really have anything bad to say about Lance at all. I have been really fortunate with the people that I've been with, and I wouldn't change it, you know?

[B]

Yeah. I think.

[C]

But I will say one thing. I did dream last night that I married Brad Pitt.

[B]

You must know Brad pretty well.

[A]

That's a good plan.

[C]

I do know him pretty well. You know, I went to college with him.

[B]

Oh, you did?

[A]

Really? Did the girls all love him then, or what was he like?

[C]

You know, it's really funny. He's a year younger than me, and I was the song or the yeah, the song leader at his fraternity, Sigma Chi. Yes. Really. So I went over and I would work with them with their. Their. We had. I can't remember what was called Greek Week or whatever. So I was like their coach or whatever. But I knew him from campus. Running around. I knew the girl he was dating. And you're always friendly. He's from Springfield, where your daughter is.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

Always friendly. And I've seen him through the years. He's a good dude.

[B]

I swear. He sort of takes an odd beating out there over this divorce thing that never ends. But.

[C]

But he's.

[B]

I've never seen him not be cool to people, not be nice to people. He seems like the most down to earth.

[C]

He is a big. He's a nice person.

[B]

Big of a star as he is. He's gives everybody time. I don't know how he does it and then. But he keeps getting roughed up. I mean, that, that. That's a divorce for you, I guess.

[A]

I don't know, The. The energy around someone like Brad Pitt and I think part of his shyness or reclusiveness, he's not really all readily available. And it almost like Clooney was with Matt Damon and Brad Pitt and they're at some film festival in Europe and Clooney just said, like, he and Damon just disappeared as soon as Brad Pitt showed up. So this is other level of being a true sex symbol and a really brilliant actor is just this 10.0.

[C]

Well, David, you know how that is. Being a sex symbol is very. You know.

[B]

Cheryl, I'm glad you brought them, David.

[A]

And the ladies have a. My life arrangement is a struggle.

[B]

But you know, the truth is also when you're dating, like you were saying, if you date someone in the business, like, you almost have to date someone like an Owen because like that song even says, are you strong enough? Like, first of all, the tabloids don't care when you date a normal person. So it's not as big of a deal. And people think you're not even dating. They don't know what's going on. And then they only jump on it if it's someone they know. And they. And like together it equals like five stars. It's like two celebrities equal five. So it's like you see these people on like reality shows together, they make one actual star. So that's why they always date each other. Someone from the Bachelor dates someone from this one.

[A]

Well, the cynic kind of thinks, is it. Is it an arrangement, David? Is it sort of like, hey, let's date for three months. Well, some of those explode. You two should get together for six.

[C]

That's why I'm going to marry Brad Pitt, because I feel like that'll put me actually at at least a five.

[A]

Oh, you'd be huge.

[B]

You would be two guys. People couldn't deal with it.

[A]

That, that'd be, that'd be crazy.

[B]

I love my life.

[C]

I don't. I don't want to get married. I. I love my life.

[A]

You don't want to get married. That's crazy.

[C]

No, I would just want to sleep around.

[A]

Yeah. All right, now let's unpack the last part of our podcast.

[C]

I'm gonna make sure my kids listen to this podcast.

[B]

Yeah, good.

[A]

Hey, you know, women should own their sexuality.

[B]

Should be able to do that too.

[C]

They should. But I gotta be honest with you. Nine o' clock at night. Yeah, I'm like, that's like, yeah, that's REM sleep for me. At 9:30, I'm out.

[B]

If the guy's ready to rally from 8:50 to 9. If it's not in that window, beat it.

[A]

Yeah, I don't. I'm a future. During the pandemic, I just went to bed early, got up early. It's hard for a nightclub performer when you get up at 5:30 and the show's at 10 that night. You have to wait 10 hours. But yeah, I like doing this Dana in Vegas.

[B]

Me and Dana did this show and I do it usually. Then he covered for me once and he's like, this thing's at 10, dude. I know, I know. And then we do a Q and A at the end. So it's at like, you get off by midnight. I go, is that, that's too late, right? And he's like, yeah. And I go, yeah, what am I doing?

