How P Diddy became a monster…The breakdown

Summary

Fool Coverage with Manny MUA and Laura Lee: "How P Diddy Became a Monster…The Breakdown"

Episode Overview

In this gripping episode of Fool Coverage with Manny MUA and Laura Lee, released on March 14, 2025, hosts Manny MUA and Laura Lee delve deep into the dark transformation of Sean Combs, popularly known as P Diddy. Utilizing insights from a recent documentary available on HBO Max, the duo unpacks the disturbing behaviors and actions that have tarnished Combs' reputation over the years, revealing a side of the mogul that few are aware of.

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Discussion Breakdown

1. Introduction to the Documentary

Manny and Laura kick off the episode by introducing the documentary they've been analyzing: "How P Diddy Became a Monster." They express their intent to dissect the first three episodes, emphasizing the overwhelming amount of information that necessitated splitting their analysis into two parts.

“We have quite the episode for you guys... It’s all absolutely nuts.” — Manny MUA [01:00]

2. Early Struggles and Formation of a Monster

The hosts discuss Combs' early life, highlighting his upbringing in Harlem without a strong father figure and the subsequent bullying he endured for his soft demeanor and fashion choices. This section explores how these experiences, coupled with his mother's tough love approach, may have contributed to his hardened persona.

“He was harassed for how he would dress, how he would act... you need to take care of yourself. You're a man.” — Laura Lee [13:11]

3. The College Years and Rising Power

Manny and Laura recount a harrowing account from the documentary where a college girlfriend witnesses Combs (then Sean Combs) violently assaulting his girlfriend with a belt. This incident marked the beginning of his ruthless methods to assert dominance and control.

“He is one of the worst humans in the world...” — Manny MUA [13:02]

4. The Basketball Game Disaster

A significant portion of the discussion centers on a tragic event orchestrated by Combs—a celebrity basketball game that turned deadly due to overselling tickets and poor crowd management, leading to nine fatalities. The hosts draw parallels between this incident and the more recent Travis Scott concert tragedy.

“He oversold the tickets and locked people in... nine people died from bomb rushing doors.” — Laura Lee [28:21]

Notable Quote: “He gets away with everything because he's so influential.” — Laura Lee [31:18]

5. Manipulation and Abuse in the Music Industry

The episode delves into Combs' manipulation within the rap industry, including his coercive behavior towards artists and producers. Laura shares a particularly disturbing story of how Combs sexually harassed producer Lil Rod, asserting his dominance by withholding payment and employing intimidation tactics.

“He was sexually harassing Lil Rod... Grabbed him on the ass, slapped him.” — Laura Lee [53:30]

6. Public Image vs. Reality

Manny and Laura contrast Combs' public persona with his behind-the-scenes actions. They discuss how his charisma and street credibility enabled him to amass power, but also how it masked his abusive tendencies. The discussion highlights the juxtaposition of Combs' "angel wings" image with his violent actions.

“He tried to drag her into it... you just have to believe him, right?” — Manny MUA [46:40]

7. The Role of Cassie in Exposing the Truth

The hosts emphasize the bravery of Cassie, who played a pivotal role in exposing Combs' abusive behavior. They discuss how her revelations have contributed significantly to the documentary, shedding light on the extent of Combs' misconduct.

“She blew the lid. She’s the reason he’s in prison right now.” — Manny MUA [52:35]

8. Legal System and Accountability

A critical point in the discussion is the apparent failure of the legal system to hold Combs accountable for his actions. Despite multiple witnesses and testimonies, Combs manages to evade prosecution, perpetuating a cycle of fear and impunity.

“He is getting away with everything by fear.” — Laura Lee [48:02]

9. Final Thoughts and Recommendations

Manny and Laura conclude the episode by urging listeners to watch the documentary for a firsthand understanding of the harrowing stories shared by the victims. They emphasize the importance of holding powerful individuals accountable and advocating for those who have suffered under Combs' influence.

“These are women that are very brave for doing it... it's something that needs to be talked about and shared.” — Laura Lee [65:52]

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Key Takeaways

• Transformation Through Trauma: Sean Combs' early experiences of bullying and lack of a paternal figure may have contributed to his aggressive and manipulative behavior.

• Violence and Intimidation: From assaulting his girlfriend in college to orchestrating deadly events like the basketball game, Combs has repeatedly used violence to assert control.

• Industry Manipulation: Combs' dominance in the music industry is marred by his abusive treatment of artists and producers, using his power to exploit and intimidate.

• Legal Impunity: Despite numerous accusations and evidence, Combs often evades legal consequences, highlighting systemic issues in holding the powerful accountable.

• Bravery of Victims: Individuals like Cassie have taken immense courage to expose Combs' actions, playing a crucial role in bringing his misconduct to light.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• “We have quite the episode for you guys... It’s all absolutely nuts.” — Manny MUA [01:00]

• “He was harassed for how he would dress, how he would act... you need to take care of yourself. You're a man.” — Laura Lee [13:11]

• “He is one of the worst humans in the world...” — Manny MUA [13:02]

• “He oversold the tickets and locked people in... nine people died from bomb rushing doors.” — Laura Lee [28:21]

• “He gets away with everything because he's so influential.” — Laura Lee [31:18]

• “He was sexually harassing Lil Rod... Grabbed him on the ass, slapped him.” — Laura Lee [53:30]

• “He tried to drag her into it... you just have to believe him, right?” — Manny MUA [46:40]

• “She blew the lid. She’s the reason he’s in prison right now.” — Manny MUA [52:35]

• “He is getting away with everything by fear.” — Laura Lee [48:02]

• “These are women that are very brave for doing it... it's something that needs to be talked about and shared.” — Laura Lee [65:52]

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Conclusion

This episode serves as a sobering examination of Sean Combs' rise to power and the dark underbelly of his influence within the entertainment industry. Through detailed recounting and critical analysis, Manny MUA and Laura Lee shed light on the systemic issues that allow powerful figures like Combs to perpetrate abuse without facing adequate repercussions. The hosts emphasize the importance of awareness, accountability, and supporting victims who bravely come forward to share their stories.

For listeners seeking an in-depth understanding of Sean Combs' transformation into a figure shrouded in controversy, this episode of Fool Coverage is an essential listen.

Transcript

[Laura Lee]

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[Manny MUA]

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[Laura Lee]

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[Manny MUA]

Water coming out. My eye was blood red. And then I thought I might have scratched my eyeball. That's what scared me, like, a little to the eye.

[Laura Lee]

I was like, no, it was like. It was a nice thing to feel wanted. I don't know.

[Manny MUA]

Welcome to your favorite podcast. It's full coverage with your host, Laura Lee and Manny Emmy Way. Hey, baby.

[Laura Lee]

Hi, you guys. How are you doing?

[Manny MUA]

We have quite the episode for you guys. So we've been watching the Diddy documentary, and we. We wanted to break this down to two parts because it's just like, so much information.

[Laura Lee]

Like, we couldn't, like, do it all in one. It's just like, there's so much because they're all an hour long. So we thought we would take the first three episodes, kind of do a quick little breakdown with you guys, talk about the documentary. Because, like, the Diddy situation that just continues to evolve. It's like, absolutely insanities in the media so much right now. So the fact that they just came out the documentary. Documentary on Max, we're like, why don't we watch it and, like, talk about it on full coverage and give you guys a breakdown of, like, his. The early situations that haven't happened that we had no idea what's happening. So we thought maybe you guys might find it interesting too, because the Diddy stuff is really.

[Manny MUA]

It all started whenever his. We had saw reports that his lawyer just dropped him for his case that's coming up. I don't know if it's soon, but his case that's coming up. His lawyer basically was like, there's no way.

[Laura Lee]

I think he said that's what he said. He's like, there's no way I can keep representing you.

[Manny MUA]

Yeah, like, publicly. And his lawyer stepped down and walked away. So we were like, it's a beautiful thing. It is.

[Laura Lee]

I'm like, find a soul.

[Manny MUA]

Because, like, after watching these three episodes of the documentary Sick dude, it's like the worst human being in the world has been let loose, and it's just gone rampant through Hollywood torturing people has.

[Laura Lee]

Been staying rampant this whole time.

[Manny MUA]

So horrible. Like it's. I thought it was like so horrible, but it's just worse. Yeah, it's always going to be worse whenever you hear the stories out of people's mouths. And they interviewed so many people. I experienced it firsthand and they told their stories and it's. It's nuts. It's all absolutely nuts. So before we dive into that, we're gonna do peaks and pits.

[Laura Lee]

Like what? I was like, okay, my okay peak. I just went down to San Diego to grab Zaya because I hadn't seen her in like seven days. I think it's actually like the longest I've ever not been. She miss with her. She missed me. She kissed me for 20 minutes straight. I'm not even kidding, not exaggeration. She was like, you're never coming back. She was like, I don't know what it's called with like a dog gets so excited that they can't really breathe. So she started like, I don't know.

