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Focus on the Family with Jim Daly
Giving Teen Girls (and Yourself) a Brighter Future (Part 1 of 2)
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Jesse Minassian
I have listened to Focus on the Family shows since I was probably a later teen, all the way through my young adult years and beyond. I guess I just found that so often whatever message was being aired was really pertinent to something either I was experiencing or it was just of such interest that it was like I was able to accumulate knowledge and spiritual wisdom.
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Jim Daly
Mary is a big believer in what we're doing to help families thrive.
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Jesse Minassian
I feel like Focus on the Family, you know, makes deposits into my life or the soil of my life. And it's kind of like rain. It just accumulates and nourishes and can bring growth in, you know, knowledge and wisdom.
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Jim Daly
I'm Jim Daly. Help us be a lifeline to more people like Mary. Join our friends of Focus on the family by calling 800AFAMILY or donate@focusonthefamily.com families.
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John Fuller
Welcome to Focus on the Family with Jim Daly. I'm John Fuller. And let me ask a question. Do you have a mentor? Do you have a trusted, experienced advisor to kind of help you walk through various things in life? Today we're going to explore some good advice and encouragement, the kind of help a mentor would provide for how to live a well balanced, healthy godly life.
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Jim Daly
You know, John, I look back, I had two really good mentors that God brought into my life at just the right time. My football coach in high school, Paul Mora, who's passed away. And then my first, what I would call my adult job, right, the first big job you get in a paycheck. That was more in my early 20s when I went to work in the paper industry. And that was Jeff Eaves, who taught me so much about business but also spiritual, spiritual things. And I'm grateful to both of those men because they spoke into my life and really helped me better understand myself. Jeff had to do write ups for me, performance write ups. And he'd say, hey, you're really good on this, but these are things you need to work on. That was kind of new to take that constructive criticism, but from somebody I appreciated and respected. There's great examples of mentoring in the Bible. You think about the apostle Paul with Timothy, that's an obvious one. Moses with Joshua, and of course Jesus and how he taught the 12 disciples he was mentoring them. And so mentoring is a biblical thing, in my opinion. Our guest today, Jesse Minassian, has spent, I think over 20 years mentoring young girls, being a big sis to those girls and helping them. And for a time, she helped with our Brio magazine. I so appreciated her work in that relationship. And I'm looking forward to leaning in and talking about this with her.
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John Fuller
Yeah. Jesse has a great website, lifelonggod.com and we'll link over to that. We're going to pick her brain today on a variety of topics that, while centered on young girls, are not specific to young girls. There's a lot of learning applications, I think, for all of us here. Jesse has been with us before. She's an author, speaker, and blogger, and she and her husband Paul have two teen girls of their own. Her newest book is really the foundation for our conversation today. Your brightest tips for navigating relationships, health, faith, mindset and more. And you can learn more about Jessi's great book and her ministry when you stop by the show. Notes.
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Jim Daly
Jesse, welcome. Welcome back to FOCUS on THE family.
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Jesse Minassian
Thank you so much for having me.
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Jim Daly
It's good to have you here. And man, you know, it was 10 years ago, we were looking, the team was looking this up and we recorded together. I think that was the first time. And you introduced me to a new term, crushaholic, A teen girl term. Yeah, crushaholic. You like that? It stuck with me. So let's get back to crushaholic. What is it and what challenges do teen girls have today with crushaholicism?
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Jesse Minassian
Crush. They'll just keep making up words. It's fantastic. Yeah, I kind of coined that term back then when I wrote Crushed to describe my life. That pretty much summed it up. And so many teen girls, I think, kind of go from one, like, to the next to the next. And whether it's stopped when they don't receive that attention or affection from that guy that they're crushing on. But there's just it sort of can be summed up as a hole in our hearts that we're trying to fill by love and attention from the opposite sex. And sometimes it can be relatively harmless and sometimes it can cause a lot of damage to our hearts depending on the relationship.