[A]

I like seven o' clock shows. I really, at this age, I just like, I don't want you party.

[B]

You also could say, oh, yeah, no, I won't ask you about this, but ask me anything. No, it's not that exciting. I know. I'm not, I'm not, I'm. I, I first of all, like that when in the special when you said driven is sort of a negative to women, but I think that it's nice in this day and age when no one really seems to want to work or work hard, that that seems like a trophy to say I was. You know what I mean? You wear it like a medal. Like I'm driven, meaning I actually want to bust my ass and try really hard. To get in a business where it seems like every year that goes by that that's not how it works anymore. People want to be given things or people want to jump ahead a lot easier and they don't want to work or they don't have to work. And so I love watching that when people put in the hours because it is a hard job to get right. And if you take it seriously, whether it's standup or that or any sort of writing, you write and do it all and you perform that, that's like something to be so proud of. And it's weird when people give it to you. Like it's a negative. That's a hard thing to take.

[C]

Yeah. I think for women, you know, the idea of an ambitious woman is such a turn off. Like for instance, you know. Well, it's like a woman gets called like a. Yeah. You know, I can remember when. I mean, this goes way back, but what was the woman. Oh, my gosh. Who ran for president years ago?

[A]

Sarah Palin, Vice president.

[C]

No, no, no. This is way, way. I want to say Kafara, but it's not that. But anyway, about. There was always a discussion about her, how ambitious she was and how unlikable, you know, that kind of thing. And I don't know, I still find that is problematic when you have ambitious men. And it's such an admirable trait. But for a woman to be ambitious, and let's face it, you know, if you are the head of a company or if you're a politician or a successful woman in general, you have some ambition. And that ambition is fed by, hopefully, the desire to be really good at something and the love of doing that something and that, you know, that's positive. That question you were just asking, David, about people not wanting to work hard. I mean, even in raising my boys, I keep having to say to them, look, if you're going to do this, you want to dedicate your energy and your time and you're blessed to have resources to be good at this thing that you love. Because it's not all about the end product. And it's. I don't know where we're off. Like, where. When I was growing up, everybody was middle class. There was no, you know, people weren't rich. And so I grew up idolizing all these amazing musicians and bands. And I felt like I didn't. It wasn't about being famous, it was about being great. You know what I mean? So I don't know where we're off. I guess it's really easy to. To be famous. And it's really easy to get rich.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So nobody really wants to. They don't equate work with becoming famous or work with becoming rich.

[A]

It just changed. And it's not anyone's fault. But we. When you were really. When you're on television as Frank Sinatra or whoever or Stevie Nicks, they were just really great. And now because of social media and instant hits and stuff, and it's very demoralizing for young people when they see. And I do a joke, a guy who opens pickles jars and is making seven figures. All right, my name's Steve. Today we're going to open some nice deals, you know, and he's making seven figures on YouTube. Yeah, YouTube and monetization. Yeah, he's good.

[B]

You know, you know me on the go.

[A]

You are on the go. And what's. How do you keep going? I mean, that's the. How do I keep this energy up? Positive all the time.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

Interesting enough, this comes back to you. So the corporations of the big music publishing companies are now buying artists catalogs. They obviously got Springsteen, they got this. They're not so much buying the more modern product because these anthems, these big songs really monetize well going generationally, you know, like your hits, you know, could are just right here, right now strong enough. I mean they're just if it makes you happy, all those. So have you, have you been approached or have you sold your catalog?

[C]

Well, I sold my catalog, not my songwriters, but I sold my catalog about three albums ago because everything was going to streaming and we were approached with the idea that they would start getting placement so that the songs would be heard more but I wouldn't lose my songwriters. So I didn't get the giant chunk that like a Springsteen or Bob Dylan or whatever.

[B]

What does a songwriter mean though? What do you mean?