[Manny MUA]

My cats have never been that excited to see me. They are like this.

[Laura Lee]

What? They're.

[Manny MUA]

They punish you for leaving, not celebrating.

[Laura Lee]

But they'll punish you like in a way like they will. And it's funny, cuz my mom was telling me that the last like three days at the house, like she was like lethargic and depressed. Like she could just tell that the attitude changed and she was just kind of like laying down more and just kind of like wanting to be by herself. And so when I got there, like the vibe changed. And I think that she honestly just probably missed me because I was gone for so long. I've never been gone from her that long for seven days. So it was really just nice to see her and be reunited. And now she's at my house. I just brought her back and it was really, really nice to be able to. To see her and be with her girl. Yeah, it felt weird because I was at the house, you know, for a day and a half before I went back to San Diego because we had just got back from our trip. I was like, I cannot go right after I get back. I'm so exhausted. And so. But it felt really weird that day and a half where I was like, it was really quiet. Like it's just me at the house, you know, 100. And it's not even that Zaya is loud. Only when people are walking by are people knock. Like she'll be. She'll bark, but she's not like just loud for no reason.

[Manny MUA]

Yeah.

[Laura Lee]

But it just felt like there's a presence that's not there. You know what I mean? Does that make sense?

[Manny MUA]

So cute.

[Laura Lee]

So that's my peek. I have her back in my life.

[Manny MUA]

Okay, so for my pit, I'm gonna do my pit. I was cleaning out my closet on Sunday. I was just, like, putting clothes away, and I was like, let me just dig through and pull out some of these sweaters that I'm not wearing. Right. To sell them. And I pulled one of the sweaters off one, like, velvet hangers. Like, I yanked it off, like, just to pop it off the hanger. And I was on my KN Knees because it was, like, at a lower level. And when I did it, the hanger just shot up so quick and stabbed me right in my eyeball. I'm talking in the pupil, but yes. So it hit me so hard, so quick. It just happened, like, within a flash of a second. I just grabbed my eye, and I was, like, laying on the floor. I didn't even scream or anything. I was just like. And then I was like, oh, my God. Because I was trying to figure out if it really got me. Yeah, something hit you by your eye. It scares you. And I was like, oh, my God. Did a hanger just pop me in my eyeball, like, or did get my eyelid and I tried to open my eye. I was like, nope, got me in the eye.

[Laura Lee]

You're like, no, it's my eyeball. No, it wasn't.

[Manny MUA]

My lid can confirm it was my eyeball. And you guys, I was freaking out. I thought I was never going to see again because I thought it was blurry.

[Laura Lee]

Open your eye.

[Manny MUA]

Blurry. So much water coming out my eyes. Blood red. And then I thought I might have scratched my eyeball. That's what scared me, like, a little to the eye.

[Laura Lee]

I was like, no, that should take so long to heal, too.

[Manny MUA]

I was so pissed, too.

[Laura Lee]

That's fierce.

[Manny MUA]

It didn't scratch my eye, though. After a while, it went back to normal. Thank God. That was my biggest fear. I was like, please don't tell me I have a scratch across my eye.

[Laura Lee]

That I've had a scratch on my eye before, and it took a long time to heal.

[Manny MUA]

Feels like a grain of salmon. Yeah.

[Laura Lee]

Like, it hurts. And then when they try to find it, they use those drops that, like, go blue so they can find where you're like, it's not even.

[Manny MUA]

Oh, they find your scratch.

[Laura Lee]

They put drops in your eye, and then they're like, oh, you do have.

[Manny MUA]

A cut, like, right I'm also the weirdest thing ever.

[Laura Lee]

No. And it's like, they're just so sensitive eyes, these eyeballs.

[Manny MUA]

I feel like I do need to wear protective goggles all day, every day, just in case. No pops.

[Laura Lee]

But you know what? You actually wear sunglasses a lot. And then that's a protective layer.

[Manny MUA]

It is.

[Laura Lee]

That's a protective layer. And it's funny because, like, I. My eyes will get sensitive sometimes if I'm on my computer or my phone for too long. And so I have, like, blue light once. I'm like, who knows if they really work? But sometimes I feel like it's just less light hitting me or less, like, sensitivity. And I feel like it won't. I'll get less headaches when I'm wearing them. So I'll sometimes just wear them for the.

[Manny MUA]

Around Nice.

[Laura Lee]

You know? So I'm like, oh, I'm just wearing around my house because I'm like. I feel like I'm not getting as much exposure to, like, just that kind of light all day. You know what I mean? Because, like, we are on social media, girlies. We're on our phones.

[Manny MUA]

Makes all the whole sense.

[Laura Lee]

So I just wear them. They look like I. Like I need reading glasses, but I'm like, I don't give a fudge.

[Manny MUA]

I love that.

[Laura Lee]

I like how I look in glasses. I don't give a fuck.

[Manny MUA]

I know they're good. I love glasses.

[Laura Lee]

Me too.

[Manny MUA]

Well, what's your peak?

[Laura Lee]

My pit. It's so funny. I feel like I don't really have a pit, which is, like, kind of funny. I was like, maybe I have another pee.

[Manny MUA]

I don't really have another peak.

[Laura Lee]

You don't have another. Oh, you don't have a peak.

[Manny MUA]

Yeah, maybe I have another pit.

[Laura Lee]

You're like, maybe I have another pit. No, I. I wanted another date last night.

[Manny MUA]

Oh, how'd it go?

[Laura Lee]

I did not. With a guy I was seeing. Obviously it was with someone else. But it's funny because this guy that I went on a date with or like, we just, like, hung out. Like, we actually used to talk, like, back in, like, I think, like, 20. 20, 2019. So a long time ago. But we recently. It's so fucking funny because recently in the last, like, maybe year, I was driving by and I went to my dentist, and I was driving by Beverly Hills, and he comes out of the store he works at, and I was like, hey. And so we just, like, kind of, like, exchanged, like, waves and moments, like, there. Saw him out weho once, like, after that, and I Was like, this is so weird because he actually doesn't live in la. He lives, like, down south. And I've seen him, like, multiple times. I'm like, this is so weird. So then recently, like, I would say maybe a month ago, like three weeks ago, he DMs, he was like, hey, like, you look. Looking so good. And, like, a photo of me. And I was like, holy fuck. I was just thinking about you. Because I actually tried to find him on, like, the dating apps. I was like, what? Which one did we meet on? Because I couldn't remember because I. And I didn't have his number saved from those years. I did. I just don't say people's numbers very well. So I was looking and looking, looking for him, and I could not find him. And I was like, okay, well, you know, if it's meant to be sensitive, he'll find me. Somehow he fucking found me. And he literally, like, DM'd me and I was like, whoa, how weird. So then we just been chatting for the last, like, two weeks. And so yesterday we hung out for the first time after having been chatting. And it went well. We went and got dinner. When we were walking back to our cars, we were making out. It was getting hot and heavy. It was getting fierce. So it was fun. It was fun to, like, kind of, like, just be distracted in a way. Like, it was nice. It was like. It was a nice thing to feel wanted. I don't know. But honestly, I was like. I was like, no, not a rebound in a way, because, like, we had already. I already know him so well. Like, I've just known him for so long that I'm like. It's actually really comfortable in, like, a weird way. And so it was nice to be able to, like, chat with him and talk to him. And we've still been chatting, and he was like, had a great time. I want to see you again this week. And I'm like, great. I'm down. So we'll do something else this week, later on.

[Manny MUA]

Yeah.

[Laura Lee]

Hang out and just see, like, where it goes. No, like, pressure, no anything. I don't want to. Like, I was saying, like, I'm not even, like, feeling like, dating dating. I just want to be, like, kind of, like, laissez and just see where things go and no expectations.

[Manny MUA]

Yeah.

[Laura Lee]

Because I'm like, already. I was just hurt, so I'm like, I need to, like, just, like, chill.

[Manny MUA]

Yeah.

[Laura Lee]

So it ended up going well, though.

[Manny MUA]

Well, good.

[Laura Lee]

The day went well.

[Manny MUA]

I'm really happy.

[Laura Lee]

It's a really Cute. Like a Mexican spot. It's a Mexican Japanese fusion.

[Manny MUA]

Oh my God, whatever.

[Laura Lee]

Like, I've never been to a Mexican Japanese fusion place, have Mexican dishes and they have Japanese dishes. It was shocking.

[Manny MUA]

Was it good fire? No fire.

[Laura Lee]

Cuz I'm telling you, like, they'll have like, they had the like spicy cucumbers that we also had yesterday together. We had them together and I had them at dinner. Again, had about dinner. But then we got like BD tacos.

[Manny MUA]

So good.

[Laura Lee]

Then we got a. We got hand rolls.

[Manny MUA]

Oh, that's so interesting.

[Laura Lee]

So it's like kind of all over the place.

