Trisha and Oscar EXPOSES BFF podcast

Summary

Fool Coverage with Manny MUA & Laura Lee

Episode: "Trisha and Oscar EXPOSES BFF podcast"
Date: August 22, 2025
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Episode Overview

This episode is a classic "rapid fire" installment of Fool Coverage, where beauty industry OGs and influencer besties Manny MUA and Laura Lee dissect influencer drama, share business and personal highs and lows, and spill hot gossip from every corner of the social media landscape. Today, they deep-dive into the viral drama surrounding the BFFs Podcast’s Adam Sandler interview, a spat involving beauty creators at events, influencer misunderstandings online, and some sharp commentary on parasocial relationships from the audience. There’s a blend of reflective moments, unfiltered reactions, and memorable advice about boundaries, self-care, and surviving the pressures of the digital spotlight.

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Peak & Pit: Business Launches & Hawaiian Spider Bites

[02:22–16:59]

Peaks

• Manny’s New Product Launch

  • Manny is giddy about the release of the new Lunar Beauty Outer Dimension bronzing and sculpting sticks and matching dual-ended brush.
  • "They're 25 bucks, which is a really great price for 12 grams of product… most [bronzers] are 8 grams and we have 12." – Manny [03:02]
  • Product range covers extremely fair to very deep complexions.
  • Laura praises the packaging and says she’ll review them soon.

• Laura’s Maui Adventure

  • Laura recaps a recent trip to Maui, Hawaii with her husband Ty, filled with wild hikes, horseback riding, and wildlife encounters (including a sea turtle).
  • Details of an arduous early-morning hike recommended by a local, tough terrain, and the need to avoid crowded parking.
  • "The perfect vacation is doing wild activities. I get so bored sitting on a beach chair, drinking. That is so boring." – Laura [06:15]
  • Hilarious retelling of horseback antics, animal attitudes, and the wildness of native Hawaiian horses.

Pits

• Spider Bite Saga

  • Laura details a traumatic experience with multiple spider bites during her Maui stay, which resulted in swollen lymph nodes and a health scare.
  • “Every time I see a spider in my house, I save it…Guess what’s happening now…Smash. I'm smashing every one of them.” — Laura [15:13]
  • Discussion about the danger of exotic spider bites, debunking myths around black widows and brown recluses.

• Manny’s Social Media Pit

  • Manny’s viral TikTok promoting his bronzers was misinterpreted by viewers as a foundation/concealer launch, resulting in a deluge of criticism over inclusivity—despite the video clearly explaining it was a bronzer.
  • “Why would I create a white bronzer? Hahaha.” — Manny [21:11]
  • Dealing with hater comments and reflecting on the lack of logic online:
  • “There’s no logic online. We say that every time, Manny. Every time. There’s no logic behind it.” — Laura [23:48]

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Main Topics & Hot Takes

1. Oscar & Trisha vs. BFFs Podcast Drama

[24:41–29:45]

• Context: Oscar (Trisha Paytas’ podcast co-host and entertainment journalist) questions, on IG Live, why BFFs (Barstool Sports) got the Adam Sandler interview, expressing skepticism about their fit for such a guest.
• The BFFs crew (notably Brianna Chickenfry) clap back on their own show, leading to tit-for-tat shade.
• Manny critiques Brianna for implying Oscar had a crush on co-host Josh, calling out the “gays-want-straight-men” trope:
  • “There’s this undertone of like, all gay men want straight people… it’s a really annoying thing.” — Manny [26:13]
• Oscar and Trisha roast the BFFs podcast’s interview skills and relevance, all while dressed in exaggerated costumes:
  • “He shredded them to filth… my favorite thing about this episode, they’re dressed as weapons.” — Manny [27:23]
• Trisha recalls a past incident where Barstool staffers watched and roasted her OnlyFans content on camera, a moment she describes as traumatic.
  • "That's really nasty." — Laura [28:25]
• Manny and Laura agree the exchange is more popcorn drama than substantive beef, but lament how petty influencer feuds can spiral from minor offhanded remarks.

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2. Standing Up to Parasocial Critics: The Michaela Nogueira TikTok Defense

[29:45–37:16]

• Discussion centers on Michaela Nogueira fiercely responding online to critics speculating about her relationship with husband Cody (a recovering addict) after social media users observed alcohol at a housewarming.
• Laura and Manny praise Michaela for defending herself with “facts and logic,” standing up against TikTok drama-mongers:
  • “There comes a point where you do need to stand up for yourself… good for you.” — Laura [31:20]
• The duo reflect on the reality gap between short-form social content and the complexity of influencer private lives.
  • “People assume they know everything about you, but they don’t know anything.” — Laura [35:00]
  • “Just have some common sense… be active thinkers.” — Manny [35:53]
• Strong message: viewers see mere “crumbs” of reality and need to remember influencers are more than their 60-second clips.

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3. Influencer Event Etiquette: The Jesse Smiles & KathleenLights Podcast Story

[38:01–46:55]

• Manny addresses a recent viral TikTok where creator Jesse Smiles accuses him (and Jeffree Star) of snubbing her at a massive Benefit Cosmetics Vegas trip nearly a decade ago.
• Manny does not recall the event that way but sincerely apologizes for any hurt:
  • “[I] would always own it and apologize for how someone feels… But it just sucks that was her impression.” — Manny [40:04]
• Conversation shifts to the pressures of being approachable as a top-tier creator.
• Manny and Laura draw a boundary between work interactions at events (quick greetings, photos, not deep conversations) and personal friendships.
  • “I’m not going to give that to you at events. I don’t think I’ll ever be that girl.” — Manny [43:39]
  • "Our energy is a luxury. Not everyone can afford that luxury." — Laura [45:23] (paraphrasing a Taylor Swift quote)
• Candid talk about burnout and enforcing energetic boundaries:
  • "I started creating this... energy shield around me...You're keeping your cup full." — Manny [45:05]

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4. Love Island Drama: Dallas vs. Nick

[48:19–52:36]

• Recap of spat between Dallas (a glam, femme-presenting beauty boy) and Nick (Love Island) at a Rare Beauty launch event, where Nick repeatedly called Dallas “James” (alluding to James Charles).
• Dallas aired the incident on TikTok, feeling it was targeted; Nick’s intent unclear.
• Both Laura and Manny sympathize with Dallas and dissect how femme men face microaggressions from straight men at these events:
  • "A femme boy who is fully glam...is going to get a little bit weirder of looks...from straight men." — Manny [49:19]
  • "Even if it wasn't a gay guy, if another dark-haired girl...and they kept telling me that...that's disrespectful." — Laura [51:08]
• Manny relates to being mislabeled (“Patrick Star, is that you?”), highlighting how ignorance can cross into hurtful territory.

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Notable Quotes & Highlights

• “Why would I create a white bronzer? Hahaha.” — Manny [21:11], responding to critics who misunderstood his bronzer launch for a foundation range.
• "There's no logic online." — Laura [23:48], as the hosts commiserate about social media mob mentalities.
• “Energy is a luxury. Not everyone can afford that luxury.” — Laura [45:23] (summarizing Taylor Swift)
• “Our job is our job, but it's not our whole life anymore.” – Manny [47:38], reflecting on boundaries and self-preservation.
• "Just have some common sense. That's all I beg and ask for with people online." — Manny [35:53]

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Key Timestamps

• 02:22 — Manny’s Lunar Beauty bronzer launch recap
• 04:33 — Laura’s Hawaii adventure: hiking, horseback riding, and close wildlife encounters
• 07:39–09:24 — Surviving spider bites and island health scares
• 19:32 — Manny’s viral TikTok misunderstood, gets backlash
• 24:41 — Barstool's BFFs podcast drama with Oscar & Trisha
• 31:20 — Michaela Nogueira stands up to TikTok trolls
• 38:01 — Jesse Smiles' event story and how creators navigate social boundaries
• 45:05 — On energy management and setting professional limits
• 48:19 — Love Island’s Dallas vs. Nick: misnaming microaggressions and beauty industry inclusivity

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Episode Tone & Final Thoughts

Friendly, unfiltered, and self-aware, the episode brims with quotable clapbacks and thoughtful observations about influencer culture, reputation, and protecting one's peace. Manny and Laura’s camaraderie allows them to toggle between self-reflection and comic storytelling with ease, making their analysis insightful for influencers and casual listeners alike.

