Sometimes our biggest mistakes become our greatest teachers. For singer and performer Loomis, a nervous National Anthem performance that went viral became the catalyst for a conversation about resilience, vulnerability, and refusing to let one moment...
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Did you see my national anthem?
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It's the one that went viral. Caught everyone off guard. Can I go back?
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Can I go back, please? I got too nervous. I had a day before to practice something that I've always been scared to do. It's like my biggest fear. So they stopped me in the middle and I was already nervous. So when I started, I started at a higher. Like it wasn't Jo, it was Jo. And then I It up off the it up. Could I go back? No. We live. But I didn't know we was live because.
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Cuz they told you to stop the first.
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He stopped me in the first place.
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I don't know if my dad wants to be telling this story, but the great Rev Run. He still gets nervous when he goes on stages. I've seen him pacing back and forth. I've seen him getting nervous.
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Thank you for telling me that. That means everything to me.
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I've watched my father get nervous.
B
Everybody get nervous. Am I a loser?
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Can you walk us through what happened that day from your perspective?
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I'm gonna do you even better, sir.
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Okay.
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I'm gonna tell you a day before what happens to me so you can understand.
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All right. I would love to understand. What's up, everybody? It's your guy, JoJo Simmons. And welcome to the Four Good Podcasts, where we focus on the good, never the bad, where we're measured by what we do, not what we have. Today, I'm sitting down with Loomis, an artist, performer, and creative force who's built a career with heart, hustle, and a willingness to be fully herself, whether it's on stage or online. She shows up with honesty and originality. And like many of us, she's had to navigate what it means to keep going when things don't go as planned. As someone who grew up in the public eye, I know what it's like to have your missteps put on display. But I also know that those moments don't define us. This episode is about the courage to keep showing up, to learn in real time and to reclaim your own story. Let's get into it, guys. Loomis, thank you for coming on the For Good podcast. I appreciate you more than you know. I know it's hard to come on these, you know, interviews and talk about all the things that people probably want to speak to you about. But I think it's very inspirational for you to come here and be vulnerable. So I appreciate you, Loomis.
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Thank you for having me.
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All right, let's jump into it. So for people just meeting you for the first time, who is Loomis and how do you describe what you do?
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Loomis is my last name and they call me that because I was in boot camp because I was a little bit of a lonely troublemaker when I was little. And what Loomis does is she. She brings soul velvetiness and energy and vibes to everywhere that she go. And when I say she, I'm talking about me. And I've been through a lot of things and God gave me the voice and the look and the story to be able to help people. So that's mainly what it is.
C
I love that you're a multi hyphenate singer, performer, creator. How did you first start performing and putting yourself out there? Like, when did it all start for you?
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The. Well, when I was a little girl, me and my homegirls used to always have a girl group. And so I grew up just singing with my friends. And then it just. My friends would tell people about me. And then little by little, I just started working with people and people just started telling me about my voice and this, that, this and that and the third. But then I got in a really abusive relationship when I was 16 and all the way to a later age. I ain't gonna say, because girl never tell her age was a lot of years and I didn't get to do all the things I wanted to do. So when I left that really abusive relationship, I said, what I'm gonna do, what I love to do, I love to sing. Who do I like? I hit up everybody. I left and they hit me back. I couldn't believe it and I showed it to the studio and then I sang and God just blessed me with so many great things to do. So, I mean, it's a lot to say, but that's.
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I love that. No, but I love that you took your. Your pain and everything and said, you know, you're not going to soak in it, but you're going to find what you love to do and find that happiness in what you love to do. So I think that's special and I think that's needed in today's world of instead of soaking in what you're going through. Finding something to keep you through it, you know, So I love that.
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Yes. And creating is my most favorite thing.
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You said creating is your most favorite thing. Mm, I love it.
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I love to create outfits. I love to create all different stuff. Creating. Nothing's funner than that. Going to no club, going to no movie. No. Nothing's funner this than putting a second verse on a song and then doing the ad libs.
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I agree. I think nothing is greater than creating. That's why even with this podcast, in the production company that I co founded, three is for where we're just a creative studio. I think there's nothing greater than being a creative, and there's nothing greater than waking up every morning and wanting to create. I mean, it's the most special feeling in the world to me. So performing for you, it takes a lot of vulnerability. Have you always felt comfortable being seen, or is that something you had to grow into over time?