[C]

So you get paid for the, you get paid publishing and you get paid your songwriter. So I split my songwriter with whoever I write my song with and if I don't write it with somebody, then I take 100% of the songwriters, okay, fee or whatever the money that comes in. So when it goes through ASCAP or BMI or wherever it is, some of it goes to the publishing company, some of it goes to the songwriter. But it's interesting now because everything is streaming. You know, we make a penny or maybe two pennies every time a song is streamed. So how much of a penny do you get paid for the songwriter? It's nothing. I mean 100% of a penny is still going to be a penny, you know, so, so it's, it's all, it's just ridiculous. And I don't know. I mean I love that Bruce and Neil and all these people are making hundreds of millions of dollars. But I go, I don't know. I mean, it's sort of like bitcoin to me.

[B]

Do you mean, like, how does the people that buy it make it back? Because it's. So, is it overpaying?

[C]

Well, I guess what they do is they sell song in a commercial.

[B]

They're out there to try to sell.

[A]

It, to make money, stuff like that.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And that's why maybe the album is kind of over for now, in a way. I mean, you're going to release more like just batches of songs, or you really.

[C]

I'm going to release batches of songs, but I. I mean, that's not for everybody. For. For me, like I said, I'm 60.

[B]

Is the new term batches Pancakes.

[A]

You're going to do batches of songs, like batch one, the Promised Land.

[B]

I liked in the. Dana, in the documentary Member. I think it was toward the end where she. Where she said you came out to somewhere. Maybe it was Bonnaroo. Where's Bonnaroo? In Tennessee or something.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And, and, and, and the people weren't there yet, but by the time you went on, first of all, when. When you said four o', clock, I was like. I was at one of those festivals and it was like, Norm MacDonald went on at noon, I went on at seven. I luckily went on before Tom Petty, which is great, but it was kind of nighttime. They were very weird times. People went on. It was like all day. But you went on, the place was packed. And then you said, this whole new generation, when you went to, I think if it makes you happy, which is one of your big Mongo hits, that they all knew it. And that's cool. That's the coolest thing, is that it keeps going. It's for me, like someone seeing a movie or something, that they. A new generation knows it and you can't believe. How would you even see it? Because that's something people like. People don't listen to radio go, oh, here's a new Sheryl Crow song, or here's an old one. Someone had to tell them or something. And they all know all the words. It's very cool.

[C]

I mean, it's funny because about maybe five years ago, my manager started talking about, and now you're a legacy artist. And I'm like, oh, that's like, okay, I've got my art card. Legacy artist.

[B]

That's what I'm trying to be.

[C]

But it's kind of cool. Yeah. I mean, people's kids have grown up. I Mean, like, I. I know Burt Bacharach, and I know. Yeah, of course, obviously, I know the Rolling Stones. But, I mean, I grew up with parents that played music and all this generation is growing up with parents who grew up with my music. And it is. It's a rarefied place to be. It's, you know, it's awesome.

[A]

Some high school kid today, boy or girl, is gonna listen to my favorite mistake today for the first time and become possessed by it. You know, I mean, I notice in your songwriting, which is kind of cool in. You know, Brandy Carlisle talked about it, you kind of. You're doing these major chords or just this setup, and then it goes in unexpected places. I'm not a musicologist, but seems to go minor or. Weird that the second parts of your songs are so explosively different and the setup is kind of. Kind of. I don't know. I mean, how do you write a melody? Like, that's that part for my. My favorite mistake. Because that's such a cool melody. Weird. Yeah.

[C]

I don't know. But I will say I. I love. I'm so proud of my references. Like, I loved the Beatles so much.

[A]

What?

[C]

I know.

[A]

Guilty.

[C]

Love the Beatles. And that documentary just. I mean, I binge watched it, and then I rewatched the last episode, and I think a lot of. A lot of stuff that I wind up writing is osmosis. I mean, you know, I don't know what it's like to write jokes, because it seems like. I mean, I'm sure you guys grew up with George Carlin and Richard Pryor, all the. All the greats, and I'm sure.

[B]

Same thing. Same thing, yeah.

