In Episode 61 Dr. Nicholas Ng-A-Fook interviews Dr. Garry Gottfriedson and Dr. Victoria Handford. Strongly rooted in his Secwépemc cultural teachings Dr. Garry Gottfriedson holds a Master of Arts Education degree from Simon Fraser University and Master of Fine Arts in Creative Writing from the Naropa Institute in Colorado. He has published numerous books of poetry. He has also been awarded two honorary doctorates from the University of Northern British Columbia and Thompson Rivers University. Dr. Victoria (Tory) Handford holds a doctorate in Education Leadership from OISE at the University of Toronto. She is a professor in the Faculty of Education and Social Work at Thompson Rivers University. She has co-edited and written several books that address the experiences of faculty in Canadian Universities. We discussed the following: The regional differences of the places we call home, importance of intergenerational relations to land and language, being a Secwépemc cultural advisor, leading professional (un)learning conversations on Truths before Reconcilia(c)tion, collaborations on teaching and writing, disrupting traditional forms of academic writing, poetry, short stories, children’s stories, Dangling in the Glimmer of Hope: Academic Action on Truth and Reconciliation, their hopes, and so much more.