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JoJo, I've never grown into it. Even today, every time I go on stage, before I go on, I'm so nervous. But guess what? When I get up there, guess what? I just go up and I go. No matter how scared I am, even if I want to leave. I remember the first time I had performed to 40,000 people. I was in my head making up reasons why I was sick, and I had to go, and I don't. I wanted to leave so bad, but guess what? I didn't leave, and I just kept going. And then when I got off, everybody loved me. And the feeling that I felt was so much better than the feeling that I felt before going on. Yeah, I always knew it. So every time I'll feel scared, I remember, all you gotta do is two minutes. Or sometimes all you got to do is 30 minutes, get up there, and that's all you got to do.
C
Yeah. But it's all about overcoming your fears. Like, you basically just told a story of you'll never know what's on the other side if you don't start going. Right. You'll never know what's on the other side if you don't do it. And the feeling for you is dope. It's like, yeah, before I get on, I'm nervous, but when I come off, I'm confident. I'm empowered. Right. So that's the best part about, you know, what's gonna be on the other side.
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And everybody run up to me and they give me a hug, and everybody wants to take a picture or whatever. But before that, they don't even know. I don't even want to go. I was so scared. And then sometimes I be. I always be making my outfits, and they'd be a little crazy or whatever, and I don't know if people be ready for it or whatever so that I'll be nervous or whatever, but I just do it because I love it. And I just think in my head, well, if I love it, there's gonna be some other fabulous girl that love it.
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Exactly.
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She's gonna see me, she's gonna say, how fabulous? And then she's gonna want to be fabulous, too, because I was fabulous and she's fabulous. But she was scared how I was scared. And then that's what I be thinking.
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I love it. I mean, I love that you face your fears. And you know what it is? I don't know if my dad wants me telling this story, but the Great Rev Run. He still gets nervous when he goes on stages. I've seen him pacing back and forth. I've seen him get nervous.
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Thank you for telling me that. That means everything to me.
C
I've watched my father get nervous.
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Everybody get nervous. Am I a loser? But I love it so much.
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I've been nervous. My brother Dig has been nervous. We all. All great performers and creatives are nervous because we just want it to come out perfect. And, you know, we want to. You know, we just want to make sure it all comes out the way we envisioned. And it always does. So that's the greatest part about it.
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And did you see my national anthem?
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We're about to get into that moment. Speaking about that moment and not being fearful of just going and doing it. I want to talk about that moment. So the one that went viral and caught everyone off guard. I got you. It's the one that went viral, caught everyone off guard. Can you walk us through what happened that day from your perspective?
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I'mma do you even better, sir.
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Okay.
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I'm going to tell you a day before what happened to me so you can understand my.
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All right. I would love to understand.
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Okay, so what happened was. So I never wanted to ever sing the national anthem, right? Because, like, whoever wants to stand in front of people that are serious when you're trying to sing. Not me. And who wants to sing other people's song? That's boring. Not me. It's boring. It's like, oh, but I love. I love America. I'm the daughter of a. Of a veteran, so I was like, I got to do it. But it's just a weird performance. So to be honest, I never wanted to do it. Because I was scared. So they called me two days before. Who. Who was the daughter that I had to replace? What was her name? Jesse Jackson's daughter. I had to replace her. She called me the next morning. She can't make it. You got to do it. Scared. You should have saw me. I was like, no, no, I don't. And they were like, yeah, you do. And I was like, but no, I don't. I had a day before to practice something that I've always been scared to do. It's like my biggest fear when it comes to singing. And so I practiced the day before I showed up for the event. Whatever. I walk in my outfit is giving. Balmain is giving. Cute is giving. Yes. You know what I'm saying? And so I was like, period. So I walked in. They essentially, I started. The guides walked me through what I was supposed to do. I get up there, I start singing. I'm giving all that needs to be gave. Okay, I'm osaken you. And I went to lower notes. I'm doing what I'm supposed to do. They took my song. Stop what I do. What? There's a video on my Instagram. Anybody want to see it? Originally, what happened? Because I finally posted it. So they stopped me in the middle, and I was already nervous. So when I started, I started at a higher. Like, it wasn't O. Say it was Jose, can you. I was higher when I got there. It wasn't that no more. I had to go all the way. And it was higher and I wasn't ready. And then I it up. I it up. Could I go back? No, we live. But I didn't know we was live.
