Podcast Summary: followHIM
Episode: Doctrine & Covenants 85-87 Part 2 • Prof. Robert Freeman • Aug 4 - 10 • Come Follow Me
Release Date: July 30, 2025

Introduction

In this compelling episode of the followHIM podcast, hosts Hank Smith and John Bytheway engage in an enlightening discussion with Dr. Robert Freeman, a seasoned professor and author, focusing on Doctrine and Covenants sections 85 to 87. This segment delves deep into the intersection of faith and military service, exploring how Latter-day Saints navigate their spiritual commitments amidst the chaos of war.

Interactions with President Nelson at Walter Reed Medical Center

Dr. Robert Freeman opens the conversation by recounting a significant interaction with President Russell M. Nelson at the prestigious Walter Reed Medical Center. He recalls being invited to witness President Nelson deliver a lecture commemorating the centennial of the medical facility.

[00:07] Bob: "He gave a tremendous lecture. I was fortunate to be able to join him for that occasion... Those mostly not Latter-day Saints who were present... revered him for the great medical contribution he was able to make."

This encounter highlights President Nelson's esteemed standing both as a leader and a medical professional, leaving a lasting impression on attendees and underscoring his role as a peacemaker shaped by his military service.

Standing in Holy Places During War

Hank Smith introduces the episode's central theme by referencing the poignant scripture from Doctrine and Covenants 87:8: "Wherefore, stand ye in holy places, and be not moved."

[02:41] Hank: "The title for this week comes from the very last verse of the lesson... How do you stand in holy places in war?"

Dr. Freeman responds by sharing personal experiences and anecdotes that illustrate how soldiers maintain their sacred connection to faith amidst the perils of combat.

[03:10] Bob: "In a war context, a foxhole can be a holy place. I always had one in my heart... I think of they really felt it intensely in that moment."

He emphasizes the importance of constant prayer and the profound spiritual commitments that sustain soldiers during their service, transforming ordinary locations into sanctified spaces.

Personal Stories from Wartime

John Bytheway contributes by narrating a heartfelt story from his book, Saints at War, detailing an impromptu sacrament service conducted under dire conditions.

[07:54] John: "We had about 50 Latter-day Saint young men there... It was one of the most spiritual services I had ever attended."

The narrative captures the emotional depth and fervent faith of soldiers who, despite the surrounding chaos, find solace and strength in their religious practices. This act of faith not only reinforces their spiritual bonds but also serves as a beacon of hope and resilience.

The Story of Horst Hilbert: A German Saint in WWII

Hank Smith introduces a moving account of Horst Hilbert, a German Latter-day Saint soldier during World War II, illustrating that faith transcends national and cultural boundaries.

[29:30] Hank: "This really touches me, Bob, because it gives me a new perspective that the Lord is not on one side of this. He is on both sides with these saints."

Dr. Freeman elaborates on Horst's harrowing experience and subsequent divine intervention that spared his life, juxtaposed with the heartfelt prayers of his family back home.

[34:19] Bob: "That just touched my heart, Bob, to think of saints on the other side of here it is in World War II."

This story underscores the universal nature of faith and the idea that divine support and spiritual strength are accessible to all, regardless of their circumstances or affiliations.

Additional Stories of Faith and Resilience

The conversation further explores various narratives of Latter-day Saints in different wartime contexts, highlighting their unwavering faith and the profound impact of spiritual support systems.

[16:28] John: "He felt invincible after that... But he did return home a whole man."

Dr. Freeman shares the inspiring story of David Stock, a Vietnam veteran whose faith was bolstered by a priesthood holder's blessing during his injury, illustrating the tangible impact of faith in critical moments.

Additionally, they discuss the poignant tale portrayed in the movie Saints and Soldiers, where serendipitous encounters between soldiers lead to lasting bonds and life-changing realizations about faith and humanity.

[31:49] Bob: "He was really grateful for that. What a chance encounter and oh, grateful his life was preserved."

Reflections and Conclusions

As the episode draws to a close, Dr. Freeman emphasizes the importance of remembering and honoring the sacrifices of those who serve in the military, while also advocating for peace and the cessation of hostilities.

[35:27] Bob: "We never intend to glorify war... But they do stand as a witness to us of terribly important experiences that we can hope to learn from."

Hank and John echo these sentiments, expressing deep gratitude towards veterans and active-duty service members, reinforcing the podcast's commitment to fostering a respectful and educational dialogue around faith and military service.

[36:38] Hank: "We send a prayer and our love to any veterans listening... Thank you for your service."

Notable Quotes

• Bob Freeman at [00:07]: "He gave a tremendous lecture... revered him for the great medical contribution he was able to make."

• Hank Smith at [02:41]: "How do you stand in holy places in war?"

• John Bytheway at [07:54]: "It was one of the most spiritual services I had ever attended."

• Bob Freeman at [16:28]: "He did return home a whole man."

• Bob Freeman at [35:27]: "We never intend to glorify war... They stand as a witness to us of terribly important experiences."

Conclusion

This episode of followHIM masterfully intertwines personal testimonies, historical accounts, and scriptural insights to explore the profound role of faith in the lives of Latter-day Saints serving in the military. Through heartfelt narratives and reflective discussions, hosts Hank Smith and John Bytheway, alongside Dr. Robert Freeman, offer listeners a deepened understanding of how spiritual resilience and divine support sustain individuals amidst the trials of war.

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