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Jim Daly
It's so true. And we're going to spend a couple of days on this topic. So we want people to really get into it. And like you said, John, it's applicable to all of our lives. But this will be aimed at women and girls. But men, we've got things in here, too. Any guys ever kind of blossom around girls and start showing off a little bit? Oh, yeah. You got the same problem. It's what we do. It's what we do as human beings. It's how we're made. You talk about the concept within the Christian community of brothers and sisters in Christ and treating one another as siblings. That's really interesting. I never thought about it that way, but it's a great concept. Explain it more thoroughly.
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Jesse Minassian
Yeah, I thought for a long time that what we're really after, even that crushaholicism, there's a desire for connection and community. We're looking for love and relationship, not just of the romantic variety, but we want to be seen, we want to be known. And when God designed family, he designed family to fill a big part of that for us, know, with parents, with siblings. And we learn in scripture that God designed family not just in the sense that we think of the nuclear family, but also in the faith family, that when we join his faith family, we get more mothers and brothers and sisters and fathers and daughters. And I know for me, and I believe Jim as well and John, we have benefited from having other family members in the faith family who have poured into us and have been spoken into our lives. It was sort of revelatory for me to learn as teen girls and as young adult women having brothers in Christ, seeing them not just as a potential romantic relationship, but actually a brother that we can learn from, that we can learn how to throw football correctly and we can learn how to just all the things that men bring to the table that we can learn from and vice versa.
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Jim Daly
Well, and, you know, it's. I remember a Christian camp I went to at 17. I ended up kissing a girl. I mean, so I would have benefited from thinking of her as my sister. That would have helped me. Cause there's no way I would have been kissing my sister.
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Jesse Minassian
I think I want to write stop kissing your sister.
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Jim Daly
Right. Cause I mean, I mean, that's part of it. And you know, that's one of the things with my boys I'm always trying to talk to them about in the dating moment because they're in their 20s now. But even in that dating space, teens, 20 somethings, I'm constantly saying, now you got to remember that girl is somebody's future wife.
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Jesse Minassian
That's right.
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Jim Daly
So you gotta take care of her and take care of that relationship. I haven't said, you know, you need to think of them as your sister. That's like a doorstopper. Right, but that might be my next line.
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Jesse Minassian
But there is that.
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Jim Daly
But there is something to that. I took it when I, you know, was thinking of that question, I was thinking of it more in that context, like handle each other well.
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Jesse Minassian
That's right. That's exactly right. To think, you know, unless you are husband and wife, you are brother and sister first. And so how are you going to approach this relationship for girls? I'm saying how would you dress for your brother? Like, if you're going out with your brother, how would you dress? Like what kind of sweatpants?
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Jim Daly
Sweatshirts.
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Jesse Minassian
That's right. Be yourself a little bit more. And it takes off some of the pressure and then also sets up some boundaries for just a approaching the relationship in a God honoring way.
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Jim Daly
Yeah. The other thing is just generally the lessons we learned about family. And you shared a story and this is so heart touching, I'll say it that way. You regretted the lack of relationship or how your relationship was with your mom. And you know, just describe the setup there. What was the difficulty or difficulties and was it ever mended? Is your mom still here?
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Jesse Minassian
My mom and I actually had a very special relationship from an early age. She was a single mom and it was just she and I for the first five years of my life. And she was my world. I loved my mom, but as I became a teenager, the world sort of turned on its axis and somehow just revolved around me. I don't know how that happens, but.
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Jim Daly
Yeah, it just happened.
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Jesse Minassian
It just happened to be that I was the center of my world. And you know, in those teen years, looking back there, a lot of relationship mistakes that I made. And I don't regret the fights that we had as much as I regret the apathy that I lived under the same roof as this amazing woman for 18 years and took her for granted so often. And at the time you think, you know, you're just focused on yourself, on your relationships, on school, on your stuff. And you don't think that eventually change is going to come. And it might come slowly or it might come all at once. And for me, everything changed the day I found out my mom had cancer. And we had nine months after that and I was no longer in the house. But when I lost her at 27, I regretted so many of those years that I could have done relationship with her better, that I could have taken advantage of all the wisdom that she had to offer. All the late night baking in the kitchen or whatever, you know, sewing. Yeah, those. All those moments. And it makes me super passionate to help families take advantage of those moments now and to make the most of family.
