Asking Aditya Madiraju the MESSIEST QUESTIONS (he has to answer)

Summary

Fool Coverage (July 17, 2026)

Asking Aditya Madiraju the MESSIEST QUESTIONS (he has to answer)

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Episode Overview

In this fun, candid, and unfiltered episode, beauty gurus Manny MUA and Laura Lee welcome special guest Aditya Madiraju (Addy) onto Fool Coverage for a deep-dive into his journey from finance to full-time beauty creator, viral moments, the inner workings of the influencer world, and, of course, the messiest, shadiest, and juiciest beauty questions they can muster. The trio laugh their way through honest confessions, industry hot takes, and rapid-fire scenarios—bringing both heart and hilarity to the table.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Welcoming Addy & Vibes Check

• Manny and Laura express genuine affection for Addy, describing his presence as “comforting” and “like home” ([01:25-01:47]):
  • “He feels like home. I know. I just saw you in New York. I was like, oh, thank God.” — Manny
  • “Only my husband has said that to me. And you’re the second person who said that to me.” — Addy

Peaks & Pits of the Week

• Peak: Family time at Disneyland, matching diamonds, 10-hour sleeps, and sweet memories ([03:15-03:54])
  • “My daughter was here with my husband ... Disneyland, shopping, family matching small diamonds. She loves hotels.” — Addy
• Pit: Emotional airport goodbye (“All three of us are crying. The Uber guy is like, why are you all crying?” [04:13])
• Mini Pit: Addy laments his hair struggles for the show and jokingly admits to rocking “chicken legs” in shorts ([04:36-05:05])

Addy’s Journey From Finance to Beauty

• Addy recounts his journey:
  • Always loved beauty, did makeup for family, but “didn’t know you could make money” from tutorials ([06:05-06:29])
  • High-achieving academic background: master’s in microbiology, business, and work in finance (AIG, Morgan Stanley, etc.).
  • Pandemic was the pivot—he quit after microaggressive comments, then he and his husband (dance company owner, also struggling due to COVID) invested savings into social media content ([07:14])
  • Viral break: Fenty Beauty “just showed up from nowhere,” paid him a full (and first) rate ([08:06])
  • Hit 1 million Instagram followers on Dec 17, 2023 ([08:48])

“Who knew you could make money posting makeup tutorials?” — Addy [06:16]

Going Viral: Not a Bridal Tutorial!

• Internet says Addy’s “bridal Indian tutorial” made him famous, Addy corrects:
  • Viral moment was a “blush placement” tutorial—now at 120M views across platforms ([08:30-08:48])

Industry Observations & Beauty Philosophy

• Addy sought renewal by attending Make Up For Ever Academy in Paris—because he felt bored by influencer content (“So many tricks … but half of them are my own!” [10:50])
• Loves to educate and share secrets—unlike “gatekeeping” artists, transparency is Addy’s jam ([11:28-11:43])
• Not a “shading” reviewer; doesn’t do stunts for views ([11:16])

The French Approach

• Observes cultural contrast: “France makes so much makeup, but they don’t wear any” ([12:02]); their ‘soft glam’ is truly soft/minimal.

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The “Messiest” Questions Segment

1. Which Beauty Brand Needs a Rebrand? ([13:49])

• Addy: Fenty Beauty.
  • “They’re a good brand, but I just don’t see enough footprint online now.” — Addy [13:58]
• Others discussed as needing rebrands: Anastasia Beverly Hills (ABH), REM, House Labs (successfully did this)

2. Have You Ever Unfollowed a Creator After Meeting Them? ([18:13])

• Addy: “Yes, and also followed some after getting to know them. Not everyone’s your people.”
  • Stresses importance of curating energy/connections; mutes creators he doesn’t vibe with
• Manny: Admits to “hate watching” some creators ([19:59])

3. Dumbest Beauty Drama Witnessed? ([22:00])

• Addy & group: Charlotte Tilbury “dupe” drama—calls it pointless and unnecessary
  • “What do people want her [Charlotte Tilbury] to say? ‘Yeah, go buy the dupe’? … She’s the most duped brand and people expect her to be happy about it?” — Addy [22:29]
• Group consensus: social media jumps on founders out of context for clicks
• Other “dumb” dramas mentioned: Michaela’s hauls/closet backlash, Jaclyn Hill’s hurricane vs. earthquake comments ([30:04-31:56])

4. Beauty Guru “Icks” ([32:45])

• Addy: “When creators announce they’re giving an ‘honest review’—shouldn’t reviews always be honest?” ([33:00])
  • “If you have to say it, shouldn’t your audience already know your reviews are honest?” ([33:18])
• Discusses influencer manipulation tactics: negative reviews to set up launches, “blueprint” for influencer marketing ([35:52-36:44])

5. Brand Trips: Negative Experiences? ([39:52])

• Addy: None, due to clear boundaries and a great management team. Emphasizes you don’t get paid for trips, so boundaries are a must: “They’re not your sugar daddy!”
• Laura/Manny: Horror stories from OG brand trip days—being abandoned in countries, no food, left alone. The “golden age” of gifting (Tarte giving away Cartier bracelets, iPads) is mostly over ([45:05])
• Brand trips' value: Genuine connections and friendships (“I know you all from brand trips … It’s not the same as internet interaction.” — Addy [44:25])

6. Beauty Hot Take ([46:53])

• Addy: “No product is actually bad; you just need to know how to use it and like the creator/brand.” ([47:07-47:18])
  • “Everything is political now … If I took canceled products and put them in new packaging, people might love them.” ([47:26])

7. Product Fails & Honest Opinions ([49:00])

• Worst launches: ABH Subculture (“Tap the palette, it would explode!”), Kylie’s original matte liquid lipsticks (“Too dry”), $300 Kylie brushes flopped due to price.
• Calls out the lack of innovation in lip kits (matching liner and lipstick, no dimension).

8. Dealing with Inauthentic Brand Opportunities ([55:40])

• Addy: “When you’re small, you can’t say no, but you have to balance honesty ... Now, I just say no. Money comes and goes, community stays forever.” ([57:07, 57:25, 57:29])

9. Brand/Influencer Relations & Paid Partnerships ([61:32])

• Addy observes some marketers now suggest shifting spending away from influencers to AI and in-house content, but motives are self-serving.
• Brands are learning to trust creators more—letting creators script and concept campaigns leads to better results (“They want you because they trust you to create.” — Laura [62:53])

10. Influencer to Model? ([65:12])

• Laura shares how Coach learned to let influencers “be influencers”—don’t force fashion content from non-fashion creators.
• Manny and Addy joke about Manny’s infamous runway walk (“At this point, I just own it; it’s camp.” [66:25-67:25])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Honest Reviews:
  “I wore a t-shirt the other day which said ‘honest reviews only’ because I thought it was funny.” — Addy [33:11]
• On Boundaries:
  “My managers are sharp sharks … I would literally pull out of a brand trip if they’re asking for too much. They’re not your sugar daddy!” — Addy [39:52]
• On Brand/PR “Friendships”:
  “PR people that work for a brand—their job is like, to pretend to be your friend… If you’re in it for long enough, you smell it a mile away.” — Laura [41:30]
• On Viral Content:
  “If you look up, like, your Wikipedia … have, like, a bridal Indian [tutorial], but no … it was a blush placement.” — Addy [08:30]
• On Cancel Culture and Brand Drama:
  “No product is bad anymore. Is it in your price point? Do you like the owner? … Do you know the technique? That’s all.” — Addy [24:43]
• On Manipulative Reviews:
  “They start giving negative reviews … and then three weeks later, a collab with a brand—like the best eyeliner in the world.” — Addy [36:10]
• On Makeup vs Skincare ([69:52]):
  “I live for makeup, but I would not die for makeup—I would die for skincare.” — Addy [70:09]
• On Extensions & Mascara ([71:39]):
  “Yes, [my lashes] are real…One two coats of L’Oreal Extensionist—it’s the best mascara in the world. I won't get a mascara deal after this, but I’m saying it!” — Addy [71:51-72:08]
• On Old Photos:
  “I have like, two dick pics, but I don’t send them or take them anymore. But they’re deep in the history.” — Manny [73:00]
• On Industry Evolution:
  “We’re learning … OGs, we figured it out by suffering so you don’t have to.” — Laura [43:49]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Peaks & Pits: [03:14–05:29]
• Addy’s Beauty Journey: [06:05–09:02]
• Going Viral/Blush Placement: [08:26–09:09]
• Fresh Perspective on Beauty/Academy: [10:00–12:32]
• Messiest Questions Begin: [13:48]
• Brand Rebrands: [13:49–15:49]
• Unfollowing Influencers: [18:13–19:59]
• Beauty Guru Drama: [22:00–26:31]
• Honest Review “Icks”: [32:59–36:44]
• Brand Trips & PR Realness: [39:52–45:29]
• Hot Takes on Product Quality: [46:53–49:00]
• Product Launch Flops: [49:00–50:49]
• Brand Deals/Creator Suggestions: [55:40–61:32]
• Brand Influence vs. Modeling: [65:12–67:28]
• Rapid-Fire “Would You Rather”: [69:46–73:47]

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Recurring Themes

• Authenticity over trend-chasing: The value of being honest and real on (and off) camera.
• Boundaries and business: Why having a backbone with brands and PR is non-negotiable if you want to last.
• The landscape for influencers is shifting: More transparency, brand accountability, and creator input in campaigns.
• Critique culture: The obsession with drama and call-outs, and how that shapes the perception of what’s “honest” content.
• Humorous self-awareness: From viral campaign fails to random screenshots, nothing is off-limits for laughs.

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Tone & Language

• Relentlessly candid, playful, and self-aware.
• Brimming with inside jokes and influencer tea (“I literally have two dick pics, deep history”), but always with mutual respect and a wink.
• Unfiltered opinions, but with thoughtful takes on both beauty and business—making the conversation both hilarious and genuinely insightful.

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For New Listeners

If you missed it: This episode dives into what it really means to be a beauty influencer today; from behind-the-scenes viral moments to learning how to set boundaries, handling haters, and why authenticity is the only real currency in the industry. Addy’s candor balances perfectly with Manny and Laura’s irrepressible humor, making it a must-listen for beauty fans, content creators, and digital culture observers alike.

Transcript

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It doesn't get more honest than this.

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I think you definitely have some fresh dick pics.

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I should delete them, huh? This bitch cat's head. Fake, fake, fake, fake, fake. All these funny bitches.

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I feel like the audience thinks that if a review is negative, it's honest.

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Honest reviews only.

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I'm so honest. I'm fucking rock hard right now.

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Welcome to your favorite podcast. It's full coverage with your host, Laura Lee and Manny Mua.

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And we're here with a gorgeous, amazing special guest. We have Adi Aditya here.

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Hi.

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My fellow beauty boy. Our girly.

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Our sister.

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Our sister.

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Our sister.

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That's right.

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We're so happy to have you because we actually really like you a lot.

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You see me smiling. I never smile like this.

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You see me smiling for real? Yeah.

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But I never smile like this. Ponymon. But I love you guys.

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We are obsessed with you. So every time I'm around him, I'm like, at least Addie was there.

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He feels like home. I know. I just saw you in New York. I was like, oh, thank God.

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I know.

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Oh, that was so sweet of you. I feel like home.

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Yeah.

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Only my husband has said that to me.

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Oh.

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And you're the second person who said that to me.

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Comfort person to be around.

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Like, you're my french fry too.

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Like, that's my comfort food. Oh, that's cute. I love that. But I also like, say I always like. Because Laura is very much like, she loves her gaze and so she feels. I know. She feels at home with the gays.

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Yeah. Yes.