[C]

So you get a. Like a cadence or, you know, you do what they do for a while, and then you go, okay, how? Now you start hopefully transitioning to who you are, and that becomes your thing, but you're still standing on the shoulders of all the. The dudes that wrote the book. Right?

[B]

You're like a research paper of your favorite people. Then you start turning into your own.

[A]

This is a horrible question to ask, but what Beatles songs kind of speak to you, like, off. Off the top of your head that you really liked? Okay, I'll just start here, there and everywhere.

[C]

I hear they're an everywhere. I mean, that song is amazing. And then you hear Emmylou Harris do it, and you go, that song is amazing again.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

I mean, that's why their songs are so great. Yesterday is one of my favorite songs. Long and Winding Road is one of my favorite songs. Love by John Lennon. Is one of my favorite songs. Oh, I got married to that Good stuff in there. I mean, get back, come together. I mean just, you know. But definitely Blackbird and Yesterday to me are the two of the greatest songs ever written.

[B]

When we did talk to. We got lucky, talked to Paul, but he said, was it yesterday where he says, when he goes, when he brings it in, do you bring it in and go, I got a winner. And he goes, no, you can't. You have to walk in and go, hey, I did a new one if you guys want to hear it. And then he said, Ringo said, I I can't put any drums on that. And then John said, I can't put any more guitar on it. And they said, what if we put strings?

[A]

And he said, no, that was George Martin.

[B]

Yeah, and he said, no, it's. We're rock and roll, we don't want strings on it.

[A]

And.

[B]

And I go, oh, get a little bit of the process.

[A]

Yeah, it was interesting, Cheryl. And we can cut this out if it overlaps, but we did get to talk to Paul and we were both very nervous. I was on the road in Wyoming with my family in Montana. But anyway, he. Once we started talking about get Back, he really lit up. And I asked him, did John ever thank you for your bass lines? That was like a big thing for him. And well, we found our way to come together. And he talked about how John just had one line, here come Old Flat Top, which was a Chuck Berry song he had to pay for later. And then he kind of teased it out of him that he wrote that opener. He said to John, we gotta have an opener. We can't just go right in. So that became. So I go, paul, that's one of the best chills openings of a song ever. And then later on he had said we wrote it face to face because he comes in even though it's so Lenin. Paul comes in with Juan a Cracker. He got juju app. Also Paul, his comprehensive musicality I think just influenced the band. His fingerprints were every like. Because he could do the percussion, he had a four octave range, sing all the harmonies, he could play the. All the keyboards and all the guitars. So anyway, interesting interview and I couldn't sleep for a week after that because I kept thinking of what I should have asked.

[C]

I see. I would have just loved to have been in the room, fly on the wall, listening, listening to you guys interview him. Because that was one of the things about the documentary that me not to be like all woo woo and stuff, but watching them in the room and. And the. The musicality of all four of those guys. Like, Ringo never played anything that didn't feel exactly perfect and right.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

For the song Paul, I mean, everything he played was not just tasteful, but it was, like, unique and memorable. I mean, there was so much happening. His. His interplay, even the tension between he and George, all of. And then the combination of him and John. I know I'm going on. I'm going somewhere.

[A]

We love. We love to talk about the Beatles.

[C]

I mean, I am so. I so believe that there is an energetic component to the universe that. That brings that together. I mean, because there are too many instances where you just go, where in the world did that come from? Or even when you write a song and you go, okay, like, my favorite mistake. I felt that way after that song. I felt like, okay, I don't know where that came from. And also, I feel like it's already been written because it feels so complete.

[A]

Such a great memory.

[C]

There are moments where you go, okay, you can't define what creativity is. Yeah. You can't really define what inspiration is, but it is a real thing. And that, to me is like, okay, that's just.

[A]

God.

[C]

I mean, however you want to define that energy that is unique to you. And I watched that in that documentary. That energy that no matter what was happening between them, it all was part of the outcome. I don't know. I just. I guess the older I get, the more I get into the idea that these things aren't accidents. You're tapping into something.