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Jim Daly
That's so touching. It's so true that you don't want to lose that time. And it's unfortunate when we get news like that. My mom died of cancer. I was 9. But all of a sudden it's Finite. And I think as children, as teenagers, we don't envision our parents going away.
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Jesse Minassian
Oh, never dying. Never. Yeah.
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Jim Daly
To be blunt, you just don't think of it that way. They're going to be there forever. And then you get that news and it's like, wow, it's a lonely. I mean, I'm getting choked up thinking about it. It's a lonely place, especially if you're a child or a teenager because you just don't know what's gonna happen and you've lost something so deep. So good. You speak in the book about a family manifesto, which I think is great. I don't think we have one. The fact that I don't know, it probably does. But that family manifesto, what does it look like? How do you create it? What do you put in it?
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Jesse Minassian
The family manifesto is basically a list of 14 statements that I created in light of wanting to do family well and to help teens and young adults take advantage of the years that they have with their parents and their siblings in their home. So it's things like, you know, I'll tell my family I love them every chance I get. You know, I'll, I'll get my camera out and actually take photos or let my parents take photos. You know, they always get so upset when I get my camera out. But I want those memories. I want to record those memories in my, on my camera, in my dream journal. We'll fight fair. You know, things like, you know, all families are going to disagree, but we want to learn to disagree well and to not use weapons that are going to hurt each other. Yeah, that's true. You know, so it's just a way to be intentional about doing family relationships well.
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Jim Daly
It sounds like things that circle around, treating each other well, speaking well to each other, speaking life over each other, those are all good, good things. A lot of teens and parents, that's one of the top people will contact us about, is difficult relationships between them as the parent and our teens or our 20 somethings even. What are some things that parents can do? You sounded like as a teen girl you kind of had the seeds of this. The fact that the Lord has used you to create a family manifesto as evidence of that, you may be a little unique that way. A lot of teens just turn off with their parents and they don't care. You can try to connect with me, but I don't want to connect with you. And you think about that. What can a parent do? It feels like you're trying with no tools.
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Jesse Minassian
That's so Relatable.
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Jim Daly
Yeah. Help me.
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Jesse Minassian
Yes. No, There's a lot to unpack there. And I would say it goes both ways, I think. Yes. Our teens, they are in that space that most of us were in at that age of the world revolving around them. They're not thinking about mom and dad as parents with actual names, people with names and dreams and goals and heartache and all that you're sacrificing to provide for them in this season of their life. All the ways that you're trying to love them.
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Jim Daly
Just don't say those things.
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Jesse Minassian
Don't say it. Keep it breezy. Keep it breezy.
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Jim Daly
Do you know what I'm doing for you?
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Jesse Minassian
Right. No, this is. Don't.
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Jim Daly
Don't do that.
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Jesse Minassian
This has been an. Yeah, it's hard for me as well. But learning to love with no expectation in return is what Christ modeled for us and what we get to learn on deeper level in this season of raising teens and young adults is being the person who will always love, always support, always provide, and not have the expectation that it's going to be reciprocated evenly.
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Jim Daly
This is a really personal question, so I want to apologize before I ask it, but I think there'll be some gold in your answer. The relationship you had with your mom and that difficulty that you described going back to when you were a teen and the negligence that you described that you had for her and didn't really make the time to be with her, has that turned around with your own two teen daughters? Or is it like God's little lesson here? You remember how you treated your mom? Well, guess what? Your kids are going to treat you like that, too. Have you tasted that or have you broken that? Have you been able to break that generational thing?
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Jesse Minassian
Both, I think. Both. I think there's an element where I got a taste of my own medicine, and there's also.
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Jim Daly
You did get a little bit of that.
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Jesse Minassian
Oh, you know, every parent prays that their kid will get one just like them.
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Jim Daly
That's super healthy, though, for the parent to see that. Oh, my goodness. They're treating me just like I treated my mom.
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Jesse Minassian
Oh, for sure, for sure.
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Jim Daly
If you can see it, that's a good thing.
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Jesse Minassian
Yes, absolutely. And on the flip side, I feel like I've had some really great mentors in my life who have. Have taught me how to parent teenagers well, and I've taken that advice to heart. And so I've been laying groundwork for, you know, since they were little and how to create lines of communication and how to show them love in the way that they receive it. So I think for the parent who sees their teen as just not caring and not wanting to be involved in their parents life at all, some of that sometimes is how we're coming across as parents.