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So whenever, like you're there, I'm like,

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yeah, she does give like a gay dude stuck in her body kind of a thing. Which is great. Which is great.

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I cannot agree more.

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Which is so true. And I've been consistent. You can check the throwback. She can go back to 16 before

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she was always gay.

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We can confirm she was always gay.

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And fabulous.

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I just love that you're here and it's just gonna be a chill ass chit chat episode. But also, what was really funny, I was like texting with Addy and he's like, what are we gonna talk about? I'm like, we can just talk about cute, like beginning of life stuff. And he's like, I wanna be kind of shady.

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I said that. Oh, I don't remember.

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I don't remember saying that.

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I was like, you did? Maybe I have proof in my phone.

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Listen.

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And I was like, yes.

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I'm scared. You know what the problem is? I'm so comfortable with both of you that I need to hold back and not get cancelled by the end of this.

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We're gonna get you. No, no, trust me. It's literally you're sending me a. I got cancelled because literally. Just chill. It'll be fun. And the questions, honestly are. They're not even like crazy. They're just like more like fun questions that are actually interesting. Not like, you know, dumb things.

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100%.

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But first, of course, peaks and pits.

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Tell us.

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So the peak is this sitting with both of you, the OGs, and filming this podcast. And my daughter was here with my husband for the last three days. We went to Disneyland, we took her shopping, we got family matching small diamonds and stuff. And I loved it. And she had the best time. She loves hotels. I love hotels. I sleep the best in hotels. And we slept every day. We went to bed and we woke up after 10 hours. It was great. I don't even sleep that much at home. And she's always ready to go, but she was super comfy. She was like, I love this bed. I want to jump around, put the tv, get me my room service. And we were like, you know what?

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Diva is exactly what I imagine you would. Diva.

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My husband's like rolling his eyes. But we loved it.

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Yeah, I love it.

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Disney was fun.

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I.

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We realize I am more obsessed with princesses than she is.

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I understand. As a gay. I understand. Yeah.

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I saw Jasmine. I saw Ariel.

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Ariel. Hello.

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So cool.

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So good. So good.

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Amazing pits of the week.

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There were multiple. The first thing is they left and I feel so bad. I was like super emotional. I put them on a flight today in the morning, and she was crying, so I Started crying, and then my husband started crying. All three of us are crying. The Uber guy is like, why are you all crying?

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I'm like, I don't know.

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He's like, get out.

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Yeah. He's like, we're gonna see. I'm gonna fly back home tomorrow. Literally. Yeah.

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Are you going home tomorrow?

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Yeah, tomorrow night. So it's like. It's fine. It's fine.

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I think that was your hair. Is that a pit?

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What? My hair.

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So, yeah, let's go.

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Listen, listen, listen. There's no shade here, but I wanted my hair to look a certain way for this podcast. Like, I really, like what? Thought this through. It didn't work out. And I'm really, really. A lot of hairspray. I mean, I'll plug a product in if you want me to.

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Hello?

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Yeah, it's l' Oreal Elnette, the best friend.

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We all love l' Oreal here. Trust me.

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Yeah, exactly. So I just hairsprayed it, and it looks fine. It doesn't look extraordinary. And I'm wearing shorts, which I never wear because I have chicken legs, so backpack bits.

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His legs are fine.

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He has great legs. I'm serving you guys if you're a listener. He does not. I'm giving drumstick dip. Like.

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Like.

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But the og. The.

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The. Like the grilled one. Not the crusty, dusty one.

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Not the crusty one.

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Not the crusty one. Yeah, but that's it.

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It's always with the hair. But the hair thing.

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But I'm okay with it now. I. I've come to terms with it. We tried, and it's fine. Things happen.

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It is what it is. You got to a good spot.

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Yes.

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And it looks great. You look great. Whatever. Should we just go into it?

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We should just go into.

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I think we should just go into. I want to ask you questions. To ask. That was just funny.

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You answer what you want to answer. You have to answer.

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Yeah, no, literally, before we get into the questions, questions I did want to ask about, like, your, like, beginning of your career in beauty, because you didn't just do beauty before you were in finance, which I did find so fascinating because one of our closest friends was in finance, and he, like, kind of, like, changed his trajectory as well. And so it's, like, so cool to me to hear that. But how did you get into beauty? Because, you know, you've amassed millions of followers and people love you, so.

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Thank you.

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I want to ask that.

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So I think beauty was always there, like, growing up. I did my mom's makeup, my Cousin's makeup and stuff like that. Also, if you're gay, you just fucking know how to put a lipstick on

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and a blush on.

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That's just it. Like, you just know it.

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You're entranced by it. Yeah.

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Unless you're like the mask. Mask gay and you're like. Like, you know, bro. Which is fine. Good for you. I'm not that. So I think beauty was always there, but I never took it seriously because I didn't know you can make money.

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Yeah.

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Like posting makeup tutorials. Who knew, right? So obviously I had to study something. And I was a biology student, so I did my master's in microbiology, bachelor's in microbiology, master's in food microbiology. Business administration was also a part of it. And then I went on to work.

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So I did.

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I did the whole thing. Aig, Morgan Stanley, Fannie Mae, ristick.

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You did all of it. Do you hear math now?

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I actually flunked.

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But Excel, you don't need that. That's just.

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You learn it on the job. Whatever you do. Trust me, nobody in those corporate world knows what they're doing. They just learn it on the job.

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Right.

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It's just. It's just keeping certain people higher up there happy.

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Yeah.

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That's just it. No matter how you do it or get it done by somebody, that's it.

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Wow.

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I got really good at my job because it was mostly talking.

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Yeah.

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Convincing people that they're at risk and they need to have some compliance in place. And I did a good job at that. And I was right. So that was my old life. And then Covid happened. I walked out of my job because I got pissed at some comments that somebody made.

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In person. In person.

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In person. I stood up and I said, I quit. And I walked out of my job. And Covid happened. And we were broke because my husband owns a dance company. But that was also not working because Covid. Right, right. We were not broke broke, but, like, we were tapping into our savings for Indians. That's like a scary thing.

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We do not touch our savings.

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Like, savings are savings.

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Right.

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Those are not checking. So we were spending that. And we were, like, really nervous because we were planning on having a baby. And that's very expensive. Surrogacy is super expensive. So we had to do something. So we started posting videos. I started doing makeup tutorials online. And Fenty Beauty just showed up from nowhere. And they were like, oh, we want to give you a deal, Fenty. Yeah.

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Was that like one of your first big deals?

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One of the first Deals where they paid me my full rate.

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Wow.

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Yeah. I don't know where Fenty is right now because I don't see them a lot.

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Right, right.

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And that's the truth. But they, like, believed in me, and I still. I always love them. And then l', Oreal, they've been super kind to me. So that's literally how I got launched into the beauty space. And so I heard you had a

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viral Indian makeup tutorial. Bridal.

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Bridal.

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Bridal tutorial. If you look up, like, your Wikipedia talks about, you have, like, a bridal Indian that made you, like, famous where.

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No, it was a blush placement. Where does the blush go?

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Was it like, the lines?

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Yes, like, that got me like, 90. Like, it's at 120 million views on three platforms right now.

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Now. Wow.

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Yeah, something like that. Don't quote me on that. Yeah, but that's launched me. That launched me on. So on December 17, 2023, I hit 1 million followers on Instagram.

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Oh, love.

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I'm a dates guy. I remember dates.

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Love that. Yeah. And.

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Yeah, that's just it. That launched my beauty career.

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That is so crazy. So it's the blush placement, not the bridal tutorial?

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No, it, like, bridal. It's. There's no Indian bridal tutorial. Like, I just shot one for Maybelline. But the thing is, it's just glam. Indians don't do anything, like, crazy.

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Like, it's the whole look. It's literally.

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It's a dupatta, it's a saree. It's the whole vibe that creates an Indian bride. That's any bride.

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Right.

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Otherwise, just, like, fucking soft glam. We do it every. You have a soft clam on right now. Like, you look like an Indian bride,

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you know, Some shimmer Indian bride, I hear. Yeah.

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I mean, we can find you Indian, man. I have a lot of friends if you're into that. Yeah, I know you love your curry.

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I love my curry. You know, Exactly.

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That you did.

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I just think it's really cool that you, like, went from, like, full, like, corporate America to beauty full time.

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100.

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So exciting. It's, like, so fascinating. And I feel like you really love beauty. Like, down. Like, you literally just went to school for, like, beauty.

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Yeah, I went to.

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Which is so sickening.

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Yeah.

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Tell us about this.

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First of all, I would eat a blush if I could. Love makeup guys. Like, nothing makes me happy like makeup does. And I feel like I just. I'm holding on with all the strength I have because I feel like I only know how to do makeup now. Maybe I'm not good at it, but,

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like, I have my own perspective. You're so good at makeup.

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I just want to hear that.

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But I was like, he's so I'm over here.

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Like, no, but thank you. But you know the imposter syndrome, when you have done so many things, you feel like, what is that thing?

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Jack of all trades traits, Master of none.

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But so it's always in my head, right? Because mom and dad were like, you have to stick to one thing and be good at it.

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Subconscious belief.

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Yes, exactly.

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But yeah, I went to school, I went to Paris to make a forever academy. That's been an idea in my head for two years. And people were like, he's coming up with something. It has to be a strategy. I was like, no, I'm paying for

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myself, paying for my hotel.

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I'm going to do this course and I just want to learn new technique because I'll be honest, I am bored of what's out there in the beauty community. It is so boring. There are so many tips and tricks. Half of them are my own. And I'm like, wait, this seems like every other video I make. I need to learn. You always have to learn.

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Totally. Of course.

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Have to learn and grow and come up with a unique perspective. And I'm not the guy who shades brand to get views. I'm not the guy who will put like 10 pumps of foundation on face.

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I love that you say that. So.

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So I had to do something, right? And education is the best I could do. Like, I love learning and I love teaching. I always say makeup artists hate me because I see them beat my face and I share all the tips with everybody.

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Totally.

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That's what I do. So I went to the school, two weeks, 10, 11 hour days, standing on my feet, doing three models per day, learning exactly how to do it from scratch. And I feel like my technique has changed quite a bit.

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Have.

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And I feel so much more confident.

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Really? Do you feel like, like going there, did you learn things that you would not have thought to do yourself?

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No, I would not have known how to do it in an easier way by myself without overthinking it. So.

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Because, like, almost like minimizing it in a way, you know?

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You know, this is my thing with France, right? They make so much makeup, but they don't wear any.

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Like, they don't.

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They like, they would look at my

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face right now and they'd be like, oh, my God, do you have somewhere to go? I'm like, no, this is how I roam around.

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This is my normal.

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I go to Target like this, like you know, Whole Foods, but they were like, wow, that's a lot of makeup. I'm like, is it? And then I realized they don't really wear makeup. So it was like very much like their soft glam is like very, very minimal.

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Yeah.

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Our soft Glam is 10 layers of powder and baking it is. Their soft glam is actually soft and

[B]

easy what you're saying.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

So yeah, their makeup is like you're not wearing makeup. They're soft glam. Like one dog concealer, Haley vibes.

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They're more like a red lipstick stick in no other makeup. You know, like that look that's French. Like that's French makeup. So that's so cool though. I love. You're a refreshing person. There's like, I say there's like five people that I really, really love. That's like, you know, this new decade of like beauty influencers and you're definitely top of that list.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And I'm not just saying because a lot of people get on our Me and Minnie's nerves. Okay.

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I kind of do know a few

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of them because I literally talked to you. I was like, stand this, can't stand this. Fake, fake, fake, fake. All these funny.