[A]

Well, Dennis Miller, who's a big Beatle fan, he said it this way to me, goes Carvey. I can understand, you know, Led Zeppelin. Okay. I get Pink Floyd or, you know, you too, and all that, but for the life of me, I can't understand the Beatles. How does that happen? And it's lightning in a bottle. What was sweet about it, Cheryl, and it'll be on the podcast, is that he. He still has this. This love of John. And there was an. He loved that he. You could see them joking around with each other.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Even though John was taking the piss out of him a little bit, there was a bit of a competition going on because Paul had long and windy road. He was on this upswing and had a ton of songs. And John had to bring across the universe to the album, which is.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Insane, mind blowing. It's like a left, it's a right. It's too much. I mean, if the amount of hits.

[B]

You could retire off that one.

[C]

I know.

[A]

If he just wrote here, there and everywhere. He'd be a famous person. But I can see your influence in a good way. But you have your own Sheryl Crow brand. But I think you do write songs. I'm sure if you've met Paul, and I'm sure he's a fan of your music, that's pretty trippy, right?

[C]

I don't know. I don't know if he is or not, but I did. It's kind of funny. I did meet him when I was doing Fallon in the NBC building. And it's funny because I have so many memories. I mean, certainly from doing Saturday Night Live.

[A]

Oh, that's right.

[C]

Being in that building and getting to.

[B]

Meet people, you know, Three times on snl. Cheryl Crow.

[C]

Three times on snl.

[B]

That's a hard one to do. They have so the choice of anyone at all times. And to get asked back, I had.

[C]

To sleep with Lauren, like, 11 times.

[B]

Oh, I've been there.

[A]

What did Lauren say to you?

[B]

I'm still sleeping with him. I don't know why. I don't even know. Just I'm in the habit.

[A]

So you'll be doing if it makes you happy. And that'll be your first maybe something.

[B]

We'Ve heard of, maybe. Second song. You pick. Dealer's choice.

[A]

Here's what Paul said to me about you, Cheryl. You know, I go, paul, who do you like contemporary? Well, you know, I like Cheryl Crow. You know, she's good. She's got. She's got a good thumper. She's got a good, you know, Basie and goes. Guitars and harmonies. She's a big vocal. A big voicer. Sorry, that's.

[C]

You didn't say that.

[B]

Don't. She's freaking out.

[C]

Don't say I'm freaking out. Just going, oh, my gosh, I'm sure he loves you. I wish I would have recorded that and then posted it. Like, he actually did say that.

[A]

You know, if it makes you happy, why are you so sad? You know, it's one of those turns John and I would do. It's like a big old chorus, you know, Makes you happy. You think, oh, it makes you happy. Happy. Then why are you so sad? It takes the carpet out, you know, and that. What's going. You know, it gets you all really. Jilly, I don't. Okay, I'll do it all day.

[C]

That's incredible. That sounds. That's incredible.

[A]

I do it just to be with Paul McCartney.

[C]

Will you call my voicemail and just leave that on there for me so I can use this not here right now. I can't do it.

[A]

But, Dana.

[B]

Yes. I gotta tell Cheryl before we let her leave and go back to.

[A]

She doesn't want to leave. She wants to talk about.

[B]

She doesn't want to leave.

[A]

She.

[B]

I don't want to tell her that. When I'm looking over these songs, first of all, I like that I'm trying to look at my favorite ones just for absolutely no reason. But if it makes you happy, I like that you work in Mosquito in that one. Because it's hard to get into songs.

[C]

Sorely unused pop word.

[B]

Yeah. It's very, very underused. And I have to say, and this is a dumb story, but when I was with Kid Rock, one of his albums came out. And as we were hanging out more. And he goes, I think he was up against Pink when it came out. I don't know why I remember this. It's probably a lie, but I. So he's driving. You can attest to this. If you're in a car with him, he's playing his album. If you're in his house, he's playing his album. If you're in his anywhere, he's playing a video of himself. So he goes, you got to hear the new album. And I go, oh. And then he played the whole. The whole thing. So I don't know as much about music as you or Dana.

[A]

I don't know. Dana knows a lot. I'm just a fan.