No fools left uncovered—and lots of reminders that sometimes, you just need to watch the video before you judge.

Transcript

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[Manny MUA]

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[Laura Lee]

I get so bored.

[Manny MUA]

What is actually going on? Why is everyone like shredding me in the comments?

[Laura Lee]

I love going to places like Hawaii. There's so much you can do.

[Manny MUA]

I'm going to ride sideways on you like spirit. You don't have to just like follow the crowd. Like be active with thinking.

[Laura Lee]

Welcome to your favorite podcast. It's full coverage with your host, Laura.

[Manny MUA]

Lee and Manny Muay.

[Laura Lee]

Hi.

[Manny MUA]

How are you guys doing? It feels like we haven't filmed in so long, but it literally was two weeks ago.

[Laura Lee]

I literally blinked and I'm back here. I love you. You had an illustrious week off, if you will. Illustrious week off. But we are here today to bring you with another full rapid fire.

[Manny MUA]

A lot of things happening. And the influencer world, by the way, it's all influenced. The girlies are battling and I'm ready for war.

[Laura Lee]

We have so many topics for you guys today, but first, of course we're going to start with our peaks and pits yes.

[Manny MUA]

Peaks and pits first. Should I start?

[Laura Lee]

You start. You start.

[Manny MUA]

So my peak is that I have a launch this week and I'm so excited. It's actually launched now. We have our bronzing outer dimension sticks for Lunar Beauty and we came out with seven bronzing and sculpting sticks. And I'm just honestly so excited that by the time you guys are watching this, they're live. We actually dropped this Wednesday that just passed and I'm so excited, honestly. They're 25 bucks, which is like a really great price for 12 grams of product. I like didn't even realize how crazy it was when I started looking at other bronzers I had. And they're like the average is like 8 grams and we have 12 for the prices.

[Laura Lee]

The packaging is so gorgeous. Thank you.

[Manny MUA]

The packaging, it does look chic.

[Laura Lee]

Very on brand for you guys, but also something that elevated, really seen before. So I feel like you guys did really great job.

[Manny MUA]

And it's our first like ever take on bronzing, sculpting and cream, like base products. Yeah, like I just, I just have the liquid blushes and then this was like our like, you know, play on being able to do more and it's like funny cuz I feel like we're getting closer and closer to like a full face of Lunar Beauty in a way. Cuz it's like now that we have these, we have so like we have seven shades. It goes like literally from like the fairest. Like you can be albino and wear the lightest shade and then the deepest of deep dark. So it's like I'm super excited that they're launching and they're officially live, so. So I'm like, yeah, praise, praise, praise. So you guys definitely check them out. They're fire. I'm gonna leave them linked down below. You use code Laura Lee.

[Laura Lee]

Oh yeah, you can use some code.

[Manny MUA]

Lorelee and save some coin on it. And we also have a brush launching as well. And the brush is freaking sickening. It's like a thick cat bra, cat pop brush at the top and then a nose contour brush at the bottom, which is very unique bronze. Any spot that you want like on the face, whether it's the eyes, whether you want to use it for concealer and foundation. You can use it kind of for anything.

[Laura Lee]

That's incredible. I love a good cream brush.

[Manny MUA]

Thank you.

[Laura Lee]

Yes. I'm exc. They just dropped off my shades at my house. I will be posting those asap. I'm so excited for you.

[Manny MUA]

Thank You.

[Laura Lee]

My peak, I think I put down is just in general. Me and Ty did like a quick little hiatus off to Maui, Hawaii, and we had a really great time.

[Manny MUA]

It looks stunning. I've never been a Maui before.

[Laura Lee]

That was my first time in Maui. You know, we went because so many people. Because I'm. We've been quite a few times to different islands and we've always had a great time, but so many people were like, oh, Maui has like so much. You got to go to Maui. Like, it's like built up a little more. So we're like, we're down. We want to hit all the islands. So. Yeah, okay. By the way, Hawaii is a pretty quick trip for Californians because we're like the closest to the island Y so that's like our quick little paradise. But anyways, I had a great time. I'm just trying to make sure. I always write down my peaks and pits.

[Manny MUA]

Guys, I do the same. I do the same freaking thing.

[Laura Lee]

And my travel vlog is up. So if you want to get an inside look at our actual trip, go to my vlog channel Laura vlogs. Check out the vlog. I did my best.

[Manny MUA]

It was great.

[Laura Lee]

What did you think?

[Manny MUA]

I thought was so cute. I watched it. I literally. Cuz, like there was one day that Laura went off the grid and I freaked. He did out, you guys. I literally was getting so freaking worried because like she was responding to anything I was doing and I was literally like, oh my God. Cuz I knew that they were in Hawaii and I knew that they were in Hawaii. And the thing is, like, I hadn't seen like anything. So I was like, are we good? And thing is also what I also realized too is that because in California we're three hours ahead. So for me it's nighttime and I'm.

[Laura Lee]

Literally like, they're gone.

[Manny MUA]

They're goners. I was like, do I need to call FBI? Do I call swat? Like, what do I do? And so finally she was like, oh, yeah. We had no service.

[Laura Lee]

No.

[Manny MUA]

I was like, oh, okay.

[Laura Lee]

We were in the middle of a jungle.

[Manny MUA]

I literally was like, I'm gonna watch what they were doing because there was no service here. So I was like, I know, it was amazing. It was so cool. And like when you guys are swimming with turtles and you know, like the horseback. Right? All that stuff. I was like, oh, this makes sense. Like, you're literally in the wilderness.

[Laura Lee]

I want to Hawaii. Like, for me, like the perfect vacation is doing like wild activities. Like, I get so, so bored sitting on A beach chair, drinking for sure. That is so boring. Like, yes, we can do that.

[Manny MUA]

At least one day.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah.

[Manny MUA]

Yeah.

[Laura Lee]

Like one day for sure. Like have a day, Enjoy, relax. But after that I get so bored and crazy and I want to go home, to be honest with you. So I love going to places like Hawaii because there's so much you can do. And I. My main thing I wanted to do on this list was go on a hike. So the first morning at the breakfast, the waiter came up and his energy was giving that he would know a good hike.

[Manny MUA]

Yes.

[Laura Lee]

Like this man, the way he talked to me. He was also a native Hawaiian who had lived there. And I'm like, hey, where's the best hike for me to do?

[Manny MUA]

Yeah.

[Laura Lee]

And he was like, I got a doozy for you. He's like, it's an hour away though. And I was like, I'll do it. I'll do it. I was like, I'm going to wake up like at 6am and do it. And he was like, you can also take this sick ass like locals road. But he was like, you seriously had to get up at 6am because it's a one street road. Meaning like you're not going to know what to do if you see it.

[Manny MUA]

Got it.

[Laura Lee]

Because you're like on the side of a cliff and it is just like one rigid road the whole way there.

[Manny MUA]

I see.

[Laura Lee]

And so he was like, if you wake up that early, no one will be on the road. So we did it. And it was the coolest.

[Manny MUA]

Was insane dry.

[Laura Lee]

We've ever seen wild animals everywhere.

[Manny MUA]

Like no, I think I saw a goat in the video.

[Laura Lee]

So crazy. Yeah. And we didn't see one car. He was right.

[Manny MUA]

Wow.

[Laura Lee]

And he.

[Manny MUA]

That was the one that you guys were like dripping sweat on.

[Laura Lee]

Oh, was that like a crazy one? Also he said that if the parking lot. He said, so it's a very small parking lot for this hike. So he said, if you get there after 7am you're doomed. You have to park in the lower parking lot which is a mile from the hike. Oh. We said, I get.

[Manny MUA]

We're gonna be there an extra mile.

[Laura Lee]

On top of the H. Yes. So he said, you want to get there at least by 7am and he was right. There was like three parking spots left when we got there. We were like, praise be. But this hike was a mother, dude.

[Manny MUA]

You guys were like, dread.

[Laura Lee]

It was two miles vertically, straight up. There was never a point in the two miles where it leveled out the flat land.

[Manny MUA]

No.

[Laura Lee]

Like your legs are you're climbing like.

[Manny MUA]

You'Re climbing for two miles.

[Laura Lee]

I thought my heart was going to bust out of my chest.