[Manny MUA]

You know, I always say I'm like being from Alabama and then moving to LA is day and night living and of course moving to California. There were a lot of places in Alabama that I missed so much that we don't have in California, because I spent most of my life in Alabama, but I've been in LA for 11 years now. And I will say if I had to move somewhere else, there would be like a million food places I would miss from California. Because I will say, like, if, you know, if you say there's not good food in Los Angeles, you just didn't know where to go. You just went to the wrong places and that's okay. But just say that because let me tell you the. I used to be a picky eater, but the food is just so good in la and there's so many different types. I mean, we're talking options.

[Laura Lee]

Japanese, Japanese, Mexican fusion.

[Manny MUA]

What is that?

[Laura Lee]

I would have never in a million.

[Manny MUA]

There's just so many options here and different cuisines and different, I don't know, categories.

[Laura Lee]

Yes.

[Manny MUA]

You know, yes.

[Laura Lee]

And we should go. Honestly, I think you would really like it.

[Manny MUA]

It's one of my favorite things to do in LA is to go eat it.

[Laura Lee]

Truly, you're super close to Century City.

[Manny MUA]

Oh, live. I live. So we'll have to do that. But I love that for you. You had a good day. That's.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah, it ended up going well. And it was like, it was like kind of like a hangout, but it.

[Manny MUA]

Ended up being like, I don't, I don't really have a peak. I mean, life's been great in general.

[Laura Lee]

Honestly.

[Manny MUA]

It's been slang. I just been doing my things.

[Laura Lee]

We've just been here for like four days.

[Manny MUA]

Yeah, that's true. We just got behind this trip like four days ago. So I've just been trying to chase my tail and catch up on a couple of things and work on stuff. I guess I could Say, like, Aaron living here is a peak. So I just get to hang out with her all the time now.

[Laura Lee]

Race.

[Manny MUA]

Yes. We get to have her at Drag Race, and I get to do stuff with her, which is lovely. So I guess that could be a treat. It's a treat.

[Laura Lee]

Such a treat.

[Manny MUA]

And then, yeah, just living life, you know? But we. We binged this documentary on Diddy because we were like, this could be good, because this thing is just going to keep blowing up.

[Laura Lee]

And, you know, once the. Once the. The case actually, like, comes out and, like, once. It's actually like, okay, we're going to court. Let's be so for real. The media is about to be so blown out with Diddy and the case, but I'm like, it's gonna be.

[Manny MUA]

You know, you just hear like, he's done all this sa. Sex trafficking, gun. Things have been involved, but I didn't know any specifics. You know, it's just like. You hear it's like, the worst guy in the world, and, like, he's so scary. But I'm like, what are the things? So when the documentary came out, Manny was like. We were both like, should we do a little, like. And it's way worse. It's way. I think things are always going to be worse whenever, you know, you hear about a situation, but then you sit there and you listen to the victim tell every detail of their story of what happened to them. That's going to be worse.

[Laura Lee]

Did you empathize with, like, what happened?

[Manny MUA]

He is one of the worst humans in the world. And I totally see why the judge is refusing bell on him, no matter how much money, how much power, whatever. I see, see now why the. Why the judge is like, there's not a chance in the world, like, I get it. And I'm so scared to know what we're gonna find out, because in this documentary, we've only watched the first three episodes, and it's just the stories of the people that were interviewed. Okay.

[Laura Lee]

So there's five total.

[Manny MUA]

I know that there is just so much more that we don't know because the people haven't come forward, or maybe.

[Laura Lee]

They don't want to, or they're scaring.

[Manny MUA]

It's a scary thing. It is a scary thing.

[Laura Lee]

He's a scary person.

[Manny MUA]

But I think we'll see start kind of how the documentary just started at the top. So the first episode just kind of jumps into, like, his childhood and gives you a brief background on, like, who he is, how he grew up, and what that situation was.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah. So he actually. So he grew up in Harlem, an only child, and his dad actually passed really early in his life. So he actually didn't have like a, you know, strong father figure in his life. It was really just him and his mom. And his mom, they had said, was basically just like fly as hell, super cool, like just absolutely sickening. But she was having to fill in the mom and dad role for him. So grew up in Harlem and he was actually quite soft. And he wasn't like this like big, bad, like guy. He was actually like really like, was like dressing like a soft, sweet kid. Like a soft, sweet kid. So being that he's growing up in Harlem, the kids, the neighborhood started making fun of him. Like, you can't be soft. There is basically how they describe it where it's like, baby, if you're going to be like that here, you're going to be shredded to filth. You're going to be absolutely bullied. And so he was basically harassed for how he would dress, how he would act. And so his mom, being how the type of mom that she was, was very like, you don't bring me this bullshit. You're going to. If you're going to get punch, you're punching back and you're going to win. So she was actually very hard on him about being like, no, you need to take care of yourself. You're a man. Like be a man. So that image got instilled really young. Thank you so much to Shopify for sponsoring this portion of full coverage, you guys. That's the sound you'll hear when you switch your business to Shopify, the global commerce platform that supercharges your selling wherever you sell, online, in person, on social media and beyond. It really is the best all in one commerce platform. And me and Laura are absolutely obsessed with the Shopify. We use it for both of our brands.

[Manny MUA]

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[Manny MUA]

I think for me watching this documentary, I understand this is a production and they have story lines and they want to tell a story with a storyline, but then going on to tell all that happened and all that this man did and like kind of pinning it on a bad childhood.

[Laura Lee]

Right.

[Manny MUA]

Was not cutting it for me. Cuz there are a lot of people who've had a lot, lot worse childhoods that haven't done the things. And I know they're trying to just paint the story for you. They're trying to paint the pict. But I'm like, no, no, no, no. Him being bullied for dressing well and his mother holding him accountable for that and saying, you need to beat their ass. If they're bullying you don't come home beat up. You beat their ass, you get them worse. It's not a reason.

[Laura Lee]

It's not valid. It's not the val. It doesn't like, like.

[Manny MUA]

Right.

[Laura Lee]

Doesn't mean that's okay.

[Manny MUA]

Yeah, I think like watching that, I was like, okay, so your mom was like, don't be a.

[Laura Lee]

She's a hard ass.

[Manny MUA]

And that's why I'm like, that's just not enough for me for the storyline.

[Laura Lee]

No, it just doesn't. What's it called when it's like, it doesn't it doesn't fit the bill for what happened. It doesn't.

[Manny MUA]

It's not fit.

[Laura Lee]

Correlate the bill.

[Manny MUA]

I understand HBO is trying to just.

[Laura Lee]

For sure, they're paying.

[Manny MUA]

They're trying to paint the picture for you. But, baby, that didn't. I was like, baby, no, no, no, no.

[Laura Lee]

They're. Honestly, what they're trying to do is basically being like, this is how he started out. This is, like where he came from. And then this is how.

[Manny MUA]

I don't think that's why he is the way he is.

[Laura Lee]

No, I just like your circumstance. I think they're trying to tell us what. No, what they're trying to do is be like, oh, like, this is how he's. Like, they're trying to do that. Basically. It's like, it's just his circumstance that he's in. This is what's happening. And it's like, obviously the starting documentary about a person. They're gonna be like, this is how he grew up. This is what's happening. But they're doing it in that way where it's kind of like it feels. No, he had a hard time.

[Manny MUA]

Was hard on him. Oh, okay. So that's. That's why he did all this stuff, right?

[Laura Lee]

That's why he's a diddler.

[Manny MUA]

No. Yeah. No babes, no vibes. So that was the only part I was like, I understand. You are trying to pay.

[Laura Lee]

Yes.

[Manny MUA]

What they're doing, buying it.

[Laura Lee]

Right, right. And that's why they're doing it.

[Manny MUA]

Monster in and out. And this starts from a very young age, like him in college doing crazy shit.

[Laura Lee]

Oh, girl wins. So it's basically. So, yeah. As Zachary is, like, progressing, it's basically just showing this. It is painting this picture of, like, he's has no father figure. It's just him and his mom. His mom's like, maybe you need to figure it the fuck out for yourself. He's getting bullied. He starts making friends. He starts to become hard. So this is like, where the idea of, like, the idea of him being like this, like, for the streets kind of a guy is starting to come from, because it's like, he didn't start that way. Right. He became that because he had to get hard from the streets of Harlem. So that's, like, where it starts to go. Right? So he has always had this charisma. Like, he has this charismatic personality. People, I guess, flock to him in some capacity, in some way. And so he's starting to go to college. The college happens. And so in the documentary, it Shows this woman who's actually, like, doesn't show her face, you know, so she's actually.

[Manny MUA]

Shadow said she's scared.

[Laura Lee]

Yes. And I believe it and I understand it. So she's so right. Right now we're at the point where we're in college and she's actually retelling a story about what happened that she actually personally witnessed with Diddy. Right. And like, what's.