[C]

I feel like you're very like what you see is what you get and you never have a motive. Like I feel like when you review stuff, you're not going to jump on a hate train just cuz everybody's hating on this. Or you're not going to jump on a love train just cuz everybody's loving this. You say what you want to say and if people get mad, you'll talk about it. But you're like not going to change your opinion. And I love that. I, I think it's so needed and so refreshing in the industry. So that's another reason I love you so much. Okay. We have some. We wanted to just like get people to get to know you and hear like where you came from and your background. But we have some like fun questions we want to ask you.

[A]

Go for it.

[C]

Which beauty brand needs a rebrand badly?

[A]

Oh my God. Wait, I think Fenty Beauty.

[C]

There you go.

[A]

Everybody's talking about it.

[B]

There's articles out there, Conversation recently.

[A]

They're a good brand, they're great brand. I just don't see enough footprint online now.

[C]

I don't know, not enough footprint.

[A]

I just, I just have to look for them.

[C]

Yeah, same.

[A]

And that is so Weird because it used to be everywhere before.

[C]

You know, House Labs was like that when they first launched and they.

[A]

Amazon House Labs.

[B]

Remember they used to be Amazon and it was black. Like they had like the little side.

[C]

No digital footprint. Like it just was not hitting. I feel like REM is kind of that way too. Like they need just like a little. And House Labs rebranded. Exploded. Yep, exploded.

[B]

And you're gonna see what they're doing constantly. Like it's actually like people are out there interested.

[A]

I mean it'll be refreshing. Like Rihanna's done what she's done for so long, right?

[B]

Totally.

[A]

I mean a cool facelift. Like Makeup Forever. Did a whole facelift.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

The whole Super Boost line, which is younger. Like it's, it's. I. I think it looks cool. I think every brand needs that.

[B]

I think actually. Yeah. Yes, I think so.

[C]

You have to. A little ABH is another one. I feel like ABH used to be the number one beauty brand in the world and now it's crickets. But I think they do okay. I just think they need to make it. Rein it again.

[A]

I agree with you. They'll always have a soft spot because they were the first brand who believed in me to do a lip kit with me. Like that was my Diwali Lip Kit 2, three years ago.

[B]

Really? Yeah. I love that.

[A]

But the thing is, you're right. I think ABH needs one. Fenty Beauty needs one. I think so. REM needs a messaging.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Almost like maybe you know what it is maybe like a point of view. I think a lot of. Yes, they need a Michaela.

[A]

You're right.

[B]

A lot of people like need a point of view like what their selling and like selling. Cuz it's not just about selling makeup, it's about selling behind the makeup. The vibe.

[C]

There's no vibe there. Cuz like Galactic Princess is like it's too niche. Like it's cutesy is niche also cool products, but it's not going to hit the mainstream audience.

[A]

I agree.

[C]

Okay. You want to ask.

[B]

I want to ask that one. Okay.

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Have you ever? I have. So that's why I'm like asking it have you ever unfollowed a creator after you met them? So like, let's say you fought like you followed them before because you're like oh, we're mutuals, we're cool. But you meet them the first time, you're like no. And then you won't follow them. Has that ever happened before? You don't have to say the person.

[A]

No, no, I won't say the person. But I feel like, yes. And I have followed some creators after actually getting to know them.

[B]

Same.

[C]

Okay, see? Yeah.

[B]

Not the opposite. So the opposite.

[A]

Yeah. Not because I hate them, not because I don't respect them. I feel like they're not my people. Everybody cannot be your people. You have to pick and choose. And sometimes you need to have a little bit of distance, respect them and just maintain a distance and be like, I'm okay with this. That doesn't mean they are bad people. That doesn't mean they're not honest. They're everything. It's just that they're not my people.

[C]

Yeah, not the vibe.

[A]

And because Internet is so big, you need to pick and choose. Do you guys know in your whole lifetime you're not supposed to remember more than 400 names?

[C]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Brain is not wired to remember that many things because of Internet, we kind of overload it. So has this has ever happened to you where you're at an event and you're like, I know this person, but

[B]

I have no idea.

[A]

And they're like, how are you? And then you start faking it and hugging them.

[B]

Totally.

[A]

Every day, all the time. Yeah. But so I now pick and choose who I really want to get to know. Because there's a lot of energy you spend, right?

[B]

Absolutely. And I don't want to also watching it, consuming it. I've like done this thing where now I mute a lot of creators that I follow that I actually don't really fuck with. But it was more so like I followed them and they followed me because it was like a camaraderie, almost like a.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

In a way. It's like it felt like correct to follow them because of what they were doing. And like I liked what they were doing, but it's. They're not like my kind of people. So I'd rather mute and not like get into like a weird, like, mind space, like, watching them.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Because there's been times and I've told you both this, that I'll watch someone and I'm like, I think I'm hate watching them. Yeah, Like, I'll get annoyed watching them.

[A]

That is so true.

[B]

And I'm annoyed in real life because I watch their video and I go, why the fuck am I doing myself into. Into that like, mind state? So I would rather mute them because it doesn't. It doesn't mean I don't like, like them as, I guess, like a core human being. It's just that, like, their content does not resonate with me. I do not like what they do. And so I was like, I'm just going to mute them, but I can be respectful and not, like, unfollow them because they didn't do anything wrong to me. You know what I mean?

[A]

I mean, that's a struggle. A lot of people struggle with that. They keep following and then it just becomes such a negative space in your heart. Yes. I don't think we need that.

[B]

It's social media and follow move on 100. And part of me, I get, like, scared sometimes. I literally, like, I'll get in my own head about it. Like, I don't want to follow to cause a problem, but it's like.

[A]

But you have to be careful. But you have to be careful.

[B]

Political and personal in a weird way. Yeah.

[A]

Also, TikTok blows it up, guys.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Seen it. Like, I love the followers, but some of them really start, like, they light it up and they leave a comment. They tag you and be like, aren't you copying this person?

[B]

And you're like, I instigate. They instantly.

[A]

I've learned not to react now. I've reacted before and I was wrong. Then I shouldn't have reacted. And I am learning that you just can't be like, yeah, that's like, you

[B]

have to become and just think, too. If you have one second to just have a moment and not react off of emotion or react more on, like, what's, like, reality and what's actually happening, it makes you not be so, like, volatile and like, your own reactions. That's something I've had to learn, like, throughout the years.

[C]

That's not something we both used to be bad about. Like, in 2015, 16 through 18, we would react to so much and get ourselves so much trouble because we were, like, quick at the mouth. Like, we were like, comment back, start slick. You know, Snapchat. Because you could make. Because it's like kind of off to the side. It's not like, IG stories. So you can, like, go off on people. That was like, what would get us.

[B]

Absolutely. I think I'm there. We were reacting.

[A]

I think I was there last year.

[B]

I'm calm down. But it happens. It happens. It really, really does.

[C]

Okay, what is the dumbest beauty guru drama that you've ever witnessed?

[A]

Oh, my God, guys.

[B]

What?

[A]

When you say dumbest, you mean, like, boring?

[C]

No, no, like, just unc. You feel like it's not worth the Drama, Silly drama. Like, what do you think is like, a drama that's just like.

[B]

I'm trying to think of one, too.

[C]

I know.

[B]

I'll think we'll all think of one.

[A]

I don't think beauty guru drama. But the whole Charlotte Tilbury, how the dupes are should be.

[C]

Pull that mic closer to your.

[B]

Let's actually put that in.

[A]

So here's my perspective on that. I think it's very unnecessary. If you go to a brand owner and ask them, hey, do you think the dupe for your power is better than yours? Which sane brand owner be like, yeah, go buy that thumbs up. Like, what do people want her to say?

[B]

And this is how we fuck with you, booze.

[A]

But really, what do people want her to say? Yeah, go buy the other one.

[B]

Like, Charlotte Tilbury is the most duped brand in the entire world and you expect Charlotte Tilbury to be happy about being duped? Yeah.

[A]

I don't get it.

[B]

And people are what, the literal. Fuck. Yeah.

[A]

I just don't get it.

[B]

I don't understand.

[A]

Same, same. I'm like, make it make sense. You can say that you like the. Absolutely. Good for you. You want her to say that the.

[C]

The actual Charlotte Tilbury too. Like the person who created and found it and who dupes went viral after her brand. You want her to say, I love

[B]

dupes, because if she's not there, there

[A]

won't be any dupes.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

You all realize that, right?

[C]

Like, if she's Print.

[B]

Exactly. Yes.

[A]

Is it expensive?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I. I like it. Totally.

[B]

Totally.

[A]

I won't stop using it. I have the powder. Yeah.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

They're great too. But it's like dog piling on her for a click.

[B]

Yes, exactly.

[C]

Right now I feel like it's like, listen. Yes, you can disagree with what she had to say. Like, for sure, not D. Consumer. But do you have the mind to take into perspective of who you were talking to and who was asked the question? It wasn't an employee, it wasn't a civilian. It was the Charlotte Tilbury, founder of the brand.

[A]

The owner.

[C]

The owner. The most duped brand in the world. Of course. And I feel like it wasn't even, you know, too harsh.

[B]

Yeah, it's just like, I think the

[A]

hashtag Charlotte Tilbury was trending, so everyone's trying to jump on it. But I was like, wait, this doesn't make any sense. Like, I've seen you use the powder two videos ago. What are you saying? Like, what are you even saying?

[B]

I feel like I genuinely think, like, obviously, like, you were saying. I do think that the way it could have came across could be kind of like put people like a nasty taste in people's mouth. Be like, oh, well, I feel like you can potentially dupe these things. But at the end of the day, as the founder of a brand who. A woman owned founder who has worked so hard.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Done makeup artistry for years and years, creating a brand, creating blueprints for so many other brands, why would she ever be like, I love dupes. I think they're fucking amazing.

[A]

And she can't think about it this way. Right. If the products were really not good, she would not have this long of a lifespan. We have seen beauty community. If the products are not good, people cancel.

[B]

It's gone.

[A]

They're gone. But she's still there. She's still going strong. So clearly there is a consumer base and people get really mad when I say this. No product is bad anymore. Is it in your price point? Do you like the owner who created it? And is it giving you what you want? That's just. And do you know the technique of how to use it? I can take a three dollar powder and make it work because I know the technique. Right. But that doesn't make the expensive powder bad. It's just expensive. It's for a different clientele, like an audience. And we have to be okay with that.

[B]

Hundred percent simple. I agree. I love, I love that you said that. Because I literally was like, we're like, they talk about this.

[C]

We were. You know, it's like I, I completely understand where people are coming from. Whenever it's like you do the consumer people are like, no, you don't. There's amazing drugstore products.

[A]

Absolutely.

[B]

And we get. And it's a nuanced conversation, but you can understand multip.

[C]

But we can also take Charlotte Tilbury's side as the founder of the brand. Because if I was Charlotte Tilbury, I damn sure wouldn't be standing up there going, dupes are great. Rip off my brand. This is fantastic. You know, you like, what do you.

[B]

I just wouldn't either.

[C]

Put her in between a rock and a hard place. I felt like in that interview and I feel like she was just kind

[B]

of like, they're trying to get her.

[C]

They're trying to get her.

[B]

There was a moment like the interviewer was trying to get her and trying to get what I felt almost like call her, not call her out. But they were trying to like get her caught up in her own words. And they did. Did like they literally did. Because at the end of the day, if you're not prepared for a question like, what do you think about duping? And they always do your brand. Like, it's easy to be like, oh, well, like, you can try to do my brand, but it's not gonna be the same quality. What else would she say?

[A]

That's the most logical, sanest response one could ever give. Like, I agree. Yeah.

[B]

What are you supposed to say? It's like, yeah, absolutely. I love dupes. My favorite Charlotte.

[A]

Now you know what to say.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, literally. No, literally. That's literally what people expected.

