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Healing My Marriage and Life After an Eating Disorder (Part 2 of 2)
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- [00:07]
David Dunham
There can be that tendency, like if I disclose this to someone, how does that make our family look? And so, you know, there comes that point where my love for this person is great and I want to help them, but I also have some of those, my own insecurities that color how I respond to the situation. And so that can keep us from asking for help.
- [00:24]
John Fuller
Well, that's Pastor David Dunham describing a dilemma that many caregivers face when dealing with a spouse or a family member who suffered from an eating disorder. We're going to hear more from David and his wife Krista on today's episode of Focus on the Family with Jim Daly. Thanks for joining us. I'm John Fuller.
- [00:42]
Jim Daly
John, we had a powerful conversation last time with David and Krista about this destructive problem that was not only threatening their marriage, but Christa's life as well. And as we heard last time, there was no easy fix. This issue is something the Dunhams were unprepared for, and everything they tried seemed to matters worse. But thankfully, God was right there with this young couple in their struggle and they kept clinging to him for help. And as we'll hear today, David and Christa did get the help they needed and the healing they were seeking from counseling and a community of believers who supported them and of course, the Lord. And let me say this, if you or someone you know is struggling with an eating disorder, we want to help you any way we can. Contact us here at Focus on the Family. We counselors and other resources for you get the help you need right away rather than putting yourself and your family at greater risk.
- [01:43]
John Fuller
Yeah, it's important that you reach out. Today Our number is 800-232-6459, 800, the letter A in the word family or find help in the show notes.
- [01:54]
Jim Daly
And if you missed the program last time, we can send an audio copy to you or we have the previous episodes on YouTube or best of all, you can get our Focus on the Family app and access great content whenever you'd like.
- [02:09]
John Fuller
Right. And we mentioned last time that David and Krista have written a book about their journey. The title is Table for Biblical Counsel for Eating Disorders. And with part two of our conversation, here's Jim on today's episode of Focus on the Family.
- [02:27]
Jim Daly
A friend, I think, if I remember the story correctly, challenged you to think of the eating disorder as an idol. This is so interesting because just last night Troy and I were reading Luke and I was trying to ask, even for myself, what are modern idols today? You know, back then there was Wooden statues and, you know, the modern civilization today, how could they do that? But there are still idols. And to think of your eating disorder as an idol, how did that hit you and did you think it was accurate?
- [03:00]
Krista Dunham
Yeah, that was a complete turning point for me because I really respected this person. She was just a really close friend of the family and had always looked out for me. We always had our differences. In fact, we used to kind of actually physically fight when we were children. But she just stepped in and said, I think that you need to think of it this way. And I was really willing to hear her because she was really invested in my life. And I think that makes a big difference, too. To get advice from someone who's not really in there with is very unhelpful. But to have someone step in who knows you very well, that made all the difference in the world. And I listened to her, and it was helpful.
- [03:41]
Jim Daly
Yeah. And it seems like. So there's this tether that you were able to stay connected to. Probably David was a big help in that regard and others that were involved at this point. But you had to come to that realization. And it felt like there were two parts to this. So maybe you can address that. For those listening that are going, oh, my goodness, this might be me. This might be an awareness moment for people who are going, wow. She's describing where I'm at. That tether, I would say, is one, knowing that God was there, but maybe realizing you didn't know him as well as you thought you knew Him. And then two, what did you do to get the recovery that obviously today you're in a great place and people are going to be desperate to hear those two components who are believers, but they do have an eating disorder. So how did you draw closer to the Lord? And then second, the practical help that really saved you?
- [04:42]
Krista Dunham
I think a big thing was just to realize that I didn't know God as well as I said I did, like you had said.
- [04:49]
Jim Daly
So would you say more like a head knowledge versus a heart?
- [04:53]
Krista Dunham
Yeah, definitely. So I definitely was a Christian. I definitely understood the gospel. I definitely wanted to follow God. But it just felt like that didn't really connect into my life. And so I think just searching for that to say, okay, this is a big problem, and I know that God is a big God and can help to remedy this. And so I kind of wanted my faith to still be in it, but I also knew there was a mental struggle aspect of it. And so some of what was helpful to me was just combining what I knew about the Bible, about God, and what these books were saying about an eating disorder.