[Manny MUA]

It's also like Hawaii like temperature. It's like pretty humid and like. Oh yeah, like hot as hell out there.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah, we were wet.

[Manny MUA]

Like you're literally like wet.

[Laura Lee]

Also I had like these spider bites all over my body because a spider, a venomous spider decides to bite the out of my hip. It's my right hip. It bit me twice in the right hip. And it got really, really nasty, you guys.

[Manny MUA]

I was God. Because we had thought they were mosquito bites at first.

[Laura Lee]

I did. I even sent mini a pick on these.

[Manny MUA]

I was like, I was like, oh my God.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah, mosquito got me too.

[Manny MUA]

Yeah. I was like, how much you hate them?

[Laura Lee]

And then it kept getting worse and worse and as it progressed like the venom where it bit me, we can see like two scabs. And I was like, oh hell, this spider bite. So then my lymph node was huge in my pelvic area and I googled, actually Google made me feel better for once and said if you have a venomous bite or a bad injury near that lymph node it will swell up and it's trying to take out the bacteria and venom. And I was like, damn, it's doing its job. But the whole time on the hike I was like, I'm pretty sure I should be seeking some form of medical help. But like this is 6am hike.

[Manny MUA]

I gotta like what, are you gonna.

[Laura Lee]

Do this or not? So did the hike, I was actually fine. And then we came down the mountain which was way easier than going up. And then we saw this beach on our way back to the hotel. Cuz we just had to change for horseback riding, which I didn't change because guess what? We decided to jump in the ocean and swim with a sea turtle. We saw a sea turtle in the ocean on a wild beach. It was just me and Ty on this random beach we found and we were just swimming with a sea turtle. Got out, went straight to horseback riding. It was like an eight hour day.

[Manny MUA]

You almost like showered in the ocean.

[Laura Lee]

I did. We took a shower in the ocean.

[Manny MUA]

That was the day where I was.

[Laura Lee]

Literally like it was the best day of my life. And Manny was freaking out.

[Manny MUA]

I was freaking out.

[Laura Lee]

But it was the best day of my life because I had no cell service and I didn't give a fuck about anything. And I was just like in nature, like real unplug.

[Manny MUA]

Like real.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah, it was nice. I was.

[Manny MUA]

I mean it looked beautiful. I Was like, I was gagged. You guys have to watch the vlog. It's like, beautiful. Hawaii is beautiful. If you have, like the. The privilege and to go, you should definitely try to. Because it is like such a stunning, stunning, stunning place. And every island has, like a different to it. Like, they're all different. And I've been to a couple of them. I've never been to Maui, but I've been to a few.

[Laura Lee]

So our horseback riding lady, she was a native to Hon.

[Manny MUA]

Did it take off like it did on me?

[Laura Lee]

It did, but I loved it.

[Manny MUA]

It, like, took off like, hella yeah.

[Laura Lee]

She said, my horse likes to do this thing where he pulls over and pretends he's trying to eat a little or graze, but he's not. She said, he wants to trot. So what he does is he. Yo, yos. He lets the other horses get a gap so he can take off running.

[Manny MUA]

So he's like, oh, thank God there's some distance between us.

[Laura Lee]

And then you'll even kick him to go or give him a little. You can even with my horse, you can even just tighten your calves on him a little bit. And he knows to go.

[Manny MUA]

Got it.

[Laura Lee]

No, he was like, I'm not going to go. I'm like, what are you doing? Because I was like, you're not eating. He was stuck his head down in the grass, but he was not actively eating.

[Manny MUA]

He was like.

[Laura Lee]

So I was like, what are you about to do? She warned me beforehand. She said, this is it will happen, Tango. And he likes to try to, like, take off.

[Manny MUA]

Got it.

[Laura Lee]

So. So what he's going to do.

[Manny MUA]

I love that.

[Laura Lee]

She like, she was like, you've ridden a horse for someone to give you this bad one. I was like, give me the bad boy. Yes, love the bad boy. And he took the fuck off. And I was like this. And she goes, pull back, pull back. And I pulled him back. And she was like, you're laughing the whole time. Yeah, I was. I had the best time ever. I love that he took off. That was like the fun of horse riding. And she goes, you handled that way too well.

[Manny MUA]

Yeah, you're like. I was like, you have a horse.

[Laura Lee]

I was like, this.

[Manny MUA]

Do it again in his ear. So we're gonna go. We're gonna take the fuck off. I'm gonna ride sideways on you. Like, fucking spirit.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah. So he was so funny.

[Manny MUA]

That is hilarious. He did it twice to me. But honestly, like, the fact that, like, you were tech. Like, you were prepared for it, like, so it's like, it wasn't like, it was like, out of complete nowhere.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah.

[Manny MUA]

It was nice. And you, like, it's so funny. I saw your stories and you were like, horses are kind of like cats. And I was like, oh, my God. Why is that so true? It, like, really feels like that. Like, they are. Because you can, like, you can like, they kind of. They want to with you, but they're.

[Laura Lee]

Kind of like, that is. And they're very intuitive, too. And like. Like, if a horse picks if it likes you, like, they're doing cat, like, in that way. And they're very smart. They're stubborn sometimes, you know, they have little attitudes. They're not like dogs, where dogs kind of always. Oh, so happy a new person or towel wagon. Horses aren't like that. They're very cat like.

[Manny MUA]

Yes. They're kind of like, I feel like I just want to get attitude. That's why they like you. Yes. And they're like, they sense the cat leading you.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah. I will say, when it took off, like, it completely was, like, knocking me, like, off the horse.

[Manny MUA]

Like, you almost. Almost A gallop. Yes.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah. Like, it was a gallop. I will say. And what that did for me is I go, holy shit. Like, imagine the people that ride horses full, like, like 90 miles an hour. Like, gas. Like, go, go. Like, how do you even do that? That animal is so powerful. It's like, how do you even stay on that? I want to do that one day. One day I will ride a horse.

[Manny MUA]

Like, at, like, full, like, and pretend.

[Laura Lee]

I'm like somebody who rides a horse. I don't even know.

[Manny MUA]

I don't even know, like, who rides horses like that. Cowboys.

[Laura Lee]

Cowgirls.

[Manny MUA]

Cowgirls. There you go, there you go, There you go.

[Laura Lee]

I'm gonna be a cow girl. I just want to ride a horse. But, like, even the g. Like, they're so powerful.

[Manny MUA]

They're intense.

[Laura Lee]

They're.

[Manny MUA]

They're huge ass animals. They weigh so much.

[Laura Lee]

So I guess I bet they get up on their straps and stand up while.

[Manny MUA]

It's honestly probably what it is because it's kind of like, painful.

[Laura Lee]

Literally rock your world.

[Manny MUA]

Yeah. And like, honestly, it's funny, riding a horse, you're sore after, like, in ways you don't even think.

[Laura Lee]

So sore.

[Manny MUA]

You'll be sore.

[Laura Lee]

My ass was.

[Manny MUA]

Yes. My inner thighs. Because you're, like, locked. You're, like, locked in and you're clenched kind of for a long time.

[Laura Lee]

Those legs. Yeah. And then you have your legs in the saddle, so your knee, it takes beating on you.

[Manny MUA]

Yes. Your beat.

[Laura Lee]

They make it look easy in the movies.

[Manny MUA]

Oh, it's.

[Laura Lee]

They make it look easy in the movies.

[Manny MUA]

Not so simple.

[Laura Lee]

But, you know, other than the spider bites, it was like a fantastic.

[Manny MUA]

Yeah.

[Laura Lee]

Honestly, I really wish I didn't get bit by spiders. I'm calm about it now. I told Manny. I was like, oh, my God. And like, even the thought.

[Manny MUA]

Three bites by spiders.

[Laura Lee]

Do you understand how pissed off I was with this one?

[Manny MUA]

Oh, I know you were like, I.

[Laura Lee]

Was seething pissed because it bit me twice in the hip, got super nasty on me, Caused, like, a lot of pain in my lymph node. Like, caused all these problems. And so I go to bed the second night, and I don't get. We look for the spider everywhere, by the way. Like, she pillows, we pulled the bed back, we hunted. And it did say that often spiders hide really good. Like, they go into any creek or crack, you're not gonna find them.

[Manny MUA]

Got it.

