followHIM Podcast Episode Summary
Title: Doctrine & Covenants 27-28 Part 2 • Dr. Matthew Richardson • March 24-30 • Come Follow Me
Release Date: March 19, 2025
Hosts: Hank Smith & John Bytheway
Guest: Dr. Matthew Richardson

Introduction

In this episode of the followHIM podcast, hosts Hank Smith and John Bytheway engage in an in-depth discussion with Dr. Matthew Richardson about Doctrine and Covenants (D&C) Sections 27 and 28. The conversation delves into the historical context, key revelations, and the enduring principles that emerge from these scriptures, providing listeners with a comprehensive understanding of the material.

Context of Doctrine & Covenants 27-28

Hank Smith initiates the discussion by expressing his past confusion regarding Hyrum Page receiving revelations through a stone, a practice that seemed unconventional to him in his youth. With maturity, Hank gains a better appreciation for the historical and spiritual context of such revelations.

Dr. Matthew Richardson provides a foundational overview of Section 28, situating it in the early 1830s when the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was beginning to grow both numerically and doctrinally. He emphasizes the principle of "line upon line, precept upon precept," highlighting the gradual unfolding of church doctrines and revelations.

[00:42] Matt Richardson: "Section 28 is a time period where the church is starting to blossom in numbers and in understanding... line upon line, precept upon precept."

Hyrum Page's Revelations and Historical Significance

The conversation shifts to Hyrum Page, a significant figure within the early church. Dr. Richardson outlines Hyrum's background, detailing his connections with the Whitmer family and his marriage to Catherine Whitmer. Hyrum was one of the original eight witnesses of the Book of Mormon, underscoring his integral role in the church's foundation.

Dr. Richardson clarifies that the issue in Section 28 isn't the use of a seer stone for revelations but rather the deviation from established revelation patterns.

[05:10] Matt Richardson: "Hyrum Page is one of the eight witnesses... he is one that was selected to be part of the witnesses, to see the plates and to handle the plates."

The Pattern of Revelation and Stewardship

A central theme of the discussion is the pattern of revelation within the church. Dr. Richardson underscores that God establishes patterns to ensure that revelations are received in an orderly and authentic manner, preventing deception.

[07:00] Matt Richardson: "Section 28 is a reminder of checks and balances, which the Lord does. He sets forth patterns... to ensure you don't get deceived."

He references Section 52, where the Lord declares His intention to establish patterns in all things so that His followers are not led astray.

[07:00] Matt Richardson: "...the Lord sets forth patterns... so that ye may not be deceived."

Common Consent and Church Order

The principle of "common consent" emerges as a crucial element in maintaining church order. Dr. Richardson explains that common consent isn't merely about approval but about aligning one's will with the collective stewardship of the church.

[21:42] John: "...only the prophet receives revelation for the church... but we have to have some order here."

Dr. Richardson elaborates on how common consent functions as a system of checks and balances, ensuring that individual revelations don't disrupt the established order.

[22:07] Matt Richardson: "The Lord's pattern... helps us not be deceived. Hyrum Page professes to receive Revelation for the church... a counterfeit of what has already been going on."

Practical Lessons and Modern Application

Hank shares personal anecdotes illustrating the challenges of sustaining church leadership and maintaining unity within the community. These stories serve to highlight the practical applications of the principles discussed in D&C Sections 27 and 28.

[28:24] Matt Richardson: "Go talk to those that were offended first... It’s a wonderful pattern that's established and we see it exemplified this one."

The hosts and Dr. Richardson discuss contemporary issues such as misinformation and the misuse of spiritual gifts, drawing parallels between historical events and present-day challenges.

Conflict Resolution and Yielding

The episode emphasizes the importance of conflict resolution through direct communication, as taught in both church doctrine and congregational practices. Hank narrates a personal experience where addressing a misunderstanding directly with a friend exemplified the principle of yielding and maintaining unity.

[43:59] Matt Richardson: "It demonstrates yielding on all sides... overcoming the world, yielding to the enticings of the Spirit."

Dr. Richardson highlights how these interactions reflect the broader spiritual principles of humility, meekness, and obedience to divine guidance.

Sustaining Church Leaders

The discussion delves into the significance of sustaining church leaders through common consent. Dr. Richardson shares insights on how sustaining leaders is not just a ceremonial act but a profound covenant with the Savior.

[37:36] Hank: "You sort of... the sacred secrets to his children but he does it in a pattern and in an order."

[54:04] Hank: "You talked about becoming Zion. It feels like this is Zion... it's how you deal with conflict."

The hosts and Dr. Richardson reflect on personal experiences of sustaining leaders, emphasizing the collective responsibility and support within the church community.

Understanding Joseph Smith's Prophethood

Towards the end of the episode, Hank poses a challenging question to Dr. Richardson regarding Joseph Smith's role as a prophet. This segment offers a thoughtful exploration of Joseph Smith's character, his prophetic authority, and his imperfections.

[62:59] Matt Richardson: "What do you do with these prophets, these spokespersons?... Joseph is what I hoped. He is an individual like Old Testament prophets. I believe he's a spokesman and the power comes from the words that he spoke and the truth that he revealed because that was his responsibility to do so."

Dr. Richardson emphasizes that prophets, including Joseph Smith, are human beings tasked with representing divine will, and their imperfections do not diminish their prophetic roles.

Concluding Insights and Encouragement

The episode wraps up with reflections on the continued relevance of Section 28's teachings, the importance of sustaining leaders, and maintaining unity within the church. Hank and John express gratitude to Dr. Richardson for his insightful contributions and encourage listeners to engage deeply with the scriptures and uphold the principles discussed.

[69:09] Hank: "Whatever questions or problems you have, the answer is always found in the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. Turn to him, Follow him."

Notable Quotes

• Matt Richardson [00:42]: "Section 28 is a time period where the church is starting to blossom in numbers and in understanding... line upon line, precept upon precept."

• Matt Richardson [07:00]: "Section 28 is a reminder of checks and balances, which the Lord does. He sets forth patterns... so that ye may not be deceived."

• Matt Richardson [62:59]: "Joseph is what I hoped. He is an individual like Old Testament prophets. I believe he's a spokesman and the power comes from the words that he spoke and the truth that he revealed because that was his responsibility to do so."

• Hank Smith [45:44]: "How do you protect yourself from being deceived? Go read section 28. Here's a case study when it comes down to it."

Final Thoughts

This episode of followHIM provides a rich and engaging exploration of D&C Sections 27 and 28, shedding light on historical contexts, doctrinal principles, and practical applications. Through the expertise of Dr. Matthew Richardson and the insightful moderation by Hank and John, listeners gain a deeper appreciation for the foundational teachings of the early church and their relevance today.

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