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Jim Daly
It's pain. It's pain in the child's heart of some sort.
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Jesse Minassian
Absolutely, absolutely. Because it's not natural or they feel like, you know, they're gonna get a lecture or they don't believe that their parents have their best interest at heart.
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Jim Daly
And I think that advice for the parent who is struggling in that, go to work, be the architect, Figure it out. Where's the building week? Where's that relationship week? You're the adult. Figure out how to connect with your team.
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Jesse Minassian
Yeah. Yeah. And my favorite word in this season is breezy. You know, like, I just, I'm gonna keep it breezy with my kids. I'm not gonna lecture. They might tell me something that absolutely freaks me out. I'm gonna be. I'm like ice cold Mother Teresa.
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Jim Daly
It's so funny. Troy has always been our compliant child. He's great. And I remember one day, just for fun, he did this. I was like, hey, could you get the garbage? He goes with his hand. A little hand signal for the radio listeners, but it was we. And I'm looking at him going, what's w e? He goes, whatever. And then he started laughing. It was so funny. I thought, oh, that was good. That was good. Whatever. So now I do it back to him.
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Jesse Minassian
That's fantastic.
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John Fuller
It's good to be playful.
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Jim Daly
Whatever.
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Jesse Minassian
Yes, playful. Okay. Parents, honestly, we get so caught up in all the lessons that we have to teach our kids. We are such like, you're making my skin curl stuck in the mud. Like, so they know what we're gonna say before we even say it. Like, have fun with them. Know that they know all the lessons that you've been trying to teach since they were little. They've heard it. They don't need to hear it again in this moment. Like, ask. Ask good questions. Ask them what they think and actually listen to the answer instead of telling your opinion. Like, just work on treat as people who have an opinion and who have the ability to make good choices and bad choices. But it changes relationship. It changes relationship.
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Jim Daly
So true.
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John Fuller
Good insights from Jesse Minassian today on Focus on the Family with Jim Daly. And Jesse's book, you, Brightest Life is kind of the centerpiece for the discussion today. Get a copy of it and you can find out more online. The link is in the show Notes. And Jesse, the book has so many practical elements to it. One of them is what you. I see it right now because you walk in the room and you're smiling. And that's one of your tips for young girls, for frankly all of us, is smile more at people. What's the impact of a smile?
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Jesse Minassian
This was fascinating to me. I was traveling to visit my nephew, little nine month old little boy. And he, his family is all Asian and I don't look much like their family. But every time I smiled at him, he would come with the biggest grin, just big. I'm a sucker for making babies smile, you guys. I'm the weird lady in the checkout line who's like making faces at the baby until they smile. And I just could not get enough. And as I was, I was on my way home, I think too much, but I was thinking about, why would my nephew have smiled back at me? Like, what made him trust me? Like, babies, they, they, they're unfiltered in their emotions. Like they're gonna cry if they're freaked out. Like, it's not like they have an obligation to smile back. They don't hide their emotions. So for him to smile back at me means that he felt like he could trust me. He felt a sense of connection with me and made him happy. It brought him joy. And I thought what brought him joy it was only my facial expressions. And I don't think we grow out of that. As adults. We can communicate warmth and trust and confidence and care for another person simply by communicating with our face. Showing an expression on her face that's positive and it comes across as confident and people respond in return. I'll get a door held open or I got a free sparkling water just for smiling.
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Jim Daly
You know, I've got to be more mindful. So, Jean, I'll put this together. You can analyze this. So, you know, one time in our parenting, she said, you need to get down on a knee with the boys when they were little because when you speak to them, you're a big guy and it is freaking them out. And I can see it when you're trying to correct them or whatever. It's more fear than it is. Your heart may know it, but your face ain't showing it. Right? We're just stern and we gotta remember to express ourselves in that joy. Is that fair?
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Jesse Minassian
That is fair. Which means we have to actually be feeling joy too. And as Christians, I think, you know, we can get so serious.
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Jim Daly
Yes, we can now talk about expressing joy. What's the Zumba dance that you talk.
