SNL History w/ Jason Reitman

Summary

Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade: Episode Summary - SNL History w/ Jason Reitman

Release Date: December 25, 2024

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Introduction

In this engaging episode of Fly on the Wall with Dana Carvey and David Spade, hosts Dana Carvey and David Spade delve deep into the rich history of Saturday Night Live (SNL) with acclaimed director and writer Jason Reitman. The conversation navigates through the intricate dynamics of SNL’s early days, the making of Reitman’s recent SNL-focused movie, and the enduring legacy of the legendary sketch show.

The Making of "SNL History"

Jason Reitman opens up about his fascination with SNL from a young age, explaining how his childhood exposure to the show and his father's connections in the industry ignited his passion. He shares, “[13:05] Jason Reitman: ...I grew up obsessed with SNL... I wanted to know who the people behind the scenes were and how the show was being made.”

Reitman discusses the meticulous research involved in recreating the SNL environment for his movie, emphasizing the authenticity of the set design. Dana Carvey praises the accurate depiction, stating, “[04:14] Dana Carvey: ...he made a set that looked like. I thought they were filming in 8H. It was so accurate.”

Capturing the Chaos and Creativity

A significant portion of the discussion centers on the chaotic yet creative atmosphere of SNL’s production. Reitman highlights the “shuttle launch” essence of the show, where the team crafts a live 90-minute broadcast with only hours of preparation. He explains, “[25:46] Jason Reitman: ...the most thrilling thing I've ever been present for. It's an extraordinary piece of choreography in front and behind the camera.”

David Spade adds personal anecdotes about the intense preparation and the pressure to perform flawlessly live. “[03:19] David Spade: ...she reminds you to gamble responsibly... So this is about SNL.”

Interactions with SNL Legends

The episode features heartfelt and humorous exchanges about interactions with iconic SNL figures. Dana Carvey reflects on working alongside Phil Hartman and Gilda Radner, sharing insights into their collaborative spirit. Reitman recounts meeting Chevy Chase, portraying him with both humor and respect. “[70:42] Dana Carvey: ...He loves to say the thing you're not supposed to say. Yeah. To the extreme, where it can go wherever it wants to go.”

Jason Reitman discusses the delicate balance of portraying these legends authentically while highlighting their unique personalities. He remarks, “[49:44] Jason Reitman: ...just capturing Chevy Chase perfectly and also, finding the humanity. No, none of that play. He's not talking about that.”

Lorne Michaels’ Influence and Legacy

A central theme is the pivotal role of Lorne Michaels in shaping SNL’s identity. Reitman emphasizes Michaels’ unwavering commitment to the show’s unique format and its ability to adapt over decades. “[33:24] Dana Carvey: ...Lorne Michaels never wavered. He really does believe in it.”

The hosts and Reitman discuss Michaels’ enigmatic presence and his ability to maintain a productive yet challenging environment for the cast and crew. “[60:27] Dana Carvey: ...he’s so observant and so smart that he can just see right through you.”

Challenges in Depicting SNL’s Realities

Reitman candidly addresses the challenges of portraying the real-life tensions and dynamics within SNL’s early days. From cast rivalries to the high-stakes pressure of live television, the movie captures the raw emotions and behind-the-scenes struggles. “...there's a little something for everyone,” Dana notes, highlighting the multifaceted nature of the show.

David Spade shares his own experiences of feeling overwhelmed and the constant fear of being fired, which Reitman skillfully incorporates into the film’s narrative. “[12:25] Jason Reitman: How obsessed were you both with SNL before you auditioned?”

Reflections on SNL’s Enduring Appeal

Toward the episode’s conclusion, the trio reflects on why SNL remains a cultural phenomenon. They discuss the show’s ability to continuously reinvent itself while staying true to its core values of spontaneity and satire. “[53:27] Dana Carvey: ...it's a celebration of how this show is actually made and the fact that it came so close to not ever existing.”

Jason Reitman asserts that SNL’s enduring appeal lies in its blend of brilliant ensemble performances and the chaotic yet harmonious behind-the-scenes efforts. “[75:10] Dana Carvey: ...you have to find the fine line where it's not too rough.”

Notable Quotes

• “[04:16] Dana Carvey: ...this is crazy talk.”
• “[25:46] Jason Reitman: ...the most thrilling thing I've ever been present for.”
• “[33:24] Dana Carvey: ...Lorne Michaels never wavered.”
• “[70:42] Dana Carvey: ...He loves to say the thing you're not supposed to say.”

Conclusion

This episode serves as a deep dive into the intricate workings and storied history of SNL, guided by Jason Reitman’s firsthand experiences and insights. Dana Carvey and David Spade, with their characteristic humor and candidness, provide a captivating narrative that not only honors the legacy of SNL but also unearths the human stories behind its iconic sketches and memorable moments. For fans of SNL and followers of Comedic history, this episode is a treasure trove of anecdotes, reflections, and behind-the-scenes revelations.

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Transcript

[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

You know, David, look, listen. This holiday season, surprise everyone on your list with the best gifts, all right? Tickets to see their. Wait for it. Favorite artists live.

[David Spade]

Yeah, listen, I. I go to concerts. Live Nation. I've dealt with them on every concert. They're always in the mix. I went to the Doobie Brothers. I think I went to the Eagles. Anybody that's, you know, along my lines. There's thousands. Yeah, thousands.

[Dana Carvey]

There's thousands.

[David Spade]

They're in the comedy world, too. Don't worry about that. We got, we got a mix. We've got, you know, Dane Cook, who is on the show. Coming up, we've got Mariah Carey. Of course, it's Christmas. Perfect timing. Metallica, like you said. Rascal Flats. Our old buddies, Sebastian, who we just talked to.

[Dana Carvey]

Sarah Silverman.

[David Spade]

Love, Love.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. Trans Siberian Orchestra.

[David Spade]

The list goes on and on.

[Dana Carvey]

It's a cavalcade.

[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. Livenation.com gifts Jason Reitman.

[David Spade]

Dana. Jason Reitman, who is a, I would say a friend of mine and smart guy, a director, writer, just did this SNL movie which sort of fell in our lap because it's right up our alley.

[Dana Carvey]

What do you mean by that? I don't understand.

[David Spade]

Well, you used to be on SNL and 1947.

[Dana Carvey]

No. Yeah, it was. So we got a advanced copy of the movie or so we could watch it at home because we're running around and it was very, very interesting, having been in 8H for 7 years and they made a set that looked like. I thought they were filming in 8H.

[David Spade]

Yeah, me too.

[Dana Carvey]

It was so accurate.

[David Spade]

Yeah, he did a great job with that. Staircases, the actual hallway, the page desk, that whole. And then when we went back to the show, or I did recently, I just saw that again. I was like, God, it was exactly right. He's done some great stuff. That movie is very interesting. Worth the watch. And then he's done Ghostbusters, Juno, which was a smash up in the air with George Clooney, I think maybe Anna Kendrick. And so he's just high quality. I worked on something with him once, or at least we talked about something and love to get involved with this guy. He's just a smart, good guy to hit your wagon to.

[Dana Carvey]

And, and, you know, it was interesting because of his resume and all the stuff he's done. Very successful, but just never lost his fascination for this live, wacky, crazy idea of a TV show that Lauren Michaels invented. Basically, you know, going on live at 11:30, under, rehearsed, under everything. You know, like Lauren's famous quote, the show does not go on because it's ready. It's because it's 11:30. So Jason has a fascination with it and he tried to capture the spirit of that first show, the crazy, chaotic spirit. And so we talk all about that. We break it down, David.

[David Spade]

We break it in a little Microscopic pieces. So here he is. Jason Reitman.

[Jason Reitman]

David, are you still around the corner from me?

[David Spade]

No, I actually moved from that mansion to another one. Oh, okay. No, you live in the nice area and I. Listen, I've hit the skids. I was going to email you about this.

[Jason Reitman]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[David Spade]

Yeah, I moved about a mile away. It's not great.

[Jason Reitman]

Okay.

[David Spade]

It's not like.

[Jason Reitman]

Okay, you should crowdsource something. I think people would spend money on seeing you in a nice place.

[David Spade]

See, Dana doesn't care.

[Dana Carvey]

It's David's world. We just live in it. I'll just say it. I know it's a hackney cliche. So how are you today, Jason? Here's the. Here's the most trite thing I could say to you. Are you looking forward to the holidays?

[Jason Reitman]

I am, actually. I mean, I'm in that, you know, I'm in that place where the movie's out and there's nothing left to do with it. And now I have to, like, think of something else to do.

[Dana Carvey]

Okay. The good news is I saw it last night. I was mesmerized by it and I thought, oh, thank God. I love it.

[Jason Reitman]

By the way, this is the scariest fucking podcast I could go on because I haven't done anything yet with two snl. I'm on with two legends, two real deal who know the show. So I. I'm like, I'm not trying to shine you on. I'm genuinely intimidated by this.