- [05:35]
Jim Daly
You know, this is a beautiful illustration of how two things work well together. The supremacy of our reliance and faith in Christ is bedrock. That's where it starts. But then to get help, professional help is good. And you know, again, so many in the Christian faith, we separate those two and we don't do the hard work of seeing a therapist and hopefully Christian therapist, so that worldview is connected and that person can help in that way. It's wonderful that both you and David have taken this on to help others. But you know, often there is that complaint that we're trying to merge psychology and the scripture. Well, God is the God of psychology. I mean, not everything in psychology is God edifying, but God created us and the things that entrap us. Certainly the study of the brain can illuminate for us as Christians. So I just like that combination there where you started with the Lord and drawing closer to him, his attributes, and then also got long term help. Right?
- [06:43]
Krista Dunham
Yeah, that's how we kind of headed into the direction of finding a biblical counselor. That really ended up helping me a lot. But like you said, there's just that whole need for understanding how the mind works that we can definitely take from these people in psychology that are doing a lot of studies on that and say, okay, what does the Bible say about this and what can we use within that worldview and what should we not listen to?
- [07:12]
Jim Daly
Let me ask you, just so people have a perspective, that process of being with an expert. I appreciate the fact that you sought out a biblical foundation in that expert, but was that a one year, two year, four year, five year process?
- [07:27]
Krista Dunham
Well, it was kind of off and on because, I mean, just the nature of an eating disorder, like we talked about, just that forward and backward, you know, trying to move forward. There would just come times where I was like, I think I'm done. I don't really want to be doing this anymore. I think things are better enough that I can function again. And I just would kind of drop what I was doing. And so some of that is why it took really 10 years to get better. And it wasn't just one single helper, one single counselor. It was just a multitude of them kind of helping me along.
- [08:03]
Jim Daly
And I appreciate that because it's a long process. It is, that's the point. It doesn't always go that way, but the reality is often it's going to be a long process and to overcome this. And I again applaud Your courage, both of you, in doing that. David, I want to capture a couple things that you mention in the book. One was this idea that it's hard for someone who is in this place suffering from an eating disorder to get the help they need. I think that's one reason that first statistic I opened up with, that someone dies from an eating disorder every 52 minutes. I mean, that's a wake up call that's too frequent is the bottom line. You described something David called the spectrum of readiness. What is that and how do we apply it?
- [08:48]
David Dunham
Yeah. So I think it's important to know the individual suffering with the eating disorder has to decide when they're ready to get help. And until they're ready, you can beg and plead and cajole and, you know, one of my worst tactics was threaten. You know, I threatened divorce and I, you know, all kinds of things that were just terrible and unhelpful to Krista and selfish. But you do all those things and they might have a short term impact, but they won't result in long term change. And so each person has to decide where they're at. And so in the book we kind of outline a couple of categories for people when they're trying to evaluate how ready they are to change. And so it starts with just denial. And that's where almost all people struggling with anything start. Right. I'm not at all prepared, interested. I don't see the problem. You're over dramatizing it. It's not that bad.
- [09:39]
Jim Daly
It's that fog I was talking about.
- [09:41]
David Dunham
Yeah. And then it really goes to just that category of considering. Like I'm open to hearing more about this. I'm listening. I'm not quite sure I'm ready to do anything about it, but I'm willing to hear you on it. And then there's that investigating where I'm really trying to understand what change requires of me. Now I might see that, yeah, it's possible that I have a problem, but I'm worried that change is going to be too hard. And so I want to understand more about what change requires of me. And then seeking is, I'm now seeking guidance and help to make those changes. And then lastly is readiness. And I think for people who are helpers, one of the things that's important is people can go back and forth on that spectrum. They can start at, you know, I'm ready to change today and they can be all the way at denial tomorrow. And so it's not that you get to a place and that's where you stay. You keep evaluating. And I think as a helper, you just take the person where they're at. Oh, you're at seeking. Let's talk about that. Let's see what we can do to keep you moving forward.