[Laura Lee]

Didn't get bit the second night. So at this point, I'm like, I'm fine. Well, I'm fine. The third night, the bit me again in the arm. But I was going home.

[Manny MUA]

But it's so strange to me. I'm like, why the. Is it, like, for what?

[Laura Lee]

For what?

[Manny MUA]

You're not, like, smacking. You're not bothering it. You're just there.

[Laura Lee]

I'm trying to sleep, actually. It kept biting me in my sleep.

[Manny MUA]

How it just freaky. It's like the idea of a spider.

[Laura Lee]

Biting you in your sleep. And you know what? Every time I see a spider in my house, I save it. I put it in a cup, I pick it up with a piece of paper, and I fling it outside. Guess what's happening now? When I see your ass in my house. Smash. Smash. I'm smashing every one of them. You're not doing this. You're not biting my ass again. I'm killing them.

[Manny MUA]

And you.

[Laura Lee]

And you.

[Manny MUA]

And you know, like, spiders in Hawaii.

[Laura Lee]

Oh, yes.

[Manny MUA]

You just know. There's, like. You guys just know there's creatures out there.

[Laura Lee]

So pissed off at spiders right now. I've never been this mad at a spider, but it caused me all these problems. I'm like, not a.

[Manny MUA]

But also, like, even the one on your arm, like, it's obviously got a lot better. Thank God.

[Laura Lee]

So much better.

[Manny MUA]

But, like, you can see, like, the patch of, like, where the venom goes to. It's insane.

[Laura Lee]

The living out of me.

[Manny MUA]

It's insane.

[Laura Lee]

Insane.

[Manny MUA]

I feel like I probably have been bit by spider in the past, but I don't work I have.

[Laura Lee]

I got bit in the back once and it was at your house for a while. Yep. Remember I went to a doctor way gave me antibiotics. He said looks like my hip could have been infected.

[Manny MUA]

What's crazy to me is that there's two little holes for fangs and the one in your hip, the, the. The. The thing is far apart you guys. The spider was not little two bites the bite the marks across are like a centimeter centimeter.

[Laura Lee]

So it was a big fucking spider.

[Manny MUA]

Like I wonder what kind of like creep.

[Laura Lee]

He said it wasn't a black widow or brown recluse.

[Manny MUA]

He said you would know you're like.

[Laura Lee]

You'D and also rates like it creates an ulcer and then the black widow hours.

[Manny MUA]

But what is it and what and what happens?

[Laura Lee]

Like you can have like heart problems but by the way I read a lot of myths but it's so so rare for a black widow to kill you. So they are killers but for babies and people, elderly people with pre existing conditions, healthy adult like the chances of a black widow actually like the bite. It's not like a snake bite where it's going to kill you.

[Manny MUA]

Right, Right.

[Laura Lee]

That's like a misconception actually which I learned that cuz I was googling all this.

[Manny MUA]

And same with brown. I heard those are like really deadly.

[Laura Lee]

No they're not deadly but they do. You do. The thing is you have to seek a with a brown wood CL because they cause an ulceration skin.

[Manny MUA]

So you do have to like their.

[Laura Lee]

Venom kills your skin.

[Manny MUA]

Got it.

[Laura Lee]

It's like acid but it's not going to kill you.

[Manny MUA]

Got it.

[Laura Lee]

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[Manny MUA]

Well, that's horrific.

[Laura Lee]

Horrific.

[Manny MUA]

And I literally hate that for you that you got bit by spiders all over your body. Yeah, you're like, I hate it. My pit. Is that okay? It's so funny. So I uploaded a video on my tick tock talking about the bronzers and I did a video where I swatch all seven across my cheek and the video like blow up, blew up. Don't know how it happened. Very lucky, very blessed that it did. But the comments, people thought I was coming out with foundation and concealer when I said bronzer and they were like shredding me for not having an inclusive enough range for foundation.

[Laura Lee]

The sheep. Gotcha.

[Manny MUA]

The sheep. The sheep.

[Laura Lee]

They don't pay attention to what's happening.

[Manny MUA]

They weren't paying attention. And literally like a lot of my comments were literally like, like, I just don't feel like that shade's light Enough and it will never fit me. And I'm like, it's the fairest bronzer I've ever seen in my entire life, by the way. I've never seen a fairer bronzer in my life than that one. And so I'm like, what are you talking about? And then literally I realized that everyone in the comments is talking about that. It's. They think it's foundation, and there's only seven foundations.

[Laura Lee]

And I'm like, God, honey, they were gearing up. They were like, we got one. We got them.

[Manny MUA]

Take them down.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah.

[Manny MUA]

And so I had a lot of people battling for me that are like, it's bronzer. Stop being dumb.

[Laura Lee]

Okay?

[Manny MUA]

And then there's like a lot of people that are like, this just would never work on my really alabaster skin. And I'm like, it's bronzer.

[Laura Lee]

So they thought it was concealer or foundation.

[Manny MUA]

Yes, yes. And I literally did not watch the video. I don't know. They didn't?

[Laura Lee]

No, they didn't. They went straight to the comments. They're like, it's like a sheep. So they saw one person saying it's. They don't pay attention, you know, because they didn't realize it was bronzer. Okay, well, that's just crazy.

[Manny MUA]

So I'm really like, what's the point? Why are you commenting if you haven't watched the video?

[Laura Lee]

I cannot, I can.

[Manny MUA]

I cannot help you. And it's so funny. There's this one, one comment that was literally like, I. It's just not light enough. I was like, I need one that's like paper white. And I. And I comment back and I go, why would I create a white bronzer? Hahaha. Like, I literally said that. I was like, that's crazy. And so they're like, oh, I was confused. I thought it was foundation. And I was like, oh, okay, that makes sense. But then of course, in the comments, it's like, wow, imagine talking to a customer like that.

[Laura Lee]

Like, here we talking about like a trap. Yeah.

[Manny MUA]

I was like this. I was like, so I mean, imagine you're getting like hundreds of thousands of comments about one thing that I'm like, okay, well at this, At a point, you're gonna get a little, like, you guys be so frail. You have to like, read and like, use some actual intuition in some way and pay attention a little bit, like crazy. So of course I'm gonna have a little bit of an.

[Laura Lee]

You got in trouble for your bronzer shades not being the right foundation slash concealer shades. Okay. Well, that's new for me. That's a new.

[Manny MUA]

Brand new. It's a new one for me. It's a new one. In these last, you know, six years of lunar that that has happened. And I like, what is actually fucking going on? Why is everyone, like, shredding me in the comments? They literally thought it was funny if you didn't, by the way, like, 10 times in that video.

[Laura Lee]

So it's like, if you didn't even watch the video, then what are you mad about? You might want it to be mad.

[Manny MUA]

No. So then they're like, imagine talking to customers like that. And I'm like, okay. It was literally like a fucking hook. And I caught it. And they're like, got him.

[Laura Lee]

We got him.

[Manny MUA]

Well, yeah, you guys should get it. Like, you guys are literally.

[Laura Lee]

He's an asshole to his customers. So we proved her.

[Manny MUA]

We're right.

[Laura Lee]

We're right.

[Manny MUA]

It was horrible all along. And I'm like, here we fucking go. So it was just, like, something that cracked me. I was like, I'm bringing this on podcast. It's ridiculous.

[Laura Lee]

This is a really great example why it's so, so, so important not to put your validation in other people. Because as you can see, there's no logic behind a lot of it. A lot of it. Now, I understand this is a different situation. You know, when brands are not inclusive.

[Manny MUA]

Totally.

[Laura Lee]

They, you know, don't come out with that. When people aren't even paying attention to what it is to get mad about, it's a different conversation. But also, this is proof of why it's so important. Like, if Manny hung on every word, you'd be in shambles over people who didn't even watch your video.

[Manny MUA]

Exactly. So it's really like. And so that's why I was, like, gonna bring it up, because I'm like, it's just so funny that, like, people. They, like, found something to hate on when it wasn't even correct. It was completely not correct. Yeah, they didn't watch the video. So this just kind of shows that social media people, like, will just say things to say things, not pay attention to whatever you're doing at all. They're just saying things to Sam. They just want to hear what they're having to say. And it's like, can we really use some discernment here? Like a morsel?

[Laura Lee]

No.