[C]

She should have said, next question. I'm in. Cheeky. But, you know, you're on the spot. It's like, what do you do? What do you do? But I feel like, you know what? We love Charlotte. We love Duke.

[B]

We can love them.

[C]

Both can exist. Yeah, both can exist.

[A]

Let me ask you this. What's one drama you think is the dumbest drama?

[B]

Okay, right now. That one's my dumbest drama right now.

[A]

Well, you can.

[B]

I said it, girl. We discussed it, But I said. I was like. I brought it up first. But when the camera falls off, he did, he did.

[A]

He did, he did, he did.

[B]

And Lauren's like, call him out. It's not on camel. Ya.

[A]

It didn't happen.

[B]

I'm like. I talked about it. What is.

[C]

Let me think of another one.

[B]

Let me think of another one that

[C]

I thought is dumb. And the beauty has dumb shit.

[B]

Yeah. I feel like, to me, sometimes I think it's dumb when people, like, call out Michaela for, like, having, like, hauls or having, like, a nice closet that she spent her money on. I think that's, like, really dumb because people, like, do like these. They'll trail on her and be like, I can't believe she has this and shows this. And it's like, well, she bought it and that's like, her content and she wants to show it. So, like, let her. If you don't like it, just don't watch it.

[C]

Don't watch it.

[B]

So to me, that I've always thought that was, like, kind of dumb for people to, like, really, like. I can't believe she has these things. Well, that's like, what she has, though, I think.

[A]

I think the discussion there is, like, deeper than that because it taps into the privilege aspect of it for sure. Because people tell me off to like, oh, you're buying a Chanel. A Gucci. I won't buy, but Chanel and Hermes all the time. Right, right. But the thing is, I came from A lower middle class family in India. We didn't have credit cards. So whatever mom and dad made is what we spent. We didn't have savings. They were doing good jobs. But it was not like wealthy wealthy, like people talk about, oh, having mates in India and all. We didn't have anything.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Mom did everything, I did everything, dad helped out. That's pretty much it. We were like super middle class, lower middle class. And when I came here, same thing, like I built it up. And honestly, the beauty community gave me whatever money I have now and it's from the beauty community. So now if I can afford all these things, why the hell not?

[C]

Well, anyone else would buy them.

[B]

Yeah. I don't see anyone questioning Paris Hilton

[A]

why she has a Kelly.

[B]

Right, Right. But I'll be questioned even though I

[A]

have worked hard to make this money and buy it. Let's question those who actually work right in front of your eyes and let's be okay with those who were born with a silver spoon.

[B]

Right. So that, like that. And I do think that is deep like that and I do think it goes deeper and is about privilege. And it's like people like to build people to tear them down sometimes. And I think that that's a whole nother, like part of the conversation is that like people like to bring people down that they brought up because it's like, look, we can take it away too. And there's a power aspect. So I think that when I see those things and I see those conversations happening, it's kind like, okay, what's like the, the motive here? Like, what's like, why are you doing this? Is it because, like you want to cancel people? It's just, yeah, like you want to just cancel or is it like. And then there's other things that I see and I can be more understanding where it's like, sometimes it's hard to watch when you don't have as much. And I understand that. I've been there and I've been there and I understand.

[A]

But there are two ways to go. Either you can get inspired or you can hate on them.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And when you get inspired, everybody is not dealt the same cards in life. Some people are born lucky, some people are certain opportunities. But I strongly believe if you lock in and you have a, you have a framework as to where you want to get and if you plan accordingly, 7 out of 10 times it's going to work out somehow. Because I feel like when you put it out there in the universe, universe makes it happen. It'll take Time.

[B]

It does. I agree.

[A]

And this is the only message I give everyone I have. I have sat down, I've seen other creators, and I've been super jealous.

[B]

I'm like, why is this not happening to me? Yeah, yeah. All of us.

[A]

Even today, I'm jealous of certain creators. That'd be stupid if I said I'm super secure.

[C]

No.

[A]

I see other people. I'm like, I could have done that campaign better.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But the thing is, I did not put in the work towards that. I am looking at it now, and I want it, but I didn't want. This whole time. I wanted something else.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So it's very easy to be like, oh, why does he have that? Why don't I have that? But I never worked for that.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

That's the whole point.

[B]

100.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So I think that's.

[B]

That's. That's mine.

[C]

Yeah. I just thought of one and I forgot it. Oh, I was gonna say. Okay. So Jaclyn Hill had one of the dumbest dramas whenever she was talking about her hurricanes.

[B]

I remember, like, what?

[A]

So, guys, I entered beauty space when Jacqueline kind of was leaving or taking a break. So I actually don't know any of her. I know her.

[B]

This was a more recent. Ish. Like last year maybe. Ish. Like ish.

[C]

Right. So Jacqueline had. She likes to chat, but anything she takes does get taken out of context a lot. She has very large following. So it's kind of like a Michaela effect, where it's like anything you say can just be clipped and taken out.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So there was a hurricane. Was it a hurricane coming to Florida? But it hadn't been announced yet or

[B]

like, it wasn't earthquake. It was.

[C]

Was an earthquake in Los Angeles that she moved to Los Angeles. So she experienced the earthquake. Okay. So she's like, o, that was scary. Cuz she's not used to it. She's from Florida. Okay. So she goes on her IG story and people are asking her, because if you're from Florida, you deal with a lot of hurricanes.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

So they were like, what's worse, Hurricane or earthquake? And she was like, I think our earthquake's worse because that you don't know when it's coming. It's so scary. And then a hurricane. And then the next day, a massive hurricane came out of nowhere, Destroyed homes. So she got destroyed online. Mind you, she didn't even know there was a hurricane coming because they were like, she doesn't care about the people who are affected by our hurricane. She thinks it's earthquakes.

[B]

Are worse.

[C]

And it was just like a full.

[B]

That was really dumb.

[C]

It was just the stupidest thing because they took it completely out of control.

[A]

I think this one takes the cherry. This was.

[B]

That's the one. That was the one.

[C]

And she was literally like, how to

[B]

do a. I had no idea.

[C]

No idea. And she was just. You know, people ask those questions. Hurricane or earthquake? You know what's the worst?

[B]

Is that she's lived in both.

[C]

She's lived in both.

[A]

And, guys, both are worse and both are terrible.

[B]

Both are terrible.

[C]

Correct.

[B]

But in that moment, she was like, I just got really scared because I didn't know the earthquake was humming.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And hurricanes, I guess they tell you.

[C]

And it was the dumbest drama, but it was dumb ever.

[B]

Super dumb.

[A]

I mean, this scares me, guys, honestly, because I feel like I'm just one. One word away from getting cancelled. I just have to figure out what that word is.

[B]

One word wrong, and you're cancelled now.

[C]

Well, you know, they're hungry for blood. You know what I mean? So you're fine, though. You're fine. And even if they are mad at you for a week, you'll be okay after.

[A]

We have a strong community who loves us, and we love them absolutely.

[B]

That we. And the thing is, like, I think that if people follow us and they, like, have followed our journey and they watch us, do I think that you just get the vibe, like, I think that they understand where we are coming from and that we're not ever trying to purposely offend anyone, hurt people's feelings, trying to be, like, a bad human being. Like, babe, at the end of the day, people just make mistakes.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

That's just what the reality is. And, like, we know, like, you know better in situations. And, like, even if you make a mistake, it is what it is.

[A]

That's just it.

[B]

That's what it is. What is one ick that you have from, like, beauty guru ick, like, is. Do you have an ick that, like, people might do that might give you kind of like a ooh. These are, like, a lot of these that we're asking about are, like, topics we've done on the podcast.

[A]

Ah.

[B]

Even, like, we've done an episode that was dedicated to, like, our, like, five on five, like, beauty guru icks that we have, like, that, like, annoy us.

[A]

I think my thing is that when creators announce they're doing an honest review

[C]

review,

[A]

I'm like, so I actually wore a T shirt the other day which said honest reviews only because I thought that was so funny.

[B]

That's hilarious.

[A]

Yeah. But I feel like, shouldn't your review be always honest even if you don't announce it and put it in your caption that it's an honest review? Like, because I get it. They're trying to shade other creators by saying that I am more honest. But the fact that you had to say it to your audience, shouldn't they already know that's an honest review already? That you're honest? I'm sorry, I'm just like.

[B]

No, it totally makes. Actually makes sense.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I literally. And I know, like, I remember back in the day when. Do you remember the brutally honest drama I got into?

[C]

Yes. Does Addie know about that?

[B]

But there was like this, like, I got another dumb drama that was like, so stupid. And it was like. I remember I was using brutally honest as like my hot word.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

As like a. Which I guess if it's a series, I love it. Yes. It was kind of like that. I was like, using as a hot word. Thank you. I was using it a hot word. And I, like, put it in one of my, like, videos. I was like, like, testing you makeup. Brutally honest review. It was like using it in like my thing. And so I remember, like, there's a creator that I like, a super, super, super small creator that was, I guess doing brutally honest review, like, was like her thing on YouTube in her titles and like, her titles and like, that was a thing. And I remember thinking like, oh, girl, like, I've never seen you, like, I don't even know like, what you're talking about. It was just like a hot word that I just used before. Cause, like, brutally was an easy, like, word to utilize with honest or whatever.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So I just remember, like, thinking like, that was. Was so strange and so weird and I feel like sometimes people use it as like a. An intro. That's like a hot word. Yes. But if there's like, this is the only honest review you're ever gonna get. That's crazy.

[A]

That's great. Yes, exactly. Thank you. So when I use that too.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

But I use it because it gets me views.

[B]

Yes. It's like being honest. Yes. Yes. It's like different.

[C]

Yeah, that was honest.

[A]

That's it. But all my reviews are honest. Like, I think the thing is, like, I want my audience and everyone to understand is that at this level, after working so hard for so many years and quitting what we were doing, it will be self sabotage if we sat down there and be like, let me just make a review which is not honest at all. And Sell this one out. There's so many good products. I don't need to do that.

[B]

Right?

[A]

What? I mean, like, if I don't like something, I probably won't even review it or just tell people that this is not for me. Maybe it's for you.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

That's just it.

[B]

100.

[C]

Do you know what I think is interesting? I think, like, the industry and the audience thinks that if a review is negative, it's honest. 100 and that's like a huge thing. It's like if we read something of filth or like sometimes people like to give a popular viral product that is good and negative review for the click. But people assume that's the most honest influencer. That's the most honest one out there because it was negative. I'm like, that doesn't make it any more honest than saying you like it.

[B]

Correct. And I actually think sometimes it's actually dishonest and people will do it as a dishonest thing because they're wanting the virality of saying it's bad.

[A]

Wait. Can I tell you something? I have clocked this for some creators. I don't know if you guys have noticed this or not, but they would start giving negative reviews about a certain protection product first. Let's say whatever. Eyeliner, right? They're like, oh, this doesn't work. This doesn't work. This doesn't work. And then three weeks later, they have a collaboration with a brand launching the best islanders in the world.

[B]

Girl. Of course I've seen this. You came. I've literally talked to Laura about this.

[C]

That's like the blueprint for influencers right now. The blueprint. But it works. It works on people. Like, so let's. Let's just say, for instance, you're coming out with a eyeshadow palette. And every eyeshadow palette is like, this is trash. This is trash. But whenever it's time for yours to launch or what you're promoting for the brand, you're like, like, I found the one.

[B]

So it's like you're creating a problem that doesn't exist.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's like. It's crazy because as a consumer, I don't know how many times I have, like, eaten all this stuff.

[B]

Of course it's manipulation though.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

See, that's why I'm like, that's what. When Laura was saying that about, like, the people being negative about these reviews. It's like you're manipulating people to get views. Even though the product is most likely actually pretty good. But you're doing it because everyone else thinks that it's good. So you're like, I'm the only honest one. So then you're being manipulative. So then you're being dishonest in that.