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Because they told you to stop the first place.
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He stopped me in the first place. What's over? Only we held at the twilight last. Whose?
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Oh, one more time.
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So then I it up.
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So you thinking like, oh, this is a comfortable situation. I can. If they stop me now, then I can clearly stop here because maybe we're not live. But so. But.
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But it was a bunch.
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It was a bunch in front of people, though, right?
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Yes. The funniest part is, is when I walked off, you should see my face. It's really hilarious. And then I walked up stomping because I knew I had it up. And then I ran outside and I started crying really hard because, you know, that morning, my mom and my grandma have just most recently passed away. And I was. That I was really scared to do the national anthem that morning. So I looked to them and I said, because I love butterflies, and I always told them if they're going to be butterflies. And so that morning, butterflies started twirling around me, and I was like, oh, my gosh, Y' all showing up for me or whatever. So when I messed it up, I looked at them like, y' all always playing with me, bro. I was like. But then it was greater. And you know how great it is, how great God is. If I would have did it perfect, nobody would ever knew. But you know how great he is. He showed my personality because I always trying to be perfect. I always trying to. But I'm not perfect. I'm just a little dork girl from out of Poima. Just. It was a really vulnerable moment. It was great because I got to reach a lot of people who maybe felt what I. So many great people reached out to me. And, yeah, I had a couple negative comments, and then I dealt with them. But I'm just playing everybody I love.
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Listen, let me tell you something. I love your energy. I just want you to know that what I. What I sense from you is I don't sense somebody that was. Was shattered by this. I sense somebody that still shows up every day. No matter. No matter how you feel on the inside, you. You always gonna. It looks like to me on the outside, you're always gonna show confidence, and you're always gonna show that, like, yeah, I messed up, but that won't define you. So I love that. And as I speak about that, when something like that happens in the public. Right. People think that you could be defined by it. How did you reclaim your narrative? And obviously, I'm starting to see you reclaim your narrative. Just bad. I cannot go see the word.
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The thing is, I never had claim anything.
C
Huh?
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I always made my outfits, and I always show up, and I. I don't have to worry about that. God is so great that I didn't. When. When. So Raspy called me, and I don't know if anybody knows who's raspberry B2K raspy. Exactly.
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Okay. Come on.
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I love him. I love you, Raspberry. I love you, brother. So he called me. He's like, you know you're going viral, right? I was like, no, it's. I was so embarrassed. I didn't even know what to do. But then. And then everybody's writing me weird stuff, and then TMZ was trying to catch me, and then I drank two SO Juice because I was scared of my interview. And then I was a little faded, but don't judge me. But it was just so much fun. And I didn't care because it was fun. It really hurt, though, because I've been out here in these streets and I've been making my outfits and I really been putting on for proclaimment. I really been that girl. And then for. For me to go viral for something so embarrassing really kind of hurt my feelings because it just sucks. Beyonce, she could have a whole perfect show. Ain't nobody gonna show that she falls, her hair gets caught in the wind. That's viral. It's not nice that we all look at each other like that and only mean or bad things go viral. Because when I was a little girl, I used to watch the news and ask my grandma, like, why isn't there a nice news? Like, we could watch all nice stuff happen to people.
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People love to see mistakes because nobody's perfect. And I think it helps humanize people and make you more relatable when they're like, oh, I probably would have did that, too. But it feels better to kind of make fun of that person or shun that person, because some people just feel better doing that, knowing that they don't know what they would have done in your situation. But what I do love about you is I can tell that it hurts you, but you're not going to let it define you, and you're going to keep on pushing. And this was an opportunity for the world to learn Loomis. Although through a mistake, you can turn that mistake into more fans, you know, like I'm sure you have done. You have a great voice and a great energy. So I don't.
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So many people is like, I came for the national anthem. I stayed for you. And listen, could I tell you something that's so cool that nobody realizes it? But, like, I don't know. I'm just. I'm really grateful because it showed me that there's way more good people in the world than there is bad people. I got way more good comments than bad. And people always think everybody's so bad, but there's so much good people and so much love in the world, and then we just.
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Nobody wants to see anybody hurt. Nobody wants to see anybody down. I mean, yes, there are some. There are some.
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We're all hurting.