- [10:38]
John Fuller
Krista, for those around you and close to you, what would they have seen as kind of a flag, a warning that something's amiss in your eating patterns and your behaviors? And then did people ask you about things and that's why you lost friends, because they were pressing into an area that you didn't want to talk about?
- [10:58]
Krista Dunham
Yeah, at first, when I was at college, it was a lot of skipping meals and I would make excuses for it, like I have to study for a test. And that seemed pretty normal because a lot of people would do that, but they'd eat in their room or whatever, and I wasn't doing that. And yeah, there was some of that just that pressing into me and I didn't want them to see it. And it was more of me. Yeah. Pulling away from them and not them giving up on me. It was just I wanted to be left alone in order to do what I wanted to do. And thankfully there were people who just kept coming around, but they were seeing things like that, just skipping meals. And what my family was seeing was, you know, I'd have just my little quirks about what I was eating. I recall one time at a family dinner, I just had a complete meltdown over not having the kind of salad dressing that I needed.
- [11:53]
John Fuller
And.
- [11:54]
Krista Dunham
And to them it was just kind of a weird behavior. But once all the pieces were put together, there was more there. But just those people with eating disorders, a lot of time have those kind of food rules. And when they're broken, you can see when they just kind of fall apart and when they're trying to hold that together with control, then, yeah, it's disconcerting for them.
- [12:19]
Jim Daly
David, let me ask you. So often in life, we mean well, but we say not so smart things. You kind of self confess that you're the prince of this, but I think many men would fit that. Women tend to be more in tune with that sensitivity. But we're trying and we say things that we shouldn't say. What did you learn was least helpful for Christa? And how do you counsel, particularly husbands, but you know the help givers around that person.
- [12:53]
David Dunham
Yeah, you know, the. I don't know that there was a thing, a specific thing that I said that was the most unhelpful. It was just a general attitude, a Lot of my concern tended to center around how her behaviors were affecting us, me. And so, you know, some unhelpful things that, you know, I would emphasize, you know, well, we're not able to go out with friends because, you know, this is always a problem. Or, you know, we have to eat only certain, you know, places when we eat out or we're not, you know, only eat. And so I would, I would kind of bring those things up and use them in ways that made her feel guilty, which was really unhelpful. You know, I think in general, you know, a verse that's been really helpful to me has been Proverbs 18:13, which says, he who speaks before he listens is a fool. And the most important thing in terms of helping anybody, but especially with eating disorders, is really listening. Giving space for Krista to express what she was anxious about, upset about where she was at in her own sort of mental framework with the issue. Not trying to impose, you know, you need to be here, you need to be thinking this, but just giving her space to share and talk and sort through things and know that in sharing and sorting those through those things with me, I was still going to be there and I was still gonna be loving her and I was still gonna be plotting along with her. So I think that concept of listening to understand instead of listening to respond, listening to understand and then interacting with her, where she was and what she was dealing with, that's what I needed to do and didn't.
- [14:25]
Jim Daly
Krista, I'm a little uncomfortable with this next question. Cause it is so personal. But the impact of your eating disorder affected your pregnancies and did affect your children. So it, you know, a. The guilt of that, I mean, it gets me teary eyed thinking about it. Tell us what happened and what the impact was.
- [14:49]
Krista Dunham
Yeah, so we decided a couple years into our marriage that we wanted to have kids. And it was just something we wanted to start with right away. But I knew where I was at with my eating disorder. And so I decided very wrongfully to do this, to go ahead and go to a fertility specialist because I wasn't ovulating, I wasn't anything that I needed to do to be pregnant. And so I didn't really share with them my whole backstory because at the time I really did have myself convinced I was okay. And I didn't want that to affect the whole part of my life that we were moving into. I just wanted to have a family and keep going. And so I went on fertility medications and I've heard from other people that it's actually somewhat common for people to do that because that desire for children kind of trumps where you think your body is at.
- [15:48]
Jim Daly
Yeah. And you're convincing yourself you're healthy.