[B]

So he plays the songs and he goes, this one's the one that comes out first. And then this one and this one. And then fucking picture comes on, and I know nothing Cheryl. And I go, that's great. And I go, play that one again. And he goes, it's with Cheryl. And I go, God damn, that's catchy. That is so good. And she's so good in it. And he goes, well, that's going to come later. And if I'm not mistaken, the first two songs did okay. And then Picture blew the fuck up. Is that possible?

[C]

It exploded.

[B]

It's so good, it's sad.

[C]

Which was funny. He said after you recorded it, he said, that's gonna go to number one. I was like, really?

[A]

Oh, that's so cool.

[C]

And he's like, that's gonna go to number one.

[B]

I'm telling you. It pops up my ipod all the time, and it's so fucking good. And you're so great in it. And I just go, God. And I know he takes a beating out there, but he can sing, man. He gets these. He gets It Right. And that one he got right. And he's got a lot of great shit out there.

[C]

Yeah. And how did that happen?

[B]

He knew he had it and came to you, or you had it came to him or what happened?

[C]

Oh, no, he had it. In fact, I didn't write nearly as much on that as he did. I mean, and he's. He's super. Like, when he's in the studio, he is fearless, man. I mean, he has listened to so much great music and can play a lot of things and. And, you know, he. He's really masterful at getting his ideas down. And.

[B]

Yeah, he knows it back and forth. He knows.

[C]

Yes, he. Yeah, he does. And he's. But he's also, you know, very savvy when it comes to what he thinks will hit. And.

[B]

Yeah, you know, it's funny. I used to bust his balls because he goes, hey, I got this. This guy wants me to come play his birthday party. Give me 50 grand to come sing. I go, does he give you another 50 to get off? Because he play we do karaoke at my birthday party. And he goes, maybe I'll get up with these guys. I'm like, maybe it's gonna within seconds. So he would sing karaoke. And then that was for the next three hours.

[C]

I don't know if you ever came down to. In New York. I think it was in the late 90s, maybe. We would show up once a week at Shine, which was a club downtown, and we do all covers.

[B]

And any given night, oh, my God, how fun.

[C]

Mike Mills, Stevie Nicks sat in with us. Keith Richards sat in with us. Anyway, Kid Rock came down, and it was the same night that Keith sat in. And he kept yelling Keith's name. Keith Richards, Keith Richards. And Keith got really mad, like, irritating. He's like, quit saying my fucking name. And at one point I'm just like, okay. I'm not sure how to manage. You know, we're doing all these bad 90s covers. But, yeah, he's a lot of fun. And I will say that Picture, yeah, is one of the most covered songs that karaoke in Laurel. That is, you know, one of my claims of fame.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

I'm telling you, it's an on top of everything else you've done. And then I was looking at this and I go, oh, that's right. Picture on top of all this stuff. So just had to high five you for that one. That's so good.

[C]

Got a high five Bobby for that one.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, he does. I bust his balls all the time. But he. He is good.

[A]

Okay. You know, Traveling woolberries, Mulberries. So past and present, if you were gonna make a female super group, who would be in there? I mean, obviously you would put in Stevie.

[C]

Obviously I would put in Stevie Nicks. Most definitely.

[A]

Super group.

[B]

10 out of 10.

[C]

Yeah. And I would ask Brandy.

[A]

You know, she loves you and she's cool.

[C]

Brandy is amazing. And she's a great songwriter and she's the joker.

[A]

Yeah, she's cool.

[C]

God, who else?

[B]

It's only three. It's like nirvana so far.

[C]

I know.

[A]

Emmylou Harris.

[C]

Bonnie would be amazing. Emmy would be amazing. Linda Ronstadt, I was gonna say. Yeah. I mean, young wise. I mean, you know, the traveling Wheelbarries, each one of them had a huge, full body of material.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So, I mean, because there's a lot of young people out there that will. Will.

[B]

Who's young that you like?

[C]

Oh, man. I mean, I love Marin. She's great songwriter, great performer, great singer. I love Courtney Barnett. She's amazing. I love the high end girls. They're great.