[Dana Carvey]

No, I've never seen a movie like this where I was so. Yeah, you know, it was so familiar. And I got goosebumps at times. I was. Got emotional at times. So I. I was realizing that David and I are in a different lane. We're experientially. It's. It's so familiar. It's different, but it's. And you really captured it, though the chaos of it, it still is just chaotic as.

[Jason Reitman]

So here's the common thing that I keep on hearing back from particular from anyone who worked at snl. I mean, crew, cast, anything. The stairwell. The stairwell between the eighth and ninth floor. And we. We literally, we got that down to like, the exact details, like the handrail, everything where. Anyone who's ever worked there, has smoked in there, cried in there, broken up with their boyfriend in there because there's no privacy at snl. And every time this character would walk in the stairwell, they said they would fuck him up.

[Dana Carvey]

There's a co ed bathroom now, you know, and just one small bathroom for everybody. And it's down the hall? Yeah. So you have to.

[David Spade]

Where is it? Down by Lauren's office?

[Dana Carvey]

No, the other way. It's on 8H, but just around the corner.

[David Spade]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

But. Yeah, your point? Yeah, there's no real privacy. And sometimes in the stairwell, you'll see a rider that you've been wanting to see for a sec, and then you'll have a little powwow right there in the stairwell. Some writing happens there as well. Was that in the movie Jason?

[David Spade]

You know what, Jason? I will tell you just to bore everyone on 8H, when you go down toward the elevators, you can take a left and there's a men's room, but it's bigger. You know, it's got a couple. I would go into the stall, close it in my suit or whatever for Weekend Update, and just go over it. Go over it during the commercial and then run back because I had to get one minute. Minute of silence because everyone's grabbing you and there's noise and there's music and there's crowds and there's other cast. So you go, I just have to focus. You don't want to get out there and look at the cards and go, oh, my God, I don't know this as well as I thought I did or something. You know, Same thing with sketches. So you go over there and cram and then come out and go, okay, more distractions. But they do.

[Jason Reitman]

By the way, I do the same thing while I'm directing.

[David Spade]

You need a second?

[Jason Reitman]

Yeah. Because if you're a director, everyone is reaching out to you at any given moment, and everyone has a question, they're looking at you, and they're always trying to measure whether this is the time to ask you a question. And they can't do that when you're in the bathroom. So I. I use my few bathroom breaks during the day as the moment to, like. I pull out the sides and I go, like, what the hell am I making?

[David Spade]

Yeah. And you forget to go to the bathroom because I go, wait, wait, why did I come in here? I just came in to study.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, yeah.

[David Spade]

But I will say, go ahead, Dan.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, go ahead. Well, just that Lorne Michaels in the movie and in real life is just. Yeah, he's that person you want to get a moment with. And so when Kamala Harris was on the soundstage, which was such an intense. With all the Secret Service and all the energy around that moment a couple weeks ago, they. They ran it, and everyone was so. There was attention because Secret Service and Army men were there, you know, Flak jacket, helmet and night goggles with machine guns.

[David Spade]

Right.

[Dana Carvey]

And I came out of the. The makeup room on eight, and I saw them lined up, like six or eight on both sides, holding machine guns. I said, can I go? Yeah, you can go. And I'm. I'm in the Biden outfit. And I literally saluted them. Not as a joke. It was just like, kind of nervous energy. But we just thought a cast member. I thought, well, we should kind of laugh a little bit while they rehearse this. Because everyone was dead quiet because it got laughs, you know. And I said to him, I don't know if we should ask Lauren. I'm going to ask him. But Lauren was so deep into the whole thing. He didn't want to hear any notes at that moment.

[David Spade]

Right.

[Dana Carvey]

Because he had a lot. A lot of stuff to think about. That was an intense night. So you really. I think you did a really good job capturing Lauren's obsession with the show, you know, basically.

[David Spade]

Especially then.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. But still now.

[David Spade]

And not knowing what it was and not, you know, I. I thought, you know, you could have. I had no idea what to expect. And there's not a lot of just like, set shot. It really moves, which is an understatement. There's tons of throwaway lines and there's laughs all the way through, but they're so run over. You gotta pay attention. And there's just. It's just all movement. There's no, like, real static. Not that many static shots. I did love Willem, Dafoe and Lauren in the elevator.

[Dana Carvey]

Just a side.

[David Spade]

Just a side two shot. I like that sometimes when directors don't not waste time, but go in for, like, this shot. That's just so typical. Over, over, close up, close up, close up, back and forth. I like the things playing, like, you have to just pay attention because that's. You're, like, really watching people talk and you can understand it. You don't need to be close up of them close up. So that I liked and I liked just seeing every cast member played and who's playing him and sort of forgetting it and just thinking, it's the real Chevy. It's the real everybody. Very cool, though. Very cool.

[Jason Reitman]

Thanks.

[David Spade]

I didn't know 90 of that. You know, that first show, it all takes place. If people don't know, what is it? The hour and a half before the show.

[Jason Reitman]

How obsessed were you both with SNL before you auditioned?

[David Spade]

Finally, a question for us. Thank you.

[Dana Carvey]

When I look at now, like, I met Lauren in 86, so he'd done five years. He had his sabbatical and came back. But it still seemed like it was 100 years in my mind because of my college years, watching the original Saturday Night Live. And so it was still like this monumental thing to actually try to get on. And I auditioned a couple times. I auditioned once at the Comedy Store, a cattle call with comedians doing five minutes with no mc. And I followed Sam Kenison.

[Jason Reitman]

No way.

[Dana Carvey]

At midnight, in Kennison Prime, I died a thousand deaths. Wasn't that special. Well, I was going to show you as a director, you must. You know, it's very. It's difficult, but you landed it. You're doing actors or comic actors, improvising, throwaway, doing comedy for film. You know, there's that. To try to get it integrated, so it feels really poppy. But there was some. Some ones that I really noticed that just, like, felt real, felt spontaneous. That was all. Just the. You yelling at them or just one camera.

[Jason Reitman]

I'll tell you how we made it and how we even got into this in the first place. You. I. Look, I grew up obsessed with snl, and I also grew up around some of those actors, because my dad was obviously directing some of them. But when I was a kid, and I would watch it, every once in a while, there would be these bumpers where you would see the crew for a second, a sketch would end, the camera would pull back, and sometimes you would even hear the director from the control room. And it would be like, this actor go here. This actor go here. And you'd see the crew, and you see them moving a set. And the moment that happened, I went, I want to know who the fuck those people are. Like, I want to. How is this thing being made? Because I was obsessed with the concept that on Tuesday you start with nothing, and by Saturday you have a finished show. And right after I directed Juno, my agent asked me, what do you want to do next? And I told him. I said, look, I had two dreams as a kid. One was to direct movies, and the other was to be a writer for Saturday Night Live. And I said, you asked Lorne if there's any chance he'd let me come and write, even for, like, a week. And Lorne was really kind and he said, yeah, yeah, you can come to Space Camp. And so I went. I spent one week there, and it was one of the greatest weeks of my life. And I think it was coming off of that, I thought, all right, I want to make a movie. It's not. It's not as much like a Celebration of the comedy, but like a celebration of how this show is actually made and the fact that it came so close to not ever existing.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Yes, it is. I'm doing it now, just sort of a guest, I suppose, doing Biden and stuff. And yeah, it just. You, you can't prepare for it. You go, I'm going to do a lot of stand up or whatever. You can't really prepare for it because it's changing every second. They throw you out there. You're kind of like, there's the cards. You're trying to be loose, trying not to push, trying to land it. So it's intense. It's just still really intense.

[Jason Reitman]

I mean, that's actually, I was really curious because when I've been watching you do this recently, I go, I wonder if you feel like you're falling back into how comfortable you were back in the day. Does it feel like day one for you or does it even feel further out of reach? Because it's something you used to feel comfortable doing and now you have to jump right in with a new cast, new set of writers.

[Dana Carvey]

That's. That's a good question. I'm actually podcasting on my side. I. I'm on your podcast. No, but that I'm. I'm. It if to me, it's always solving the puzzle in the moment. If it's my character, like, what is the musicality or rhythms I have to hit, what are the chops, what are the. And the first time I went out there, it felt familiar, but it still was. Right as you're about to. They're going to push you out. You're going to enter a scene. There still is. Okay. I'm not on camera to 10 million people. I'll be on it in a second.

[Jason Reitman]

Right.

[Dana Carvey]

I've got this little moment. Don't push. Have fun. So I, I fell into it pretty, pretty quickly, but I still have. I'm not completely where I was when I stepped off in 93. That was another level because you're doing four or five sketches a show. Know, it's hard to a point where.

[Jason Reitman]

Oh, I can't even imagine, like, you have to go an hour waiting for your one a week.