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We're all hurting. And we're all. We can all use a little bit of love. We could all use a little bit of support. We could all use a little bit of encouragement. You know what I mean? And a little. You know, we can use a little bit of all of that. Let me ask you A question, though. Have you had your redemption moment? Has there been a performance, a comment that you may. May have seen from some people or a feeling that made you feel like you had that redemption moment and that that other mistake doesn't really drown out everything else.
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If anybody goes to my page and you hear my song Trouble, that's already a redemption, that's the story of my life. And you see it right there. My little pink pants on my orange sweater or whatever. But on top of that, everyone kept saying, well, post it. If you was doing it perfect before post it, you lying. They didn't. And I. I did post it the other day, and you could clearly hear that I was giving all that needs to be gay. And I was even surprised with myself because I hate that song. And I was nervous and my little knees were shaking. They was like. But I was scared.
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Well, so I think it's safe to say tell everybody to check out your song because that's your redemption song, your redemption moment. Please repeat the name of that song again so people know.
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It's called Trouble. It's on my page. But if you really want to hear it song, you can go type in Wade and W8I N. Well, just put Wade in with an 8. It's been a night. Don't judge me.
C
Okay, so good. Make sure y' all stream that. So did that experience with the national anthem, did it make you fall more in love with your craft to go harder, or did it make you want to step away for a little bit? What was the feeling after that happened?
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Both. Both. I still want to walk.
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Mixed emotions right now.
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I'm still super discouraged even though I shouldn't be in. God is great. He making me plant seeds, but I feel like I'm not planting seeds. And I feel really discouraged even now.
C
Why do you feel discouraged even now? I mean, you seem pretty confident.
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Well, because the Internet, you can't.
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You can't pay attention to the Internet here.
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It's really hard because I'm not a content maker. I'm not a. Hi, guys. Look what I'm wearing. Get ready with me. When I'm having fun, I don't even think to record myself. I just think about having fun with or doing fun stuff. And can I tell you a secret? God has blessed me. When I was a little girl, I had freaking. I had nothing. Do you understand? I used to have to beg for little tickets in. In. In. In the second period home room. Are you going to use your breakfast ticket? Are you going to use your breakfast ticket? I Didn't even have tickets. I used to come to my friend's house and I used to look at how beautiful their house was. And I didn't even have a mom. I. You made me cry. I. I used to.
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I don't want you to cry. But I appreciate your vulnerability.
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No, because I used to look at. Come in and say, I wish that my house was this nice. I wish my mom treated me like that. You think I want to post online? Look what I have. Look, I don't want to make anybody ever feel bad, like, trying to show off or like anything like that. Like, that's a messed up thing to feel.
C
So that's why you feel like you can't be a content creator, because you don't want to show people. You don't want to make it seem like you're rubbing.
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I'm not a show off.
C
Right, right. You were telling me how you still have moments where you want to walk away because the Internet and people and things like that. And to tell you, from my experience, I've been pretty well known my whole life. I made a lot of public mistakes, and the Internet used to do the same thing to me. It used to make me feel like they controlled everything. It used to make me feel like I couldn't take back my narrative. It used to make me feel like, you know, it used to just make me feel super discouraged. You know, sometimes the words that people say almost feel super real to you. And, like, it's you, but it's not you. And I want to tell you that as advice. Me being in the spotlight a long time, you can't listen to people that don't know you. None of these people on the Internet know you. They're just saying stuff from wherever they're from and they're being judgmental from wherever they're from. But I always say nine times out of ten, if you walked in a room with those same people talking about you, you'd walk out the room and that person would probably love you. So you can't let the people that don't know you control you.
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When somebody's mean to me, I always be nice to them. And then they, nine times out of 10, they always follow me back. That's why I say people are nicer than people know.
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All the time. I hear it all the time. I hear it's right.
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Something like, you don't have to be mean to me. I made a mistake, but I didn't mean to. And thank you for coming on my page or whatever.
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I hear it all the time. And then they'll be like, listen all the time. I hear, oh, man, Kel McCartness, baby, you're such a. You're such. You're so much more different than I thought you'd be in person. But it's like people got to stop prejudging people off of what they see and off of what other people tell them. You gotta. You gotta experience me for yourself. I always tell people. You know what I mean?
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And I'm an experienced baby.
C
Speaking about my upbringing and your, you know, my past mistakes. Your past mistakes? I've always felt like because of that, I've always had to prove myself again and again and again after messing up. Have you ever felt the pressure to overcompensate after a mistake?