[B]

Who goes on and on.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I love Florence in the machine. She's really interesting. There's a young girl named Cassie, I want to say. Anyway, there's. There's a lot of good young female music out there.

[A]

Yeah. It's hard to break through, though. I mean, there's just. It's. There's just so much of everything with everything is everything now.

[C]

Yeah, it's true.

[B]

What's in your hand? What's going on down there?

[C]

Who, me?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, guitar picks.

[A]

Are you gonna write. As soon as this podcast is over, you're gonna pick up one of those guitars and just go crazy and write a masterpiece.

[B]

You write a song about me and Dan.

[A]

Yeah. Just like podcasting with the lady and Joe Dirt.

[C]

What is it?

[A]

Oh, did you forget how to play? What is that?

[B]

I can't even hear it.

[C]

Well, that sounded a little Patti Smith, didn't it?

[A]

I like it. It had a little punk to it.

[B]

We'll get it on Tick tock right away.

[A]

Cool.

[C]

Please do. Yeah, please get me on Tick tock.

[B]

I know. Is that something they want you to do is like, try to snippet your song on TikTok.

[C]

Okay. So the documentary was coming out and Showtime was really hoping that I would open a TikTok account and do TikTok.

[B]

Is that so real?

[C]

12 year old was like, mom, please don't. She's like, that is so cringy.

[B]

I'm on Tick Tock.

[A]

And it's so I'm gonna join it.

[C]

You know that word cringy, though? Like when you're doing something that you shouldn't be doing because you're not cool?

[A]

It's crazy. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I'm. I'm thinking of joining it though. I don't know.

[C]

You are.

[A]

I don't look at any social media, but I've heard Dana doesn't even look.

[B]

And he gets comments and I have to answer for him because they go, hey, what does Dana think? And I go, well, Dana would probably.

[A]

I don't see look at anything, but I do. From what I understand, the New York.

[C]

You should do TikTok. You would be huge.

[A]

Well, thank you.

[C]

Okay. I'm saying that and I don't.

[A]

Thank you, Cheryl.

[B]

You don't know anything.

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

Well, I was reading it. New York Times had a 20 page article on what is TikTok? So essentially I got the idea that rhythmic musicality is shared. Like you make something like if I did chop broccoli, then other people take it and go with it. So I don't know if it is. If it is about audio musicality catching.

[C]

Chopping broccoli could work.

[B]

Shirt. Cheryl knows what it is.

[C]

I do. I know I do chop in broccoli. Yeah, I've said that in my kitchen to my boys and they look at me like, what?

[A]

Ah, we gotta get your boys up to speed, man. Oh, my kids don't.

[C]

I try to turn them on onto all the good stuff.

[A]

They don't think I'm funny.

[B]

They just show me Joe Dirt and Ben Schwarmers.

[C]

Oh, they're gonna watch Joe Dirt for sure. And they need to know who the church lady is for sure.

[A]

Wayne's words world. They usually Wayne's World.

[C]

They need to know. Yes, they will. They will get them up.

[B]

And then next time we go to down there, we'll make Cheryl come out to the show.

[C]

Hey, would y' all please let me know if you ever come to Nashville? I'm your buddy.

[B]

I know, but I didn't definitely.

[A]

I love Nashville. I. We think about moving there all the time.

[C]

It's cool. Just don't come here and buy a house.

[B]

Oh, California. Come on out to take over.

[A]

Californians. Making the prices go up, that kind of thing. Interlopers.

[C]

Oh, my gosh, you have no idea.

[A]

Montana. I'm from Montana. It's all going on up there. All the billionaires are coming in. I'll take five of those.

[B]

There's a great comedian, Theo Vaughn, one of my good buddies lives out there. So when I go see him, I'll play the ryman and then I'll make you come down.

[C]

Please.

[A]

How many seats is the ryman? I want to go in there and rock that place.

[C]

How much is amazing.

[A]

I think I played it once.

[C]

Yeah, it's 20. Somewhere around.

[A]

I did play it once.