- [15:50]
Krista Dunham
Yeah, I get it. Yeah. And so, yeah, I ended up getting pregnant on fertility medication. And we found out when our daughter was born that she had a mild form of spina bifida. That's just. It's called tethered cord syndrome. And so she had to have surgery when she was a little over two or she was about two. And that condition is really caused by the lack of nutrition of the mother. Sometimes that there are certain vitamins that were missing in my diet. Well, there were a lot of them missing. And so it was hard for me just dealing with that guilt that it could have possibly been my fault because I knew it didn't have to be. But there was just something in my mind that if you would have eaten better, if you would have taken care of yourself, this wouldn't have happened. And that was really hard for me to do.
- [16:50]
Jim Daly
Yeah. Let me ask you, I mean, that sounds like a hill to climb to find that peace. And I guess in many ways the forgiveness, that seems pretty steep, but you got there.
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Krista Dunham
Yeah.
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Jim Daly
How did you do that?
- [17:06]
Krista Dunham
I think it definitely took a lot of time. I think it wasn't even until she was much older and past the surgery to really think that I could be forgiven for that. And I think it wasn't so much a forgiving of myself, but just that I knew that I was forgiven in Christ because of what he did for me, you know, that part of my life was covered. And I like, it was something I could move on from because I wasn't holding onto it anymore. I had given it over to God. And so it was just a slow process for me. It didn't happen right away. It was just something that happened over time.
- [17:48]
Jim Daly
How old is your daughter now?
- [17:49]
David Dunham
She's 16. But I know you had to keep telling yourself the gospel and practicing believing it again and again as you were dealing with that.
- [17:59]
Krista Dunham
Yeah, it wasn't just a one time thing. It was. Yeah, I'd come back to it and even sometimes he would have to remind me of, okay, this isn't something that needs to be the center of your life. Like you need to focus on Christ. And so it was a real battle for me. And I can look back on it now and no, that was just another big chunk of that eating disorder problem that I had to overcome.
- [18:22]
Jim Daly
Did you ever. I'm Thinking of these two mountains in front of you, one is the eating disorder. You're getting that in a better place than your daughter. And you know, that is yet another mountain of forgiveness you have to climb and find that. Did you ever have an issue with the Lord? Like, why. Why did you allow. This is always the question. Right. Why did you allow my daughter to be impacted by this? What benefit? That's a raw question. But did you wrestle with that?
- [18:52]
Krista Dunham
Yeah, I definitely did. And I have wrestled with it about my eating disorder as well. Just why did this have to happen? It seems kind of senseless. The same with my daughter. Why did this have to happen? But I've been able to help a lot of people who struggle with an eating disorder because I've been there and I know and as well, we met people along the way of our daughters. Just surgery and the recovery from that and just. And my whole family just surrounded us in prayer. Just seeing them grow from the difficulty that she had, I can go back to that. And that kind of comforts me and knows like, that God had something in store for all of that.
- [19:36]
Jim Daly
Wow. I'd say your faith has really grown.
- [19:39]
Krista Dunham
Yes.
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Jim Daly
I mean, that's what I'm hearing over everything. What a beautiful way to go. You know, one thing that's striking me is the scripture, 34, 18, Psalms 3418, where it says God is close to the broken heart and saves those crushed in spirit. It's an interesting invitation to go where you don't want to go. But there's something spiritually dynamic that happens in the valley. You know, so many sayings like, don't trust people that don't limp. Right. If you only live on the mountaintops, you don't really know who you are. It seems like in that beautiful way, the Lord took you through this valley and taught you so much more about himself and you gotta go. Thank you. Even though it was hard, it was difficult. But to get through the valley and know the Lord more deeply and know yourself more deeply. Wow. People can go a lifetime and not experience that.
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Krista Dunham
Yeah. That was an amazing gift to me. And I can be thankful for it now that I'm right.
- [20:46]
Jim Daly
Doesn't feel like that in the battle.
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Krista Dunham
Yeah, no, definitely not. And it's an amazing gift that I can be thankful for now. I would definitely not know the Lord like I know him now because. And in the beginning, I didn't. There was some of me that just wanted to resist that. And it was something God wanted to give to me. And I was running Away from it. He wanted to give me more of himself and to know him better. And so, like you said, just walking through that valley, he was with me. And I can see it now on the other side that people want my help because I have gotten to the other side, and there are people who trust me to care for their problems because of that.