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Yes. After I messed up the national anthem, they're like, yeah, come down now and sing it at the White House.
C
Wow. And why do you think they asked. Why do you think. Why do you think they asked you that after. After the mistake? Do you think they were trying to give you a redemption moment?
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Yeah, they did. They were trying. But I was scared. But I was still scared.
C
But you did it.
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I was even scareder because now I had already it up and then now I gotta do it again.
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It's okay. That was another chance and you killed it.
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And guess what? And that day there was telling us stuff about all the bad, horrible stuff going on in Ethiopia. So then I got to try to talk and speak with the people, so it was even stronger and better than what I went through. And I always asked God if he could use me or if I could ever help.
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He is using you. Do you understand? God is using you right now. You just told me that you messed up the national anthem and the White House told you, hey, come redeem yourself and come do it here. You can't tell me God isn't using you. Let me tell you something. God is not always going to give you things the way you envision it, but he's going to give you things the way he's supposed to give it to you. So, Loomis, maybe people didn't know who you were. You made that mistake, more people learned who you are, and then the White House was on your line. It's nothing but an inspirational story. It's nothing but a blessing. It's nothing but somebody, although scared. And I speak about this all the time, showing up and just doing it.
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But I make that. I make it happen. Captain.
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Gotta make. Listen, you make it happen.
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I'm a little backwood And I make it happen.
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There you go. Shout out to Backwoods. By the way, a three is for client. Shameless plug. So I want that. You know, we're wrapping up. You know, I gotta get you. I gotta, you know, get you blessed by them. Those are the peoples over there. That's the family right there. The Backwood family. So anything I could do to link you with them, I'll try to do that, but I got a few more questions.
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Talk to me.
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I want to talk about. At this point in your life and in your career, what do you want people to know about you? Beyond the moment, beyond the clip, beyond the headlines. Like, what do you want them to know about Loomis? Erase that mistake, but still give them.
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I want them to know that I literally gave birth with a black eye and I was in a horrible relationship since I was 16. I put myself in a group home. I never had no mom. All the moms from the hood raised me. I'm a lover. I love everybody. Anything he ever did for me. All my stories is so that I have a really cool concept to talk about when I make a song. And for I can help people and anything different about their life and thinking, oh, this, this, that, and the third. You ain't it. You're it. That's all I gotta say is you're it.
C
Question. So I love your energy. I love that. Like, you're very vulnerable. You cried, you laughed, you smiled. You did it. All this. This interview.
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And I look horrible.
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Are you. You don't look horrible. Are you big on mental health? What? What? What do you do for your mental health? I am big on somebody out there. If you can help somebody out there. What do you do for your mental health and what have you done lately for your mental health?
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I am. Affirmations are the best thing you do. Before I go to sleep, I listen to I am affirmations. Or whenever you feel really, really, really upset and you can't take anything going on around you, you just. You don't have to close your eyes. I want you to breathe in five, hold five, breathe out five, and hold five. And just keep doing that till you feel better, because it's all going to pass. And guess what? Us as humans, we can only feel things for like 15 minutes. Anything else is we respiral, respiraled and went back around.
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I love that.
B
15 minutes heaven.
C
I love how. I love how blunt you are.
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Love your 15 minutes and love God, because he loves you. And I promise he does. And that's what I got Is there.
C
Are there any books, movies, music that you've been inspired by lately that. That you may want to share with everybody?
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I will tell you my favorite, but I don't know if they. Oh, inspect. Let me see. One thing that was inspiring, that was weird is because I love sharks and I was watching the Shark Whisperer, but that's besides the point. I was really good with, but it was inspiring. Okay. The most inspiring thing I've ever seen for a girl like me or any girl that might be going through what I'm going through or went through is the Tina Turner story. Go watch you some Angela Bassett.
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I love that movie.
B
When she went to the what's Love.
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Got To Do with it is the name of the movie.
B
What's Love Got To Do? Got to Do It.
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That's my movie. I do like that movie. I grew up watching that movie. Shout out to Endless Bassett, Lawrence Fishburne, everybody. That. That. That killed they.
B
Rose came out to teach her how to play her. That. That's history. There ain't been history since that. Since Charlie Murphy.
C
It's safe to say you're inspired by the legends in. In the musical legends at that. So as we. As we wrap this up, can you let us know about any new projects or anything you have coming up? Anything upcoming that you can let the fans know, My people know. What is Loomis got coming up? What new songs, what new videos? What do you have cooking?