[David Spade]

You know, I'm. Dana's waiting, like if you come back to host, it's the opposite. You're in. I think the first time I hosted, I was in 13. I've never been in more than three sketches. I think when I was on the show, or maybe four, but that's. Dana was always packed in a lot But I was sort of used sparingly, and so 13 overwhelmed me. And now Dana's waiting for one. So all we get, and it's maybe one paragraph, you go, jesus, I got to know. There's no second take if that show. I always say, if it had second takes, it would be so much better. Because if you could just pick from one of the. Because sometimes you walk into a sketch and you're like. Like on a scene in a movie. Sometimes you go, you know what? Can I come in again? You know, I just. I'm not in the right space. I came in a little early. Let me. And on those, you just go in and go, oh, fuck, it's not going right. And we just. This is the one.

[Jason Reitman]

Let me ask you. So would you rather kill it rehearsal, kill it dress, and know. Oh, my God. Somehow I have to replicate how well that worked. I don't know exactly why the magic happened. Or would you rather hit it at, like, 70% address and go, oh, I know exactly how to take it to 100 now.

[Dana Carvey]

Definitely the second one, 70%. It's a horrible feeling when it goes just perfect at dress. Because, you know, you're like, this is.

[Jason Reitman]

Never going to be that good again.

[David Spade]

It's more than horror. It's sickening. Also, you want to be good enough addressed to where you get on the show, because you don't want to save too much, because then it gets cut and you're like, oh, fuck, I really laid down on that. But, you know, some of these sketches, you know, we're gonna get on, there's some that just kill. But you're like, oh, my God, I just hope it does table read, kill rehearsal with the crew, and then dress and then air. And it's hard to keep it going, every single one, and have it work.

[Dana Carvey]

And, you know, for me, it's like. I try to tell myself it's not literal. The cue cards are just suggestions. Because when you get out there and you have this part you have to do, you can kind of just sort of rush just slightly and not really connect with the audience. It's sort of a ballsy move to take a moment or extenuate a beat just a little bit, because that keeps it alive and the audience senses it when you're having fun and surprising yourself.

[Jason Reitman]

Do you get to have fun now when you're doing it, Dana? Because I have to imagine first time around, when you're a cast member and you're. You have no idea what the sky is like. You don't know yet. That you're gonna have success in films. You don't know yet all the other things are gonna happen, that you're gonna be like an all timer. So that's always going in the back of your head of like, oh, is this gonna work or not? I'm wondering for both of you, like to go back now. Does it feel like I am who I am now I can go out and have fun, or is it just as high pressure? I need to get a win. I need to crush it.

[Dana Carvey]

I would say it's both. It's a little bit. I'm playing with house money. I understand that. In the beginning I didn't know I was with Phil Hartman. The Phil Hartman or the Jan Hook. So we didn't know where it was going. By 93, it was feeling pretty good. But now it's still the thing. If I'm doing Biden, I'm trying to get the language and the. And sort of ride the wave if it comes to me. If I'm doing no joke, I'm not getting around here. My eyes get big and I hold that, then it's still kind of the same process. So both things are true. Playing with house money. No, I'm way down the other side of it. It's kind of like you would say to Steven Spielberg, is it any better now or is it any easier now? He's still just trying to solve problems. Is that what directors do?

[Jason Reitman]

How, David, how often do you miss it?

[David Spade]

You know, everything is so different than SNL that I liked, I liked it because I had a good, fun batch people. And I, I'm glad I kind of stayed close with them. But I don't miss as much because it was, it just, I just remember sort of the hard parts and I also remember the great parts. You know, you forget, it's like surgery. You're like happy after, but during it you go, God, it was tough, but I'm just happy it, it happened. And I got six great years out of it and then it got me on something else and I then trying to stay afloat is the next big challenge, you know, because you could do your own show and it doesn't work. And then suddenly all your heat's gone and you're not doing anything. And it just, it's tough. It's hard not to fall off a cliff after it.

[Jason Reitman]

How often are you talking to current cast members about that? How often do they reach out and go, hey, it's all going well. I'm on the show. I feel confident, I'm Getting on every. Every week. What happens from here?

[David Spade]

I think Dana gets it more because they ask him about impressions and what to expect and these kind of things. But when we have him on the.

[Dana Carvey]

Show, I'm with people that are really young.

[David Spade]

Yeah. Right now, he's with people that young that are.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

Some haven't even been on a sketch yet. They're just like, what. What am I doing here? Because there's so many casts, you know, it's very, very frustrating. For sure. I'm sure. I feel for them sometimes.

[Dana Carvey]

50 years in, you know, you got 200 cast members before you or whatever. When I was on, it was really. It was the original, which is probably the best, or whatever the best means or the most potent. And then, of course, Eddie's years in Pisco, and then the Billy Crystal year, then the Stranger. So it seems young and it's. It's history when I was there now.

[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

Right.

[David Spade]

You're making a big step.

[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

I actually recall that. But do you know, Dana, the only time we say each other's names is during these.

[Dana Carvey]

Right. That's what's funny.

[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. The thing about Blue Nile, David, they're committed to ensuring that the highest ethical standards are observed when sourcing diamonds and jewelry. So you can feel great about that, too.

[David Spade]

Yeah. Jewelry is a tough word. I don't know. It is.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[Dana Carvey]

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[Jason Reitman]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

And I wonder when. What, when was it down to like three people or was it instant? Like the gentleman, you know, it's hard for me to connect the names. Like a gentleman who plays Dan Aykroyd.

[Jason Reitman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Landed so well. A lot. They all did, really. I mean, I was laughing. Oh, that's Billy Crystal.

[Jason Reitman]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

I was laughing the whole time, you.

[Jason Reitman]

Know, So, I mean, look, a few things are happening. I mean, one, I'm approaching this as a movie and I'm thinking about this as this is a movie specifically about the 90 minutes leading up to the first episode. So the movie, like a concept from the original concept was always, the movie starts at 10pm with Lorne Michaels out on 50th street looking for Andy Kaufman. The movie's gonna end. Last line of the movie, 11:30 live from New York on Saturday night. So in knowing that it's not about, how do we tell the whole history of snl? It's not, oh, how do we recapture Chevy chase? It's going, OK, who is Dan Aykroyd at 11pm? How vulnerable he is, how scared is.

[David Spade]

He, how confident on the first show, where is he? Right in this moment in time, right.

[Jason Reitman]

Before the world changes, there's a moment where SNL doesn't exist. And then there's a moment where it does exist. It's like a. It's a shuttle launch. It's like it's the first walk on the moon. Where is everyone's heart at? Where is Lorne Michaels when he's actually vulnerable for maybe the last time before he becomes as confident as he is? And what is this strange group of people, some that worked, some that didn't. I mean, geniuses like Jim Henson that have, like, you know, it's not going to click, it's not going to work are in the same room as people who are literally just they. Like I always said, this is a shuttle launch. Like, that's what we're watching. So with Dan Aykroyd, it becomes a question of, you know, not can you do basematic, but rather can you capture his energy and his verbosity, his intelligence and his vulnerability. And Dylan O'Brien, who, you know, Dylan O'Brien's like a heartthrob. Dylan O'Brien was in like Maze Runner and Teen Wolf. And like, you know, I don't think people think of him as a. As a comedian, but understood that Aykroyd's on the spectrum and understood how Aykroyd spoke and. And also understood Ackroyd's sex appeal, which I think no one else did. No other actor came in and understood that, like, Aykroyd could get it. Like, women loved him. That's an important part of who he was. And.

[Dana Carvey]

And so tall, good looking and charming.

[Jason Reitman]

And talented and so smart and kind of willing to play both ends of the spectrum of comedy, of being like uber confident, but also weird. So we interviewed every living person who was in the building October 11, 1975. So not only the cast, not only the writers, but costumers, production design, members of Billy Preston's band, we interviewed Howard Shore, we interviewed Paul Schaeffer. Like any. There was NBC pages we literally got ahold of who could just give us a taste of, like, what was it like? How were people acting, how confident or unconfident were people? And that's what leads to the casting. Not can you nail the Chevy Chase fall? Or can you nail Gilda Radner doing Rosanna Dan? You know, like when you hear a.

[David Spade]

Random story that actually did happen and no one knows about it, just some page tells you, oh, I don't know if you know this, but over by the elevators, then you're like, oh, we should put that in. It's great texture. It's just something that did happen. It's weird. And then because you're moving the camera through this whole. There's always, you know, everyone has to be good because, you know, you got to know when the camera's hitting you for the movie, not the show. But you know, when you're going through the hallways and you go into makeup, then you pan in, you're going to the host dressroom, then George Carlin walks past and you're like trying to catch people going, oh, my God. This is sort of the chaos of it all. It's hard to be.