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Jesse Minassian
About in the book. Okay.
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Jim Daly
Natural eating. Hey, you talked about it.
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Jesse Minassian
Okay. Have you heard of Zumba?
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Jim Daly
I think I have. Isn't that the thing that cleans your floor?
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Jesse Minassian
I think that's a Roomba.
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Jim Daly
Oh, that's Roomba in my Zumba.
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Jesse Minassian
Zumba is like a Latin inspired exercise. Oh, you're already getting ready? Yeah. Well, you kind of have to. But I'm not going to get too into it because I have the moves of an injured antelope running for its life, honestly. Which is why I was so nervous to go to this class, because, you know, I want in my mind to have the moves of a certain Latina pop star, but it just doesn't come out right usually. So I show up to this class and I am all up in my head. I'm so intimidated. I'm like, everyone's gonna be smooth except me. I just know it. And I walk into the room and there's this woman who's middle aged, gray hair, pulls out of her bag this jingly, sparkly scarf. She may have borrowed it from a Babylonian belly dancer, I don't know. But it was really attention grabbing. We'll just say that. And she ties it around her waist and she gives her hips a little shake. And I'm like, wow, here I am, so nervous and intimidated and all up in my head. And here's a woman who is just here to have fun and to be herself, and that's okay. And it just reminded me, as a believer, I should be the most joyful one in the room and to come in and to just have fun. Like, there are a lot of heavy things in the world. Like, I get that. I know that we do have real cultural things that are hard, but at the same time, we should have joy, we should have laughter. We should be able to dance like nobody's watching and just have fun and.
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Jim Daly
Be okay with that dance like nobody. Why do you keep coming back to this dancing? I tell you, I could talk to a group of 5,000 people, I'd be completely fine. Make me dance. I'm terrified.
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Jesse Minassian
Terrified. That's it, Zumba. We're signing you up, Jim.
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Jim Daly
I'm going to ride that Roomba.
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Jesse Minassian
I'll bring this scarf for you.
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Jim Daly
Oh, my goodness. And Jean loves dancing. I feel bad for her. She married somebody who doesn't really care about it. But, hey, you encourage young women and all of us to believe in miracles. That can be a dicey thing. You talk about dancing with freedom. I mean, this idea that God could still do miracles. Speak to the importance of believing for miracles and then your experience with it.
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Jesse Minassian
I think most of us, if we read the scripture cover to cover, know that nowhere does it say God has stopped doing miracles. And we know hypothetically and theologically that, yes, God can perform miracles. But I think in our own lives, we get so caught up in the here and now that we forget that God is the same God. He's still capable. And I had a very real experience with this years ago. I was at Yosemite national park with my husband. He does landscape photography. And so we had gone from one end of the park to the other. It was covered in snow. It was New Year's Day, One end of the park to the other, taking photos. And near the end of the day, we pulled into Curry Village to get a snack, and he looked down and he said, jess, my wedding ring's gone. And we thought, oh, like, there's no way, like, where. Who knows where it could be? We checked the car, we checked the seat cushions, you know, and we're just like, okay, it's. It's gone. And on our way out of Yosemite that night, we were driving out, he said, you know, I just want to go back to one more spa. This spot that we had gone at the beginning of the day, because it'll be better lighting all the way over on the other side. On the other side of the park. So I'm like, okay, sure, fine. You know, we went, and he ran off with his camera down the trail, and I was trailing behind and just walking along in the snow, and I just prayed this prayer. Lord, I know you know where that ring is, and I know it's not a big deal in light of eternity, but if you would just show us where it is, we would remember every New Year's Day that you're a God who does miracles. And I kid you not. I looked down at my feet in the snow, and making a perfect silver circle was Paul's ring. Right in the snow, right at your.
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Jim Daly
Feet, right at that moment.
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Jesse Minassian
Right at that moment. And I just. So now every New Year's Day, we throw a party, remembering.
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Jim Daly
So you kept your promise.
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Jesse Minassian
We did. And a few years later, we were hiking in the Sierra Nevada mountains. We had hiked eight miles that day, pulled into camp exhausted, and Paul looks down, and his wedding ring is gone.