[B]

It used to be Grant. Was it the Grand Ole Opry, or am I being stupid?

[C]

It was the Grand Ole Opry, and before that it was a church way, way early.

[B]

Before that, it was a Whataburger.

[A]

I played it and I came off stage and Cheryl happened to be there, and she goes, that was. That was good. No, I'm kidding.

[C]

That was. So you really went out there, didn't you?

[B]

She goes, oh, they're a little tight.

[A]

Why do we have all this self loathing? What the is going on?

[B]

Here's the one to say, Dana, when you get off, when Cheryl gets off, I'm gonna go.

[A]

That crowd, I'm gonna get in the fetal. You go, wait, I thought I did good.

[C]

I thought they liked me.

[B]

No, they were tough.

[C]

No, that was a hard crowd, man.

[B]

No, we'll get them.

[A]

We'll get them fetal position and cry myself to sleep with questions. I should have done better.

[C]

Oh, no, you aren't. Hey, this is the best podcast I've ever done, ever.

[B]

Thank you. Thank you.

[A]

We love you. You know, she's really good on the podcast. She's very straightforward. You don't have to play any games. I do Paul now. I actually write songs as Paul.

[C]

Okay, wait. When you interviewed Paul, did you do Paul?

[B]

Oh, yeah. Did you do it?

[A]

I did Paul. When you might have done it a little bit. I was a little. I couldn't. You know, I was trying. I didn't want to piss him off.

[B]

But I probably had interview paralysis.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I was like, I'm Dana's Yoko. I mean, there's just so many things you're scared to say to him because you don't. He seems very light on his feet, but you just. He's too respected. You can't risk.

[C]

He's a sir, right?

[B]

Yeah. It's too big a deal.

[A]

We didn't go there with a sir at first. I read a lot of liver puddling phrases, so I said, did you have your brekkie? Your brekkie? But he was just waking up, he had a cup of coffee. I don't think he knew what I was taught. That's breakfast in liverpuddling language. A Scouser, you know, we had a good time. This is him now. You know, we did some things.

[B]

No, he got into it. He got into it toward the end.

[A]

We were getting stuff for me. Cheryl. It was just electrifying. And he wanted to talk about the Beatles the whole time.

[C]

Oh, my God. But I didn't know that at the.

[A]

Beginning to hear it from the guy. All right, so anyway.

[B]

All right, let. Let her go back to Cheryl.

[A]

Everybody loves you. You're. You're. You're a. A great artist. I don't like, you know, legacy. What's that? And, you know, you're in Nashville. You're like a teenager.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, really.

[A]

Country music does not have an age. That's what's brilliant about it.

[C]

No, it's true. It does not.

[A]

You do pop, rock, jazz. You do every style, but you also can do country.

[C]

I have to say, I feel like I'm in my 20s.

[A]

You look.

[C]

And that's why I really like doing podcasts, because as far as your listening audience knows, I look like I'm in my 20s. There, I said it.

[B]

You look great. Your voice is still raspy and sexy. And then your. Your singing is still perfect because I'm.

[C]

Still smoking like a fiend.

[A]

You stayed really fit even when you were touring. I was. I was gonna ask how you stayed so fit throughout your career because usually you tour a lot.

[C]

I have to. I have to admit, it is genetic.

[A]

What?

[C]

Yes, it's genetic. I'm from a long line, wiry and fit, small, petite, wiry people.

[A]

So you don't gain weight. You just kind of. And you work out on stage when you're out there.

[C]

I work out on stage and I'm very. I mean, I get up in the morning and I do not sit down. I mean, I'm. I'm always doing.

[B]

Her backstage rider is five Triscuits in a Slim Jim.

[C]

And that's all I get all day.

[B]

That's it. And one five hour energy. That's mine. All right, Cheryl. Let's let her go, Dana. She's been too nice.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

Bye, Cheryl.

[C]

It's good to see y'. All.

[A]

We'll see you soon, I'm sure, in Nashville.

[C]

I hope so. Call me when you come to Nashville.

[B]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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