[Jason Reitman]

The idea was to drop you in it. Like, we wanted the audience to feel. Not like they were being presented a movie, but rather. I just remember the first time I was there, it just felt like, holy shit, I'm here. And everyone's moving past me, and it's people I recognize, people I don't recognize. And being at snl, no one sits down. Like, you're not allowed to sit down. It's just constant movement. And that's what I wanted the audience to feel is like layers of action. And so we tried to give 30 different characters actual arcs, but sometimes they're the foreground, sometimes the background. But literally every actor works every single day. There's no trailers. You're just there. And we rebuilt the entirety of 8H8 floor, 9th floors, all 1, 3, 6.

[David Spade]

Look great. Looks exactly.

[Dana Carvey]

I thought it was great.

[David Spade]

I thought it was real. I'm like, oh, they must have built this. But there's so much shit they'd have to put in here. Like those makeup rooms and the. And the wardrobe and everything and all the things in the walls. And I'm just like, God damn. Because you. It was like in real time one time you moved. And I go, they're on that side. Okay. Oh, they're coming by where we used to put catering along the wall. Oh, they're coming back. So it was real. And that in that respect, like, it didn't even matter, I guess. But it does that if someone knew it, they go. Because I would see, like, Herb Sargent.

[Jason Reitman]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

Was still. That was still there with us, he lays out.

[Jason Reitman]

I didn't realize that Herb was there when you guys were there.

[Dana Carvey]

Certainly.

[David Spade]

Yeah. We took his office.

[Dana Carvey]

Update. Update writer. He's in charge of update. Yeah, yeah.

[David Spade]

And he was, like, kind of grousy, but after about a year, he moved out of that office and me and Farley moved in. Oh, yeah. And then Sandler and Rock took the back part. It's like a small. Two little offices with. With the door between them, but you have to go through ours. So that was four of us crammed, where he had all these papers and shit, just doing update and newspapers. But, yeah, I saw him. I think I told Dana before this, I saw Audrey Pert Dickman I was working with, because she was there with.

[Dana Carvey]

Me, and she was there with.

[David Spade]

No kidding. Yeah, right. And I was like, oh, my God, was she there from the beginning? Because you could see. Was Joe Dixo in? That was Bobby Van Robin.

[Jason Reitman]

Joe Dixo is Day one, in fact, is great Aykroyd. So we were Finishing up this last Ghostbusters movie that I produced with Aykroyd, and I showed him the model of the whole set. And I. You know, I interviewed Aykroyd a bunch of times. And finally I was like, hey, can you give me an impersonation of Joe Dixo for the actor who's gonna play him? And after, he just, like, just jumps right in that doom in it. And he, like, just starts doing the whole thing. And then I was like, what about Davey? How about Davey Wilson? Can you give me Davey Wilson? Davey Wilson. And he starts doing, like, davey Wilson. And like, this isn't gonna work.

[Dana Carvey]

What do you wanna put? What where you wanna use? I don't know.

[David Spade]

Yeah, how about that? Between dress and air meeting, Davey Wilson's got his script out right next to Lauren's desk. And it's that bindered script that says, Sonny, live in a circle. And he's like this. And he goes, well, we're gonna have to jump. We're gonna have to put Gap girls right after. And he's like, I don't think we can get camera. I don't think we can do it. And he would laugh and smile and yell at it. Come on, Davey. He's like, why? You're asking too much here. But I didn't know Davey was there from the beginning. How stupid am I?

[Jason Reitman]

Well, I think there's something about Lauren's. I'm not sure if part of it is loyalty, and you guys know this better than I do, but someone told me once Lorne has the same routine every day because he thinks if he did it differently tomorrow morning, he wouldn't wake up Lorne Michaels. And I thought that was really interestingly said. And when I. The first time I went to snl, I was probably a teenager and just as an audience member. And I remember the fear I felt. And I couldn't even understand why. I'm like, I'm just sitting in the audience. Why am I scared? But then I started checking with other audience members, and everyone felt the same thing. We were all scared as it started to count down. But then I went years later to write for a week, and I got to wander around, and it started to hit me. I was like, oh, nothing's changed. And the more people we would interview, nothing change physically. Nothing changes the turnover of people. I mean, there was people that we were interviewing that had literally been with the show since pretty much the beginning. Like, art department people had worked back from at least episode two or three. So I think there's a Consistency that there's a recipe that Lauren seems to believe in. And I think it's the reason why every other sketch show that's been popular comes down to the few people that were at the core of the cast. And yet there's something about the DNA of the show that allows brilliant people to come in and out of it. Writers, actors, musicians, like anything. But the recipe remains, I think that.

[Dana Carvey]

Lorne Michaels never wavered. It should be an hour, it should be pre taped. We should change the theme. We got to get rid of that song. We don't need the, you know, for years and multiple administrations of overlords, he has stood, stood the test of time. He really does believe in it. And these are the off label things that I don't know, you would know. But basically when you take unknown people and you put them on a show which right now there's unknown people who just got on Saturday Night Live, it's a de facto reality show. You're watching them grow and get confident.

[Jason Reitman]

That's really interesting.

[Dana Carvey]

I, I believe or putting a football player, Joe Montana is going to host a live 90 minute sketch show doing so there's a reality element to it. So it's so compelling. And then the band plays and they break big bands and I got to see Roberson and Neil Young standing there. And so then you have those moments. So I think you're right. It's the DNA of it. And Lauren never wavered. He's right now because I'm watching your movie. And then I'm just flashing back to last week when Lauren would suddenly appear at 8H&was. You could tell he's uncomfortable where the rehearsals go and he's trying to think how to fix it. What should we change? So it's an extraordinary thing that it's a 50 year and going, going, going explodes my mind.

[David Spade]

Yeah. I think people like Jason. You're right about when I like when they pull the camera back and they go to commercial and they start ripping down a set. You're like the set's that small or you know anything you just look, it's more you're learning. You're like, oh, it's right there in the front or oh, that set was over in the corner and they all get up and sprint out. And that part is very cool to watch.

[Jason Reitman]

It's funny. So I grew up on sets and I grew up just wanted to be on the trucks. I wanted to be one of the crew. I wanted to be one of the dudes. I loved that they would say off color jokes. And I just wanted to hang. And when I watched snl, I got a very early feeling that there is a brilliant ensemble in front of the camera. We're all aware of that. But there must be a brilliant ensemble behind the camera that's performing some sort of chaotic ballet that allows this show to exist. And when I got to see it in person, I just, I couldn't fathom how you write all night Tuesday, you do the table read Wednesday, and then in the middle of the night on Wednesday, there's already someone painting a wall, hemming a dress, creating a wig. And then it goes right up to the last second. And it's the most thrilling thing I've ever been present for. And that's what I wanted. I wanted an audience to experience. Like, because it's very easy for people at home to go like, I'm gonna turn around 11:30 and see what they do. And then after be like, yeah, they did a good job, they did a bad job, or like, whatever. And it is an extraordinary piece of choreography in front and behind the camera to pull off that show. And they are constantly bending the boundaries of what can be done on live television. And that started literally with the first episode.

[Dana Carvey]

And I think there are two things you captured really well. One is to your point about the crew, by the time the read through, you got some laughs there. And maybe you're not blocking Thursday, but you're blocking Friday, and you're just kind of. You're kind of going by the crew. And the crew is often just casually kind of. Right.

[David Spade]

Yeah, they're America.

[Dana Carvey]

You're running the lines and they're. Either there's silence or there's amazing five or ten Teamsters or just regular people laughing. And it gives you a little boost, you know. And the other thing was watching the film, I want to give it away for the people going to watch it. You can't give it away because it's tactile.

[Jason Reitman]

You actually can't give this movie away. I, like, I already told everyone what the last line of the movie is, and that's kind of the beauty of it.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, I loved the build up, watching the build up to the tension. Is it going to go on? Are they going to show a Carson rerun? I just love that. I love the Johnny Carson ph call. Whether it's real, whether it's real or not, I don't know. But at the last second, they're either going to go to Carson or go to that what now has gone for 50 years. So you built that so beautifully. I was right in the moment. Even though I knew what the answer was going to be. I was like, God damn, are they going to put Carson on? I'm riding that. I'm riding that train emotionally also.

[David Spade]

Every single person is so invested on the show and the cast and crew to something that doesn't really matter yet. It's. It's nothing. It's also, everyone's pretty defeated in a weird way because most people are saying, this is some dumb thing we're gonna do in two weeks. We're gonna look for another job. And so you couldn't say to someone now, when you work on the show, you go, well, at least we have a job. At least this is picked up. At least it's. There's a different vibe. But then it's like, why are we working this hard for this shit? And I love seeing the board of how many. I love when Billy Crystal caught the board, right? And he's like, holy, what do you. I mean, you can just eyeball it and say, that's a three hour show.

[Dana Carvey]

Like just for the audience. The board today is where the sketches go up and they're honed down. There might be 10 or 12 of them. And, and, and Jason's movie. There's a board in the hallway on 8H, not up in Lauren's office with.