- [21:25]
Jim Daly
It's almost like God says, from the ashes, right?
- [21:29]
Krista Dunham
Yeah.
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Jim Daly
And he creates something beautiful from the ashes.
- [21:34]
David Dunham
It makes me think of Romans 5, 3, 5, where Paul says, we rejoice in suffering, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope. And hope does not disappoint us because the love of God has been poured into our hearts by the Holy Spirit, whom we've been given. And that idea that suffering could somehow lead to hope that we don't yet experience and know that's deeply profound and so important to hold onto when it feels like it's slipping away.
- [22:03]
Jim Daly
Yeah. Krista, let's end here. That aha moment where you felt healed, was it like a light switch that you flipped, or was it a dimmer switch that was sliding and you woke up one day and said, I think I'm in the better place now.
- [22:19]
Krista Dunham
It was definitely a dimmer switch. And I don't think I really have a moment in my mind where I'm like, oh, this is definitely over. Yeah. I just discovered, I think, that I was starting to use more of a language of, you know, victory and freedom. And I think it was a kind of a shock to myself to hear myself saying those things of and just noticing them in my life. I still have moments where I look back and we have a chili cook off at our church, and they always need judges. And one year, I volunteered to be a judge, and I just sat there and I looked around and I was like, I never would have been able to do this a few years ago.
- [23:00]
Jim Daly
Wow.
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Krista Dunham
And I was like, oh, this is. You know, I can see freedom in this. I can see recovery in this. And it was a really neat moment for me.
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Jim Daly
The thing I like about that, it also adds a little bit of God's humor to the story. You won't believe what I'm going to have you do. You're going to be the judge in a chili cook off. I mean, that's so funny in a fun way. Listen, this cannot exemplify any better what our mission is. And again, I'm so grateful for the courage of Christa and David coming in and talking about this journey of more than 10 years, but a lifetime in the beginning for Christa. And if you're in that spot, we want to help you. This is what I mean by that example. We're here for you. We've been at this 45 years, over 45 years, and I don't think you're going to shock us where you're at. So if you don't have somebody nearby, a pastor, a family member that you can talk with yet, call us, it provides that distance, a little bit of safety, but we can also help point you in the right direction. And maybe you're not in that space, but you want to be more aware so that you can help others, family members, people in your church, get this resource and we can get it into your hands. It works really well. If you buy it from a large corporate group, all that money goes right back into shareholder's profit. But when you get the resource from us for a gift of any amount, if you can't afford it, we'll send it to you free. How about that deal? We're going to trust others will take care of that. But if you need it, we'll get it in your hands. If you can make a gift, that's great. It all goes back into helping other families, not paying shareholders. So help us do the ministry and get a great resource.
- [24:48]
John Fuller
Yeah. The starting number is 800, the letter A in the word family, 800-232-6459. And then we've got all the details in the show notes. And Jim, it's really important for people to know when they call us, we want to point them in the direction of a specialized counselor to deal with this. And we have a trusted referral, a network of people that we can point you to. So make that call today and get connected to somebody. And then as Jim said, get the book. Someone in your life is struggling with this. You need to know this great story in these scriptures. So contact us today.
- [25:24]
Jim Daly
David and Krista, thank you again so much. My heart is filled with gratitude, really, that you were able to come and share this powerful story of recovery. Thank you.
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David Dunham
Thank you.
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Krista Dunham
Yeah, thank you so much.
- [25:36]
John Fuller
And thank you for joining us as well today. We hope you have a great weekend with your family and your church family as well. And join us on Monday for powerful reminder that getting revenge is never good for you.
- [25:50]
Jim Daly
Can I tell you something this morning? You can try all you want to get even and get revenge. And even if you succeed, you won't be happy because you'll still be in bondage.
- [26:04]
John Fuller
Thanks for joining us for Focus on the Family with Jim Daly, I'm John Fuller, inviting you back as we once again help you and your family thrive in Christ.
- [26:18]
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