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Hank
Foreign. Welcome to another. Follow him. Favorites this is where John and I are sharing a single story to go with each week's lesson. John, we're in sections 23, 24, 25, and 26 of the doctrine and Covenants, and you've told me you have a story.
John
Yeah, Hank, we had a great discussion when we did these sections, and one of the little phrases that's here is, lay aside the things of this world and seek for the things of a better. And you said something about having apps that you ought to delete, and it reminded me of a story. I have a little book called I Still Want to Be an Astronaut by James Perry.
Hank
I know James. He's a great guy.
John
Yeah, he's great. He said. I know I talk about Matt Mies a lot, usually in a good light, but he suggested a corrupt app to me once. It's called Adventure Capitalist. And you click a button to pretend to start a business. Then you click a button to pretend to sell stuff. Then you click a button so the computer clicks the button for you. That is the entire game. And for some evil reason, it is so addicting because you see your money go up and up and you can get upgrades. One upgrade makes you start the whole game over, but this time it goes faster. So you make money faster, but you have to do the whole thing again. That way there's no end in sight and you keep going back to make sure all the buttons are clicked. There is no skill, and it is the devil. My life changed the day I deleted the app. It was the bravest thing I did that day, and I was finally free. I couldn't keep going into the app to check it because it wasn't there anymore. You have to actually delete the app. You. You have to commit or your suffering will never end. It does not matter how much work you put into the app. If it is bad for you, it is bad for you. You can't say, I put so much work into making this cake out of gunpowder and thorns and sin, so I have to eat it now. In economics, it's called sunk cost because you can't get your money back. It's sunk. But you can decide not to waste the money you still have on it. Don't keep making a decision. You know, it's just bad because you've already spent a ton of time making it. Let it go. It's in the past. And move forward with better decisions. Seriously, though, delete the app.
Hank
That is awesome. That's funny. We need to have Matt and James on the podcast with us.
John
Oh, we wouldn't get anything done. We just sit there and laugh. Yeah.
Hank
Yeah.
John
I love the idea. Lay aside the things of this world, seek for the things of a better. And Hank, you told me about a student.
Hank
Yeah. She said that she deleted an app and we were talking about the parable of the sower and how apps could be like weeds. Right. They take all of our time but don't give anything back. She said, I just realized that I have deleted an app and then re downloaded it. And that's like pulling out a weed and then going and finding it and replanting it back in your garden. We had a good laugh about that. So, John, maybe verse 10 would be, Lay aside the apps of this world and seek for the things of a better. And that could be the gospel library app.
John
There you go, James.
Hank
Thank you for that awesome story. Hey, come join us on our full podcast. It's called Follow Him. You can get it wherever you get your podcasts. We are with Morgan Pearson this week. She's a podcaster and a journalist. She loves Emma Smith. It shows when she tells her story.
John
Yeah.
Hank
And then come back here next week. We'll do another Follow him favorites.
Podcast Summary: followHIM Favorites – "Replanting Weeds" (March 17-23)
Release Date: March 13, 2025
In the "Replanting Weeds" episode of the followHIM Favorites series, hosts Hank Smith and John Bytheway delve into sections 23 through 26 of the Doctrine and Covenants, exploring themes of prioritizing spiritual growth over worldly distractions. Through engaging stories and insightful discussions, they illuminate how modern challenges, such as digital addictions, can impede one’s spiritual journey and offer practical advice on overcoming these obstacles.
John’s Story: John shares a compelling narrative inspired by James Perry’s book I Still Want to Be an Astronaut. He discusses the addictive nature of the app "Adventure Capitalist," illustrating how seemingly innocuous digital engagements can become detrimental.
App Mechanics: The game’s repetitive actions—starting a business, selling products, and automating clicks—create a loop that encourages endless engagement without real skill or fulfillment.
Addiction and Liberation: John recounts how deleting the app was a pivotal moment for him, symbolizing liberation from its addictive grip. He emphasizes the necessity of taking decisive action to break free from harmful habits.
John (00:38): "That is the entire game. And for some evil reason, it is so addicting because you see your money go up and up and you can get upgrades...my life changed the day I deleted the app. It was the bravest thing I did that day, and I was finally free."
Economic Principle Applied Spiritually: John introduces the concept of the "sunk cost fallacy," explaining that past investments (time, effort, resources) should not dictate future decisions, especially when the current path is harmful.
John (02:08): "In economics, it's called sunk cost because you can't get your money back. It's sunk. But you can decide not to waste the money you still have on it."
Weeds as Distractions: Hank and John draw parallels between addictive apps and weeds in a garden, both consuming time and providing no real benefit.
Hank (02:27): "It's like pulling out a weed and then going and finding it and replanting it back in your garden."
Student’s Experience: A student shares her experience of deleting and re-downloading an app, likening it to replanting a weed despite efforts to remove it, underscoring the challenge of breaking free from digital distractions.
Deleting Harmful Apps: Both hosts advocate for the intentional removal of detrimental digital applications as a means to prioritize spiritual pursuits.
John (02:20): "Seriously, though, delete the app."
Moving Forward: Emphasizing the importance of letting go of past habits to make better decisions in the future, aligning actions with spiritual goals.
John (02:20): "Let it go. It's in the past. And move forward with better decisions."
John on App Addiction and Liberation (00:38):
"There is no skill, and it is the devil. My life changed the day I deleted the app. It was the bravest thing I did that day, and I was finally free."
John on the Sunk Cost Fallacy (02:08):
"It's sunk. But you can decide not to waste the money you still have on it."
Hank on Weeds as Distractions (02:27):
"It's like pulling out a weed and then going and finding it and replanting it back in your garden."
The episode underscores the pervasive nature of digital distractions and their capacity to hinder spiritual progress. By sharing personal anecdotes and relatable analogies, Hank and John effectively communicate the necessity of conscious decision-making in the digital age. They advocate for the deliberate removal of harmful apps and the embracing of spiritual practices that foster genuine growth and fulfillment. The discussion highlights the importance of overcoming the sunk cost fallacy, encouraging listeners to prioritize long-term well-being over short-term distractions.
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