[David Spade]

Like 50 sketches, three musical acts, a magic show. They're like, wait, who the fuck is getting cut? Because you know who's getting cut before you go in? But you're like, oh, wait, that guy was there. And they all treat Jim Henson like. Which is funny, he's such a genius. And everyone's like, get the puppet guy out of my way. And then, you know, and then they.

[Dana Carvey]

Stop putting them in compromising positions. You know, Ben Big Bird over, you know, Elmo or whatever. Yeah, that was funny. One thing I wanted to ask you is like the, you know when you're watching it. And so they're, They're. Right now, they don't know they're on Saturday Night Live. Yeah, like I do 10 years later. Yeah, they know it's late, they're getting paid. They were. They obviously they were found by each other and they're smoking weed and rabble rousers. And they were sort of, they were sort of more aggressive than people would be now. In a way, they'd be more deferential because it wasn't a hit show and they knew Lauren Lorne was younger than Chevy Chase. He was a contemporary appear. So you captured that too. I mean, how much of that vibe was part of your thinking and rebel, the rebellious thing, Especially. Especially Belushi.

[Jason Reitman]

You know, I think it was Rosie Schuster who told us that what it felt like every night was that feeling if you broke into your high school, that if you broke into your high school over the weekend or overnight and you're just running around and like you own the place. And. And that was. That was echoed by everyone we talked to that during the day, Rockefeller center is an office building with people in suits. And then all of a sudden, it's Thursday and it's two in the morning, and Ackroyd somehow stole a set of keys and had literally a key to every door in the building. And they would just go. And like, in the middle of the night, he would go find fun places to go, find places to smoke out. He had found this one shaft on the eighth floor that if you open it, he could, like, exhale into it, and. And that was his way of smoking. But I. What I. What I love is actually the idea that they. They were a bunch of kids and how young they were, that Ackroyd was 23 and Lorraine was 21 and Belushi was 26, and, like, they were genuinely kids. And, you know, I asked Ackroyd, it's like, you know, what were you going to. What were you thinking right before you went on? And he said, you know, I was thinking, I still have a snowplow up in Toronto. So I had a job waiting for me.

[David Spade]

He still likes that stuff. He's still very real, dude like that.

[Dana Carvey]

I mean, oh, my God, he'd rather talk about ghosts and things and paranormal. He lights up, by the way.

[Jason Reitman]

Tell me about it.

[David Spade]

But when those guys come by the show, Jason, when I was there, it's come by like, I had. I interviewed Ackroyd for Spin magazine or something.

[Jason Reitman]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

Like a collab. But first of all, couldn't be more generous. And sweetheart. But it's such a legendary thing when you're on the show and someone that used to be on, that you'd watch comes through the hallways and he comes in the office. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, this one, this is old Herb Sergeant, you know, you know, don't.

[Dana Carvey]

Be in a hurry to leave the show.

[David Spade]

Fair enough, sir. Yeah.

[Jason Reitman]

He has an extraordinary memory and he can. And everything's right on top for him. And that was an interesting thing between people because some people didn't remember anything or they clearly had made up 50% fabricated their history. Ackroyd has an exceptional memory and Will hold to it. But it's weird because now we've shown the movie to them. All these folks that we interviewed have now watched the movie and watched themselves be portrayed. I sat in a screening with Billy Crystal revisiting the worst night of his life.

[David Spade]

Oh, wow, Interesting.

[Dana Carvey]

What was that like? I'll just ask that.

[Jason Reitman]

I mean, what's interesting is. So Billy obviously gets cut on opening night. And Billy Crystal has had about a successful career as a human being can have. And he talks about that night like it happened yesterday.

[David Spade]

It still stings. It has to sting.

[Jason Reitman]

Wow.

[David Spade]

Wow, wow.

[Jason Reitman]

Yeah. I mean, so we were looking for a script from opening night. We kept on asking everyone, everyone we interviewed. Cause there was stuff. There was, like, a sketch that got cut that we always wanted to read, and we just wanted to know what it looked like. Nobody had it. Not Lorne, not anybody. Finally, we asked Billy, hey, is there any chance you have a script from opening night? And he goes, I think I could find it. An hour later, I found it. So we go to his house. He pulls out the script, and he starts leafing through it. And he just goes, there. That's where I was supposed to be. Deeply emotional.

[David Spade]

It will kill me.

[Jason Reitman]

So we scan the script, and anytime someone has a script in the movie, it's Billy's script. Like a physical. Like the physical script. Like, anytime a character is, like, going through pages on scene, it's like in our movie, that's Billy's script that we actually. That we scanned.

[Dana Carvey]

And he went back three years later and then had this killer year with Christopher Guest. You look marvelous. And all that stuff, you know? Yeah. But still, that moment stink. David, for lunch.

[David Spade]

It's almost lunch time. Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Do you have any.

[David Spade]

What are you gonna do?

[Dana Carvey]

What do you do? You know, sometimes I really just want to have fun. I would get, like, a really good turkey sandwich with avocado.

[David Spade]

Or if I really wanted to say the same thing.

[Dana Carvey]

Really.

[David Spade]

Turkey. I just had it yesterday. Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

And maybe a few baked chips. And then you'd want an ice cold Pepsi, which I don't. What I like to do with Pepsi is I fill the whole glass to the brim with ice, and then I slowly pour the Pepsi in and I make what I call a super Pepsi, you know, because the cold.

[David Spade]

It's not that.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, I think if I say it's super, then it's kind of. It's closer to super. Because it's a Super Pepsi. Yeah.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

I mean, that's not a regular situation.

[David Spade]

Yeah. You know, I was Flying this week and Pepsi on the plane. All Pepsi products, casino. I just played every rest and everything. You throw one in with lunch, dinner, and get your, get a little caffeine going. You get the fizzy bubbles and it's fun.

[Dana Carvey]

And, you know, you share it with people. An Austrian friend of mine once said to me, and you know what enhances those flavors and really makes them pop is an ice cold Pepsi. I said, thank you.

[David Spade]

It gives it a pop.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, it gives you a pop with the Pepsi pop. It's better than a regular pop.

[David Spade]

Get a fizzy Pepsi in you and a pepperoni piece of pizza. You know, I've done that so many times.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, yeah, I, I would say pizza and a Pepsi, they sound alike. They, they, they go together. You will lose your mind with pizza and Pepsi every time. Grab a Pepsi, zero sugar for your next meal as food deserves Pepsi. David, and, and comedy fans, I assume you are a comedian and a comedy fan. Guess what? And by the way, the funniest comedians in the world are on tour. And you know what, David? You can get tickets to see them live near you. You're gonna laugh with some of the biggest names in comedy. Otsuko Okatska.

[David Spade]

Yep. We got Sebastian Maniscalco, who's friend of the show, got Santino, Andrew Santino, of course.

[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

Yeah, Brian Regan is great.

[Dana Carvey]

Chelsea Handler and Dane.

[David Spade]

Dane Swartzen, Nick Schwarzeneg, Nick Swartz, buddy.

[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

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[Jason Reitman]

So this is what happens. So I've done two movies about real people, and this is what inevitably happens. Like, you interview the original person, all they want to know is who's going to play them and if they're attractive and how tall they are. And then they watch the movie and they just can't, they can't figure it out. There's just silence after. They're just freaked out by it. They're freaked out by watching themselves.

[David Spade]

It's emotional, thrown back in time.

[Jason Reitman]

It's like, yeah, Billy was really into it. Lorraine loved it. Garrett loved it. I think, I think for Garrett, it really was. I think Lamorne did an extraordinary job as him. And really I did too.

[David Spade]

He really kind of sounded like him. He kind of. That was like, yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

He was on this podcast and is very memorable as one of our favorites.

[Jason Reitman]

I mean, he's amazing.

[David Spade]

I ran him three days ago at that thing and he was sitting there, oh, this guy. He was super sweet.

[Dana Carvey]

Still, you know, I do impressions of people and I. And I do kind of have empathy for the In. In terms of you with these actors. And watching people play them is like, is that. Is that how people see me? You know, it's a little vulnerable.

[Jason Reitman]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Am I missing the way the world.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

So I thought Lauren wasn't very pushed. I liked it. He wasn't like, no, you know, they didn't. You guys didn't do that. It was very kind of thrown away because he's a little Canadian, you know, he's a little. He's got something, you know, that's a little unique to Lorne. And back then it was a little softer. So I did like the guy that played him. I thought he did a great job.

[Jason Reitman]

He's the kid who played, you know, Gabriel Level played Spielberg in the Fabelmans. And so he's now played two of the most iconic Jews of all time. And I think there's something about Gabriel where he has this look in his eyes where if he has a vision, you know, somehow he's going to accomplish it. And I don't think that's something you could teach somebody. I think he just has that.

[Dana Carvey]

That tracks so beautifully throughout the whole film. He was Where's Waldo of the film, the Lorne character, like, oh, what? What is he thinking right now? And, you know, non verbal acting is just a skill set that some people have. I think Michael Keaton's, you know, naturally gifted at it. And Gabriel, he is too. No lines, just looking at a board and thinking, you really wrote it with him, that character.