[Manny MUA]

Keep in mind, Diddy in college, Puff Daddy, Sean Combs, he was. He was very. Because of his charismatic behavior, the whole college knew who he was. He was like the most popular person in the college. Everybody was like, obsessed with them. He could get away with anything in the college because he had already created at such a young age this, like, charismatic character Persona that everybody loved so much. So this girl's in the interview and they have her blacked out, and she's like, I'm scared to show myself. But she's telling the story of what she saw according. Across the window of her room. Correct? Like, she was like, her room, her friend, where it was her and her friend in her window. And she sees it across and. Because everyone knows who Sean Combs is. She knew who he was when she saw this happening. She knew who was doing it. But. Do you want me to tell the story?

[Laura Lee]

Yeah, tell it, please. At the bottom of the dorm. This is happening at the bottom of the dorm.

[Manny MUA]

Dorm. She hears someone yelling and screaming and going crazy. She get her and her best friend, they're in their dorm. They go to the window. They see it, Sean Combs. They see who it is. So they know it's him. And they're. They're. He's calling for his girlfriend. He's like, up here.

[Laura Lee]

Get the.

[Manny MUA]

Down here. That's what it was. Get the up.

[Laura Lee]

Get down here. Cuz she was in her room.

[Manny MUA]

Uhhuh. So she went to the room. They can see it happening. She goes to the room, come in, he has a belt in his hand. He's whipping the wall with the belt. He's like, get down here. And then they watch her get profusely beat with this bell and with his hands, him just beating the living hell out of his girlfriend in college. They do nothing. They report nothing. They turn a blind eye, which I'm sure is some of the reasons you didn't want to show her face. But at least she's. At least she's contributing to the documentary and trying to contribute to the story.

[Laura Lee]

And probably make it right in her way. Yeah, she probably feels probably.

[Manny MUA]

At least she was Brave enough after all these years to step forward and say, like, at such a young age, this is the he was doing. And apparently the girlfriend that got beat never spoken up. And she did say that she carried a lot of guilt for not speaking up because of what. How it went on to be. And she felt like, if I would have told someone, I could have saved his girlfriend and the next girl. And the next girl monster. And she was like, you know, had a lot of guilt from that. But this is him in college, guys before he's famous.

[Laura Lee]

But he's starting to realize that he has, like, this influence, this power. This is, like, where the power imbalance is, where it's starting. So he actually ended up being given a doctorate by Howard.

[Manny MUA]

Doctorate.

[Laura Lee]

I think it's Howard. Yeah, he went to. He. He only went to for two years, but then later on, he gets bestowed a doctorate from there. And I was like, what the. I didn't even know that was possible, by the way. But in.

[Manny MUA]

I'm like, what?

[Laura Lee]

I'm like, wait, what.

[Manny MUA]

What kind of school is this that you just hand out?

[Laura Lee]

What do you mean, a doctorate?

[Manny MUA]

Because what, famous and privileged?

[Laura Lee]

Like a doctor of what?

[Manny MUA]

I didn't know that you could just give degrees.

[Laura Lee]

No clue. So then in his speech, he actually talks about. Because it's actually when Diddy's older now, this is just a kind of, you know, foreshadowing. Goes back to accept. He says, and the thing was, like, how are these two years, like, shaped who I was? I was different after how it changed my life, changed my life forever.

[Manny MUA]

And it's like he said they were the best two years of his life.

[Laura Lee]

And he basically, like, what people say in the documentary, like, people that are around him and know him, they said that Howard was where he realized, like, what he could do and that he had power and that he had influence and that he figured out that that was, like, a way that he can like, kind of sneak in to, like, people's life and manipulate them really into getting what he wanted. Because he got away with it at Howard, and he got so much there that he's like, like, oh, this is how I'm gonna be. So that was kind of what he was like, saying. The documentary is kind of like, giving that information. People are saying that, like, that were in his life as an adult. It's like, oh, he always talked. He talked about Howard and how he got away with a lot there.

[Manny MUA]

So then it moves on to another interviewer, and she works for Vibe magazine, I believe she was like, one of the heads of Vibe magazine.

[Laura Lee]

She was up there and.

[Manny MUA]

Oh, she was a journalist for Vibe magazine. That's what it was. But she was like a head journalist for the magazine. And Sean Combs, Diddy, puff daddy, had blown up, okay. Over these past few years out of college in the RA game. We all know that, right? So she. They want him on the COVID of Vibe magazine, and they do the photo shoot.

[Laura Lee]

Very popular, like, magazine back in the day, too.

[Manny MUA]

Yes. Huge, huge magazine back in the day. They do the Post shoot. It's over. Diddy calls her office, and he's like, I want to see the COVID And she was like, oh, like, we don't show the COVID to the artist. And by the way, that is how press is.

[Laura Lee]

It's always like that.

[Manny MUA]

Like, if you do an interview podcast, like, any of that, you don't get to see your interview. You don't get to tweak your interview. Like, it is what it is. So you have to be very careful with these things. That's why people have publicist to make sure you do a good job when you go there. So she's just like, we don't show the COVID of the magazine to any artist. And she even goes on to say, you know, we've had this celebrity, that celebrity. They didn't get to see their artist. You're not going to get to. He hangs up. And then he calls back and he's like, show me my cover before it releases. And she's like, no. And he basically says, I'm going. Can I say it? I'm gonna.

[Laura Lee]

And you.

[Manny MUA]

I'm gonna end you. We're gonna say. I mean, he said. He says the k. He says a lot of really, like, in a really brutal way.

[Laura Lee]

He says something crazy.

[Manny MUA]

And then proceeded. And then she hangs. Basically. She's like. Listens her death threats.

[Laura Lee]

She says, just take that back right now.

[Manny MUA]

Yes, take it back and apologize. Remember?

[Laura Lee]

He's like, no, I'm not.

[Manny MUA]

He's like, no, I won't. So then he has her followed. Remember the black SUVs that were following her? So then the magazine has to, like, security for her.

[Laura Lee]

She also says. She's like, let me tell you something. I'm gonna hit up my lawyer, and if you don't fax me over an apology in the next whatever time, I'm calling the police.

[Manny MUA]

Yep. And she said she's gonna report him and sue him. Which, by the way, Puff Daddy is big at this point.

[Laura Lee]

But he's not.

[Manny MUA]

But he's not nowhere to the power he ended up getting. So it's still to the point where people are willing to go to authorities for sure.

[Laura Lee]

Like, it's not. It's not that spot yet. It's not at the part where it's like, people are like. Like, super spooked behind this. Like, it's scary. Don't get me wrong. It's very, like, spooky, but it's not there yet. So basically, soon after, they sent over an apology and there was like. It was nine hours later. Yes. They got fax an apology, and it was like, okay. It is what it was. I'm sorry for doing it.

[Manny MUA]

But then he continues to, like, have her harass her. Harass her.

[Laura Lee]

Yes. So she ended up getting harassed. And I. I believe that it ended up still getting published.

[Manny MUA]

Yeah, it did.

[Laura Lee]

Like, and it shows, like, in his little angel wings. And it's funny how it's like the juxtaposition of him being in angel wings, acting like a literal demon.

[Manny MUA]

And you guys, this is early on in his career. This is how. This is the stuff he's doing. And this is just people that are willing to tell their story over not seeing a magazine cover. This is the stuff he's doing early on. So can you imagine, like, all the other things he did that we don't know about girl, you know what I'm saying?

[Laura Lee]

It's like, no.

[Manny MUA]

Over a magazine cover. The COVID We're threatening.

[Laura Lee]

He's like, I'm going to bury you, essentially, is what he said. And it wasn't like, bury you like, I'm gonna bury you like, you're never gonna work again. It was bare. You, like, it was six feet underbearing. It was very serious. But what's crazy, another thing that happened really early on in his career, before he was really like, Puff was the game, the basketball game.

[Manny MUA]

Oh, my God. Never heard about this. We were just too young at the time because this was so early in his career.

[Laura Lee]

It was the year I was born.

[Manny MUA]

Okay.

[Laura Lee]

It was literally in 1991.

[Manny MUA]

I was like, this man has been terrorizing people for how many years?

[Laura Lee]

Over 30 years. So. So this experience happened. So he's basically like, pub has become almost like a promoter, right? He's, like, gone to this part where he's like, kind of like, under, like, a record label. He's like, kind of an under record label doing his own. He's like, working on his own thing, making a record label. And so he's doing this celebrity basketball game. And he has, like, all these celebrities that are basically endorsing it, rappers endorsing it. All these things happening.

[Manny MUA]

Biggest of the big.

[Laura Lee]

Huge, huge, huge. So do this charity essentially, like, basketball game, right?

[Manny MUA]

You can, like, buy a ticket to the public, and that's how they made their money to come to the game.

[Laura Lee]

And so all these celebrities, like I was saying, a ton of people. He's, like, very connected at this point because he is, like, working for, like, record labels in the music industry, things like that are happening. So the situation that happened, it actually turned into a complete disaster and honestly, like, a tragedy. So basically what happened was they oversold the amount of tickets and things that were happening. Not only did they sell it, like, online or whatever, how they're not online, but like, in person buying tickets. But you can buy tickets when you got there. But people already had tickets in hand, so they're like, why?