[Manny MUA]

Like, even a little bit.

[Laura Lee]

Not online.

[Manny MUA]

And they can't. A lot of people literally be like.

[Laura Lee]

Every time we go back, what do we say? There's no logic online. We say that every time Many. Every time. There's no logic behind it.

[Manny MUA]

Right?

[Laura Lee]

Yeah.

[Manny MUA]

I said in the video and it's in the description. So I'm literally like, there's no rhyme or reason. And you can't make him drink.

[Laura Lee]

You can't make them drink.

[Manny MUA]

You can't. And it's just funny. It's just one of those things where it's like people literally, the second my video started, they paused, it went to the comments. They saw one thing about foundation.

[Laura Lee]

They're like, wow, now I can get a hit coming.

[Manny MUA]

Dare you come out with foundations that are that little of shade that they.

[Laura Lee]

Don'T even care because they didn't even watch the video.

[Manny MUA]

Watch the video, babe. Pay attention, please.

[Laura Lee]

Well, so, yeah, they're bronzers, guys. They're bronzer. Bronzers. And they launched and they're not.

[Manny MUA]

Cool tone.

[Laura Lee]

They're already launched, actually. They're bronzers, not contour sticks. They're bronze. So they're warm. They're beautiful. They're creamy and delicious. Don't eat them. Okay, let's jump into our topic.

[Manny MUA]

Let's jump. Right. The fun.

[Laura Lee]

Should we talk about Oscar? Okay, wait. What is Brianna's Chicken Fries? What is that podcast called?

[Manny MUA]

I think I'll bff.

[Laura Lee]

That's the BFF podcast with Bar on Balls. Barstool is the network. Okay, so there's a little battle happening.

[Manny MUA]

A little bit of lore. A little battle.

[Laura Lee]

A little lore, A little battle happening. Oscar was on live.

[Manny MUA]

Oscar and Trisha, like, Trish, like her partner.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah, her podcast partner, Oscar. He's also a journalist, which Oscar did a lot of entertainment. A ton.

[Manny MUA]

No, for like 10 years.

[Laura Lee]

He. Oscar has a. He's been in the grind of interviewing and journalism degrees. Like, he. He has a big repertoire.

[Manny MUA]

Illustrious history of that.

[Laura Lee]

He does. So that is Trisha's podcast host partner. And he was on a live. And someone brought up. Oh, the BFS podcast had Adam Sandler on, which that's a huge crazy guess.

[Manny MUA]

Insane opportunity.

[Laura Lee]

Insane opportunity. And Oscar was just mentioning how he didn't think they were equipped or like.

[Manny MUA]

Why would they do it? It doesn't make sense.

[Laura Lee]

It didn't connect to him. He was just on his own personal life way. This was not on the podcast. And so they clapped back and that's.

[Manny MUA]

When was like, gotting more spooky. So like, they. So they literally. I. Which I thought was so fascinating, like, how they did it. Brianna was basically like, f you. Like, I used to love you. And then she did say this, like, random comment when, like, she was like, why are you guys obsessed with us? Like, does he have a crush on you or something? To Josh. And when I had heard that, Richard, I thought that was, like, a really weird thing to say, because there's this, like, really weird thing about. For gay people, for gay men, that there's this undertone of, like, all gay men want straight people.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah.

[Manny MUA]

And so when you say things like, does he have a crush on you? Or something, it kind of perpetuates that same narrative of like, oh, gays only want your straight guys, like, kind of thing. And it's a really annoying thing, actually, because at the end of the day, literally, like, not even girls want you. Like, you're like, we know. We don't give a fuck about you, but it perpets this really weird narrative of like, oh, these gays here, they are, like, trying to steal these men. So I don't like that she said that. And Oscar did bring that and be like, that was, like, really fudgeing.

[Laura Lee]

Weird Adam Sandler interview, not about Josh.

[Manny MUA]

Literally, like, oh, this doesn't feel like it would. It doesn't make sense.

[Laura Lee]

It was kind of like a tit for tat. It felt like it was like, oh, you're gonna say we shouldn't have gotten that interview?

[Manny MUA]

Well, yeah, that's essentially how it felt, like. And so they basically talked about, like, oh, well, you know, we're the only ones that were able to do at barstool. And the reason that we got it, basically, is because Josh got invited to, like, a bar mitzvah of one of Adam's daughters. So they have an obvious connection in some way with Adam Sandler. So that' kind of what they were explaining. But then Trisha and Oscar talked about it on the pod, and he was basically like, y' all are boring as fuck. So then he honestly. Essentially, he honestly went the shredded. He shredded them to filth. And I was kind of like, Oscar.

[Laura Lee]

Didn'T even take a breath. He was like.

[Manny MUA]

He's like, you guys have no talent. You have no fucking. Like, he literally basically went off on them being like, you guys didn't even deserve it because your guys's interview cadence is not even giving. So basically is what he said. And he shredded them. And just like, no, my favorite thing. Also my favorite thing about this clip, this episode, they're dressed as weapons.

[Laura Lee]

I know.

[Manny MUA]

I was. They were Gladys and the teacher, Oscar.

[Laura Lee]

Was the one in the wig going the hell off.

[Manny MUA]

I was like, the fact that you guys are dressed as weapons right now, it just made it ten times Better to me.

[Laura Lee]

So much better.

[Manny MUA]

Makes it just so much better. So much more camp. And then Trisha actually brought up the this like thing, this experience that happened years ago that barstool like had paid someone at barstool paid for Trisha's like of and they were watching it. It's like a video of them watching it and like they're laughing in Like BFF's effort, like watching. Yeah, they're watching the Trish's of barstools watching and laughing and then there's like someone in the background that goes like, like it's like oh my God. Yes. So it's literally like that video would honestly traumatize me. Like literally if that was me, I would be traumatized.

[Laura Lee]

I think that's really nasty.

[Manny MUA]

It's disgusting. So apparently like years ago I guess Brianna did apologize for it or whatever and she was like oh, that person always gags. That person always gags. And I'm like okay, well anyway, so it's kind of become this little like tit for tat situation where it's kind of like at first Oscar was just on his own battle.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah, Oscar and Trish won the battle. I'm going to tell you all that.

[Manny MUA]

The thing is I feel it's just so funny cuz I think cuz Oscar was just like talking like in his live in his like chat, you know, he's like, you know, I just don't. I think it's a genuine one of those things where it's like you're just talking to your people be like oh, I don't know how they got that.

[Laura Lee]

Like honestly sad they took it personal because like if someone live and was like that Manny and Lar should not get mean.

[Manny MUA]

I, if I was them I would think the same thing. So that's kind of why it feels tip for tat to me because I'm like if I was Brianna and Josh I'd be kind of like go yourself. Like in my mind I get what.

[Laura Lee]

Oscar was saying and I don't think he meant it as deep as they took it.

[Manny MUA]

No, that's exactly what it was. He was probably just in it. Like I'm saying he was in his.

[Laura Lee]

Chat off the cuff.

[Manny MUA]

They're just like oh, I don't know how they got that. Like that's kind of crazy.

[Laura Lee]

And then it got kind of blown up into this situation because their response was like they were hellfire fury. And then Oscar came back and was like well we have this actually you're.

[Manny MUA]

Boring as and you sucked at the interviews point blank. So the whole thing is like, it's literally just kind of like tip for tat tip or tat popcorn drama. Not anything like very serious. But I was watching and kind of like being like, oh. I kept going like oh, oh, oh shit.

[Laura Lee]

So okay, wait, I have another one. Another. Oh, this video I was sad for, but I didn't know what the video was gonna. I can't remember. I think she stitched.

[Manny MUA]

She did stitch because the woman in the beginning of the stitch was crazy looking.

[Laura Lee]

Okay, first of all, Michaela knew what she was.

[Manny MUA]

She knew exactly. She cuz that lady was looking. That's the one.

[Laura Lee]

I'm taking all my advice.

[Manny MUA]

She's like this, I'm like her.

[Laura Lee]

I trying to talk on Michaela. Girl, if you don't, if you don't.

[Manny MUA]

Shut the up right now, you're going to piss me off.