[Jason Reitman]

I think for each character, at the end of the day, I tried to identify just one thing as far as the casting. So with Chevy was an ego that needs to be humbled. With Belushi, it's a guy who thinks that somehow going on television will be the end of his life. For Gilda, it's obviously the overwhelming empathy, you know, for Charm. Garrett, it was, who am I? Like, what's my identity? Who the hell? And by getting down to that one idea, instead of it being an impersonation, it became, all right, this is. This is the one thing. This is what. The one thing you want in this film. And it just gave him son to chase.

[David Spade]

Did Belushi Really? I mean, I heard Belushi didn't like the Bees. That's true. Right. But did he really have a problem with that? He's sort of a bigger actor than the show. I wouldn't think that of him. I would think he's just a goofball.

[Jason Reitman]

This is what I understood is one, you know, he wouldn't sign his contract and he went missing on. On opening night. And he definitely had animosity with Chevy, and I think the reason was really clear. You know, what was brilliant about that first show is that no one looked like anyone on television. Belushi didn't look like someone who should be on television. You know, Gilda did not look like someone who should be on television. And Chevy did. And Chevy did.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Jason Reitman]

I think what upset Belushi was that when you look at who Belushi was on stage at Second City and in the National Lampoon show, he was a star. And he had found a place where he could 100% be himself and people would respect his genius. And now he was going to be on television and Belushi knew Chevy's gonna be a star. And the network kind of identified that from moment one. And Chevy knew it. And Chevy was like, this is where I'm gonna get my win. That's why, you know, we have this line in the movie where he's like, oh, is this an ensemble? You know?

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Jason Reitman]

So I think.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, also, it was revealed obviously later on, I guess, people, it was obvious in the beginning that you're at home base in 8H. That means you're in the center of the studio. You really can play to the audience and the camera. It's the perfect position to be in where CH was. And then you're going right to the audience and you can drop little ad libs in, you can break out character a bit, stuff like that.

[David Spade]

So.

[Dana Carvey]

And then, you know, obviously he broke so hard. I was just going to ask you quickly about two subsidiary characters that people wouldn't be household names. Michael O'Donohue.

[Jason Reitman]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

And. And Rosie Schuster, who helped me put together Church Chat. So I was interested how. What a big part of that year she was as Lauren's wife. Their relationship was shaky or something.

[Jason Reitman]

Well, I fell in love with Rosie, as everyone does, you know, I. All I'd been hearing was that everyone falls in love with Rosie. And then Gil and I. Gil's my writing partner, we got on the phone with Rosie and I think, you know, we wanted to fight after, you know, after the call, we just felt so head over heels for her. And she was so funny. She was easily the. Of all the heavyweights we spoke to, she was easily the funniest person we spoke to, who, like, just consistently made us laugh and said things out of nowhere. They were highly original. And I think really interested about us, about her, was that, look, I mean, look, this cast is in, right? This group of writers and cast are challenging all these social mores and the way that they're doing television, the way they do comedy. But also for Lauren and Rosie, who their marriage is coming apart, they're seeing other people, they're still married to each other, they're working with each other. That they were taking this 1970s nuanced look at love, where it's like, she's fucking Dany. They're still married, but they respect the fact that they make each other better and that's all that counts. Like, they make each other funnier, they make a better show together, they support each other, they understand each other, and who gives a shit? And Lauren didn't give a shit. And that was really clear in speaking to everybody.

[Dana Carvey]

That was that, yeah, the hippies day or whatever. The new kind of looking at everything, basically days, including comedy.

[Jason Reitman]

And I think that's what's so cool about that moment, is you have a young people who are going, we don't have to do it the same way that anyone else has done it before. And that's kind of what the movie is about. It's about the moment where one generation just rips television out of the hands of another because they say, your time is done. Like, that's why we have Milton Burl in the movie. Like, Milton Burrell is there representing an entire generation of old tv, that this group goes, no, I'm sorry, we're done with you.

[Dana Carvey]

That was a brilliant. Because I read it, it wasn't exactly true. J.K. simmons as Milton Berle is magnificent. The character's hilarious.

[Jason Reitman]

Well, Milton exposing himself is true. He may not have exposed himself to Chevy, but he exposed himself to a bunch of other people.

[David Spade]

I think he wanted that outfit.

[Dana Carvey]

Constantly exposing himself to people, it's hysterical.

[Jason Reitman]

I mean, so the first person we heard about was Zweibel, and he had exposed himself to Cybell in someone's dressing room. And then the more we talk to people, the more people I would find out, you know, even Jeff Ross. Jeff Ross came to our premiere and after he goes, oh, yeah, yeah, Milton showed me his dick. I didn't get May two, I got May 22. That's how big it was.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, I mean, the. To have him in there. And also I. I wasn't quite sure. I may have lost.

[Jason Reitman]

I love when Spade doesn't like a joke. He's like, oh, no. I'm gonna let you know how much I don't like that joke.

[David Spade]

Me just now. No, I like that the guys with the big dicks want to show everybody. That's so funny. My friend used to accidentally send his huge dick picture to girls and go, oh my God. Sorry, not for you. No, that's okay.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, I just think of hydraulics. I mean, there was a prosthesis in your show and it's like you're extrapolating. How does that really get to a place of excitement? It seems like it's just too much weight.

[Jason Reitman]

It's very funny. This is a very naturalistic movie. We shot on 16 millimeter. We tried to do everything old school. There's only two visual effects in the film and one of them was retouching Milton's penis to make sure that the skin color and shine match. JK skin.

[Dana Carvey]

Only. Only in the movies. And as far as Rosie Schuster being there in 86 and being assigned to me, I had a church lady character for my stand up to develop it. I. I didn't know she was his ex wife. And I noticed that she would always call him dear in meetings. Yes, dear.

[David Spade]

I love that.

[Jason Reitman]

Oh, dear.

[Dana Carvey]

I know. Yeah, she called him.

[David Spade]

She was good in the movie.

[Jason Reitman]

Oh, well, Rachel Sennett, that actress is. She's off the charts. I mean, I don't know of another actor who's had as strong a debut. When you think about her first three films, you know, Shiva, Baby Bodies, Bodies, Bodies and Bottoms. I mean, it just lights out good. And she's.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, she's a killer.

[David Spade]

Yeah, she was charming.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, she seemed just in the pocket, totally natural.

[Jason Reitman]

And Michael Adani, who you brought up earlier, obviously is one of the reasons why the show is genius from day one is that again, I think that's this other thing about Lorne is his understanding that a show could hold the tone of Jim Henson and kind of the delight of like a comedian like Zweibel with the dark nastiness of O'Donoghue and knew that somehow this is a show that's gonna occupy enough space where all these voices can live together. And Tommy Dewey, the guy who played O'Donoghue. And that's a really tricky role. I think that's one of those things where from the outside you don't see how hard it is to be Able to say that kind of nasty shit and still be a likable character. And there's very few actors like. Like Billy Bob was someone, you know, Billy Bob Thornton was a guy who, like, he could literally say anything. You still like the guy. And it's just. It's such a tricky thing to do.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. Interesting. We heard. Well, Lauren is very clever about that. I don't really know how his brain works, but it sits at a high level of really absorbing. I was the thing I say as I came back at the young people, but Lauren's an AI who's downloaded the show, so it's gener. So he can blink stuff. He can look at something and kind of go, well, if they're supposed to be older, we have to make them older or whatever. There's the essence of things. Very quickly we'll figure out what's wrong, what might be better. And you see him. I've been there many times when the show's a little flat and. And I can tell he's a little wounded, but gonna go on to the next one. And then when it goes well, he's just a little lighter. But it's an intense life to do what he's done and is still doing it and is going to keep doing it after the 50th. What news flash.

[Jason Reitman]

I was about to. I. You just dropped that like it was nothing. I'm curious with both of you. Do you remember early moments where you understood why Lorne picked you? Did it ever become clear as like, oh, this is what he saw in me and this is why he knew I was special?

[Dana Carvey]

David, I'll let you go first.

[David Spade]

You know, I wasn't a big character guy. I just did stand up. And I think he liked the way it was written, even though I wasn't even a headliner. And when I got there, I was a little over my head. More than a normal over your head, because I wasn't writing sketches for characters and I wasn't doing crazy stuff. And that wasn't something that was on my even radar that it was so high above me that from Arizona, I couldn't think, oh, one day I should be on snl. It didn't cross my mind. It was. I was saying I should be like a manager at Bennigan's. You know, that was like the ceiling. And so when you get to. You get to. At the highest place and you're the lowest level. It was hard. And I was always feeling about getting fired and getting. When obviously he was having some troubles, especially first couple years. But when we had Lauren on, he goes, and by the way, David, you were never in danger of getting fired. And I was like, it's just weird to hear him say that, because that's all you're thinking for six years and just have him say it out loud because it was. It was a little rocky road, but got through it. But I was just like, oh, I. I don't know what he saw. Maybe it didn't look like everyone. You know, you just. You don't know what. I wasn't a huge jumping off the page guy.