[Manny MUA]

So they wanted the money? Yeah, they wanted money, but they knew that they had sold too many tickets and not everyone was gonna get in. So when everybody shows up to get in, and there's way too many people, they just closed the doors and locked them in the basketball arena that once it was full, they literally just slammed the doors closed and locked them and left all the people with tickets in hand outside the arena.

[Laura Lee]

And they're like, on stairways, like, so imagine, like. Imagine like a high school gymnast gymnasium. That's basically what was that. I was out of school. And there's, like, ways to get into that gymnasium, right? Where you're going downstairs, like, getting through doors. Like, it's very specific. They sealed off all these things because it was, like, at capacity. So they sealed off the doors. But the amount of people. There are hundreds of people outside trying to get in, because it's like, baby, we have tickets. And they want to see these celebrities. They want to be part of the situation, right? So now it's showing the interviews of people who had family and friends and people in their life at this game. And people died at this game because of how crazy and just absolute clusterfuck of. Of crowding and stepping. And honestly, it became.

[Manny MUA]

It's kind of like a Travis Scott situation in a way. Whereas his concert, people just kind of mosh pitted up, and it caused people to suffocate and basically die. It was like the same kind of situation which Grant. This happened years before, the Travis Scott thing, But it basically, people decided to ram sack the doors to get in because they were mad and they got tickets, and it just caused people to, you know, literally crush people together. And I think they said nine people died. From that. And what's crazy is his girlfriend at time, one of her best friends, Diddy said Puff Daddy at the time said. She said, can she come? He said, yeah, I got a ticket for her. So she got a ticket and she went and she was one of the people that were killed in the crowds. And she. What's so crazy is her brother was there telling the story, her story of his sister so young that got killed there. He didn't care, by the way, but she literally have. Yes, did. He didn't care. But she literally had a boot mark on her face where she was stomped to death in that crowd and a.

[Laura Lee]

Boot print on her face.

[Manny MUA]

It was like so many people. I mean, nine people dying over bomb rushing doors is.

[Laura Lee]

It was how crazy it is.

[Manny MUA]

And you know, Diddy didn't care. He took no accountability, no responsibility for. And that was also a huge hit on his reputation and career back then. And I didn't even know that that happened. But that was like a huge hit for him because it was his thing that he put on. He oversold the tickets. It was his responsibility, his liability. Just like the Travis Scott one.

[Laura Lee]

Yes. Was he that's doing it.

[Manny MUA]

Yeah, this was my daddy's. And he didn't care.

[Laura Lee]

He literally was like walking through, like.

[Manny MUA]

Kind of like spooked him on, like security catch him on camera.

[Laura Lee]

You guys. They're showing footage of it because it's documentary. They're showing him walking through, like, shirt open, being kind of like, kind of spooked of the idea that it happened.

[Manny MUA]

There's like dead bodies everywhere in the gymnasium.

[Laura Lee]

They're like trying to clear out the gymnasium. There's people getting literally ushered out in stretchers because they literally have passed away from getting stomped to death and suffocated death by the amount of people. Imagine that is the way you go. Your face is squished against someone's back and you get crushed to death.

[Manny MUA]

It's just like. It's just the irresponsibility. But like now, after watching by the episode three, you're like, oh, yeah, he didn't give a no.

[Laura Lee]

Because we're like still in the beginning. Like, this is in the beginning stages of it because this is actually before he becomes again puff, where it's like, really? He's becomes this like humongous mega star. Obviously that creates his own brands. But that was one of the stories and situations where actually did took a huge. A huge public press hit. It got him.

[Manny MUA]

Really did. It got him. That one was a big one.

[Laura Lee]

It was a Big hit on his career. But he I guess starts to pivot and is like, like puff.

[Manny MUA]

Yeah.

[Laura Lee]

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[Laura Lee]

Starts to pivot.

[Manny MUA]

Oh, he changed. That wasn't when he changed his name though.

[Laura Lee]

No, it's just like in general I.

[Manny MUA]

Grew up with Puff Daddy.

[Laura Lee]

Right.

[Manny MUA]

Not P. Diddy.

[Laura Lee]

Right.

[Manny MUA]

Okay. And then the documentary kind of moves on because after he kind of does some work to clean that up a.

[Laura Lee]

Little bit with celebrity publicly.

[Manny MUA]

Yes, yes. He gets dropped by his record label, they fire him. They fired him, which was crazy because he was like one of the biggest artists at that time.

[Laura Lee]

And he was eating because he worked for the record label. He was working for them. He wasn't even the one that was, like, singing in it. He was literally, like, working at the label.

[Manny MUA]

He was really good at finding talents that was more stars that he was good at. He was good at finding people that could be a star. Like spotting out talent, spotting out stars. He was good at that. And two things can be true. He can be good at that. And he can also be the worst human alive.

[Laura Lee]

So be a monster.

[Manny MUA]

Let me just say that. So then it goes on to show how he then branched out on his own and created Bad Boy Records, which was his own record label, which was an East Coast, New York thing. And then you have Death Row, which is the west coast rap gang. So now you have competing because you have this huge up and coming label, Bad Boy, who's signing a lot of records. You already had Death Row. So they're battling. Okay. They don't like each other.

[Laura Lee]

Like, the rap game, if you do not know, is very like.

[Manny MUA]

I'm like, I didn't actually.

[Laura Lee]

I mean, I did it. I mean, I didn't really. I didn't know a ton. I. But I did know that there was like, obviously, like, a lot of that was rooted in, like, you know, west coast versus east coast and, like, gangs. And a lot of that is rooted in that. And so I knew, like, a little bit, but I didn't know to the extent of, like, them essentially being in, like, it's like a record label, but they're like, essentially also a gang in a way where it's like they roast each other. And it's like. Like, it kind of like turned into like a Tupac versus Biggie, like two huge powerhouses in, like, the rap scene, hip hop scene, just rap scene. And it becomes like, actually, like a huge, like, cluster between them. And it becomes a very intense, like, battle. And things are starting to really go down because they're essentially kind of going at war. They're at war. The west versus the east is at war. Because, like, I think that either one of them wanted to take the territory of the other. That was like, the whole point. I think that's like, what it was.

[Manny MUA]

It started crazy because they had people that would speak on Diddy. Like, if you. One of his friends, like, had a shirt on that could have alluded that he was, like, death row and he tried to run him off the road and kill him for. Remember that?

[Laura Lee]

Yes. And then the friend is already telling the story, guys. It was. He tells the story. He's like, once Diddy came up next to me in the car and was like.

[Manny MUA]

Pulls up your. Yep.

[Laura Lee]

It was basically like your little. He's like, what? What are you talking about? He's like, you're a little. They draw. He starts driving off. Diddy runs him into a medium.

[Manny MUA]

Huh. Interesting.

[Laura Lee]

It almost kills him.

[Manny MUA]

Yeah. And it was. Kills him for wearing a shirt. Like, Diddy was, like, crazy.

[Laura Lee]

And that was then, like, he was basically, like. Because the thing is that the reason. Another, like, reason why Diddy kind of came up in fame is that he was good at basically being, like, for the street. So he had a lot of street cred. I mean, like, I'm. I am a gangster. Like, I'm about that life, basically, is what he's about. Right. But knew how to sell a public image for the masses when it comes to music.

[Manny MUA]

So it shows his genius of taking these, like, softer songs that blew up every step. Like, and the music he took from an original song, like, basically a song that was, like, pop and everyone loved. He would take the beats from that and turn into, like, a Diddy rap song. It was so good. Making rap for everyone. That's basically what he was good at. Like, we said, two things can be true. You can be good at that.

[Laura Lee]

And a monster.

[Manny MUA]

And a monster.

[Laura Lee]

So he. So that's why he was so. But then he. Because he was so about that, like, gangster life. He had a lot of respect. So it was like he had, like, this perfect storm of, like, essentially power, where he had it from the streets, he had it from, like, the public. He really had this, like, you know, mesh of just getting anything and everything that he really wanted. And that's just how he be. Was starting to come. So then we get to this part.

[Manny MUA]

Where, like, it goes on to the club.

[Laura Lee]

The club scene. I was like. I'll say the club girl. And this is the one that, like, I did know about this a little bit, but only because of the case popping up. Yeah, I did. Again, this is something that I essentially, like, I felt like was buried.

[Manny MUA]

Yeah, definitely.

[Laura Lee]

I didn't know about this history with JLo. I didn't know this history like, this.

[Manny MUA]

Oh, I didn't know. Jayla was up in it.

[Laura Lee]

Like, I thought she was the one that was there.

[Manny MUA]

Girl jlo, Jayla up in here. Girl Jayla, what were you doing? So he apparently, like, whoever he wants to date, he gets to date. Like, he is, like, now he's got that record label. Like, he has really sank his teeth into, like, controlling the industry. And he's like, I want JLo. So he got jailed.