B
Well, I have a bunch of stuff, and I want to pull out my album, but I've been trying to, like, work on that. But I have a lot of great songs coming out. I have a song coming out called Queen. I have many songs coming out and I have songs from before. I'm just. I'm working. Just watch me work. How about that?
C
Cook up. Well, give us your Instagram, your Facebook, anything that people can find you on. Can you drop that right here for them?
B
Look for me. L O O M I S Official Lumis on Instagram. Don't forget the two O's. That ain't no U. And I'm on all the platforms, but my song waiting is beautiful. It's W8T I N G A. You gonna love it, I promise you. R B for baddies. They don't make R B like that no more, I promise you.
C
I'm gonna check it out. I'm big on R and B, Loomis, so I'm gonna check out. Wait, wait.
B
You should. And my song, cereal. I made that little cereal bra that you see in there.
C
Thank you. Loomis, I really do truly love your energy. I mean, when your name came across my desk and I saw your story, I was like, you know, I hope she's not down about it. Hope she comes in super confident and. And you are super confident. It seems like your story is an inspiring one. You came from not much, from what I hear. You didn't come from much love, but it looks like you have nothing but love to give people, so I just wanted to let you know. That's commendable. When you don't come from much love, you don't come from much, but you're willing to give it all right back into the people. So that's why you're blessed, Loomis. No matter your mistake, it doesn't define you. What defines you is what you wake up and do every day. And what you wake up and do every day is, like you said, be a bad B. I won't say the word.
B
But you want to. God's favorites. I could tell because I'm not even with you, and I never got to meet you in person, and you still feel my energy, and I could feel your energy, and I was able to be this way with you. So anybody watching, just know Jojo is really.
C
Thank you.
B
He's him. I'm just saying. Sorry.
C
I love that you're really so much.
B
Thank you for being so sweet to me. And they're making me show you this.
C
Okay. Oh, it's a big labo I need. Where'd you get that big one? Because my daughter will be upset if. If I don't. Oh, it's a mask.
B
Oh. Oh, yes. That's my company. It's called Labubu Live Events. So if anybody ever wants to book and have a labubu, come. And I have also some labubus if your daughter wants one.
C
Thank you. I'll have my team get in touch to get some labubus for my daughter. She definitely wants one. Thank you, Loomis, for coming on. Once again, you've been a pleasure to interview. You're a great person. I know that mistake means nothing. I know that this people will watch this interview and be inspired by your story and understand that even if in fear, you must go and do it. Show up and see what happens. Appreciate everybody. It's your guy, Jojo Simmons. Your girl, Loomis for Good podcast where we focus on the good, never the bad. Where we're measured by what we do, not what we have. Signing out. Peace. See you next time. Support for this podcast and the following message comes from America's Navy. The Navy offers new graduates hands on training and experience in careers like computer science, aviation and medicine, plus education and sign on bonuses. Parents help your grads start their career today@navy.com.
Host: Joseph “JoJo” Simmons
Guest: Loomis (artist, performer)
Date: August 19, 2025
In this heartfelt, candid episode of For Good, JoJo Simmons welcomes Loomis, a dynamic artist and creative force, for an in-depth conversation about vulnerability, public failure, resilience, and redemption. The episode centers on Loomis’s infamous viral national anthem mishap, her path through adversity—including surviving abuse and insecurity—and how she’s reclaimed her narrative to become a source of inspiration for others. The conversation is raw, humorous, full of soul, and delivers a powerful message: mistakes don’t define us—how we rise does.
Loomis recounts her national anthem incident:
She accepted an offer to sing the anthem last-minute, faced her greatest fear, and was stopped mid-song. Loomis describes the heartbreak and subsequent viral embarrassment.
Processing public mistakes:
Loomis opens up about crying afterward, feeling the presence of her late mom and grandmother through butterflies—a symbolic motif for comfort.
JoJo wraps with gratitude, underscoring the episode’s core message—that our worth and legacy are measured not by our most public mistakes, but by our daily courage to show up, create, and lead with love. Loomis’s story is a luminous reminder that resilience, authenticity, and joy can coexist with fear and imperfection—and that’s what truly inspires.
For Good Podcast
“Where we focus on the good, never the bad. Where we’re measured by what we do, not what we have.”