[A]

I think that's why like, it huge.

[B]

I think that's corny, actually.

[C]

Let me see what other nasty question we got.

[A]

I heard horny. I'm like, why does that.

[B]

You're like, why isn't horny

[A]

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[C]

Have you ever been on a bad brand trip or had a negative experience with a brand trip?

[A]

No, I don't think I've had a negative experience because I set my boundaries very, very clear and have a very good team. My managers are sharp shark. She makes sure everything is good. All my managers have been extremely good. It's just setting the expectation I would not promise something which I cannot deliver and I would literally pull out of a brand trip if I feel like they're asking for too much. So I don't know how many people know when you go on a brand trip, you don't get paid. Usually you never get paid. You just have to post a couple of things and that's a part of the brand trip. That's how you go on the banter. Because the brand has to get some value out of you. They're not your sugar daddy. They will not fly you around for free.

[C]

Correct.

[A]

That's just what it is. That's life.

[B]

Life.

[C]

Right?

[A]

So sometimes brands go extra hard. They'd be like, oh, we need you for a sound bite. I'm like, no, there will be no sound bites because I'm eating food right now and this was not part of the thing. I think boundaries have to be really, really clear. And that doesn't mean I won't talk about them. I would go back home and organically talk about them because I went on the brand trip because I have spoken about the brand for so long. Yeah, they have noticed me, right like today, if, like, I don't know, let me gummy say, oh, let's go on a brand trip. I'm like, who? Who? Like, why would I go on a brand trip like, I used to that much like, you know what I mean? But if it's a brand, like, I don't know, Fenty or like, rare beauty, let's go on a brand trip. Of course I'm gonna go.

[B]

Right? Because you've talked about them all.

[A]

I'm wearing the brow harmony gel right now. Right, Right. Like, I use it every single day, so it's not even hard for me. And they won't even ask me to do anything because they know that I would anyways.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Right. So I think that's my only thing that brand trips are great, but I feel like sometimes brand kind of like the people of the brand kind of like, go extra hard and try to get more out of you as a creator. Of course you need to put that because that's your ip, that's your work.

[B]

That's who you are.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's literally your likeness.

[C]

I think it's so crazy. This is like such an insider thing. But like, PR people that work for a brand, their job is like, to pretend to be your friend.

[B]

It's a deep cut.

[A]

I have so many friends like that.

[C]

Trust me, they want things out of you. They want you because for them, that helps them with their job. Like, if they can get you to, like, post and you to make this free content and you to do all these reviews and all mall, they're gonna get their bonus. So they go out there and work the crowd. They're basically. They're like PR for. They work the crowd, they work the influencers. That the influencer's best friend. They'll do anything for the influencer, but they're just trying to get one up on their end. And if you're in it for long enough, like, you smell it a mile.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But here's the thing. It's their job. Everybody's trying to be great at their work. Right. And if I love a brand, I would do it, girl.

[B]

I will. Literally, I would rep the. I don't give a. If I like you, I like you,

[A]

I like you, I love you. Then I'm on the brand trip. I'll post about you for.

[B]

Right.

[A]

The rest of my life. Because I have been posting about it.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And that's just it. So when you go on brands you don't know enough about, and that is a red flag for me. I've Done that once and I was like, okay, this is like really creepy because I don't even know the name of the product right now. And I feel so bad that I am probably not doing justice to that and to my audience. So I always make it clear that hey, this brand, I don't know but I would go and I'm gonna try it and I'm gonna give my honest thoughts. Sometimes brands are not okay with that. They're like, oh, okay then we will just let Aditya experience us a bit more. I'm like, you know what? I love that there's a boundary.

[B]

The expectations too. Ye.

[A]

Which is great. I love that.

[B]

I love that at least you don't have any bad ones on the road because.

[A]

Wait, tell me about yours.

[C]

Oh my God, where do we even start? Because we like pioneered, right? You know, but they have it all. They just like, they just.

[B]

Yeah, they're really smooth now.

[C]

Everything's chill now. But back in the day like there are so many things just because it was not having the wild.

[B]

Wait, what? Girl missing food. Like it's been surviving off of an orange.

[A]

I also feel like I'm very low maintenance. I don't care about food or stuff like that.

[B]

I'm very low service.

[C]

And you come back and you haven't eaten for six hours and they put a one bag of chips in the room and you're starving and you have no room service and there's just been like the crazy. You've been abandoned on. I, I've been abandoned in a country before. I mean it.

[B]

You got left in.

[C]

I got left by myself.

[B]

I am mind you, this is like eight.

[C]

This is. Oh, this is old.

[B]

Like this is like we again like, like we pioneered. So we went through a lot of the like bad experiences to get to the point.

[C]

We figured it out for you guys. Yeah, we got it out.

[A]

You ironed it out for me. Well you call it OG for a reason, right?

[B]

Correct. Like we, we've dealt with a lot of.

[C]

At least like now can run on these brand trips.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I feel like the brand trip is slowly dying though. Because the every year it's the summertime, you see a lot of the brand trips. Cuz they do a lot of tropical places and often times either I was

[A]

like kind of sad.

[B]

I was like wait, does nobody want me? And they were like no, actually nothing's happening.

[C]

No one's doing it. I feel like the brand trip is slowly dying.

[A]

I feel bad though. Why it's such a good thing to know a brand and to Be well

[B]

also for us to get to know

[A]

brands too as I know you all from brand trips. Do you guys realize that? Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I've met you on brand. It's like when you're strange, when you don't know anyone personally and you know them on Internet, it's very hard to be like, hey, you know what? I'm not a stalker and I love you, you love me, let's hang out. Never happens.

[B]

Never.

[A]

But it's because of brand trips that you and I know each other.

[B]

So camaraderie can actually have like so you can meet people and then you meet mutuals that you've never met before. Exactly. Because you guys live in different parts of the country.

[A]

I mean don't go crazy and gift me a Birkin on a brand trip. Maybe do a Loki one.

[C]

Or do.

[B]

Or do.

[A]

Or do gift me a Birkin.

[C]

Dude. Back in the day, Tarte. Tarte was crazy. They were trying to give Cartier bracelets and camera lynch.

[B]

Oh, I got that one.

[C]

Did you?

[A]

I gave it to my sister in law and they gave me an iPad. I did a giveaway with that. See, Maureen's been nice to me.

[B]

She's an iPad tart cart. Too much.

[A]

I don't use a lot. I've used the concealer and the powder a bit.

[B]

Of course. Right.

[A]

But you know what? She, she kind of did create the whole brand trip thing.

[B]

She did very giving. Yeah, she is very nice. And she gives to like.

[C]

Have you seen, I don't see a lot of us beauty people review or use tarte, but have you seen the tarte sales on Tik Tok Shop?

[B]

Crazy, crazy, crazy.

[C]

The number one brands. Yep.

[B]

And beauty, they're like the influencer.

[C]

Selling is like in the millions.

[A]

You know what, the day I create a brand, if I, if I ever do, I want that, I totally, I want influencers who love it, but I want the real consumers to love it.

[C]

They get the real consumer also.

[B]

They take care of real consumers. That sounds weird but like Tarte, they try to do things for people. They give teachers a discount and I only use that because my cousins who are teachers or like we get discounts on Tarte's website and like I'm like.

[C]

And they don't have to do that.

[B]

They don't have to, they don't have to do that. But they do because I feel like they actually care about people. Yeah. And I think that it resonates and that's why I have so many units sold. Yes.

[C]

They get when fires happen and they on target.

[B]

They show them all they want, but they do things for people.

[C]

They do.

[A]

And I would just want to give a shout out to Maureen because I met her son. What a guy she raised. So respectful. They just launched a brand in Altai thing. She and his. Him. It's an energy drink. I don't know her name, but she did such a good job. He's so respectful, so focused. I've never seen a kid, like, be

[B]

so, like, honed in so good.

[A]

Like, I. I want to raise my daughter like that. Like, so nice.

[C]

That's so cool.

[B]

I love that.

[C]

Okay, let's see what other question. What's one beauty hot take you have can be about anything.

[A]

Beauty hot take. I think it's just that one that no product is actually bad.

[C]

Okay. That is a hot take.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

People tell me that I shouldn't say that, but I really think no product is actually bad. You just need to know how to use it. And if you like the owner who created. See, the thing is, it's not about the products anymore.

[B]

It's about who you're supporting the brand.

[A]

It's. Everything is political now. You don't get that. Right. Everything is politics. Like, everything is, like, who do you support? What did they do in their past?

[C]

Yep.

[A]

Like, that's just how it rolls. So it could be a good product, but if the past is a bit

[B]

shady, then they won't like it.

[A]

Yes. That's just it. That's a hot take. Like, if. If I took out all these products, like, cancel products or cancel brand and put them in different packaging and give it to people, they might actually like it.

[B]

They would.

[C]

The truth.

[B]

They literally would.

[C]

Two of the worst. Well, back in the day, you know, we were figuring out beauty because the bubble hadn't popped yet. Like, all these new brands were coming up, and there were mistakes, and everybody was mass producing so quickly because that was different.

[B]

I'm talking about now.

[C]

So I want to say two of the worst beauty launches, I think that hit 2016 time. This is back when mistakes were made. Yep. Subculture palette. Abh.

[B]

Oh, wait, what happened? The craziness. It was crazy.

[C]

It was because their palettes were so viral, for one.

[B]

Like, an ab, like, that era was

[C]

just like, oh, my God, people love those. And they made good palettes. That's the thing. They really didn't make mistakes. Abh. And then they come out with a subculture palette. It was like an all matte palette, I think. And if you. You tap this palette, it would explode all the color, like, crazy.

[B]

Powder just. You could literally. I'm not getting a swatch like this a couple times and you would hit pan.

[A]

That's. That's bad.

[B]

That's bad. But that's like. Yeah, in general. Yeah.

[C]

This is before.

[A]

It's a well oiled machine. A brand would not put out something like that. That's what.

[C]

I agree completely with what you're saying now. Even whenever I do my products that didn't work for me. I got like two and it's like something just didn't work for me. And it's like your style because it's my. Yeah. You know. But now just like a bad product. It's no long younger.

[B]

I haven't seen that.

[A]

Unless the marketing is bad. That's just the thing. Well, we've seen some of the foundation launches which are super, super bad. That's just the marketing and the rush. I think that's right.

[C]

And then the second one I would say is the Kylie brushes. But you know what it was. It wasn't. The brushes were bad. It was a 300 price point.

[A]

I think Kylie's lipstick suck, like the matte one. I just really.

[B]

Oh, my God. You don't like. Yeah, you don't like.

[A]

I've used it like three years ago and I've used it recently.

[B]

They're too dry for me.

[A]

Exactly the same. Like it just makes.

[C]

I just did a full face of Kylie cosmetics, but I do like all of her makeup now.

[A]

I love her concealer.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Kylie made a good concealer.

[C]

Amazing.

[B]

I need to try it.

[A]

They don't push it enough. She made a good concealer.

[C]

They don't push a lot of herself. But you remember back in the day, whenever Kylie first came out, it was like 20 launches a week because it was done by Colourpop back then. That's just how Colourpop rolls.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[C]

But I felt like that's where they were slipping through the cracks. But now that Cody owns it, I feel like it is very intentional. It's cur. It's like one launch, like a couple launch.

[A]

Kylie was known to launch these things which go. Which sell out in like eight minutes. And it's not a great. You can't. You can't take a brand like that and make it sustainable and slow and thoughtful. Like it just doesn't go with the vibe because there's audience for that. There's an audience.

[B]

It was almost like fast fashion but for makeup back then.

[C]

That's what Colourpop, that's how Colourpop Lab works.