[Dana Carvey]

But he did say, also during the podcast, I always. I always knew you were funny. Just high praise from the guy.

[David Spade]

It's nice to hear just that. Simply that way.

[Jason Reitman]

Follow up question.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[Jason Reitman]

Is there a person who makes you more nervous when you answer the phone and the someone goes, I have Lorne Michaels for you. Is there. Is there any person who would actually make you more. Or is that the person who would make you the most nervous hearing, oh, he's on the other line.

[Dana Carvey]

It definitely is something that you might.

[David Spade]

Have, especially if you're there. If you're there and you're part of it, it's the ultimate boss going, oh, my God, the Godfather's calling. Or when.

[Jason Reitman]

Even to this day, though, I'm saying.

[David Spade]

Even, yeah, I can see if they go and wants you to come up.

[Dana Carvey]

I feel like Lawrence, emotional interface. I'm just making up these words. I'm just more used to it this time around, so I kind of want to give him a hug and tell him a joke and be silly. But for years when I was on the show, you know, because Lauren had this thing walking down the hallway, still with the show, you know, that kind of stuff, and you're still here. He was intimidating. I mean, he had told somebody recently or that he had to create sort of a wall between himself and the cast or else they would have eaten him alive.

[Jason Reitman]

Right.

[Dana Carvey]

You know, so, yeah, he's an intimidated character, but, you know, if you go to the Yankee game, you know, he's kind of. I mean, yeah, he's. He's. He's an eclectic personality. They're sort of the elusive Lauren and erudite Lauren, and then there's the guy wants to get a hot dog and go to the game.

[David Spade]

So also, that stuff, you're not as fearful now because it's. You did it. And so now I just like to see Lauren and laugh with them and try to make him laugh and goof.

[Dana Carvey]

Around as much as. As much as possible. But you feel like he's so observant and so smart that he can just see right through you. Right. And he kind of knows where you're going wrong. Never leave a hit. You know, he always has these lessons. Never leave a hit on. What happened to me was so unusual and bizarre and just happened since that I had done the church lady character in my act, but I was doing 70 minutes of stand up and it was just a few minutes of it. And so then decide to make it into a talk show with Rosie Schuster, you know, and then it just scored huge. And I was an accident. I didn't know it was great that it was a talk show on Home Base. I didn't know it was great that my character's funny. And also Phil Hartman and Sigourney Weaver could come on and be funny. And I had Jan Hooks and Phil Hartman scoring. So I figured out at some point that's what Lauren loves. It's a sketch that at Home Base, a reoccurring character with a catchphrase. And then guest can come on and be funny as well.

[Jason Reitman]

Right?

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. And so. And then I did chop broccoli, that show and a few other things. So I didn't have ground leads up in San Francisco, so I just was a sketch player doing stand up. And in the small rooms, it would work, or the bigger rooms be harder. So I didn't really know I was a sketch player. But when I got on there, I figured out, well, this is where I belong, you know, doing characters and sketch. But I was trying to do it as a stand up, so. So that was a freakitude to have that right up front.

[David Spade]

It says two people that rely on her voice. You know, this job, stand up, this whatever. Zycam is great because if you feel a cold coming on, you know, I have Zycam in my bag. Like, if you're on the road, give it a couple of squirts because your throat's sore. Sniffling. That's when I go for it. Because it's sort of. If you're already in the throes of it, it will speed it up, it will shorten.

[Dana Carvey]

It will shorten the cold or reduce the symptoms so that the second you start feeling. Because sometimes you go, oh, man, am I getting a cold. And that's when you hit a Zycam boom.

[David Spade]

Nail it. And it's kind of fun. Yeah. They have rapid melts, medicated food drops, a lot of flavors, you know, nasal swabs. Those are fun sprays.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. So you can get it In a lot of different ways. If you feel a cold coming on at the first sign, reach for cold shortening products from Zycam, the number one cold shortening brand.

[David Spade]

And for best results, use at the first sign of a cold and continue to use until the symptoms completely subside.

[Dana Carvey]

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[David Spade]

The. The holidays are coming up. I don't know if you know this, Dana, but it is October and then.

[Dana Carvey]

It will be November, and then that's the holiday season.

[David Spade]

Yeah. We include Halloween in that. So between traveling, having your family around, we've teamed up with Ring and it helped them.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

You know, because Ring cameras, which everyone knows. Everyone knows that that's a household product at this point. You want to catch these merry moments because there's a lot, a lot of times I see online, there's funny videos and a lot of them are from Ring cameras. People leave the house, something funny happens. So you always have that. But from Ring doorbells that alert you when gifts arrive at the door, to indoor cams that let you check in on pets to see if the creatures are stirring at home.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. You can check in on your lovely.

[David Spade]

Dog with alarm kits that deliver peace of mind during your holiday travel. Ring has your whole home covered wherever the season takes you. You're always home for the holidays with Ring. And I have, you know, Ring camera. I think almost everyone does, you know.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah. And you can talk to your dog, right?

[David Spade]

Yeah. Through Ring, you can do whatever you want. You know, we have people come to the door and it doesn't even. You don't have to be home. You just talk to them and say, hey, man, you know, just rob the place.

[Dana Carvey]

Someone's at your door. You know, they're there. I mean, it does seem very good if you, you know, want to stay in touch with loved ones.

[David Spade]

Yeah. They're easy to install. Even Heather can do it. I can't, but Heather can do it. Who installed.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, Heather did. Yeah.

[David Spade]

You just plug it in. No, you just, you place it anywhere you want. You can have a couple, you know, it turns off the mic. If, if you want, you can adjust it. You know what I mean? And then the old. That's indoors, you could do all that. And then you got the video doorbell, which everyone knows.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah.

[David Spade]

Someone's at your door. Bing, bong. You hear it. You can answer the door, speak to delivery people.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, right, Exactly. You can see a high up and down low with the head to toe Video so you kind of really, you know, and tell them where to leave the packages. What can't it do in terms of this?

[David Spade]

I like that. Head to toe. That's a good description because I don't want to just see this. I want to see what am I dealing with here. So head to ring.com to find the latest deals on ring video, doorbells, cams and alarms, and shop gifts for everyone on your list. It's a good gift.

[Jason Reitman]

Is there anyone these days that you fight for to laugh, laugh more than Lauren? Like, is there a person that you want that you try to make laugh more than Lauren so that you feel the way more when they laugh more than Lauren? No.

[Dana Carvey]

My first show back, doing these little sets of shows. I was reading Biden in the. In the read through, and I didn't really have it, but it was kind of coming on to me, this Biden non sequitur thing. And guess what? And by the way, the fact of the matter is. And so I was throwing it in. It wasn't in the little draft of the script. I'm just throwing it in. And I saw Lauren's shoulders going up and down because that means in the corner of my eye. And so that was. That was a big. When the shoulders go, you know. Yep.

[David Spade]

The read through laugh of Lauren is unreal. Like, when you're on the show and everything matters and you're at read through and you wrote a sketch and it's your lines and you're saying it, and then you see him just buy into the sketch and start cracking up or slap the table. You're like, holy shit. Oh, my God, this is crazy.

[Jason Reitman]

The week I was there, I wrote three sketches.

[David Spade]

That's a lot.

[Jason Reitman]

No, no, no, they didn't make it. I did for the, for the table.

[David Spade]

It's a lot of writing, though. You know, it's hard to do.

[Jason Reitman]

Yeah, but I've been like, I've been wanting to do this for decades, and this is my one chance. Like, I. Trust me, I had stuff in the office. So I. I just. I made so many rookie mistakes not realizing, oh, fuck, like, that's never gonna work at the table. Reading. He's gonna be reading the. All the, all the. All the stage directions, and there's multiple locations. Why did I do that? Just all these things.

[David Spade]

Too many sets. Oh, yeah, I made that mistake.

[Jason Reitman]

God, I wanted so many do overs. I got a sketch on, but, oh, my God, that.

[David Spade]

Who was your host that week?

[Jason Reitman]

Ashton Kutcher was the host. Gnarls Barkley was The musical guest. And now you know exactly when it took place.

[David Spade]

Sure. That's great then. Well, how fun.

[Dana Carvey]

To your point, Lauren is like a coach, you know, and if you. You were a high jumper, right? In high school.

[Jason Reitman]

How the hell do you know that? Who just. Who slipped you that? Weird.

[David Spade]

I was. And it must be you.

[Dana Carvey]

I just. I just at least had a perfunctory look at your Wikipedia page. I assume we would mostly talk about this, but I. I love track and field and I remember Dick Fosberry and stuff like that. But Lauren is like a coach that you want to please. And I had a button down coach when I was in high school. Very not. Not big with the praise. You'd have to just. Just go, fantastic. But Lauren, he would just give you a little. If you dismantle the room, like, really scored, he might walk by him and he would just tap your shoulder and give a little pat.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

And kind of nod his head. And that was like a, you know, a huge, huge win. Right, David, if you kind of acknowledge.