[Laura Lee]

He's with someone. I think at the time.

[Manny MUA]

Yeah, he was with his baby mama.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah. Yes, with Kim. Doesn't have, like, four kids.

[Manny MUA]

Yes, four kids together. And he's just like, I want Jay.

[Laura Lee]

I'm good. I'm gonna be J.

[Manny MUA]

So he got JLo. So now him and Jayla are dating. They go to the club one night. JLo is with him. It's his bodyguard.

[Laura Lee]

Bodyguard.

[Manny MUA]

Him and Jay, up and coming rapper.

[Laura Lee]

Yep.

[Manny MUA]

Shine and P. Diddy of Daddy and Jayla, they go to the club. Girl battle breaks out of the club due to the record labels battling. Guns are pulled out. And in the documentary, the interviewers explain there's a girl there that got shot in the face. Okay. She survived. She's in the documentary telling what her.

[Laura Lee]

Story she saw happen. She's literally telling what she saw and she witnessed and she saw. Both Shine and Diddy pull out guns.

[Manny MUA]

At the club as Diddy, everyone else, and they, okay, imagine a nightclub packed full of people, and the two most famous people there pull out guns to start shooting. What in the world?

[Laura Lee]

What's happening?

[Manny MUA]

Man walks free girl.

[Laura Lee]

Make it make sense. So this is why it's actually really quite gaggy. Because, again, this is just showing that Diddy is so influential in a way where he's getting his way and he is getting away from the law. Like, the law is, like. Is chasing him, but he's still somehow getting out of it, and he's winning these situations. So basically, what happened? Again, the gun goes off. They actually end up catching Shine. Like, the security police, whatever might be, they catch him. But Diddy, the bodyguard, and JLo all get back to the car. Like the. Essentially the getaway car.

[Manny MUA]

The driver, that's a driver. So there's four of them in the car. And Diddy's, like, tells the driver, go, run from the run.

[Laura Lee]

Go, go, go, go.

[Manny MUA]

We have police are after us after all of them. They run from the police. JLo is in the car running, too. The driver says, as we're driving, we're running from the police. We see Diddy lower his window and throw an object out of the window. The driver's like, assuming that's was. I mean, it's his gun.

[Laura Lee]

Yes. And then the driver saw that he had a gun, by the way, when they were driving there. The driver is. The driver's in the dock.

[Manny MUA]

This is coming from the driver.

[Laura Lee]

The driver is literally like, baby, I was there. I was the driver. This was happening. And he said, when I was driving them to the club, Diddy had a gun in possession. So that was already like point blank. It was there. He literally was like, it's. It was there. But the whole case is that did he never had a gun. That was the whole point.

[Manny MUA]

But what's crazy is the girl that got shot in the face testified and said, I saw Diddy pulley's gun. I saw him shoot me in the face. And that wasn't enough to trial him. That's what happens when you're a proper celebrity on stand, girl.

[Laura Lee]

It's. It's literally fucking crazy.

[Manny MUA]

It's crazy. She literally saw it happen.

[Laura Lee]

She is literally shot in the face. And like, what.

[Manny MUA]

What more evidence do you need?

[Laura Lee]

So then did. He's like, kind of like, okay, like, I need like a fall guy.

[Manny MUA]

But the. Okay. But he throws. Diddy throws his gun out of the car window, but the bodyguard wasn't able to get rid of the gun in time because the police got him. So he wasn't able to get his gun out of the car window in time. So now you got the four of them arrested. Even JLo is determined. You have.

[Laura Lee]

Did. He has that photo.

[Manny MUA]

There's a. Yep, there's a gun in the car. And so they're in the jailhouse now, like, sitting, waiting to be booked. And Diddy looks over to the driver and he mummers under his voice because he said there was a police officer still at the desk. So he mummers under his voice, like, really low under his breath. He's like, I'll give you $50,000 to say you have the gun. Say the gun jers. And I was like, what the. Because he didn't want to do it. And then Diddy shows him, pulls out his pinky finger, like, nudges it over to him. He's like, see the ring on my pinky finger? It's $300,000. I'll give it to you as collateral for the 50 grand. I'm good for you. Like, I'm good for it. Take the pinky ring finger. It's worth 300, 000. So you'll get your 50, 000. That'll be your collateral. The driver's like, no.

[Laura Lee]

Not only did the driver say no, he's like, I'm gonna testify.

[Manny MUA]

The driver turned on him. I'm gonna testify in court against you.

[Laura Lee]

And honestly, like, watching the driver talk about it, I'm like. Like, I just love this little man because he's like. He's like, I just cannot stand by seeing someone. Like, he's like, I just want to do the right thing. He literally goes like, I just want to do the right thing, and I just want to, like, do right by people. So now it's like, maybe the case is wide open. Like, Diddy literally gets arrested. The case is wide open. It's literally like, Shine, Diddy, the bodyguard. Jayla doesn't like, she gets, like. She's not really involved in the case like that. So basically, like, the court case, like, it happens. It starts, and somehow, some way, Diddy is not prosecuted.

[Manny MUA]

They put it all on the rapper Shine. Everything he Shine goes to jail for.

[Laura Lee]

Oh. And I literally. I'm like, so not only does Diddy, not the bodyguard doesn't either. It's literally like, Diddy goes scot free, I think. Is it called acquitted? Like, he was acquitted?

[Manny MUA]

Yeah, he was acquitted. They said acquitted in the documentary.

[Laura Lee]

And I don't really even know what acquitted, like, really means, but he basically just didn't go to jail. Yeah, and the other guy did.

[Manny MUA]

Shine, the other rapper went to jail for everything. But they did say it rattled his public image a little bit, because now you've got the situation that happened at the basketball game, and now he's publicly going to court for a shooting. So people are kind of starting to get rattled.

[Laura Lee]

They're like, but he's getting really even more respected.

[Manny MUA]

Yes. In the rap game.

[Laura Lee]

In the rap game.

[Manny MUA]

So behind the scenes, he's, like, getting up there with more power. He got way more power after this.

[Laura Lee]

Getting away with it now. So he's literally getting so respected, mad respected for this, because he's like, I did it. He. He gets away with it. But he's the one that's actually doing it. And everyone knows that he's doing it because now there's actual witnesses. And the fact that they have witnesses, someone that literally got shot in the face from Diddy being like, that was Diddy. He shot me in the face. And he still gets off is, again.

[Manny MUA]

It goes to show you what's going on with the system. So, like, then the documentary kind of goes into more about bad boy Death Row, like, breaks down the little fight, not the little Fights, but the little nuances within those fights. Okay. And then it moves on to victims, separate victims of essay. And it's very triggering. So it's very, very essay triggering. So if that is something not for you, I'm warning you. They warn you in the show as well not to watch it, because the victims do sit down and they do explain everything that Diddy did to them. These are women in detail, and these are women, and they're very brave for doing it. But the first woman was the girlfriend of the executive producer for Diddy's work. So Diddy was created bad boys.

[Laura Lee]

He was like one of the producers.

[Manny MUA]

One of the high up producers. And he had a girlfriend. And the girlfriend was always around and was with, you know, and Diddy knew her and.

[Laura Lee]

He told her that, like, she's up.

[Manny MUA]

Yes. He said, your boyfriend, the producer, I don't know his name, he said, he's really up. And I'm basically need you all to get that under wraps, get it figured, get it figured out. Because he's up at work. And so the girlfriend's like, got it, got it, got it. So then one day she gets a call from Diddy. He's like, I'm sending a car to pick you up. I need to talk to you. Head to the studio. And she said she thought this was normal because he had already pulled her aside and talked to her, and he thought that this was a continuation of your man's up. Get it together. So she got in the car. This is the worst story, I will say.

[Laura Lee]

Yes. And the three episodes that we watched, this is like the.

[Manny MUA]

It was really hard to get unwatchable.

[Laura Lee]

Because, like, she essentially was drugged too.

[Manny MUA]

She was. Yep.

[Laura Lee]

Like, she was given something.

[Manny MUA]

She was drugged, and then she was essayed in the worst possible way.

[Laura Lee]

Yes, correct.

[Manny MUA]

And that's all I will say.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah, I feel like it's too fierce. Like, I. I just like, she.

[Manny MUA]

He filmed it. I mean, he. She described. He describes every detail.

[Laura Lee]

She does. If you want to see that and you want to hear her account of that, then it's something to watch again. It's on hbo, Max. But it's something that's quite brutal.

[Manny MUA]

And it is so brutal.

[Laura Lee]

I.

[Manny MUA]

It is so. It was hard. Hard.

[Laura Lee]

It was hard to watch. It was so hard to listen to.

[Manny MUA]

I like, I want to say it on here because I want you guys to know that that's how he did business. So because her boyfriend was messing up, he did that to his girlfriend to punish the producer for messing up. So the. That's what he did. I did this to your girlfriend. Don't up at work again.