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John Fuller
Oh, my goodness.
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Jesse Minassian
And I thought, first of all, why did we not get that ring size the first time? Like, we were idiots. We need to fatten you up a little bit. Honestly, I was so embarrassed. I didn't even want to pray. I didn't pray. I was like, God, God already returned at once, like, asking a second time. That's a little presumptuous. But we looked around the camp and we didn't find it. And he's like, I'm gonna go hike up this mountain up here to get the sunset. I'm like, that's fine. I'm staying here. It's cold. So I got into the tent, and as I was walking into the tent, I was praying, Lord, I'm so embarrassed to even ask, but I know you know where Paul's wedding ring is, and clearly you can do miracles. You've done it before. So if you wouldn't mind showing us where it is, we would remember that you are a God who not only does miracles, but is incredibly patient with us. And I pulled the sleeping bag up as I got into my bag and it was sitting on top of the sleeping bag. And I just. I was just in tears, like, what a kind God, you know?
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Jim Daly
I wonder how many of those things we don't even notice, even as believers, that we're not in tune enough to really see the little gestures that God is doing for us every day.
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Jesse Minassian
Absolutely every day.
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Jim Daly
I think when we get to heaven, maybe that's all out there for us and we see it all and we just drop to our knees.
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Jesse Minassian
I think we will. Absolutely. And I have to share the third story about missing rings, though, because this does sort of bring us another incident. I'm so embarrassed to say, Jim, except this time it was my wedding ring. Oh, my goodness. Through a series of events that I don't need to get into. Had to punch a life size hockey puck for a camera for a video that we were making at a Christian camp. So.
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Jim Daly
Wow. Yeah.
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Jesse Minassian
Somehow during the punching scene, the. My wedding ring flew off my hand into a front yard. It was not a mountain. It was not Yosemite covered in snow. It was just a front yard with some grass. And so I was feeling a little confident, like, okay, God, this is child's play. I got this one. We looked in the grass, didn't find it. I'm praying like, lord, clearly you can do miracles. Clearly you know where this ring is. I never found my wedding ring.
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Jim Daly
Oh, wow.
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Jesse Minassian
And mine was more expensive than Paul's. I'm a little salty at God about that one. But I think the three stories are all part to one whole truth that God can do miracles. He wants us to ask. We can ask again and again, even when We've asked before because he doesn't tire of giving good gifts to his kids. And when he does say no, it's for a higher purpose that maybe we can't see in that moment, but we can trust that he is a good God.
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Jim Daly
Yeah. And I think the question there, Jesse, is how do you not become bitter over him not answering that one.
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Jesse Minassian
That's right, because he said no to healing my mom from cancer. He said no to finding that wedding ring which is such child's play. He said no to a job that I really wanted. Or, you know, we have to be able to ask for those miracles and trust the response that I feel like is true faith.
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Jim Daly
Yeah. That's so good. Well, this whole conversation has been good, I think, and it's your book, your brightest tips for navigating relationships, health, faith, mindset and more. And it's an excellent resource and it's been good to have you. I do want to come back and keep it going. There's much more in the book and we're not even going to cover it all in two days. I hope you will want to get a copy of this and if you can partner with us, send us a gift of any amount. We'll send you the book as our way of saying thank you. Thank you for helping marriages. Thank you for helping parents do the best job they can do helping teen girls, which goes through Brio magazine. That's what those dollars go into doing. And I would so appreciate your participation with us. And again, we'll send you the book to say thank you.
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John Fuller
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Jim Daly
In fact, John, we're looking for 1,000 people to join that monthly giving opportunity. Gene and I donate that way. I know you and Dina do. We call it Friends of Focus on the Family, the team. And that provides the financial fuel to keep it all going. So it's a great way to be engaged and it really helps us with the annual budgeting process.
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John Fuller
Yeah. And you can join our Friends of Focus on the Family team when you call that toll free number again, it's 800 the letter A in the word family. Or look for the link to donate in the show notes. And on behalf of the entire team, thanks for joining us today for Focus on the Family with Jim Daly. I'm John Fuller inviting you back as we continue the conversation with Jesse Minassian and once again help you and your family thrive in Christ.
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Jesse Minassian
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