[Laura Lee]

But this is, this is why I'm so proud of my Kaylin. I have to say this because you know, there comes in time where you have to stand up for yourself. There comes a point in time, time. No, you cannot address every little thing. And yes, you have to let roll off your shoulders and yes, people are going to believe things about you that aren't true. And you have to eat that for lunch every day. Every day. That's part of being an influencer. But there comes a point where you do need to stand up for yourself. And I was so proud of Michaela because the whole shtick was they had a huge, you know, house welcome informing party for their new home. There was alcohol at the party and find that people coming in hot, they come in hot at her for everything, first of all. But that is her relationship with Cody. And she even says in the video, yes, it's my fault because I brought this to social media. So like, yes, I take you're gonna have opinions about it, so I know, so I understand that. But the berating that she gets and the way she just stood up for herself and her man and their marriage and just chewed this woman up and down with facts and logic and was like, did you ever stop to think and like really laid it on thick? I just thought it was like one of the best videos Michaela did. And I'm like more of this Michaela because good for you.

[Manny MUA]

I was proud. I literally was like, for you.

[Laura Lee]

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[Laura Lee]

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[Manny MUA]

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[Laura Lee]

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[Manny MUA]

The reason that like this is even happening, by the way, is that Cody is like a recovering addict. So that is why it even became a thing in the first place. And that's why people are even saying things about Michaela.

[Laura Lee]

People just assume that Michaela's like, oh yeah, yeah, exactly. Like they just first off assume that she's like my husband. We're having Alcohol. Don't you think she has conversations with the man that she's married to?

[Manny MUA]

Exactly.

[Laura Lee]

That you're not in. Did that ever just like cross.

[Manny MUA]

It doesn't cross her mind. One time they just think, how dare she be so rude or so unthought.

[Laura Lee]

What a bad wife.

[Manny MUA]

That's literally what is. They literally make it seem like it's like justice for Cody. Free him. That's like without leaving was saying, oh, the crazy looking one. She literally was like justice for Cody. She literally was like, bitch. The mean, he can go if he wants to go. But like I really felt like when watching her video, all the points she made was just so valid and I thought it was just absolutely amazing. And at the end of the day, you guys, we're not part of anyone's recovery journey. We're not like you can see things happening when they want to show you things, but at the end of the day you do not know every nook and cranny of everyone's situation. You do not know what Michaela and Cody's relationship is like. So people like they, they can have thoughts and opinions because she's brought it online of course. But at the end of the day you don't know what's really going down.

[Laura Lee]

Behind for people, perception is reality. So the crumbs that they see the pictures, they see the 60 second videos, they assume that they've seen it all. They assume that because you told them some things, you've told them everything and that's all they have to go off of is the morsels that you give throughout your day. And most of the time that short form on TikTok. And so they assume they know everything about you. They assume they know how your day is is. They assume they know what the recovery process is and how horrible you've handled it, but they don't know anything.

[Manny MUA]

They have no idea what's actually happening.

[Laura Lee]

No idea. And, and people don't take a step back to go, oh my God, I saw three one minute videos of her this day. So Therefore I saw three minutes of her 24 hour day. No one stops and thinks of it like that. Or I saw two IG pictures so I technically know nothing about this person.

[Manny MUA]

Right?

[Laura Lee]

Perceptions, reality for people watching. But it's a really good idea idea and like a common sense thing to.

[Manny MUA]

Kind of go, just think common senselessly, like literally just be, just have some common sense. That's all I beg and ask for on with people online. It's just like literally have like just some thoughts like Literally just think, be active thinkers. Just be active thinkers. You don't have to just like turn your brain off and just follow the crowd. Like be actively thinking.

[Laura Lee]

There's also people out there who show the best relationship in the world. You don't know anything about the relationship.

[Manny MUA]

What they're going through, the gigs, behind the scenes, but they're like, we have to fake it for the camera so it could be complete. It can literally be anything.

[Laura Lee]

The point is you don't know. So anyone out there making videos talking about Cody should leave. Justice for Cody.

[Manny MUA]

Get the out of here. You're pissing me off. You're pissing me the off. Cuz I just know in my heart of hearts that Michaela's a good wife to him. I just know it. The fact that Michaela has stuck by him through like some of, you know, his like the worst times and she's still stuck by his side after all these years and is still fighting for him, going strong, doing the things, still uploading, still working so crazy. Like imagine the she's going, dealing with behind the scenes.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah.

[Manny MUA]

The fact that she's still going through it and like get, listen, no one's perfect at the end of the day. But the fact that she's doing that with him, it just shows leaps and bounds for her character.

[Laura Lee]

You know, blessing for someone to open up about their addiction story and for someone to share that, take that as like a blessing.

[Manny MUA]

Like how nice, how nice that is.

[Laura Lee]

For them to do that and stop abusing it.

[Manny MUA]

Exactly.

[Laura Lee]

Just stop abusing.

[Manny MUA]

And I also like that she was like, he doesn't have tick tock. So you guys trying to make videos and like be like, oh my God, let me, let me reach out to Cody. It's never gonna happen. You're never gonna reach him.

[Laura Lee]

First of all, you're the problem.

[Manny MUA]

You're a freak. You're pissing me off. Like, you're literally freaking me out. I was like, at the end of the day, like again, like she said, she's like, we're going strong and you're not gonna reach him. Sorry. Like, he doesn't even have tick tock. And it's because of people like you.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah.

[Manny MUA]

Who like perpetuate this crazy narrative of like, just for Cody.

[Laura Lee]

He needs help.

[Manny MUA]

He's a prisoner in that home.

[Laura Lee]

I was so happy when she popped off. I was like, give it to him, sister. Give it to him.

[Manny MUA]

It's funny cuz, like she like, I love, I love, love, love, love, love. When she like even I remember, even like the bronzer thing that had happened, she like popped off during that too. And I was really like, yes. I love when I see creators like defend themselves in ways. Cuz it's like, girl, what are you talking about?

[Laura Lee]

Popped off who? Jesse on Kathleen Lights podcast. Jesse on Kathleen Lights podcast. Kathleen has a podcast, baby. Jesse. Jesse said, holla on that.

[Manny MUA]

Oh my God.

[Laura Lee]

There's tea. There's tea. There's lore. There's a little clip. There's a clip Manny saw.

[Manny MUA]

Yeah, I got sent it, I got tagged in it. I got sent the clip a few times.

[Laura Lee]

Tell it. Tell us more.

[Manny MUA]

Oh my God. Okay, guys, so there's this clip floating around on Tik Tok and it's like Jesse smiles and Kathleen, they're talking on a podcast and she's basically saying like, oh, you know these, like, you dragged me to these influencer events and influencers are the worst, right? And. And she, Kathleen was like, well, say what you're talking about. Like what influencer? Like, what are you talking about? She's like, actually, so there's an event that happened. It was in Vegas with benefit and we went and talked. Or Manny and Jeffrey came up to you and talked to you and they just completely ignored me and they basically just said like that we made her feel like shit. That's what she said. And I was literally like, what the fuck? I was actually shocked.

[Laura Lee]

That had to be like eight years ago. No, Vegas.

[Manny MUA]

Maybe nine there, maybe even nine.

[Laura Lee]

Like, I mean, I think there was like overall.

[Manny MUA]

No, there's like literally like it was.

[Laura Lee]

Like a trip for the brow product.

[Manny MUA]

Yes.

[Laura Lee]

It launched, right?

[Manny MUA]

So imagine how many people were there. It was eight to nine years ago.

[Laura Lee]

If I remember correctly. It was like 150 people.

[Manny MUA]

100. It was a huge, huge, huge thing. And they, it's basically she was saying, she's like, oh, well, I feel like, like they ignored me. Which was weird because Manny had was like following me and was like a.

[Laura Lee]

Friendly with you.

[Manny MUA]

Friendly with me. And like was like, I love your content, which I have. And I have told her. I was like, I think your content's amazing. So I don't remember it that way. I'm gonna be so fudgeing honest and so fudgeing for real. I feel like if I was in that setting and how I would conduct myself, I would always say hi. No matter what, I'm always going to say hi to someone and keep it cordial and keep it cute, at least, bare minimum. But I feel like I'm actually really nice at these events and I always, like, say hi, and I always talk. Unless I'm, like, having a direct conversation about something, then I'm not going to be so, like, oh, by the way, I'm like, oh, I'm talking to you about something, so I'm not going to be fluttering around.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah.