[B]

And that's how, like, they, like, became super successful, though. They were launching everything.

[A]

Talking about X. Right. I just want to bring it back to that. Don't you think it's. It's crazy that they put the same lipstick with the same color lip liner in a lip kit?

[C]

Because it doesn't make sense.

[B]

Because it should be a dimension.

[A]

Yeah. Why do they do that? I just never understand that. Like.

[B]

Yeah, but back then, it wasn't, like, really about lip combo.

[C]

Not define your lips. I'm talking about you can look at every single.

[A]

Even now they do that. Like, they've now same.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Same color lipstick with the same color lip.

[B]

And I have no idea. Now I kind of know.

[C]

I feel like that's because it's People buy. I feel like these people. Brands know what they're by, and people don't know know, like, you know, because you do makeup, but the regular person probably buys it and wants it and they like it. They want that to match.

[A]

But then there's no dimension. That's literally, like, concealer lips. Like you could do with your concealer.

[C]

Correct.

[B]

But a lot of people, like, that's just, like, normal.

[A]

Okay. I don't get that.

[B]

I don't totally. But also, like, you're in the makeup world, so it makes more. More sense. Even when I'm watching. Sometimes I watch, like, even, like, Love island, and I'll see, like, them doing a lip, and I'm like, where's the Dimension liner? And, like, my mind, like, where's the lip liner, baby?

[A]

Yes.

[C]

I could have sworn by the way, back in the day, I did a lip liner for sure. I looked back at all my pictures.

[B]

No, Laura, you did. It was the same color, though. That's the thing.

[A]

That's what I'm saying.

[B]

I would do. I would literally do boldly bear lip liner with kind of sexy. And it was the exact same color, but I would do lip liner every single time.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But it was the same tones. Yeah. So I didn't give myself dimension. It made no sense.

[A]

But I love the new Mac lip combo that you did for Tick Tock. Like, you.

[B]

It's so good, that combo. Well, don't even play it.

[A]

People copied the way you spoke in that.

[B]

I'm just saying I did, because I put on my close friends. I think you probably saw.

[A]

No, I actually saw that. They showed up right after yours. I was like, wait, did he just say this?

[B]

Like, I literally. You guys, it's such a funny thing.

[C]

Okay, Okay.

[B]

I posted on my close friends. I had, like, literally said I was like, it's so crazy how 2016 back, I like, said like a line about something and then I saw people use my same line.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

The first, like, first two sentences to sell the same product. But they just took what I had said.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I commented on it and I was like, this is awkward.

[C]

It's me.

[B]

It's you. I'm like, laura, here we are.

[A]

Literally.

[B]

I commented, well, this is awkward. And they. I don't think they ever saw my comment, but I do find that really weird. That's an ick of mine. Don't copy my exact words. I saw the exact same thing.

[C]

I have an ick with TikTok shop people. I have an.

[B]

I have a lot of icks with them. Go start.

[A]

I can find any production tag.

[C]

Okay, wait, I haven't ick. So I hate when someone will tag something or Tik Tok shop and then they'll be like, try to act like they're honest a and be like, don't shop my link.

[B]

You put the link you had to

[C]

tag the league and then you're gonna be like, it's there. But like, ignore it.

[B]

You have to find it, by the way. You have to go find that link. Hardcore.

[C]

20 cents of commission.

[B]

Don't. Don't give me that 11 cents. I swear, I'm like, girl, I would take it.

[A]

Please shove my.

[B]

Literally.

[C]

Literally. Yeah.

[B]

Click that link, please. I will leave a link, my love. Yeah.

[A]

Because the thing is, when you have 2 million followers or even million, right.

[C]

A martyr.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

10,000 people would like a thing. 10,000 people would like something else. And that's okay. That's what we do.

[B]

But don't be a cringe about it.

[C]

Don't be a martyr because it's like, baby, you linked it. So you're. And you're calling.

[B]

But don't shop mine.

[A]

Don't shop, shop mine. Watch the video come to mind and shop it.

[C]

I just put it there so you could find it.

[B]

But, like, you don't have to buy it.

[C]

I'm like, girl, just what's the point is. Yeah.

[B]

If you don't really give a. Then don't link it.

[C]

Just own it.

[B]

Yeah, it's cringy.

[A]

I don't link on reviews unless I'm doing two parts. Then I'll link it.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And I'll be like, buy it if you want and review it with me. Or. Hold on.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

But the link is there.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because you know what? I put in the work.

[C]

I want my 10 cents.

[B]

It's a good one also, you have to like find it too. It's like it's a. It is so hard.

[C]

I don't link half the ship because I'm like, what I ever.

[A]

So that's happening to all of us. I love that happen.

[B]

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[B]

Or's been hyping up.

[C]

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[A]

It literally feels like I'm like chilling with you guys at home and talking.

[B]

Well, I mean that's like, that's like, that's like our whole vibe. That's like the point. I'm curious, like, have you ever had this experience? Because I feel a lot of creators never talk about this, but have you ever had a brand want to work with you? And they're like, like, okay, we want you to talk about this product. And you're like, but I don't like the product. Yeah. And you had to, like, navigate that in some way. Talk about it.

[A]

I'll be honest about it.

[B]

Like, I've never, like, had to go through that and be like, hey, like, this just doesn't work for me. And, like, did you lose the opportunity or did you find another way to

[A]

work with the brand you see? Cross my hands because it's such an uncomfortable topic.

[B]

But I went from this to this. You're like, I'm not in the living room anymore.

[C]

No.

[A]

But, like, I don't want to lie.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That's happened to me. The thing is, when you're a smaller creator and you would know it, you don't get that many opportunities.

[B]

You.

[A]

You can't go around saying no to everything because you're building. You're putting your face out there. Having said that, there has to be a balance that you strike where you're still honest and giving your feedback. So I've had that experience before, and I have made sure that I tell people, like, there are different ways of using it, and this is one way of using it. And I always mention in the my review that don't do it this way. And there have been brands who've come back and be like, can you please cut that out? And I'm like, I will not cut that out. Because though I showed them how to use it. Yeah, some people might want to use it some other way, and the product should work in that way, but this one won't. So if I don't say that, I'm hiding stuff.

[B]

Right? You're being dishonest.

[A]

Yes. And I don't want.

[B]

In a way, yeah, I don't want to do that.

[A]

I want to tell them this will do part A, not part B. So buy it if you really like part A of it. And you.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You love that. Right. That's just what it is. But now this position, like, after doing this for, I just straight up say, no, I don't care.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Money comes and goes. Community stays forever.

[B]

And you have one.

[A]

One review away where you kind of hesitate because you are not sure about the product and people clock it.

[B]

I clock absolutely.

[A]

So I want my audience to clock me too. So that's just it. I feel like the money can go. And I've said no to the deals. Big deals, like.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And it's okay. It feels bad.

[B]

You kind of. Then you're like, you know what? It's gonna come back.

[A]

Then you post, like, a Korean skincare brand on Tick Tock. And Korean skincare brands are great, and you make some money. And you feel better about your life and you move on.

[B]

Yeah. And then you move on. You feel better about yourself.

[C]

You post that. Tick tock shop. Yeah.

[A]

Korean skincare is so good.

[B]

I mean, it's great. Also, their shit is so good. So good.

[C]

It's amazing.

[B]

Like, it's hard to find bad Korean skincare, truly.

[A]

Like, I wish more Korean brands worked with me. There's only two that work with me and they're so good. Good. But I just like, does this happen to you guys? The brands you want don't want you and the brands who want you. You're like, I'm not a crazy about you. Yeah. You know what I mean?

[C]

Yeah. I just turned down a brand deal because of. I love the brand, I love the product. But it was, they wanted me to do a dedicated review on my YouTube channel and it was one teeny tiny product. And I was like, that is like my audience would be like, what the fuck? Did you just upload like a five minute video, bitch? Like, what?

[B]

On this Spencer shop now? Yes.

[C]

A whole YouTube dedicated long form video. And I was like, I cannot do that. Like, that's crazy. That's nonsense. That's nonsense. I was like, let me do an integration and talk about other things. And it doesn't even have to be competing products. I can do a fashion video or whatever. And they're like, no, we just want you to unbox this one thing. And I'm like, I am not putting up a five minute video on my YouTube channel.

[B]

Like, it's just crazy.

[C]

I'm like, that's madness. And they were like, we don't care if it doesn't get views. That's also crazy though, because I, that was my battle. I was like, not only is that unorganic for my audience audience, it's like one sponsored product that I'm just talking about. Weird.

[A]

It's a little random.

[C]

It's a little random.

[B]

So I'm like, doesn't make sense.

[C]

It's not, it's not a good fit. And then they're like, no, we don't care if it won't get views. And I was like, you know, you

[A]

have to be careful because they can turn you into AI and then use the thing that's happening.

[B]

I just turned so many people on Instagram.

[C]

You turn yours off?

[A]

Yep.

[C]

Pull your mic closer.

[A]

Yeah, sorry.

[B]

Yeah, you can pull it so you can see.

[A]

Sorry, I'm not using.

[B]

You're good. That's great. Yeah.

[A]

So yeah, you have to be careful with that. I actually turned down A Labubu unboxing.

[B]

You're kidding.

[A]

I love Labubus. But I was like, this is crazy. Why would I. Like, I've already unboxed seven Labubus. Like, I'm not gonna do this. Like, it was a legit Labubu unboxing. Like they were paying. Like, I just don't think this is my style.

[B]

Like, right. You know, sometimes it's just not your vibe.

[C]

Yeah, it's not the right.

[B]

And also I think it's important, like, even though, like, if you're watching this as a creator too, like, let's say a brand wants to work with you about something and you don't like that thing you're able to suggest, can we work on something else that you do? Like, like you can totally do that. And I had done that in my career many times where I was like, this does not work for me, dead ass. But this works really awesome on this product, on this brand. And I'm like so willing to talk about this because it's so good.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But smaller creator. It's hard, so hard to think like that. Paycheck to paycheck.

[B]

Exactly. And it's like you have to, you know, it is like a privilege to get to a point where you are able to turn things down 100. But I do also find it very important that you have to be honest with your people because why else would they follow that community? Like, what's the point? Like, if they're not going to feel like they're like getting something from you, they don't feel a feeling and like they can't feel like they trust you, then what's the point?

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

Truly. So I think it's so important. So like, if you were to do that, like, you know that you can always suggest other things. At the end of the day, it doesn't have to be about that one thing. You can try to be like, hey, like, I don't love this though, but can I do something else? And this is my idea. Have you been seeing this? A huge conversation happening about brand deal stuff?

[C]

No.

[B]

Really, it's all over TikTok. People are talking about like marketing and like how people aren't getting like their, their say with marketing and like it's like doing.

[C]

Influencers are complaining.

[B]

Yes. And I find it like, very fascinating. So I'm like, why are we talking about this? Like, this is crazy. But basically influencers. Influencers are breaking down the wall for their, like, for their audience, for their consumers to be like, brands are doing things wrong and they're talking about that and it's like a true. Absolutely. I'm just finding it so fascinating that now it's becoming a conversation because I'm missing it all over in this last week.

[A]

But, you know, there's a whole different point of view where people are saying brands are doing it wrong by paying influencers. Because why are influencers able to buy Birkinson Kelly's? Like, why are we paying them when you're not seeing return that much? And they are pinning it that. That influencers should not be paid anymore and it should all be AI and just the brands producing, like UGC or like the. The content where you just like in house or whatever. In house. And funny is that the people who are speaking about it are privileged. They have their own marketing companies and stuff and they're running it. And then they would throw shade at influencers because.

[B]

Well, because they want to use the AI, though.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

That's why they're saying. Exactly, like they want to.