[Laura Lee]

And you guys, it gives like, details. Like, it's like really brutal. And. And she obviously is completely destroyed. And she's like, I want to leave the country. Like, I want to leave. I want to get out of here. And she basically has to go into hiding because he did. He calls her and is like, after.

[Manny MUA]

He did it, he calls her and like threatens her life. And it's like, if you say a word, you're done. Yeah.

[Laura Lee]

So then she literally is essentially silenced. And the only reason she's even talking came out is because of Cassie.

[Manny MUA]

And she. Yep, it's because of Cassie. And she was, you know, someone picked her up after that happened and they tried to take her directly to the hospital. And basically she was scared for her.

[Laura Lee]

I don't want to call the police.

[Manny MUA]

And this is how he's gotten away with everything, by the way, by fear.

[Laura Lee]

He's fear. He's making them so scared of situations that could happen.

[Manny MUA]

Or whenever he blatantly does do something, the court system doesn't do anything about it. So you can't expect these people to not be scared because he could do anything to you and they're gonna let him off.

[Laura Lee]

Do you think that, like, this is even just a pivot randomly with the case with like the gun situation? Right. Do you think that he could have had something on people in the court and be like, if you make me guilty, you're gonna be like, do you think he was already at that point where he had a lot of power, like in the, like in that spot? Because I'm wondering. I'm like, because when you have that many accounts against you, I'm like, so then how do you just not get.

[Manny MUA]

I know. Like, how do you get? Unless there's some type of offer that. Because it was just like the most blatant, like, obviously he did it.

[Laura Lee]

I'm like, do you think that there was like, foul play?

[Manny MUA]

I don't know.

[Laura Lee]

In a way where it's like, how could that happen?

[Manny MUA]

Maybe.

[Laura Lee]

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[Manny MUA]

It's hard to watch. It's so bad. And then it. It kind of jumps from there onto Cass because he did start dating Cassidy shortly after. She's not in the documentary speaking, but there was this really interesting part in the documentary and they explain basically why Cassie blew this all wide open. There is a lot of like the cook and the bodyguard who speak forecast and the things that they saw themselves and the things he would do to cast which are cra. The what's it called of freak offs.

[Laura Lee]

Freakoff.

[Manny MUA]

Where he would put her in a hotel room for like a whole weekend and have different sex workers come in. And he would make her do just all drug her, make her do all kinds of things. Then there's the.

[Laura Lee]

And with the employee, like with the people too. Like with. With people that worked with him. And he would make them go to the clubs and get escorts and get people and bring them back. And he would make them hook up.

[Manny MUA]

With them while he watched to watch it. And then, you know, the video comes out of him beating Cass in the hotel, which the chef and the bodyguard were like, basically, yeah, this is what he does. So it's so sad. But anyway, so he got in a lifetime achievement award, which. Good job, guys. With his track record that we already know about, like his literal track record that we do know about, that's public.

[Laura Lee]

Y'all want to give him a lifetime achievement? What do you achieve?

[Manny MUA]

I'm so done with lifetime. I'm done. I'm out. I'm locked Out.

[Laura Lee]

We're done.

[Manny MUA]

We're done.

[Laura Lee]

We're done.

[Manny MUA]

That award's done. Because this is who. This is what? Like, because we already know all a lot of this stuff publicly.

[Laura Lee]

And, like, that's one Google search. Literally lifetime couldn't do one Google search on one.

[Manny MUA]

So he's. He's getting this lifetime achievement world. And Cassie is. Now they are split. She is out of the picture 100, and she has moved on. And she's with another man. And at the end of his speech for his award, he says, I would like to thank Cass for holding it down, holding me down, you know, during the good times, the bad time. He thanks her. And it's a total power move to publicly, like, be like, cass, don't forget you.

[Laura Lee]

I know. I see you too.

[Manny MUA]

Yep, it's. It's a total power move. And she flipped it on him. She's so brave, by the way. God, Cat. She is the one who blew the lid. She's the reason he's in prison right now.

[Laura Lee]

She's literally, like, the bravest person she is.

[Manny MUA]

She blew this wide open. And it was right after he gave that speech and tried to drag her into it. She said, you want to drag me? You want to try?

[Laura Lee]

After all what. After what I've been through, Literally dragged by you. Wrong one.

[Manny MUA]

Wrong one.

[Laura Lee]

And it's crazy, you guys. So, like, a lot of it, like, so this is like, towards, you know, this is an episode three. Like, a lot of it is kind of showing these power play moves that he has, and he's so addicted, what it seems like, to power and making sure that people, like, essentially bow down to him. Another example was with Little Rod, and Little Rod was someone who was, I guess, helping him produce the, like, the.

[Manny MUA]

Main producer on one of his albums, Heart.

[Laura Lee]

It was like something with Heart is in the Name. He was. He was basically producing one of the albums, and they were talking and he's like, oh, like, how much are you gonna, like, pay me for, like, producing this? And did.

[Manny MUA]

He was just having a day, and.

[Laura Lee]

He literally was like, you think you're gonna get paid doing this? I'm diddy. I pay you shit.

[Manny MUA]

You're lucky to do this with me. Yeah.

[Laura Lee]

So it's basically. And then. So then, not only is that situation happening where he's like, you ain't getting shit from me. Like, you're lucky to even be doing this. So he's using this power. So then now he starts sexually harassing Lil Rod and is trying to basically just like. Like, assert his dominance. Would, like, grab him on the ass, would slap him and just do these, like, weird things. And I think just kind of really with Little Rod to make it be like, you're my little. And I think that's kind of the whole point.

[Manny MUA]

And Diddy has all the money and power in the world, and he's literally like, I'm just saying, I'm not paying you. After Rod did all this work for him and produce his album or whatever, he's like, you're not getting paid, and there's nothing you can do about that.

[Laura Lee]

And it's really sad because Little Rod's the one that's talking about this story. And, yeah, he's emotional, and he's, like, devastated. And. And even the producers, like, I know this is really, really hard to talk about. And he's like. It really is. Like, this is very tough for him because he literally has been getting essentially sexually assaulted as well as getting absolutely abused and used for his work. And what he's doing and Diddy, again, is just. It's so lazzie. It's nothing to him. He literally doesn't. He. Or maybe he does know that he's literally, like, with these people so intensely that it's giving them these, like, just. I don't even know. He's giving them these. These situations that they have to deal with.

[Manny MUA]

And then it goes on to talk about Danity Kane, which was the girl group where it was, like, making the band. It was a TV show he got.

[Laura Lee]

It was like, Diddy doing it.

[Manny MUA]

Diddy, like, pick the. Because, again, his, like, talent was finding artists. And so basically, he's creating a girl group, creating the band. And you have Aubrey O'Day.

[Laura Lee]

It was publicly talked against it.

[Manny MUA]

Oh, yes. And basically, what it came down to with Aubrey O'Day and Diddy, she's not in the documentary, but another member of Danity Kane is in it. And she tells her story with Diddy, which is horrible. And then she tells Aubrey's story because Aubry was, like, her best friend during this time, and basically he wanted Aubry in the band and was interested in her, and it made advances towards her and sending her crazy photos of him naked. And Aubrey had kind of rejected them. And once Aubrey had made it into the band, he was like, okay, well, you made it, so you have to basically have X.

[Laura Lee]

It's like, it's time.

[Manny MUA]

It's time.

[Laura Lee]

It's like, he's like, you made it. So, like. So, like, we have lucky you.

[Manny MUA]

Yeah, you get to, like. You get to have with Me and Aubry refused. She's like, huh? And he said, well, you're out.

[Laura Lee]

You're out of the band. So. And then what's crazy too is that the. The woman that's talking about the situation, talking about Aubrey, she has videos and has like all these things of Diddy basically like absolutely shredding her. She's like trying on clothes and he's like, let me see. Like, did you gain weight? Like you're looking a little thicker.

[Manny MUA]

He's like, one more burger. You are one more burger. Like the way he talks to them is crazy.

[Laura Lee]

It's insane. And like she literally, like there's video proof of it. Like they're almost like recording of the. Like this essentially FaceTime or Zoom that they're on. And he's basically being like. And she's like, girl. He. She was saying like, well, you know, like I'm never gonna be one of those tiny skinny girls. And he's like, not too much now, not too much. And so she ends up getting kicked.

[Manny MUA]

Out too, out of the band. And then so it's just again, it's like all these people stepping in to interview and tell their stories, you know, there's so much more that happened and there's just.

[Laura Lee]

There's.

[Manny MUA]

These are just people who step forward to be a part of the documentary. But the. The episode three ends with another girlfriend named Cat Lot. She had met him, which I'm low key at this point. I'm like, anyone that's dating him, it's like, girl. But she did specifically say, like when you meet him, he's so good. In the beginning, he. He's really good at what he does. He makes you feel like you're on top of the world.

[Laura Lee]

You're the only person in the world.