[Manny MUA]

So to me, I don't remember it happening like that at all. I feel like I would definitely probably said hi. And I think it kept it really cute and kept it moving. But at the end of the day, like, if someone feels offended by something you did, I will always own it and always apologize for how someone feels. So I'm like, I'm so sorry. Like, I didn't ever mean. Someone took, like, to feel like that in an interaction with me. So it just, like, sucks that, like, that was her depression, you know? Like, I don't like that.

[Laura Lee]

I think she hung on to it. I mean, it's been eight, nine years, so, I mean, so it's like.

[Manny MUA]

It's one of those things where it's like. Like, she literally held on to this one experience for this long that I'm like, oh, damn, that is that.

[Laura Lee]

That's your impression she did was like, not my Judy.

[Manny MUA]

Kathleen was like, not too much. I'm Annie now.

[Laura Lee]

And I literally was like, kathleen, how you're back, girl?

[Manny MUA]

Because I think that Kathleen. Because I've been with Kathleen in so many settings in so many situations, and she knows how I am.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah.

[Manny MUA]

And at the end of the day, you guys, what we have to remember, too, is, like, what if, like, I was having a bad day? What if, like, I was just, like, not in the zone? Like, there's so many situations that could happen. I always give people grace in situations. Like, like, I'm never gonna go based off of just, like, one little thing that could have happened potentially. Cause I'm like, oh, well, people could have, like, gone through the gigs, but Kathleen was literally, like, like, no, Manny's very sweet. Manny's very nice. And obviously, Jesse was like, to you. He is, because you're a big creator. But it wasn't even just about that.

[Laura Lee]

You weren't nice to her because she's not as big as a creator as Kevin.

[Manny MUA]

Yes, she's. And that's kind of what she was implying. But I'm like, so then why would I have ever told you that I liked your content?

[Laura Lee]

Right.

[Manny MUA]

That wasn't it for me. So I just. It sucks. And it's unfortunate that that was her impression.

[Laura Lee]

And I know it sucked to watch that. I know there's no world where, like, yeah, her girl, like, I know that that wasn't the case, but she carried that with her for that many years.

[Manny MUA]

That's what sucks.

[Laura Lee]

That's what sucks.

[Manny MUA]

I'm like, that's your impression. That's your impression of me. That's what's, like, stuck on, like, yeah, it sucks that that was the case. But again, like, it could have been these things where because the event was 150 people, I could have been absolutely overwhelmed too.

[Laura Lee]

100.

[Manny MUA]

I could have been absolutely going through the gigs mentally and, like, not even realize it. But I always pride myself on being sweet in these interactions. Like, I really do. I always feel like I'm very sweet and, like, myself across, like, in a kind way. And I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. I try to, like, be like, hi, how are you? I might not be able to kick you with everyone. And I think that's where I get, like, caught up. And I'm gonna be so real with it. I get caught up in the Kiki and I'm like, I think that people, they see me online. This is not. This is not even about Jesse, by the way. This is literally just an overarching thing because it's been something that's been a reoccurring thing in my, like, trajectory as a creator. I think people see me online. They think, oh, my God, this is like my.

[Laura Lee]

They see us kicking.

[Manny MUA]

They see us kicking. They see us like in real life.

[Laura Lee]

They see us in real life. Kiki.

[Manny MUA]

And I think that people expect me to get.

[Laura Lee]

Give them that 30 minute conversation.

[Manny MUA]

Yes.

[Laura Lee]

That private Kiki, that. Oh, my God, it's messy, man. And give me all the tea in your life. But it's like, not appropriate. And you're not besties with everyone. I'm not.

[Manny MUA]

And I think that people.

[Laura Lee]

But you're a really great friend and great like me.

[Manny MUA]

And I feel like. And I'm a. And I feel like I'm a great even acquaintance.

[Laura Lee]

Just because we're not best friends with everyone. Which, by the way, that would be a problem in itself.

[Manny MUA]

That'd be a problem, babe. I can't. I can't. I can't actually. And I think that's the thing too, is like, I'd say if I'm an. An event, I actually don't want to have 30 minute conversations with anyone.

[Laura Lee]

No.

[Manny MUA]

I don't be so good with you.

[Laura Lee]

I don't either at all. Especially if I don't want to talk to you. I'm going to be so for Real to hear your story and talk to you. But it's like if I'm at an event, it's amazing.

[Manny MUA]

I actually genuinely am there, like in a working setting. I'm there to network. I'm there to be in a working environment. I'm not trying to actually have a deep heart to heart in any way, shape or form at events. And I think that people kind of want that from me and I think that people expect that from me because they see how I am online and I'm like, I'm so sorry, I'm just going to tell everyone now in the world, I'm not going to give that to you at events. I'm just not going to be that girl. And I don't think I'll ever be that girl with anyone. Only like my good friends like that.

[Laura Lee]

I would never expect to have a 30 minute conversation with you. I mean, you're on the clock.

[Manny MUA]

But we're, but we're clocked in because.

[Laura Lee]

Let me tell you something, we're working when we want to have those 30 minute conversations or those deep dives, those are fun times.

[Manny MUA]

We're going to dinners.

[Laura Lee]

Those are our dinners. Those are our moments outside. Off the clock. We are off the clock. When we're on the clock, it ain't happening.

[Manny MUA]

No. And the thing is, and I think that people forget that that is what it is too. Like, because you're just going like, oh my God. It's an event, like, oh my God. But I'm like, I'm there to mix and mingle with the brand. I want to make connections. I want to be able to say hello to everyone and I actually want to say hello to everyone to have a cute interaction. I just don't think that I can have these really deep, thoughtful conversations with every single person there. I don't, I don't have the energy for it anymore. And I think that like, you know, it comes to this point where like I would go to the events and I tried to do that. Like I've tried to do that thing where I was like, I'm really having these, like, how are you? Tell me. Everything happened to you at events and I come home extremely drained and I feel so unwell and so sick inside that I'm like, I think I'm actually giving too much.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah, you quit sacrificing.

[Manny MUA]

Quit sacrificing my energy. And I, I started creating this, I imagine this thing. I heard this once and I started doing it where I imagined like this, like an energy shield around me and I Feel like it's kind of helped in, like, a weird way because I think that I was giving you. Imagine like this little white light or this ball of energy around you. And you don't. When you having that, you're not giving away your energy and people are taking from you. You're actually protecting yourself and you're. And you're giving interactions, but you're not g. Giving all this energy. You're not just pouring yourself into someone else's cup. You're keeping your cup full. And I think that's really, really important. It's something I learned.

[Laura Lee]

Taylor Swift, she just. I know fans. I don't.

[Manny MUA]

I don't know what she said.

[Laura Lee]

I don't quote Taylor Swift very often. Okay. Like, I am not.

[Manny MUA]

What was the quote? Yeah, pull up the quote.

[Laura Lee]

I'm going to pull the quote. But it's exactly.

[Manny MUA]

It's kind of what I'm saying. And it's just like an overarching thing. And I think that people expect me.

[Laura Lee]

But anyways, her point was you should look at your energy as a luxury. And not everyone can afford that luxury.

[Manny MUA]

I like.

[Laura Lee]

It's just. There's only so much energy to give.

[Manny MUA]

100. And I think that's what some. I've fallen to. This is not the first time that someone has been like, oh, I feel like I didn't get, like, the best version of Manny.

[Laura Lee]

And I think that it's happened to me before too.

[Manny MUA]

Totally. And I think it's just one of those events.

[Laura Lee]

You're gonna get it eventually.

[Manny MUA]

You're gonna get it.

[Laura Lee]

Especially, honestly, if you're a bigger creator. Because people do want that connection in that moment because they want you and they're excited.

[Manny MUA]

Totally.

[Laura Lee]

And when they don't get with that, sometimes it does turn out to be negative. And it's never the intention.

[Manny MUA]

And we don't want that at all.

[Laura Lee]

Ever want that.

[Manny MUA]

Okay.

[Laura Lee]

But we're also not perfect.

[Manny MUA]

Yeah. And I was like, I never want any. That's why I always feel like I actually. Genuinely nice. And we'll say hi and I'll hug. And I would be like a quick little Kiki. And I'm. I'm going to keep it pushing because I do feel like it's a work environment. And I don't want to have these deep dives with every single person they meet because energetically, I just can't really do it anymore. Like, I'm going to be so fucking for real. I just can't.