[A]

There's always a motive. There's always a motive.

[B]

Totally. Totally. Yeah.

[A]

But the thing is, it's on a brand and their team to pick the right influence influencers. Like, if you're gonna go with someone who's just known for viral stuff, that's what you're gonna get. If you're gonna go for someone who's been in the business for a long time and probably education stuff, you're gonna get something else. It's what you want for your brand.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

100.

[C]

How do you want to sell it?

[A]

Exactly.

[C]

Yeah. Also, I feel like brands are learning, though, quickly because me and Manny had. We. This year, we've done a lot of duo sponsorships, which we're like, this is amazing. Yeah. Two out of them said, said, we want you to promote this product, but we don't know how can you come up with the concept. And we're like, oh, my God. We're like, thank you.

[A]

Love, love, love.

[B]

You trust us.

[C]

Yes. I love that, like, our Dr. Group campaign that we did. We wrote that whole script. We wrote ourselves. We got on phone call, we got them to approve it because I was like, we have an idea, but there's going to be a wig.

[B]

Yeah. And they're like, this is the hair care. But I wanted to go away.

[A]

You're like, exactly.

[C]

They went for it. They're like, okay, that. That could be really good. Like, they went for it. And then we have another one coming up and they're giving us complete freedom.

[B]

I think I know that.

[A]

Another one that's Coming up maybe. I mean honestly, I definitely know one of them.

[B]

Maybe. So we got three. Another one.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

But no, but it's cool. Like I, I, I think that they are learning too. I think that it's like something that it's like give trust a little bit.

[A]

It feels so good, right? Like after putting all these years House Labs does that to me, they let Aditya tell us like what it is and then we will draft it up the points that he. So I would literally speak about a product and I'll tell them this is how I want to speak about it and they will just write it down, no changes. They just so that there is a brief. But I, I give the brief.

[B]

You give the brief.

[A]

How cool is that, right?

[B]

I think it's amazing. I think that that truly is like where it's at because at the end of the day, like we as creators have been doing this for so, so, so long that we know how to talk about a product. We just know how to talk about things that we already like. So it's like, like if you just give us freedom like whenever like a brand is like, we see that you like this, we want to work with you because of it.

[C]

And I'm like, oh yes, music.

[B]

When we did Dr. Gre, I said I have gone through two bottles of your shampoo and conditioner. Like I with you. Heavy. So the fact that we're able to do that because we already like them, there's nothing better like it for me it's the, there's no other better thing for that.

[C]

I was at YouTube's brand cast this year in New York and so they brands will go on stage and basically spill all their fucking tea working with influencers. So it's kind of interesting being the influencer in the crowd. I'm like, am I supposed to be. But Coach was talking about how they were not resonating with Gen Z. They've more of a millennial brand. And then the generation before Coach hit hard for like iconic. But they were like Gen Z just like was not buying Coach. And then they realized their approach to working with influencers was completely wrong. They were forcing it and they were making it really strict. And then they were trying to turn them into fashion campaigns and do all this. And they took a step back and they were like, we have to let influencers be influencers. We have to give them the bag and we have to let them carry it. And like if someone does this type of content, they shouldn't be posting a fashion content with A coach back.

[A]

You can't turn influence into models.

[B]

Yes, you can't.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Unless you're a Meta Duxbury and you are a model and you can do both. Or your manny. Or your manny. Right?

[C]

No, I'm saying, like, with the Runway, we sell that.

[B]

Right. You cannot turn. Why you look like that?

[A]

I am just surprised you brought it up because. No, because I'm surprised you brought it up. Like, that takes some level of security.

[B]

Like, I've seen now at this point.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

The thing is, for me, though, like, I've had so many things in my career that are just been blunders.

[A]

No, but.

[B]

But I'm so successful, so I'm not. You know what?

[A]

That's like a whole brand campaign right there.

[B]

Like, some brand should recreate that.

[A]

Calvin Klein should recreate that. And when you do that, it's actually Calvin Klein. That would be so cool.

[C]

I was in the audience while he did that waltz.

[A]

But you were cheering for him hardcore.

[B]

That's what. That's a real estate.

[A]

That's what a good gay girl does.

[B]

Oh. And she was truly.

[A]

If your butt is out, whatever is out, we cheer for you. It was a cute, cute buck. Like, super cute.

[B]

Loudest in the room.

[A]

I love that.

[C]

I was devastated when I saw the footage.

[A]

Did you see the one with voiceover?

[B]

You repost it every year.

[A]

No, do you see the one with voiceover? Guys, did you see the one with voiceover with the farting? Of course.

[B]

That's the best one. That's the best. Like, that is like, the best one. Technically.

[C]

Every time I see it, she does,

[B]

and I'm like, this literally repost.

[A]

I'm like, honestly claim it all my.

[B]

At this point, I literally just like, it is what it is. Like, okay. I mean, like, Calvin clown.

[A]

We got a cute butt.

[B]

Let's fucking do it, man. Yes.

[A]

We got a cute button.

[C]

I think it's all subjective. I think you did a great job.

[A]

I think so, too. For that time, that was iconic.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

For that time, it was sick because it was Marco. Marco. Like, that's what you did. That was just the vibe.

[A]

And to see a beauty boy do something like that.

[C]

Crazy.

[A]

Where it was looked down upon when men touched makeup.

[C]

Crazy work.

[B]

We didn't even get ops. Like, the ops were so far, few between.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So it is what it is. But I agree. Agree with you.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know what I was agreeing with. I agree with you.

[C]

Whatever you said, whatever.

[A]

You can't turn our influencer into a model unless it's Manny.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You can turn him into whatever you want.

[B]

I literally did that horrific Runway walk. I've literally been, like, the face of so many campaigns, like, all these things, and I'm like, period.

[A]

Exactly.

[C]

It just made you more iconic.

[B]

It just made me more iconic.

[A]

That's very camp.

[B]

It's camp.

[A]

Not everybody would get it, but for those who get it, they get it.

[C]

I would love a white walk moment.

[B]

I'm ready for it. You know what? Let's start that.

[C]

I would love that.

[B]

You're gonna walk the nets. Mark Jacobs fashion show. Yeah, I've already decided.

[A]

I love that. Did you see his recent collection?

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[C]

Wasn't it beautiful?

[A]

Plastique and, like, sheer and, like, buying

[C]

those leggings, all the colorful leggings.

[A]

There's a brown jacket which will look sick on you with, like, a bra just that on top and, like, shimmer all over.

[B]

So good.

[C]

Amazing. I loved it. Do you like the new Marc Jacobs makeup?

[A]

The blush?

[B]

I can't wait to try it. I'm, like, dying.

[C]

They're giving us the picture pr.

[A]

So they sent it to you, right?

[B]

Not yet.

[C]

Well, with their PR boxes. And she was like, you're.

[A]

Because I did it.

[C]

Yeah. So she said there was a baby with that, and she even told me,

[B]

you're, like, some of the prettiest makeup, like, I've seen. Like, but I bought it.

[A]

I bought before they sent it. I bought everything.

[C]

They waited forever.

[A]

Always. Yeah, forever. Yeah. I bought everything. Yeah.

[B]

I just knew because they had sent me the email. They're like, hey, we're sending you a pr. So I was like, okay, I just won't buy it. Like, I'll just, like, do it.

[C]

They're gonna send it. They had a problem with that big, pretty box, so they put it in, like, the bronzer. They had a delay on that.

[A]

The bronzers are really good. The blush is really good.

[B]

I can't wait.

[A]

It all looks played with the eyeliner, but the shadows are so good.

[C]

The liner is just like the old school liner.

[A]

So it's good.

[B]

It's sickening.

[C]

I want. Okay, I want you to color on the back of your hand. Wait a second. And then try to rub it off.

[A]

It's not gonna move.

[C]

It's not gonna move.

[A]

I wish he brings back the coconut primer that he had.

[C]

I know.

[A]

So good.

[B]

Maybe everything that, like, the tantastic. Like, anything in that world that was, like, the coconut, like, the white packaging,

[C]

you know, it's a different company doing it this time. So before Kendo did it it and now Cody.

[B]

No freaky doing so much.

[C]

Baby. Cody's on fire.

[A]

Everything Cody's on fire.

[C]

Right?

[B]

I feel like we love you.

[A]

There's a brand campaign right here.

[B]

This is the. You have inclusivity.

[A]

You have the brown guy, you have the girl and you have the gays. What else you need? What else you need other than happy bride.

[B]

And I'm so tired right now. So I'm back to be really light. He can do really every color.

[C]

Really light.

[B]

Really light. Guys get it all.

[C]

I know. That's right. But Cody, they got Kylie. They're. And I feel like Kylie doing good. They got. She's an ulta slang. Her. Her shelves are ramsacked. Every time I go, there's nothing left. And then they redid Marc Jacobs and they got covergirl and everything else.

[A]

It's like neck to neck with l' Oreal right now, baby. They're.

[C]

They're eating, humming, they're. Cody's coming for the girls.

[B]

I live for it. Should we do our little rapid fire? Would you rather.

[C]

Oh yeah. Okay. Right.

[B]

These are very. And they're very like cutesy, very chill, very easy.

[A]

I'm ready.

[B]

Would you rather never wear makeup again or never use skincare again? Again.

[A]

I'd never wear makeup again.

[B]

I have to agree.

[A]

Yeah, I feel like makeup is great, but it's not everything.

[B]

I don't.

[A]

I live for makeup, but I would not die for makeup. I would die for skin for it.

[C]

Die for skin care.

[A]

Die for skin care. Live for makeup. Die for skin care.

[B]

I couldn't agree more. I'm the exact same. Would you rather accidentally send a DM to the wrong person every week or accidentally go live once a month?

[A]

Accidentally go live once a month. I love going live.

[B]

But if it's an accident, you're doing something you didn't want to.

[A]

What like, oh, maybe I'll be famous.

[B]

Who knows? Yeah, maybe it's like a sex.

[A]

Listen, listen. Universe has different ways of making a person famous, making their dreams come true.

[B]

So you just never know. Yeah, you never know. Would you rather lose your phone for a week or your skincare routine for a month?

[C]

You can't post. You can't post. If you listen to your phone, you can't. You can't post. There's no phone.

[A]

If you're posting with crusty, dusty face. Face without any moisturizer on.

[C]

That's my main moisturizer.

[B]

There's a lot of makeup that skincare infused.

[C]

That's true. Get those primers, baby.

[B]

I Know.

[A]

I know. Listen, listen. I like them. Like, some of them have done it, right? Like, house labs, like, with the whole skincare thing in it. But some of them. There is no pigment.

[B]

Where is the pigment?

[A]

I'll Lucifer.

[B]

It's fine.

[A]

I'll make it, like, into a one week off TikTok and then make a whole series as to what I learned.

[C]

You need it, baby.

[A]

I need it. I need it.

[B]

Yep. Perfect hair forever or perfect skin forever.

[C]

I know you love that hair.

[B]

Now, that was the hard one for me. I know.

[A]

Especially after today.

[B]

Oh, maybe after today.

[A]

Perfect hair. Perfect hair. Which is so weird. I said that. Perfect hair.

[C]

I believe you.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

Are your lashes real?

[A]

Yes, they are.

[C]

You got a false lash on.

[A]

Nope, I don't actually. Didn't have time.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

You can touch it. It's one two coats of l'. Oreal.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Extensionist. L' Oreal extensionist.

[C]

Is that the silver?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Can I just say it? I'm gonna say it, guys.

[A]

I will never get a mascara deal after this, but I'm gonna say it. It's the best mascara in the world. There isn't a better mask. Yes. I won't get a mascara deal. As influencers, we are told never to say, this is the best.

[B]

Right? Right. And I'm saying it.