[Manny MUA]

Yeah. He makes you believe he's the best person ever. He treats you like gold. He treats you like no one's ever treated you. He lifts you up. She even played voice notes of him like, like the way how sweet he talked to her. And he said one time they had a disagreement and he put his hand around her throat. But he didn't choke her. But he put his hand around the throat and she was like, you're playing right now. And he was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. He played it all. So eventually they split. Cuz she's like, I'm not putting up with you. Like his crazy started to seep out.

[Laura Lee]

It show, it's showing.

[Manny MUA]

So the Cat girlfriend, she leaves, she's out, she's done. So she breaks up with Him. They didn't date for very long. It wasn't like a Cassie situation where they were together for a long, long. So then he's, like, having a party.

[Laura Lee]

Was it like. Yeah, like a gathering.

[Manny MUA]

Like a gathering or something? Like an event. And he's like, calm, calm. And she comes, which I'm kind of like, girl, why? Why?

[Laura Lee]

Maybe. Maybe they ended, like. Maybe they ended amicably. And, like, it was like they.

[Manny MUA]

Crazy was showing. So in my opinion, I was like.

[Laura Lee]

So it didn't get to the part where it was too crazy.

[Manny MUA]

It wasn't too crazy. But at the same time, I'm like, girl, he showed you his colors. Like, believe him, the flags were maroon.

[Laura Lee]

They were past red. We were out of burgundy.

[Manny MUA]

So she goes, and he's on drugs that night and drinking. She said, really bad. All, by the way, throughout all of this. Like, everybody testifies in the documentary that he's a user of.

[Laura Lee]

Of many things.

[Manny MUA]

Of many.

[Laura Lee]

Many of any. Everything, really, just to be like, you know, he's also just not in the. His right mind, really.

[Manny MUA]

And then she basically says that she was in her room that night and he came in there, and then she just breaks down and she says she doesn't want to say what happened, and then it kind of ends there in a way. And then she's. Yeah, so. And then he turned to a monster. So. And that is episode three on the documentary. That's, like, kind of where it ends. But it just really seems that no one crosses paths with him and has a good experience.

[Laura Lee]

No, it's actually, like, all horrific, really. It's like. Like, the whole beginning of the documentary is kind of just painting the picture of, like, you know, he's become this powerful person that cannot be stopped. That's like, what the documentary is kind of, like, alluding to. Like, this is the whole point of being like, this is how he got to this spot, why he is the way he is, in a way, and, like, what he's gotten away with to get him to where he's at. The reason he's a monster is because he's become a monster because he's not been held accountable by anything. He's like, oh, look at what I got away with. I got away with that and that and that and that and that. That. So he's gonna just take things farther and farther and farther because he's literally sick. And it's in the head.

[Manny MUA]

He is.

[Laura Lee]

So it's like, it's become this. You know, the documentary is just kind of showing of, like, what these people and their experiences. And honestly, I recommend highly to watch it yourself so you guys can see and see what they're going through and how they talk about it. And you can really be more empathetic with their stories because we're just reiterating what they have already said and how just traumatizing that was for them to deal with. With him in their life. And so again, we're only like halfway through the documentary, so we're gonna do.

[Manny MUA]

There's. There's actually technically only 1 1/2 episodes left because the last episode is only 20 minutes.

[Laura Lee]

But we got it.

[Manny MUA]

So there's like the fourth episode's a full episode and there's a little snippet half episode left.

[Laura Lee]

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[Manny MUA]

I mean, unless you're triggered by this stuff. I would say watch it. But also it's kind of nice watching it. Knowing that he's locked away 100 and that he can't, no matter what, can't.

[Laura Lee]

Escape and run away.

[Manny MUA]

Yep. And his lawyer has dropped him. I think he's gonna sit in there for the rest of his life. But compared to how things have looked in the past, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn.

[Laura Lee]

I think people are on time now, though, in a way.

[Manny MUA]

I know.

[Laura Lee]

I feel like these four people weren't gone.

[Manny MUA]

Like it's so far.

[Laura Lee]

So far. And now like all these things are being drudged back up from. To the surface. Also, the video with Cassie was horrible.

[Manny MUA]

Girl. That went nothing compared to what they went to the public site that, like, we saw that in our reaction and no good. And damn well based off the interviews people said in the documentary. We've seen nothing.

[Laura Lee]

No. Right.

[Manny MUA]

Like we have way worse. And our jaws are on the floor for the snippet that we saw of Cassie running for her life with no shoes on. He runs out. You could tell he was like getting in a shower or something. And she was trying to make a run for it and she didn't make it.

[Laura Lee]

Denied it. Denied it tonight. And then footage comes out.

[Manny MUA]

Girl.

[Laura Lee]

And it's like.

[Manny MUA]

And then he tried to make that video on Instagram talking about he wasn't himself.

[Laura Lee]

Girl. Be so for real. You've been this. This whole time.

[Manny MUA]

I was just like you've been this, actually this whole time that you have. There are no words to forgive you for this. So it's like, why are you even trying to talk right now?

[Laura Lee]

Like, it makes no sense.

[Manny MUA]

It's like Casey Anthony coming on. Tick tock. Like, girl, it's done.

[Laura Lee]

Bye.

[Manny MUA]

It's done.

[Laura Lee]

The public, it'll always be so. I think that because the perception is what it is now with the public, people are a lot more aware. People want him to be held accountable. I think that's a different thing. Whereas, like someone that was really loved in the industry and loved by the public back in the day, whereas this is like, oh, this is like really sick and twisted and all these things leading up to it. It's kind of like, oh, this is how just who you are. It wasn't a one off with Cassie down the, down the hall. This is like what you do. This is your M.O.

[Manny MUA]

Since the jump.

[Laura Lee]

Since the.

[Manny MUA]

Because we're talking before college, I'm sure.

[Laura Lee]

Oh, girl, I'm sure it was before college. I'm sure he just said if you.

[Manny MUA]

Were doing that with a belt in college, that was just the first glimpse of someone willing to tell what they saw.

[Laura Lee]

Exactly, exactly. So, yeah, it's. It's honestly really crazy. It's quite intense and I found it so, like eye opening to watch it and because I didn't know a lot of these things, obviously anyone that's willing.

[Manny MUA]

To represent him in a court of law is just as bad as him, in my opinion. If you're willing to help him in any way get out of any of this, whenever he's been able for 30 years to get away with all this and you're going to contribute to that, you're just as bad as he is because he is like, he needs to be put away. True, true. I mean, the rap industry has literally been victimized by him since the day he's been in it. And that's over 30 years. Like the rap industry is like set free with him in jail. You know what I mean? Like, protect the industry, protect the people.

[Laura Lee]

Yes. No, they protect the people. Like, this is crazy. And I'm so glad that it's blown up the way it has because me too, people are actually becoming more aware of who he is and what he's been. Look at these documentaries coming out, people. I think that's just something that needs to be talked about and shared so that people know the kind of people you're supporting and the kind of people that are out there, these celebrities that it's like, it's really just a facade that is absolutely false. And trying to be like, oh, I'm just like this, like, you know, getting a lifetime achievement.

[Manny MUA]

That's crazy.

[Laura Lee]

You know, last time achievement.

[Manny MUA]

When they said that in the documentary, I was like, oh, what? After what we do know publicly, after what we all just went through and how his image and, like, shooting and like a lifetime achievement. Excuse me.

[Laura Lee]

It's because he's so good at making it seem like that was just like I was out of my mind. Like, that wasn't even me.

[Manny MUA]

That's what he tried to do again when he got caught up with a Cassie video. And it did not work. Honey.

[Laura Lee]

No. Because now it's like, maybe you have too many strikes again. And also a video like that.

[Manny MUA]

The video.

[Laura Lee]

Crazy.

[Manny MUA]

So, like, we didn't see the shooting in the club, right?

[Laura Lee]

No.

[Manny MUA]

You know what I mean. See the basketball stampede. We saw the aftermath. We saw people hurt. We didn't see it. We saw a tiny. And it was you doing it of what?

[Laura Lee]

Yeah, like, we saw you physically putting your hands on.

[Manny MUA]

We saw action that make.

[Laura Lee]

I truly think that makes a huge difference. And people actually take it a lot more serious. And it's not just hearsay. You're seeing something happen, and it's like, wow, you're a beast.

[Manny MUA]

Nuts. So we. We will report back with our next episode, but let us know your thoughts. Let us know if you watch the documentary and what you know from it. We'd love to create conversation around it. And definitely they're exposed for there to be no more ditties in the world just.

[Laura Lee]

Just to talk about it. Because that's something that. Especially with all these people that deal with these stories and, like, they have these horrific stories. Like, they deserve to be able to tell their story and it be shared and talked about. Yeah, absolutely. So definitely worth checking out the documentary, you guys. But yeah, that was. We just want to do a little deep, like, essentially like a little deep dive. The opposite of rapid fires. We're actually, like, doing a dive on something specifically.

[Manny MUA]

So we'll see you the next episode.

[Laura Lee]

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