[Laura Lee]

Two and a half months.

[Manny MUA]

I don't have it.

[Laura Lee]

Of going to any social function I did, I just took. I just don't have any months off and because I don't have it in me.

[Manny MUA]

But it doesn't mean I don't feel bad. Like, I do feel like it sucks that it happened and I do. It just sucks. And I, I hate that it made her feel less than. I don't like that. I don't want her to feel like that at all in any way, shape or form. I don't want anyone to feel like that when they meet me. I want them to feel happy and excited and like, just have a cool little interaction in a moment, take photos and make little things, whatever. And then we just keep it pushing. But that's what I feel like events always is for me. It's not like a deep dive.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah.

[Manny MUA]

And I can't give it, like, I'm sorry. And I think that people accept that for me, but I, I really can't give that. If I'm going to an event for an hour, I can't have a 30 minute conversation with one person. I'm going there to mix and mingle with everyone there, Talk to the brand, talk about the launch. I really want to be there in.

[Laura Lee]

A work environment too. It's not personal.

[Manny MUA]

It's not personal. I also won't say bye to anyone.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah.

[Manny MUA]

I'm not saying bye to a single soul when I leave other than like I was and we're always leaving together. So it's like, I'm not saying bye to anyone. I'm literally just like, I have to get in.

[Laura Lee]

People love to do the thing to us too. They're like, what are you, where are you going after this? We're both like, home, home.

[Manny MUA]

Like this home.

[Laura Lee]

Oh, you're not going to get a drink? No.

[Manny MUA]

You're not gonna go with us to the club?

[Laura Lee]

No, no, no. We're not hanging out. We're not. Hey, this is a work thing. We're going home.

[Manny MUA]

Yeah. And I think that also, it's helped, like, also I think honestly post 2018 helped in a way where it's like, it has like being a creator is like, obviously it's who I am, but it's also my job. Like, it's actually like my full time job. It everything. It's not my whole life anymore. And I think that's also why I would be even more inundated with things. Why I would be so drained energetically and why I was so like, like constantly inundated at the time. Because I was literally thinking that's what I had to do.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah.

[Manny MUA]

But then I'm like, no, I. I. Not only do I know I have to, I just can't be like, I can't be that person. So it sucks. And I'm sorry that that happened. Like, it really is unfortunate and I hate that she felt like that. But at the end of the day, I don't remember it that way and it just sucks that that's how it happened.

[Laura Lee]

Well, our next and last topic is D and Nick from Love Island.

[Manny MUA]

It's the battles.

[Laura Lee]

The battles.

[Manny MUA]

No, I never. I literally. It's so, it's so funny because Dallas, I post on his stories and he like said a statement about. And I was literally, I responded to it. I was like, girl, what are you talking about? And he's like, bitch, go to TikTok. And I was like, oh. So I go and I look at TikTok, he's like, bitch, go grandfather, go to TikTok. And I'm like, you're right, grandchildren. So I was like, yes, yes, yes, child. So I went and got look. And so, yeah, Dallas had like uploaded a video. Video. So basically what happened is that they were at actually a rare beauty event for like the fragrance and a lot of the Love island girlies were there. And apparently Nick had called Dallas James multiple times and he was like, my name's not James, my name's Dallas. And he kept like, I guess repeatedly doing it and then would like giggle with his friends.

[Laura Lee]

Oh, no.

[Manny MUA]

Yeah. So he was just like, giggle with them or whatever. So Dallas. So in Dallas's mind, he's literally like, what the is going. It almost felt like hate, like in a weird way.

[Laura Lee]

Intentional.

[Manny MUA]

Intentional. He didn't like that. Picking on him.

[Laura Lee]

Yes.

[Manny MUA]

So it's like, you know, and it's tough too because Dallas and a lot, I'm sure a lot of femme boys deal with this. Like they have a different. It just tougher. A femme boy who's fully glam that is more feminine is going to get a little bit weirder of looks, going to weird things from straight men. And that's just like what it is. Like, it's just point blank. It is what it is. There's going to be a little more like, what the fuck is going on over here? Like guys will do that to. To femme boys.

[Laura Lee]

Straight guys.

[Manny MUA]

Straight guys. And it's like if they're wearing nails, lashes and kind of like, look at that freak, they will do that. And that's just what it is. So of course more femme boys will be a Little bit more on their guard in that situation and they're going to think like, well what the fuck else is this? Not hate. Like you're literally like it felt like to doubt like picking on him. So he basically called him out and was literally like this bitch and like made a little tirade about it. And Dallas kind of owned it was like, you know what, I shouldn't have said those things. I shouldn't have been like so intense in the moment. But I don't feel like I looked at James like I, it just felt like to me and he explained himself and explained exactly how it went down and I'm sure, sure. I don't know, I feel like there's a. I don't think that Nick was like trying to be hateful in some way. But Dallas could have easily perceived it that way, which makes sense.

[Laura Lee]

Well, why call someone who they're not. That's not funny.

[Manny MUA]

Multiple times.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah, that's rude.

[Manny MUA]

Multiple times.

[Laura Lee]

I don't think maybe Nick knew the gravity. Exactly.

[Manny MUA]

I think that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

[Laura Lee]

Like his intention wasn't like to make.

[Manny MUA]

Him, to hurt his feelings and make.

[Laura Lee]

Him go home angry.

[Manny MUA]

That's the case.

[Laura Lee]

But I mean that's why you don't do call someone, someone's name like that and multiple times like that. That's why you don't do that especially.

[Manny MUA]

Like because James too like he is like the. One of the biggest beauty creators in the world. Like it's James Charles for goodness sakes. Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah, and he's a, and he's a femme boy presenting boy when he's glam.

[Laura Lee]

So it's kind of like he is the biggest.

[Manny MUA]

He's the biggest.

[Laura Lee]

Of course boys in beauty. I would say James Charles is by far.

[Manny MUA]

Absolutely. So it's like it people that might not know of like other beauty boys in the space, they're going to be like James Charles.

[Laura Lee]

Well, even if it wasn't a gay guy, like if another dark haired girl that was big online and they kept calling telling me that that's disrespectful.

[Manny MUA]

Like what the.

[Laura Lee]

Oh, I'd clock you right there.

[Manny MUA]

Exactly. And he did. So that's why it would be annoying as.

[Laura Lee]

Because he's like, I totally understand why it's annoying.

[Manny MUA]

I would be annoyed too. I'd be like, what the. Yeah, I may be like people have been like Patrick Star, is that you to me? And I'm like now girly, girly, what are you Talking about they literally just who they can think of in the beauty space. That's like, let's say a boy or like, let's say even a girl. Like, what do I be like? Oh, are you blank? Whatever they can feel like they can find common ground on, they're going to just say it. And in their mind, they were like, oh, no, Patrick, be way. That might be him, but it's like, no, it's not. And so it isn't the thing where it's like, what are you talking about? And I would be annoyed if I was D too.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah.

[Manny MUA]

But he was like, okay, I apologize for being so crazy on the video. He was like, I. I didn't mean.

[Laura Lee]

To go too hard.

[Manny MUA]

I popped off hard. I called him all these things I said. He was like. He said. I think he was like this, like, loser. He's like, this is what you guys like now? Like, he went in and I was kind of like gagging. But he was pissed.

[Laura Lee]

Yeah.

[Manny MUA]

Because he literally made the video. I think from the. By the way, he was at the.

[Laura Lee]

Event making the video, said no time to. He's like, oh. He said, we have tea. We have a viral TikTok here. We literally. The young ones move quick.

[Manny MUA]

They move quick.

[Laura Lee]

They move quickly.

[Manny MUA]

And you know, like, especially like, you know, a lot of them have alt accounts, so they like giving their real opinions. So it's like a little bit like, I'm going to get you together. But yeah, if I was us, I'd be pissed too, Honestly.

[Laura Lee]

Well, that was our last topic for this rapid fire. I hope you guys enjoyed it. You guys, don't forget to check out Mandy's new bronzer sticks. Yes. Use code laurali.

[Manny MUA]

Yes. Yes, yes, yes. You guys, they are sickening boots. I'll leave a link.

[Laura Lee]

We'll see you in the next episode.

[Manny MUA]

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