[A]

It's the best. It doesn't get more honest than this. I'm saying no to money right now in front of you all. There you go.

[C]

He just turned down mascara. Yep.

[A]

I mean, there are other good ones. Maybelline has a really good one.

[B]

Love.

[A]

But extensionist is, like. It hits.

[B]

I use the waterproof extensionist.

[C]

I think it's so funny.

[A]

I hate that one.

[B]

I like it because I can't wear the regular.

[A]

Really?

[B]

It'll no. It just, like, won't keep my curl. Oh, my curl.

[C]

Waterproof.

[B]

But I have, like, very bad, like, going down lashes, so I use waterproof on everything.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Would you rather have your search history leaked or your camera roll leaked.

[A]

What was the first one?

[B]

Search history.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

Or your camera roll. Camera roll.

[A]

My search history is all t. About beauty community and who I'm stalking to know what they're doing and what they're copying. So.

[B]

So it has to be a camera.

[A]

Camera roll. It's a safer.

[C]

What about you? We should answer that one.

[A]

What is your search history? I would love to know.

[B]

I would. I would have to let my search history.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. Because my camera roller, like, some things are like.

[C]

I'm like, wait.

[B]

Grinder. I have, like, hole on my in the camera roll.

[A]

Okay, then that's not.

[B]

But that's, like, gay.

[A]

Like, that's not that serious.

[B]

But I also, like, don't take full. Yeah, but, like, I don't have, like, that much of that. Like, that's, like, one photo of that.

[A]

But, like, actors have had their stuff

[B]

leak, and, like, I have, like, two dick pics, but I don't send them or take them anymore. Like, I'm like, no, I don't do that anymore.

[A]

But it's over.

[B]

It's deep.

[A]

You're over it?

[B]

Yeah. Now I'm just, like, not just, like, not doing that with what I did. But these are all from, like, before I was even an influencer, that I took those photos. But they're deep in the history.

[C]

I feel like you definitely have some fresh dick pics.

[B]

I should delete them, huh?

[A]

Why? Some reason. Delete. Like, as an influencer. You can do that.

[B]

I know, but should I.

[A]

You're allowed.

[B]

They look good. Like, they. Everything looks good in those. I want to keep it, baby. Manny, my. Looks good. My goodness.

[A]

Then let it be.

[B]

Like, honestly, if they. You'll get, like, a deal with Lemmy whatever.

[A]

For, like, let me get hard. Let me get hard.

[B]

There you go. Courtney gave you a new.

[A]

Whole new spectrum.

[B]

I. I don't want, like, anything. Like, I don't want my leaked online. Like, I just.

[C]

Too many screenshots. That's my problem.

[B]

Oh, see, that is bad.

[C]

I'll be sending you.

[B]

I know.

[A]

That scares me, though. That's why I'm saying my search. Like, you know what?

[C]

Like, I. I don't search anything weird. I mean, I chat. T might get a little hairy.

[A]

Yeah, I don't.

[C]

I don't search anything right now.

[B]

Like, your chat is sick.

[C]

No, well, my.

[A]

My search history is, like, drama.

[B]

Like, you're like, what the. Like, what happened to Manny movie? It's like, my search is just.

[A]

Okay, guys, literally, it's Reddit. Like, I search on. And that, like, scares me because I

[C]

feel like you're a drama channel undercover. We don't know.

[A]

Guys, I would love to be that.

[B]

You're like, that be so cool. He's like, that be so cool. Like, the gossip girls.

[A]

Like, I'm the voice.

[B]

The gossip girl.

[C]

I love yourself, but it's your voice and your accent, and we're like, that's.

[B]

That's him. The brown guy.

[C]

Like, here were the D to do just her voice.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

That's what he does.

[B]

Literally.

[C]

I'm like, dad, I would cry.

[B]

They would never know. It's Me life. Is that you? I'm like, I love that video you made about me.

[C]

Who did that would be so fun.

[A]

That be really cool.

[B]

I would live. It would like living. Living a double life.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I would do my search history. I don't search anything.

[B]

I would do search history as well. I'm okay with my camera. Search history literally is like, nothing.

[C]

Yeah, it's nothing.

[A]

My camera roll is like. Yeah.

[B]

It's like you.

[A]

Plants and trees and my dogs.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

My husband, 30.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

He's our camera roll. Just like when I cooked for dinner.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Y. Yeah.

[B]

So, I mean, I still take thotty pics in here like that, but I'm not doing, like, hole and ass. I mean, I'm doing ass. Yes, but not whole and not dick. Like, I'm not doing the crazy shit. I'm doing, like, do it all. Not g. Laura.

[C]

It's tight gaper.

[B]

It's not gay. It's not a fucking hot dog down the hallway.

[A]

Maybe give this a primer or something for tightening it.

[B]

I'm sure. No, this is pore blurring.

[A]

Tightening primer.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

There you go.

[B]

Hole blurring. Not pore, but like, pore blurring.

[C]

Organic campaign brands need to take.

[A]

You know, they ain't thinking.

[B]

Anyway, that was like the last of our questions that we had.

[C]

What. What other you trying to talk?

[B]

Yeah. Do you have anything you would like to.

[C]

No. Okay.

[A]

Look very pretty, though. Your hair looks great.

[C]

I washed it today for once.

[B]

She's like, cleaned up for me.

[C]

Exactly. I had to clean.

[B]

I had to wash it today.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's a must.

[C]

I wear it up every day because it's too long and it gets on my nerves.

[A]

So pretty.

[C]

Thank you. It over stimulates me, you know, but you get a little campaign or two

[B]

off this box, maybe.

[A]

I mean, it's worth it.

[B]

The brands would love it.

[C]

Also, it's not extensions.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

I do have to battle the extension claims. There's no extensions.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

I could feel them very much.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

This was so much fun.

[B]

I'm glad you had fun. I had a great time, too.

[A]

I've never spoken about like this on any podcast.

[B]

Really? Yeah.

[A]

I feel like some. Someone would be offended with this, but that's okay. That's life.

[C]

I mean, that's what podcasts are about. You don't have an hour and a half conversation and expect every single person to agree with everything you said. And it's a hard pill to swallow because it is hard when you read comments and you're like. Because you don't Want to make anybody feel any type of way, but the truth is truth.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And also, like, at the end of the day, opinions, it's okay to have a different opinion than someone in a respectful way. Like, at the end of the day, it is okay if you don't agree with the things that we say, because that is your opinion. Like, that is not a fact. So opinions are not facts. Like that. It is what it is. And like, at the end of the day, a podcast is for to get messy and have fun and just, like, chill.

[A]

Exactly.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

That's the whole point of it. At least that's what we like to, like, think of as it is that

[A]

I feel like people just talk about my legs and the chicken legs.

[B]

Sister, they're not gonna talk about your legs. I swear.

[C]

They're not chicken legs.

[A]

I mean, let me see.

[C]

I'm not looking in the camera. They look great.

[B]

They look great.

[C]

You have definition.

[A]

Yeah, I'm flexing them really hard.

[C]

You run. Where are you running to? To? Where are you running?

[A]

Nowhere. I live in the middle of nowhere.

[C]

Marathon.

[A]

No, I'm not that good. I run so I can eat more. That's the only reason I run.

[B]

I work out so I can. So that I can eat whatever the fat. And you know that. And I'm just trying to. It's so crazy. I can. I work out so hard to be mid.

[C]

You're not mid.

[B]

Not mid, but, like, the body wise. Like, I know I could be doing more, but because I don't really care about my diet and eating, like, I. I could do more with that, but it's like, you work out so hard to just maintain. Does that make sense? Like, to be, like, mid in that way where it's like, damn, I could, like, be doing so much more. I'm working out for the sake of, like.

[A]

You can always be doing so much more. Do you want to. You have to be happy.

[B]

No, I want to be happy. I don't want to eat whatever I want to eat.

[C]

You have to pick the things that you're passionate about because you can't do everything at 100. You cannot do everything at 100, and that's something I've had to battle.

[A]

That's a great message as a Virgo.

[B]

It's a big battle for you.

[C]

It's a big battle.

[A]

Husband's a Virgo.

[C]

Oh, is he?

[B]

I know.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

When I see it, I.

[B]

What is your sign again?

[A]

Aries. I'm fire.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Yeah, girl. I.

[A]

Wait, what is yours?

[B]

I'm an Aries. Too. Oh, I knew.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

But like, it's just funny that the being an Aries is crazy.

[A]

I knew he was going to come up.

[B]

Yeah, you knew. No, but it's funny because that's because like, we just vibe like. And I genuinely think I'm like, you would like Virgos, like have always been Virgo and Aries are like truly like a match made like dead ass.

[C]

Friends before me were Virgo, which is nasty.

[B]

But they weren't like, wow, wow.

[A]

Have you met my. You've met my husband. You haven't.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Okay, what were you gonna say?

[C]

Was that what you.

[A]

No, but like someone recently told us that Virgos and Aries don't get along and their marriage is like super rocky and it's like not gonna last.

[B]

Look at us.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And like my husband and I were like, wait, what? Our marriage, that kind of like turned us on. We were like, damn.

[B]

You're like, look, playing with fire here. Let's go. Yeah, let's Literally.

[A]

Literally.

[C]

How long have you and your man been the kids together?

[A]

2016. October.

[C]

A long time.

[A]

22nd.

[B]

Oh my God.

[C]

How'd you meet?

[A]

At a friend's birthday.

[C]

Oh.

[B]

Like in real life, like it was like a meet you like a person.

[A]

Yeah. Not Grindr, not Tinder. Coffee meets bagel, Bagel meets Hole. None of those.

[B]

Love.

[A]

It was literally a friend's birthday. Common friend, organic way.

[B]

God, I love that.

[C]

And you're Jersey. New York.

[A]

New Jersey.

[C]

Hardcore, Hardcore New Jersey. Wow.

[A]

In the middle of nowhere. Jungle.

[C]

You love that shit.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like my next door neighbor is like far away.

[C]

You love la.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

So I love la. My husband doesn't. Isn't really fond of it because. No. Like LA can get under your skin.

[B]

Like it.

[A]

You just need to be meant for LA to be in la.

[B]

Also when you come to la, you're working in la.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

When you live in la, you're not working all the time.

[A]

I treat it like a vacation. I love because I go buy my jewelry, I go shopping things, eat at stuff like outside that. But that's not real living.

[C]

I feel like you would. Right? Right.

[B]

But if you lived here, it would be really here.

[C]

You would love it. Ye, I feel like you would.

[B]

100%.

[A]

I wouldn't say no to it.

[C]

Maybe one day I do.

[A]

I feel maybe one day one of those houses on the cute houses on

[B]

the hills like you.

[C]

Absolutely.

[B]

Exactly that Be cute. Come here, neighbor. Baby, you would be over all the time.

[A]

That'd be perfect.

[C]

Everybody.

[B]

That's an Accolade. We love to host accolade.

[C]

That's an accolade for us to say.

[B]

You could come over all the time. No one gets it.

[C]

No one gets it. And many ask, and we're like, oh, yeah, girl, we'll hit you up.

[B]

Yeah, for sure.

[A]

Never.

[C]

Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[A]

Change the locks. Close

[C]

the.

[B]

Literally.

[C]

No, that's us.

[A]

Awesome.

[C]

Well, Addie, we are gonna leave down all your socials so everybody can follow you. They already do. But just.

[B]

He's amazing.

[C]

There's one or two left out there who don't know who you are.

[B]

Just one.

[A]

Make sure, my haters.

[B]

And if you're a hater, definitely follow.

[A]

You're probably blocked.

[C]

And thank you so much for coming on.

[A]

Thank you for having me.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

See you guys later.

[A]

Bye.

[B]

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