[David Spade]

I think three years and I did one Hollywood minute at read through, and he goes, he turns the sketch, he goes, next sketch, he goes, I think you found your voice. All right, we're gonna do Wayne's World. And I was like. And then two weeks later in the hallway goes, maybe Hollywood minute this week. I go, you're asking me to do a sketch?

[Jason Reitman]

Oh, my God, David, that must have been extraordinary.

[David Spade]

Oh, man.

[Jason Reitman]

By the way, I was just talking about the rare gift to say cruel things and for people to love you for it. And it's like you're literally one of the handful of human beings on earth who can do that. And you can say these things and people love you for it. And you can't teach that. It's just like, it's just in the DNA.

[David Spade]

I'm not really a mean person. That's the funniest part of the whole thing is like, you just think of these jokes and goes, oh, that'd be funny. But you're not. Like, I fucking hate these people. You just go, isn't that the truth?

[Jason Reitman]

Like, when you think about the few people who do this, like, the few greats who are like, they know how to just cut you to the bone and be funny. Most of these people are not mean people. Like, Don Rickles is not a mean person.

[Dana Carvey]

Jeff.

[Jason Reitman]

Mean person.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jason Reitman]

Like, the real are not funny. Like, they're just.

[David Spade]

Yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah, yeah. It's because you always have to find the fine line where it's not too rough. And sometimes I would go too deep and caught myself at dress or something when I don't think they're gonna buy that. That's, That's.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, when Chevy came on this podcast, I, you know, I'd seen him in act. I know I, I knew enough of seeing him over the years, and he was very generous to me when I was at Lorne Michael's house before I got on the show. But I was out there and he loved my audition tape, saw something in me. But Chevy loves to say the thing you're not supposed to say. Yeah. To the extreme, where it can go wherever it wants to go.

[Jason Reitman]

I have an example for you. And I've known Kevin, I've known Chevy my entire life. I grew up, you know.

[David Spade]

That's right.

[Jason Reitman]

That's right. Like with, with his kids and stuff.

[Dana Carvey]

And like funny ass Americans ever created.

[Jason Reitman]

And so Chevy comes in to watch the movie and he's there with Janie, and they watch the film and he's in the group and he comes up to me after and he pats me on the shoulder and goes, well, you should be embarrassed.

[David Spade]

What an exact Chevy thing. You couldn't even write it better. Yeah, funny.

[Dana Carvey]

Well, he knows that's funny. Like, okay, that's the most. That's the roughest thing you could say to a director in that moment right up there. All right, you know, and I'm trying to balance it.

[Jason Reitman]

I'm trying to balance it because in my head, I know, all right, I'm getting a Chevy chase moment that's 1000% only for me right now. And from a comedy point of view, that's really pure and that's kind of cool. But also, I just spent like two years of my life recreating this moment so that. And trying to capture Chevy perfectly. And also, even in the ego, find the humanity. Humanity and give him a moment to be loved. No, none of that play. He's. He's not talking about that.

[David Spade]

It's a, It's a. A funny thing to say. But then you gotta look at the meter and go, what percentage was real? Was it all a joke or was there a little bit? He's not happy, but you just don't know any leaves. And you go, ah, well, he saw it.

[Dana Carvey]

I think the key, the key is if you can, when we. I just say yes to everything. He, at one point he goes, I had a way bigger career than you guys. We both went, of course you did. So if you go back in time, he says, you should be embarrassed. I'm completely humiliated. And then the air goes out of the balloon. Then he's more like, hey, it wasn't that bad, you know, but you always say, yes, have you seen my. And he would go like this. Like, was it a hundred times?

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

And then he would go like that.

[David Spade]

He went on video, which is horrible because everyone would have. He was so funny with all his visual craziness. You know, Dana, we. We're gonna let. We have to wrap up with Jason, who's a stud, but Jason.

[Dana Carvey]

Right.

[David Spade]

Mention his great other things. He does. We won't go into him totally, but we just. Just so people knows the up in the Air was great.

[Jason Reitman]

Is this when you do it at the end of the show, you like. You're like, oh, by the way, this is who this guy was.

[Dana Carvey]

No, we.

[David Spade]

Well, I. No, we're going to introduce you. We.

[Dana Carvey]

Separately, we're going to introduce you and say all this. But.

[David Spade]

But I want you to hear that. I love this one.

[Dana Carvey]

Full Saturday Live. I thought we. It could have been about your height.

[David Spade]

Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

Being in high school, apparently.

[David Spade]

Could have been how you frequent STK in Hollywood, but we didn't want to spend the whole time on that. That's in your Wikipedia.

[Dana Carvey]

Also, by the way, William Defo loved every minute of William Defoe as Dave Tibbett.

[Jason Reitman]

I don't think I've ever been to SDK. That's. That's kind of. That's exciting.

[David Spade]

Frequents Los Angeles takeout stk, as does Channing Tatum.

[Jason Reitman]

Does it really?

[Dana Carvey]

See references swear, by the way, that's.

[Jason Reitman]

A really interesting way to do advertising. I never thought of that. But anyone can update a Wikipedia. You could just go to the most.

[David Spade]

Slide in at your favorite restaurant. That's.

[Jason Reitman]

So if you own a restaurant, you're just going to be like. And Beyonce, you know, you know, always.

[David Spade]

Seen at Cheesecake Factory. Yeah.

[Dana Carvey]

The problem, which I've said before, is if people hear something, they have a hard time thinking it's utterly untrue. So on the Wikipedia page, it said, I had a previous wife named Leah. It's probably still there. So people will go, so you were married before Paula to a woman named Leah? No, no, it's all made up. Well, you must have known someone named Leah. Nope, it's all made up. But you must have had someone before, you know. Nope. It's a 100% some nerd in a room and it's still there, you know.

[David Spade]

So I did it to myself, Dan. I said I collected gerbils. We Just put it in one time. And then it was such a mistake because in the middle of heavy interviews, they're like, you know, my son has a gerbil. And I. I don't give a. And they're like, but don't you love you? And I. When did that start? I go, what? I forget. I go, oh, right, right. I gotta get that out of that. I was like, for one laugh, that's Richard Gear.

[Dana Carvey]

Remember the gerbil up the butt? And people would go, well, he must have.

[David Spade]

But, yeah, he must have sat on a gerbil.

[Dana Carvey]

No, it's all made. Nobody.

[Jason Reitman]

Come on, David, this is not going to turn out well.

[David Spade]

I know, right? I just did it again. Dana. Thank you. Jason, you're stud.

[Dana Carvey]

Aside from everything else you've done, nice hanging out.

[David Spade]

I love talking about SNL like that. And what a fun movie to watch and just be thrown back into that crazy world. Did a great job.

[Dana Carvey]

One last thing before we go. The Franken and Davis characters really made me laugh.

[Jason Reitman]

You know what's great? So those two actors, they did something I hadn't experienced before. They auditioned together, and that's what made it work. They already knew each other, and so they just did the bit together. And it was like, oh, I believe them as a duo. And I was like, why don't more actors do this? That was so smart.

[David Spade]

Now, that's Julia Child bit. Did you see, like, I don't know if you saw the movie, but at the beginning there, you know, it's chaos. And they show on the side.

[Jason Reitman]

That's nice, David.

[David Spade]

They show on the side. Frank and Davis, just one of the crazy things is one of the most memorable sketches of all time. Julia Child, they just walk by. We got this thing we just want to do. It's blood. And Lauren's like, sounds great. Moves on. And you're like, oh, my God, that's. Everyone knows there's a lot of detail.

[Jason Reitman]

So for the. For a big SNL fan, which I'm presuming, like, your listeners are, you know, way bigger fans than I am. Yeah, they like. Like we have colon blow in there. Like, there's all sorts of little details that if you start. Actually, if you start looking in the background and stuff, there's all kinds of fun stuff. Colon blonde, obviously.

[Dana Carvey]

Oh, Easter eggs. Because colon blow was 10, 12 years later.

[David Spade]

That was when I was there with Phil. God damn, what a great.

[Dana Carvey]

Watch it again.

[David Spade]

Yeah, okay, thank you. What a stud.

[Dana Carvey]

Yeah, what a stud.

[David Spade]

I'll talk to you later.

[Dana Carvey]

Enjoyed it.

[Jason Reitman]

Bye.

[David Spade]

This has been a presentation of Odyssey. Please Follow subscribe Leave a Like a Review all this stuff. Smash that button, whatever it is. Wherever you get your podcasts. Fly on the Wall is executive produced by Dana Carvey and David Spade, Jenna Weiss Berman of Odyssey and Heather Santoro. The show's lead producer is Greg Holtzman.